The Daily Zeitgeist - Bowie 2.0, Leave Both Joe’s Alone! 5.27.20

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

In episode 639, Jack and Miles are joined by Citizen Critic podcast co-host Scott Janovitz to discuss Joe Scarborough, George Floyd, the Labyrinth sequel, and more!FOOTNOTES: ‘Ugly Even for Him’: ...Trump’s Media Allies Recoil at His Smear of MSNBC Host Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died Scott Derrickson Set To Direct ‘Labyrinth’ Sequel For TriStar Pictures; Maggie Levin To Write Script WATCH: Clutchy Hopkins - 2:15 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:36 lockdown baby lockdown watching shrek and scooby lockdown down. That's courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi-Mannan. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Ray. Hey, hey. Die, die, die, die, die. I'm not going to hide my face from you. Media's trying to make me look a fool. You might hate me based on liberal lies. Fucking die, die, die, die, die. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Christy Yamaguchi main crispy bean donut with that NSYNC throwback. Bye, bye, bye. Die, die, die. And shout out to anybody. There was, I remember in the late 90s, there were in Los Angeles, there were groups of young men who would do NSYNC dance performances at parties, bar mitzvahs, kinseis. Just a little bit of...
Starting point is 00:03:26 That's how big of a wave that... Not spontaneously. They were paid to be there. Yo, there was this one kid, Sean Anthony, and his cousins would come through, and they're like, yo, he kind of looks like Justin Timberlake. They would love it. And he had all the choreo down, and I was like, man, man, the bar is so low for these white kids.
Starting point is 00:03:40 That's right. for these white kids. There was a, in my high school, there was this like kid who was a jock who sang, what was that Backstreet Boys song? You are my fire.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Oh, I want it that way. He like sang it at like some assembly and it was like so bad. Like people were like, woo! It was so amazing. Yeah, that was like
Starting point is 00:04:03 when this kid played Brain Stew by Green Day at a talent show and people lost their shit. I'm like, whoo! It was so amazing. That was like when this kid played Brain Stew by Green Day at a talent show and people lost their shit. I'm like, okay, fine. Whatever, no shade. This shit goes, especially when the drums come in. Well, hey, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined by our first-time guest from Citizen Critic,
Starting point is 00:04:22 Scott Janovitz. Hello. I didn't prepare a song. i'm sorry and you're a musician too scott i mean i am you know the fuck dude i didn't get payment i didn't get paid in advance for the song so yeah that's fair enough fair enough scott where are you coming to us from i'm outside of boston massachusetts okay me too uh yeah technically we're all in los angeles how how is everything out there well what's it good uh things are good people this is kind of you know one of the epicenters of the of the of the covid and people are not being careful man
Starting point is 00:05:00 yeah that's the case everywhere i just went out to the target uh and people have got their masks on hung down around their chins it's just yeah it's an accessory it's like the it's like the thing where like when you like would wear a seat belt but you took that shoulder strap and basically put it behind your back you're like that's not all right well you're gonna be head slamming the dashboard but like it's the same thing like well it's kind of that's a good enough i don't want to be yeah the seat belt was uncomfortable yeah the seat belt was uncomfortable so i just i replaced it with a crocheted uh soft things or people who i remember like in high school people just put the buckle the seat belt behind them just so it would shut off the annoying beep in the car.
Starting point is 00:05:46 And I'm like, this is not safety. That takes extra work to buckle it behind you. Yeah, it does. Oh, no. There were people who had it buckled in the whole damn time. It was just like, that's where it was. Okay, well, then that makes sense i get in the car i get i get in the car with my father and he doesn't buckle his seat belt and he doesn't
Starting point is 00:06:12 buckle it behind him he just drives with the thing dinging for like oh 10 minutes where somebody's like hey why don't you uh buckle that in it's like the smoke detector with the dying battery it's like yeah it just becomes part of your reality. It's amazing what the human mind can get used to. Yeah. Fade that out. Scott, tell us about your show,
Starting point is 00:06:34 man, because you are, you are a sister show on the network as well. Uh, and it's, you know, everyone's like, you gotta get these guys on,
Starting point is 00:06:42 you gotta get these guys. They got takes on everything. Uh, so you have to get these guys. Yeah You got to get these guys. They got takes on everything. You have to get these guys. Yeah, I got to. Just let people know a little bit who might not be familiar with you. So when we start getting into it, they go, okay, I see what's up. I think I'm into what Scott's putting down. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Well, yeah, the show is, we have a tagline. It's critiquing the critics and reviewing the reviews. So that explains a lot of it. We basically, you know, we focus in on mostly movies and TV, and then we'll do products and services that are related to that subject. So, you know, we did an episode on Batman, and we read a bad review of, bad review of the Tim Burton Batman movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And we riff on that for a while, and then we'll move over to Yelp reviews by actual citizen critics who are reviewing things like a Batman costume for a grown man. Batman toasters. Right know just like it's a little tight around the midsection oh man this this one guy his wife just tears him apart like accidentally she just goes in on him and how ridiculous he looks in this costume and she's trying to complain about the costume but she in the right as an aside she just decimates her husband. Oh, I love it. It's great, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Yeah, I'm somebody who pays attention to Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes the way that most functional adults pay attention to the stock market or other indicators that have actual impact on them. Right. So I'm psyched about this show, man. That sounds awesome. indicators that have actual impact on them. I'm psyched about this show, man. That sounds awesome.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Yeah, we go to all those wells. We found a new one recently. I was like, oh, I can check out. I've heard about Letterboxd. I was like, let me go to Letterboxd. There's some good user reviews on Letterboxd. Oh, man, I can only imagine. Reviewing reviews is
Starting point is 00:08:44 one of my favorite pastimes like one of my favorite tumblers was one star yelp reviews of strip clubs oh my god and it was like the expectations and the the entitlement of these customers was and it was never really about the dancers or anything it was about like the decor the bar was sticky the the all you can eat buffet they thought they were getting was actually being ran across the street from the like the fried fish shack across the street they don't have a kitchen on premises you're like whoa okay oh man buffets people go in on buffets we did one we Vegas-centric episode and a lot of material on buffets. People judged their entire vacations on the quality of the buffet.
Starting point is 00:09:32 And it's like, man, it's a buffet on a riverboat casino. Don't eat anything on it. Yeah. The sushi here is not that good on this riverboat casino. It smells of cigarette smoke like everything else around it. The tuna was crunchy, but it was raw. It was accidentally crunchy. Space food, dehydrated.
Starting point is 00:10:01 All right, Scott, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about today. All right, Scott, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about today. All right. So we're going to talk about Joe Scarborough because this is getting put on the same level as the president's tweets about how the voter fraud. So I just want to put a division in place as far as how i'm thinking about the president's tweets because uh there's like suspicious things about the joe scarborough thing that the president's pointing out that's not uh i'm not i don't think we ideologically need to be like joe scarborough's a saint if we're also critical of what the president is saying about voter fraud. We are going to talk about the George Floyd video, just the most
Starting point is 00:10:55 horrifying, despicable, enraging, but predictable thing to happen this week so we'll talk about that we'll talk about a labyrinth sequel that uh may be incoming also the astronauts are on the i i said the tarmac that's not right it's the launch pad right yeah uh so if anything happens there we'll we'll cut to that uh it's being streamed by nasa who is i did not know nasa was as involved as they are that makes me much less uh nervous i liked it when spacex was like this backyard thing yeah exactly miles you thought that nasa was streaming it at first uh just to be like look at look at this amateur well when nana was like yo nasa's got the spacex launch on the on twitch i'm like wow okay nasa yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:11:53 they've already got the hashtag fail up on the screen oh god that would be the darkest thing it's like just yeah like their social media managers all like just drunk like bilingual tweeting like check out these payasos over here at SpaceX. Like, what the fuck? A lot of people don't realize, but that video of the flat earther trying to take off in a rocket was taken by NASA. They were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, go for it, man. Let's see how this goes for you.
Starting point is 00:12:22 NASA's actually the most evil fucking organization. uh actually the most evil fucking organization just they're they're reveling in misery they're like actually smart not just people who take tests well uh but also petty in my mind uh which i'm making up uh why am i talking about when jamie loftus is not here yeah to defend it Why am I talking about Mensa when Jamie Loftus is not here? Yeah, to defend it. But first, Scott, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Starting point is 00:12:52 Oh, yeah. So my most interesting search history tends to be on my iPhone because that's where you're just kind of in the moment. Yeah, summoning information. I have no fewer than three different Safari windows or tabs or the mobile version of that open right now that are on vintage eyeglasses. Oh. Vintage eyeglasses.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Vintage eyeglasses. And it tells you something about me because I have been looking, I lost my beloved pair of vintage American optical eyeglasses in 2014. And maybe late, late 14 and have not replaced them yet. And I need them terribly terribly i need them to see i have i have a terrible backup pair uh that are barely held together that i've been wearing but what are like i just can't commit to a pair of eyeglasses. Wow.
Starting point is 00:14:06 It's like the notebook or some shit. This pair was so important. I could never, another pair I couldn't imagine. Yeah, and that's the rest of my life. What exactly, what's special about the frames? I'm ignorant to the appeal of a vintage sunglass or eyeglass frame or whatever but like what is it what my problem is that i was i have my heart set on finding the same frames again oh got it and cannot find them um yeah they're just a really quality pair of
Starting point is 00:14:40 you know new old stock uh american optical plastic frame glasses i love them and i you know now i'm trying to find substitutes like something close to it and i'm just having no luck but i'll be sitting there watching tv and see somebody with cool glasses and i'll be like oh let me search uh that and see if i can find those glasses right Right, right, right. Have you tried this brand, Luxottica? They're this company that makes like a couple, no, I'm just joking. They make all the glasses now. They're an international global monopoly.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Or the Barbie Parker. Yeah, Warby Parker. Or Warby. Yeah. Hey, Optician, Optician Zeitgang, if anything Scott has said about these frames rings true to you, please hit him up on Twitter. Help this man find his sunglasses.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Yeah. Eyeglasses. Eyeglasses. Is there a glasses like StockX for people? Oh, shit. For the real glasses heads? eBay, I guess, probably. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:38 That's what I'd say. Yeah. Yeah, the glasses are my version of the sneaker. Right, right, right. Exactly. Yeah. I just got to collect them all. What's something that you think is underrated?
Starting point is 00:15:51 Oh, I thought about this last night. Washing your face. Washing your face is underrated. My friends, go right now. Not right now. When you're done listening to this podcast go wash your face tell me how good it feels thank me at scott janowitz on twitter it's it's just a simple pleasure in life to wash your face in you know middle of the day not not in the morning not
Starting point is 00:16:22 at night as you usually do but middle of the day wash that face the morning, not at night as you usually do, but middle of the day, wash that face. You're going to feel better. You're going to feel refreshed. It's just the simple thoughts. Wash that face. It sounds like the first day of camp with a bunch of high school freshman boys where you're like, yeah, guys, you should try this. Just washing your face.
Starting point is 00:16:39 You're going to really like it one time. Just give yourself a little break. There is something refreshing, especially if you don't have time to take a shower like i was just moving a bunch of shit in my yard that i had to move and i was like hot but i had to get in here to record so i'm just like gave myself a nice cold face wash oh you feel better it feels like i feel like those old cowboy movies were like you know like there was there used to be like a wash basin and you're like let me get this one yes yeah exactly off your face yeah with more so go to the communal wash basin yeah uh simpler times yeah yeah it's just you know it's one of those pleasures what is what is something you think is overrated in these quarantine times i have to
Starting point is 00:17:26 tell you i think that leaving the house is overrated okay i don't miss it at all i am happy to be in my house i'm happy to have you know streaming concerts brought to me right watch old live shows yeah i don't i don't miss it i don't miss leaving the house i know a lot of people i'm just that's i'm going against the grain a lot of people really miss it and yeah i i you know i'm rooting for the reopening where we can you know safely uh and wisely leave the house uh but i but i personally will still mostly be at home this is yeah introverts are thriving right now yeah and i'm not even i'm not an introverted guy i just i'm tired i don't want to go whatever yeah i want to
Starting point is 00:18:11 go i thought i was more extroverted like i like to talk and perform and things like that but really i get my batteries charged from being alone like yeah just away and i think aside from like the out the just the untold chaos outside of my walls that is going on in the world just like there is this weird shift in terms of like social expectation where it's like you don't have to be out doing something whereas before like i felt like shamed into going to do stuff like yeah just stay inside all weekend but i'm like all, I'll smoke weed at a park, I guess.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah, yeah. That's me going out, but I got my yard, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:52 You know, it's probably not super great for my mental health to be locked in the house, but, you know, it's good every once
Starting point is 00:19:01 in a while to get out, see friends face to face and all that. I know that. But generally speaking once in a while to get out, see friends face to face and all that. I know that. But generally speaking, I'm happy to kind of, I'm happy to have my family here, you know, we can do things together. It simplifies things where you don't have to like, when everything's going on, you have a number of ways to be like, oh man, I think I could be doing more, like being more fulfilled or whatever. And I think, unfortunately, having to stay inside also kind of recalibrates like, oh damn,
Starting point is 00:19:28 like, you know, my mom lives up the street. I can help her. My dad's healthy. Like my grandfather's like 90, but he's okay. Like, and I'm like, okay, that's fine. I don't need to go out as much. And I'm just glad there's no such thing as FOMO anymore. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, um, uh, as a musician, this is kind of, this is great for me.
Starting point is 00:19:53 I, cause I have my home studio here. I can, I can be, I'm basically locked in the studio. I have a ton of new music to release. I'm kind of doing that now. This is kind of an opportunity for me,
Starting point is 00:20:04 uh, to, you just have to look at it positively kind of an opportunity for me uh to yeah that you just have to look at it positively like what can you do with this time that you otherwise wouldn't be able to right uh and finally scott what is a myth what's something uh people think is true you know to be false uh this is a music thing and a kind of a studio thing for me but um the myth that most rock people are familiar with is that dylan bob dylan played at the newport folk festival in 1965 famously plugging in and playing electric kind of a a pivot point in popular music right the myth is that the crowd was beside themselves upset about this folky that they loved going electric and booed him and were outraged and famously folky Pete Seeger was backstage trying to cut the microphone cables with an axe. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:11 None of that is- Sounds a little cartoonish. Yeah, that especially. To be actual history. Now, there are parts of that, there's different versions of that that have gone around. Most people don't believe that, but people do believe that the audience went crazy about it and not not the case um i have an i was reading al cooper's
Starting point is 00:21:33 uh memoir it's called backstage passes and backstabbing bastards al cooper is famously the guy who played uh organ on like a rolling Stone kind of talked his way into it. And then he had this incredible career where he produced Skinner and Blood, Sweat and Tears and all these bands through the 70s and into the 80s. He was there. He was playing in Dylan's band. And he's like, no, that's not the case. People had been seeing Dylan play electric. It wasn't the first time he picked up an electric guitar. Everybody knew he was doing this,
Starting point is 00:22:06 and they were very polite and everything was fine. And Pete Seeger was not trying to cut the mic cables. So that is a big myth among the music community. What about the Royal Albert Hall performance? So that's one that I had on Big Dylan Head. And I have on Good Authority. No, I have the bootleg of it. And people are booing kind of.
Starting point is 00:22:32 And somebody's like, Judas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not clear. I don't know. It could just be Bob Dylan being very dramatic and picking out the one person, being the Michael Jordan of rock music, just being like, and that was all I needed. That's all I needed.
Starting point is 00:22:49 That was all I needed. Wait, so wait, was the Royal Albert after the Newport show? I think it was. So it was out there that people didn't like? Right. It was 65. Or maybe it was 66. It was weird.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I don't know know reading about that whole like division also just like watching documentaries about dylan where like everything he says people are like ah he's so funny and charming like freaking out really like puts uh polite like npr new york intellectual society into perspective for me like now uh i just feel like it like puts all that whole kind of scene into into perspective yeah and and again you know it's like you say they he does half the concert acoustic um and they're they're perfectly happy again knowing full well that he's going to play the new stuff they're not like what is going on there's a band here yeah these songs these songs were released like a rolling stone was out you know and wait at these
Starting point is 00:23:59 performances they perform other songs they've also written as well yeah so the second set the band comes out and they play and he's and he's definitely antagonizing them a bit because they're right they're kind of paying lip service to the idea that they should be upset right and they're having fun they're like oh and they start clapping to kind of drown him out for a minute and they the guy does shout judas and and it's it's so fantastic the energy in it is so good yeah it's the band is on fire i mean everyone should know fans don't turn on the artists they love this because they plugged a guitar into an amp you know i mean like kanye west is out here it's like white supremacist and people are like, I love everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love it. But have you heard early registration?
Starting point is 00:24:48 Yeah, exactly. Late registration. Yeah, I mean, college dropout. And it took me a while, too. Even when he had that one moment on the Yeezus tour, the Pablo tour, he was talking about Trump. And people were like, what? People were booing him that time because they were like,
Starting point is 00:25:03 get this man out of here. But even then, it took me a second to be like, is that all right it takes it you don't you don't immediately arrive to booing immediately unless they are saying something like you know have some trash you know political take but still takes a while it does yeah people are willing to forgive a lot from their favorite yeah absolutely especially like when you go to a show too like when you know that they have a new album out that you don't like and you're just praying you're like please prioritize like the good earlier stuff like i don't like this new experimental shit you're doing and then it comes out and you're still like well i love them either way it's not my favorite and maybe it's less about me and it's about them expressing themselves and that's what i'm paying and you know something to that you give them the benefit of the doubt to a point yeah right exactly and then at the end of the day you know you you march with your dollars you know if you
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Starting point is 00:30:14 And real quick, just wanted to talk. Joe Scarborough, Joe Biden, two enemies of the president who are kind of getting looped into, I don't know, like they're being defended. There's this Twitter account, God, the God Twitter account, and they are doing like a fake murder plot where they're saying that like Trump murdered somebody because it's so ridiculous that trump is
Starting point is 00:30:45 bringing up this joe scarborough thing and i'm not saying i don't know all the details of the joe scarborough thing but the god tweet of the god tweet uh so the but the idea is that trump over the weekend was saying like a lot of people are talking about joe scarborough he's very suspicious death of a of a person who worked for him and staffer right and it is a very suspicious death like that's the thing like i i don't i'm just worried that people are lumping the fact that he's raising that in with the fact that he's raising the idea of voter fraud and being like both of these are equally wrong and like vote let's focus on the thing that's actually evil that's actually going to stop people from doing their god-given duty which is to vote him out of office which is the voter fraud thing um it's it the joe scarborough thing is suspicious he He was a, you know, successful rising politician
Starting point is 00:31:47 in Florida. There was a suspicious death like in his office, literally. And a healthy woman who was one of his aides was found dead with like head trauma. Uh, they then were just like, yeah, she passed out and hit her head on a desk. The police were just kind of, you know, he was a powerful politician. He then retired with no really good explanation. So it's not like the furthest reach to be like, yeah, that's weird. But I feel like people are, I don't know, it's getting swept into this conversation. But it's still massively inappropriate as president
Starting point is 00:32:32 to conjure the conspiracy theory from your place as president of the United States. I get what you're saying too. Objectively, if you heard him, that's fucking shady. Objectively. Is there, what is all the evidence there? if you heard he'd be like that's fucking shady like objectively like yeah is there you know like what is all the evidence there yes there is enough there's murkiness there but i think it's absolutely wrong of the president to go out there and say this especially like when
Starting point is 00:32:56 it again all it serves to do is like torment the widower of this staffer who was like plead pleading to be like please like twitter get this is like i'm a fuck this is this was tragic and like maybe they know or maybe they don't know but that's not for us to speculate or at least for him to speculate on this platform as twitter but i do get what you mean when like people just completely like look i think because this is the deal we're fully we've fully polarized now and on the left as much around there for liberals as much it is for conservatives it's just like well what's our what's the call what's i know my uniform what's the call i don't care what the play is just tell me i'm a little worried about that yeah but that's where we are look at the terrorization
Starting point is 00:33:40 yeah the terror thing is completely uh gone off the rails before it was like we must listen to women and must take these things seriously to like shut the fuck up man like joe biden could fuck just to fuck up and i get that that's fucking trust me it's frightening that trump could have another four years in office but i'm not gonna fucking shut my eyes off to shit when i'm like reading it and looking at the the temperature and the culture and be like these are things we have to talk about if we ignore things they continue and that's why i'll bring them up because i'm not willing to just completely skirt those issues but it's we are completely there are there's definitely a group
Starting point is 00:34:22 uh on on just it's just part of our ideological world we're in of the political ideologies that we subscribe to is like we're on fucking teams dude it doesn't matter there's no objective takes anymore it's just like no bro like fuck that dude albert albert albert pujos is the fucking greatest slugger of the like the say the cardinals have ever had like it's just we're not able to really parse through everything anymore because that's just the general tone of things. We've it's, there's too much anxiety and angst over what the future is that we're,
Starting point is 00:34:56 we're just become completely reactive. I think, I do think that people are recognizing that state of affairs within their own on their own side so to speak um i think more and more people are now kind of getting that and recognizing somebody else's uh take wherever they see it as you know unreasonable and extreme and uh ideologically blind um i certainly see that and you know it's like listen i want to be on your side we we need a coalition but you got to be reasonable you know you got to take things objectively and evaluate them as they come no these knee-jerk defenses of people like biden or scarborough anybody you know none of us are here to defend Joe Scarborough.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Right. And I feel like that's just getting swept in. Like, it's just, you know, it's a messy process. It's an election year. But I just feel like people are having a hard time. And I don't actually think people who are following these stories have a hard time, like like holding two ideas in their head at the same time that like Trump and Biden can both be shitheads. But we're going to have to vote for Biden because we Trump is like the worst thing that's ever happened to this country.
Starting point is 00:36:22 It's more that people who think about this stuff and believe that the country is too... That the people, the voters and the audience and the readers and the listeners are too dumb to be able to hold those two ideas in their heads so they end up putting things in very misleading terms that I feel like... You're... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:44 You saying this is like, like okay i guess that is something i should think more about like i don't know anything about this death and right i i did when i read the husband's letter where he begged for those tweets to be taken down and um to he kind of explained she had this undiagnosed heart condition. I was like, okay, that's a new piece of information to me. I don't know what to think of it, but it's certainly something that I need to not just knee-jerk whatever Trump says is bad and wrong,
Starting point is 00:37:19 and I got to take the side of the other person. Yeah, I have plenty of beef with Joe Scarborough from when he was a Republican and doing his punditry. I mean, he's a Republican. He's also like a lot of his beef is like from the fact that he hung out with Trump like before all of this. So like he's not.
Starting point is 00:37:36 I don't know. And like it's probably a scumbag class. But I guess the thing is, we get distracted, though, because that's precisely what the point of even bringing this up is that it's completely takes all the fucking air. And we get it. We're we're objective and be like, yeah, that's that would that's a little disconcerting. That doesn't seem like a clear. But I don't know everything.
Starting point is 00:37:57 So I don't I'm not going to have an opinion. Yeah, I don't either. Oh, yeah. Fuck you, Trump. Like, let this fool know or like leave Joe alone. He's innocent. I don't seems like a lot of energy is being spent defending joe scarborough and like i see it in other other
Starting point is 00:38:11 places too just on the yeah the sort of mainstream democratic and liberal take but let's yeah but let's be real you know like if if you know when you look at like but you know don't don't talk bad it's gonna it's gonna put people off going to it's going to put people off. And me talking about is going to put people off like anyone who is choosing to not vote. That's a decision they're making because they clearly are fine with the possibility of Trump being president again. I am right. I am not. So I will do what I have to do to figure out what what I have to do to get to that mathematical majority to ensure that this man is no longer president. I have already acknowledged that the American political system is a cesspit
Starting point is 00:38:50 that I want nothing to do with after working in it and knowing and understanding that these sides are completely illusions for a corporate class to maintain their business. And they just work for different industries. That's all it is. Everyone has teams. The Democrats have a lot of investment bankers and those kinds of industries, professional industries, and then a lot of them like mining, extraction, fossil fuels, plenty of other business. And not to say that they're exclusive, but they all have interests. They all have vested interests. That's why the money goes into these parties to keep these people in office, to create the legislation that allows them to exploit our labor that's all
Starting point is 00:39:29 it is so i'm not being i'm not being shitty because i'm like yeah this whole thing fucking stinks and terror read or not i still have to look at joe biden trying to gatekeep blackness so what do you want me to do you want me to fucking skate by that one i get this guy is fucking flawed in so many ways i'm not anyway i don't think is look he's gonna do whatever he wants he can mix up his own name for donald trump it is what it is but i'm looking at it and i'm going that's not ideal right that's it that's not it's not ideal then the ideals that i'm trying to advocate for are ones where we acknowledge people's pain the lack of consent that we have in to advocate for are ones where we acknowledge people's pain
Starting point is 00:40:05 the lack of consent that we have in this culture the lack of openness we have towards other religions the lack of uh fucking fairness we have for races that's what the fuck i'm talking about so if you're not out here full-throated saying this is everything i stand for i'm gonna say well that's not optimal that's not what i want because what guess what i want is better so fuck me because i want better all right guess what you do better too in this reality that i'm envisioning where everybody can at least or at least we can begin to address some inequalities some inequities that we have societally that people can begin to feel that they are not subhuman no matter what it is beyond race beyond gender beyond all of that there is a message that's being sent to people you know like with fucking the kevin hasard whoever the economic advisor at the white house
Starting point is 00:40:49 like human capital stock is what he was referring to stock yeah what the fuck out of here that's so inhumane and that's the kind of thinking that allows black people to be slaughtered in the street that allows trans women of color to be slaughtered in the street that allows a more islamophobic violence every kind of phobia is because this is just because we're not dealing with this bigger shit we're too yeah too busy escaping for joe scarborough whether or not what the fuck happened to his staff for years ago i don't fucking care man like i guess there might be something there and please law enforcement do whatever you got to do to bring justice if there is something there. But right now I'm focused on right now.
Starting point is 00:41:26 And there is way too much scary shit happening right now that is more pressing to me and my existence and the existence of, you know, a future family I hope to have one day. Yeah. And people are out there defending that human capital stock remark as that's just that, you know that's a standard economic way of talking about work for labor force it's like it shouldn't be right about that yeah that's not how we should talk about people yeah we shouldn't talk about them as stock well it's because literally dehumanizing yeah well that prioritization of hoarding wealth leads to these things like where jeff bezos or amazon makes like a fucking half million dollars at fucking second whatever obscure there's some ridiculous math of like the amount of month revenue being generated uh and for him yeah i mean to stay
Starting point is 00:42:18 a steel line from drake it's gross what he nets uh right and this hoarding of wealth that occurs comes at the cost of our humanity because the the trade-off is well if i hoard all this money that means all these humans get fuck all that's all that and we've already set up that dynamic so like jesus it's just there's so much shit going on right now i just want to the pandemic the pandemic has totally exposed that in that these workers who work for his company are suffering getting furloughed you know just being treated so poorly by a company that has an insane amount of uh value and their owner who is insanely rich and gets insanely richer literally every minute yeah um why why not just be a good guy why not say hey i'm gonna take some of this unimaginable wealth
Starting point is 00:43:15 and take care of these people yeah that'll keep it's good for you from your property line yeah exactly it's good for your image why i don't understand who's not suggesting that to him and how does it not occur to him naturally i don't know i think because i you know because it's like anything right we we go into bubbles out of self-preservation and yeah those bubbles become impenetrable i think the higher the less you interact with a more diverse group of people socioeconomically because when you get so insulated and it's fucking it's asbestos baby it yeah i've seen that myself it's just so thick you can't get through there and it's
Starting point is 00:43:56 it's carcinogenic like you you lose your humanity and all of it one thing to the amazon point is there was that whole thing where a lot of people are pointing out that across, I think like 11 local news stations were running the exact same Amazon created segment talking about an inside look at their facilities, but it was penned by their PR people. And this is like this corporate media relationship that's coming into your local news station where you're like local newscasters who you maybe maybe grew up with or maybe know or whatever or saying trust go and like they gave us a glimpse like they're ensuring the health and safety of all their workers that's according to the pr team because everything i've heard is they're firing people who speak up so what the
Starting point is 00:44:41 fuck and i think that's yeah it's like another despicable dimension of the way Amazon's behaving throughout all of this. Yeah, yeah. All right, guys, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back after that. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you.
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Starting point is 00:48:44 Just, you know what listen to the amber and lacy lacy and amber show on will ferrell's big money players network on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back and i wanted to talk about the george floyd video another murder that would have gone completely unpunished unremarked upon probably if the people who were watching it didn't have cameras on yeah and if the police didn't feel like just so invincible that they could just slowly, just unaccountable, just strangle someone to death
Starting point is 00:49:33 like over the course of eight minutes, like on the street with people watching and they were fired and like they need to be in jail. Like yesterday, they need to be in jail. Two days ago, they need to be in jail. Like yesterday they need to be in jail. Two days ago they need to be in jail. It seems like a new level, but I,
Starting point is 00:49:52 I don't know that it is. I think it might just be more of the same shit that we've, we just keep seeing. Um, and I can't, I can't imagine what the feelings are of, of people who know him, people, you know, African-American people in this country, like people who have, you know, children out there who, you know, when they see this, this person, like this is something that everybody is in danger of happening to them if you live in America. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:50:28 It can happen in the middle of the street in broad daylight while people look on. Yeah. I'm just at a point where I'm tired of begging white people to stop killing us or thinking we are dangerous. I've had to do versions of this every time unarmed black people are killed, where I try and advocate for evolving your point of view or perspective on what a black person is or how they behave, how we look at the world, what our intents are outside
Starting point is 00:51:00 of just honestly living like anybody else. There's no secret to it. We're not, our houses are not different. Our parents are not different. Our upbringings are not different. We still, there's, we are human beings. And, you know, when black people call out racism, unfortunately in this country, white people have a habit of immediately turning off because it's a thing that we're used to seeing
Starting point is 00:51:25 in America. It's like, well, yeah, I know. Yeah, I get it. Everything's racist. But, you know, and I know that most people completely turn off because I look around me and all of the evidence remains of systemic racism and white supremacy in this country and the point of view that black bodies are a threat and are disposable. And, you know, we can only advocate for our own communities to a certain point until it plateaus. And the reason we advocate is because we're trying to send a message to the dominant cultures, the dominant forces in our society, the hegemonic classes in our society to be allies, to understand,
Starting point is 00:52:06 to see our humanity and say, hello, we can only say, please stop killing us so much until you have to begin to look at your own world and say, well, I have to also do some cleaning up around here too, because it's on one level. It's not just, and I don't mean this just for black people. I mean this for any group. There are plenty of groups in this country where we need the help of everybody to make sure we are not killed or mistreated or have our autonomy and sense of agency completely disregarded. I know that people, it's hard to hold people accountable, especially loved ones, friends, or family, because you can alienate yourself by being like by calling racism out but i there's really no other way you have to begin signaling to your fellow people no matter what community you're in whether that's me talking
Starting point is 00:52:56 to my to asian people i know black people i know who might say some weird shit about another group like kill that shit that's racist knock that shit off It's, you don't have to flip tables, but you need to, you need to at least be there to say, oh, sorry, alert. That's fucking not right.
Starting point is 00:53:11 And I'm telling you, I know that's not right. And I don't like that you said that. I'm not going to fight you about it, but that's what it is. Because we are sticking up for ourselves as best as we can. And we are still dying. So now we need you to actually help, you know, stick up for our lives best as we can and we are still dying so now we need you to actually help
Starting point is 00:53:26 you know stick up for our lives and stop listening to our music stop taking our culture if you aren't going to stand and be counted when our lives are at stake i i don't know how else to say this it's so i don't i don't want to see people smoking blunts and white girls or they're listening to fucking little uzi vert in their instagram stories and the next thing you know the the best they can muster up as a response to this racism stuff is like lol that lady lost her job from the central park thing can you believe it that's not i'm not that doesn't that doesn't heal our wounds i'd rather see a video of you coming for your friend who's calling some shit ghetto or saying, oh, look at those thugs over. Call that shit out.
Starting point is 00:54:06 That that makes me feel like you are actually trying to to do something and actually advocate. And I again, I know it's uncomfortable, but by doing nothing, we will continue to bear the brunt of unfettered white supremacy so you can continue to be comfortable around your racist peers and i just want to say please please everybody out here is a human being black white latino asian arab it's all we're all just trying to fucking live man and the diet the whole deck is already stacked against us everybody everybody so what why are we wasting our energy looking at each other like we don't give a fuck about each other it's gonna eat you up inside you need to open we all need to just open ourselves up to really sticking up for our fellow human being no matter what whether that if you're a black person and you hear somebody making some stupid
Starting point is 00:55:00 comment about an asian person and fucking coronavirus shut that shit down if you want to fucking say something about a a hispanic person going to their job whatever you want to say some dumb shit you hear somebody say something or you even have a thought and you think oh i made a joke in my head please bring awareness to that because that's the only way we're going to move forward we can't continue to do the cycle of oh my god you're right that's bad and then just let the flame die out because yeah having to walk around and think fuck man it could could somebody just think is it okay like this crosses my mind all the time i have to throw my i pick up my dog shit and i might be something near someone's driveway and i want to throw the dog shit away in their their garbage can That's kind of up the driveway,
Starting point is 00:55:46 not even that far. But I have to think, is it safe for me to approach to throw dog shit away? Because I don't know this neighborhood. I don't know if someone's looking out their window and is just ready to look at me at some certain way. It's tiring. We can only, I think, just as an entire race of human beings, everybody, we can, we have to look at each other and just shut all this bullshit down, man. Because the,
Starting point is 00:56:11 look at, look at where it goes. Fucking just going to, it's, and it's only going to be five days. So I'm saying the same thing again and I'll say it, but fuck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And I think, I think it's a really important point that it's it's everything it's it's up to us as individuals and these things the the small sayings the small thoughts uh that are expressed around us like those things this is how they bleed from like things people think to you know that somebody being murdered in the street because that police officer has been fed a lifetime of messaging that didn't allow him to or didn't you know that he didn't view the person he was interacting with as a human being right it's just a threat to him yeah right i think that what you're saying miles is really smart it's like think of it on a smaller scale you don't have to go out there and march but look at these kind
Starting point is 00:57:20 of what's the you know think of it as the opposite of a microaggression you know it's a yeah being micro proactive it's just like hey like oh hey that's not cool it's going to take five seconds it might make the other person feel uncomfortable or small in the moment but that's what you want yeah you know make them rethink what they're doing if they have any respect for you or your your perspective then they're gonna question it even if even if they react negatively in the moment at the very least let your values be known to your peers let your values be known to your peers if you sit idly by they will assume and that friend who you let that comment skate by they go to their job and they're gonna fucking do something to a marginalized group because yeah they think that's how it works that i guarantee
Starting point is 00:58:04 you that's going to happen because i enter we all interact in this world no matter who we are we come across these people and i they're probably not going home to a household where people are constantly like hey you should probably kind of expand your worldview on this and not be so narrow-minded or ignorant and try and be more open that's probably not happening but that's what we need to begin doing and i think and i'm not, you know, I don't want to even start a person's journey, right? If you're a white listener and you're thinking,
Starting point is 00:58:31 man, I've never thought about this. I don't mean to come at you and say, you're fucked up and evil and racist. Fuck you. Look, we all have all kinds of shit. We are completely force fed into our brains. What the minimum I'm asking is for awareness just a little bit of awareness be a little bit aware of what you might be thinking or what your first reaction is
Starting point is 00:58:54 and just take a second and be like whoa that's fucked up i've caught myself doing that and i have to go oh my god what the i don't i don't i would never do harm to this person but like my thought was really fucking problematic about this thing or about this event or whatever and yeah it takes a second and then say okay whoa you're gonna have to let that don't renew this subscription to that fucking ideology anymore just let that one go and try and pick that apart and be like that's fucking bad you're like oh you know what i realized this is when I was in junior high. We all used to make jokes like this about this group of people. And I'm like, it's a reflex I built into myself as a 12-year-old around other ignorant 12-year-olds.
Starting point is 00:59:35 It's everything. It's not just race, man. It's how you might look at what a man should be, a woman should be. We have all these sort of informed opinions on what a person should or shouldn't be, or what is, you already know what they're going to be like. And we're not actually counting our humanity as being a factor in that, and that we can be different and unique. It's not all monolithic. Yeah. And going on, I mean, I've had the same experience. You know, as a kid, you have these things that are ingrained in you that are OK. Like, yeah, I'm taught to accept all people and I outwardly do that.
Starting point is 01:00:15 But you have these things in your brain where you can use words that are offensive about entire groups of people. You can make jokes that you think are uh harmless but you know i gotta say to fellow white folks you gotta drop the irony right that's what is that irony is the shield that we use to have those thoughts bubble up in our head it It's like, well, I don't, I, it's funny to me because I couldn't possibly believe that. That's why I feel like I can say this or think it or whatever in private or whatever it is. You got to drop that. There's no other way to learn, to retrain your brain. It might take a couple of months.
Starting point is 01:01:03 It might take a little bit longer but eventually you will you will kill that part that um allows you to even think those things we all can and accept it we all can do better we all can do better uh every every person every person can do better so you know if you're thinking does this apply to me? Like it applies to me. Uh, and like, we, we need to find ways to, you know, be part of the solution because this, what, what we're seeing is completely, completely unacceptable. And I'd say again, it's, I appreciate people who were running with a mod Arbery and did the tribute run of 2.23 miles those are gestures and those are received but it ends it it doesn't mean anything unless you're within willing to keep
Starting point is 01:01:57 if that if you can say oh my god that is awful that this unarmed human being was just summarily executed in the street and the police let that happen that is so awful don't just let that thought end there say okay is it awful enough that i'm going to dedicate not that you have to be in these streets but i can at least have a viewpoint and be a node in this network of takes that will be the one that does not allow the bullshit to get by that i can broadcast some positivity and that i can know every person that i associate with i don't have to worry about being on a viral video on facebook pulling some racist shit because we all talk about this we all tried to check back in with our humanity and say, yeah, that was dumb shit.
Starting point is 01:02:49 We used to say as kids, man, that doesn't help. And actually by joking about X group means every time I encounter someone like that, I've already fucking hardline all this bullshit in because of this habit of thinking, try and just look at everybody and be like, man, I know this person is just doing what they can and they're just trying to live. They're not trying to bother me. They're not trying to fucking harm me. They're just trying to live.
Starting point is 01:03:13 And if they're trying to live in a way that might be different to what I believe or maybe at times illegal, then you look, you have to figure out, try and extend some empathy to understand certain people. We're coming up in a society where we have no options. And again, the deck is stacked not just against people of color. The deck is stacked against everybody.
Starting point is 01:03:36 That's why so many of the most powerful civil rights movements get kneecapped the second poor people get on the same page the second working people get on the same page and these fucking divisive barriers of sex race gender religion whatever vanish and you go oh shit now we're a fucking big ass fist right we're not this we're not a bunch of fucking pieces of shards of of wood now we have some structure and yeah the only way we can do that is if we can look at every single human being and say, I have no issue fighting for you. I have no issue with you thriving as a human being. In fact, I believe that people will probably be less stressed out if their needs were met. And we lived in a world where at least we can begin to address this. We're not going to live in a utopia. I'm not under illusions like that
Starting point is 01:04:25 because racism will live for as long as people look different. That is what it is. But there are enough people that are malleable enough and are aware enough to know that this is bad, that racism, bad, being discriminatory is bad, bigotry, bad, and you can actually be somebody who puts the opposite out. Anybody who is not in the ruling class can benefit from a united coalition of people because it's the it's the economic rule of all of us.
Starting point is 01:05:09 That is the greatest villain here that i think that we need to uh it's hard for people to kind of see that gap where it's like oh i'm you know no i i i i like uh black people i like asian people i like everybody but they're yeah but they're they're over there right and i think it's great good for them i'm over here it's all all cool. As long as they're over there. And it should just be like, no, you know what? That sucks that someone has to walk down the street and get assaulted in Boston because they're Asian. And they have some kind of coronavirus shit going through that. That's fucked up. I'm actually the kind of person, if I heard somebody say that, I'll smack the shit out of them.
Starting point is 01:05:42 Or I will verbally do that to let them know that is fucking wrong you know and i think uh it's it really does take this feeling that the the solution is that we actually have to be like nah man there's we can't there's no teams anymore there's no teams anymore because when there's teams that means we let women fall by the wayside that means we let uh trans people fall by the wayside and all these other groups it's not teams man it's all fucking people it's all people then stop buying into this because it's only causing more hurt and shout out to all the tortured people on twitter expressing especially people of color on the internet trying to fucking make sense of this because it's really it's just it's it just continues and we it we really all need to arrive at a place to do better and that's
Starting point is 01:06:33 all i can say and again i can we can only advocate for our communities to a certain point it takes everybody it takes me to look at uh people uh with mental health issues advocating for their community to say like yes i can be more empathetic. Yes, I can fuck any jokes about that because you're a human being and me saying that hurts you. I don't need that shit. I'm smart enough to find jokes and make real irony out of words and things like that that aren't just being mean from habits
Starting point is 01:06:58 that we all developed on the schoolyard that we thought was quote-unquote funny. Yeah. Just, you know, it's all come together yeah it's supposed to pass a shit but like i don't know that's what it comes to yeah but like we really have to fucking believe that all right let's let's end on uh something stupid and labrys labyrinth is uh so you're you're? Labyrinth is so you're a Labyrinth fan. I love Labyrinth. Both you guys are Labyrinth fans.
Starting point is 01:07:30 I have never seen Labyrinth. What? Oh man. Jennifer Connelly? I mean. It's a wonderful bizarre movie. I was in love with Jennifer Connelly as a child. Then The Rocketeer. Another fantastic Jennifer Connelly joint. Really. Then The Rocketeer, another fantastic Jennifer Connelly
Starting point is 01:07:46 joint. Really, actually, that movie kind of holds up in the choir. The Rocketeer does? Yeah, it's like Disney. I mean, I don't know. Don't quote me on that. Probably there's like, there's some weird Nazi stuff in there. You guys already hear Miles says, Rocketeer, the movie of the year. Rocketeer, movie of the year, right after
Starting point is 01:08:02 Capone. Rocketeer is the movie that perfectly describes our current situation right but yeah like i i loved it because a it's a jim henson there's jim henson characters in it so for me being a sesame street muppet boy muppet gang as a kid i was like perfect this is one to one and my mom it was i also liked it because my mom it was like one of the few kids movies quote unquote my mom would watch with me rather than being like summoning the vhs babysitter and i think it's because she was in love with david bowie and his codpiece uh jareth uh so yeah i always have fond memories of of that film it always has you know got musical numbers got some like escher vibes you know
Starting point is 01:08:42 the music in it is great um it's you know it's very 80s bowie kind of mystical did he do the soundtrack or they just kind of tried to capture his vibe he sings uh you know most of the songs in it i believe that he i i don't know but i believe that he must have had a hand in at least writing and producing them because they sound so very Bowie. Not just because of his voice, but the sort of the vibe. But they're good songs and the creatures are a step beyond what we've been used to from Henson. Yeah. a step beyond what we'd been used to, uh, from Henson.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Yeah. Yeah. Some of them really disturbing in a way, uh, in a, in a way that's acceptable for kids, but, but like really kind of off kilter.
Starting point is 01:09:33 The whole movie is off kilter. Yeah. I gotta watch that shit. I bet I've been watching betrayal. There's all this, uh, past couple of weeks. Just talk,
Starting point is 01:09:42 talk about VHS babysitter. Like, yeah, it's's like you feel like your kid is like sitting through class like not actually but like that's like they're actually i've seen my four-year-old watch something on sesame street and then like put that knowledge into action like uh just as well as he does when i put my long plays together with the sock puppets. And I just wish I could get these damn kids to say, Tom Brady's the real goat.
Starting point is 01:10:17 You know me, man. Never. Anyways, there's a sequel coming to Labyrinth. Yeah, Derrickson, the guy who directed Dr. Strange. So that's already like, there's moments that the film is very visually out there.
Starting point is 01:10:33 So I think that's a really good, uh, I think I, I like that. I like to hear that the guy who put Dr. Strange together is going to be directing the sequel along with Brian and Lisa Henson. So the Henson hands are still in it along with the trippy director.
Starting point is 01:10:51 I mean, I don't, who, could there possibly be a new David Bowie type character? Like, what would we do? Like, do we, is that even a- Who would be our Bowie? Do we cast that? Do we make it not musical?
Starting point is 01:11:02 Do we not, because heavy lies that crown. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough one um it would be like you have to grimes if she never married elon musk um i'm trying to think of who who our bowie is i don't know uh florence yeah that'd be good. Florence would be dope. Because she's got like, she's got Florence Welch. Yeah, I think, I like Florence Welch, James Blake. James Blake. He has no charisma though. I would love to hear what those, if James Blake did that soundtrack, that would be,
Starting point is 01:11:43 I'll settle for that. You know what? Florence Welch. Florence Welch for the Jareth equivalent character. Sure. Why not? All right. Well,
Starting point is 01:11:53 so you guys are pro this idea. You're happy to go back and revisit the world of Labyrinth. I don't know if I am. I don't know where I land on that. I'm trepidatious about that. Yeah. All that to say is, I,'t know if I am I don't know where I land on that I I'm I'm I'm trepidatious about that yeah all that to say is I you know like any movie that we talk about I'm like oh yeah that sounds dope I barely watched them afterwards I'm like the idea the idea is pleasant and I will say that
Starting point is 01:12:17 uh but yeah I'm sure when they like more cast stuff comes out that might either fully be like oh this is going to be bad or you're gonna be like this could be really good all right yeah um well scott it has been a pleasure uh having you on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you follow you hear you all that good stuff you can follow me on the streets of boston um i'm also on twitter at scott janovitz uh the podcast is on instagram at uh citizen critic pod uh find us there uh you know i'm around and is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Uh,
Starting point is 01:13:07 yes, I liked this tweet. It's not a funny tweet. Um, but it sums up how I'm the sort of gobsmacked vibe that I'm in all the time. Now it's from Dave Holmes. Yeah. He tweeted, uh, I think a couple of days ago he said um imagine failing to unite people against sickness and death and that pretty much nails it for me that's good
Starting point is 01:13:36 leadership that is good leadership that's uh that isn't a that's an achievement miles where can people find you and follow you? And what's the tweet you've been enjoying? Uh, Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation network, miles of gray.
Starting point is 01:13:51 And on my other podcast for 20 day fiance, where we talk about 90 day fiance, nice, delicious stoner trash. Uh, a couple of tweets. I like one is from Sophia Chang, past guest,
Starting point is 01:14:03 um, in reference to, uh to the Minneapolis incident, because one of the officers was Asian in the video who had their back sort of turned to this incident. Sophia tweeted, Do not turn away from me this image of an Asian cop turning his back on a white cop as he murders a black man symbolizes patently the anti-blackness that exists within our community.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Just as this man is an accomplice to murder, so are we in the Asian community complicit in the violence and injustice that befalls other people of color unless we engage in the fight for justice for all, not just us. To my fellow yellows who love black culture, but don't fight white supremacy as it crushes black communities, you're part of the problem. And please don't ask me to stand for your Asian causes,
Starting point is 01:14:43 then shrink from engaging in a real conversation about anti-blackness and i just think that's a tweet that can apply to any community any group um and just a a feeling of solidarity uh so i appreciate that to sophia chang who my goodness uh if you haven't read baddest bitch in the room and you want to hear about this woman who basically introduced Wu-Tang Clan to Wu-Tang Kung Fu, check out Sophia Chang. She's absolutely incredible. And then the last tweet I like is from Eve
Starting point is 01:15:12 at Eve underscore Kennelly. It says, straight couples are like babe, babe, babe? Babe, babe, babe, babe. Babe. It's true. Can I add a second tweet?
Starting point is 01:15:35 I was debating between these two. This one made me laugh. This is from Jim Belushi, of all people. And he says, becoming a cannabis farmer has changed my life. That's Jim Belushi. All right. Yes, Jim Belushi of all people. And he says, becoming a cannabis farmer has changed my life. That's Jim Belushi. All right. Yes, Jim Belushi. That's what it was.
Starting point is 01:15:52 That changed your life. That was what it was. Danielle Betsy tweeted, unfortunately, I'll be thinking about this for the rest of my life. And it's a picture of a bumper sticker that just says, gatorade should be thicker what needs more viscosity in my electrolytes and then uh randy at randy paint
Starting point is 01:16:18 tweeted muhammad ali float like a butterfly jellyfish done muhammad ali sting like a bee jellyfish i am nailing this you can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Myles, what are we going to ride out on today? Okay, so this is from an artist we've gone out on before, like maybe once. And I like this artist because we don't know who this artist really is. And I like this artist because we don't know who this artist really is.
Starting point is 01:17:07 Scott, you may have ideas, but Clutchy Hopkins. People don't know what these albums appear. People think it's the Beastie Boys just playing instruments. People think it's other collaborators. But it's got this very, I don't know, stoner jam band kind of vibe where people aren't absolutely shredding on their instruments but they know their instruments well enough and their ideas are great so like everything has like a really great feel so this track is called 2 15 like 2 minutes 15 seconds because all of the songs are just the track length uh and it's basically just guitar drums
Starting point is 01:17:41 a little bit of roads if you like that a little electric piano, bass, and, yeah, mystery. If you have ideas of who you think Clutchy Hopkins is, let us know. Awesome. All right. Well, we are going to ride out on that. The Daily Psycho is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite show that's gonna do it for this morning we'll be back this afternoon to tell you what is
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