The Daily Zeitgeist - ACAB Includes Harvard, Oprah Too Late? 11.07.22

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

In episode 1367, Jack and Miles are joined by host of How To Do The Pot, Ellen Scanlon, to discuss… Harvard Study Perpetuates Pro Police Myths Popular Among the Wealthy, Oprah Urges Pennsylvania Not... To Vote For The Monster She Helped Create and more! Harvard Study Perpetuates Pro Police Myths Popular Among the Wealthy A Warning to Journalists About Elite Academia Oprah Urges Pennsylvania Not To Vote For The Monster She Helped Create Oprah Winfrey’s awkward statement on former protégé Dr Oz’s run for office Oprah’s long history with junk science How Oprah Helped Spread Anti-Vaccine Pseudoscience LISTEN: Clean Race by ScottySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:45 Wow. Just new thoughts coming in. New thoughts, man. Completely, you know, antithetical to all memories. Hey, Miles, it's Monday, November 7th, 2022. Yes. I don't know why I'm saying that like Blake Shelton, but is that the Jew's name from The Voice?
Starting point is 00:03:00 Blake Shelton. Yeah. Who was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, all right, man. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, Who was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, all right, man. I like that. November 7th, International Merlot Day. National Canine Lymphoma Awareness Day. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:13 And this is really specific. National Bittersweet Chocolate with Almonds Day. Yeah, I do know. I think that one was created by my mom. Shout out to my mom. She loves a good bittersweet chocolate with almonds. Oh, shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Okay, well, I love that. I love that. There must just be a strong group identity around that. Yeah, I'm just like canine lymphoma awareness day. Like, what? This is new, right? Because I feel like, what, in our parents' age, they're just like, yeah, I'm a vet? For what?
Starting point is 00:03:48 And then animals just, like, we have, like, huge growths. And they're like, oh, that's Lumpy's bump. He's fine. And they're like, it's a tumor. You know what I mean? And it's just funny how much with technology and, I guess, the ease of treatment now, we're like, oh, my. Because, like, right now, my dog got a heart murmur yeah before i remember growing up my dog probably had so much wrong with it but back then it was like i spent fucking 300 bucks right now because the dog's sneezing
Starting point is 00:04:15 and shit but now i don't know maybe my heart is bigger i mean you met finn you won't be surprised to know that he had a heart murmur from day one. Oh, he did? He was a medical miracle that he lasted. What was he on a scale of six? Ten years. Four to six? Five out of six? Oh, he was all the way. All the way up. Six out of six?
Starting point is 00:04:36 Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, it was bad news. Anyway, so it's just interesting to think of how much more we think about our own animal care than previous generations did. Because I'm like, the example I had was just let it ride. But I get that now. We have interventions. Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Have we talked about the really dark period in U.S. history? Right at the, I think it was when the U.S. first got into World War II. Where they were like, okay, so what you have to do is ration your dairy ration like other foodstuffs and execute your dogs so they're not taking up any additional resources i remember milk rationing yeah they there was also a dog rationing like dog execution wave that went around because they were just like they're taking up too much too much resources folks shout out to the people who were like you know what let's just wait to see how this goes before we start yeah often you know i probably would have been hiding
Starting point is 00:05:36 my dog away anyways my name is jack o'ba. I'm gonna take a shit. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. The Seven Nation Army couldn't hold this crap. They're gonna bag it up. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Try to sell it right out behind my back. And I'm talking to myself at night because I can't quite grasp. myself at night because i can't quite grasp if they're selling vagina candles why not sell some of my mountain dew ass oh that is courtesy of lex loogie mr lugubrious yes about a story that i wasn't here for but yeah the goop it was the goop when it's gift guide and there was literally
Starting point is 00:06:20 a 75 bag of shit yeah and yeah there was spoke manure did75 bag of shit in it. Yeah, there was. Bespoke manure. Did they have like the vintage, the provenance? No, they just said it. Were they like, this is from somebody who eats a vegan diet? No, they said it was like from like chickens and horses and donkeys and shit, like at some fucking ranch or something. And I'm like, what the fuck? $75 for like bespoke
Starting point is 00:06:47 shit it's like poop no yeah and there's like a 300 joint rolling machine that i just could not get behind because it had like nespresso pods for the weed so you couldn't even put your own flour in it and you were like buying their fucking mid-ass shit no for. For $300? Mm-mm. Nope. Sorry. I could definitely see a Sharper Image style $300 joint rolling machine. You could. But to have to source your weed from Sharper Image is so whack. No, no, no. And plus, it feels like with Instagram apps or as technology gets better, we sort of democratize all these skills.
Starting point is 00:07:24 technology gets better we sort of democratize all these skills it's like hey even if you don't have a camera you can actually take really cool pictures because shit you know is helping shit look better in a lot of ways and i feel like i developed the skills to twist up fucking in any situation inside of a jacket inside of a backpack it could be raining i could gut a blunt and fucking twist something up like gone in 60 seconds maybe actually technically like 45 but so when i see those machines i feel like a luddite could you just pull your sleeve down over your hand and roll a joint inside the sleeve one-handed damn i could that's that's something i want to see i probably could depends on how yeah how fine the grind is anyway i'm thrilled to be joined as as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray!
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Starting point is 00:08:44 Podcast second rate you simply must do it it is great okay there it is thank you to the bro you did it fix you by coldplay fantastic i don't know fix you i know i'm is that ladder stream ladder cold dude that shit was like every promo for like a big event would play fix you because there was like the that was like the beat like the end part that's like like that part you don't remember that hmm all right not not it's not coming to me based off of your your vocal interpretation over zoom okay how about this part they're coming out of and then they come out calm just piano chris martin lights will guide you home
Starting point is 00:09:38 and ignite you don't know this shit uh-uh you. You're a bone. All right, forget it. I probably heard it. I'll listen to it and I'll be like, I'm playing myself singing this much Coldplay. Well done, Jack. You fucking walked me right into the trap. You know I wasn't going to admit to knowing Coldplay. It's too on brand for me. You fucking got me.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Make me look like a fool. He admitted. He admitted. He just set me up. Nice try, asshole. Nope. I've never even heard of Coldplay. Anyways, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the host of How to Do the Pot, a podcast demystifying cannabis for women. Please welcome back to the show, Ellen Scanlon!
Starting point is 00:10:18 Ellen! Hi. I'm so happy to be here again. Oh, yeah. Thrilled to have you back. Thanks for coming back. Thanks for coming back. What's new? How are you doing? I'm good. I'm so happy to be here again. Oh, yeah. Thrilled to have you back. Thanks for coming back. Thanks for coming back. What's new? How are you doing? I'm good.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I'm good. Do you have the goop joint roller? I don't have the goop joint roller. I'm sort of a pre-roll buyer. Sorry, Miles. See, no, I buy pre-rolls, too, because there are ones that are, okay, this is the thing. I usually wouldn't buy pre-rolls because the flour that was in pre-rolls was just like the cast it off shake and like not necessarily. The weed equivalent of Chicken McNuggets. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Pink goo. Like I'm trying to eat chicken tenders, you know, real meat. So I would always buy the flour and roll my own. But now there's a lot of pre-rolls that are pretty potent. of pre-rolls that are pretty pretty potent but also there's some trouble because these dudes in california like sue at this company because they're like yo you're lying about the percentages on your fucking pre-rolls because that is another you are hiding a percentage you are hiding a less potent pre-roll behind these numbers but yeah ellen what's your what i i feel like a lot of people and they go into dispensaries shorthand is like how high the percentage is.
Starting point is 00:11:27 But I've also experienced things like that, that percentages aren't necessarily indicative of what, how I'm going to, you know, take that in. What's, what's, how do you determine, you know, what, what pre-roll is right for you? Well, I think the first thing that I learned after being in the industry for a while is that sativa-indica hybrid is not really going to help you very much. And it's tough because that's kind of what's available. And that's the classification. And that's usually how people will start. But it's more of a signal, I think. Like if you say, I want an indica, the bud tender is sort of triangulating that to say like this person wants
Starting point is 00:12:05 to chill out this person wants to be mellow right right right sativa you want something energizing have intrusive thoughts in my case right yeah you know i tell them how i want to feel um i just go in with a handful of cash and you're like hi uh i'd like one happy please happy, giggly day, please. No stress. And one mild panic attack. That was my order. Damn, I shouldn't have ordered that. That's what fucked me up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:33 I'd like to just be chill and not panicked. Oh, oh, okay. Well, then you should go to this side of the store. Oh, fantastic. So I start there. And then we have, we created this list of the 12 essential strains that we think, you know, everyone should have in their stash. And you don't have to have all 12, but maybe two or three. And so I kind of use that as a guide. Like, you know, if you like OG Kush, then tell them that.
Starting point is 00:13:00 If you like a strain, then usually I say I like that. What else do you have? I have some brands now that I like too so i get a little brand specific but it's tough i mean walking in it's like you are a kid in a candy store but there's so much candy and you don't really know what any of it tastes like and so it's a little bit hard the shopping part is still evolving i think for sure when are we going to start getting days, international days, for a specific strain? What was the wine that had Merlot Day? Merlot Day is today.
Starting point is 00:13:36 No matter what kind of wine you drink, the drunk is the same. I know alcoholics like to be like, no, actually, I was white wine drunk and was feeling very bubbly i don't believe any of that shit but like weed is much more different it should have more like knowledge of the strains than for sure all the knowledge around different wine types yeah i mean yeah it's yeah where's our wake where is our fucking og k holiday? I proclaim August 18th, 818, as OG Kush Day to celebrate the OG Kush growers of the San Fernando Valley. Thank you so much. Yeah, we've been trying to get an international day together.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Let's do it. 818. 818. There it is. OG Kush Day. I won't be able to partake, but, you know. You don't need to. I'd love to be there for it.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I'll give you a candy cigarette. You can have a candy cigarette next to me. That would be champ? Yep. Drink a little grape juice and have a nice candy cigarette. And I'll sip and I'll be sipping lean and smoking a blunt. All right, Alan, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. We're talking this Harvard study. It's a study from two Harvard professors that was published in like a MIT outlet, but it just went really hard on this idea that there's a path towards a better society through just an all-time doubling down on police. Like, 500,000 more police force would be...
Starting point is 00:15:09 That'll do it. ...do the body good in America. What a fucking joke. And so, Alec Kyrkatsanis, you know, just took a closer look. I think it is one of the big pillars of, like, one of the early things that I learned about like what things having liberal versus conservative bias. One of the big things, first things I learned was, well, academia has a very liberal bias and the media has a very liberal bias. And I think this is a good opportunity for us to just look at that idea that there is a liberal bias to anything. I mean, there might be like a neoliberal bias, but it's definitely not a leftist bias, which I think a lot of people assume that those two are interchangeable.
Starting point is 00:15:55 So we'll talk about just academia being a complete shit show. We'll talk about Oprah coming through, endorsing Fetterman wait we'll ask the question if is that too little too late i don't really have anything on this but is twitter just like over like is that it i don't know i think we're watching it i think we're just sort of like yo this shit might fucking blow up yeah we're just i think a lot of people just kind of like waiting like at the threshold to be like okay all right all right yep they're like yeah so i'm just curious to hear like you know you guys's thoughts on like where will that energy go what does a post twitter world look like the what now of it all so we'll get into that yeah plenty more but first ellen we do like to ask our guests what is
Starting point is 00:16:41 something from your search history this morning morning, I was searching the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco because I am going this afternoon to see the Faith Ringgold exhibit. During COVID, I really missed being in the presence of art. And so since I've been able to do it, I've been trying to get back there. And since COVID also, all these big museums are finally putting women into their big exhibit. There've been three that I've seen like in the past year, which is a lot, women artists that I'd never seen exhibited. So Faith Ringgold is 91 years old, which also kind of is the path for some of these women artists. Like when they get their big show, they're really, really old, but I can't wait to go. She's super cool. I found
Starting point is 00:17:33 out about her a few years ago because she did a collaboration with Vans and I bought them for my husband. Then I learned she writes children's books and my son really loves one of her books. And so, yeah, that's what I was just working on, what the hours are and see if I can get there. Yeah. It is so wild. Like when you look at the percentages of like arts, like art galleries and things, how little like how it's just it's mostly men. Like it's it's absurd how much how like like male dominated, like, you know, quote unquote, fine art is. But yeah, it's nice to see them trying to put someone on.
Starting point is 00:18:09 It's so much more interesting. You know, these three exhibits of these women, I saw Joan Mitchell, I saw Judy Chicago. They were all at either the SFMOMA or the de Young, which are the biggest museums in San Francisco. And they were just so different than anything else I'd seen, but they were contemporaries of artists
Starting point is 00:18:25 that you know. So it's kind of looking, just creating more context, I think, around what art was at that time, where it's going, where it can go. So yeah, I'm really excited to go this afternoon. An artist friend of mine, she was coming to town and staying with us. And she was like, all right, I'm going. Like she spends hours she was like all right i'm going like she spends hours whenever she gets to a town just like she like blocks off a whole day to go to the museum and she's like yeah that's like going to church for me like that's what what i do and that that was just like a good thing for me to hear to be like yeah that's like you you need to do that for your soul for like you know to like go to see art, be in the presence of art.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Yeah, the presence of it was... I mean, the first time that I went to a museum after COVID, I literally came out and I felt different. It's like the first time that you got to see friends after such a long wait. You're with them and an hour later when you're by yourself you're like whoa I just feel different and that's really how I felt after that first museum trip so seems like a good thing to keep doing yeah it's also like yeah it's it there's a really a like the moment when you look at an art piece and you begin just thinking at all about it that's the whole point of going you
Starting point is 00:19:43 know like when you when you don't give yourself that opportunity you really miss out on a lot of like introspection or just like trying to see through an artist's eyes like what they thought was interesting so yeah i definitely every usually when i go any place i also try and see like at least one museum to see like what the what what they're working with yeah what they're inspired by you know i think that's kind of what's cool about it because if you can walk out and this is know, I think that's kind of what's cool about it because if you can walk out and this is what the city has chosen,
Starting point is 00:20:08 it kind of has like the vibe of the city and the DeYoung Museum's in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. So it's like a very magical place and, you know, cannabis can be a pretty good match if you're going to a museum and wanting to hang out. So you can kind of enhance your experience. I'm a big believer that, you know, cannabis can be a pretty good match if you're going to a museum and want to hang out. So you can kind of enhance your experience. I'm a big believer that, you know, matching the weed to what you want to do is like just the chef's kiss of cannabis.
Starting point is 00:20:35 So for me, edibles with art is my thing. I don't like to smoke or vape before I go. Like I prefer to I need headphones. vape before I go. Like I prefer to, I need headphones. I need fully charged headphones and a couple of bites of an edible and I'm ready to see some heart. Yeah. Yeah. What's a, what's something you think is overrated? Okay. The thing I think is really overrated is prescription sleep aids and prescription sleep medicine. And it, I'd'd learned about this not because I have terrible insomnia, but because cannabis is helping so many people sleep. And I have talked to people whose
Starting point is 00:21:13 doctors give them these very strong medications and then tell them like, it's kind of going to stop working. So you're going to have to take more. And people are like, excuse me. to stop working. So you're going to have to take more. And people are like, excuse me. That's so much of Western medicine, is that? Yeah. I mean, that was the opioid issue too. Exactly. And so sleep is an issue that, you know, I think people of all, everyone can relate to having a bad night of sleep, whether it happens to multiple times a week or like once every once in a while, it's brutal. And I talk to a lot of people who say, you know, Ellen, I don't really like weed, but I take an edible every night to sleep and it's changed my life. So I think that it's something that I'm hoping that sort of just like it not being a great medicine will open people up to
Starting point is 00:22:02 the idea that maybe another plant could help you out and that cannabis could be that plant. And it's a little more complicated with cannabis because unlike just taking a pill and kind of your body just goes into some form of rest, whether it's like zombie rest or not, I think is something we can talk more about. But with weed, you have to know whether you have trouble falling asleep or staying asleep. And there are different types of cannabis that you take for those two sleep issues. But once you figure that out... That's too much thought to put into it. Just give me the pill. Just give me the pill. Knock me out. Hit me over the head.
Starting point is 00:22:38 You have to know yourself and ask. Do some thinking about something as important as your health. That's interesting though. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. The questions aren't that hard. No, but I bet they are for some people. I bet plenty of people are like, shut up. Because that's what, there's just a lot of medicine is moving towards the direction of like you know having a more integrated approach that involves the patient being treated as a responsible person and human being who is like involved in their own recovery as opposed to the past where they were treated like a consumer there who you were trying to just you know get get to pay you money and be become a uh loyal subscriber to your pharmaceutical
Starting point is 00:23:34 company they were under the subscription economy before a lot of us were you know for real it's just wild though to see like you know to your point alan like because like there's so there's so many medicinal qualities of like cannabis or like psilocybin or like mdma and like we're just like because of the fucking drug war it's like i don't know first of all and also i'm sure it's it's the drug wars incentivized because pharmaceutical companies like don't like figure out something that's like safer and cheaper. And like, let's just not do that. Right. But to even see like how like generationally, like I see more of my parents are like boomers and stuff who were maybe like real straight growing up now
Starting point is 00:24:18 or having things like reconstructive hip and knee surgeries. And they absolutely don't want to take fucking opioids at all like they just can't handle it and like i had a friend of mine who's like dad was like really hesitant because he had this very like 70s 60s view of like pot for hippies and like i don't need to be an idiot or whatever then started taking edibles and he's like i'm so sorry that i did not like just take try and dissolve that perception to sort of see what the possibility was. And it's not necessarily for everybody, but it's also it's good for people to even be open to see, hey, this this could be an option. Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of of science about this because cannabis is still still a schedule one drug, although this is what Biden just talked about potentially changing. But pain and sleep, there just really is a lot of evidence
Starting point is 00:25:11 that cannabis can help with those two things. And so people, especially older people who are taking a lot of medications, dealing with the side effects of like medication A, not liking medication B and all of that, you that. If you can remove even one or two, maybe it's a topical pain cream instead of a painkiller. Maybe it's for sleep. And just limiting the number of pills you're putting in your body, I feel like that's something that I have seen just be a major improvement for my own life and a lot of other people's too. The problem with cannabis is that people can grow it themselves. Whereas a pharmaceutical from Merck or Purdue was made in a lab and there's a big barrier of entry.
Starting point is 00:25:57 And I mean, I got a lab in my garage. I can, but yeah, you also might blow yourself up or kill you. That was one time because I was trying to make butane. Miles, we're not having this conversation again. OK, not OK.
Starting point is 00:26:09 But but the yeah, I mean, so there there's money to be made. It's the whole just think about America as like one big profitability bias. And it suddenly makes complete sense. And yeah, it's just it's also wild too more and more people i know like to just microdose psilocybin now instead of drinking like people are just like i don't even like i don't even like no i can i can have a little bit of psilocybin and i've i'm having like i'm more like social and i have a good time and I don't wake up with like being feeling like shit or anything. In fact, I feel fantastic and like X, Y and Z.
Starting point is 00:26:51 So it's just weird how even like people are trying to just in their own ways or discovering like even shit that normally like when you're in high school, like I did shrooms once and I lost my mind. Or now like, yeah, man, like a little nibble here, like was actually a, I enjoyed Jurassic Park even more. If you took 10 Tylenol, you also might not feel so great. It's actually way more fun to do to macro dose mushrooms. But I mean, like there are smaller, more responsible doses of these drugs that actually can be very helpful. Ellen, what is something you think is underrated? Okay, the thing I think is underrated is how much it matters what your state elected official's position is on cannabis. So tomorrow is election day and national polls tell us that 90% of Americans believe that cannabis should be legal for medical or for adult use.
Starting point is 00:27:47 It's about like 60-ish percent on recreational use and 30% on medical. So that's one of the most popular issues that exists in our country right now. But you really have to pay attention down the ballot. Like, what are your senators? What do your representatives feel about weed? Because in California, for instance, for instance, where cannabis has been legal for adult use since 2016, still today, 60% of California is dry with weed. There are no retail stores because of the decisions of the local officials. And so it's, it's just, it really, really matters if you're voting to just take two seconds.
Starting point is 00:28:27 And if you care about weed and look and see how your local elected officials, state officials, what they believe about weed. And if I had to guess the other things that those local officials object to are also not going to be people who listen to this podcast, like favorite or least favorite positions you know like if i i feel like the way that you get to actually i'm against weed
Starting point is 00:28:52 is by like being in league with the local chamber of commerce and shit like that that is bad for overall like or like yeah real estate or they're, you don't want a weed shop on this block. Come on now. You want a bunch of weed heads. It's like, I actually do. So what the fuck are we talking about? But Jack, to your point on the profitability bias, if you want to know what I think is driving legalization,
Starting point is 00:29:17 it's jobs and it's tax revenue. So nearly half a million people work in weed. That's a lot of jobs. There are three times more cannabis workers than there are dentists in the U.S. So if you know a dentist, you probably know somebody working in weed. 14. So like from a profitability bias standpoint, if you want jobs, if you want tax revenue, if you want money, I think that's what's kind of making the cannabis election more interesting for me to watch because I would have agreed with you that like things are just straight down the middle and people who believe in civil rights believe in weed, but people who like money also believe in yeah when mitch mcconnell started buying on like hemp i was like oh john bainer is on the board yeah the second he's like yeah all
Starting point is 00:30:15 right at this point i feel like yeah the cow is out of the barn right i i think i used that right like it's the i think for a long, the profitability thing was what was holding it back. And they were like, well, it's more profitable for us to have this war on drugs. Overall, there's more money in the war on drugs than there is in legal weed. And then that was proven incorrect, I think, with the explosion of the cannabis industry. And people are realizing, actually like it's not just going to be young people who like to get high who need to use this like it's going to be very popular with everybody because it's actually a very helpful drug which you would have found out
Starting point is 00:30:56 if you had bothered to study it it's medicine jack you know i mean yeah you know let's let's move past that but i think the other part, is like you look at those like conservative politicians, they're probably like, well, yo, that's that's money we don't have to put into taxes on like our donors. It's like, how about this all revenue? Like, because then you don't have to. I'm sure for people, I don't want to raise taxes. Well, how about this? How about 50 million in like annual revenues for that? Like's what hawaii is projecting if they were legalizing cannabis there and like in recently massachusetts weed overtook cranberries as the fucking main crop there i can't think of a state that more needs to smoke weed well the reason that alcohol prohibition ended is because of the great depression and all of the states and everyone was like whoa there's a lot of money that we're not getting here. And so I think that there's sort of a playbook for this, like the history rhymes concept that, you know, this recession, the deeper it gets, whatever it turns into with all these challenges, these states are
Starting point is 00:31:58 suddenly realizing that having an extra, you know, I think Washington state, which has been legal since 2015 brings in 400 million a year, not a big state, you know, like that's a lot of money. A lot of rain though. Hey, great fries though. Shout out Dick's driving. You really are taken by those fries, man. Jack, we're going to do a live show in Seattle and I think we'll just do it from a parking lot at Dick's driving.
Starting point is 00:32:22 And it's just going to be you and me. Yeah. I'm just getting high. I'm like, and that's what I'm saying, Jack. These are fucking fries, man. This isn't a live show. All right. Let's take a quick break.
Starting point is 00:32:34 We'll be right back. Hey, I'm Gianna Prudente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions, like how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed?
Starting point is 00:32:56 Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job
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Starting point is 00:33:36 Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok. or wherever you get your podcasts. deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high-control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed
Starting point is 00:34:28 will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on.
Starting point is 00:35:06 From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better.
Starting point is 00:35:29 This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president.
Starting point is 00:36:12 One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday.
Starting point is 00:36:37 Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. your podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and yeah this is just off of a alec carrick at santa's tweet we miles and i were like oh man we have to have this guy back in we just we keep uh quoting his threads but his wind yeah on the on police propaganda yeah he's really good at bringing out like some of the things i wouldn't have caught like i don't i know i seem like super fucking smart but i don't pay attention to every study that harvard releases and they're just generally there's a pervasive myth that i bought into for, like, you know, when I was young give the benefit of the doubt and frequently the benefit of the only source we checked with to the police. But yeah, Ivy League institutions in
Starting point is 00:37:53 particular, like just seems so irrevocably tied to wealth accumulation and wealth protection. Harvard has a $53 billion endowment that they just keep growing like it's a fucking hobby. Like it's we talked about earlier last week that when like the people are talking about affirmative action and they're saying these Ivy League institutions like, you know, need to stop using affirmative action because now they're discriminating against Asian students. And that gives that it ignores that like they give so many spots to people who would not get in if they weren't related to people who went there or the children of extremely wealthy people on the dean's list. And, you know hint you get on the dean's list by giving absurdly huge amounts of money to the school but yeah i don't know and then and then like on the other end of that like the smart kids i know who went to ivy league schools like all
Starting point is 00:38:57 ended up in some sort of like finance job like somehow related to the accumulation of wealth, the growth of wealth. And it just feels like they treat like a lot of the Ivy League people I know treat any skepticism towards finance or like not treating finance as like the only serious thing and like something that just necessarily thing and like something that just necessarily undergirds like how the world works is treated as like a you know as unserious or like childish basically it's dismissive well yeah i mean the whole thing of like liberal or whatever in these ivy league schools just look at where senators fucking go to college yeah on either side you're not going to be like oh man what ted cruz went to harvard oh what uh let's fucking hero right i mean like it's the the you know like those places end up just they're just like finishing schools for capitalists they're not
Starting point is 00:39:59 yeah like i mean you can study other things there but a lot like the pathway that we do see especially as it relates to like especially this article it's like the most backwards take status quo and not figuring out how to just keep that alive through these like really disingenuous analyses yeah yeah so the the claims of this paper from two harvard professors that got published by mit the u.s has way more prisoners than any other country. Okay, that's undeniably true. Good start. And two, way fewer cops. And then three, that is bad because prisons bring little benefit for their costs. And four, cops bring big benefits for their costs. So I think they have an issue with the odd or the even numbers there. So yes, the U.S. has way more prisoners than other countries. And like all the charts in their article, like have just all of the shocking numbers are on the, yeah, the U.S. has way too many prisoners and they have about the same, even by their standards that they admit to in it. It's like they're still within the normal range of developed countries in terms of numbers of number of cops. I think doing their statistical analysis, they thought they had arrived at a conclusion that there are like, they're on the low end. You would think the U.S. was on the high end. The U.S. is actually on the low end when it comes to number of police. So, Alec Katsanis, former guest, reached out to them and was like, hey, like, what are your numbers from here?
Starting point is 00:42:00 Because this like doesn't match up with mine. And the professor admitted privately over email that the U.S. census count is actually 1.22 million police. That's 76% higher than the number they chose to use in their public article. Which would mean that it's over the median amount. Yeah, and that puts America over the median. Yeah. So now their two first things are the U.S. has way, way, way more prisoners than any other developed or any other in Asia period.
Starting point is 00:42:36 Okay, true. And slightly more police officers. Which is what they should have said rather than saying, we got more prisoners and we don't have enough cops. And like he's even pointing out, he's like, they admitted that they even use this like really deflated number to anchor their point that there is a gap that needs to be filled. And like without even counting things like private police, which you'll depending on where you live, you've probably seen it. You see them in like certain areas, like where these like very cop looking people who have like weapons and things are also like, oh, so this is private law enforcement over here too. Those numbers aren't counted. There's just a lot of, it really just shows also too, like how breathlessly people will also just say, oh, these two Harvard professors did this, retreat, retreat, retreat, or republish. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:43:27 And continue to sort of spread that narrative. And they are basing their research on like a single study, whereas all of the, like, so they're basing the second part of their thing, which is that, and the police are a self-evidently good investment of public funds.
Starting point is 00:43:46 They're investing or they're resting that on a single study that found that there are many like meta studies that take all the studies about this and have found that actually more police does not equate to more crime. And also all of these studies don't take into account the crimes committed by police, which is like a shocking amount. Every time we take a look under that rock, there is a shocking amount of crimes being committed by the police. Right. And we even talked about how like in Minneapolis, the police are like bankrupting the city because of all their like fuckery and having to settle with like citizens for like all their like, you know, malfeasance. Yeah, there's an like, what's that cost to? Is that in the analysis? Yeah, I mean, that that's another point that he does a good job of driving home is that it's not just that like police are a terrible instrument. It's that they are also like they,
Starting point is 00:44:48 they are a very sophisticated apparatus for fighting against any sort of social progress that is going to upset the current system that we have, which is as to quote Joe Biden, when he was trying to like argue for more police, they, where the police are like your priest and your like, what did he say? He's like counselor, psychiatrist, like all these different jobs like that. The police are the only people that we give money to to do any of those things.
Starting point is 00:45:19 And the police unions have are very sophisticated. The police unions, police lobbies, police PR, all are very sophisticated at fighting any sort of, you know, changing of how we invest to support social programs, progressive social policy. Like they know that that means that we are less reliant on police and therefore they fight against that. They intimidate, physically intimidate, like pull over family members of politicians who support
Starting point is 00:45:53 that sort of thing. And they've been doing it for 120 years at least. I mean, they were like the foundation of the police was as a runaway slave, like hunting force so so it's not just it's not just that more police would lead to more arrests and like what the fuck are you even talking about with this being the solution to we need more arrests right they they even they again they admit it they admit that the this would lead to more arrests. And they're like, that is a downside. It's like, no, but the problem you're trying to solve is that there are too many arrests and too many people in prison. What the fuck are you even talking about? It's such a wild, just misguided, not serious argument.
Starting point is 00:46:47 But it's put forward and so that's where like my thoughts on like ivy league institutions and just academia like come from is just that it it's so inconceivable that like in like people who subscribe to the scientific method would get to a place where this sort of idea could even be like put down seriously and like put a place where they publish it and then like a person asks like very basic questions they're like yeah i mean we hate it we don't like the study and like none of this really makes sense to us either. And it's like, well, then who the fuck are you working on behalf of? Like, I'm in police lobby. Yeah, basically. I mean, he because they'll use this study. I mean, like municipalities will use this study to bolster their argument that this is the solution.
Starting point is 00:47:36 And they'll be able to pound the table and say to Harvard professors in their analysis said even at Harvard. Yeah. OK, they're saying that the solution is to increase the police presence across the country and it's i mean the one the one thing that i've that's positive is like that the story like somewhat evolved to the point where like more people are now like like openly questioning these two professors like even at harvard and they're like what what's going on exactly like this is actually because apparently this was sent out like to disseminated to students um like right around the time of george floyd's murder yeah like and they're like yeah and we know everyone's hurting you should
Starting point is 00:48:23 maybe check this thing out too like there's a lot of ways we can move forward with this. And that is so fucking because that was the that was the answer to the Black Lives Matter movement that the mainstream media wanted to go with and ultimately did go with is like, yeah, but police are necessary. They're our only answer. And so we just got to double down on police because crime's going to go up if we even question or protest against the police, which, by the way, there's new statistics that show there is no rise in crime. So, yeah, the whole thing, like the liberal, in quotes, media bias, the liberal bias of mainstream institutions, they are all part of the same thing. There, who is like an economist who was like on who while he was the Harvard's president, like flew on the Lolita Express and is like a, you know, just a finance stooge who like believes everything that like is just a mouthpiece for the finance industry and like trickle down economics and shit like that. Like he's just the most, you know, and Harvard's fucking, what's it called?
Starting point is 00:50:00 Dowry or whatever. Endowment. Endowment. Is basically a dowry. like 53 billion dollars like that right it doesn't like they tell you everything you need to know the only people telling you that they have a leftist bias are right-leaning people who are good at this shit like that's what that's another thing that like i i'm just tired of like people being like, well, the people on the right are idiots. No, they're good at the lie that they're telling. And like they're succeeding at convincing people.
Starting point is 00:50:31 I'm like, we need to take it seriously. And like, well, I mean, there's but their strategy is to be as cynical as possible. Yeah. And like and very intentionally. I think the issue is the only way to combat that isn't to like do the democrat version of cynicism it's to actually begin telling the fucking truth because that's different than just pointing to all these fucking racist myths and shit and you can say you know what is actually going to like help us are x y and z that doesn't conform to, like, what the defined platform is of, you know, like the DNC or whatever at the moment.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Yeah. So, but I mean, I think the one, again, I just, I like that despite that, right, there are still, even like the kids that are like at Harvard are also, at least there's, it doesn't seem like all the students are like we stand with our professors analysis like the students are somewhat starting to begin to be like this is this is not good work at all and on other faculty but what that means in terms of like the publication and the damage that's been done and who knows what many how many decisions have been made based off of that yeah like as someone who you know just like having been in the professional world and met a lot of people from like supposedly elite universities and, you know, people from like not elite universities and some people like I've never once checked on a resume, like what someone's educational background is. Thank you. I appreciate that. like that it feels like unavoidable there's data that says that the so i know a little bit about the venture capital industry because that's who can fund cannabis because you can't get a bank loan and you can't get money through regular banks and uh julia borsten is a an announcer uh one of the anchors on cnbc and she just wrote a book called when women lead and in this book
Starting point is 00:52:43 it talks about how, I'm not going to remember the exact numbers, but it's something so stunning. It's like 70% of all of the partners who can write checks, who have the ability to like write a check at a venture capital firm, went to Harvard or Stanford. Not just like Ivy League, like those two schools are where 70% and they're all white and they're all men. And that's who writes checks. And that's why women get 2% of venture capital funding. 98% of venture capital funding goes to men. So I, you know, just an extra added little cherry on top for your theory i mean like yeah i wish that stat was like you know you know 80 percent of billionaire class traders go went to stanford or harvard it's like right well that's what we need like that's what i don't know like zeitgang any anybody who's like from this world like we i would love to just like have a segment on this show that is like you know just spying on these
Starting point is 00:53:44 motherfuckers it's like telling the truth about what this shit is going on what is going on because like i have lots of you know suspicions based on like those people that i've met but like yeah like just i don't know like it's a different worldview i know somebody who went to stanford and went into vc shit and you know like start when stanford hedge funds then startups yeah okay that was their path and they're like a sweet person not like hateful or anything but the way they look at the world is they get to work and they start they start making numbers move yeah that's really i mean like because i've even asked him i'm like like like it excites you
Starting point is 00:54:27 and it's like yeah you know but also just to take something from nothing and grow it too is also really fun to see and to work on something like that too so there's like a i don't know i mean like this person is not as cynical in saying it but what they what they engage in is part and parcel of this like broader thing but their but their their worldview is a little more it's less it's less dark it to them it's just more benign what they're doing but i do think it's like a capitalist supremacist like wealth supremacist idea that is at the heart of this and like that's also where the media myth comes from that it's like yeah well all the people who voted for trump are fucking idiots like they're just you know like we can just dismiss all of them as idiots we're the only smart ones and therefore we're making decisions
Starting point is 00:55:14 on people's behalf like it you really do see some of that like i'm randy and thinking like kind of creep in when you're talking to these like ivy educated people that just i don't know all i'm gonna say is that the people who studied who published this bullshit study are two harvard professors the meta study is from professors of cincinnati and university of florida and go bear cats yeah i'm fucking trusting the state universities and the local universities much more than I am a university that was headed by Larry Summers and has a $53 billion endowment. But yeah, class traders, hit us up on Twitter. Hit us at the I'll open the DMs. Just I want to hear the stories y'all got.
Starting point is 00:56:03 All right. Let's take a quick break. OK, we'll come back. Hey, I'm Gianna Prudente. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or can I negotiate a higher salary if this is
Starting point is 00:56:30 my first real job? Girl, yes. Each week we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote. What is it like you miss 100 percent of the shots you never take? Yeah, rejection is scary, but it's better than you rejecting yourself. Together, we'll share what it really takes to thrive in the early years of your career without sacrificing your sanity or sleep. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:57:14 I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration.
Starting point is 00:58:02 It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:58:27 I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros,
Starting point is 00:58:39 Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically Black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained?
Starting point is 00:58:57 This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months.
Starting point is 00:59:24 These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago the target of two assassination attempts, separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And toward the end of the last week, Oprah went from her initial position, New York Magazine reached out and were like, hey, so this monster that you helped create is running for Senate in Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 01:00:54 And her response was, one of the great things about our democracy is that every citizen can decide to run for public office. Mehmet Oz has made that decision. And now it's up to the residents of last week, did come out and endorse John Fetterman, which I don't know. I don't know if that's going to change anyone's mind. It does feel like it's like the Fetterman side looking for a mainstream media win because the mainstream media has just been beating the shit out of them as soon as they got their sights on them and saw a little bit of weakness. And but I don't know. I still think Fetterman's going to do better than whatever the mainstream media is assuming because he actually has policies. His polling went up demonstrably after the debate. The debate where everyone was like, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Because the other thing, when they're asking people about it too too like 76 percent of people knew somebody who'd been through a stroke yeah motherfucker yeah so they weren't like they're like yeah man like that shit happens and i'm not like that is not a foreign concept to me that you are mortal so and especially something as common as that so like it didn't quite that's what was so bizarre about that like with oprah i don't know if it you know i don't know how much weight it's gonna carry and i don't even know honestly like doing some both sides shit about this like like to start off like let the people decide It's like one guy is forced birth. Yes. Like, let's be real.
Starting point is 01:02:27 A woman's right. He's not forcing anyone. A woman's choice is between her, her husband, her doctor, and her local politician. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah. And so, like, it is a little bit like, where the fuck were you? a little bit like like where the fuck were you but at the same time i'm hoping most people aren't like being like well you know me i can't make a decision until oprah says something right you know so hopefully it's not you know necessarily gonna count plus plus or minus in terms of wind sales
Starting point is 01:02:59 i think this is more mainstream media just being like, they're idiots, man. They'll do whatever Oprah tells them. And they'll read a book that she recommends because they recognize that other people will probably be reading that book. And it's fun to read stuff. I don't know that they're going to vote because she did. And her statement of endorsing John Fetterman, like the useful thing would have been like look i've seen some shit this guy's like a bad person and like it's uh you you shouldn't trust his like medical credentials or like his you shouldn't trust him and instead she just like kind of voiced support for fetterman so as not to to burn the bridge but But yeah, I speaking of like his marijuana policy, he was going after Federer. Remember that ad and like the bong came out of his head and it's like he wants to legalize marijuana.
Starting point is 01:03:54 And it's just so funny, too, because this is why more than like him just being like just terrible on all the issues. It's the fact that this guy has no like sound beliefs at all. terrible on all the issues it's the fact that this guy has no like sound beliefs at all dr oz because on when one breath he'll be like i don't know about his legalize all drugs policy while later on being like you know i'm supportive medical marijuana this is a quote quote i think with the doctor's involvement especially for seniors who have end-of-life issues suffering from pain i think it's a safer solution than for example narcotics in many cases but it has to be studied but then going right back now you must legalize everything like he's not a he's a fucking creature yeah that's all
Starting point is 01:04:30 this yeah yeah like an ego creature but it's but you know uh he's he's good at scoffing at somebody recovering from a stroke on a debate stage so that's i guess counts for something i mean he ran attack ads on the fact that he had gone through had gone through a stroke anyways i mean there's more stuff like you you could argue that oprah is like a proto joe rogan who would like kind of show up and say a bunch of medically dubious like someone would show up she'd have an expert on a Jordan Peterson stand in in this case Jenny McCarthy or Dr. Oz and they'd say a bunch of like
Starting point is 01:05:11 medically dubious bullshit about how like there's a pill that'll melt your tummy fat away and she would just kind of smile and nod because that you know she wasn't saying it but she was platforming people who were and then right which is and like yeah it she's uh the i mean dr phil too we've seen where
Starting point is 01:05:36 that goes and like watching his like later like every now and then i like to see what dr phil is talking about and it's always it's it's not even helpful anymore like half of it is like is my trans child a problem like is like the headline and you're like what the fuck is dr aust or dr phil even doing yeah uh but i don't know what about you alan do you get most of your medical takes just from google like jenny mccarthy does and then goes on to Oprah and talks about being anti-vax? No, I go to the doctor. Oh, okay. The doctor, Phil.
Starting point is 01:06:12 Oz, thank you. It's hard though. I mean, I think that I am a person that grew up like whatever the doctor said, definitely do it. And I had a really bad accident. I was down in New Orleans for Jazz Fest and riding a bike and I fell off and it wasn't a very dramatic accident, but I had a lot of really bad injuries. I broke 16 of my teeth. I tore up my shoulder and broke my ribs and my wrist and just was having all of these issues. And the side effects that the medicine were giving me were making me sick. I hit my head because I fainted after taking painkillers that they'd given me at the emergency room. And so it just,
Starting point is 01:06:52 I think that when, when you have like a medical crisis and you're not getting help from the system, I can see and understand how people look for other sources. And it's hard to try to construct a foundation when there's sort of some fundamental things that just don't make sense and yeah so i i understand like the impulse for it but i think that maybe the doctor isn't the best to be the senator but yeah yeah or someone who's like i think it's like in a process though of seeing like how what they say on tv can help bolster like their brand and if it's like aligned with something they're like oh wow that really juices things if i kind of keep going in this direction i think which is really you know like the incentive incentivization of uh like dubious medical advice is also its own issue too but i think
Starting point is 01:07:46 that's a really smart point though like we have these celebrity doctors at a time when america's health care system is like failing american people to such a degree that we're just like tv doctor what do you have to say what do you yeah yeah oh right or a reflection of where we are where someone is like i don't know because i can't afford to go to the actual doctor. I tune into Dr. Oz as a fucking last resort. And I think that's yeah, I mean, that's a very bleak reality that we exist. towards you know and tv doctors she she was right that they were going to gravitate towards them she was just wrong and her choice of who the tv doctor should be yeah jenny mccarthy was a bad choice yeah especially like that that interaction where she's just like being asking her uh well where did you find that research and jenny mcc first thing I did, Google, I put in autism and I started my research. And then you're like,
Starting point is 01:08:47 and Oprah replied, thank God for Google. And she says, I don't, I don't think she was being sarcastic. Like you, that would be the funny thing to say to me like, oh,
Starting point is 01:08:57 great. Well, thank God for Google. But started you down to say it earnestly. Yeah. Thank God for Google. Right. Audience. Wow. Give it up for
Starting point is 01:09:06 Google. Right. And they're killer drones on their way. Ellen, as always, truly a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Thank you for having me. The podcast is called How to Do the Pot. It's available wherever you listen. And we're at DoTheP pot.com. You can follow us on all the socials at do the pot. And if you live in Arkansas, Maryland, Missouri, North Dakota, or South Dakota, cannabis is on the ballot for adult use legalization. Medical is already allowed. So please take a look and everybody vote. Yeah. Yeah. More money in the coffers. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:09:50 Yes, I found one this morning that I wish that it wasn't the truth for me, but it was like my waiting in cart at my Amazon cart is like about $1.3 million right now for all the things that I have put in there. Like when you have a new baby, there's just so much you throw in there. And I still feel like they're probably bottles that, you know, for newborns and it's a, it's a big number now. So I could relate. I need to go in and do some deleting. Miles, where can people find you? what's a tweet you've been enjoying uh i guess twitter i mean i'm not really posting anything just i'm just watching the fire from the side
Starting point is 01:10:32 yeah warming your hands miles of gray yes yes yes uh check jack and i out on our basketball podcast miles and jack got mad because we do have mad boost. You want to see us dunk? You got to pay us $1 million. And then we will let it fly. And also. Oh, yes, exactly. And my Weed and Reality TV Synergy podcast, 420 Day Fiance, where we talk about 90 Day Fiance and all that good trashy shit. Some tweets that I like. Really, one of the first.
Starting point is 01:11:03 It's from Brody goop to at brody goop to tweet it free speech defenders are never like protect my right to call myself prom queen of the fog they're always like our men in blue die from fentanyl trick-or-treating every day and we won't let them say the n-word uh which really feels like this fucking state of things so uh yeah that that's just kind of what twitter is at the moment yeah yeah i'm just liking dumb tweets like favorite movie lines and it's the scene where roy scheider first sees jaws and two frame of that and he's doing the chumming jaws comes out of the water and then it's him saying
Starting point is 01:11:47 holy shit it's jaws instead of i think we're gonna need a bigger boat and that is where i'm at holy shit it's jaws you can find that was the subtext of that line by the way you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us that was the subtext of that line, by the way. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Starting point is 01:12:22 as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? This is a track since Election Day tomorrow. And, you know, we want to avoid as much fuckery as possible. This track called Clean Race, you know, by Scotty. This is a reggae. Like, let's run a clean race. Now, we're not talking about racial shit here.
Starting point is 01:12:43 That's what I said. That's why I prefaced it with the election is coming up. We don't want fuckery. Let's run a clean race here. This is by Scotty. This is from the Mighty Trojan Sound, like Trojan Vault's album. So just some nice reggae, you know, some deep, deep dub. Just put that on and prepare yourself to vote or turn in your ballot or whatever.
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