The Daily Zeitgeist - President Oprah, Trump’s Daily Routine 1.8.18
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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 13, Episode 1 of Das Daily Zeitgeist.
For January 8th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien,
a.k.a. How Stella Got Her Groove, Jack,
courtesy of Tyler Woolton,
and I'm joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.
That's right, it's your boy, Miles, a.k my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. That's right.
It's your boy, Miles, a.k.a.
3000 Miles to Gray's Land.
Also from Tyler Ulton at Asphyncter Says. What?
So, wow. He did a double whammy
today. So, shout out to him. Also, I want to shout out
Krista in Florida, Emma in D.C.,
The American Butcher on Instagram.
I see your Knife Skills fam in Sarah and Boise.
Very kind words.
Glad to see the Zeit gang is out there in all places.
Oh, yeah.
And remind me to read off the people who sent us screen caps of their reviews on iTunes.
Hell yeah.
And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious stand-up comedian Billy Wayne Davis.
Hi, everybody.
Wow.
Hey.
Good morning.
Never know how to come in and say hello.
Billy William, what is something that you have searched in the not-too-distant past
that is revealing about who you are as a human being?
I looked up how to spell something so I could win an argument the other day.
I think that defines who I am.
Where I was like, this fucking, I don't know how to spell it either.
Okay.
Now I have to look it up.
What was it?
Oh, it was Adderall.
It was Adderall.
I looked up how, I don't use Adderall or drugs.
And what was the debate?
Using T's or D's or number of R's or L's?
It's the D's and the L's.
Two of each?
There's two D's, two L's, yeah.
Two D's, two L's and two R's? No. I would's, two L's. Yeah. Two D's, two L's, and two R's?
No.
No.
I would have gone two R's.
No.
Yeah, that's what I was confused about.
And then the L's.
Like a fool.
Like an idiot.
Wait, so then how do you get an argument over how Adderall is spelled?
It wasn't.
That wasn't what I was thinking about.
I was looking up a joke about it.
It was a picture of Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan on Twitter, and they just look like just sped up.
And I just tweeted.
I was like, oh, this is when they used to call Adderall speed.
Right.
And I need to know how to spell it.
Right.
It really gets the boom.
Yeah.
Capitalize it because it's a proper drug.
Yeah.
That stuff's been popular with the kids for a while.
They just keep renaming it. Right. Exactly. MDMA. It's ecstasy. it because it's a proper proper drug yeah that stuff's been not using kids for a while you know
they just keep renaming it right exactly mdma it's like it's ecstasy no it's called molly
you used to have to get it from biker gangs and truckers and now kids get it from their
child psychologists exactly um and flip it or the male campus is everywhere right uh what's something that's overrated billy just general overrated overrated
opinions all right what's something that's underrated who are we talking about louis
katz you guys are talking about louis katz or i think he's very underrated he's a funny funny
comedian uh what's his what's his material like i'm not familiar with louis katz it's just all
clever there's no wasted words yeah it's uh it's never
going to go in the right in the direction you think it is even when it should okay yeah i think
he's very very clever and has an interesting honest look even when it's about yourself i think
that's the hardest an honest look like he doesn't look like a snake oil salesman what do you know
like his take is oh okay i was like you – you mean like because some people get on stage looking like –
I mean he's Jewish, so you don't trust him.
I don't trust him.
That's a joke for everybody.
I mean with my accent, yeah, you do need to clarify.
We will be announcing all of Billy Wayne Davis' jokes for him.
Yeah, exactly.
And that was a joke.
That actually might help my career.
On the side of the stage.
What he means by this is there's one lady like, thank you.
Right.
That's going to write something.
All right.
We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there changing the world.
We talk about pop culture, the news, just trying to take the temperature of the global shared consciousness of the human species.
Miles, what's our temperature?
It's a hot one.
It's hot.
I think it's still hot.
It's getting hot.
Burning up.
Yo, I mean, look, President pissed the bed, and he had all kinds of crazy stuff to deal
with over the weekend.
I think we're like at 100, I'm going to say 101.3.
Our mom just put a wet washcloth on our forehead.
Exactly.
Well, didn't this year feel like, I don't know if you guys have ever served tables but like when you have like a crazy busy shift it's just over like that yeah right and
i feel like that's what this year felt like where i was like oh we're done oh yeah because every day
was a nightmare yeah right it's just non-stop you just don't know what just happened are we going
through like the like the stages of grief too, like year by year?
Like what's the first one?
Is it denial?
I thought anger.
Anger is the first one?
No, denial is probably the first one.
Yeah, were we –
None of that is accurate, by the way.
Oh, what, the stages of grief?
They're like – everybody deals with it in their own way.
Yeah, it's not a real – yeah, exactly.
I just don't talk about it and internalize everything.
Let it fester.
No one dies.
Yeah, no one ever really dies thank
you pharrell any or no one's ever dead right uh but we like to start off by asking our guest what
something that's out there in the shared consciousness uh that they know to be not true
uh they know to be a myth based on their personal experience that what we as a society
define as justice is not necessarily the universe's definition of justice whoa that's a that's a big
one i think dealing with the court system on the light level I have, good and bad,
where it's been like, oh, okay, this system's not – it's not balanced.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a myth.
I think that a lot that the way our court system is and prison system functions will be the thing that our great-grandchildren look back on us and are like, well, they didn't know.
Everybody was okay with it back then.
You know, the way that –
They just put humans in cages.
We have to talk about our founding fathers.
Well, you even look on Twitter.
Everyone's like, they should be put in jail.
It's like a joke.
Right. everyone's like they should be put in jail it's like a joke right like yo we gotta chill on that
talk right right right as a whole because that is not a real solution and most people said
i was like you've ever spent i mean i've spent like 24 hours in jail a couple times
a couple times three years consecutively no no no no no it was just enough to be like oh this
okay i get it okay i get it enough to be your own version of scared straight.
I will not do this again because I can't leave, can I?
This sucks.
Right.
I can't go outside.
Ugh.
When I want to, I get it.
So when people are like, oh, just put people in jail, I'm like, that's not a solution.
Right.
It's like throwing your clothes in your closet and being like, I cleaned it.
Right.
Right.
It's out of view.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Right. Right. It's out of view. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like throwing perishable food in your closet and being like, yeah, this will work out well.
Then I ate it and it killed me.
Right.
Exactly.
What did you expect was going to happen in there all that time? Exactly.
All right.
We're going to open up talking about the continuing to evolve Fallout from the Fire and Fury book.
Did you guys read it?
No.
Can't get my hands on it.
Really?
I mean, I could get an e-book version.
I was going to be like, you have that thing.
Yeah, I can pirate it.
I can get a PDF.
But yeah, no, I've been reading a lot of excerpts.
I don't know if I want to read it quite yet because I'm just getting all the juicy stuff.
I feel like I'm just going to roll my eyes so hard into my head.
I injure myself.
But yeah, so it's by Michael Wolff.
We talked about last week how not the most trustworthy source of information based on his track record.
source of information based on his track record um but the president is certainly responding to to the allegations in the book in a way that suggests he's taking them very seriously
um he telegraphs things he's not a great poker no he is not no um he spent the weekend bragging about how smart he was after last week.
So the book came out and people were shocked that Steve Bannon talked open shit about the president and his kids and just how stupid it was for them to commit treason and not have other people just do that for them.
I know.
He was even like, if you're going to do it, do it at a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire.
Why so specific?
He's like, that's where I go to meet my prostitutes.
Right.
Exactly.
So Trump responded to that by calling him Sloppy Steve.
That's the kiss of death.
You got him.
You nailed him.
You got the nickname, bro.
When you get the nickname, you're done.
I bet that got Steve, too.
I bet Bannon was like, did he call me sloppy?
Yeah.
He looks in the mirror for the first time in years.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, I have let myself go.
It'd be amazing.
It took that nickname for him to have a moment of self-awareness.
Just clarity.
I'm like, son of a bitch.
He's gin-blossomed. My gin blossom my gin blossom face looks terrible i think i know why i feel tired a lot i think his entire face is basically a gin blossom at this point oh yeah somewhat impressive i feel
like people on twitter also said it looks like just a rotten can of spam too it's not it's not a not a good look i tweeted that he is philip z moore
hoffman's corpse playing steve bannon this is what he looks like he's like they dug him up
and i let him do it he's a good actor that's what he is wow actually i tweeted i was like he is
and i it made me mad because no one one didn't get as many as I liked.
And then I got mad and retweeted.
I was like, if Patton would have tweeted this, everyone would be asleep from coming so hard.
All right.
Give people the dates so they can retroactively retweet that shit.
It was a couple days ago.
All right.
We'll retweet.
We'll RT that shit.
Russia Today.
Just follow me.
That's all I really care about.
A perfect tweet. But so Bannon has since then responded to the president's name calling by five days later apologizing and saying his quotes were taken out of context.
Apparently some of his financial backers, the Mercer family, are like, we haven't talked to him in months and we're not funding him anymore.
Bullshit.
Yeah.
So he – Oh, no.
They're telling the truth now.
Right.
But it was pretty evident that he was on the losing end of that exchange so he seems sort of contrite now which
is an interesting look for the guy who basically had been on i think speaking of adderall i think
he was on like a a three-year-long adderall binge and like is just now coming down from it and being
like what have i said oh right no no a friend of mine who's like one of those Anion guys, like he lives in the woods.
An anonymous kind of – they call him Anon.
Anon.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Yeah.
I'm not.
Wait, what is that?
It's just like it's a Reddit type anonymous kind of hacker.
The people who are like anonymous.
Oh, anonymous.
The hackers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like a hacker and does other
stuff oh i was like crazy i was like whoa you know someone i was not putting it together that
you know someone in anonymous well i mean or the type of probably all do right because we all work
metaphorically speaking yeah uh which makes it interesting but he was in on banning like real
he was like hip to him like really early uh-huh and And he sent me all this stuff, and it worried me because I was like,
Trump, I have toured the country enough to recognize Trump's got what he's saying is hateful enough to work.
Because I've seen it.
And it's more of the country than people realize.
And then watching Bannon, he's very open about who he is and people don't listen right right he's
a he's a anarchist capitalist so he's he'll just tear everything down to make himself more money
right so he just wants chaos which is what he's doing so he's the one that you're like we need to
watch him right right right because he'll just like he like he said he's like one that you're like, we need to watch him. Right, right, right. Because he'll just, like he said, he's like, I don't know why you would do it yourself.
You get other people to do it.
Right.
There you go.
The most fascinating part of the expert I read was the dinner between Ailes and Bannon.
That was fascinating.
Yeah.
Just how they think about stuff.
Right, right.
And how they talk to each other.
That was something that Michael Wolff was present for, or the author of the book. Right, right. Right. Yeah, that's that's how they work. And in to like kind of further twist the knife. President Trump sent Bannon acolyte Stephen Miller onto the shows over the weekend to sort of talk about how brilliant the president is. um he got like kicked off of cnn yeah literally like
stopped jake jake he's like yo this is over nah dude and then apparently afterwards he wouldn't
leave and the security had to escort him off the set because he was like no i'm not going
he's like if a muppet was evil he really is uh And so one of the things he said to defend President Trump was that in 20 minutes he would dictate 10 paragraphs of new material to address an event we just saw on the news, which that was like the closest he came to giving a detailed account of like, here's why I know the president is a genius.
That's not even a compliment. He I know the president is a genius.
That's not even a compliment.
He's just saying he talked a lot.
Talked for 20 minutes.
About the news, which is something we know he could do.
It's not like he said he spoke completely lucidly and like had like all these organized thought.
Yeah.
The guy can just like watch the news and then speak for 10 paragraphs.
Go to any local open mic. Right. Just sit back and watch people talk about the news and then speak for 10 paragraphs go to any local open mic right just
sit back and watch people talk about the news right exactly yeah it was so clear that like
the white house must be in total chaos because clearly trump is feeling real tight about this
book like a lot of that stuff was especially like knowing that like nobody can change the sheets but
me uh like a lot of the embarrassing shit in there to then have someone go out and basically like fillate him on
tv and be like this man is a genius he could he he will deliver this material flawlessly in front
of 10 000 people like it was so clear and i think even jake tapper says that he goes yeah and i'm
sure your boss is watching and he'll appreciate the audience of one yeah he's like i know you're
doing this for an audience of one and uh yeah then had to
be physically restrained uh and taken out of the studio uh oh so when you were saying earlier that
trump wets the bed you were talking about the fact that he's the only one who can change his sheets
yeah okay yeah and like remember that expert i think where they were saying yeah none of the
housekeeping staff can change the sheets.
And he's the one to remove the sheets himself.
That's strange.
So you know what that's about.
Yeah.
I mean, and again, it's only little kids.
I mean, one of you poops the bed.
Yeah, I guess so.
All right.
Yeah, fair play.
This guy is not who we think he is.
It's almost like a little worse.
No, it doesn't.
I do not pee the bed.
I poop the bed.
I have two little poops.
I mean, all the Filet-O-Fish and Big Macs, man.
They take their toll.
Take their toll.
His trips to the bathroom must be intense. He's just that type of president.
I just wish our president would just piss the bed instead.
God.
Like a normal weirdo.
Like a normal weirdo.
A maybe more interesting insight into the Trump White House is a Axios article that just came out.
They got their hands on. So there's the public schedule that the past few presidents have released.
That's like here's what the president's day looks like.
And it has like vague stuff like meetings, you know, phone call with this country. And then there's the actual schedule that, you know, journalists have to work really hard and make good connections to get their hands on. And, you know, they finally got their hands on Trump's schedule. And apparently the people around him are worried because his workday is shrinking.
He used to start his workday at 9.
Yeah, I'm good.
We're good with that.
You want to call in sick again?
Yeah, no problem, man.
Just stay up there. So he's not starting his workday until 11, but the bad news is that he is spending those first two hours just watching Fox and Friends and tweeting.
So that's not good because –
What are Charlie Sheen's hours?
Right.
Just for comparison, George W. Bush used to arrive in the Oval Office by 6.45.
What the fuck?
Obama would arrive between 9 and 10, but then he would work until 11.
He'd take a break to hang out with his daughters and then work till 11. And Trump checks in at 11, checks out at 6, and he's not checking out to spend time with his family.
No, he is in bed eating cheeseburgers by fucking 6 30
which is wild um so yeah that's that's where we're at it's wild to think that god remember when
everyone hated george w bush yeah and then to know this guy was taking the job seriously like
he was in there at 6 45 like acting like oh he he got that it was the presidency. Or at least he got what his gig was.
Right, right.
He knew Dick's in charge.
Right, exactly.
He gets it.
But I'm supposed to look like the president.
I'm the decision maker.
When he said that, I was like, well, that's what they have told him that.
Right.
And then that's exactly what they've explained it to him.
Like, no, you're the decider, George.
He's like, okay.
Yeah.
And then Dick comes in there.
He's like, is it this one or this one?
And it's just spelled different.
Right.
And George is like, I like that one.
You're the decider.
I like that.
Strategery.
Strategery.
All right.
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So we wanted to talk a little bit about the Golden Globes.
Yes, yes.
The Go-Gloes.
The GGs.
Didn't hear anything about them.
Miles was there.
I was there, yes, because...
Dressed to impress. Dressed to impress.
Dressed to impress.
You know, nothing but the best.
We're internationally known and locally respected.
Sadly, Santa University was snubbed on air, but we did get our award.
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But, yeah, I was there just being a social barnacle on the hull of my mother's career.
Your mother is an esteemed member of the Hollywood Foreign Press.
The Hollywood Foreign Press, yeah.
She's been doing it for a second.
So every now and then I'll say, like, hey, you got an extra ticket?
And then she'll be gracious enough to allow me to join.
And this year, yeah, it was pretty crazy.
I mean, everybody was – it was very much a monumental occasion.
I mean, first question, fly on the wall view of Oprah's speech, which is being called the speech now, eclipsing the I Have a Dream speech and the Gettysburg Address.
It's just the speech.
While it was happening.
Yeah, it was electric.
The room was electric.
Where were you?
I was at the bar.
Oh.
Hearing her thing.
I did not see the speech live.
I cut the tail end, though, because I was like, yo, it's still going on.
So I was like, I went out.
I cut the very last part.
But that's how the Golden Globes are.
It was long, though, right?
Because I walked out when she was walking up to do some garbage stuff.
And then I literally answered a couple of emails and came back in and she was walking up to like take do some garbage stuff and then i literally answered a
couple emails and came back in and she was still talking and i was like okay i knew the award was
coming up so i went to the bar really quick because the only time you can get up is during
the tv breaks and then like it's a mad dash to the bar especially like for the people who are in
that main pit like they have to be real quick with it because like they don't want to they don't want
to have empty seats or anything like that but for all the scumbags who are like
on the periphery of the show i mean like people were like just like laying down like just not
anyway so we were i was at the bar and that was happening it sounded like i mean look in
retrospect after looking at the video it was a great speech uh and a lot of people are you know
they they're really um they're they they they really want Oprah to be president now.
Right.
And I don't agree because I feel like we need to kind of right the ship and have like real people that are politically minded, maybe policy minded come to these positions.
But also, hey, if we're going to go TV star for TV star, then yes.
If it's like Pokemon of presidential candidates, then Oprah, I choose you.
I'm not ruling anything out.
Show me who the other candidate is because I haven't heard like a great Democratic candidate.
is that he got to project a very stylized, like, cleanly edited version of himself that was, like, came directly out of his imagination of, like, you know, a child's idea of a rich person.
And, you know, that was—
A poor person's idea of a rich person.
Yeah, that's right.
And he got to broadcast that to the entire country for, you know, 10 years.
And, you know, that that has some power.
And so, I mean, if that's what people are going up against, I don't know.
Let's let's see who else we can put out there.
Well, I feel like people they want a simple solution.
And I think last night she can speak.
Right.
I mean, we all know that.
And she's powerful when she's very rehearsed.
We've also seen her not rehearse.
She's not great because no one's wonderful not rehearsed.
You're not going to be as eloquent.
But she gave us a moment where we're like, mama, fix it.
Right. And now today people are like, mama, fix it. Right.
And now today people are like, yeah, put her in the White House today.
Yeah.
She would fix it.
But it's like, I don't know.
You don't become a billionaire making friends.
Right.
Right.
And people forget that.
Yeah.
I mean, we're literally we're actually having a conversation where we're talking about do we want Oprah to take over the presidency from Donald Trump?
That's a conversation we're having in 2018.
That still blows my fucking mind that we're saying that.
That's why I'm a little concerned because I'm like, that's how far the pendulum has swung.
People are writing actual articles about this, which is fine because what she said was very inspirational.
It was something that people needed but they're still at the end of the day i'm like wow we're talking about two tv billionaires right like like over who would be a
better president right i mean yeah it depends on how you know symbolic you want to view the office
of the president and like if you just think that it is about getting a figurehead who can be
the leader out in front while a very competent team behind the scenes does you know the smart
stuff then maybe it could work out but i mean there have been all all types of presidents reagan
used to say if you can't explain it to me on a postcard or in a single paragraph,
then I don't want to hear about it.
Oh, my God.
And, you know, he was at least effective at getting his ideas passed.
So, yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
Well, Reagan was a corporate shill his whole career.
He was a commercial guy.
Yeah.
And then all these corporations looked over and were like, what about that dude?
Right.
And he was like, yeah, I can do it.
And they listened to it.
I mean, we're losing the whole conversation to me, which is it's about rich and poor.
And guess what?
Oprah is rich. Right. She's not even rich. She is wealthy. about rich and poor. And guess what? Oprah is rich.
Right.
She's not even rich.
She is wealthy.
She's a billionaire.
So whether we realize it or not,
and even though the things she does appear to be really good,
most of the things she does is really, really great overall.
But when you're a billionaire, you ain't giving that up.
Right. You worked your whole life to become a billionaire, you ain't giving that up. Right.
You worked your whole life to become a billionaire.
You're not giving that up.
So you're a business person. So who I want in there is someone that has been giving for us, like speaks for the majority of Americans.
And by that, I don't mean black, white, whatever.
I mean, poor people.
Right.
And that's it's class. It is rich versus poor. And it's very clear. And that's what we need to fight at that level. We need someone that's going to fight for poor people every day. And it's not a business person because they don't want to be poor. Right. So it's got to, and to me, and I know his fans aren't great, but the only person that's been doing it his whole life and said it and lived it is Bernie Sanders.
Oh, I thought you were going to say Kanye.
That's why I want Kanye to be his vice president.
Because that would scare people not, well, we can't kill him because then Kanye has been charged.
Well, we can't kill him because then Kanye is in charge.
Yeah.
No, that's all definitely true.
Like having a billionaire, I don't know.
And you're talking about the pendulum swing too.
Here's the thing.
In a capitalist society like this, we've swung all the way to the right.
Yeah.
We need some socialism to correct this balance. Absolutely.
We don't need communism, but we need some socialism to correct yeah absolutely we don't need communism but we need some socialism oh yeah yeah yeah because there are no policies coming out of this white
house to advocate for working poor or people who are struggling at all and that's true like when
you have if it's rich versus poor because we clearly are that's what america is right now
it's rich and poor there's barely a middle and you have rich people at the helm constantly then there's i mean no wonder the situation is only getting better for
them and worse for the other party so it's i think it's pretty simple logic you're you're
presenting here billy and i agree well i mean we need people who advocate for the poor conversations
it's getting it's a very that's what we need to focus on right it's like fuck who should be
present like what about all like you know there's schools their schools in Baltimore that don't have heat and the kids are wearing mittens in their classroom because it's 12 degrees?
They don't have electricity.
Yeah.
No, you're absolutely right.
So, yeah.
But, I mean, back to the Golden Globes.
Who wore it best?
Who wore it best?
It'll have to be me.
I just want to add a couple things, a couple observations.
You do look nice.
I saw your Instagram.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Kit Harington from Game of Thrones.
Jon Snow.
This man is so short that it scared me.
I could not.
I thought I was walking up on a dude who was trying to look like Kit Harington from behind.
I was like, look at this short ass Kit Harington wannabe.
And they turned around like, fucking Kit Harington.
He is a little man.
Like five. Five, five, five, sixarington. He is a little man. Like five.
Five, five, five, six, maybe.
And just whispered, angle.
Yeah.
He's just, but yo, that head of hair.
My God.
Somebody who's losing their hair.
And you look at this man's fucking head of hair.
It's like luxury.
And I'm telling you, when you are lacking in the follicle hair department and you look at somebody
with beautiful hair like that,
it's like looking at the ring of power.
Like I was like,
it was like calling me.
Like I haven't noticed it.
That's funny.
You said,
I've been noticing Indian women lately because the hair is amazing.
It's like thick and just,
you're just like,
wow,
that's great.
Yeah.
It's like,
yeah,
it's like being poor,
but with hair,
you know what I mean?
It's like,
it's like,
wow,
that person's hair. I never noticed that before before but that is awesome i am hair homeless and i see
that i'm like god damn that is my life something crazy with their hair you're like yeah have fun
with it yeah have fun with it yeah because i got one look it's called shave it off just don't make
me look crazy but yeah again and then you know again it was a very interesting show because everyone
was wearing black like the the me too movement was was there in full effect uh i forget who brought
um oh no michelle williams brought tarana burke who is the actual woman who's who is credited with
starting the me too campaign um and it was interesting like there was a lot of uh times up pins being worn by men
some were like i overheard the most bro-y agent conversation at a bar like from behind me like
dude tj like i the guy literally said those words dude tj from her screamed it across the bar and i
look another guy from across the room throws his hands up like a what up kind of thing and they
come over like bro
are you getting fucking wild tonight and he's like yeah we're getting dude it's gonna be fucking
crazy you know how we do every year dude blah blah blah and i turn around they all got times up
and i'm like wow like you're gonna respect the shit at a one yeah i was just like wow like it's
funny because like it was like the hottest accessory and And I'm glad because it's good to see celebrities use their platform a bit more to actually speak up on these kinds of issues.
But at the end of the day, the red carpet is – I was reading this article in The New Republic.
I was kind of talking about how the red carpet is basically – it's hard to make a statement on the red carpet because a red carpet is not a place for
speech it's a place to like as they put it's a space for visual merchandising right like like
who looks good who doesn't what blah blah blah and it's true like yeah it's hard to really get a
point across in that way but you know shout out to them uh for for bringing the a lot of these
activists on uh but another thing kind of struck struck me as odd is like the hottest accessory for a lot of these white actresses was like a woman of color.
Right.
And I was like, ooh.
But I see what you're doing.
I like it visually.
It's a little interesting.
It's a little odd.
But I'm glad that we are, you know, that at least there's starting to be a shift.
And I don't know if you guys saw Seth Meyers opening.
Yeah.
and I don't know if you guys saw Seth Meyers opening.
Yeah.
But when he started doing jokes about Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey,
the room got real like it was triggering, you know, because I don't know.
I get you got to do jokes.
Was it triggering or was some guilt involved? I don't know.
That's the thing.
But the jokes felt like unnecessary in the sense of bringing up,
just by saying Harvey Weinstein's name, Ashley Judd was there at the awards.
There are people in that room who have probably had fucked up – people who might not even be public about their experiences.
Most people in that room have had their own experiences with that.
Yeah, and it's too involved with everything.
Right, exactly.
Right.
Yeah, and it's too involved with everything.
Right, exactly.
I mean, someone tweeted an Oprah 2020 picture today.
It said Oprah 2020, and it's a picture of her giving a kiss on the cheek to Harvey Weinstein. To Harvey Weinstein.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
And it was like one of the first things I saw this morning.
I was like, that's pretty funny.
When you say that you've seen Oprah unscripted and she's not that great, are you referring to anything in particular?
Just like.
OK, do you remember when Tom Cruise jumped on that thing?
Right.
She wasn't great in that moment.
Right.
Right.
Not that anyone would be great.
But I mean.
Yeah.
If your job is every day to be on that thing.
Right.
It just to me, it's like with Letterman.
If if shit went awry, that's when it got really funny.
Right.
Right.
But with her, it was like you was just very aware things are in control.
Right.
And if they're not, it ceases to.
Do you know what I mean?
Interesting.
And I have seen behind the scenes things and interviews with her where it seems you just get the impression okay she left earth a long time ago
she's been in her bubble of oprahness and like yeah yeah her name is one word right and there's
not anything that she can necessarily do because she's running a business that is about oprahness
but like when you see stuff behind the scenes and and just the way she kind of talks sometimes,
it does raise the question of how in touch with reality she is,
but then there's a question of how in touch with reality
do we need the president to be.
Very.
Yeah.
I think Barack Obama was a great example.
Yeah.
Someone with their foot firmly planted on the ground. Right. And he was a great example yeah someone with their foot firmly planted on the ground right and he was a
community organizer and if we can go back to the fire and fury book there was a there's a brief
little paragraph between ales and bannon where they mention obama and they talk about how foreign
he was no one in the business world knew him right no one in this place knew him
i just found that fascinating and it to me it opened my eyes i was like oh that's why the
republicans stopped everything he tried to do because they didn't know what he was really
trying to do right so that he scared the living shit out of all those people right out of like
industry yeah oh yeah because they didn't know who he was and it was an eye opening i was like hillary they all know hillary and where she's at right
um back to the important stuff uh the golden globes um i i have seen the reaction of okay
hollywood is being a little bit self-congratulatory for having just been outed as the worst place.
You could have just stopped that sentence right there.
Hollywood is being a little self-
Right.
She was a little bit over the whole Hollywood jerking itself off thing and illustrated with really vivid visual pantomimes that were, quite frankly, work inappropriate.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
But she is HR, so we have no recourse. In this climate.
Right.
Oh.
But I don't know.
I don't know. It did seem like there was a mixture of we're addressing this problem. And look how amazing I am for look, I'm Justin Timberlake. I've got a Time's Up pin on and like, hashtag, this is why we protest or this is why we stand up. But then like he is there because he was in a Woody Allen movie. And, you know, there were people wearing Time's Up pins who have, there are people who are both openly have some issues in their past and people who, you know, just being out here
and talking to a lot of people in the industry are probably the movement is coming for at
some point who were up on stage wearing Time's Up pins.
So we're not going to say specific names because nobody has made specific allegations about these people yet.
But just keep an eye out for people who are up there on stage rocking the Time's Up pin who might have problematic stuff coming.
I think all of Hollywood is problematic.
Right.
Because I'm not taking away from the women's issue here.
But Hollywood's a weird one to come after because this whole town is based around fucking, if we're being honest about it.
There's a sexual thing to this whole town they're
selling this whole town is selling sex so the whole thing is weird right that the conversation
is it's just weird right so i don't know what yeah i mean it's just like and it's a industry
based on like selling illusion too and it's like yeah there's it's all intrigue and you don't know what's
what and and it's not a normal they're not normal job it's just the whole thing is not it's like
it's an interesting time to watch people try to regulate an industry that's they've been trying
to regulate for hundreds of years right and they can't really because it's like a wait hundreds of
years i think they've been trying to regulate since wait what are we talking about the film Right. And they can't really. Because it's like a. Wait, hundreds of years?
I think they've been trying to regulate since.
Wait, what are we talking about?
The film industry?
Not hundreds, but I mean.
Oh, I was about to be like, yo, wait, what do you know about film?
Yeah.
Oh, you guys have never seen this stuff?
Ancient film? I get it.
We got to cut this.
Yeah.
I got invited to a party in the hills one time.
They showed me tapes. I was the only one not wearing a mask
um all right uh yeah see i just brought up a fucking problem where there's no solution it's
just like that's this the whole problem is this town is based on well yeah it's like a bunch of
unchecked egos it's power it's it's it's deception it's like a bunch of unchecked egos. It's power. It's deception. It's crazy.
Yeah, like how do you regulate a fucking madhouse in that way?
People's motivations aren't the same.
Some people are here just so one person in their hometown can eat it.
You know what I mean?
Right, right, right, yeah.
And then other people came here so they could get power and get laid.
Right, and then other people are like actual actors who just want to act.
Yeah, like to be an artist because it's – yeah.
I like to make money doing that, and this is one of the few places you can do that.
Right.
Yeah.
So, I mean, hopefully addressing some of this stuff is going to move in a direction to make it easier to weed the talent out from the – and the people who are interested in art out from,
you know,
the people who are here to just.
Yeah.
I mean,
despite like my own misgivings about some of like the,
you know,
activist kind of stuff,
I think it is good.
No.
Now that it is just commonplace to begin calling out the,
like these kinds of things like sexual abuse or harassment or,
uh,
like wage inequality or harassment or like wage
inequality or lack of representation between like people of color and things
like that.
I think it's good now that those are things you can just blatantly just,
you say them out loud now and it's not like a hot take.
It's like,
yep,
we're going to,
we just need to begin,
just put it all out there,
put it all out there.
So hopefully it's not just a fucking moment.
You know what I mean?
And that's,
that's the one thing. Exactly.
That's why everybody's like, that's great and all to wear the pins and wear black. But until you start putting women in positions of power and hiring more women of color, hiring more women to direct.
I mean, the director, I don't think there was one woman director, right?
No.
Yeah.
Natalie Portman specifically said it.
It was right after the Oprah speech.
And she was like, fuck it.
We're going to say, and now here are the nominees for the – here are the all-male nominees for Best Director.
Yeah, and it's good because it makes people like, ooh, but you need that discomfort to begin to open your eyes a bit.
So let's hope that this moment is a movement.
Right.
All right, we're going to take a quick break.
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So we have two stories still left to talk about on our spreadsheet, we have the fact that 200,000 people from El Salvador are losing their protected status today.
They were given protected status after devastating earthquakes in their home country made it basically uninhabitable.
It has one of the highest murder rates now of any country in the world. And today, the Trump administration announced that they were choosing this time to basically lift the protected status and kick all of these people out of the country.
Which is terrible.
And El Salvador,
like I think even people in El Salvador saying the country is not prepared.
No.
For the return of 200,000 people.
It's already,
it's not even good for the residents that are there now.
Right.
It's just in shambles.
Yeah.
And people,
and like his whole obsession with the MS-13, which he saw on a Fox thing.
I track that back down where when he started talking about MS-13, it was from some Fox segment.
Right. What he doesn't understand is that people think it started in El Salvador.
It started here. Right. Because of what we did.
They can. It's why any gang starts is to protect your community right so apparently
there are a bunch of salvadoran people who are helping rebuild america after these huge super
hurricanes that came through um that they are rounding up and you know sending back and uh i
mean that's that's a no-win no matter what side you're on, really.
Right.
And then the other story we have is football, guys.
Woo!
Yeah.
Thank God.
The NFL.
Yeah, you've been so bored this whole show, huh, Ben?
The NFL playoffs for this weekend and the college football championship is tonight and that's a game now that actually
determines who the the winner is yeah because there's the last time i paid attention to college
football it was like a bunch of fucking algorithms that said oh no this team's the best one well it
still is but they break it down to four instead to no gotcha and then the four are do people like
that no what's the best way you have one of
the four they love it right right right right but it's what do you mean what's the best way i mean
like it would it the best way to just have like a like a march madness type thing where like
people go into like an actual playoff tournament and paying the players right right i mean if i
was a college player and they were like let's add some more games
and i was going to and i wanted to go to the league i'd be like go fuck yourself right i mean
i i got recruited to play college football and i got uh i was interested until i went to some and
saw them practice and then their games and i was like oh they hit hard every time
no right right right no these are the best guys from high school and they're all on the
same team oh that no trying to kill you in practice on practice every day for fun the nfl player who
retired after i think his rookie season i forget his name now um because he was just worried about
you know cte uh was on uh I think, the Bill Simmons podcast fairly recently
and talking about how that's one of the main things that he wants changed
is just people, like, beat the shit out of each other
and, like, destroy each other's brains in practice.
You're right, because we only see what happens on game day.
Like, imagine the dark, like, fucked up injuries that are happening in practice.
I mean, when I was in high school, the reason I went to play baseball in college we only see what happens on game day like imagine the dark like fucked up injuries that are i mean
when i was in high school the reason i went to play baseball in college and not football was
the way i looked at it was like okay at 2 15 during the fall i would look and be like oh no
practice football practice right right and in baseball i'd be like hurry up right baseball
practice is fun right i want to go do that. Yeah. Not like school-sanctioned violence.
Yeah.
I was like, if I want to play professional sports, which one do I want to go?
Baseball.
Yeah.
Because I can play for 15 years if I'm good enough.
Yeah, and you can basically be overweight and still a professional athlete playing baseball.
Exactly.
The most American shit.
Right.
See, if you've got good hand-eye coordination, it doesn't matter how big you are in that midsection.
Yeah, exactly.
Fucking David Wells let himself go at the peak of his career it made him better yeah he was he says
drunk when he pitched a perfect game from the night before uh yeah he's like hungover yeah
hungover drunk my favorite john cruck quote is like uh he's like the lady's like, you're not an athlete. Hell no, I'm not an athlete, lady.
I'm a baseball player.
But anyways, I mean, I don't hate the playoff.
I like it better than when it was just, you know, they decided, okay, this game is for the championship, and it's between maybe the one and two team.
I like that there's a four team playoff i wouldn't mind them moving it up a little bit so that you know you had one less regular season game and it was eight teams uh playing
each other so that you know there were some of these teams like central florida or something
like that like got in like a couple wild cards like that and then whoever wins the major conferences
right and just add a couple more games right yeah and then then
it would have some of the feel of you know march madness which is i think the gold standard of
you know college sport playoff oh yeah or just any sort of playoff because it's single elimination
and you've got these huge you know juggernaut franchises of North Carolina and Duke going up against small schools.
The George Masons of the world.
Yeah.
Different sport, though.
Different sport, that's for sure.
How many times has Alabama been the championship recently?
Don't they spend the most out of everybody in the NCAA, or nearly the most?
By far.
I mean, they also make the most.
Have you been to Tuscaloosa?
Or make among the most?
I have not.
I've seen the funniest place I've ever seen.
Why?
I grew up in the SEC.
I grew up 45 minutes from Knoxville, Tennessee.
Neyland Stadium.
I didn't go to Tennessee, but I love Tennessee football.
You know what I mean?
But Tuscaloosa is something different.
You go down there, it is a tiny town.
I went this summer. I was rolling through and I did stand up and it's empty.
But then I drove to the middle of town and that's where the stadium is.
Right.
So the whole town is built around this stadium.
Even the university is built around everything about that town.
It's the nucleus.
It is down in, in not even like in metaphor. Right. Like's the nucleus. It is. And,
and not even like in metaphor,
right?
Like if an aerial view would show,
right.
The way they've done it.
Everybody looks,
I mean,
we went and there's a Starbucks across the street from the stadium and we went in there.
All the women looking like all the dudes look,
I mean,
it is a cult.
A lot of under armor,
a camel hoodies.
It is what you exactly think it would be.
And all year round.
It is crazy.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And then people are like, well, how can all this crazy politics happen?
Because people don't care.
Right.
Right, right, right, right.
They don't care.
Yeah, and the stadium is the most important thing.
Mm-hmm.
They don't care.
Yeah, and the stadium is the most important thing.
So I was wrong.
University of Alabama is only the sixth most valuable college football team.
Their current value is $93 million.
That's just because people in Alabama are poor.
Probably.
No, that's it. Right.
And they, as a team, they have certain advantages.
Like Nick Saban started hiring all these analysts.
So you're only allowed to have a total of nine coaches on your bench.
But he would have like 20 to 30 like analysts who were actually former head coaches in college football at like huge franchises.
It's like he has a consultant, a hedge fund up in like behind him, up in the coach's box, just like feeding him information.
So like nothing is left up to chance.
And Billy, weren't you saying that your dad?
Oh, yeah.
My dad's my dad's a high school football coach.
So he goes to these coaching clinics.
He went down to Alabama and he was like Saban walks in and there's not a hair out of place.
Everything is just just everything has its place in order.
He's God.
It is order.
Everything is order.
And then he was like, the next day, Rex Ryan walked in.
He's like, got cut off sweats on.
He's got ketchup on his cheek.
He's just saying the F word for no reason.
He's like, see, football is a totally different game.
Like two very successful coaches, two totally different styles.
He's like, during – he's like like Saban knew the answer to every question.
He's like during the – Rex Ryan, they ask him about like what this lineman does,
and Rex Ryan's like, I don't know.
Ask the fucking line coach.
I'm the head coach.
So tonight it's Alabama versus Georgia.
Go Georgia.
I think everybody who's not part of that cult is part of that cult down in Tuscaloosa, you said, is probably rooting for Georgia just because Alabama has become the Yankees of college football.
And so you kind of want to see the underdog.
And I think Trump's going down there too, right?
Yeah, he'll be there.
Yeah.
He's a big college football fan?
He's a big Kendrick Lamar fan, actually.
Oh, yeah, that's right, because Kendrick is doing the halftime.
Isn't this like the first time they've had a halftime performance at a college football
thing?
It's crazy that he's not performing at the Super Bowl, but I think this is all in...
Well, it's Alabama versus Georgia, so they might be receptive to it down in Georgia.
Right.
That's my theory.
Well, Atlanta.
Yeah, right.
Yo, and their stadium is fucking insane that
mercedes yeah that i that like whatever the technological term is for that thing it is dope
and i totally failed at describing it but what is it it like sort of looks like the aperture of like
a camera like how it like the way a camera shutter opens it like spreads out and that's how they open
their yeah it's a retractable roof but yeah but the way it sort of like opens up is very poetic.
It's visual poetry.
Visual poetry.
And the way, guys, you can't see this, but the way Billy is doing it with his hands is
exactly what it does.
Yeah.
It is.
It is.
That's amazing.
And the NFL playoffs were this weekend.
Did you guys watch it?
I watched the Rams just because I was like, oh, cool, like an L.A. team.
And then I was like, nope.
And then I turned it off pretty quickly.
The games everybody said were going to be bad were good.
And the games that everybody said were going to be good were bad.
But I was, for some reason, bored enough to be watching the Titans game.
Titans, who are they playing?
Chiefs? Chiefs?
Chiefs, yeah.
Tennessee Titans versus the Kansas City Chiefs.
They're going to get destroyed.
They are going to get destroyed, but that was a great game.
Yeah, so next week the games probably get worse because you have teams like Tennessee going up against the Patriots.
But there was a quarterback, Marcus Mariota from Oregon,
is the quarterback for the Tennessee Titans,
and he was a lot of fun to watch in that game.
I saw a stat that he threw himself a pass.
Threw himself a pass.
A touchdown pass.
He threw a pass that got batted up, and he caught it
and ran it in for a touchdown.
It was pretty dope.
Yeah, because someone was just showing me on their phone,
they're like, yo, look at this stat.
And I was like, Mariota threw to himself for a touchdown?
That makes sense.
And once again, the Buffalo Bills coach brought in a white backup quarterback when it counted, and the guy threw an interception.
Now, granted, Tyrod Taylor did not have a good day, but on the final drive or maybe the last couple drives, I only saw the final drive, he brought in a backup quarterback.
This is the team where the Buffalo coach, after Tyra Taylor, had had an okay beginning to the season.
He benched him in favor of this young quarterback who more fit the profile of what an NFL pocket passer is supposed to be,
and he threw like seven interceptions in his first game.
It was like some sort of record.
So once again, at the end of the game, they're down by a touchdown,
and he brings in, I don't know, it couldn't have been the same backup quarterback
because I think that guy just quit football.
But the guy had a bad series.
Once again.
Hey, NFL sounds cool, though.
Yeah, it sounds fun and totally not problematic.
And I'm just there for the commercials.
There it is.
All right, that's going to do it for today, Billy Wayne.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you so much for coming on. We love having you on. Where can do it for today, Billy Wayne. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for coming on.
We love having you on.
Where can people follow you?
At Billy Wayne.
If you Google Billy Wayne Davis, all that stuff comes up.
Are you the only Billy Wayne Davis?
No, there's a dude in Australia, and then there's a dude in Arkansas.
They're pretty cool, just normal dudes.
And then there's, of course, there's some inspirational church person named Billy Wayne.
Oh.
Do people ever confuse you with him?
Oh, no.
Okay, good.
Yeah, right.
When they do, they realize their lives are ruined.
Oh, this isn't the same guy.
Miles, where can people follow you?
You can follow me, I guess, on Twitter or Instagram.
Up to you.
At Miles of Gray.
You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.
You can follow us on Instagram at The Daily Zeitgeist.
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Just search the name of our show.
And we have a webpage, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.
Footnotes.
For each episode, which is just links off to all the articles we're using as sources so you guys can do additional reading, fact check us on stuff.
And real quick, we want to give a shout out to some of the people
who've been giving us some nice reviews on iTunes.
Please rate and review.
It really helps people find the show.
Let's give a shout out to moi moi or moi uh at lucre
um who gave us five stars nice uh we appreciate that um and said that i successfully changed
their opinion about uh ryan reynolds jack you'll get him one day. I think you're actually in his league, unlike you-know-who Blake Lively,
making reference to, you know, my fact that I think Ryan Reynolds can do better.
But, yeah, I'm just, I have a really high opinion of Ryan Reynolds.
It doesn't speak so much to my opinion of Blake Lively.
She's so pretty.
Yeah, she is really pretty.
But, I mean, have you seen him?
I understand what you're saying.
I get both points here.
Right.
I do.
And we also want to give a shout-out to Mark Griego, who gave us a, let's see, oh, five stars again.
Oh, what do you know?
Thanks.
Thanks, man.
A fan.
And he said he listens every day, and all the facts are backed up by footnotes.
Footnotes.
And he said P.S. Miles has the best AKAs.
So, I don't know why you had to be hurtful, Mark,
but, no.
Yo, you know, the Zeitgang,
they just come through sometimes.
And I was jealous of you
because you have a name that's more pliable,
more malleable for the AKAs.
Yeah, I can't go anywhere.
Yeah, whereas Miles and Gray,
I mean, shout out to people who are combining them.
Also, guys, when you hit me with them,
I've heard kilometers gray or any derivation thereof.
So, come on.
We've got to step up our game.
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All right.
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