The Daily Zeitgeist - Millennials Are Ruining Babies, Fox News And White House Make It Official 7.5.18

Episode Date: July 5, 2018

In episode 183, Jack and Miles are joined by TomeFoolery podcast host Cody Melcher to discuss the heatwave around the world, the trade wars about to start with China, if the Democrats are leaning too ...far left, how the White House Communications director was the former number two at Fox News, the new Roe vs. Wade: The Movie being kickstarted, how young people aren't having babies cause they're too expensive, and more!Ā  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:17 My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Jack. Jack. He's a megalomaniac. That is courtesy of at Travis S. Butcher. Also, shout out to the Ramble Rouser for the You Can't Hide O'Brien Eyes, a.k.a. from the third. I forgot to shout him out.
Starting point is 00:02:39 But I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I don't know if I should even do AKs anymore. It's become a real struggle to find the fire that I had on Monday. So today, I'm just simply going as Miles, the master of BBB. Broken dick energy. Shout out to all my EP members. Yeah. So your patron saint would be Dennis Robbins?
Starting point is 00:03:04 Broken dick energy? Probably. Hasn't he broken his dick, like, multiple times? Yeah, so your patron saint would be Dennis Robbins? Uh, yeah Broken dick energy? Probably Hasn't he broken his dick like multiple times? Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, you know Look, why is he on trial right now? And we are thrilled to have in our third seat The very funny host of the podcast, Tome Foolery
Starting point is 00:03:20 Mr. Cody Melcher Hello Hi, how's it going? How is it going? It's going well. Yeah? Yeah. I just woke up a little bit ago. Oh, look at you. I'm an insomniac. You look great.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Thank you. Oh, for someone who just woke up. Okay. You're an insomniac? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How's that? Yeah, does it... How do you deal with it? I get a lot of cleaning done. Wow. That's pretty much it. Yeah. A lot of cleaning, a lot of random work-related activity, I guess. Yeah. And have you gone through every kind of remedy possible to try and deal with your insomnia?
Starting point is 00:03:50 Yeah, yeah. I'm trying cannabis now. What's that? Because I live in California. I've never heard of it. It's a plant similar to tobacco. Why don't you just smoke weed? Oh, that too.
Starting point is 00:04:02 I can try that as well. Oh, that's weed? Yeah. Oh, that's tight. Okay. It's also called weed. I've been informed by people who work in the industry to call it cannabis. Oh, that too. I can try that as well. Oh, that's weed? Yeah. Oh, that's tight. Okay. It's also called, I've been informed by people who work in the industry
Starting point is 00:04:07 to call it cannabis. Oh, wow. I don't know. I grew up not talking to people, so I don't know what to say about anything. I only learned about weed recently. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So, you know. And how's that been? It's been, I tried it a little bit. I have a weird tolerance to it somehow. I think I'm just like a large German-Irish
Starting point is 00:04:26 person who also drank a lot in college. So I just like it doesn't work sometimes. We should hang out. I'm trying tinctures right now because I'm always down for a tincture. Oh, wow. Okay. Laudanum, weed. Laudanum.
Starting point is 00:04:40 What are tinctures? It's a liquid kind of mixture kind of a deal. Got it, got it. It's just a term. Yeah. Cool. Eyedropper.
Starting point is 00:04:49 All right. Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better, but first we're going to take our listeners through what they're in store for. We are going to be talking about the heat wave. The world is breaking all sorts of records for hottest points at various locations around the globe we're going to talk about the list of the most fast food restaurants per capita it's out and it's the results will shock you yes number five will shock you number five had my jaw on the ground uh we're going to talk trade wars. Trade wars. We're going to talk about if the Democratic Party is tacking too far to the left.
Starting point is 00:05:29 We are going to talk about the new White House comms director who is, I don't know, his previous work experience is wildly unsurprising. Yeah, yeah. In line with the theme of this White House. The right is getting excited about a civil war. Alex Jones predicted one. We're going to talk about how that went. We're going to talk about Alan Dershowitz being shunned on Martha's Vineyard. We're going to talk about some tech world culture warring going on.
Starting point is 00:05:59 And the upcoming movie everyone is talking about who is in the process of making it, it is called Roe v. Wade, the movie. And it is just, it has a wild backstory. We're also going to talk about the fact that young Americans apparently not only are they ruining it for the diamond industry, not only are they ruining it for just everything that has been in a headline on Time Magazine, just all industries are being screwed by millennials. But now young Americans think kids are just too expensive. They're lame. Yeah. Kids are lame, man. I mean, as Cody pointed out, it costs a lot of money to buy children these days. You can't get one on the good market. Right. Exactly. The child buying market, a fun thing to laugh about.
Starting point is 00:06:49 So Cody. Yes. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? So most of my search history is work related because I'm just a person who spends a lot of time alone. But right now I've been cycling through three different things to keep my life interesting, which are because the World Cup is happening right now. So I decided because I just moved to L.A., I need to get invested in a soccer slash football club.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Yes, yes. And so I'm trying to figure out if I should go with the L.A. Galaxy or the L.A. FC. L.A. FC, man. Okay. So the problem with trying to research soccer ā€“ I keep calling it football. Soccer teams ā€“ No, we like football. Yeah. I'm still engrossed in the World Cup and it's just football, football.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Football. The problem is when you're trying to research a soccer or football team, everybody is incredibly opinionated, but it's all really personal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's no way to explain how anyone falls into a team. I want some kind of general information or something. I try to pick, you know, like I picked my British League team based off of like, you
Starting point is 00:07:45 know, their kind of activities and their history. Which team is that? Oh, it's Tottenham Hotspur. That's a very interesting club. Were you going to say that's wrong? Yeah. That is the wrong. You chose incorrectly.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Miles has an Arsenal tattoo on the inside. Oh, OK. I'm sorry that you're Arsenal, which is the New York Yankees of the Premier League. Wait, what? Who told you that? Arsenal is like basic. That's like, are you an American that isn't affiliated with Manchester or likes the Beatles? Then you should go for Arsenal.
Starting point is 00:08:18 All right, this is going to take over the entire podcast. Hold on. No, Jack. We have to make space for this because I cannot be attacked on my own show with somebody coming in with misinformation. The Yankees, first of all, my guy. Let me tell you something. To be fair, I don't know a lot about the Yankees. They are hockey, right? No, Arsenal is probably the most popular team outside of the bigger clubs. Actually, no, Arsenal probably has more supporters in the U.S. than any team. And I know a few people who chose Tottenham precisely because of that.
Starting point is 00:08:46 I got into it because Arsene Wenger used to coach in Japan, and that's where I first heard of him. And then when he went to the Premier League, that took my focus there. So I've been in it for a minute. No, I get it. You know what? Tottenham's cool. That's rock on with what you do.
Starting point is 00:09:00 I went with Tottenham because I wanted a London-based team because that's the place I go to whenever I do go to England for the most part. I wanted a London-based team, and I liked their social activism. I liked that they were involved in social activity, and they defend a lot against anti-Semitic intrigue and stuff that's going on in their area. So I liked that. That's the problem I'm having with the LA Galaxy is that they had the first openly gay player on their team, but also their owner, as far as I've been told, is a homophobe. So it's like, this is a really weird balance going on here. LAFC, it's a young enough club, not enough baggage yet.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Sure, but LAFC also are partly owned, although I know they're owned by a ton of people, by Tony Robbins, which is an issue for me. I mean, they just have a positive outlook, it sounds like, if they're owned by Tony Robbins. Just sort of re-thinkers. Yeah, just a lot of energy. Let's just say a lot of energy.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Sometimes it comes through different parts of your body. Anyway, then I've also been researching business cards and then movies to watch. I just turned 30. Okay. And I was trying to find like ā€“ so I went to film school because I live in Los Angeles now. So obviously I went to film school. Yeah. And I've been trying to find like movies, like inspirational movies to watch when you turn 30.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And the problem that I'm having with turning 30 is that everything's built for 20-year-olds. So when you Google movies to watch when you turn 30 or what should I watch in my 30s, stuff like that, all of the lists are just things to watch before you turn 30. And then apparently when you turn 30, you're just dead to the film industry. Your eyes don't work and you don't know how to perceive a movie. Until you become an old man with really strong opinions. You've got four years left. So here's how the demographics are. 18 to 34 is the key demographic,
Starting point is 00:10:29 and I realize that's because the average age that people have children at now is 34, and once you have a child, you're not making financial decisions for yourself anymore, so you can't be a tastemaker anymore. Well, having children for now. Right. That's the age of having them now.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Right. But not in the future. Do you feel like turning 30 was a big shift, aside from just the number, the decade you're entering? Because when I turned 30, I didn't particularly feel much different. I'm like at a crossroads
Starting point is 00:10:58 of three different groups in which I felt a lot of youth pressure, which is like working in entertainment, being gay, and being a millennial. I feel like millennial culture is really obsessed with youth culture. I feel like, and then the gay culture is very obsessed
Starting point is 00:11:14 with youth culture, and then being in entertainment, you know, especially like I do YouTube stuff, and I just went to VidCon, and I'm surrounded by 13-year-olds with millions of followers, and I'm just like, I don't know what I'm doing with my life anymore. Right, right, right. What is something you think is overrated centaurs 100% yeah overrated overrated and said with such authority I hate
Starting point is 00:11:35 centaurs this is actually a running joke on my podcast it's like if you go to the fan group it's all they talk about is centaurs I hate centaurs with a passion they're just a bad magical creature. They're basically just a cowboy without cowboy legs or a horse head. Like the only thing that they are good at is archery and sexual assault. That is literally it. That's true. If you can tell me anything else that a centaur can do other than archery and sexual assault,
Starting point is 00:12:01 I don't, they're just bad. Like the Mongolian warriors were better than centaurs because at least they could get off the horse. Right. You know? Like if you shoot the horse then they can still run
Starting point is 00:12:10 or something. You shoot a centaur's horse part and then it's just, that's just it. Yeah. It's just get a, just get a Mountie. They're just better.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Just figure something else out for yourself, centaurs. It's not really, it's almost like it's a mythical creature that was invented before anyone thought
Starting point is 00:12:23 to ride horses. They're like, man, if only we had the powers of a horse. Yeah. I mean, they're just dudes. Like, if you just, like, if you had a magical encounter, like, if you encounter, like, a Pegasus in the wild, you've got to, like, you know, coo it. Right, right, right. And, like, try to get it to trust you. You encounter a centaur, you're just like, he's like, hey, what's up, bro?
Starting point is 00:12:40 And you're like, oh, I was, what are you doing here? And he's like, I don't know. I'm just assaulting this woman and shooting some of those arrows you know that's all they do like meeting a centaur for the first person is just like growing up in like north dakota and then meeting a minority for the first time like it's just a different person right it's not interesting it's not fun they're reverse bojack horseman that's all yeah yeah they're just bad i just and i don't get it they're not just like the person who thought it was really just looking at a horse and like, damn, I just wish I had the bottom part. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:09 I just wish I was a horse, but not exactly. Yeah. And the anatomy makes no sense. But people have talked about that for forever. Yeah. Which is like, where are the actual intestines? Where's the actual heart? Do they have two hearts?
Starting point is 00:13:19 Oh, right. And then there's all that wasted body. Yeah. There's two body parts that have all of the organs in them. And then how do they have sex? Which part has sex? Right. If they're giving birth, where does the birth part, like if a female centaur is giving birth,
Starting point is 00:13:32 is it coming out of the back? Is there a word for a female centaur? Nah, probably garbage. Wow. That's just for all centaurs for me. Yeah, and then there's the whole thing about baby horses run really quickly, like immediately after they're born, pretty much. They start running.
Starting point is 00:13:47 And then if you look at like a baby human, so it's like, how does that work? That's a really good point. How do you reconcile those? The development aspect. It's like really coordinated on the bottom, but it's still like a baby on the top. It's just a poorly thought out magical creature, and I expect more from my Greeks. I really like that idea for a magical creature, a baby centaur that can run around but is just completely-
Starting point is 00:14:07 Yeah, like no neck strength. Yeah. Just a floppy old baby on top. Just garbage. There's a really disturbing part. Are you a Harry Potter fan? Yes, somewhat, yes. Because there's a really disturbing part in the movies, and I think it was also in the
Starting point is 00:14:21 books, where one of the bad, mean teachers gets gang sexually assaulted by a herd of centaurs. And then the kids, the good kids, I think, make clapping noises. And she goes into a fear coma. Oh, my. I do not remember this part. It's very hotter. It's implied. It's like, yeah, she was dragged off Into the woods By a gang of centaurs
Starting point is 00:14:45 And then she's like Completely traumatized For the rest of the And they're triggering Her PTSD Yeah and they Trigger her PTSD Like for
Starting point is 00:14:52 What a magical world For a gas Holy shit See that's why I don't fuck with Harry Potter Yeah I I mean not that I knew About that
Starting point is 00:14:59 Right But yeah I mean I've been asking people For years to give me Something that centaurs Are good at Other than like Something that a human Is good at I think the best Representation I've been asking people for years to give me something that centaurs are good at other than like something that a human's good at.
Starting point is 00:15:05 I think the best representation I've seen of a centaur was John Dory. That thing on Conan. Oh, John Dory. Oh, I remember that. What was it, like an energy drink or something? Yeah. That was the coolest centaur representation I've seen. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Yeah. Cody, what is something you think is underrated? John Quincy Adams. Former president John Quincy Adams. I'm a big stan for him, so I get into fights about this. Okay. Walk us through this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Okay. I mean, the New York Yankees of presidents, basically. John Quincy Adams. Oh, no. That's definitely Thomas Jefferson, who I also hate. But no. So John Quincy Adams, a lot of ā€“ so like a big flashpoint for this was when I lived in Chicago the night before the presidential election, the last one of, so like a big flashpoint for this was when I lived in Chicago the night
Starting point is 00:15:45 before the presidential election, the last one, we did a, like a show where everybody picked a president. And because I'm me, I was the first person asked to choose a president. And I chose John Quincy Adams. And everyone was like, you had all of the options. Why did you choose John Quincy Adams? And I was like, John Quincy Adams is awesome. John Quincy Adams was not only the son of John Adams, but he basically worked in public service his entire life. When he was like 13, he went over to Paris with his father and learned in Paris and then went off in his teens and was secretary to an ambassador on the side of the Americans.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Then he grew up senator. Then he became president and beat out Andrew Jackson, which everybody should appreciate, at least stemmed the tide a little bit of Jackson. And then he was considered an overreaching tyrant because he wanted to give America public roads and a public university and like health care. And the Congress like blocked him on everything because they were like, oh, you're a tire. Like you're trying to bring back the monarchy by putting too much power in the central government. He was like a modern liberal transferred back in time. Like literally just, hey, I think we should have roads. And they're like, you monster.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Okay, King George. Yeah. And so they basically like drummed him out of office, even though he did also balance the budget. And then he was like, all right, I'm going to retire and write a biography of my father. And then he literally could not stand not serving the country. So he ran for the House of Representatives and then was in the House of Representatives until he died on the floor of the House of Representatives. He was angrily opposing valorizing the Mexican-American War because he thought that it was a wrong war.
Starting point is 00:17:21 And then he died on the floor. But while he was in the House, he also ā€“ there was a gag order on slavery at the time. You couldn't mention it on the floor. And he mentioned it on the floor, but he had prepared a week of speeches because you have to then defend yourself against censure. He had prepared a week of speeches, had them printed out ahead of time
Starting point is 00:17:40 and had them delivered across the country while he was giving the speech. So he basically invented C-SPAN in order to filibuster slavery as a concept. So do you have a John Quincy Adams tattoo? I don't. I don't have any tattoos, but it is on the list of things I would get. I think it's like the third tattoo I would get. It would be an interesting face to have.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I do have a John Quincy Adams shirt. I also have John Quincy Adams merch. Okay. Yeah. So whenever I'm at cons and stuff, I have a John Quincy Adams t-shirt. Nice. Also skinny dipped in the Potomac. I think wild president, right?
Starting point is 00:18:08 Yeah. He did that all the time. He liked to take naked baths. There's actually a story about a journalist, a female journalist, who could not get an interview with him. And she grabbed his clothes while he was swimming and forced him to give an interview in the Potomac. Well done.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well done, man. He's a cool dude. What is something that's a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? All right, so I grew up in Texas. And there is a lot of like nationalist, which is a weird thing to say about Texas, but Texas considers itself still a nation. There's like a lot of nationalist ideals about Texas that are taught in schools.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Like I had a professor in college at the University of Texas who is still teaching this kind of stuff. And so like a lot of it was based in the idea that because Texas was a nation that chose willingly to come into America, that it had all of these rights that no other state had. So like Texas, like they teach children that Texas was legally allowed to secede whenever it wanted to, which is not true. Texas is allowed to fly its flag at the same height as the American flag. And it's the only state that can, which is not true. And it's all of these things about like Texas has the right to do all of these things that no other state has because it's such a better state.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And they teach those in school. Yeah. Like no state had the right to secede. Also, Texas was not the only state that was its own country before it became a state. And every flag technically can fly at the same height as the American flag. The flag code is literally just like, we suggest you do these things. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:19:28 It's more about, it's like manners. That's such an obnoxious lie. Yeah. It's just like, we're the only ones who can do it legally. Right. It's so weird and it's built in that weird idea. And people still say that they can secede.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Like that's that whole, Texas was the state before even California where they were like obsessed with the concept of secession. Right. Because it's such a big economy. Not as big as California. But people keep talking about it.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And it's like even if we did have a special rule that we were allowed to, that would have definitely gone away after the Civil War when we came back in. back in right but yeah it's just this weird like texas is the best state mentality that gets just drilled into you as a child where you just learn all of these like completely wrong facts right yeah from teachers how long like when did you uh when'd you red pill yourself when did you wake up brother oh man um i think like early college late high school was it just from like looking through basic like text and being like, oh, yeah, none of this actually checks out. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like a lot of like I think once I left the main school that they were teaching me that a lot in is kind of when I figured that out.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Right. But yeah, it was just I also read that I memorized the Texas Penal Code when I was in high school. And so that was also part of it was that a lot of the stuff I'd been taught was not in the Texas Penal Code. Oh, and you're like, hmm, so these aren't laws. I'm looking at the actual laws. Yeah, I think it's when I started really realizing that facts are skewed most of the time. They're tricky little things.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Yeah, as John Adams said, facts are stubborn things, but they also are really easily just lied about constantly. Yeah, there was a episode of the Gladwell podcast, which is little known fact. This entire show is just sponsored content for the Malcolm Gladwell podcast. I'm here for it. But he talks about how there is like a legal argument that Texas could secede anytime they wanted to. And if they did and split into four states, they would actually help the Democrats, not the Republicans, which is surprising. Yeah. So that goes back to when Texas was admitted
Starting point is 00:21:32 into the union, it was given the ability to split into four different states. And it's less a secession and more just actually becoming different states. The issue with that is that they already did it. If you look at the original shape of Texas when it came in, part of Oklahoma and I believe part of Arkansas and I believe part of New Mexico was originally Texas. And also there's some legal dispute in there because, again, when they came back in after the Civil War, then I think everything that's in the original admission to the union would have been off the table. So I don't even know if they have grounds to still do that. But, of course, there's no legal precedent to really look at anyway. So it would have to go to the Supreme Court. But as far as I say, no.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Yeah, and myths in Texas school textbooks are a big deal because a lot of decisions about national textbooks get made in Texas because so many textbooks are made. Yeah, they just make all the textbooks. Yeah, that's where you get a lot of the really bad slavery stuff, the slavery hot takes. Yeah, like the two sentences about it. Yeah, or when they refer to slaves as like workers or immigrants. Yeah, those are all fun times when you get the whole thing about, say like one thing about slavery in the Civil War,
Starting point is 00:22:41 and then the rest of it will be about like economics and like states' rights. I remember another thing that I learned in high school was like, one thing about slavery and the Civil War, and then the rest of it will be about economics and states' rights. I remember another thing that I learned in high school was the only reason the South lost the war was because there was a British embargo on the coastline. And the South could have won. At the time, I was just kind of like, all right, I'm just trying to get out of high school right now. I was just trying not to die. So that's where I was.
Starting point is 00:23:03 But in retrospect, thinking back about it more exactly, also just didn't really research the Civil War a lot. It wasn't the most interesting war to me growing up. That was World War I. But when I was researching it later, I was like, wait, yeah, why do we spend so much time retroactively talking about ā€“ We could have won. Whoa, whoa, what's going on here? If we'd been allowed to, we could have totally done it. Fucking embargo.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah. That's so confusing. Could have won. We've been such jerks about it. And here's the Civil War, and we're going to cover for the entire time. Oh, well, breaking news. What? Scott Pruitt resigns from the EPA.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Oh, my God. Oh, Summer of Scott comes to an abrupt end. Wow. The Summer of Scott. Wow. Anna Hosni with the no-look phone pass. Wow. Speaking of secession, there you go.
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Starting point is 00:23:56 Yeah. Hey. Take it up a little bit. Move the doomsday clock back a millisecond. Yeah, one millisecond. There we go. Oh, he's being replaced by a piece of coal. Great. He's being replaced by an advertisement for nuclear waste.
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Starting point is 00:27:31 Jeff Goldblum. Are you saying secret fries? Secret fries. What? That's what you're saying? Yeah. And Kristen Wiig. I just became so aware that I'm such a loud chewer.
Starting point is 00:27:41 My husband's just like, sometimes I'll be eating and he'll just be looking at me. I'm like, I'm just eating. Like, I don't know how else to chew. Table for Two is a bit different from other interview shows. We sit down at a great restaurant for a meal and the stories start flowing. Our second season is airing right now, so you can catch up on our conversations that are intimate, surprising, and often hilarious. Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're back. And so real quick up top, we just want to talk about the fact that the world right now is hotter than it's ever been, like, at this moment, basically that sticks with me from all these stories about how they're
Starting point is 00:28:47 setting record high temperatures is how low some of these places high temperatures are. Right, right, right. Like Montreal's high temperature is 97.9 degrees. That's the highest it's ever been. Is that Fahrenheit? 147 degrees. Yeah. No, that's Fahrenheit.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Just want to clarify. Yeah, that is. This thing's Celsius. Yeah, that's Celsius and and they're on fire, literally. Their hottest temperature ever is colder than a healthy human body temperature. It's crazy. Scotland is setting all-time highs at 91.8. Ireland, 89.
Starting point is 00:29:19 But yeah, it's bad. San Diego might hit 117 degrees. Oh, God. It's to the point that even Drudge, who usually only reports when it's colder than expected because he likes to throw that back in the face of the libs who think that global warming is happening, even he is quoting articles from this on the front page of the Drudge Report. You might as well be walking on the sun.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Right. My favorite song. Which is about global warming, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Any thoughts, guys? How are you going to stay cool? walking on the sun. Right. My favorite song, which is about global warming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any thoughts, guys? How are you going to stay cool?
Starting point is 00:29:48 I mean, I moved out of Texas. Like, the whole point was supposed to be that I was supposed to be moving to a slightly colder climate, at least a breeze every once in a while. What part of the city are you in right now? I live in Glendale. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Yeah. It'll get hot. Yeah. Well, it's all concrete over there, too. It's all concrete and reflective buildings. Welcome. Yeah. Cook thyself. Yeah. It'll get hot. Well, it's all concrete over there, too. It's all concrete and reflective buildings. Welcome. Cook thyself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:08 I keep my apartment at meat locker temperature anyway. Oh, yeah. So I'm probably just going to stay inside and never leave, although I was going to go to a bar and watch the World Cup game tomorrow, which is supposed to be the worst to go. It's at 11 a.m., too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to die probably. That's my solution. My solution is just to lay down worst to go. It's at 11 a.m. too. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm going to die probably. That's my solution.
Starting point is 00:30:26 My solution is just to lay down and accept it. Yeah, locally it's supposed to hit like 98 to 100 tomorrow. Yeah, and I was going to walk to that bar. Just do the broke boy air conditioner like you used to do. Take a bath towel. Wet bath towel. Wet it. Wring it out.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Yeah. And use that as your blanket. Yes. Oh, yeah, okay. And it keeps you cool. Nice. That's how I used to get around the heat in the valley. I personally have a convenient little body hack called hyperhidrosis, where my body turns all clothing into a wet towel immediately.
Starting point is 00:30:57 I have a very similar problem, so I'm with you there. I run really hot already. I get hot at like 50-something, so I don't know what I'm going to do. Yeah. I do carry a hand fan with me everywhere I go, though. I know. I get hot at like 50-something, so I don't know what I'm going to do. I do carry a hand fan with me everywhere I go. I know, I noticed that, and that is awesome. It looks cool. I thought that was a flex.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I was like, damn. You came in with the fan like that, like, excuse me. That matches your outfit. Do you have different colored hand fans? I used to, but i need to get a better fan merchant the quality of those fans were not good they kept breaking all the time uh and so now i just kind of went with a bulk order of these because they don't break as much but they also are
Starting point is 00:31:35 way cheaper so i could just kind of like throw them around as much as i need to right but right now i just kind of have a basic order of orange but i used to have different colors so i couldn't match them better with outfits. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I try, you know, it's nice to live in a time where people don't make fun of me for having hand fans. Cause I've had these since like elementary middle school.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Oh, okay. And it was a very different environment when I was a child. Yeah. My man. You don't say Texas wasn't, it wasn't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:58 No one. No. The fact that you, I almost felt backwards when you were like, I thought it was a flex. I was like, no one's ever said that to me before about pulling a hand fan out. That's me.
Starting point is 00:32:06 I'm like, that's a flex. To me, I'm like, that's a flex, my man. I was like, who are you, Oscar Wilde? I was like, he just caught the vapors right in front of me. Oh, I catch the vapors constantly. I'm a constant vapor catcher. Miles. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:19 We are reaching an important moment in the ongoing story. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday, trade war ongoing story. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday, trade war. Trade war. Friday. So, yeah, tomorrow the U.S. starts their first round of tariffs. The big one is $34 billion on imported goods from China. And that's not good for anybody.
Starting point is 00:32:42 And China has basically said, we will clap back, but we will not fire first, but we will clap back if you guys hit us with these tariffs. So most likely, I think China is probably going to hit us back with tariffs of their own. But yeah, it's not going to be good for anyone. We'll probably be paying a little bit more for certain goods, depending on it's a lot of supply chain disruption. And like the markets are going to go a little wacky for a little bit when the two big economic powers go basically head to head over some bullshit uh and it does sound like a boxing match yeah no it really is and it's like it's just a fucking you know stupid political flex that i would everyone is like begging trump like hey hey hey hey what are you doing this is not how you do this uh but china you know they they have a plan, too, because there's an analysis in Washington Post of all the tariffs that China is imposing.
Starting point is 00:33:27 And it shows that the tariff-exposed jobs are more than twice as likely to fall in counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2016 than in counties won by Hillary Clinton. So they have a very measured plan of exerting pressure on the president because it's a lot of agricultural goods and construction equipment manufacturers. Right. Yeah. And things like whiskey, right, in Kentucky, which that might mean, actually, I just learned today that whiskey will suddenly be extremely cheap. So if you're a whiskey drinker, keep your eye on those store shelves because those prices might be falling.
Starting point is 00:34:06 You whiskey hoarders out there. Get your barrels rolling. Yeah, get them now. Yeah. My favorite thing about this is, I don't know how much you guys, I don't want to be that guy, but I don't know how much you guys know about James K. Polk, the former president. Very little. Oh, so much.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Thank God. He's the one who ran on promising to be a single term president. Incredibly racist. The weirdest thing about him is he started the Mexican-American War and then also was known for wrecking part of the country with tariffs. Yeah, right, right. And it's just like, I don't think he reads, but it feels like Donald Trump's just reading James K. Polk's biography at this point.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Or someone's at least telling him to do it. Wasn't it with Canada? The tariffs? Yeah, didn't like- It was a bunch, but it was a bunch it was a bunch but uh it was a little bit with canada but a lot of european at that time would have been it but yeah it's wild i don't know did you see that the the thing about the uh harley davidson yeah where trump was citing 2017 as a reason for why like they're making a decision in 2017 for something
Starting point is 00:34:58 that happened now right right like oh they're yeah they moved all their stuff in 2017 because of the tariffs and they're like how did they preempt move something? Yeah. Nobody knows anything. Well, then it was crazy to hear some of the people who worked there who were losing their jobs. And they're like, hey, man, if this is what Trump says we need, we'll do it. And you're like, damn, you're beer bonging the Kool-Aid over there. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:18 That really feels like I have a hard time imagining people in those counties being like, well, now I'm for the Democrats because it's just the culture wars have been like so deeply divided the country that I feel like he can get away with this. This is like a calculated risk where like, yeah, you're all unemployed, but, you know, fuck the Democrats and people will get on board. But I mean, but it is going to some people will actually be, you know, feel this, you know, like if some people, if you're not in an industry that's affected by the tariff, sure, it'll probably be easier to be like, well, fuck it. Like, I'll pay more for this. But, you know, there are people like soybean farmers and stuff like we're the largest exporter of soybeans and China does a lot of buying of our soybeans.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Like those people are going to feel it a lot. And like I was just reading like odd odd things from the pork futures are also, they're worried about the hog prices too going down. Because yeah, that stuff is going to, it'll be interesting when it hits people and they still try and sort of rationalize why this is actually a good thing. Yeah, I mean, as somebody who has still some empathy,
Starting point is 00:36:21 in general for just people, and especially for children and stuff who can't make decisions on their own. It is like watching a horror movie where you're just like, no. Don't go in there. Don't go in the room. Run, run. They're just like, no, I'm going to still make this really horrible decision.
Starting point is 00:36:35 It's going to ruin my life. And you're just watching it slowly happen like a car wreck. It's not the way you want people to sort of begin to wise up to maybe why this president is is harmful to them to be like, wow, you're going to get hit directly in your wallet. Yeah. Who would have thought you could use fear mongering to people's basis instincts in order to get them to vote against their own interests? Yeah. In this country? Never heard of it.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Not in this economy. I don't know. It's wild. Yeah. Kind of going along with the idea of the culture war, Democrats are being accused of tacking too socialism and people, they're going to alienate their bases. And, you know, they have no shortage of talking heads and political analysts who they can go out to and get quotes from who are willing to say, you know, this is going to be a disaster. Sure, it might work in the Bronx, but it's not going to work in the rest of the country. And in a national election, like
Starting point is 00:37:51 in the presidential election, you're going to alienate people all over the place. It's sort of this idea that, you know, the more moderate you are, with Trump going way to the right, if you stay moderate, you get like both the left and like this chunk of people in the who are like more moderate and towards the middle from the Republican Party. It makes sense in a geometrical state, in a geometrical sense, if you just like take their chart for granted that, you know, Trump is all the way to the right. So why would you go all the way to the right. So why would you go all the way to the left? Like this was the rationale behind the media saying, oh, Hillary Clinton's going to win like 99.9%. She's definitely going to win because Trump is like all the way to the right and she's the only moderate candidate. And that's just how politics had worked up till then. And I think it almost like put a hole in this whole puffed up idea of, you know, the media is part of a corporatocracy that's been in power for years
Starting point is 00:38:53 and their existence is tied up in a world where the status quo is maintained and like big political movements don't happen. So they reported Trump's rise as a bad thing for Republicans because more moderate candidates always win in that logic and assumptions. And that assumption turns out was based on nothing. Hillary was playing the game by the rules of the mainstream media and she lost a shocking election that the Democrats definitely should not have lost. Yeah, well, I think also a lot of these these takes are coming from just the old Democratic establishment who are realizing they're losing control. Like a lot of people are, you know, not Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem like the top pick for a lot of people to be speaker if she gets the gavel come November.
Starting point is 00:39:43 And I think, yeah, there's a lot of the same thing. Like, you know, we were seeing this, especially like in California with a lot of the primaries to they were just warning off of these people that were like two left or whatever and actually were performing. And yeah, I think, you know, the party is changing and it's time to be a little bit more in touch with that because like these it's not like these things are so crazy like what she was campaigning on, like free education or health care or like ā€“ I mean abolishing ICE. I can see how that could be politically like someone on like a strategist would be like, OK, that could alienate a Trump voter.
Starting point is 00:40:14 But like those sort of basic things, like I think most people would get behind the idea if you could find a way that just in general being able to have those sort of services appeals to most Americans if not all. I don't know. Just in general, being able to have those sort of services appeals to most Americans, if not all. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's a problem that we're having right now with the internet, which is nationalizing localized politics to some extent. It used to be those were entirely different things. And now everything local is national. Everything national is local.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Right. Because the problem is that in national speaking, Duverger's law would come into effect, which is what we're talking about with the moderation aspect. That's how you get coalition governments because you would have two smaller parties would get together and gang up against a bigger party. And so it's usually the moderate candidate ends up getting the most amount of votes. This is kind of like a weird mathematical thing. But the problem is the way the parties have gone, especially over the last couple of years, is that the Republican Party is way better at drumming up their base and getting their base really on board. And the Democratic Party, their base is way more fickle because they're a little more perfection-based. The Republicans can kind of get on board with like, all right, it's us versus them. And the Democrat base, the left, really needs you to actually hit all of the checklists.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Right, right, right. needs you to pay like to actually hit all of the checklist right right right and so the problem is is if i've seen a lot of uh of my friends where it's like if you're if you are a perfect candidate for them minus one issue that's not even a major issue they will not vote for you right uh and that and that and i'm not necessarily trying to call out everybody like all leftists as you know persnickety but that is just kind of how things have gone because you know broadly speaking the democratic party kind of cares more about the actual policies and the Republican Party kind of cares more about, you know, the talking points and the camaraderie, the kind of the group mentality. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:41:55 And so the thing is, I think in some areas, yeah, going left works. That like that area that she was in, the Brooklyn, Queens area, like that's a very left area. Right. But I do think that there are areas of the country where, in a perfect world, yeah, everybody would vote for those policies that you were listing. And that's in a perfect world, but there are some parts of the country where, unfortunately, politicians have to somewhat listen to their constituents. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. And they should. And I say that on the left and the right.
Starting point is 00:42:21 I think the right has a hard time doing that as well. And it's like ā€“ so that's where you get some of these like you know red state Democrats where they're kind of middle grounding it I don't think that they're right most of the time but that's kind of where you get this kind of weird thing it's everything exists kind of in a gray space the left part has the problem like that they have on Shark Tank where if you have a if you have a product that you have to like explain what the product does to everybody and educate them, then especially Mark Cuban, no one wants in on that product because so much money is spent on education.
Starting point is 00:42:51 And I feel like that's the problem with a lot of left policies is once people figure out that that is what they should want, then it makes sense. It's like we were talking about the trade wars. But it takes so much to get through to them. take so much to get through to them. Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, no, what you just said, like if you back talk a Trump supporter, if you like just start listing off things that they should want
Starting point is 00:43:09 and then like unveil that that was actually leftist policies, you might actually get a couple until you tell them it's leftist policies and then they'll flip back to, well, I didn't mean that. Yeah. I meant Medicare for me.
Starting point is 00:43:21 You can backdoor them in, you know, you can just tell them like, don't you want to have, you know, more money? Don't you want to have higher health care? More money? Yeah. They all wanted health care, and they voted for a guy that was like, get rid of health care. And now they're like, wait, wait, hold on. Exactly. Yeah. And so there's just so much
Starting point is 00:43:36 noise out there. I think the criticism is coming from it's sort of almost a willful misunderstanding of the fact that, like you said, you don't have to apply the policies that somebody, a House member is applying in the Bronx to Doug Jones's Senate seat. Like that's not a thing that needs to happen. And I guess they're looking forward to 2020, but that's just the media wanting to have a story to complain about. I think the Democrats are kind of tailoring their message to the particular race that they're running, which I think is probably smart.
Starting point is 00:44:18 But I do think there is this sort of lagging behind of, we talked earlier this week about how I just think it's notable that the Fox News is the only mainstream media TV outlet that is all the way to one pole or the other. And I think Fox News is really the only people who have adapted to this new world where the audience is polarized. And the way they've adapted to that is by making themselves literally a part of the Trump administration. And now quite literally a part. State propaganda. Let's talk about how literal that has become.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Yeah, because now Bill Shine, who was the number two at one point at Fox News, is announced as the new communications director at the White House. Oh, sure. Yeah. And he got booted like a year ago because he was trying to cover up all the Roger Ailes scandals and was like fighting to keep O'Reilly like in the job and shit like that. So to give you an idea of where this is coming from. He was too problematic for Fox News. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:19 That is very problematic. And so, yeah, now he it's's pretty much Fox News, White House. They're holding hands officially or, you know, unofficially. But yes, I mean, again, I think this was inevitable, the way things are going, how Trump really only gives interviews to Fox and has bedtime phone time with Sean Hannity. So, you know, they're just making it official. Bedtime phone time sounds like mystery date. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:44 No, to me, I always, I just imagine them like kicking his feet up yeah and like on a corded phone like playing with the court like when lisa calls the cory hotline on the simpsons um yeah that's how i see it but so uh there's someone uh wrote like uh like in mother jones i forget they had an anecdote about this guy bill shine because they used to work at fox and they said on like one time they came into a meeting with him and in his office he just had a wall of tvs showing every other news network including foxes and it was all on mute and this person had their back to the wall and in the middle of the conversation like bill shine apparently stops picks up the phone he's like hey what happened to the the the smoke no go back to that yeah Yeah, stay on it. I don't want to show anything else.
Starting point is 00:46:26 And hangs up. And he looks back, and it was like, there was a fire in St. Louis or something, but it was like an underground fire. So the footage was from a helicopter with just smoke coming out of the grates. And this person asked Bill Shine, he's like, what was that about?
Starting point is 00:46:41 He goes, they changed the shot. He's like, we got to go to this. We got to keep this fire thing going so that's how involved he is right but then but no the thing is but he's like why do that he's like people will stay on like they will stay on your channel for hours if you show a fire flames are the best he's like but smoke they will still watch and you can get them to watch for like 13 hours i swear to god like so the way he's talking he's like this just talking, just sort of like, I know how to like, you know, this is how we run the news. Manipulation genius.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Yeah, and the dude is almost like, he almost came off as someone who didn't really care about the politics. But just like the high of like knowing how to get people to watch news or get them all like fired up. Oh, sure. And that was his whole thing. But yeah. Yeah, it's all marketing. Welcome to the White House. He's like the Ted Turner of Fox News.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Right. I was half expecting you to say, and then He's like the Ted Turner of Fox News. Right. I was half expecting you to say, and then he pulls up a chart showing smoke, and then fire, and then big fire. Big fire, oh my God. Oh, if there's an explosion, man, you could repeat that all day. All right, and as we go to our next break,
Starting point is 00:47:38 let's just think, what do you think they found out about Scott Pruitt that he is resigning now? Do you think there's going to be a story that breaks pure speculation? But like, is he resigning because of the just huge preponderance of, you know, fuck ups and just weird half assed corruption? I don't know. I don't know. There must have been some real.
Starting point is 00:47:59 I don't know, because there were so many moments are like, yeah, this would get in fire. This would make they would ask him to resign. Maybe it was that woman who asked him very nicely in the restaurant. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, finally, just the woman holding the baby finally broke through. Yeah, that would be amazing. He's like, man, I talked to one of these people. She tin manned him.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Yeah. She got him. The first normal person he's talked to in like five years. He's like, holy shit, she politely asked me to resign. It really hit me. She was pointing to her baby, and I thought about that. I's like, holy shit, she politely asked me to resign. It really hit me. And like, she was like pointing to her baby. And I thought about that. I was like, yeah, like I would be dead.
Starting point is 00:48:29 But then that baby would be like alive to experience the fucked up earth. Oh, fuck. Just never occurred to him. I've always said Scott Pruitt is a politics vampire, a policy vampire. And so I think what it was is he just was waiting for someone to ask him to leave. Like he just couldn't. He physically was unable to leave the office because no one
Starting point is 00:48:49 had just said, would you please leave? Yeah. I'm released from my curse. All right. We're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Dr. Laurie Santos, host of the Happiness Lab podcast. As the U.S. elections approach, it can feel like we're angrier and more divided than ever. But in a new, hopeful season of my podcast, I'll share what the science really shows, that we're surprisingly more united than most people think. We all know something is wrong in our culture, in our politics, and that we need to do better and that we can do better. With the help of Stanford psychologist Jamil Zaki.
Starting point is 00:49:33 It's really tragic. If cynicism were a pill, it'd be a poison. We'll see that our fellow humans, even those we disagree with, are more generous than we assume. My assumption, my feeling, my hunch is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in relationships with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. MTV's official challenge podcast is back for another season.
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Starting point is 00:50:30 Yes. Each week, cast members will be joining us to spill all of the tea on the relentless challenges, heartbreaking eliminations, and of course, all the juicy drama. And let's not forget about the hookups. Anyway, regardless of what era you're rooting for at home, everyone is welcome here on MTV's official challenge podcast. So join us every week as we break down episodes of the Challenge 40 Battle of the Eras. Listen to MTV's official challenge podcast on the iHeartRadio
Starting point is 00:50:57 app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds, Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists, but the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. I mean, my reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest,
Starting point is 00:51:35 a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch
Starting point is 00:52:03 with the best guest you could possibly ask for. People like David Duchovny. You know, New Yorkers have a reputation of being very tough, but it's not. It's not that way at all. They're very accepting. Jeff Goldblum. Are you saying secret fries? Secret fries.
Starting point is 00:52:17 What? That's what you're saying? Yeah. And Kristen Wiig. I just became so aware that I'm such a loud chewer. My husband's just like, sometimes I'll be eating and he'll just be looking at me. I'm like, I'm just eating. Like, I don't know how else to chew.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Table for Two is a bit different from other interview shows. We sit down at a great restaurant for a meal and the stories start flowing. Our second season is airing right now, so you can catch up on our conversations that are intimate, surprising, and often hilarious. Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we wanted to talk about a coming attraction, coming feature that is being made currently in production,
Starting point is 00:53:11 even though it's also currently being funded on a Kickstarter. I think it's a GoFundMe. I think it's garnered $1 thousand dollars or a couple thousand dollars. It's a filmmaker by the name of Nick Loeb, which if you don't know him as a filmmaker, that's because he's never made a film before. was dating Sofia Vergara and brought his main product that he sold, Onion Crunch, which is a...
Starting point is 00:53:49 Fried onion topping. Fried onion topping for hamburgers. He brought that to a meeting with President Obama, an appearance where Sofia Vergara was invited to the White House. She brought her boyfriend who was like, hey, can I get our picture taken with this can of wonderful onion crunch?
Starting point is 00:54:11 And she was so embarrassed reportedly that ended their relationship. But they had two frozen embryos. They were thinking about doing IVF. And he is now suing her for custody of the frozen embryos, and it's just a whole mess, but he has used this as a way to sort of stake his claim as Mr. Pro-Life kind of thing, claiming that Sofia Vergara was going to destroy the fetuses without his say-so. Or embryos, technically. Yeah, embryos, sorry. And he's the man, so she shouldn't be able to make decisions like that without the man involved. So when he saw that he was getting a little heat as Mr. Pro-Life, he decided to make Roe v. Wade the movie.
Starting point is 00:55:01 And that's the name of the fucking movie, right? It's Roe v. Wade, the movie. And that's the name of the fucking movie, right? It's Roe v. Wade. Yeah. It's like one of those parody movies that they used to, like, scary movie. The movie. Yeah, superhero movie. Onion Crunch, the movie. I would much prefer that movie.
Starting point is 00:55:15 I would love to see that. I want to know the history of Onion Crunch. My God. Who knows? This onion is so crunchy. That fucking fight after he tried to pose with it must have been epic. What the fuck were you doing? I'm sorry, man. I said this would help really help onion crunch that obama story is the most la meets washington dc story i've ever heard in my entire life right like that's
Starting point is 00:55:34 just 100 percent yeah everyone you meet in both of those cities combined right it was wild it was so on brand it was great so yeah what's going on with this movie? It's in production, right? Because people are quitting it left and right. Right. So the reason he is the filmmaker behind this is because the director quit after she realized what the movie was. Also,
Starting point is 00:55:57 there's been multiple occasions where production assistants, people who work on the film quit once they find out what the movie is. You know you're making a good movie when you have to actively hide the subject of the movie from the people working on the movie so that they don't quit.
Starting point is 00:56:13 And at one point, he was walking off the set and someone walked up to him with a headset, you know, a PA, and was like, hey, are you the director? And he said, I am. And she said, go fuck yourself. And threw her headset on the ground and walked off. and was like, hey, are you the director? And he said, I am. And she said, go fuck yourself. And threw her headset on the ground and walked off.
Starting point is 00:56:30 So she was the electrician on the film. Amazing. Becoming a more dangerous place to work. Hey, are you the director? Go fuck yourself. I quit. But it does have some stars in it. It has.
Starting point is 00:56:44 And the whole thing is meant to be like how this is a horrible mistake. Yes. And how it was just so gross over you. It's like Inherit the Wind for Roe v. Wade, but if it was propaganda against him. Right. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, the heavy hitters in this film are crazy.
Starting point is 00:56:56 So who's who of conservative A-listers like Jon Voight will be appearing? Of course. Sure. Goonies villain Robert Davey. Robert Davey. Yeah, dude. He's so gross. I love it. What a great way to introduce him, too. Goonies villain Robert Davey. Robert Davey, yeah, dude. He's so gross. What a great way to introduce him, too.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Goonies villain. And Stacey Dash. Of course. Also, Kelsey Grammer's daughter is going to be making an appearance. I'll check that out. Yeah, it's a legal drama, but it's going to be just peppered with tons of- Corbin Bernson from Major League? Oh, you know it.
Starting point is 00:57:24 He was also former president of SAG but I looked on the IMDB and also Joey Lawrence and Jamie Kennedy are listed as well on the IMDB as being in it
Starting point is 00:57:34 interesting yeah which okay it'll be called Whoa! V-Wade so you're saying
Starting point is 00:57:39 this goes all the way to the top of Hollywood well but here's the problem here's the problem it's missing two major names for me which are Kirk Cameron and James Woods.
Starting point is 00:57:47 And I'm like, how good of a movie can it be if it doesn't have Kirk Cameron and James Woods? And also, James Woods' agent just fired him yesterday. Oh, got rid of him. Yeah. He was like, on Independence Day, I'm going to celebrate my independence by firing you, basically. Sent him an email.
Starting point is 00:58:01 And I'm just like, well, I mean, but how good of an agent is he if he couldn't get James Woods in this film you know James isn't acting a lot these days and this seems like right up his alley or maybe even he has standards like I can't even be
Starting point is 00:58:11 in this shit show I don't think James Woods has fucking Stacey Dash no I'd be surprised if James Woods had standards
Starting point is 00:58:16 yeah but the campaign has so it has raised $134,572 which is a lot of money to raise for anything. But Miles, as somebody who has worked in production- That money can go real quick. On a major actual Hollywood movie, that would be-
Starting point is 00:58:34 You could rent a camera rig for one day or two days and cash out your $100,000 right there. Again, we don't know what they're using the money for these people getting paid i'm like are they having mcdonald's for lunch i don't know uh yeah that's not a lot of money that is not that's not that's not enough for they're shooting it in one location it's an abandoned warehouse yeah right that they've outfitted to look like the supreme court supreme court and it all takes it's a contained thriller right in one room it's a bottle episode exactly there's also a historic recreation we only got yeah we locked the doors of the Supreme Court we're gonna get this settled today for 134,000 we could we can afford to pay two PAs a sound guy a
Starting point is 00:59:16 makeup person and just have this warehouse for about eight hours yeah um to give us an idea of the production quality of the movie the Indiegogo campaign features a video of Alveda King, who is Martin Luther King Jr.'s sort of conspiracy theorist daughter. So they have her green screened, and the background that they've chosen is a living room. So it was almost like they wanted to make it seem like she was on location at her home but it's clearly green screened so they just green screened a casual location for her appearance and she's
Starting point is 00:59:53 just saying how important this movie is she also uh you know thinks Planned Parenthood is in the business of selling baby parts uh I'm sorry what and that's oh you haven't heard that those are her theories you haven't heard about that no are her theories she deals with? You haven't heard about that? No. Birth control gives women cancer. Sure, we've all been there. Oh, cool. Lots of other wild theories. Keeping the spirit of her father alive. Yeah, my favorite thing was she name-checked the Margaret Sanger KKK
Starting point is 01:00:15 speech that she gave. Because Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood, spoke to the KKK and that was a big thing a couple of years ago that they were trying to disprove Planned Parenthood, which is, again, a weird like conservative tactic that no one else ever uses, which is, hey, historical figures that you like did bad things. Right. That disproves everything they believed. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:33 And it's like, no, I don't care. You can just throw her away. I'll keep the thing I still care about, though. But the thing was that she just like spoke to anybody who would have her. And so she specifically like spoke out against the KKK. But it was like, but I also want to let them know about reproductive rights. And Martin Luther King liked Margaret Sanger
Starting point is 01:00:49 and accepted an award from her. So if you're going to trade on the Martin Luther King name, you need to at least do the research into what he actually thought. What a mess. But I think you were actually right when you said that she was on set, because I think that's how they're getting the 100K,
Starting point is 01:01:01 is that the whole set's just green screen. I think it's just a giant green screen, and they're just going to do the whole thing that way. That's how they're getting the $100K is that the whole set's just green screen. I think it's just a giant green screen and they're just going to do the whole thing that way. That's how you stretch the budget. I mean, my goodness. I would love to watch that. I cannot wait to see an all green screen movie. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:13 The person who has to key everything out. Well, good for you. Good for you guys. They just hired Andy Serkis and then they're going to layer Jon Voight over him because it's just cheaper that way. Can you do a John Voight? But they are using the Supreme Court retirement of Justice Kennedy on their Indiegogo to raise
Starting point is 01:01:32 money. And, you know, this is... So that's why it's in the news, so to speak. But yeah, we'll keep an eye out for that one. They say Supreme Court Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement and our movie could have influence on who is picked as the new justice, which suggests that they could finish the movie before Monday. Because he's announcing his nominee on Monday. I mean, with that budget, they're going to have to. Right.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Just for craft services alone. Right. Just craft macaroni and cheese services. You guys have two times now made the assumption that they are feeding the people who work on this movie, and I just do not believe that to be the case. I just look at some of the perks on the Indiegogo thing. Jack, I wish, if this weren't so problematic, I wish we could pay the money to go for a set visit.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Yeah. Or the premiere. Just to see what kind of a fucking shit show. I mean, I'm sure somebody out there, because aren't they filming around like new orleans or something like that yes they're in louisiana hey if any zeit gang out there if you see them please send me some pictures i would love to see what this production quote unquote looks like if it's just a like a canon dslr like in a selfie stick i don't know if i can handle looking at a picture of a sad john voight like that's just that's several different levels of just uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:02:51 All right. So the latest sort of panic story about how young Americans are ruining the future is that young Americans are having fewer children than the number that would replace the population. And the reason in a new poll, the New York Times has figured out is because they think children are too expensive. Yeah. I mean, when they looked at all the broke down all their responses to why people are having fewer children, the number one was child care is too expensive, then want more time for the children I have, worried about the economy, can't afford more children, weighted because of financial instability want more leisure time a lot of these things are just tied to the quality of life and clearly because at the beginning they thought the recession was causing the dip in the fertility rate
Starting point is 01:03:33 and then when the economy recovering they're like well then what the fuck is it it's because it's wages my guy no one is paid no one makes enough money to live regularly anymore the job numbers can be read in a way that makes it look good, but they can also be read in a way that like the gigs that people are working are not great. It's a gig economy. And yes, they're employed,
Starting point is 01:03:53 but they're employed, you know, by Uber driving, uh, to delivering food to, you know, sporadic and long hours. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Yeah. It's interns having babies out there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you gotta be balling to have a kid basically right yeah that's how i'm gonna flex now yeah you you have a hand fan i'm just walking around with baby like yeah i can afford this uh where do you get the baby
Starting point is 01:04:16 yeah well is it on a rental basis it's that's a new app yeah just to flex baby flex yeah baby rental yeah hell yeah it's just reverse tricking someone into babysitting. Yeah. Right. It's just what it is. Hey, you want to rent this baby? You got to take care of it and feed it at this time. You pay me for that.
Starting point is 01:04:33 Yeah. And also, do you have a life scan? I need to know if your fingerprint is in a criminal database. Nobody's got time to keep that secure of a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Child care is probably the biggest thing, right? That you have to pay. That's like not- You got to pay a that secure of a baby. Childcare is probably the biggest thing, right?
Starting point is 01:04:47 You have to pay a lot of money. It's not like you can just drop your kid off at the IKEA play place and be like, yeah, I'm going to go shopping for eight hours. I'll be back at 530. I barely have enough money to feed myself. I can't imagine them having to feed another person and also having to give them free clothes. What is that about? Just wear my old shit, baby. Yeah, just wear my Harlem Globetrot just wear my harlem globetrotters
Starting point is 01:05:06 jersey from when i was in middle school that's the only thing you get we'll tape the bottom up so it doesn't look all goofy yeah oh you gotta use cloth diapers because you don't have money to get like the expendable ones then you gotta wash cloth diapers nobody wants that i'm not here for this uh this is part of a larger story where predominantly Generation X and baby boomer mainstream media are reporting on millennials as like they can't understand their decision making process and why they're not doing the things that, you know, Generation X and baby boomers did at their age. And it's like you fucked up the economy as the economy is like destroyed. And yeah, there are some numbers that look good. But I mean, we were talking earlier this week about this book, Squeezed, where a journalist just wrote about all the different industries that just haven't kept pace, like the amount
Starting point is 01:05:57 of money that people are made. Yes, they may be employed, but the amount of money that people are making, wages are not there. And I feel like that's going to be a bigger and bigger story. Well, like some of it's also just cultural differences. Like there's just generational cultural differences to some extent. Like there was one article I saw recently that was like millennials aren't joining country clubs. And it was like, yeah, some of that's money.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Some of that's that no one wants to join a country club. Like I just don't want to be there. Yeah, that's not a marker of like you making it anymore. That's like seeing an article for like the baby boomer generation that's like, no one's hiring large jazz bands anymore. You know, they're ruining the jazz band economy. Is Swing dead? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Thank these hippies. Just wait till the 90s, it'll come back. But it's, yeah, it's just like, sometimes it's just, no, we just don't do that anymore. But if millennials aren't joining country clubs, where do they go to golf together while being sure that women can't join them? Right. I don't understand. Or you know who. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Or you know who. Yes, of course. The Marx Brothers. Yeah. My favorite thing about the millennial hot takes are that millennials to older people are this mythological creature that is both very old and very young, like fairies, but they look very young, but they're very old. Because like, that was the whole thing with like the elections and stuff going on. It's like, should millennials be in politics? They're too young, but why aren't they having babies also? They're too old to be like,
Starting point is 01:07:16 this is like, what do you, what do you want from us? Do you want us to be adults or do you want us to still be children? I'm not sure. Right. Yeah. They're buying avocado toast instead of diamonds, country club memberships, houses, or, you know, financially planning for children. Maybe it's because they don't have a shitload of money, guys. I don't know. We're the brokest generation. Millennials are killing the castle industry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:39 No one's building new castles anymore. It's like, yeah, another private jet dealer goes out of business. I mean, I have all these G3s. They're just sitting there. Did you guys hear about the mink stall factory in Canada that closed recently? It's like, my man.
Starting point is 01:07:54 So many jobs, so many mink stalls. Right. Well, Cody, it has been a pleasure having you, man. It's been a pleasure being here. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Where can people find you and follow you? You can find me at Cody Melcher ESQ on all social media but one. You can find me at www.codymelcher.com. Do you have a law degree? I do not. Then get out. I can get in a very intricate conversation about Esquire, but also it's not specifically used for law degrees.
Starting point is 01:08:22 about Esquire, but also it's not specifically used for law degrees. In British, it's a court system thing, but in American culture, it can be just used for like a gentleman title for law or also if you work in the foreign service. Okay. So you're a gentleman. I am indeed. Okay. My old Twitter handle was at Eccentric Gent. Oh, hey, look at that.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Yeah. And do you have a tweet that you would like to share with our listeners for their enjoyment? Yes. I recently saw this tweet, which was, it's from at Crowfoot Jim. There were only two of us on the assembly line making Dracula figures. I had to make every second count. I love wordplay.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Good time. Love it. I had to make every second. Oh, second count. Every second count?, second count. Every second count? Every second count. Perfectly timed. Shout out to Nick on that one.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Hey, Miles. Hi. What's going on, man? Oh, not much, mate. Where can people find you and follow you other than in your home in Melbourne? Twitter. Instagram at Miles of Grey. I'm there all day, all night.
Starting point is 01:09:26 What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, man. I read one from Jaboukie, at Jaboukie. Jaboukie Youngwhite, if you don't follow him on Twitter, what is wrong with you? But he said, anyone at the gym with no headphones is training to avenge someone's death. That's so good. And so true. That is such a weird, I mean, I don't go to the gym but i i can picture that
Starting point is 01:09:45 uh my name is jack you can follow me at jack underscore o'brien i don't know why that came out of my brain my name is jack my name is jack okay simple jack uh so i have two tweets one somewhat serious serious. Louie Verified tweeted, What's something that seems obvious within your profession but the general public seems to misunderstand? Zachary Berger, MD, tweeted, Sick people aren't at fault for getting sick, which is a weird thing that I do think is built into American culture somehow. We just feel less sympathy for people who are sick.
Starting point is 01:10:24 It's like this weird health privilege right yeah exactly um and then karen kilgariff uh one of the greats co-host of my favorite murder tweeted once at a party i was stuck in a boring group conversation then i remembered i had a banana in my purse so i pulled out, answered it like a phone, and said, sorry guys, I have to take this, and walked away. We are the masters of our own faith. And I love that, and that is also a shout-out to my college friend, Ryan Gallagher, who did that exact same bit in college
Starting point is 01:10:56 when mobile phones were getting popular, and he didn't have one. People love the banana phone. The banana phone? There's something funny about it. You can follow us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. You can follow us on Instagram at The Daily Zeitgeist. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes.
Starting point is 01:11:17 We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song that we ride out on, Miles. What's that going to be today? Oh, wow. episode as well as the song that we ride out on miles what's that gonna be today oh wow today let's do a little track by jim james called hide in plain sight uh it's just got you know it's it's funky it's funky it's got a real nice groove to it and like i like to say it'll make your big toe shoot up in your boot you do like to say that love that well it's actually from a jimmy hendrix documentary where uh little richard is describing jimmy Love that. Well, it's actually from a Jimi Hendrix documentary where Little Richard is describing Jimi Hendrix guitar playing. It's amazing because he's flying on cocaine. Anyway, this track is...
Starting point is 01:11:52 That's Jim James from My Morning Jacket. Yeah. One in the Sand. I believe so. Yeah. That's going to do it for today. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you guys then.
Starting point is 01:14:10 Bye. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not afraid to say it's too late You don't know you can't see it ain't right Did you think you could hide a clean sight? Life goes on with or without you But I hope you know I still care about you I know you think we're all out here on our own But you don't have to go this alone You don't stop, you don't go, you ain't right Did you think you could hide and play inside? Look up, and the heavens open
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Starting point is 01:15:40 You don't stop, you don't go, you ain't blind Did you think you could hide and play inside? I'm on my own, ain't nobody watching Now what happens is on my own watching The world will listen, the world will understand But if you do, oh, please take my hand I'll follow you on to the end of the earth Still realize, still realize
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