The Daily Zeitgeist - Literal Culture Wars, Tom Cruise Spousal Wishlist 7.20.18

Episode Date: July 20, 2018

In episode 194, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Dave Huntsberger to discuss a case of reefer madness in Oklahoma, how conservatives are starting to edge towards Putin's ideologies, how white nat...ionalism is on the rise, QAnon merch being sold on Amazon, bloidwatch, and more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was assassinated. Crooks Everywhere unearthed the plot to murder a one-woman WikiLeaks. She exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. Listen to Crooks Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. woman had done before, tried to assassinate the President of the United States. One was the protege of Charles Manson. 26-year-old Lynette Fromm, nicknamed Squeaky. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer, this season on the new podcast, Rip Current. Hear episodes of Rip Current early and completely ad-free and receive exclusive bonus content by subscribing to iHeart True Crime Plus, only on Apple Podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Sword Quest.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Because the company had promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared, leading to one of the biggest controversies in 80s pop culture. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.
Starting point is 00:01:52 People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 40, Episode 5 of The Daily Zeitgeist. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:18 For July 20th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Captain Jack Sparrow O'Brien. That is courtesy of nobody in particular. And I am thrilled. That's actually their name. At Snopoxados. Yeah. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Cut Miles' life in two pieces.
Starting point is 00:02:41 This is my last graze or suffocation. No breathing. Don't give a jack if I cut my last grazer. Suffocation. No breathing. Don't give a jack if I cut my O'Brien. Oh my goodness, Papa Roach. Shout out to C Welds. At C Welds. Chris Weldon for that one because that was a well done AKA.
Starting point is 00:03:00 That was great, fam. Thank you. And we are thrilled to have in our third seat joining us again, the hilarious stand-up comedian Dave Huntsberger. Hello. Hey. Damn it, I don't have a song ready. Oh, you look like a fool. I feel like a fool.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Did you hear my bop-a-roach? Bop-a? Oh, bop-a. I'm sorry. I can't talk. It's Friday. Dave, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. But first, we like to take our listeners through what they're in store for.
Starting point is 00:03:27 We are going to talk about a law being passed in Oklahoma, a couple of ballot initiatives or a ballot initiative that is straight out of the 1940s movie Reefer Madness or whenever that movie came out. I'll make you crazy. We're going to talk about how the world of where everything was organized around nations might be breaking down and a new way to see that the world is organized these days we're going to talk about in that context whether the intelligence community is
Starting point is 00:03:57 going rogue whether white supremacists have their own little veins of power in the government. Yeah, I think they do. And in the police. And we're going to talk about some dope new merch that you can cop on Amazon. People have been asking when they can get some Daily Zeitgeist merch. Well, we've got the next best thing coming to you a little later in a story about QAnon. We are going to talk about just the fact that child separation is still a thing and how that's going. Not well. Not well at all. And then we're going
Starting point is 00:04:32 to do some Bloidwatch. But first up, Dave, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Man, mostly just restaurants or places to go i never i said this last time i i'm almost never like trying to inform myself i was like oh yeah what is that thing and looking it up i don't know why but i just you know everything i don't i know very little and i if i get also like a very curious person yeah intellectually curious what do you just go to the library? Just whatever's in front of me. I read like magazines. I have piles of them.
Starting point is 00:05:10 I just read an article here or there. I don't like get it and immediately plow through it. And then like whatever book I'm into at the time, I read that. But then when I go on the internet, I'm never – even if I'm reading a story, that's maybe something I'll Google where I'm like, what's a word they just used there? But I can't think of one off the top of my head. So what restaurants are you searching? Yeah, usually it's just things that are open near me. Things that are open near me. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Is there Indian food near me? Things like that. It's just really, really banal stuff. What was the last thing you Dewey Decimal systemed? I mean, that would have been in like third grade or something. So that's not how you find your books? Nah. No, you just go up and say, I need this.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Where is it? My girlfriend just checked out this book called Sum for me. S-U-M, written by this- Oh yeah, David Eagleman? That sounds right. It's about the afterlife and stuff? Yeah. So I'm excited about that.
Starting point is 00:06:01 He has a great nonfiction book called Incognito that I highly recommend if you like that. Or if you don't, I still recommend it. What's your favorite dish at Indian food? I just like this. I'd have to know. There's an episode of Peep Show where he's like, ah, chicken, take a masala. The most boring thing you can eat. Or something like that.
Starting point is 00:06:24 I was like, ah, god damn it. I feel like if you just eat all the foods, if you have all the different types of foods, you're allowed to have like, all right, I get chicken pad thai and I get chicken tikka masala. And I like, I don't know, maybe lamb vindaloo a little bit. But I really like chicken tikka masala. And I like it real spicy. Yeah, there you go. Well, then vindaloo is, you know, obviously the hot, the one that brings the heat.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Oh, okay. Yeah. I feel like the places we get it from, even though we're ordering through the internet, they're like, these people sound- Can't handle it. Yeah, they can't handle it. So they give us a step down from like, I'd like it hot. Yeah, if you do it, just in the thing say, I can handle hot.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Just let them know, because I love hot food too. Especially like Thai food places or Indian places where they're like, look, we eat it a little bit differently than you. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to destroy my mouth. I've been to Thailand. I get it. Yeah, I've been to Thailand once.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Yeah. My wife has to. My wife. Wow, is that Sasha over there? Oh, yeah. No, but she does that when ordering because that's the only way they'll trust you. Except sometimes they will get passive aggressive and you'll be like, no, no, trust me. Like, I can take the heat.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Right. Oh, yeah. You think you can take the heat? Okay. We're going to troll you with this food. I personally also like chicken tikka masala. Miles, what is like a cool Indian dish to say is your favorite Indian dish? I was just out in the UK, bruv.
Starting point is 00:07:45 And my goodness, I had a lamb chop that normally we don't have lamb chops in the US. Like they put lamb, like pieces of lamb meat in like a dish. But seldom do you go to have like the restaurants that we go to or have available to us, like in the sort of mainstream Indian that we have in America. They don't have the lamb chop. Now, my man, the lamb chop itself, wow, is better. It's the best way to have a lamb chop is Indian style. I personally, I'm a korma guy.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Korma. Yeah. I like the creaminess. I'm just going to write that down and that'll be my answer. Korma with a K. Have you had Indy mechs? It's not too far from here. Oh, on Cuenca?
Starting point is 00:08:18 Yeah. Yeah. Like Tex-Mex, but Indy? Yeah. Really? It's fantastic. They mash it up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:23 You can get like, it's like chicken tikka masala fries, but also then they have like little quesadillas and stuff. Or a burrito that's like naan bread for the tortilla. Pretty fantastic. That sounds really good. Yeah. I was real into sushi burritos for like a month. Okay, food truck boy.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Back when they first came out. You mean that one food truck that was doing it out here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's in Japanese is what we would refer to as a Shonda. What is that? That means shame in Yiddish. Oh, okay. Dave, what's something that's overrated?
Starting point is 00:08:55 I really press my mind on this because I think a lot about things that I hate. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're overrated and people might not even know of them. Right. But I feel like those stupid Yeezy shoes. Ooh. People love those. They cost a lot of money. Every time I see them, they look ridiculous to me.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Which one are we talking about? Because there are many Yeezys now. That's true. I'm going primarily off of like- Yeezy 1, the Nike Air Yeezy, or the Adidas Yeezy? And then from there, we're talking about the Yeezy Boost, 350, 350 V2, 500, the Wave Runner, 750. All of this.
Starting point is 00:09:24 This thing, the sneaker culture and consumerism as this whole thing. I have a BlackBerry phone. That's something that's underrated, made by these nice Canadian people. They probably have it made by a bunch of people that are poorly paid. Right, right. But Steve Jobs and these jerks and putting a bunch of people in buildings they want to jump out of, so they've got to put nets in them and things. These shoes are made the same way.
Starting point is 00:09:45 And that people just line up and go, it's great. This guy, this music I like, it made him. Some of them look like they're nurses' shoes. They look absurd. The Yeezy shoes have our, there's, what's the phrase I'm looking for? Yes. Yeah, they leave a lot to be desired.
Starting point is 00:09:56 They leave a lot to be desired. Thank you so much for working that out for me. Yeah, I'm not a fan of those. Okay. But I am a fan of the other problematic brands that I'm probably the kind of consumer that you're talking about right now. Hey, we all do it.
Starting point is 00:10:09 We're all part of this. We're all contributing to it. But when people go nuts about it and revere it and stand in line to take advantage of it, that seems a little like, all right, if it's thrust upon you, that's one thing. But if you're waiting in line. Waiting in line.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Yeah, it's ridiculous. You can do more with your time so you're underrated it's gonna be Pharrell's shoes right oh NMD's what is something that's underrated
Starting point is 00:10:31 well those G-Unit Reeboks were pretty cool wow what a pull those rip off of the Gucci sneakers from the 80's yo you know
Starting point is 00:10:40 what's so funny I had those shits I was really man G-Unit had me fucked up in 2004. Was that four? Yeah, they were on it, man. They were on a rocket ship.
Starting point is 00:10:49 They were going to take over everything. Man, Get Rich or Die Trying, the high school I went to, a Catholic high school, it was the cheapest private high school in the area that you could go to. So it was not really the wealthiest kids around, but man, some of these white kids that I went to school with, they were so gassed up off that Get Rich or Die Trying album that they thought they were stick-up kids now. And we're trying to roll people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:12 All because they were just hearing, Wait, why do you remember those shoes? I think around that time I was subbing in schools where all the kids wanted to listen to me. And so I knew of it. I knew they got it. I thought that was so bizarre that a rapper got a shoe deal. Right, right, right. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:11:31 That's changing the game. Yeah, it did. And then it just kind of dissipated. It didn't go where I thought it was going to go. No, I don't think 50 Cent thought it went where he thought it would either. Is that really your underrated? I would say BlackBerry phones. BlackBerry phones.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I think they should come back. I don't know why they got us your phone. Let me see your phone. Shout out to Research in Motion, right? Isn't that the company that makes it? Standard looking phone, right? Oh shit, they went like that? And then, kaboom. Oh! That's right. He's got the actual physical keyboard.
Starting point is 00:11:57 There's a tactile keyboard. His phone just exploded. Hold on, let me get this for the gram, David. Sure. My man has the BlackBerry with the keyboard. This is the newest one. This is probably a model or two before they discontinued making hardware. And then I think they made one after this called the Classic.
Starting point is 00:12:21 But by then, people, I met, May sold 30 copies of it. Right. Or actual models. It just didn't do great at all. It's a little bit bulky. I feel like by the end they were like apologizing as they put out a new product
Starting point is 00:12:28 they were like I'm sorry this is no good sorry this is really useful and secure and totally intuitive isn't there like
Starting point is 00:12:37 a weird story about why shit went belly up over there I feel like there's like a tale about why research emotion
Starting point is 00:12:42 I feel like it's just straight up like branding and it's a good question why because it gets to the whole thing of why are we moving toward a world where there are only four companies? Is it us or is it the companies just like bodying each other out? Or is it that because there's so much information coming at us now, we just need a handful of names that we can trust or something? But like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:13:07 Blackberry should have been fine. You know, like in 2005, six Blackberries were the fucking wave. I remember when it's like, if you were balling, you're like, yo, I got the Blackberry.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Yeah. Yeah. No reason for them to have lost that. Yeah. There's not room for like a medium sized company. I think it's just that once this kind of thing came out with the touchscreens and everything, and they were sort of insisting on having physical keyboards
Starting point is 00:13:27 that like then people were just sort of like, well, it's not the shiny thing. But there are so many people who swear by the physical keyboard and who like had to be dragged across the gap to the touch screens and some people are still holding out for physical keyboards. Honestly, I think the real wave
Starting point is 00:13:43 is the jitterbug. For old people. Because you can call concierge and be like, I don't know where I am! And they'll fucking sort it out for you. That's fucking service. So don't sleep on jitterbug. That's one of my favorite joke
Starting point is 00:13:58 auto signatures on emails sent from my jitterbug. Alright, so BlackBerry's underrated. Finally, what's a myth? like signatures on emails like sent from our jitterbug. All right. So blackberries, underrated. Finally, what's a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? A friend of mine had a pretty bad head injury recently. And some of the conventional thinking, I mean, even within the science community for a long
Starting point is 00:14:17 time, this was how they thought. And then people just walking around, I think, know very little about brain injuries. But there's a myth that like where you are a year afterward is kind of where you're going to stay. Right. Well, you did all you could, but now you're always going to talk with this slur or whatever that might be. But the new research and advancements in like neuroplasticity, our brains are always open for business. We learn new languages. So a lot of the things they say, like, obviously it's's more it's just like a sponge when you're at certain ages you know you're in these kid ages especially
Starting point is 00:14:48 like four eight it really opens back up again in like 18 yeah and then it kind of closes oh right when i started doing drugs a lot right yeah but a lot of stuff you take in at that point is kind of buried in there somewhere right right and then people think like well it's closed off you can't learn new languages but it's not true. People have – I've been reading this book on neuroplasticity and this woman – there are people that have this thing where they're called wobblers, which means like your vestibular apparatus controls like your ability to move and also keep focus and know like where your body is.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Right. It's your inner ear. It's an equilibrium sort of thing. Yeah, yeah. And their inner ear would just – the nerves from there to their brain would just kind of get shot. And so they're just always falling down. They feel like they're on a ship or being thrown down. Hilarious.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Like Lucille 2 in Resident Evil. Yeah, exactly. But most of them commit suicide. It's just such an awful way to be alive. Less funny. Less funny. Yeah. But they developed this helmet with like a camera on the top.
Starting point is 00:15:43 But they developed this helmet with like a camera on the top. And then it would connect to this – it almost seemed like a tongue suppressor, just a flat little simple thing that would touch the tongue with a bunch of little electrodes on it. And as you lean forward, cameras send signals to that that like send little like bubbles like you're drinking carbonated water along your tongue that communicate to your brain stem basically like, hey, I'm leaning forward. I'm leaning backward. And the connections start to get remade. Even though those nerve endings are totally gone, our brains just figure out new ways to make the connections. Just reroutes your senses. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Or it creates a new sense for you. Yeah, a new way to perceive that sense. So you can cut like three main nerves that go to our hands. If you were to cut the middle one that's like the palm for a long time you wouldn't have any feeling there but the more you start touching stuff it would just coalesce those other two outside nerves and you're back in business you're right man you should tell rachel ray that because you know that on her fingers yeah constantly talks about her she's like i have no feeling in my hands like it's like a bit but like not because she brings it up at times you You're like, you really miss the sensation.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Like one time she's just like, I will never feel a touch of my child. No. Yeah. She'll be like at parties. I'll just put it over a fire and don't feel anything. And you're like, ooh. Great party trick. But my life is empty.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Yeah. No, that stuff's so interesting. Neuroplasticity and the guy, David Eagleman, who we were just talking about, like does a bunch of experiments with that. And his lab down in Texas has done stuff with adding senses. They've talked about just adding a sense where it's like now you know because of this belt that vibrates on your body, you inherently know where north is. So you always have a sense of true north. And then eventually it's just you pick that up.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Kanye and Kim could use that. Yeah, true north. Instead of using a leash. Where's north? There she is. But yeah, you could get the stock ticker just imported into your body. They say the way they talk about it, they're like the tongue and your back, as people call it, are really great empty slates that you can use to create,
Starting point is 00:17:44 add inputs. Wow. Yeah, so. Wow. That stuff's so interesting. And yeah, the thing about us thinking that, well, once you're a fully formed adult, like that's the end of it. I think that applies also to just how our brains work, even when we don't suffer from brain injuries. brains work even when we don't suffer from brain injuries like there are things that you can do to completely open up change the way that your your brain works and add new learning and new ways of
Starting point is 00:18:11 thinking about the world you can teach old dogs new tricks yeah so interesting stuff myth taken down boom miles let's talk about uh talk about that weed really talk about that weed it's funny because you know we've talked about how weed culture is passe. It was on a very special 4th of July episode, so not everybody listened to that. Well, if you did, you should because you could hear Nick Stumpf, a.k.a. H. John Benjamin, complain about weed and how I talk about it too much. But there's – well, first, I want to couple this with the idea that there's a new study released that showed, like, in states like Washington and Oregon, like, the police have been much more effective and responsive since weed was legalized.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Like, so people are like, oh, maybe this is giving them bandwidth to look at real shit, which is sort of, like, the conclusion of, like, these studies. I thought it just, like, helped them focus. Yeah, they're like, yeah, yeah dude this crime's low right now uh so along with that so you know i've extolled the virtues of medical marijuana here in the past uh but in in oklahoma there was a ballot initiative where the voters the people of oklahoma voted to bring in medical marijuana to the state but you know oklahoma was very red and the state legislators, were having a fucking freak out because they're like, dude, this shit, you know, what happens next? You know, the kids are there with horses.
Starting point is 00:19:31 We don't know. Up is down. Down is up. Anyway, so. They're with horses. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just trying to always, everything. Bestiality.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Yeah. It's always. I mean, that's always, I feel like, the end road with everything with, like, people on the hard right where it's like, oh, if men can get married to men, then what's stopping a dog from being with a woman? Right. So anyway, suffice it to say, they were freaking out. And they did all kinds of shit, just making it as hard as possible for people who would actually benefit from medical marijuana from obtaining it. If you're a woman, they're like, you have to get a pregnancy test before you get your
Starting point is 00:20:04 medical marijuana, or that they're trying to ban smokable forms of marijuana. So just keep it to like edible forms or like having a licensed physician on the staff of a dispensary because it's a prescription. I don't know what a pharmacist is going to know about, you know, the difference between sour diesel and Girl Scout cookies, but fine. If you're going to have to add that degree, then go ahead. So anyway, then it culminated with this woman, Julie Ezell, who was the general counsel for the State Department of Health. She had to resign last week because it came out that she was writing basically her self-threatening letters from medical marijuana advocates
Starting point is 00:20:39 to be like, you see how fucking off the rails this shit is? They were writing me letters and threatening me. But the shit that like, she was using some encrypted email service, but basically like using her phone and then like just sending it to herself and then like texting coworkers like, you got to see this email I just got. It says, we will expose your corruption and evil. We would hate to hurt a pretty lady. You will hear us. We are just beginning. And then other ones are like, you impose laws
Starting point is 00:21:08 like a dictator and respect none of them. I like that she called herself pretty in her threatening email. That's good self-image. Hell yeah, Julie. Once, basically, she came out with this, people were like, this looks like you were sending this to yourself
Starting point is 00:21:24 and I think now she's being charged, like making false statements. But again, to the state legislators of Oklahoma, I know you listen, but embrace it. It's going to help people, especially people who like really need it. Am I misunderstanding or was one of the emails you appear distinguished in glasses, wear them for the camera? Yeah, that was like a line from it. I guess to say like, as if to say like, as if to say like they were watching her when she doesn't normally wear,
Starting point is 00:21:50 he's like, you know, because I don't normally wear glasses. God. So they're like, they must have seen me with my glasses. She got like. And I only wear glasses in my, my glasses are on my bedside table
Starting point is 00:21:58 when I read my Daniel Steele novels. So whatever. It's just funny that I think again, just as much as like the whole stoner like revolution kind of shit is a little passe so is the reefer madness shit is getting tired you know like let's just we'll shut the fuck up if you shut the fuck up how about that truce deal i will stop uh shaming you for every time you talk about weed every time yeah i'm just smoking in the office which i don't right i'm
Starting point is 00:22:25 a professional right totally smoke in the bathroom exactly uh all right we're gonna take a quick break we'll be right back definitely caruana galizia was a maltese investigative journalist who on october 16th 2017 was murdered there are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price. Listen to Crooks everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today.
Starting point is 00:23:49 And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer. This is Rip Current, available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce.
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Starting point is 00:24:54 to kind of do my own thing and not necessarily stay in my mom's shadow because I'm not afraid of stepping out of my comfort zone and shaking things up a little bit because that's the only way I feel that you're going to make history. Listen to the bright side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Starting point is 00:25:58 We're not hurting people. There's nothing dangerous about what you're doing. They're just dreams. Dream Sequence is a new horror thriller from Blumhouse Television, iHeartRadio, and Realm. Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so, Super Producer Nick producer nick stump was pointing out like with post this helsinki
Starting point is 00:26:32 summit and also with the maria butina thing that that's the russian agent who she was a gun rights activist in russia and somebody from r was like, you know, we could ally with the NRA and the Christian right. And so she ends up at these NRA meetings and, you know, dating a leader in the NRA. And then she's at the prayer breakfast with the Christian right in America. And there's sort of a sense in which rather than being independent nations that are warring with one another or using diplomacy to work with one another, we're drifting in the direction of a world where groups of ideologies are banding together and they're battling against other ideologies, which kind of makes sense because we're a more digital world now, so it's less in physical geography. It makes sense that we would go towards a world where that's less defined by physical geographical borders and more just based on the content of our ideas.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Someone was just telling me about the book Sapien. Have you heard of that? I have. Sapiens or Sapien? the book Sapien. Have you heard of that? I have. Sapiens or Sapien? I think just singular. Okay. I'm not positive on that, but the person telling me about it was saying that originally religion
Starting point is 00:27:54 was such a useful tool because you didn't really have the means to go from one village to another and know exactly what they were about, like whether they were friendly or not. You had like symbology and things like that. Like, oh, you guys are into this? Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:10 You guys like addition? Yeah, you're wearing a skull on your head. Nice. My kind of people. Might not ask you for directions. But yeah, I mean, Trump kind of demonstrated this in stark detail that he has more or less dismissed the U.S. as a construct in the way that it's been
Starting point is 00:28:26 traditionally understood by just completely dismissing the conclusions of the U.S. intelligence community and accepting the conclusions of the leader of what has traditionally been America's greatest. And it's weird because even though I don't think his motivation was like, oh, I'm going to blow up the paradigm of like how people view borders and things. It's just more like in his self-centered worldview that he's just sort of naturally moving in this direction too. And this is like the knock-on effect of this. It's so bizarre now when you're trying to understand the logic of people, the way they interact, the way they're so passionate about things. Like how did they get to that?
Starting point is 00:29:05 If I imagine myself as a person in Oklahoma, angry about gay rights, angry about marijuana is coming to my town and damn it, this country is supposed to be Christian, God fearing people who don't curse and have nice clean haircuts and they go to church and, and I just don't. And then you meet someone that has those things. They have guns. Well, they have guns. Right. Well, they're Russian. Well, I mean, if I'm honest, I have more in common with them, these traditional hardline views that we have.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Well, and that's the thing is that like I know on Right Wing Watch in the past I was reading this article. They were talking about how the Christian right was just slowly going to Russia all the time to be like – they're like, wait, we're on the same page here. Like you are for this like same sort of white ethno state that's fully Christian. And there's, there's no muddying of the gene pool. And we're just going to be like anti-gay and, you know, stand for family values and how they've become strange bedfellows. And just now as we, and there's been like an uptick of a lot of these like neo-Confederate groups who are also finding like allies in Russia, like to be like encouraging like secessionist movements in California or Texas or Hawaii. And just being like, yeah, like there's this group there. I think this was on on Right Wing Watch's site.
Starting point is 00:30:19 There was this one group, the League of the South or something, how they're about to have like a Russian language section on their website. Yeah. Like this is from the thing. One of the leaders of the group was saying, we understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion. As fellow whites of Northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters. So yeah, we're like seeing more of this like, yeah, okay, maybe, I guess what? Do y'all just want to go to Russia?
Starting point is 00:30:54 Right, but they don't have to because there's enough of them here and they know how to, spoiler alert, they know how to identify one another because they have QAnon t-shirts now for sale on Amazon. So yeah. I've got a q anon shirt on hey that's pretty cool that's pretty cool man that's cool all right brother um yeah i feel like this is this makes a lot of sense to me and it's also i mean it's the sort of thing that in the past would have caused civil wars but i you know i don't know if that makes sense anymore or well everyone just i think like we're at a phase where i was like honestly like i'm not i don't like fucking kill you just like just go over there like it's sort of everyone's at it like you know because people are as demonstrated over the weekend when i was at
Starting point is 00:31:40 the griffin like proud boys show up and like you're like, oh fuck. And you're just at, people are already in there. You were there for that? Yeah. You were just at odds just being like, oh, what the fuck is this? And again, you realize like,
Starting point is 00:31:50 I'm sure that for people who are like liberals in there would be like, I'd prefer to like not have to see this stuff. Yeah. And I'm sure for Proud Boys if they weren't trolling,
Starting point is 00:31:57 they'd be like, I'd be down to live in a place where like there weren't any weird libs and I could just like say wildly problematic, just misogynistic, chauvinistic,
Starting point is 00:32:05 racist, xenophobic. Can I keep going? But isn't that part, sorry, go ahead. like say wildly problematic, just misogynistic, chauvinistic, racist, xenophobic. Can I keep going? Yeah. But isn't that part? Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, no, but I mean like that's sort of like where I guess people are already just isolating themselves in general. their ideological identity, basically. Right. That as people move in this version of the world that we exist in now, they're more likely to self-segregate, essentially. But no one wants, I don't think,
Starting point is 00:32:32 maybe I'm wrong on this, but I think in the same way that you bring up a band and someone goes, eh, and the natural human reaction is, you don't like, oh my. Yeah. And then you start playing them stuff. Nickelback.
Starting point is 00:32:41 You don't like Nickelback. I know they get a bad rap, but here, listen to this album, this whole second side. And humans maybe don't want to be lone wolves doing that, but you find a pack, you find a group. If you're like, all right, you guys just, you can have the entire state of Oklahoma. You can be as racist as you want. I was going to suggest Oklahoma as well.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Give me the whole state. Do whatever the hell you want. If we just assign certain areas of the world, this place is now all cannibals. Soals so if you're one of those weirdos you live here but they would want to espouse their views to other people they just couldn't help but be like why isn't the rest of this country like us yeah right why are they not we're all dope we're white we're racist as hell we don't like gay people all the best things all the best things get Right. I agree. And I think the more we self-cloister into our own little groups and only talk to people who are of the same mind as us, the more extreme our views will become and the more we'll want to go and talk some sense into these people. If white supremacist view is the nickelback of and in the same way you're like dude you're not gonna talk me into nickelback yeah you have these conversations like all right lay it on
Starting point is 00:33:49 me well eastern europeans i mean realistically if you look i mean and they start yeah okay and then what and then you're the best forever you're the best in the beginning you're the best at some point when can you lay when they've never made a good point to me where I'm like oh I'm joining you guys or what's the end game I mean because I think it's clear for people who are liberal progressive people it's like the end game is like a more equitable world where everyone
Starting point is 00:34:15 has a good shot at living a decent life and you don't have to be able to afford to stay alive or whatever like that's kind of the end game I don't know even when you talk to like crazy like crazy racist people, they have, they say a lot of problems, but you're like, but what is, what's the world you're trying to see? And not most people are like, if they're not, even maybe if they're subconsciously racist can articulate, oh, I just want to see all white people. And not many people do. I think really, they just don't know
Starting point is 00:34:43 how to articulate that. They're like, they're feeling the same stresses that most all people are. Right. But they're just coming to a conclusion that's like really troubled. Just move to Vermont guys anybody and you think white people or whatever skin tone is the best and you want to only be around that group you should be allowed to to some degree just don't bother anybody yeah don't if don't let that then infringe on someone's peace yeah ability to just live yeah because you're not going to change you're not going to convert all of these people if you found out like do you know like in the northeastern part of utah there's this whole group that's only albinos. Right. And they only let albinos in. They only communicate with each other.
Starting point is 00:35:29 And you'd go, are they nice to people? Like, yeah, they don't bother anybody. That's fine. Yeah, sure. I feel like no one would really have a problem with that. You'd want to go see it. Yeah. This whole little community of albinos.
Starting point is 00:35:40 It's the inevitable Nickelback argument argument that the people are inevitably going to try and convince you nickelback is superior to the music you're listening well it also sucks though too because if you really fuck with nickelback and people are always shitting on nickelback you're eventually gonna be like y'all don't understand right don't you guys you find one person that likes nickelback as much as you that's a tighter bond than most i mean honestly i i got into nickelback as a troll you, that's a tighter bond than most of us will ever experience. I mean, honestly, I got into Nickelback as a troll move for my friends in college, like where I was learning all the lyrics and they're like, what the fuck's wrong with you? But I'm like, look at these photographs.
Starting point is 00:36:15 And they were like just so sort of disgusted by me. But, you know, shout out to Chad Kroger. What was the word we had for people who sing like that? Is it Jorging or something? Oh, yarling? Yarling. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:30 I just realized about the albino community that would be so fascinating too, is they would be made up of every ethnicity. Right. It would just strictly be their skin tone. So that'd be an interesting dynamic of them getting along. Where are you from? Like, I'm African. I'm from here.
Starting point is 00:36:43 And they're like, oh, wait, you are African albino like whoa whoa hold on yeah it's like whoa and i get who knows and there's an interesting who was there's a historian who was just sort of talking about generally how like after world war ii everyone sort of began self-segregating and like the west was also like yeah why don't y'all do that and like they point to that as sort of being kind of the dark underlying secret as to why there's been a lot of seemingly mostly peaceful since World War II in Europe is because people were like, you know what? We're just going to start rocking with our own people because that war was a lot for us. So let's just section off. Yeah. current movement could be seen as going from that world where people were cloistered in their own nations to a world where people are choosing to spend time with people who agree with them
Starting point is 00:37:32 ideologically. And I mean, this ties into sort of the question as to, I mean, Miles, you were saying that you're hearing in your intel communities that you- Yes, in my incel communities. Oh, is that what you were saying? Oh, yeah. see my incel communities oh is that what you were oh yeah i said oh no no no i have no connection to the intel okay i mean you know just based on like twitter and reading different think pieces from diplomats or people inside and outside of intelligence there have been a lot of people talking like i can't say name names but this is a diplomat who's serving right now and like the quote is like crazy it's like dude i don't know what the fuck's wrong with trump man like either he's totally
Starting point is 00:38:09 under putin's thumb or he's a pussy and you're like whoa like this is how this guy is talking and no because right now a lot of these people are like looking at like yo this guy is really really trying to fucking fuck the game up with with leadership. And now we're seeing like, you know, it's clear that the intelligence community has clearly had their eye on this thing for a while and they have not been able to say anything because they're just there to provide the executive or the government at large with information. This is what we know and do what you need to do because that's what our job is. But now it seems like they're trying to really wave their hands and be like, no, no, no, hold on. You guys need to start seeing what we know.
Starting point is 00:38:48 For example, like Dan Coats, DNI, Dan Coats, he had an interview with Andrea Mitchell yesterday at the Aspen Security Conference, and he was out here with his chest out, like not really giving a fuck about what the president would think. Throughout the interview, Andrea Mitchell was asking him like about the Helsinki thing and how he handled that. And he was just like, I would have done it differently, you know, just openly sort of questioning the president because he's the director of national intelligence. And then you can really tell, like he did a fucking like literal double take when the news broke that the White House was going to invite Putin to DC in the fall. This is a clip from that moment. We have some breaking news. The White House has announced on Twitter that Vladimir Putin is coming to the White House in the fall. Say that again?
Starting point is 00:39:35 Vladimir Putin coming. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I heard about this, but... That's gonna be special. That's gonna be special. That's the fucking acting director of national intelligence right there. He's just like this fucking guy. Yeah, and they can't believe it. And, I mean, luckily for him, he's a solid...
Starting point is 00:39:57 He's a full-on Republican. You cannot question his Republican credentials. Sure they can. And he's like Jim Mattis'. Well, where the whole gang is. No, right. But I mean like in terms of criticism from the White House
Starting point is 00:40:07 to be like, this guy's a hack or whatever. Like, no, dude, this guy isn't. And like Jim Mattis rides for him. To Dave's point, that's exactly what we were saying about Mueller. When they were like,
Starting point is 00:40:16 well, they're bringing in Mueller. Everyone was like, and this guy's unimpeachable. Yes, for sure. He's like the biggest Republican. Nobody's ever going to question his motives. I guess more in terms of like, it'll be harder for him to fire Dan Coats because he also has a lot of support like within the cabinet already too.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Like he's from Indiana. He's like Mike Pence really likes him. Anyway, but I know. But to that point, of course, anyone who begins speaking truth to power will immediately be painted with the you're a hack or whatever. This whole thing. I mean, I've been trying to really comprehend the level of devotion. I think a lot of people, if you're a Spurs fan,
Starting point is 00:40:50 people love Greg Popovich. And he has won you championships, meant something to you specifically in your life. And then when he starts talking about the president, some people in San Antonio go, Oh, fuck that guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I hate Greg Popovich. Yeah. I never really liked him. Never really cared. George Clooney, people like that. You'd think like, oh, fuck that guy. Yeah, right. I hate Greg Popovich. Yeah. I never really liked him. Never really cared. George Clooney, people like that, you'd think like, oh, people know them. They're just as ubiquitous. People turn, ah, I fucking hate those movies. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:13 This guy. Have you seen Icarus? Yes. And then did you see the Trump documentary series on Netflix? It's like four parts. I started watching it. I didn't get through all the whole thing, though. If you know his whole life,
Starting point is 00:41:25 then it's probably not that interesting. But I was pretty unfamiliar with like his life in the 80s in New York and Roy Cohn and suing the city and all this. And it's bananas. It's such a great glimpse into like exactly how he's operating currently. Cause you kind of see him be birthed into this thing that he is now. Originally he has different teeth. He's obviously younger, but he's talking about Citizen Kane and he's kind of eloquent and he's weirdly like endearing where he's obviously younger but he's talking about citizen kane and
Starting point is 00:41:45 he's kind of eloquent and he's weirdly like endearing where he's painting this picture of a guy who's you can't trust people because of money and kind of how do you know what true love is he's like i can relate to that yeah and then you just see this twist where like when he first starts cheating on ivana and the press knows about it and they know he's cheating on her with marlo maples and he's just like oh it's crazy and that's when he invents characters that he's calling in to be like hello it's me John Miller and they start recording like this can't be real right and he just lies I mean they're on ski trips where legitimately he takes the family to like Aspen and Marla has a hotel across the street yeah it's fucking crazy and people people, he just keeps lying. Like, no, no, no. She's just a friend. She, I don't know why she's here. She's after me. They're married. The biggest one is the
Starting point is 00:42:30 Taj Mahal. Like it's all the analysts are like, Hey dude, this is nothing personal, but we've run the numbers a bunch of times. This can't sustain itself. Oh, it's crazy. It's fake news. You're idiots. You're a bunch of boys. And they're like, Oh, I wasn't. And then right up until the end, until it went bankrupt, he just, I think it's going great. We're making bunch of boys and they're like oh i wasn't right and then right up until the end until it went bankrupt he just i think it's going great we're making tons of money so those two things icarus and that to me are like everyone should see that just to get a good sense of oh that's what we're dealing yeah this is a group who knows how to work this way here's a person who only knows how to operate in this sense right put it together yeah yeah yeah and i i just think that people are trump supporters first and american second at this point i think like yeah i mean another example of what you're talking about
Starting point is 00:43:13 with the popovich thing is uh when de niro said fuck trump at the tonys there are all these great videos of like dudes from new york who were like bob, I fucking loved you, man. Like, Goodfellas, greatest film of all time. I modeled my life after you. Go fuck yourself. I'm like tearing up your picture. This is where we part ways. I've had this Goodfellas poster since I was in fucking community college, bro. I'm fucking torching it.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And then also, to just sort of go along with the intelligence community kind of doing their own thing, after when he denied that, well, when he said full throat, he's like, oh, I believe Putin over the intelligence community. They then leaked information essentially to the New York Times saying this motherfucker knew it was Putin since like before he even came into office. We had top secret briefings when we showed him fucking emails, texts showing that these orders came from the fucking top. And he can't act like he didn't know. We put this shit in front of his face and said, this is what the fuck is going on. And a lot of people were like, whoa, that's new.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Like for you to suddenly be like, oh, he knew. And clearly coming from the intelligence community, like dead that. And they burned a source. Like that information is based on a source close to Putin. Putin, right. So the fucking intelligence community had a source close to Putin and were willing to like burn that source. And a lot of people were saying, well, like, oh, my God, you just put that source in jeopardy.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I mean, that source is probably dead. Well, that's the thing. I think nine people died mysteriously since the Steele dossier came out that had connected to the Russian government. A lot of, quote unquote, heart attacks. Heart attacks, falling out of buildings accidentally. Yeah. And that's what they're saying. I think the reason that the intel community even leaked it was they probably suspect, because we already know Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner were trying to talk to the Russians the whole time, that that source was probably burned a long time ago, which is why they're like, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:45:04 It's not like we're putting this person in jeopardy again. But it just shows you there's clearly a group of people who, like, you can maybe call actual patriots who are looking at the information before them. Their expertise is intelligence and counterintelligence and being like, yo, how long till you guys, like, do something about this? But it didn't. There was a, I think, I want to say South Dakota a republican congressman that goes i think he was playing him he was showing the upper hand he was going out there saying i know and you know that i know but if you want to keep playing this game go ahead but i'm going to hold you to it and then the press like in this meeting goes is that what you think and he goes that's the only logical conclusion i can come to like so they're just doing these mental gymnastics like trump's a
Starting point is 00:45:48 genius and he's working people that is a given yeah definitely a genius it's this whole thing of of being confronted with truth and the second that that doesn't jibe well with your like skewed worldview then you have to find the next available life raft yeah off of that thing too because this one's sinking. I just don't know. It seems like the Helsinki thing was clearly a red line for a lot of shit's changing. I think we all do it in the smallest ways. Your team loses a pivotal
Starting point is 00:46:16 game mid-season. Say you're watching football and you're like, they run the table from here. They do it with their third string quarterback. It's been done before. People are like, you're crazy. Just move on. Watch something else. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:46:29 And they lose the next game. They're mathematically eliminated. Nah, but I think. You just keep sticking. Well, the refs were cheating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get all the Breitbart emails, like the daily recap of what's going on. And they had a recap that Rush Limbaugh is now saying that this is
Starting point is 00:46:46 how Democrats are going to do away with elections. So by using the Russia story to cast doubt on the outcome of elections, the Democrats are going to take over and never let Republicans win an election again. So that's how they're going to explain the blue wave. How far they can go in a different direction in interpreting something that seems fairly straightforward to us. Yeah. So, all right, we're going to take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about how we're going to identify each other once the civil war does break out. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16th 2017 was murdered there are crooks everywhere you look now the situation is desperate
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Starting point is 00:51:40 And QAnon is that conspiracy theory that we all know Roseanne loves also, where it's basically like, even though the Mueller investigation heats up, it's like, nah, dude, Trump's working with Mueller to take down Hillary. Right. And again, there's your mental gymnastics where like all the evidence is showing like, look, I mean, the Russians really did a number over here. They're like, yeah, but the thing is, he's working with them. That's a distraction. So it's like a troll on 4chan who comes in and is like, I secretly have Q-level clearance, which means I'm a really high-level intelligence person, and here's what I know. And he asks vague questions that lead them in one direction, sort of deep-throat-ish, but it's complete nonsense.
Starting point is 00:52:26 one direction, like sort of deep throat-ish, but it's complete nonsense. And it's basically like the Mueller investigation is secretly a cover for Mueller investigating Obama and Hillary, because Obama and Hillary are part of a child smuggling ring. And Trump has been taking down, so if you ever hear about Trump taking down sex offenders, that is part of the QAnon thing, that Mueller and Trump are secretly targeting this sex smuggling ring. Yeah, because Trump, we all know he's a huge advocate for child care and protection of children. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Okay. Well, that's sweet. But Amazon is selling these shirts, yeah, so that these people who believe in this, and this is becoming a huge thing because they don't have that many other things they can believe in at this point because the investigation is so clearly coming out as like, yeah, this guy doesn't really have your best interests in mind. And they are really having to cling harder and harder to the QAnon theories. And so now people are like, you Q? You Q? You Q?
Starting point is 00:53:24 And they're like. You call me cute? You know how everything moves so quickly now that there's never a moment to like get contrition. Like, okay, you got, you were definitively, you 10, so wrong. We'd like you to turn in your accounts
Starting point is 00:53:37 and or post photos of your faces so that we know it was you morons, whether that's going to a pizza parlor to shoot it up and be like, ah, we got you. But if this Q person isn't a troll that's just archiving these photos and then afterward goes, it's me. I'm 13.
Starting point is 00:53:52 I live in a basement. Right. And I got all of you. I got you. Right. Those people would never be like, ah, shit. No, no, no, no. It's just, yeah, nice try.
Starting point is 00:54:00 That's so Q. Right. That's so Q that you would try to like. Ah, Q. I know Q when I read it. Yeah. But you can buy these shirts on Amazon. So Amazon's making money off of this bizarre conspiracy theory that's probably going to
Starting point is 00:54:14 cause the end of our country. The Q Drops is one of the most popular Trump related apps. If you search Trump in the Apple App Store, QDrops is one of the top apps, or was until they kicked it off. But for a long time, people could get this app that would tell you every time Q updated with a rhetorical question that implied that Obama was secretly molesting children. And so if you searched Trump, it could have essentially infected normal Trump supporters with this like crazy conspiracy theory level Trump supporting. So yeah, there's a whole bizarre world. QAnon just in general, people should do research. It's pretty wild stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Does it tie into white supremacy as well? It's mostly just just the justifications for Trump. Yeah. Just for people to like be able to explain away why the news is actually good news when it's always bad news. Yeah. You're really trying to be objective of what this means about the president. It's like
Starting point is 00:55:17 what this means is right. This is like a star belly sneetches kind of thing. Right. Legitimately wearing a thing like I'm really really struggling to keep my mental sanity at all times. But look at what I do. I really flip things around and reverse them, and I'm doing just fine. Mm-hmm. All right.
Starting point is 00:55:36 So it's time for some Bloid Watch. Bloid Watch. Guys, we have the climax of the story that we've been following for weeks. The cover of In Touch Magazine is Brad and Jen just married inside the backyard ceremony. Oh, wow. We knew it was going to happen. And that photo on the cover of them together is a real photo of them right now, 2018, getting married. They haven't aged a bit. So it turns out this picture is old.
Starting point is 00:56:06 There is still no sourcing that they've even seen each other since he divorced Angelina Jolie. And all of this is completely unsourced nonsense. Inside the story, they don't even claim that they got
Starting point is 00:56:22 married. They say it was a commitment ceremony that they did that there's no evidence that it occurred yeah and they also say she's pregnant this is odd because zero evidence like if this is like q anon for people that ship brad pitt and jennifer exactly but even q anon is seemingly more intelligent in how they're trying to weave reality into something seemingly does it mention that she looks more intelligent in how they're trying to weave reality into something seemingly plausible. Does it mention that she looks more distinguished in her glasses in that article? Right.
Starting point is 00:56:50 You should wear them more. Yeah, but it's completely just they made up a source, like QAnon made up a source. We're saying that the reason why the tabloids are still running stories like this is do we think that coincides with the biggest like sort of financial gains of these magazines? Yes. Like they sold the most then so it's like dude we gotta somehow bring this back. And I don't think In Touch is American Media Inc. No.
Starting point is 00:57:15 So it's not but that has been what we've seen from all tabloids since Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie got divorced as they are just fine making up you can the cute people go to rallies they wear the shirts they probably interact through the app or online but man poor people that the lonely follow this they don't have anywhere they can go and you couldn't go to a party and be like well as you know and you're like no they aren't and there's
Starting point is 00:57:42 no evidence that that should ever happen what is is wrong with you? Because this magazine's only option now is to maintain this fake marriage. And next month it'll be on the rocks. And then they have to just keep it going. The amazing thing is that they don't do that. They just assume literally zero memory on behalf of their readership. And next week they just won't even reference the fact that they were married. Oh, yeah. I love it. it yeah it's just uh yeah brad and jen all married again or yeah well the other thing too is interesting is you know boyd watch is really it's all coming
Starting point is 00:58:17 full circle in terms of like reality and michael cohen and all these american media inc because today we also found out that michael co Cohen has audio recordings of him talking to Trump about payments to Karen McDougal two months before the election. Now, the White House in the beginning was like, yo, he didn't know anything about these payments. Not before the election. He didn't know anything about it.
Starting point is 00:58:39 It's completely false. Now Michael Cohen pulls up with these fucking, like, he's like, like yo I have straight up audio recordings yeah and this was the thing because Karen McDougal she took her story to the National Choir David Pecker's National Choir sold it for 150 and then it was a catch and kill story where they bought it and then never published it and that was that so it's interesting now that we're starting to see Michael Cohen telling people about this i guess the fbi has this recording now uh in their possession and it could also be a signal flare to michael cohen being like okay you weren't like taking me seriously when i said i was gonna
Starting point is 00:59:13 cooperate okay now i gave him a tape bro are you gonna fucking party yeah like what's good twitter stuff associated trump that's that's a no. They broke up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Status. It's complicated. Single. Oy, oy, oy. What else you got? Tom Cruise is on the hunt for his next bride. Is he or is the Church of Scientology?
Starting point is 00:59:35 The Church of Scientology appears to be because... That's something that's underrated. I should have brought that up. The Church of Scientology. I know. Thank you. Dianetics.
Starting point is 00:59:43 I love Elrond. Beautiful. If you've driven through there, if you. Dianetics. I love Elrond. Beautiful. If you've driven through there, if you've driven through there, it's called Bricks and people are outside sweeping all day. All day they sweep.
Starting point is 00:59:51 It's the cleanest place. It's only like a few hundred feet, but anyone can just drive through there. Our leader of the free world is obviously, a lot of attention gets devoted to like,
Starting point is 01:00:01 wow, this guy's a psychopath. Right. But our biggest movie star, the guy we've all like grown up with, just abandoned his daughter because of this weird cult he's in gets devoted to like, man, this guy's a psychopath. Right. But our biggest movie star, the guy we've all like grown up with, just abandoned his daughter because of this weird cult he's in and everyone's like, ah, Mission Impossible 6, I'm excited.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Yeah, Rogue Nation, man. Rogue Dad. Cool. It's supposed to be really good though. Wait, he abandoned his daughter? Yeah, he never sees Suri. And I know this beyond just point watch. Oh, well, she is a suppressive person.
Starting point is 01:00:26 She is an SP. We all know that. She's always had SP vibes. I've never felt good about Suri. Right out of the womb. Now she's a squirrel, actually. Oh, is she? Well, a squirrel is someone who leaves the church and talks shit.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's actually out here squirreling it up. Fucking squirrels. Star Magazine is telling us that he's back at it and they have a copy of his questionnaire that brides have to uh wait do they talk about the methodology and how someone even gets to the point where the questionnaire is filled out or is this just something they leave at like ralph's at the checkout so they said that uh it's basically like
Starting point is 01:01:02 auditioning for a role and the church of Scientology reaches out to these people's representatives. They said back in 2005, Katie was chosen, but Scarlett Johansson and Lindsay Lohan were also called to audition. Damn it! And Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba were approached but were rumored to be uninterested. So it's just like a role. It's just like playing his significant other in a movie. I imagine the world. It has gone uncast for too long.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Am I right, guys? Yeah. Ladies. Scarlett Johansson and Tom Cruise, that would have solved a lot of problems. Would it? Oh, yeah. Just with her not really being able to take roles.
Starting point is 01:01:39 She could just be hanging out with Xenu. Anyway, so what's this questionnaire that people have to fill out? Right. So they say they have the questionnaire. Who knows if it's true, but they say, Tom's dating questionnaire, would you pass?
Starting point is 01:01:54 Ex-Scientologist Steve Mango shares 10 of the craziest questions. Hold on. Steve Mango? It's your boy Steve Mango. It's your boy Steve Mango. I hope he's friends with Bob Dole. Hey, what's up? It's Do, Steve Mango. I hope he's friends with Bob Dole. Hey, what's up? It's Dole and Mango.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Super producer on a banana. So he shares 10 of the craziest questions a potential bride may be asked during the audition process. One, have you given me your right name? Yes. No. Two, have you ever indulged in drunkenness? Yes. No. Have you ever peddled dope
Starting point is 01:02:26 no indulged in drunkenness is such a nice way to say and then pedal dope pedal dope is like well that's when the bad cop comes in right hey you peddled dope you fucking fiend so i know you haven't indulged in drunkenness hey get my phone book i I'm going to beat this scab. Like, whoa, whoa. I mean, this one's pretty standard. Have you ever had intercourse with a member of your family? Da, da, da. What the fuck? Oh, my gosh. Have you ever murdered or kidnapped anyone?
Starting point is 01:02:55 No. No, really? Yeah. Have you ever? I like how specific this one gets. Have you ever? Have you ever done any illicit diamond buying? What?
Starting point is 01:03:04 What the fuck are you talking about? That's after murdering someone. Yeah. I like that because Scientology is a religion that was written by a bad fiction writer, and they still write in the voice of a bad fiction writer. They're like, okay, there's an illegal diamond network. Yeah. These dope, peddling, diamond smuggling, incestuous.
Starting point is 01:03:28 How do you feel about being controlled? Sure or no thanks? It's like a fucking, it's like a OK Magazine quiz. Have you ever been a spy for the police? Yes, no. That makes sense. Right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:03:42 Right. Like if you're fucking with Scientology, like, hey, you ever been a fucking spy? You ever been a fucking scab? Yeah, because no undercover officer can answer that with a lie. Exactly. They have to tell the truth. That's called entrapment. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:55 According to people who... According to... Shit I believed when I was 17. The dumbest drug dealers in the world. Do you feel communism has some good points? Yes, no. And then do you know of any secret plans against Scient points? Yes, no. And then do you know of any secret plans against Scientology?
Starting point is 01:04:07 Yes, no. It would be funny if you answered in the affirmative to all the problematic ones, just to see if they were like, hey, we'd love to talk to you. So you're a spy. What do you know, actually? You fucked your cousin, killed a person,
Starting point is 01:04:20 you buy diamonds, and you're spying on us, and you have secrets? Why would you come in here and tell us? You're wearing a De Beers baseball hat. I'm like, you have literally blood-soaked diamonds in your pocket. Why did you tell us? Oh, yeah, we're going to take it down.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Oh, okay, I'll tell you what happened. So I was sent by the FBI to try and infiltrate and marry Tom Cruise, extract as many secrets, and then sort of connect you guys to a diamond smuggling ring of incestuous, I don't know. One thing I would like to point out in the Globe, which is, again, another David Pecker, American Media Inc. publication. Okay, yeah, so this is Trump. World exclusive. Trump Media.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Trump Media. This is for all the Trump stans out there. Yeah. stands out there. Now, either it's good. It's usually like, yo, Hillary got straight up brain tumors everywhere. She can't walk. Or like, you know, Queen Elizabeth's a fucking Nazi is what last week they said.
Starting point is 01:05:17 So this week it's Sean Hannity's secret life of the most powerful man in America. Wow, Sean, you done done it again. So they basically did research, realized that people don't trust Sean Hannity and they're like, okay how do we prop this guy up? Or like, how do we also exploit that so people will buy it? Yeah, he has secrets and his secret is he's really handsome and the most powerful dude. No, literally, they're like, the truth about
Starting point is 01:05:38 his 25 year marriage, like that is so bomb or like, he's hidden 93 million real estate empire No, we found that out as people began leaking documents that you're like basically a slumlord right okay it's not a real estate empire you're a fucking slumlord yeah uh anyway so then it goes inside it's like how conservative tv talker became the most powerful man in america it's like he has trump's ear in a way that few others do the president absolutely values his opinion on virtually everything. Blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Then I just love here, they're saying he started with $200 and now he's a millionaire and he dropped out. It's just a whole puff piece. But then there's this one thing. It's a photo, inset photo, and then a description.
Starting point is 01:06:17 Fox poster boy Hannity hit it big by bashing lame-brained liberal losers. Aye, yah. So, yeah, they're loving Sean Hannity here. That's amazing. Have you guys seen V for Vendetta recently? No. Have you seen it at all?
Starting point is 01:06:32 No, yeah. I saw it in the theaters, I think. Yeah, it really is apropos to current times. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. There's a Hannity character. Oh, right. I remember, yeah, there's that sort of talking head dude.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Yeah, yeah. It's really fascinating watching it. Like,, yeah, there's like that sort of talking head dude. Yeah, yeah. It's really fascinating watching it. Like, oh, if this had come out, you know, a month ago, people would have been like, that's a little too on the nose. Right, right, right, right. The one thing about that movie that always stuck with me is making Toad in the Hole. Oh, yeah. Putting the egg in the slice of bread.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Oh, yeah. Wasn't she making that? I called it an egg's nest, but I've heard regionally it's different. Toad of the Hole. Yeah, Toad of the Hole, I think, is the English, the UK version. But yeah, I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, that makes so much sense.
Starting point is 01:07:13 I will make a sandwich like that right now. And it works? And have my cholesterol shoot up the building. Yeah, you know, you're just basically taking out the innards of a slice of bread and then cracking your egg in the pan so it cooks inside the slice of bread. Yeah. Then you take that little circle piece, throw that in the pan, let it toast up a bit. A little treat. There you go. See? And now we've completely forgotten that
Starting point is 01:07:33 our democracy is in peril. David, it's been a pleasure having you. Thanks for having me back, fellas. Where can people listen to you, find you, follow you? DavidHunsberger.com, and my podcast is called The Space Cave. Space Cave! Space Cave. It's a great podcast. And do you have a tweet? Are you on Twitter?
Starting point is 01:07:52 Barely. I don't really. Every now and then. Care for it? Yeah, I'm not that prolific. Anytime I start to think, like, oh, I've got to get this thought out in the world, then I just feel like I'm a grown man, for God's sake. I don't need to make some kind of Whole Foods joke.
Starting point is 01:08:07 I have tons of them I've been enjoying. You see the dog in the bee costume? Or the beekeeper's little outfit? No. Yeah, a little dachshund? Yeah. Good heavens. Because apparently they can sniff out
Starting point is 01:08:20 any disease in the hive, and that helps beekeepers keep the colonies healthy. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Look at that. And these Keweenaw people should not have access to honey or any of the many things that bees provide us
Starting point is 01:08:33 because how intelligent do you have to be to figure that out? Train dogs to do that, and then people go, it's actually a liberal conspiracy. Yeah, like, oh, boy. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, you don't get this. Awesome. I'm going to check that out right after we stop recording. Miles, all right. Yeah, like a boy. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. You don't get this. Awesome. I'm going to check that out
Starting point is 01:08:47 right after we stop recording. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at milesofagray. G-R-A-Y. Because I want to shout out people who tweet at me,
Starting point is 01:08:57 AKAs, know my handle, but then misspell my fucking last name with an E at the end. Right. I don't get it. It's A-Y.
Starting point is 01:09:04 And now I'm in my feelings uh so and a tweet that i like is actually someone who tweeted at us at john dueling at dueling john he sent a photo he said this made me think of miles and jack somehow and it's a photo of owen wilson and fozzie bear and then at the end it's zach de la roca from uh rage against the machine saying come with it now but the way you read it is we all know that the sound Owen Wilson makes is wow. And the sound of Fozzie Bear makes is waka. So it's wow, wow, waka, wow, wow, waka, waka, waka, wow, wow, waka, wow, wow, waka. Come with it now.
Starting point is 01:09:40 So shout out to you. That gave me a hearty laugh, my man. Yeah, that was awesome. All right. A couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Jake Flores at Feral Jokes tweeted, having my dick removed so I can suck my own ribs. Chris Fleming at Chris Fluming tweeted, the walls of hell are lined with the improvisers
Starting point is 01:10:01 not in the scene laughing performatively at their team, which is just very awkward. Isaiah Lester tweeted, preseason football is right around the corner, and then attributed the tweet to a divorced guy. And Lil Arab, maybe Tom Hanks, tweeted, pretty wild how they teach you useless shit in school, like what an isosceles triangle is Instead of helpful information
Starting point is 01:10:28 Like what you're supposed to do with a plunger after you use it Which I just want to bring that up Because I don't know What are you supposed to do? Growing up, at my house, my mom, Japanese very fastidious Just throw the toilet out No, no, no, you eat soup out of it Oh god
Starting point is 01:10:42 We just had like a shopping bag that she just like the second it was in there i was you know uh just pulled over the toilet put it in your little shopping bag tie it up plastic take it outside yeah and then just like you know wave it off and then you know you got to bleach it now and then i guess i know i don't know i never cleaned it yeah but honestly then when i started living myself i plunge the shit and just leave it right on the floor. Yeah. Boy, that's rough. God, what do we do?
Starting point is 01:11:07 You don't like. What do we do? Well, the toilet flushes and then it fills with new water. You could just rinse it off in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, okay. You can do that too. Yeah, throw a little. But I feel like.
Starting point is 01:11:14 That's what I do. But I feel like. But I feel bad about myself. Yeah, like a health expert would be like, you're actually creating like an awful bacteria colony on your floor. Because after even just reading shit about like how a dish sponge becomes like a fucking ugh, a bacteria colony or like your bath towels just like just reading shit about how a dish sponge becomes a fucking bacteria colony, or your bath towels just have so much fecal matter on them.
Starting point is 01:11:29 Unless it's E. coli. I mean, there's really not that many. It's just gross. There's like five real dangerous bacterias. You'll be all right. Yeah. I mean, look, I've been using the same towel for 15 years. I haven't washed it.
Starting point is 01:11:40 And I have... Oh, God. Okay, well, hear me out. I've only lost partial vision in one of my eyes. That's fair. I think I'm batting 100. Yeah, I think that's good. All right.
Starting point is 01:11:49 1,000. Oh, my friend Doug had a tweet years ago that was, the WNBA draft was yesterday. This is the only coverage of it. Oh, no. WNBA Now is getting real good, though. Yeah, yeah. Have you watched it?
Starting point is 01:12:00 Yeah, it's fun. Yo, the game is changing. I got to hand it to them. Yeah. It's getting more and more fun to watch. And they do it nice because the college finales have been so fantastic. Yeah. Then the draft is right after and then the season starts up.
Starting point is 01:12:14 So, like, it carries that momentum. And they're like a woke league where they're like, yeah, you call police violence out or, like, Black Lives Matter or just, like, general inequality. Or do community service when you win because you don't want to meet the president. I feel like young basketball players who are like, you know, just learning to play basketball should only watch the WNBA because their fundamentals are like so perfect. And like you don't get into any bad habits. They all have like no bad habits.
Starting point is 01:12:38 Just like perfect fundamentals. You watch James Harden. You're not learning good basketball. Yeah, you're not. You're like, all right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:12:52 We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnote! We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on, Miles. What's that going to be? Okay, so, man. Super producer Nick Stumpf put me on to some other good music again. This time I want to bring up the group.
Starting point is 01:13:11 Big episode for Super Producer Nick Stumpf. Yeah, big, big episode. He might be coming for my spot. But anyway, this is from the group Emerald Sapphire and Gold, also known as ESG. And they're a South Bronx duo who came out in the late 70s. Like, I've heard their songs before without knowing that it was them. Their track UFO, which I'll probably play next week, has been like one of the most sampled songs in hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:13:36 But this song, My Love For You, gets me a little more upbeat, and I think we just need that going into this weekend. So this is My Love For You by ESG. Shout out to the female front end band. And the other thing I want to add is they're not like the greatest technicians, but they have such good sense, like in style that the swag of the music is great. Wonderful. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back on Monday. Have a great weekend, everyone. Bye!............ It's like a roller coaster It goes up, up, down, down Any way you want it, baby
Starting point is 01:14:28 Up, down Up, down My life for you, baby It's like a merry-go-round It goes up, up, down, down He's all around, baby Up, down, round Up Thank you. baby it's like a roller coaster it's like a merry-go-round
Starting point is 01:15:46 it goes up down down anyway you want it baby up down round up
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