The Daily Zeitgeist - Florida Flummoxed, Tenet(flix) 7.24.20
Episode Date: July 24, 2020In episode 679, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and Full Court Chat podcast host Dave Schilling to discuss Stephen Miller's grandmother passing from Covid-19, Joe Biden surging in the polls while ...Florida's governor Ron DeSantis is plunging for his Cover handling, a public health employee from Florida being fired after predicting their coronaries catastrophe, Kayleigh McEnany's explanation of Trump's well wishes for Ghislaine Maxwell, Christoper Nolan's Tenet being delayed, and more!FOOTNOTES: Stephen Miller’s Grandmother Died of COVID-19. Her Son Blames the Trump Administration. Biden holds 13-point lead over Trump in Florida: poll DeSantis approval on handling of coronavirus plunges: poll A public health employee predicted Florida's coronavirus catastrophe — then she was fired: 'This is everything I was trying to warn people about' DOH Names Director for Division of Disease Control and Health Protection Transcript: Dr. Deborah Birx discusses coronavirus on "Face the Nation," April 19, 2020 Kayleigh McEnany has a baffling explanation for why Trump offered well wishes to Ghislaine Maxwell Sorry, ‘Tenet’ is Not Skipping Theaters and Going Straight to Streaming WATCH: New Young Pony Club - Get Lucky Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Thank you for having me.
I just thought of that two seconds ago because I did not look up an AKA.
But yes, thanks.
Great to be here it's just it's i'm glad we're starting this
podcast off with you thanking me for having you on your own podcast yeah i've always felt like i
deserved more uh gratitude for having you it's like you know what it is it's almost like like
sitting in the back seat when like your partner drives or something and you're like you have to
sit back there but you're like you know what i don't know i'm just gonna try it out even though i normally shotgun
i'm just gonna take it in yeah yeah uh well we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the hilarious the talented mr dave shilling oh thanks this is fashion icon not the first time
someone has said i'm hilarious or talented.
So sorry about that.
But I will take it nonetheless.
Thank you.
I eat it up.
I eat compliments for breakfast.
There you go.
That's a great thing to eat for breakfast.
That's why I'm so thin.
Yeah.
Dave, how are you doing?
How's the quarantine treating you?
I don't know. I felt like I was kind of low energy today.
I knew I had this to work on and come on and talk to you guys for.
And I just sort of like, am I not looking forward to this?
Or am I just so excited that I can't find the energy to do anything else?
I felt like it was like Christmas Day.
This is like my christmas
day for quarantine i i i tossed and turned all night i woke up i couldn't eat i couldn't i
couldn't drink i couldn't think and now finally i'm here and all the enthusiasm is just spilling
out of me it's incredible it's great to have you we're enthusiastic to have you we are uh energy
vampires we do suck the life force out of those we come into contact with.
Yeah, that Blade reference wasn't a joke.
That's real.
There's just techno music thumping in my apartment,
and I'm about to get dumped with a bunch of blood.
Oh, man.
Oof.
I remember that was the thing in Junior High.
You're like, dude, in this scene,
just like fucking blood comes out of the ceiling.
You're like, what?
Before all this happened happened that scene was scary because it's all vampires and they cover you in blood and now that scene
is scary because there's just a bunch of people all in one room with no masks on yeah i was
watching the blood it doesn't that doesn't that part doesn't really i don't care about that anymore
i was watching mr rogers neighborhood from 1968 this morning with my four-year-old, and he had a chef come through who was making ice cream, making a snowman out of ice cream with his bare hands.
I was so fucking disturbed.
I was like, what?
Was that ever okay?
Apparently, in 1968, that was just, we were all right with that.
Did they eat it after?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, man.
Mr. Rogers dug right in.
Wait, he was just bare hand shaping.
Bare hand shaping ice cream.
And did he have like those meaty paws that people had in the 60s and 70s?
They were just like stubby fingers with lots of hair on their knuckles.
Also a great example of, it's worth going back and like looking at, I think there's a post Raisin Bran commercial.. Also a great example of it's worth going back and like looking at.
I think there's a post raisin brand commercial.
That's a great example of this.
But they just didn't care what you looked like when they put you on TV in the 70s.
I missed my era.
Yeah.
The dude just looks like, you know, rough, real rough.
Yeah.
Like they wouldn't put him out front at a at a restaurant
as a greeter like he was not like the the face of being a chef he was more of a behind the scenes
type uh but yeah check out the post raisin brand commercial where they've got um a bunch of
different uh it's like an acapella group where the different acapella members are dressed as raisins. And it's like a
55-year-old tubby dude who just is the lead singer of the acapella group. And no, they weren't
worried about that. They were just like, what? He's a good singer. We got to put him in the
television ad. That man was Burt Reynolds. It's amazing. Yeah.
That guy was considered sexy.
I mean, Burt Reynolds was sexy.
Oh, yeah.
We can all agree on that.
Definitely.
All right, Dave, we're going to get to know you
a little bit better in a moment.
First, we're going to tell our listeners
a few of the things we're talking about.
We're going to talk about a tumultuous relationship
in Stephen Miller's family
after the passing of his grandmother. We're going to talk about a tumultuous relationship in Stephen Miller's family after the passing of his grandmother.
We're going to talk about Florida.
There's some bad polling for our president, Donald Trump, right now.
It's actually a really good case study in just how this pandemic was handled.
They had a young woman who created the best dashboard in the country.
And in a typical administration that was focused on addressing this problem, she would have been
promoted up through the administration and been in charge of all these different things. And instead,
she was fired because it made the information too accessible. So we're going to talk about how that went down.
Ghislaine, we have a clarification from the White House
on why the president was wishing her well.
We're going to talk about Tenet,
because I think we're all a little bit horny for Tenet,
but we all also know that we don't want to go to crowded theaters.
But first, Dave, we like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history
that's revealing about who you are?
I recently looked up public access TV.
Yeah.
For a project I'm working on.
And I forgot the particulars of public access TV,
but it was so important to not just society, but I guess to me, too.
Just like watching weird stuff on public access TV was part of how I spent most of my free time when I was a kid.
Anybody could be a TV host.
Anybody could sign up and have studio time and cameras and be put on television.
It reminds me somewhat of being on a podcast
uh yeah he thought he could do it uh no just but but seriously like i miss public access tv i miss
that you could get perspectives from outsiders where people weren't necessarily trying to be
just famous or follow trends because public access tv shows existed
in a bubble where there was no commentary there was no feedback it was just like i'm gonna make
this thing because it seems good to me but nobody could like immediately instantly tell you you suck
when your tv show came out so a lot of people you know that ended up being uh successful and doing
cool things started on public access tv
tom green's tv show was on public access tv and i don't know how people feel about tom green but
i mean he's a big deal for me when i was a kid i thought he was hilarious some of the hardest
laughs i i had at a very developmental period of my life yeah i remember my mother just really
realizing something was wrong with me because she's like there's just shit on
a microphone and that's funny to you and i'm like but he's putting it in their face and he's not
saying anything about nothing made me laugh harder than when he sent the cow's head to his parents
they were so mad at him the statue that he put on his parents lawn of his dad hitting his mom yeah probably wouldn't fly these days but
the other thing i remember like in public access was sort of like the way i saw like some like
raw like adult content that you could not really find anywhere else and it took like you know older
kids to be like i don't know if you watch public access man but like it goes down late at night
and you can see a titty if you try hard enough yeah like it was
that was like the i remember the promised land at first when i was even engaging with it was like
that's like the the dark web of tv content basically yeah it was like youtube before
youtube for people i'm sure there's a lot of our younger listeners who don't even realize like what
we're talking about but for a long time they, Channel 3, I think, where I lived,
was public access, and it was just videotapes.
I remember once I saw and watched the entirety of a slasher movie
made by people with absolutely no experience,
and it was a blast i would get my stalker content or slasher content
anywhere i could um but i said channel three because where i grew up channel three was a
channel that had to be on to play super nintendo oh yes yeah or the vcr or something it's either
three or four yeah i don't know why yeah it changed based on like i guess maybe some some areas kept one channel sacred like there's no channel three in the la
market so that was ours because four was nbc but i'm guessing other places three was a channel four
wasn't i don't know anyway yeah no three was definitely my channel for the vcr and that
actually shows how uh poorly thought out everything was back in the 80s because you'd think that Channel 3 would
have been a really hot one to get
because people would go to turn
it on that channel to watch a movie on the VCR
and be...
There's just a lot of traffic going through
that station, but instead it was always
public access and just
bullshit.
Bad job by you, cable
bosses. Daveave what is something you think is overrated
oh professional sports this is a hard one for me to talk about right now but as all the sports are
coming back i i start to think about not just how much i enjoy watching the game, but now I'm forced to think
about people's health and safety and the inevitable decline of our country. I'd like to just watch
baseball, but I can't just watch baseball because now, you know, Juan Soto tests positive for COVID
and he was practicing with the team yesterday. He was playing with the team yesterday. They're all
going to test positive now. So thehington nationals playing a baseball game tonight against the yankees is a horrible
idea so if i tune into that i am complicit in some way in this insanity this public health nightmare
so yeah professional sports are overrated only in the sense that not dying is underrated in america now yeah what uh where are they playing that game the
the nationals yankee washington dc wow um dr fousey is throwing out the first pitch
did you know that no i i've decided or maybe i haven't decided but it has been made apparent to
me that life now is just a series of grim ironies.
Are you being serious that he's throwing out the first pitch?
Yes.
That's not a joke.
That's what I mean.
He's throwing out the first pitch and the Nationals best player can't play because he has COVID.
The Simpsons foretold all of this.
Yes.
My favorite episode of The Simpsons was about COVID.
Remember that one?
God damn it.
It's horrible.
Season three, man.
They really went into it.
That's a Schwarzwelder episode, I think.
Yeah.
The sports thing is really interesting to see because on the other side, I know you
watch a little bit of Premier League also.
Over there, they've managed obviously the the handling
of the pandemic has been completely different or much different than the united states but
that has managed to be somewhat uh pretty stable and they're finishing out the season but yeah
there's a lot of other things when you think of like sports that involve like not only just a lot
of players on the field but then the support staff that travels along with it, it gets it almost feels like that seems like almost an unmanageable amount of people.
It seems like the only way to control this and to keep outbreaks from happening is to
do what the NBA is doing, which is not perfect.
MLS is doing this to WNBA as well.
Having a bubble, having all the players in the same place at the same time so they can
contact trace when people test positive, so they can shut down teams.
The first couple weeks of the MLS restart tournament, there were teams that were testing positive, like three, four, five people at a time.
And so they just pulled the games.
They just canceled the games.
Instead of saying, oh, one person tested positive or three people tested positive, they just won't play and everybody else will. It's like, well, those people will probably
test positive the next time you test them. So it just doesn't seem like you can do this unless
you have complete control over the environment. You have complete control over where the players
go, who they interact with and their schedules. That's draconian and totalitarian and scary, but the other option is people getting sick
and possibly dying.
So I would rather have sports be controlled or not happen at all.
Baseball is doing it totally wrong.
Football is going to have fans, they say.
They're going to put masks on people and have them go to football games.
How does that make sense?
It doesn't.
I mean, they say that now.
I mean, I can't...
What do they mean?
What, they're going to reduce the crowds
to just 10,000 people?
Yeah, that's the only way you're going to be able to do this.
No concession stand lines.
No bathroom lines.
There's no way you can guarantee that no one's gonna get sick they're
gonna have people sign waivers right saying i was i i admit that i am putting my life in danger by
attending this football game but you can't beat the price on those tickets though man got it
such a good such a good deal their move their price to move the nba thing is starting to look very smart because
they had zero positive tests in their last batch of like uh you know uh league-wide testing and
you know that what they did was smart and that they created their own artificial environment
where they could do the thing we should be doing as a nation, which is contact
tracing, testing, contact tracing, not letting anything in or out. The thing that looks really
dumb, when we were first talking about this idea, when we heard they were thinking about creating a
bubble to have the end of the season and the playoffs in, we like well clearly they're gonna have it in new zealand
because that's the only place that has fully like gotten this under control and instead they have it
in florida in the center of florida which is uh i think yesterday it had more positive or last week
it had more positive tests than all of western Europe, like Florida as a state by itself.
It's totally like the worst, like literally the worst location they could have chosen.
Yeah, it's not great, but at the very least they have shut down access to that part of Walt Disney World.
So you're hopeful that they can control it.
But baseball teams are still going to be traveling.
They're going to be playing in their own home parks,
which is what's happening in soccer in the Premier League in the UK.
But the difference is that country is very small compared to the United States.
There won't be a lot of travel in the way that there is here where you're going from California to Arizona to Texas to Florida, you know,
all of these different places. The chances of contracting the virus go up exponentially every
time you leave the house, let alone get in an airplane, get on a bus, go into a locker room it's just maddeningly stupid and this whole process this whole experience
this pandemic has reinforced for me that sports is not important yeah it seems important because
the media and the sports leagues uh have a vested interest in making it important to you and making
it vital to your life and and and having it seem
as though the the wins and losses of your team are are your wins and your losses but in reality
this stuff is just a diversion it's just a fun pleasant afternoon uh at home or or out at the
stadium it is not life and death life and death are real things that are happening every day and
yeah it just gets worse and worse i was pleased with how easy it was for me to drop sports from the things i gave a shit
about there for four months and i'm i'm even wondering if i want to pick it back up like i
haven't read much nba bubble content i'm wondering if i should just you know keep just watch the
vlogs watch the vlogs watch the vlogs and keep it as background
noise but not really like get invested like the way i did it's hard to get invested in in
something frivolous or trivial when you know the fate of the world is at stake every day
yeah um what is something you think is underrated dave Schilling? Silence. I love to talk.
I like to hear people talk.
But I don't give myself any time to sit in silence.
And I'm constantly filling gaps in my day.
If I'm not busy, I'm finding something to be busy with.
If I'm trying to write, I'll distract myself with something else.
There are so many times when I could just like sit in silence and just
meditate or ruminate on the state of things.
And I don't do it.
And I think people should do that.
It would be nice if people took a little bit more time to not do
something.
Right.
I'm definitely in the phase of the pandemic where of,
of the like quarantine shutdown,
where like I started out i was like all
right this will last for a couple weeks and like i was you know not doing anything wasn't particularly
productive then i went into a phase where i was like all right i'm meditating i'm doing you know
like this is an opportunity to improve and then the past few weeks has just been a complete disaster um so i just you you were talking
about having low energy days i've i've been having uh a low energy july yeah it's unfortunate
that at the beginning there was almost a weird sense of optimism that oh this is gonna be great
and we're gonna have you know some fun inside we can watch
movies and read books and there was that stupid ass viral tweet about uh shakespeare and it's
like oh i could be so productive and i was very productive for the first couple months and then
i think it was this month for me too where the dawning realization of this not ending anytime
soon really hit me yeah and uh yeah the walls start to close in on
you at some point um and you're like oh no this is this is really just my life now is being on
the track going from point a to point b over and over and over and over and over again so i recommend
everybody out there that's listening to this take a a second to be silent with your mind and with your entertainment and all the things.
Just stop doing stuff for a while.
Yeah.
And then that might refresh you.
I'm going to try to do that myself after this is over is bury my head in the metaphorical sand and hopefully come back out with some renewed sense of purpose.
and hopefully come back out, you know, with some renewed sense of purpose.
Yeah, I think, you know, it's important to in when we're like sort of locked up inside and we get really anxious or thinking about the things we could be or should be doing.
I think really, really letting go of that idea and actually, you know, taking the time,
like if those thoughts are entering your head to say, yeah, that may seem more feasible when things are
quote unquote normal. But at this point, that's really not what is in order right now. And it
feels weird because it's the antithesis of how we've been operating for pretty much most of our
entire lives for most people. So yeah, being able to let that go and being accepting that you know you have to tell
yourself too is like it's okay it's not just sort of saying like oh i'm stressed like you have to
tell yourself like out loud i'm okay with that because i understand what's going on but that's
not that doesn't have to define this entire thing like that's just my natural response and that's
okay it doesn't have to be like i think a lot of times you're like i'm stressed fuck it i don't want to be stressed how am i not i don't like to be stressed how do i
fucking end my stress like no take it first as like it's cool if i'm stressed first take that
on and then it'll it'll slowly dissipate don't do don't do the panic mode about not wanting to be
stressed i do talk to myself out loud but it sounds like that last voice you were using. I'm like, come on, man, what are you doing? What is it?
Well, you fucking idiot.
You're wasting your retired life.
You sound like Jimmy Cagney again.
Oh, yeah, come on.
Come on.
And finally, what is a myth?
What's something people think is true,
you know to be false, or vice versa, Dave?
There's a misconception that you can't enjoy socializing on a zoom call i think that's
not that's not true there are ways to do it uh there are ways to have fun having remote social
activities with people unfortunately most of the time it's like i invited 37 of my best friends in
the whole world and we're all gonna do a dress-up party or i'm gonna play music for time it's like, I invited 37 of my best friends in the whole world and we're all going to do a dress up party or I'm going to play music for everyone.
It's going to be so fun.
That's not fun.
You know what that is?
That's too many people to ever have a conversation.
obnoxious of the 37 people you invited who's just screaming jokes at you and trying to tell you about their kid and how he's potty training or oh boy guess what i did i rearranged all my books and
now they're color-coded or you know whatever the thing is you can't enjoy anybody like that
have a small group i i do a thing where every two or three weeks i get the same three people together and the four of us
have a conversation and it's very relaxed and it's good and we get to catch up and it feels like you
have human contact for a while the only other human contact i have is doing podcasts right you know
so that's that's work you know uh so you have to do some things where it's just a couple people you
can have a real conversation where you're able to have a transference of emotion and actually talk
to each other but if it's 37 people and it's like i'm here for my birthday and oh look at my cool
background it's it's after 20 minutes that gets real fucking old it's so exhausting and half the
time you're looking at like the gallery view and like you're looking to like whoever you're with like who the fuck is that
yeah who is that person i did this talking my girlfriend had a birthday and i invited
a couple people who didn't know anybody else and they just sat there in silence and i'm like i'm
ruining their night yeah right if i had just not invited them they would have not cared but then
i invited them they had to sit there and pet their cat and wait for their postmates to show up instead of having a conversation
because you can't introduce yourself on a zoom call right unless you're the loudest motherfucker
on the planet which i am so i'm fine with it but nobody else is uh all right guys let's take a
quick break and we'll be right back.
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And we're back so you know in sad news uh one of the 140 000 people who passed away
was stephen miller's grandmother stephen miller obviously you know a creepy white supremacist
uh but oh come on come apparently call him by his formal name
Teenage Mutant Ninja Goebbels
that's what he does
he's just the architect of all like the racist
xenophobic speeches
so he's like the splinter
of the group yeah well actually Jeff Sessions
is because that's splinter
because he sharpened his racist
tools working for Jeff Sessions
and then Jeff Sessions is like you might like this ghoul kid for your speeches.
And then he moved on over to the White House.
But yeah, his his uncle has had like this really they've had a very publicly like turbulent relationship.
Like he's written op eds about, you know, my nephew's a fucking joke.
Like he's you know, don't let him fool you with this immigrant stuff. Like he descends from immigrants and he should be proud of that,
et cetera. And then, so when his grandmother died, it's his maternal and Stephen Miller's
maternal grandmother died. His uncle, you know, posted this, had made a post and made it very
clear how he feels just saying, quote, quote, this morning, my mother, Ruth Glosser died of
the late effects of COVID-19. Like so many thousands of other people, quote, this morning, my mother, Ruth Glosser, died of the late effects of
COVID-19 like so many thousands of other people, both young and old. She survived with acute
infection, but was left with lung and neurological damage that destroyed her will to eat and her
ability to breathe well enough to sustain arousal and consciousness. Over an eight-week period,
she gradually slipped away and died peacefully this morning. With the death of my mother,
I'm angry and outraged at Stephen directly and the administration he has devoted his energy to supporting.
That was that jumps down a little bit in the post, but basically saying like you're this is I really hold you and this administration you work for accountable for your grandmother's death.
on that. The response, this is the response from the White House asking, hey, you know,
Stephen Miller, your uncle's saying it's probably the president's fault for what happened to your grandmother dying. What do you have to say? The White House says, quote, this is categorically
false and a disgusting use of so-called journalism when the family deserves privacy to mourn the loss
of a loved one. His grandmother did not pass away from COVID. She was diagnosed with COVID in March and passed away in July, so that timeline does not add up at all. His
grandmother died peacefully in her sleep from old age. I would hope that you would choose not to go
down this road. Again, this is categorically false. She had a mild case of COVID-19 in March.
She was never hospitalized and made a full and quick recovery.
A mild case, so they didn't even...
Couldn't even, yeah, the actual typo in there.
Right.
And then, yeah, his uncle even pulled out the death certificate,
like literal death receipts to say that respiratory arrest due to COVID.
And this is just, you know, I think part and parcel. I was always wondering,
I'm like, what happens when someone who works in that administration, you know,
loses a family member? Like what, what is that thought process exactly?
They're going to do exactly this. They're going to fall in line. They're going to
say nothing themselves directly. They're going to have a spokesperson say it through some sort of
generic and hateful statement like this. And they're going to hope that it goes away because
that is really what defines people who thrive in the Trump administration is sycophants.
They couldn't even find a way to make Steve Bannon work because Steve Bannon was too narcissistic and into himself
it's really the people who were willing to subjugate their entire personality
give up their families give up their identity in favor of this man who doesn't even seem to
understand what's happening any at any given period of time and had to invent a story
about why he thinks a simple cognitive test was was the most important test right that's ever
been created like this is the person that they have decided to give up everything for and that's
shocking to me that this they've chosen donald trump of all people to be the person that will
cause them to
turn their backs on their families and and to turn their backs on themselves as human beings
it's cult stuff but it's the he's the shittiest cult leader of all time like i i l ron hubbard
was more charismatic than donald trump right i think there must be something charismatic that
doesn't like appeal to us but that because i mean it's it feels like
yes he burns down every life that he comes into contact with and has influence over but he has
been given access and influence to so many lives over and over again that there must be like some
predatory you know system that he has uh evolved over over the course of his life to make it possible
for him to just sway this many people. Because it's certainly not evident to us, to people
watching from a distance. But I mean, I guess this this also is represents something that's happening to Americans across the country whose whose family will no longer talk to them because they're Trump supporters.
Yeah, I mean, I think there's there's a certain element of tearing people down and building them back up in your own image. if you destroy someone's self-esteem thoroughly enough they will come looking to you to refill
what is now missing in your soul and i think that's probably what he does because that's
unfortunately what a lot of people in hollywood do right a lot of agents a lot of producers a lot
of studio heads you know that is the way they, they get allegiance and control is from ruining your self esteem,
saying you're an idiot,
constantly second guessing you,
uh,
constantly nitpicking everything that you do.
And then when you get even the smallest sliver of positive reinforcement,
you're like,
Oh,
I love this person.
This is my mentor.
I just,
I can't get enough of,
of this human being who makes me
feel like absolute dog shit right yeah the idea of someone's going ah that's my mentor right there
that's my guy right here big dt hitching my star this one or my whatever it is wagon ask his kids
like his kids are clearly uh victims of this they wouldn't see themselves as victims but they are because
you think he treats them better than he treats stephen miller or he treats jeff sessions when
he was still around or treats anybody william barr no of course not he treats everybody equally
like garbage and then demands fealty uh and and demands complete subjugation like i said it's like it's it sucks
because those kids are suffering those i mean i mean you look at don jr and like the way that
like don't make me look at him the way he's chasing that dragon of daddy's hug that he just
can't seem to get his hands on you know what i mean like i guess in that similar way it's like everyone there's an appeal where it's like he can represent this sort of aloof parent that people
wanted a relationship with and also like there's a combination of this mystique of this dated you
know 80s wheeler dealer you know super capitalist guy that i think also is hypnotic to a certain
kind of person you can tell because like it seems like some people are just sort of stuck in that idealized mindset of like
yeah donald trump is like the sickest kind of like american you could be yeah yeah it's him or kid
rock right right uh i think you look across the board at any authoritarian throughout history
and that is the thing that they all have in common is this way in which they replace your father.
The person in your life that's supposed to make you feel good about yourself.
Or that's supposed to make you feel strong or whatever.
And it always works better on men than it does on women.
And there are women out there who, you know, see him as a father figure or find him sexually attractive.
But those things seem so foreign to you and I and anybody else.
Half the country thinks he's a moron.
The other half of the country thinks he's infallible.
And that's, I guess, the only way that authoritarianism works in America
is if you game the system enough that you convince half the country
that you're right.
The other half of the country can go to hell.
Right.
All right, let's move on to Florida specifically.
It reached a single-day record.
I mean, it keeps topping its single-day record
for deaths from the virus Thursday
with 173 new deaths
as well as 10,250 new cases of the virus. People are getting more restless as
their unemployment benefits dry up and as the state officials are still pushing forward with
considering school reopenings. So a poll recently came out, and we don't like to put too much stock in polling, but it is at least worth keeping an eye on, that it seems like this is having an effect, right? terms of the cases and how the governor, Ron DeSantis, was handling things. But it has completely
gone lopsided now. So now only 38% of respondents in a poll said that they approve of his handling
of the virus. 57% said they disapprove. In April, 41% disapproved. So that's a pretty significant
swing. But I think all this to say is these people, there are many people who are finding themselves in a state where they are just, you know, constantly burying their head in their palms being like, what is going on? Like, really, this the governor is saying this out loud. We're really talking about sending kids to school and putting everyone at risk.
to school and putting everyone at risk. And, you know, I think in the beginning it was fine because people were really stuck on this like reopening, like rah, rah, we got to get the
economy going. But like that momentum has definitely dissipated to a certain extent.
Like now, since that argument has really worn thin, people are like, what are we doing here?
Like, it just feels really, really dark. And in terms of like the reopening, 61% of these respondents in the poll said the
reopening of Florida, which was one of the earliest, was just totally premature. And then
only 31 said it was about the right pace and six said it was too slow. So even now the public
opinion is sort of like, you completely botched the reopening, you're forcing things open,
you're not doing anything that makes sense in terms of containment or contact tracing or anything. And so it's starting to affect Florida and by extension, the presidential race, because Joe Biden is leading by 13 points, 51 to 38 percent in a Quinnipiac poll. I mean, that's just, again, a snapshot. But it's just
like I think that it just shows you that even in a state that in the beginning felt very in support
of like what the administration was doing, once those really bad decisions start affecting their
lives, it's not helping the numbers by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how much they talk
about Wall Street or whatever. Yeah. And it doesn't help that their governor looks like whenever he gives a press conference he's just
watched the last 10 minutes of requiem for a dream again he looks like like like it's the same thing
the same thing as bush uh when he was told about the first plane hitting the world trade center there's just like yeah oh i
don't know what to do i got donald trump uh chewing me out every day saying you need to reopen you
gotta do this this is what you have to do to succeed i need you you if you don't do these
things i'm gonna bury you for the rest of your career and then he's got his constituents who
were like you please stop letting us die. Please do something.
And he can't, he doesn't know what to do.
He's not a politician with any skill or finesse or confidence or understanding of how politics works, which is the one thing that connects everything with this crisis is we have people in important jobs who do not understand how politics works.
They do not understand how governance works.
They don't understand the simple job, not simple, but the vital job of making a state or a city or a county run efficiently.
They're not prepared for this crisis.
They are not interested in meeting the moment.
They're not interested in solutions.
They're interested in reelections.
They're interested in consolidating their power, moving up the ladder.
They're careerists above all else.
And that is the problem with someone like Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles.
Eric Garcetti never wanted to be mayor of Los Angeles.
No one who runs for mayor of Los Angeles actually wants the job because it sucks.
You're beholden to the police union.
You're beholden to developers.
You're beholden to business people.
You're beholden to celebrities. you're beholden to celebrities you don't get to
do anything you just get to go throw out the first pitch at dodgers games and guest star on modern
family every once in a while that's all you get to do and then maybe if you're lucky at the end of
it you get to go be governor of california or a senator or if you're like really lucky president
of the united states and so eric garcetti runs for mayor and he's like all right i'm just gonna do
this for a few years and then then i gotta punch my ticket to washington
and then this happens and he's not prepared he doesn't know what to do because he's never had
to actually run a city before so he's just like so completely out of his depth unwilling to make
the hard decisions anymore caved immediately to business interests who said
please just reopen just reopen stop the protest please reopen and we're suffering because of that
ron de santa same thing he doesn't know what he's doing he has no clue but he's just going to
continue pretending like he does and giving us that dead-eyed stare like he's a hostage
that he's being forced to be governor of Florida. No one's forcing you
to be governor of Florida, dude. You can quit today. You can go home and play golf for the
rest of your life. You can die at 79 or 80 on a golf course and you'll be so happy.
It just really turned on a lot of these folks really fast. Prior to his mishandling of the coronavirus, he was being talked about as one of the top candidates for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024.
And then he was asked to actually do something.
What's weird because there used to be like, there were Republicans who actually like interested in politics and like governance, you know, to your point, Dave.
And now it's just like a bunch of people cosplaying as politicians who find themselves actually in office and like, oh, shit.
Yeah.
I just liked like talking spicy and pretending I was like a Trump, you know, junior.
And that should actually worked to this point.
And now I'm like fuck i honestly i was
just kind of here to you know have some hot takes get some photos and feel really powerful the whole
like having the responsibility of taking care of constituents part i am do not absolutely do not
fuck with at all i'm here for the photos it's a's a grift. It's always been a grift for these
people. It starts at the top
with Donald Trump and it goes all the way down to
the rest of these people who got swept in
in his wake.
We're starting to see them as frauds.
They are the frauds we always thought they were.
People need to check
the footnotes
for this link off to a Yahoo
article.
That's really a great case study in how the priorities of the leadership all the way at the top kind of trickled down and uh in
this case made any sort of uh coronavirus response completely you know just uh burned it down when it
was just kind of getting going. There's this
woman, Rebecca Jones, we've talked about before. She's a 30-year-old kind of wunderkind who put
their best in, put this like best-in-class dashboard together that basically you could
go on this dashboard and find out anything you wanted to about coronavirus in florida and it was like
the best in of any state she had kind of uh built it herself behind the scenes because uh she knew
that the administration that desantis wasn't like that wasn't a priority of his uh and then it just
got systematically corrupted uh you know her higher-ups, who were closer to DeSantis, were like, you have to change the data so that these rural counties seem like they have better numbers so that we can reopen there because it's going to be politically problematic for him to reopen these urban counties counties but not the rural ones because rural
is more republican leaning and so it's gonna you know uh fuck with his base and it she eventually
pushed back until she was fired um and then when she just sent an email out to her like a handful of researchers that she worked with just explaining
what had happened uh and the media got wind of it they went full trumpian uh counter-attack they
dug up a um criminal case that was pending against her about like from a bad relationship she was in and just really went scorched earth just to try and
tear her character down. And just an incredible story and also a good example of, yeah, like I
was saying earlier, in a functional administration, a functional any sort of organization this would have been a thing that you highlight uh
duplicate and then bring this person who has like this these incredible gifts uh forward to do more
and instead they isolated it kind of sabotaged it and then fired the person and that's how you end
up with exactly what she said was going to happen back when she built the database and was kind of arguing with them, you're going to have numbers like this.
And sure enough, those numbers are exactly what we're seeing right now.
Nah, nah. Here's the thing with the data and the truth. If people find out about it,
then they're not going to listen to me anymore. So I got to just dead that right there in its
tracks. I mean, it's like they have to have these people living in like the village like the mni shamalan movie right where it's like yo up in here when you follow this
party there's just the reality is just way different in here because that's the only way
you're gonna fuck with staying over here uh because if you found out how everybody else is
living you might not like this anymore but yeah just that dedication to snuffing out truth and
even in something like this, where it's helpful,
you know, it just shows you again, we're constantly every day. I think that's the
other part is we're, we're before it was easy to be like, you know, say, or not that it was easier
when the Republicans would have any kind of policy or bill or whatever, you could see the
lack of humanity or empathy that was there. And it always sort of there but now when we're just talking about like you just have to be honest
here to prevent the loss of life and they're not willing to do that it really underscores what the
end game is and it's just that's what i think makes it really disturbing now it's like yeah
they're waiting at the clock and they don't care yeah they're waiting at the clock. People are dying and they don't care. Yeah, they're waiting at the clock. They're hoping, okay, if we can get a vaccine approved by November or late October.
October surprise.
Yeah, the October surprise will be the vaccine being approved magically.
If we can at least say we have a vaccine, people will be happy and they will vote us all back into office.
But that's not going to
happen that that is it's unlikely that they will approve anything before the election you know
most people say the earliest you we can get a vaccine is december for something approved not
even produced and and distributed but approved uh but if the plan yeah they're just it feels like
like a thing like a like a desperate
divorcee dad like a plan he hatches to get his kids back like like the mrs doubt fire of dealing
with the pandemic i don't know man maybe this will work and we'll get back in power and like
no fool just do the uh just do the fucking right thing i was gonna say it's sort of like when your
mom says you gotta clean your room your room's Your room's filthy. And you're like, okay, I know what to do.
I'll hide all my filthy clothes and magazines and video games and candy wrappers and shit under my bed.
And then it won't be there.
She won't see it.
And then I can pull it all out when it's over.
And she will forget that she ever wanted me to clean my room.
All I have to do is dupe her for a few minutes and then she'll go away.
But this is not going go away killed people they
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And so real quick, we just we got an update from the White House about the statement that the president sent out to Ghislaine Maxwell saying that he honestly wishes her the best.
Wish her well, man.
They clarified.
What was their clarification?
Was he joking this time?
Well, I don't know.
Kayleigh McEnany goes on brett bayer on fox news and
even he's like you know just kind of he's like he's like you gotta admit like it's just kind of
a weird answer like hold on let me hold on let me just just you can hear him say it and her answer
is really something else he said i just wish her well frankly i wish her well that raised some
eyebrows kayla well what the president was noting is that the last person who was charged in this
case uh ended up dead in a jail cell and the president wants justice to be served for the
victims in this case and he prefers this to play out in a courtroom and that's have you talked to
him about that i have spoken to him about that because a lot of people were
saying it just seemed a strange answer but and i would and let me know one more thing brett you
know this president is the president that uh that banned jeffrey epstein from coming to mar-a-lago
this president uh was always um on top of this ahead of this noting uh this banning this man
from his property long before this case was even being played out in a court of law ignore all the years that he was his best friend right and what what you also could
have put out uh yes jeffrey epstein might have uh eventually banned him but uh jis lane maxwell who
we are actually talking about recruited one of their most abused victims from mar-a-lago so uh that i don't
understand i mean because yeah brett bayer was even like i mean it's kind of weird fool like i
don't know how's he gonna say that you know what i i am at a loss for words folks uh what like he
was for real though kaylee and he's like and you talk wait but like you talk, he was for real, though, Kaylee? And he's like, and you talk, wait, but like, you talk to him?
Like, for real, though? Yeah, and I spoke to him
and like, I'll have you know, like, he knew Jeffrey
Epstein was creepy, like, the first
20 years they hung out.
And then he, then something happened with
Ivanka, and then that's when he
finally decided this dude was banned from Mar-a-Lago.
Or whatever that rumor is about
the two of them. But even in the way he speaks
about her when he's asked the question in that press briefing,
it's like he refers to Jeffrey Epstein
as being like, yeah, and they were,
they were like, I guess they live together.
But we talked about this yesterday.
Which one is it?
Like, what does this response mean?
I have a theory.
The theory is Donald Trump is a very stupid person.
I think that we can all agree on that.
He's not a very sharp man.
And so when someone asks him a question, he is uncomfortable answering.
He has been trained to say, I wish them well.
I hope for the best.
You know what?
I hope that God shines his light upon her.
that God shines his light upon her.
That's all he's going to be able to say because he can't form a coherent thought
that articulates what he should be saying
for political purposes.
So he just defaults to this kind of generic,
positive sentiment.
But that doesn't work with someone
who is being accused of sex trafficking.
That doesn't, we don't want you to wish
the sex trafficker well and on the
other side now people are saying oh that was that was mafia style intimidation and he's sending her
a message to from from the the white house to prison saying if you if you behave i i won't
have you executed or i will pardon you or something so So he just doesn't. He is very, very dumb.
He is the person who in that interview about the test
starts rattling off clearly fake questions from the test
because he named things that were in his peripheral vision
as he was talking to the reporter.
So this is the Chris Wallace interview from over last weekend, right?
Where Trump bragged about how hard he aced the test
that they gave him, the cognitive test,
and how some of the questions were so hard
that they didn't expect anybody to be able to answer them,
but he got them.
And Chris Wallace was like,
sir, I took the test just to see what it was like and the
questions like it's a pretty easy test man it's like what one of them was what is this thing and
it was a lion and he just had to say it's a lion another yeah but what is that thing though another
of them was count backwards by seven from 100 and trump was like yeah man exactly like you
know yeah i killed that chris is very hard very hard 100 7 7 6 5 4 through what these are these
are games that i play with my two-year-old it's like what color is that fire truck it's red oh good job because he's learning what colors are and what
what objects are this man saying he knows what a lion is being some kind of badge of honor just
bums me out so much um yeah and i mean he's i i would love to see the test i would love to
because they they have reproduced a similar test.
I don't know if we've seen the exact test.
I mean, if it's similar, I can imagine it's probably very similar.
It can't be too different, right?
If we can get the Snyder Cut released on HBO Max,
we can get that fucking test out.
Yeah, release the test.
All right, let's switch over to the world of popular culture
tenet is a chris nolan movie that is done it's finished it's in the can uh literally like the
film is in the canisters ready to be projected uh into theaters and it's being held back because of
COVID-19 because of the
global pandemic that is happening
the movie I hadn't realized
this cost 205 million
dollars
that's before marketing
right so they got
they got some money to make
off this thing
and it's it's an interesting
risk because it's like a big like that's that's a lot of money to spend on a thing where i can't
even explain to somebody what it is like what the movie is it's like yeah well it's like same with
the matrix written forward and uh oh oh it's it's the new film from visionary director christopher nolan that's all
you need to say yeah right yeah totally oh i'm i'm so excited about it i just that's a that's a big
they took a gamble uh and that now they're getting fucked by an unforeseen and unforeseeable
circumstances uh but so so now people are trying to figure out what what they're
going to do with the movie basically yeah they're you know you got a blockbuster film that you just
know if it comes out and theaters were open it does what it needs to do and it's fine everyone
can go back to their desks but uh you know there's rumors that first that it could possibly be put on
hbo max just to go like,
let people need to see it. Let's put it on HBO max. It can draw a lot of subscribers in that,
that, that, that, that. And I think, you know, Matt, while that, it was a nice idea. The CEO
of AT&T, which is the parent company of Warner brothers was basically saying, uh, I'd be very
surprised if that would be the case in terms of tenant or like wonder woman going to streaming.
very surprised if that would be the case in terms of tenant or like wonder woman going to streaming in fact i can assure you with tenant that's not going to be the case so you know i get it trolls
did well uh and some other things did actually you know decent job performing by streaming but
yeah i think tenant is just it's weird because even if it was streaming part of me would want
to just abstain because i'd want to see it and i i just want to see it in a large format so i don't know you know i guess people will have to wait and see or people
can just sit really close to their tvs and pretend they're at the movie theater i want to watch it
on my phone while i'm taking a dump in in 10 to 15 minute increments in quibbies as god intended
god being jeffrey Katzenberg. Yeah.
Yeah, I just don't know about this whole thing.
I'm sure he has some language in his contract that says it has to be released theatrically.
Just put it out in China.
They'll love it.
Right, anywhere else.
Like, yeah, it just becomes this coveted thing
that we just don't have in the US.
Maybe that'll put pressure from, like like dudes on the internet to go after
the administration get this pandemic in order man yeah everyone's watching tenant but me man
i can't fucking go on reddit anymore everything's a fucking spoiler we get everything ahead of time
or before the rest of the world maybe a little taste of our own medicine would be nice could
you imagine like what if that's the thing that suddenly wakes a bunch of people up?
They're like, what?
Another?
No.
You gotta wait till when?
It's not gonna be it.
You know what it's gonna be?
Is if we have to shut down Pornhub.
That would be the end of this mask rebellion in a second.
If people were told that they couldn't watch
free pornography on the internet,
everybody would wear a mask yeah
all right real quick before we go miles what are we uh watching this weekend uh for people to watch
with us i am going to begin you know i love i love reality and anything involving romance and
reality is right up my alley so indian matchmaking, I'm going to dive in and just check out a couple episodes.
I'll probably end up watching everything.
I don't know if I'll watch everything in time,
but yes,
this is,
I'll be watching Indian matchmaking.
Awesome.
I'll be watching Palm Springs on Hulu.
I've been recommended that by Hulu and a bunch of other people.
So we're going to check that out.
Well,
Dave,
it has been a pleasure
having you on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you and follow you uh you can find
me on twitter at dave underscore shilling and uh my podcast full court chat with dave shilling is
dropping season two the premiere on july 30th uh in time for the restart of the NBA season.
It's a sports improv comedy podcast that I believe you'll like very much.
What is a sports improv comedy podcast?
Good question.
It is a parody of sports podcasts and talk shows where I play a version of
myself.
It's slightly more obnoxious and I interview either comedians impersonating real
athletes or coming up with characters is sort of in a comedy bang bang kind of way.
Got it. Yeah. Awesome. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?
Yes, I actually have one planned. It's from Cullen Crawford. He was very funny,
used to be a writer for the Colbert show. And he tweeted on the 22nd. It's funny Cullen Crawford. He was very funny. He used to be a writer for the Colbert Show.
And he tweeted on the 22nd,
It's funny to me that the Marines figured out a macho way to all yell hooray together.
Hoorah!
Yeah, exactly.
Miles, where can people find you and follow you?
And what's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Find me Twitter, Instagram, Miles of Grey.
Also, the other podcast, 420 Day Fiance.
No, I'm talking about 90 Day Fiance.
The Trash Nominon.
It's the Trash Word Nominon.
Whoa.
Okay, so a tweet I like is from at Ben underscore Rosen.
It says, Republicans, we're having the military throw protesters in unmarked vans.
Democrats, mark the vans.ans oh it's bleak but yeah that's what it
feels like no it's actually no that's what it is that's what it is actually uh you can find me on
twitter jack underscore o'brien a tweet i've been enjoying jaw jaw too solid tweeted cnn said the world is 217 trillion dollars in
debt who the fuck do we owe thanos uh you can find me word the way underscore o'brien you can
find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook
fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes we link off to the
information that we talked about in today's episodes as well as the song we ride out on miles
what are we riding out on today the song we're going to go out on is from new young pony club
and it's called get lucky it's not the the other one from daft punk those are different ones came
out before and has a much nicer electro-punk vibe,
so you can get your vacuuming on or your laundry full
and whatever housework.
Nice.
All right.
Well, we're going to ride out on that.
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