The Daily Zeitgeist - Don’t Get Distracted, The Killology Problem 6.3.20

Episode Date: June 3, 2020

In episode 642, Jack, Miles, and Jamie are joined by comedian Brandie Posey to discuss a history of curfews in this country, the man who taught cops to kill, people who are speaking out against lootin...g, Trump trying to label Antifa a 'terrorist organization,' and more!FOOTNOTES: Ferguson clampdown: a brief history of curfews to contain protest in US cities Behind The Bastards: The Man Who Teaches Our Cops To Kill Stephanie Pratt Slammed for 'Shoot the Looters' Tweet as 2006 Shoplifting Mugshot Resurfaces Memphis Suburbs Bracing for Possible Violence From Antifa Trump says US will designate Antifa 'terrorist organisation' Trump says he's naming antifa a 'Terrorist Organization.' Can he do that? An Intimate History of Antifa The Long History of Antifa Two senators want antifa activists to be labeled ‘domestic terrorists.’ Here’s what that means. Why Trump's plan to label antifa a terrorist group is little more than 'political theatre' Trump’s ‘ANTIFA’ Threat Is Total Bullshit—And Totally Dangerous Donation Resources WATCH: Leikeli47 - Girl Blunt (Official Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:04 Hello, the Internet, and welcome to season 136, episode 2 of your daily zeitgeist. A production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say, officially off the top, now more than ever, fuck the Koch brothers and fuck Fox News. My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a., let's say, Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Yep, Miles Gray, a.k.a. Miles Gray. Let's get into it.
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Starting point is 00:03:10 the hilarious and talented Brandy Posey Hey, what's up Brandy? Hey, welcome to the fun episode Yeah, it's good to see you guys I'll say that much, it's good to see you guys. I'll say that much.
Starting point is 00:03:25 It's good to see you. I love you. This is a good group. It's good to see everybody. I'm so glad Brandy's on. I always like when you're on, Brandy. It's always good. Always, always.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Somehow, this shit just gets heavier. That's where we're at now because it's time to use these muscles. Yeah, exactly. The last time I was on, we watched Men in Black. And now we're here supporting. We're watching Men in Black sort of help do all kinds of shady shit on camera. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Men in Black are canceled now. Yeah, exactly. Overrated men in black, underrated black men. There, there's the beginning. Boom, boom. Yeah. All right, Brandy, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.
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Starting point is 00:04:41 who is this fake military guy who trains cops to kill people. And he's a very popular circuit speaker. You can book him for your police force training. And he basically tries to train the resistance to kill out of police forces across America. the resistance to kill out of police forces across America. We're going to look at how Trump is using this, like his Reichstag fire to try and consolidate power against the left, his bullshit Antifa narrative, the church of consumerism being on full display just everywhere over the
Starting point is 00:05:23 weekend. All of that, plenty more brandy what's something from your search history uh how to be an ally abrams tank vulnerabilities yeah i mean um how to like uh i mean the big big thing is like how to deal with uh tear gas since uh we are committing war crimes against our own people um the the milk and everything being poured on your face like it isn't it actually helps but it's not um it's not sterile it's not sterile yeah so water is still the best for one of them reading at least water seems like it's still the best thing and be pouring away from your face as much
Starting point is 00:06:10 as possible so it's not getting on your body right and directly onto your eye yeah yeah avoid the baking soda because it scratches your corneas yeah so that's what i've been googling um also maybe just google shrek like maybe that would be a fun thing just on the side just to like look at i don't know i don't know musical see your friendly face yeah don't think like i gotta look at far quad like he's like the police state and shit it's like you know i don't know there's i don't know if you could look at anything. It was impossible to try and look at something and not be immediately reminded of the absolute, like that we've reached fever pitch and the rejection of white supremacy and over-policing. And then that actually triggered a lot of other anger people had connected to that. Because overall, that's an injustice.
Starting point is 00:07:07 A lot of other people were like, you know, I've also felt injustice. I'm also very angry too. I had to fucking watch Competitive Peloton. I saw that in your story. To try and come back to zero. You know, because honestly, it's easy. So yeah, Competitive Peloton. You know, if you want to see
Starting point is 00:07:26 something so absurd, check that out on the ESPN app. Oh, man. Yeah. The ESPN app? Yeah, it's all special celebrities doing it. That's what they're covering. Like Gordon Hayward
Starting point is 00:07:38 and like Bubba Smith. Just like all these people, like celebrities, like athletes basically on their Peloton. It's basically like, hey, you got a peloton then you can be in this thing where we're just gonna watch people sweat yeah it's done a real
Starting point is 00:07:49 reverse heel turn in the past six months they really around christmas time we were like fuck peloton and now we're like peloton is the only thing connecting us to the earth i mean honestly they they i uh full disclosure, I have one. Wow. Brave, okay. I just put it out there. But they actually sent out an email last night that was like, Black Lives Matter. Fuck, we don't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:08:17 It was actually interesting. And that's okay. And that's okay, Brands. And that's okay. Yeah. The boilerplate nonsense posts are like yeah especially like firing people like their models who are like talking out about race they're like oh no no no no we don't let people say white supremacy in a sentence that has our name attached wait
Starting point is 00:08:38 they were firing people who are speaking out against white supremacy? Years ago. Jesus Christ. I'll find it. But there was a black model who had something to say about racism, and L'Oreal was like, oh, we're dropping them. That was in 2017. The corporate response has been very bizarre and disingenuous,
Starting point is 00:08:58 especially from places like fucking Amazon. I'm sorry. Transgender model. I want to say that as accurately as possible um monroe bergdorf uh and i think she said honestly i don't have energy to talk about the racial violence of white people anymore yes all white people because most of y'all don't even realize or refuse to acknowledge that your existence privilege and success as a race is built on the backs blood and death of people of color.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Your entire existence is drenched in racism. Come see me when you realize that racism isn't learned, it's inherited unconsciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege. That post caused L'Oreal in the UK to say, L'Oreal champions diversity. Comments by Monroe Bergdorf are at odds with our values, so we have decided to end our partnership with her. That was in 2017.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Fuck off. You know what I mean? This is how quickly... Okay. You know what I'm saying? with our values so we have decided to end our partnership with her that was in 2017 you know what i mean this is how quickly okay you know what i'm saying like shut yeah yeah don't let these fucking brands get away with this shit i mean if like yeah if it's full reckoning time like let's let's pull out all the fucking like let's pull out all the people are like people are throwing their bodies in front of these brands to be like, don't harm the stores. Leave the stores alone. Yeah, it's absurd. And it's like brands that have a marked history of like suppression, erasure, all this fucking like Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:10:16 And I also find it bizarre that like people are I think it's like well-intentioned, but people are like, hey, why hasn't the at Star Wars official account spoken out on this? tension but people are like hey why hasn't the at star wars official account spoken out on this and you're like well this is someone like this is a fucking brand that erased the only black character from all like advertising in china like what do you like yeah it gives a fuck what star wars has to say on this well i think because there's this is a convergence of like all of the bad symptoms of racism and capitalism and consumerism flaring up at once. People are so fucked off consumer capitalism that they're like, people arms akimbo in front of the fucking target.
Starting point is 00:10:56 You will not burn this target down. We'll talk about all of this, but it's clear that even in in our news coverage we're more concerned with property over people yeah coverage is about property it is not about people it is not about what the people are in the streets for you are doing fucking espn of like a lulu lemon burning down with a play-by-play no one that's just for a very specific cynical aim of the media and i'm sure we're gonna talk about all this i could go off fucking right and start start my fucking five minute countdown timer i'm ready to fucking lift off but like this is it's every every single thing i'm like i was trying to be
Starting point is 00:11:43 like how can i talk about this i'm like holy shit man i'm seeing the matrix and the matrix is the same thing but it's expressing itself in its unique way but it's still the same thing it's white supremacy and capitalism expressing itself through all of these mechanisms that it's put in place to maintain its existence and you know power um anyway so watch peloton uh competitive peloton on usb to maintain its existence and power. Anyway, so watch Peloton, competitive Peloton on ESPN. This has been an endorsement for Peloton. Brandy, what's something you think is underrated?
Starting point is 00:12:17 Black man, men in black. I'm going to make that my answer from earlier. Great. Yeah. And then my myth is that antifa has a leader there was a great tweet there are so many people where i i saw a couple versions of the construction people like i am the president of antifa and then other people did the great pivot of like now hopefully like yes now the cia please give me anti-tank missiles and cash right yeah did you see that there was like a a screenshotted tweet going around yesterday
Starting point is 00:12:51 from uh an account called antifa underscore us that was like yep tonight's the night's comrades with a capital c tonight's the night comrades tonight's the night comrades say tonight we say quote fuck the city and we move into the residential areas fucking the white hoods and we take what's ours cop bots are out of fucking control they're like yeah cop bots are it's it's like the joke account that have been circulating for years and years like it's so fucking out of touch and yeah right oh they're ridiculous there were several people in my time when i had to be like yo do you not get that this is fake if you don't get this is fake you're the stupidest person like that's like being like uh hey twitter we're gonna bomb pearl harbor tomorrow i think like it's not yeah and the uh i mean it's
Starting point is 00:13:47 all like people were very easily able to prove like so the the ruse was uh oh and they had their account deleted that's why you can't find it on twitter because this is a threatening post uh and somebody went and looked in the wayback machine and that account was created uh i think june 1st so yeah yeah it's just but it like the the disinformation the the way that this is going to be uh politicized is is real and something that's going to be constantly in need of fighting back against. As well as jammers being, there's all of a sudden blackouts of coverage where there's protests,
Starting point is 00:14:35 there's journalists' feeds being taken down and suddenly jamming in areas where no one else is having issues. I mean, they're shooting journalists with tear gas. And protesters with rubber bullets. They're permanently disabling people. Permanently disabling people for protesting. This is...
Starting point is 00:14:56 I mean, what else... For certain people, we knew this was going on. We knew, like, how bad it is. And then like when it all happens at once and you look at just what the response is, the response from protests about police brutality and white supremacy being like the overarching ethos of how we police in this country,
Starting point is 00:15:20 a protest to bring people's awareness to that was answered with just basically like oh you want arrests oh i got them right here for you 4 400 of you yeah because you want what one two no one's been uh arrested in brianna taylor's uh murder uh and we're still waiting for the other three officers amongst countless many previous to this. Yeah. Yeah. Thousands of protesters have been arrested and three cops haven't been. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Got one in custody. For third degree murder too, which is fucking ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing, you know, like white supremacy is a virus, right? And like any virus, it's a living organism that we've seen over the last week what
Starting point is 00:16:06 living organisms do when they are they are pushed to fight back for their survival yeah you see what happens what human beings do right and that happens with virus like it has to protect itself it knows that there are stakes white supremacy is a virus in that sense and it just like i'm saying uh like anything you bring if you bring awareness to it if you bring awareness to white supremacy that's how that's how that shit dies because objectively you can't put that shit out in the open you can't watch a guy get his neck knelt on and die and say yeah yeah yeah that's that's okay because luckily there's polling that was something like you know luckily only 10 percent of this country is completely out of their minds and was like whatever happened there was like the
Starting point is 00:16:49 police did the right thing but like well over 85 percent of people were like this is not enough like what the fuck was that this is absurd so again we have that awareness and it it makes white supremacy vulnerable but it strikes back and it strikes back in the form of how our media is covering it, and it strikes back in the form of how our police are treating the people who are bringing awareness to this virus. And that's how these expressions of self-sustaining survival mechanisms kick in, and they kick in in these other ways. But we're like, oh, yeah, they're looting. Wow. Oh. Are there outside agitators? in and they kick in in these other ways but we're like oh yeah it's they're looting wow oh yeah who's are there p are there outside agitators what's going on hmm because when you're talking about that you're not talking about white supremacy when you're talking about cap and eric reed who
Starting point is 00:17:39 are not in the league anymore you're not talking about white supremacy. And that's what a lot of these things offer us are distractions from this larger discussion and how these manifestations of white supremacy are all around us. Yeah. I mean, the degree to which the police were openly antagonistic towards protests against white supremacy was because of my privilege, I think, you know, was even a surprise to me coming into this. I was I, you know, it was just like I couldn't I couldn't stop watching the videos of them. Yeah. And the media people without any provocation.
Starting point is 00:18:23 harming people without any provocation. And the media coverage of, I mean, from my understanding, the trajectory of almost any major protest was very similar in that it starts peaceful, the cops show up, start antagonizing people, and then they continue to antagonize people and blame the protesters. And what I have not seen reflected in really any major media is that narrative at all. Even though if you trace any citizen who attends these protests in every single city, the story is the same. There's a long afternoon of peaceful protesting and then the cops show up and start antagonizing people. Like it's, I mean, again,
Starting point is 00:19:06 it's like I feel naive for being shocked at it, but it's just that reflection is nowhere. Yeah. Well, it just goes to show how much the police unions have like bought our politicians in so many ways too. The fucking strongest union in the country. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Whoa, that's weird. Every other union, it's like, let's fucking strongest union in the country. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:19:25 You know what I mean? Whoa, that's weird. Every other union, it's like, let's fucking eviscerate it. And then, hey, the police, what do you need? What do you need, some tanks? What do you need? Fucking 150 ton,
Starting point is 00:19:36 whatever these things are with hoses, hosing people down. I mean, even in Santa Monica, right? Peaceful protest in Santa Monica blocks away, there were looters right but the police 100 were focused on the peaceful protest because i think on a certain level you need all that other chaos to basically say this is why we need more tanks man this is why
Starting point is 00:19:56 we need bigger budgets man you see what happens like yeah you know what we kill we kill an unarmed person and the next thing you know people want to do all that's why we need that's why we need all this stuff it really did seem like i mean that seemed to be in addition to the media just being fully focused on on the looting uh and not the peaceful protests the the police were the opposite and it was it was very very uh kind of eerie to watch. You know, there were no police. Like, as the looting was happening, the police were not coming. They were not paying attention. They weren't trying to...
Starting point is 00:20:32 I think you're right. It seems like there's a lot of, you know, people letting things happen or causing things to happen so they can escalate their argument and blame the other side. And everybody who I spoke to who was protesting had the same reaction, that it was a peaceful protest
Starting point is 00:20:55 and the police showed up and started fucking shit up. And numerous things can be true at the same time. There can be people that are so mad they're burning shit down. There can also be people that see an opportunity to blend in with a crowd so they can just fuck shit up for X, Y, Z reason and then whatever. There are also people who I saw pushing black people in the back into police to try and provoke the police using black bodies. That can also be true. There can also be white supremacists infiltrating this to try and instigate things.
Starting point is 00:21:27 There can also be bad faith actors who are doing all kinds of other weird coordinated graffiti. And there are so many things that can be true. However, the biggest, the biggest thing that still needs to take front and center stage is the white, white supremacy and over policing.
Starting point is 00:21:44 Cause we got those two examples. If you weren't stage is white white supremacy and over policing because we got those two examples if you weren't on board for white supremacy maybe if you were a white person and you saw that old fucking man get shoved over in salt lake city by a riot cop what the fuck for yeah that was like nothing i was like whoa i didn't think they did that to old white people that was kind of a trip for me to see because it was one thing when they're ramming a pull a squad car through a group of of people who are just trying to peacefully block block the road but it's another when you just see some dude who's aggro for no reason shoving an old man down it's like exactly because look at the kinds of people that we are employing in these positions and what these institutions are used for. They're institutions used to uphold
Starting point is 00:22:26 our capitalist white supremacist system of governance. That's all it is. They are here to protect private property. That's all they are there for. And that also means private property means, oh, sorry, someone sold your building you live in. We're going to up the rent. Can't afford it, you're evicted.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Going to gentrify it now because Caruso wants to turn it into Grove 3.0. That's another version of this. And these whole things, man, are about disrupting these systems of oppression. And again, they're living organisms, so they strike back. oppression and again they're living organisms so they strike back we want justice for tony mcdade and brianna taylor and george floyd and ahmaud arbery and eric garner and trayvon martin and you know what you could start reading a list that you thought it was fucking aria's list times seven billion okay and we can go down this list and there's still not been justice because we have not disrupted this white supremacist
Starting point is 00:23:25 form of policing and governance. The whole thing is, look at all these systems that are so well funded. The military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, our militarized police forces, they get the best funding because they do the best job of keeping people oppressed and keeping people from actually getting in touch with their power and improving their lives. You know who doesn't get money? Education, health services, community support services. Those are non-discriminatory support systems that help people get out of spirals of poverty and what have you, violence or anything. But there's a reason why, because that threatens to up up end it threatens to disrupt these forms these systems of oppression so when you see people go out there and go we're so fucking pissed
Starting point is 00:24:12 at this this is an up this is a this is a rebellion this is an uprising pushing back against what you define as legal because all we see is injustice and you may use these terms legal and law and code whatever section fuck you but what we see are people being murdered and there are no consequences and so if but if the police have to answer that that means they have to say well then do we need to dismantle these this police department do we need to do a review of all these officers and make sure we don't yes exactly yeah and that's too disruptive because right now there's there's already a steady flow of money going in our like la's budget damn near three billion dollars are going to the police wow there is nothing for our unhoused people
Starting point is 00:24:58 that's why because today invest in the thing that is it's all a down payment on the the fight against poor people that's all these things are down payment on prisons as if it's a down we have well we have to put these people somewhere when they start fucking trying to be like give us our fair share it's really frustrating i mean it's on a city level i mean it's so many cities have been completely fucking fumbling handling these protests like i have have yet to see a city level, I mean, it's so many cities have been completely fucking fumbling handling these protests like I have have yet to see a city that has done it remotely well. And it's not. I feel like the tone of the media coverage is that the cities are so overwhelmed and surprised that they don't know how to handle it. But that's just absolutely not true. They have demonstrated with their money and their influence that they are with the cops and that the fact that they are acting in favor of the cops isn't a mistake. And it's not out of fear. It's an intentional. It's what's been going on and on and on.
Starting point is 00:25:56 And I don't know. I mean, we've all been calling our city counselors, but it's not that they are like, I'm not sure which way to go. They know which way they're going to go. Yeah, you're not sure what, didn't you see them like in other cities just shooting at fellow members of the media? The National Guard has been given permission to kill, to use lethal force.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Like they know which way they're going. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you- De Blasio's daughter got picked doxxed yeah oh please so sorry cops like fuck off yeah yeah um yeah i mean multiple people pointed out like when you look at the what what it looks like when uh you know in quotes the something happens and the police aren't ready for it versus something happens and the doctors aren't ready for it the police show up and in tanks and looking
Starting point is 00:26:52 like it's you know world war three uh from like the future and when the pandemic happens and the healthcare industry isn't ready for it the doctors show up and have to reuse their paper masks over and over again yeah um use some of these cities i saw the fucking mech suits from pacific rim pull up with a red light yeah yeah it was crazy and then meanwhile the our medical workers and people who are essential care workers people who work in meat processing facilities look like they're cosplaying fucking trash people in ppe not even the real thing look like they're doing the yeah all right guys let's take a quick break and we'll come back and kind of break this down into smaller chunks in a galaxy far, far away. No, babe, that's taken.
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Starting point is 00:31:35 your podcasts and we're back and jamie you were pointing out kind of the history of these draconian curfews that they kind of put in place whenever there's a protest or something like this. Yeah, I went back and just wanted to educate myself a little more on how these um curfews are used just because i mean and again it's like i have so much to educate myself on but this was the first time in in my life that i was affected by a curfew where these past two days in la where uh there the curfews have been imposed so suddenly and so severely that you are stranding people in place and you're actively putting people in danger if they don't have a car, which, you know, it speaks to a number
Starting point is 00:32:30 of issues. It speaks to class and it speaks to race and it speaks to essential workers protection and on and on because they were using the metro city buses in our city and New York, at very least, those are the ones I'm aware of to arrest people that so it's so i did some research on how curfews have been used at least in the past couple of generations and there has been a like an increasing frequency of how they're used but the trend is it's used to uh many argue suppress freedom of assembly. Beginning in the Civil Rights Movement and the Jim Crow era of the 60s and the 50s, people in the South were very often,
Starting point is 00:33:14 had a curfew imposed on them to prevent any assembly and prevent any type of protesting. It's escalated in the past 10 years. There were curfews imposed in Ferguson in 2014. There's curfews in Baltimore in 2015 after Freddie Gray was shot. There were curfews associated with the Occupy Wall Street protests to have an excuse to get people off the street and get people to stop protesting with force.
Starting point is 00:33:43 There was a couple days of curfew in Cincinnati back in 2001 when Timothy Thomas was shot and there were protests reflecting that. There were curfews that prevented people, mostly black people in New Orleans, from getting what they needed due to fear of looting during Hurricane Katrina and then again during two other hurricanes in 2008 and 2012. there seems to be a a thread there yeah interesting and also you you mentioned in your write-up that japanese americans had a curfew on the west coast during world war ii it seems like it's exclusively used as a way for cops to just basically have the impunity to arrest whoever they want. Because if a white person is out past curfew, the police have the ability to look the other way.
Starting point is 00:34:35 But this always seems to be a racially motivated policy. a racially motivated policy. Just when you said if a white person I don't know if you saw that clip of the news where a white woman was in a store looting and then the person under was like I hope this woman's an employee
Starting point is 00:34:56 maybe of the store. It was like wow look the media can't even they can't even come out of it. They can't come off it. They can't come off of it. They couldn't, they couldn't, and a complete inability to even look at it like this. And yes, these curfews, like I said in the beginning, whatever it is to take away our awareness of white supremacy,
Starting point is 00:35:18 because if people are gathering together and saying we are against it, then other people go, what are they gathering over there for? What is that, against white supremacy? What is that? Oh supremacy what's that oh yeah that's bad oh okay whoa whoa huh but if you if you prevent people from gathering you don't have to talk about it and again it's these these are the things we have to keep dragging it back out into the light because otherwise this is what they get to do they have a million and one tactics to keep us from talk from shutting the fuck up whether that's firing you from your job keeping you from playing a sport that you love or setting a fucking curfew on you and suddenly making it illegal to be poor and not have a car right yeah exactly and and they set the curfew in la yesterday at like 5 15 and the curfew was six
Starting point is 00:36:01 yeah you had 45 minutes the one in santa Monica, I feel like, was even quicker. That was less than a half hour. Yeah, and today, I mean, at the time of recording this, there have been sudden curfews with less than two hours notice posted in two different areas of the city. It also is connected to there are poor people protesting in rich neighborhoods,
Starting point is 00:36:22 and they want poor people out, which is why you see the shutdowns coming especially early in our area, in areas like Beverly Hills and in Westwood and in Santa Monica, is because they don't want poor people demonstrating in rich areas. They want the excuse to be able to arrest and incite violence against protesters that dare show up. And again, if you're listening to this right now and saying like, but these demonstrations, I get it. You know, it's so fucked up that people get killed and nothing happens. It's oh, fuck. It's so fucked up. My stars and garters so many well-intentioned people who are doing that and i don't you know great good for you
Starting point is 00:37:18 the proof is in the pudding when i see you fucking smack the shit out of someone for using the n-word before a black person does that'll be that I'll revel that day when your hands are quicker than ours to shut some shit down like that but um the if you're looking at all of that and and still saying like yes you understand that but you're you're looking at this other part and using that to sort of take the momentum out of you being outraged out of what these people are angry about that is another form of white supremacy creeping into your subconscious again because if you are now focused on well why are they doing it like that you know what you're not talking about is white supremacy we can we can talk about why they do that or we can talk about why white people kill black people i don't whatever it is sure we can talk about that but the
Starting point is 00:38:05 problem the thing we need to do is talk about it in a way where it's like well what are the fucking solutions you know don't just tell me oh i hate it and i do i wish people didn't do it like that okay well now get involved in the solution part too and don't get fucking caught up in this other shit because again the all of these things are meant to to erode our ability to be to have solidarity with each other because if the second you start questioning well why are they doing it like that like do those people really have to go about yeah some people look when we work when we're just one person it's easy to get picked off you know but you come together with hundreds thousands millions there's more of us than
Starting point is 00:38:45 there's them just look at the nfl unfortunately kaepernick was and you know eric reed were some of the few people who were like consistent with it and they got picked off but imagine if every black player and every white player that agreed that police violence was fucked up and white supremacy is bad also said nah we're also kneeling yeah yeah then you think right you think you think fucking goodell's gonna be like yeah well then you're all out no you're not because at the end of the day i'm playing yeah and i think that's the thing people have to realize what is really powerful about having solidarity in these kinds of movements because right now it looks like a lot of people are charged up and using George Floyd to realize many other things among the other issues. But the thing is, there is real
Starting point is 00:39:31 social unrest in this country. And don't let people for a second try and delude that by being like, well, these couple people, those are people in denial to say, it can't be that bad for people. It can't be that bad for people. It can't be that bad for people. It can't be that bad for people. Really briefly, I want to talk about a guy, David Grossman, who I was on a Bastards episode that dropped yesterday that I recommend people check out for more texture on this. But basically, this fully informed every thought I had about this uprising and the police
Starting point is 00:40:05 response over the weekend, just watching the police throwing people to the ground, driving their cars into crowds of protesters, firing rubber bullets, like as if, you know, they are at war with everyone around them. So David Grossman is a fake expert in a field.
Starting point is 00:40:24 He made up called Killology. Are you fucking serious? He named it Killology and it's a course for police with a primary focus on training the aversion to murder out of them
Starting point is 00:40:39 and he hypes up the idea that police are more in danger now than they ever have been which is the opposite of the truth he claims that his whole like mode of his whole mission is based on this idea from the u.s military which like the thesis of full metal jacket is that the u.s military trains the humanity out of people or military trains the humanity out of people or started training the humanity out of people ahead of Vietnam, and that's why that was like a heart of darkness situation.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And he looked at that and was like, yeah, let's do that with cops, essentially. There was this anecdote that is dubious, that World War II soldiers didn't fire, like they fired at each other 10 percent of the time because they had a natural aversion to murder and then prior to the vietnam war the marines like started creating killing machines and they started actually killing the the enemy more frequently and yeah he even if it's not a true anecdote he looks at that and uses that
Starting point is 00:41:46 as an example of like what we need to change about the police force nope so he goes around he tells these cops about like shows them a traffic stop where a cop gets shot and is like heard dying horribly on on the thing and then he's like this person should have shot the motorist before they had a chance to be shot like they gave him too many chances you might have heard this guy's name or about his course because the cop who shot philando castile who you can see in the video his like you know pink flushed face on camera having the like what the fuck did i just do moment like screaming i told you not to move he was a recent graduate of grossman's program and this program has been used in the minneapolis area like it's not just about this dude this is a minor like a small pinhole into like an entire like cancer that is devouring our country.
Starting point is 00:42:50 And it's just devastating. I don't know. Killology. It's what it is. It's horrifying. We have to completely rethink. We've been having to rethink so many things. And, you know, my heart really goes out to activists
Starting point is 00:43:10 who have been screaming all of these things at the top of their lungs for decades. And now seems like maybe a moment where we might be able to take a look at it. But like I said, what we're dealing with right now is one of the biggest problems in American society. And the solution is not going to be quick or easy. It's going to take...
Starting point is 00:43:40 We're rolling our sleeves up. I think that's why when this episode started, I'm like, let's just fucking go. Yeah. Because I think we, the real work really, really has to start here. And if we're not thinking of how our police forces work,
Starting point is 00:43:58 they, they're, you know, the serve and protect motto. Again, I think everybody has had some form of the joke of being like, you know, like they work for us
Starting point is 00:44:06 but how many how many bosses can you kill can you kill your boss can you shoot your boss you beat your boss throw racial slurs at your boss harass your boss uh because that relationship has completely been inverted and it's not you are here to you are here to just ensure my safety from from people who are doing something illegal, not for you to, like, enforce some other code of laws that you've created to generate tax revenue from being poor either. Yeah. Yeah. And then, I mean, so Trump is kind of, well, let's take a break and then we'll talk about Trump tweeting from his little bunker in the ground. We'll be right back. When you think of Mexican culture, you think of avocado, mariachi, delicious cuisine, and of course, lucha libre.
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Starting point is 00:49:30 police you know firing tear gas at people who are protesting peacefully over here and they're moving their camera over to show somebody like taking a pair of sneakers out of a store like that's that's i i think it speaks to just how the foundation of consumerism under that kind of runs through america like they the idea of that disintegrating if burning the grove to the fucking ground is going to save one life like what the fuck are we waiting for like what you know like just by by getting attention to like drawn to white supremacy the police guarding empty stores, buildings, like more carefully than they're guarding the lives of, you know, anybody, anybody. But it's all a metaphor, right?
Starting point is 00:50:32 Of how capitalism works. Those stores are filled with our labor, with the wealth we created. So they have to put their attack dogs in front of it. When people try and reclaim it in this parallel example. And even just the absolute like when you just think of how all of this, you know, consumer relationships you have, you know, with private property. Right. That's like's like the white person's originary first toy they ever got. Whether that's taking the private property of indigenous people
Starting point is 00:51:14 or the artifacts from cultures they've conquered, that's like the first relationship that gets you on the high of white supremacy is i can take shit and that becomes mine now and you try try and fucking come get it try and fucking come get it that's that's like the exact that's that same mentality being echoed back now and it's really it's really bizarre to look at when you think of all that shit like manifest destiny and all that of like well i spoke to the manager of of earth god and they said it was our destiny to fucking kick you all the fuck out and us taking this shit and do whatever whatever the fuck we want to um and it's when we see those things played out just with these relationships i'm like i'm not confused
Starting point is 00:52:01 or i'm not surprised but it's also just so when the irony is just sort of fed back and you're looking at it visually like that, it's like, oh my gosh. Like Stephanie Pratt. Stephanie Pratt. I don't normally look to Stephanie Pratt from the hills for my awareness of, yeah, for my cues on social situations.
Starting point is 00:52:23 But this this just the irony and the so she tweeted shoot the looters using this tragedy as their excuse to rob and burn all of our towns down and she also tweeted something else about like
Starting point is 00:52:40 won't you please think about Neiman Marcus type thing but it's like, fuck her. But it's like, also, what does she mean when she says our? We know exactly what she means. Oh, of course. She was caught shoplifting $1,300 worth of clothes from a department store like 14 years ago. But she thinks people should be punished with death for looting.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Okay, get in line line because i think you were looting before them so if we're gonna do this in order uh yeah you're first you're you first bitch yeah oh never mind i didn't mean like that okay that's a similar story with the with whatever was going on with jake paul over the weekend where he was found like live streaming looting a mall in arizona it just like it's just so fucking counterproductive and expected with who this person is that it just makes your head spin well i mean i'm not surprised because you will always see the appropriation of black expressions of emotion happening by white people you know like and in this unfortunate instance this is anger uh and then you saw some kids
Starting point is 00:53:45 running around who just took that to be like let's just fucking do whatever the fuck we want it wasn't nothing anything to do with it but again and i don't even want to give air to all that because all this is about our white supremacist capitalist system of oppression that is expressing it in terms of trying to fire rounds at the media or people who are like on their own property and just get inside and then shooting people there are people shooting on look at the they're they're not they're not here to protect us they're there to get off on some weird inverted power fantasy they have from childhood and they happen to be somehow being the job that has been advertised to them for decades where this is the one place you can beat the shit out of vulnerable people
Starting point is 00:54:28 and like even the black cop won't even stop you yeah right and i feel bad for these other cops because i also saw videos of police officers who were emotional that they were there staring down fellow human beings who they knew were right and being upset with them and them having to reconcile all that and process all that but it's like anything you know again it's like you can fucking quit like yeah and i get it it's like but and i understand though because there's the same reason anyone gets into something you go into it idealistically and you can think like i'm gonna change i would never let that shit happen around me yeah I'll never let, I got into politics. I'll never be on some bullshit like payroll or some fucking earth destroyer.
Starting point is 00:55:09 Whoops. You are. I mean. And then you got to have a gut check and then think, okay, can you actually change it or not? Because you also see what the examples are
Starting point is 00:55:17 of the police officers that do stand up for themselves. It doesn't end well. It certainly doesn't end with them having any kind of pension. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. There, there was a woman police officer who stopped
Starting point is 00:55:29 one of her colleagues from beating up a suspect who was in handcuffs. This was like a year ago, but she was fired and lost her pension and brought up on charges of tampering with evidence or some shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:48 There's been a lot of really good podcast reporting, actually, on just cops who decide to try and do right and reform their divisions, and it's just all-out war on them again. It's just... And this is also how we bring this into the light see we don't know this so most people just look at it as like look at that thing just fucking rotten on the inside out and unfortunately but sadly there are people who understand that it's bad and are trying to do right but we have to this is also time to bring all that shit out so who are those people trying to do right please tell your story out loud because i think a lot of people now will back you more people at least publicly the momentum
Starting point is 00:56:31 of public opinion would be on the side of someone who's trying to do away with dirty cops yeah yeah yeah absolutely and a better understanding of what has been attempted and how was it defeated and having a better understanding of exactly how these movements are internally crushed and we never even find out like what what are the methods that have been tried why have they failed what can we do differently yeah i keep thinking about christopher dorner this whole weekend i keep thinking back on him um for those that don't know he was a black cop that was you know called out racism his department got fired and then he went on a cops killing spree and then he was burned to death in a cabin in Big Bear. Yeah, it's about the system.
Starting point is 00:57:13 It's not about the individuals, you know. Yeah, and his manifesto is like, he tried to lay out as much as everything as possible. These are the incidents I reported. This is what happened to me. This is the person who oversaw that hearing. They are now elevated to this position. Yeah, because again, they're living organisms. So if you appear as something as a threat to its existence,
Starting point is 00:57:41 it is going to try and extinguish you because that's just how things work. So if whether that's an individual officer or the kind of coverage of what is happening in this country, the coverage is an antidote or is a response of white supremacy to obscure what is like, you know, why aren't they talking to people? Because if they were, people would be like, oh my God, this seems like a broad coalition of people from all kinds of walks of life who on top of supporting these uh angry black black people in this country are also upset about this and are here to support them and also feel that this is an injustice but rather it's like uh the the the the the smart and final is i think smoke is coming from the,
Starting point is 00:58:26 yes, okay, and they're running out with Iris Cherry Cola, I believe. Oh, you hate to see it. That's not what the news is. But by doing that, that's just so disingenuous. It's just such a disingenuous move,
Starting point is 00:58:41 cynical move from the media, but we shouldn't expect anything else because they all have to work together to beat us this version of reality that we need to not start questioning and asking bigger better things out of our leaders yeah absolutely all right i do want to talk about how uh trump is responding to this lack thereof. And fanning the flames of this and trying to, not trying to help in any way other than to escalate the conflict while sitting inside his palace, as it was referred to, in a bunker where he was whisked away to
Starting point is 00:59:23 when there were protesters outside the White House. He was taken away. There was a guy on Fox News, a former Secret Service agent for Obama, who was talking about, like really talking up the fact that this is an insurrection from a very sophisticated, enemy uh in antifa this guy made sure because he
Starting point is 00:59:49 was on fox and seems to be just a raving rage monster was saying that he he was like i disagreed with obama i still showed up and did my job which suggests suggests that this, I don't know, the level of credit he's giving himself for doing his job as a Secret Service member for Obama as a way to qualify his feedback. But then, yeah, I heard somebody refer to the cops setting their cars on fire is one theory
Starting point is 01:00:26 of what was happening because they were all around burning police cars that were empty. That was the narrative I understood. Yeah, it was just how did, like why were the cars these old cars by the way
Starting point is 01:00:42 the ones that don't drive around yeah they were the old Crown Vicks how did they end up like posed parked in the way the the old crown vicks don't drive around yeah they were the old crown vicks how did they end up like posed parked in the middle of the street uh just like they just abandoned them and then let let the people burn them down and then circled around them anyways i heard that referring to it happening all over the country it's one of the oldest police tactics too is just baiting yeah yeah it's just like using bait cars or it's like whatever you got to do the way that was set up in la was by the time the peaceful protest got back to that intersection the cars had happened and the police were suited up and
Starting point is 01:01:15 waiting for everybody yeah yeah that really seems like i i don't think that's a conspiracy theory i think that's an actual conspiracy that is happening. And it just doesn't make sense. How are people finding these police cars, getting them in the middle of the street, and lighting them on fire? Like how, just logically. But I heard somebody refer to it as Reichstag fire,
Starting point is 01:01:40 which when you're reading about the rise of Nazism, like I started this book, The Death of Democracy, about the end of the Weimar Republic and how Hitler, you know, consolidated power by starting a fake fire and what was essentially like Congress and burning it down and then using that as a justification to then claim that everything left of him were terrorists. And people were just like, yeah, I mean, I don't know how to argue against that. And so there was just this massive, this was four weeks into his presidency. But I can, you already see Trump doing something similar with, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:24 declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. Yeah. Good luck with that. And the right also just weaponizing these images to try to appeal to scared racist people. Well, you know, it's like anything. If you just cherry pick and myopically cover images of buildings burning and then use your media confirmation bias to only focus on black bodies looting or participating in it, you've actually done a successful job of distracting people from talking about white supremacy because now you're just talking about oh see you hate to see it that's what they do they're angry and then they start the looting and that's not how i would do it it's just if there's another way but see this is
Starting point is 01:03:17 see it's not because i don't have to do anything it's because they're doing it like that that's why i don't have to do that's why i'm not participating that's why i don't have to because if that's how they're going to do it, I mean, honestly, like what's the point? Honestly, like it's not worth like the self self-awareness and that's what excuse to
Starting point is 01:03:31 not show up. And it's subconscious too. People don't realize. That's why I'm saying like, it's take a second to even examine every decision you're making when it comes to what is happening right now. And every opinion that you have on it, take a real,
Starting point is 01:03:44 like really fucking just pause for a second and think about why you think something might be like that or why it isn't because i'll tell you what when it when it gets boiled down to the humanity of it all most people tend to agree that this is all fucked up but it takes a while to unlearn a bunch of shit on your way there to be able to see see things for what they are sometimes well yeah you see the cars on fire you also see the cops taking a knee uh whenever the cameras are around and then as soon as the cameras leave they're shooting people with bullets it's like these are two sides of the same uh playbook that they're playing out of yeah yeah there's a number of of that i mean i think that the example i saw most frequently was in orlando where it was like there were cops taking a knee, the police,
Starting point is 01:04:25 you know, the police Twitter account was all over it. They're like, we're with you, blah, blah, blah. And you know,
Starting point is 01:04:29 people who were there were like 45 minutes later, they were shooting us with tear gas, but yeah, go off with the taking a knee picture. Like it's just, yeah. But just so people are kind of armed with, if they hear,
Starting point is 01:04:44 you know, So people are kind of armed with, if they hear that Antifa is coming for you and they're going to burn down America. And I heard Antifa described as like they have the organization of a birdwatching community or the birdwatching community there. They have a shared interest, but there and there are organizations of people who identify as anti-fascist but they're not there's not an official organization that is overarching and also their interest is just fighting fascism that's well yeah they're fighting it's in the fucking name they're not like right yeah but you know similar tactics again of whether it's
Starting point is 01:05:29 the version that it's Antifa that is there to like rabble rouse and blah blah blah it's the same thing with like a lot of people are sharing posters of how the KKK would be like don't talk with communists because they're going to be all in that like yo let's get together shit and they're going to put you in harm's way and you don't don't talk with communists because they're going to be on that like yo let's get together shit and they're gonna they're gonna put you in harm's way and uh you don't want that now
Starting point is 01:05:49 uh because it's again a lot of this and then there's also but then there's versions too where it's like i think white supremacist the media does say that uh they're some officials suspect it's white supremacist whatever the bottom line though like with this whole antifa thing like what's really people should really examine is like if they're against fascism yeah and that is a form of terrorism against a person i'd imagine that terrorism that terror would befall a fascist right but i mean i think the other thing is we have such a hard time connecting the dots. Oh, wait. Nazis, fascists. Nazis, bad.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Fascists. Like, that's the thing, like, people don't have. Because the Nazis actually, I think, allowed a lot of Americans to distract themselves from the own bullshit that was happening in this country. Be like, can you believe Hitler, though? Can you believe that shit? Because, you know, all the racism shit was not, didn't happen in the 60s let's be real so i think this there's also a reason why there's like this thing of like really getting angry at nazis too because they also help americans avoid a real conversation about the treatment of people in this country so and i think that's why sometimes we have that. People don't quite get what fascism is in that sense.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Because, like, we just need Hitler as a way to reflect our own, like, moral purity back to us. Right. Antifa started with Mussolini, which is,
Starting point is 01:07:17 you know, so it was before Nazism. And, you know, they tend to be on the right side of history. When you look back, the people who fought Mussolini were the good guys. So keep in mind when you're identifying Antifa or passing a meme around that suggests Antifa is a terrorist organization, what side are you actually on? You're not on the good guy side.
Starting point is 01:07:45 what side are you actually on you're you're not on the good guy side um just think at the end of the day don't worry your primary focus should be solidarity against white supremacy and solidarity with all oppressed people but right now the the topic du jour happens to be white supremacy as it relates to black people in this country let's do it one at a time because we're not going to fucking do it all at once. But at the very least, I mean, fuck, the reckoning has been, we've been waiting to have it, but we do the best job of avoiding real self-examination in this country, of having true reckonings with shit,
Starting point is 01:08:21 whether a myriad of issues, but we're the best. We're really good. We're really good. We're really, really good at avoiding those conversations. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation.
Starting point is 01:08:36 I was looking forward to talking with you guys all weekend, and it definitely helps me to hear you guys' voices and perspectives. I do want to say, right, I spent this entire weekend, and it definitely helps me to hear you guys' voices and perspectives. I do want to say, right, I spent this entire weekend, I watched Unicorn Riot till my eyes were dry. I rage-scrolled through Twitter. I have probably 7,000 tweets and drafts that I should just throw away my phone because I was so angry. And a lot of people are angry and you
Starting point is 01:09:06 should be angry and don't let anybody tell you how to feel i do want to say this though be careful with what you're ingesting during this time because keep that little flame alive but if you fan it too much right now it'll die out and you will burn out and you will not have the energy within you to keep this fight going if you need to take a breath please take a fucking breath nobody's asking you for your take on social media or anything else like that i think you really need to just take this second to realize that there's a lot of shit we're up against whether that's the our the military police state and white supremacy, all these other things, they're all on this, they're all on the same tree. And it's, we're living in the shade of it and we're trying to get into the sunlight
Starting point is 01:09:52 and it's going to take energy to get into that sunlight though. So if don't, don't burn yourself out. I understand it feels good to be like, I'm, but it feels good to be like, yes, I am responding to everything I'm seeing. Yes, this is making me angry. So I do know I'm, yes. If you've established that, great. But take a second because there is real, real work that has to be done.
Starting point is 01:10:14 And we are really going to have to show up in real big ways. Innocent people are being killed. Innocent people are being maimed for nothing. Whether that's the people who are having interactions with the police or those are people who are standing in solidarity with those victims or independent journalists trying to uh hold people accountable we have to keep this energy up so don't don't burn out now take a second yeah take a second you're not even in the blocks beginning you're not even in the blocks you. You're not even in the blocks. You haven't even stretched.
Starting point is 01:10:45 You just found out that you made the team. That's what happened. You have not trained for this. You just looked on the thing. Okay, did I? Yes, you're on the team. And guess what? We have track meets the rest of our damn lives.
Starting point is 01:11:00 So get ready. But you need to also be aware that when you're on this team, it's not ending when we get the next new whatever. Oh my, can you believe Trump did? Nope, nope, nope. No, no, no, no. Because then all that shit you're talking means nothing. Everybody has to commit to this.
Starting point is 01:11:21 That's the only way you can feel good about this and not hang your head and say, everything is so fucked up. Why am I even trying? This is bullshit. Because we need to take a second because we really do need to find a way for us to all come together to organize and actually properly do this to make change. Because I told you, if it's just a couple of us, we get picked off. We can all find a way to get on the same page, whatever it is. There is going to be a way to do that.
Starting point is 01:11:46 And you will impress yourself with your ability to do that. But that only happens if you have that shit going till the end of your days. So don't burn it out now. Absolutely. Brandy, where can people find you, follow you, enjoy you? I'm on Twitter at Brandazzle. I do want to say, I have a tweet that I do want to read for you guys. George M. Johnson, I am GM Johnson on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:12:17 This morning he tweeted, Happy Pride Month. Stonewall was started because of police brutality. And we're recording this on June 1st. I want to get to a place where we got Black Pride parades in the streets. That's where I want to get to. I would love that. Someday, I believe.
Starting point is 01:12:38 You know what I mean? Joy is also a part of protest, too. and holding on to that for ourselves is important um i'm on twitter at brand dazzle i'm retweeting stuff a lot right now because it's not about what i have to say so come find me but find other people too and donate donate to everything and if you got a rich person in your life steal their money and then put it put it in a fund
Starting point is 01:13:11 let's all rob our parents purses Jamie where can people find you follow you I on Twitter Jamie Loftus help and yeah I guess
Starting point is 01:13:28 I'm going to shout out a Miles tweet that made the rounds this weekend that says the following white allies please remember the real revolution is going to happen off of social media it's going to happen in your homes, in your workplaces and at social gatherings
Starting point is 01:13:44 Twitter is the easy part, commit to the hard part as well um which that resonated with me a lot and i think that especially any i mean yeah any ally just fucking pick up the phone and have the conversation i called a bunch of family members this weekend and it's there's shit cooked into them and it's you have to like really really really understand what is cooked in and then be able to what i'm trying to continue working on is to educate myself to the point where i can really speak eloquently to them and and you know get to a point where i feel comfortable saying look i i understand why you have been conditioned to feel this way here is the way out of this line of thinking like it really is on us to talk to our parents and talk to our
Starting point is 01:14:37 co-workers and push back like there's just i don't know, it's something that I really want to get better at and want to keep educating myself to be able to do. I'll also shout out a study done in Minneapolis that I was going through over the weekend. And if you want to check it out, it's mpd150.com. It's a research that has just done a 150 year performance review of the minneapolis police department uh the conclusion it reaches spoiler alert is that the police should be defunded um but but the history and the details um were i mean very very enlightening and very detailed and the fact that it's specific to Minneapolis is, is also, um, you know,
Starting point is 01:15:26 no, no small things. So I, I would highly recommend people, um, check out that study and, um, yeah. Miles,
Starting point is 01:15:35 where can people find you? Follow you. Uh, miles of great, great miles of gray. Sound like a four year old miles of gray. Miles of gray, Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation network, and my other podcast for 20 day fiance. sound like a four-year-old uh miles of guay miles of great twitter instagram playstation network
Starting point is 01:15:47 and my other podcast for a 20-day fiance and you know to your point jamie like and a lot of people have been messaging me like saying they've had hard conversations let me tell you something you're not gonna scream the racism out of your folks or your friends that's not gonna happen so i would not uh don't go into don't think you're gonna change someone's heart like that and i understand you're angry and it feels like a good way to do that it's like i'm angry you know what i can confront someone who i feel i need to confront sure if you that's one way of doing it we're gonna have people on the show in the coming weeks that you know are gonna help us give us give substantive advice on a number of things.
Starting point is 01:16:27 But start off by just telling people that racism is something you think is morally reprehensible, something you will not engage in, and you are in the process of analyzing your own behavior and trying to be aware if there's anything you have done or could do better knowing all of the things that are going on in the world and the hurt that is out there just do that because then you can just start off like the friend that like the first homie you had that was vegan who you're like oh that fool's vegan now and you're like all right bro but they hang around and like they're not making a lot of noise about it and then you're like oh shit what are you eating oh what is that is that good that's good what is that impossible and then you eat and you're like this is better than fucking regular
Starting point is 01:17:09 fuck why am i aging faster than you i fuck with vegan food and i feel stupid because i was over here being like man fuck if you i don't know what the fuck that's about the same they're gonna it's gonna be the same thing you could do it but please at the very least like i said let people know where you stand to start and you don't have to argue if they go okay well that's fine you don't have to get in a fight if you want to fine i'm like i'm not going to tell you how to exercise your demons but that's that's a very powerful first step is just to say like i'm thinking about this very deeply and i hope you are too and. And then we will proceed with more. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:46 Some tweets that I like is from Miss Toler. It says, normalize changing your opinion on something after learning new information. It's okay. I promise. Yes. It really is okay. In fact, we call that growth. And yes, it's super chill.
Starting point is 01:18:03 Y'all fuck with it. Another one's from at jesse case it says wait till jared leto comes back from his retreat this time oh fuck i needed that i needed that shit and the other thing i needed the other thing i needed was uh a lot of people have been tweeting this but Marcella Arguello at Marcella Comedy she tweeted that fucking David Guetta
Starting point is 01:18:31 stupid and racism DJ drop clip and she said I need every white liberal posting MLK meme quotes to caption it shout out to his family thank you so much that video if you haven't seen it have you guys seen it? no
Starting point is 01:18:43 dude David Guetta is on like a roof oh wait yes i have to stop all this we have to come together you know in the peace and for unity and then plays like a i have a dream like fucking drop and then like mixes it yeah and he's like shout out to george floyd's family it's it's recent? Yes. Oh, it's from like two days ago. Yes. Your body will collapse into itself. But it's so cringe and that we need a little bit of cringe
Starting point is 01:19:14 with our vegetables, you know, just to kind of give us a little bit of laugh right now. Because my God, what a... Please, sir. Please, sir, turn the camera off. Real quick, so Anna Hosni, I wanted us to remind y'all, if you're out protesting,
Starting point is 01:19:32 to get tested or quarantine because it is still a pandemic and they're trying to use that shit against us. And if you're in LA, you can actually get tested again. There was a 36 hour period where the mayor took away testing to show
Starting point is 01:19:51 protesters, but you can get tested again. What the fuck? A couple tweets I've been enjoying. At Who's Dia tweeted, watching CNN anchors try to think through why this is happening is like watching a toddler realize
Starting point is 01:20:08 their hand can grip things and pick them up. Which I thought was just a really good description of what that felt like. You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page
Starting point is 01:20:24 and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on miles what are we gonna ride out on today um this okay i don't know how this artist popped up in my music suggestions, but I love it. Her name is Lee Kelly, 47. And I could be messing up her name completely. I've just stumbled upon her album, Acrylic, and I love it. It's from 2018. But there's a track called Girl Blunt on it.
Starting point is 01:21:00 And it's just like this, it's like a tongue-in-cheek kind of rap song. It said, this shit is a girl blunt. I only smoke girl blunts. And I don't know what that is, but I thought it was a fun chorus. And I just like the low-fire production. And I don't know what else to say. Watch some fucking competitive Peloton and try and rush your brain for a second. All right.
Starting point is 01:21:22 The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you then. Bye. Bye. This shit is a girl blunt.
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