The Daily Zeitgeist - Reopening Out The Frying Pan, Epstein and Lovebirds Rewatch 6.1.20

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

In episode 641, Jack and Miles are joined by Citizen Critic co-host Greg Conley to discuss Janelle Monae and Labyrinth, America re-opening, The Lovebirds, the new Netflix Jeffrey Epstein doc-series, a...nd more!FOOTNOTES: Who should play the Goblin King in the ‘Labyrinth’ sequel? L.A. County can reopen restaurants, barbershops, salons, Newsom says Florida Governor Outlines Next Steps In Theme Parks’ Reopening Path Universal Studios Orlando Also Has A Blunt Warning For People Choosing To Visit The Parks Before Netflix’s Epstein Docuseries Filthy Rich There Was A Bombshell Book 7 Shocking Revelations From Netflix’s New Jeffrey Epstein Documentary Bill Clinton and James Patterson’s ‘The President Is Missing’ is an awkward duet James Patterson looked for Clinton, Trump links to sex offender. What did he find? Bill Clinton and James Patterson Are Writing a Second Book Together black people riot when their anger over being murdered and oppressed reaches a boiling point. here are some fun reasons why white people have rioted WATCH: Juls & Sango - Ritmo Coco (Visual) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:01 Somebody poured me an image on Twitter. Appreciate it. Appreciate y'all. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles. When the truth is found to be miles and gravel. And then you smile. Don't you want somebody to get high with? Don't you need someone to get high with? Wouldn't you love someone to get high with?
Starting point is 00:03:35 You better find someone to get high with. Miles. Okay, so thank you to Hannah Soltis for that wonderful Somebody to Love, aka. Also Miles Gray, aka. Oh, please don't let me see Amy Klobuchar be the VP because then we're really testing the limits of what I can stomach. So, but yes, thank you to everybody
Starting point is 00:03:56 for the AKAs and wonderful messages. I'm glad everyone appreciated the episode last week and I just, you know, I hope we can keep this energy up because we have to forever, basically. We're going in our third seat by today's guest from Citizen Critic. He is the other Citizen Critic. He is Mr. Greg Conley.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Hey, thank you. What's happening? I am the other one. Welcome, welcome. I'm the outside voice. thank you. What's happening? I am the other one. Welcome, welcome. I'm the outside voice. Are you also in the Commonwealth? I am in the Commonwealth. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I am right in Boston. Actually, Arlington, right outside Boston. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, how's the weather in Massachusetts? It's, you know, like pea soup.
Starting point is 00:04:43 It's thick. You know, just that kind of angry kind of heat that we get around here uh i've never been to boston in the like i've only been there in the winter for whatever reason but that's when you gotta see it you gotta yeah i know right when you just can't go outside because the earth is mad at you anger levels are at an all-time high right accent anger is there a day i guess maybe patriots day is the one day when anger levels are not uh abnormally high in massachusetts well i mean patriots day it's later on in the day the anger really comes out it's just drunken rage at that point. You know, what's Patriot's day? Actual Patriot's day is a made up holiday that they celebrate in Massachusetts where like everybody gets off work.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Cause it's the marathon. It's the day of the Boston marathon. Everybody goes out. Everybody who's not running the Boston marathon goes out and gets day drunk. And usually there's a bunch of fistfights in the afternoon. The real good comes out of people. and usually there's a bunch of fistfights in the afternoon. The real good comes out of people.
Starting point is 00:05:50 At Patriot's Day is when you see what we're really made of. Boston, city of fistfights. I've never taken a punch once in my life. I've never given one either. I don't know anybody who's never either been in a fight or nearly had to de-escalate something when in boston and inebriated oh man or just fucking walking by yourself i meticulously avoided getting into uh fistfights and yet like in boston just like being out to dinner with somebody i was watching i was watching a sporting event on the bar tv and somebody was at the bar somehow managed to mistake that for me
Starting point is 00:06:26 looking at him and inviting him to fight me he came over and was like hey bro you you want to go you want to go outside yeah i noticed you looking at me and my buddies over there it was just oh wow um and i just i still meticulously avoid i I was like, I, I, I, what are you talking about, man? I mistakenly had, I mistakenly had Laker gear on. So kind of invited that one, you know, The, but the, the Boston anger and drunkness is an actual thing that is like it's a a thing that is a known quantity in the nba like ahead of a game they're like oh well it's a night game on a weekend so you're dealing with a
Starting point is 00:07:17 crowd that is yeah they're gonna be angry yeah i go to a lot of celtics games and it is it's jarring when you sort of look around and be like these are my fellow men men and women in life these these are the people that i've chosen to live around energy for the basketball game guys god damn it people are like clenching their teeth so hard they break. I did not hit record on my Zoom. Fuck. Oh, you didn't? Nope. So, Dan, should I just hit record now and we'll just get a change in audio quality right now?
Starting point is 00:07:59 Sure. I think keep that in. Keep this in so it's part of a bit. Now I'm recording. Love you guys. See? But we try and keep it transparent. This is what happens.
Starting point is 00:08:13 The fans love us. We'll have fun here. It's Monday. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays. Greg, you are... I'm going to kick somebody's ass for saying something like greg you're a scientist i am a scientist yeah what are you doing talking to us what's going on well uh i don't know actually no i started the podcast with scott um we met in college i used
Starting point is 00:08:40 to work in the music business as i was sort of getting my science training and was, you know, working in management and did a little bit of tour management. And we've just been friends the whole time, sort of, you know, helping out his band and then going out on tour with some other bands and finally realizing, you know, tour management is really, really hard. I just I. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's like the least fun gig on the whole thing a hundred percent like it's it's you know you watch like almost famous and you're like yeah no that's what i want to do that that's so much fun it's like yeah even that's not that fun right kind of show in the movie but
Starting point is 00:09:18 you know so after a while i was like all right i'm pretty much i'm done with this i'm gonna do i like science you know so i did science but scott and i are still friends and you know we're friends with our buddy jake brennan who does disgrace land and he was like you guys should do this podcast you know i think you should you should start something so we started kicking around ideas and came up with citizen critic nice what feel like what sort of specific discipline? What science specifically? So I am a protein chemist, a biochemist. So my entire career has been in antibody research. I started out doing building diagnostic antibody tests. And now I run a research group that where we do immune tolerance, so therapeutics for autoimmune disease and it's basically we're doing the inverse of what a vaccine does which is like ramp up your
Starting point is 00:10:11 immune system to fight you know something foreign we're ramping it up to protect against something self wow this is palavi ganalan she was finishing her phd uh in biochemistry and then at the last thing was like i like comedy so i'm going to do that and she was just saying like when she was on since the lockdown was saying like all of her colleagues were now completely shifted all of their research to coronavirus and she was like it feels weird
Starting point is 00:10:36 but she's like but I'm also able to help still as much as I can but just not in the official capacity of the program as I used to yeah it's interesting are you working on coronavirus stuff, Greg? We are not. My wife's company is actually working on it. And then we have a collaboration with the University of Chicago.
Starting point is 00:10:53 They're working on a vaccine. Nice. Yeah. Well, good. Great to have sciencers on. I'm glad we're taking you away from that. Again, I'm not doing that. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're gonna get to know you we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a
Starting point is 00:11:06 moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about uh this is one of those episodes where we're gonna acknowledge we're recording this uh days ago from when you're listening to this so i just have to acknowledge that up front because the world is on fire right now and things are changing pretty quickly. So we'll talk about last week we asked who should be Bowie 2.0 in Labyrinth. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about how the world is reopening and what that looks like specifically at some Florida theme parks. And then we're going to get into what we watched we watched that epstein documentary uh we watched lovebirds miles took miles chose correctly yeah oh yeah between that
Starting point is 00:11:56 binary wow for the sake of everyone's like mental health i think i picked the best one. I chose the guy who chose incorrectly in Raiders of the Lost Ark. No, not Raiders. Last Crusade, which is a problematic title, maybe. But who just withers away and the knight is
Starting point is 00:12:21 like, you chose incorrectly. That's how I felt watching that. That knight was a little smug, I felt. Yeah, total asshole. That's like, clearly. But I guess you get smug just like experiencing time pass in a cave for all eternity. That's fair. Greg, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Starting point is 00:12:45 I don't know what it reveals exactly, but my search history at this point is almost entirely about Animal Crossing New Horizons. So the last thing I Google searched was, is there an app that accurately predicts turnip prices, which is the saddest fucking thing. Yet another important thing we're taking you away from right is animal crossing i've seen it about turnip futures it is honestly it's like maybe i should
Starting point is 00:13:15 invest in like the stock market i mean i what i just know turnips are constantly talked about and then elijah wood because someone was saying they had the low low for the turnips or whatever and the what is the turnip economy essentially for the ignorant for the animal crossing ignorant uh that is so like volatile that you're like i wish i could count myself in that so they show up and it's weird in these covid times this this little this person shows i don't know she's not a person i don't know, she's not a person, I don't know what she is, she's a little character, and she constantly has a runny nose. Every Sunday, and she's only there until noon, and she has turnips on her back. Daisy
Starting point is 00:13:51 May is her name. It's not important. Of course. No, we're writing this all down. Oh yeah. And you can buy all these things. You have until 12 on Sunday, and then over the course of the week, they get priced twice a day in your little nook shop on the islands.
Starting point is 00:14:09 So you have these two little guys that like price turnips. But how does the pricing work? Like, is that based on a supply? Totally arbitrary. Oh, that's infuriating. Right,
Starting point is 00:14:19 right, right. Oh, okay. I got it. So you're like, well, there's no rhyme or reason to this.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I paid 97 bells for a bunch of turnips and now they're worth 40. So you're like, there's no rhyme or reason to this. I'm like, I paid fucking 97 bells for a bunch of turnips and now they're worth 40? Yeah, I mean, I don't know why I think a game would allow the players to completely upend the in-game economy like that. But that would be an interesting experiment. It's just the perfect Nintendo game. It's like, turn your brain off,
Starting point is 00:14:39 you walk around, you have a net, you catch butterflies, you catch fish, you do gardening like all the stuff i should be doing at my own house but you know i do it virtually i hear tell of tom nook who who who's that he's the godfather tom nook he's he's the one that started it all like he makes you kill people for him and stuff i would if i could get those journal prices up i'll tell you that much wow no um seems aggressive uh what is uh what is something you think is underrated i think underrated is not having a take human beings can you cannot have a take in this world
Starting point is 00:15:20 and i feel like that's a very underrated thing when somebody just stays silent on something like mundane i don't think you have to have a take on everything yeah bigger issues uh don't be silent but yeah if it's like well what do you think about tom nook like honestly yeah i don't know give it yeah like the bigger issues silence is a take yeah absolutely but whether your friend's french fries are properly salted when you took one i you know i don't it's fine that's your taste i don't need to hear about it yeah i think that's kind of like part of the i don't know just opinions have been so commodified like in the social media age that like now it's like this expectation like yeah but what's your like i need to know what you think about this it's like i don't know i haven't even thought about it enough to care because even that topic is not of any consequence to me so i do all these bad all this research for like citizen critic and you're on yelp
Starting point is 00:16:14 and it's some there's a subset of people that feel like they're obligated like it's a government mandate that they have to review everything right and it's yeah it's like a grand canyon someone's reviewing the grand canyon it's like well i didn't want to have to do this well don't i don't care we're fucking hole in the ground and i don't care what you think about my favorite uh genre of literature is uh amazon reviews of like. It's really, truly amazing. There's a faux intelligent voice that people kind of adopt. I first found out about it and how did this get made, but it's really worth just reading up on people's reviews
Starting point is 00:17:01 of The Godfather. Wait, is this like if you're watching on Prime, there's a way to look at reviews? Or is this like if you if you're watching like on prime like there's a way to look at reviews or this is like if you're no no just like you have to like seek it out like yeah yeah it's dvds oh oh so like if you're going to like the godfather box set collection scroll down to the reviews and then people have a take on the content not even find the one star reviews oh i. Yeah, it's amazing. What's something you think is overrated? I've got to say, I've always thought this.
Starting point is 00:17:30 I think bacon is vastly overrated. As a standalone item, it's fine. I don't need it in every last fucking thing. Yeah. This is a common theme we hear a lot. Is it? Well, you know, I think're the last 10 years have been or maybe 15 years have been so bacon centric yeah uh and like to the point where it was like funny and
Starting point is 00:17:54 we were all like oh my god yeah bacon gum sure fucking why not uh still happening yeah but i think now it's like that it feels like a bygone era. But shit, I still love bacon. But yeah, not to the point. I used to, though. But I used to be like that kind of annoying bacon person. We were like, dude, Slater's 50-50. It's 50% beef, 50% pork belly. The burgers are all bacon, and the bread is bacon.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And then the cheese is bacon. It's like, OK, yeah, thank you. We've had to do a lot of work on this guy. I'm not going to lie to you, Greg. He used to be Mr. Bacon. All his t-shirts were bacon related. Clothes. I had a really terrible bacon wig I would wear.
Starting point is 00:18:33 I'm not wearing it today. It was a whole thing. Bacon. I actually like bacon. That was like a... I had a bolognese that that i used to make before when i had a free time when you're in the old countries yeah when i was in the old country there'd just be some uh accordion music drifting in through the open window i can hear it now oh i can hear it now
Starting point is 00:19:03 really painted picture it's vivid yeah i was uh i was the world's slowest cook so i mean it took me like four hours to make it because i just like cut like one slice of the vegetables then go do something else but uh yeah must be infuriating to watch very very inefficient it's incredibly and uh my wife is very fast, efficient. She's a good cook, but I just take forever anyways. But the secret to the bolognese was crumbled bacon. Just get that in there early, and it really spreads the flavor around. You should get it unsmoked.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Yeah, yeah. I mean, because in you know you would have to actually use a pancetta uh so that's what the that's actually what the recipe calls for and the fact that i use bacon is like i've done the same i've done the same but i realize it's because when it's smoked it imparts that smoky flavor that pancetta doesn't have so if you get unsmoked bacon that helps at least with the you know pork fat issue but you got to use a nice sofrito too oh you gotta have your carrots and you're gonna have to have your little celery you know yeah yeah no that's the that's the other big ingredient is celery and carrots yeah um that's the truth what is greg what
Starting point is 00:20:24 is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false i don't know how many people think it's true but i grew up thinking it was true uh that you can actually a spider can actually lay eggs in your skin and they'll hatch and underneath your skin yeah underneath your skin yeah and i know that this is not true because i was on vacation years ago and i woke up and there was a giant spider on my stomach doing something that looked exactly like it would be laying eggs in my stomach and i startled it it was it was a big spider and i freaked out and i swatted at it and it like bit me you know did the thing on my stomach uh and i left the place i was staying at was like i can't go back
Starting point is 00:21:05 in that room that spider was enormous but you know no spider rabies came out of my stomach you said it was on your stomach like you awoke to it just like crawling on your belly like yeah just staring up at you it was just neo's getting that weird like probe put in his yeah that's what i was picturing too that's exactly i was like oh there was at least a 15 second pause of eye contact right where it realized i was awake and i realized it was on me and this is another one of those just intense uh just intense slam ins intercut with each other damn damn he's getting closer and closer but you know just like the you know like the richard gear gerbil story or the had to get
Starting point is 00:21:54 their stomach pumped because they gave so many blowjobs myth like the spider eggs under your skin is also like a thing that proliferates like at a in a in a middle school yard or a summer camp bunk where and it's all but the thing the funny thing is it always takes one kid to say they know the person oh absolutely happened to for the whole thing to be like because i remember really someone's like yeah my cousin like it was under her scab and it was like eggs under there and they came out like oh fuck and then you'll always be like yeah yeah, my friend's cousin, my friend's cousin, my friend's cousin. Yeah. We don't do any fact checking when we're 11.
Starting point is 00:22:30 I mean, generally when you're 11, that stops. But to think now, though, too, we didn't have fucking Wikipedia, right? Where I'm sure another 11 year old could be like, no. And then you're like, then Google it. And then you're like, yeah, you fucking idiot. Go back to your shame spot. That is the question that like, do we, like that's one that I think,
Starting point is 00:22:47 like I just Googled do animal, because I don't believe you, Greg. I think scientists are full of shit. No, because my friend's cousin actually did get a pussy. Yeah, so it did happen to her. But I did Google it and it says, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:00 this is just a myth. Don't worry about it. It's not, that lump is not spider eggs it is it's all ingrown hair internet tells you everything is is cancer it's probably cancer oh god that's what i do wonder yeah but i do wonder like is this going to be a generation that's completely devoid of uh those like that's one that's easy to debunk but like that i i still think we're gonna have the people having to get enormous amounts of uh
Starting point is 00:23:32 gerbils pumped out of their stomach oh it takes on a life of its own i mean i think but kids also these things happen because kids like to feel like they know everything so sometimes like you don't actually have to know the fact you just have to appear to be the person to know the fact so yeah in that sense like and then i'm sure as they get older they'll actually respect fact more than the fiction part and want to just flex on people with their nerd brain but like yeah i think kids are gonna still i mean look they smoke jewels and don't give a fuck. I think our current president actually debunks all of this conversation about as we get older, people fact check shit.
Starting point is 00:24:11 If he said tomorrow his cousin had spiders coming out of her armpit, you know, 30% of the country would be like, dude. And that's why I only use Old Spice. Kills spider eggs dead. I only use Old Spice. Kills spider eggs dead. Greg, one thing that I wanted to ask you guys as Citizen Critic is, is there a movie or some work of culture that we think of as being well-reviewed at the time or well-respected that you guys have looked back at and realized was not
Starting point is 00:24:47 or like had a bunch of negative feedback oh wait that at the time we thought it was like it became a classic despite the negative feedback yeah yeah that we don't realize was negative like i remember reading uh roger ebert's review of ghostbusters i think it was and he just shit all over it and said it was the dumbest movie of all time and The Shining I recently read was really poorly reviewed at the time have you guys come across anything like that?
Starting point is 00:25:16 we did a Shining review and there were a lot of actually there weren't that many bad there were some pretty bad ones of The Shining but I think overwhelmingly The Shining got good reviews we haven't really come across one that was surprisingly negatively reviewed it's usually tough to you know like or is it usually the inverse like it starts off with fantastic reviews and then you're like what the yeah like also you watch it years later it's like the usual suspects and i watch that and it's it's just to me it's an unwatchable movie of like what good lord it's got everything like a 13 year old needs
Starting point is 00:25:52 though like that's why i'm hooked on usuals because i go back to 13 year old miles and i'm just saying all the lines i'm like shut the fuck up like doing all that shit or like latimer kaiser suzy like that's all that's all I like about him but at the time I think I watched it and I was just like this is cinema this is maybe the greatest movie of all time I'm like bro, Verbal
Starting point is 00:26:16 look at that, he's walked it off wait, you just thought that what was happening in that scene was he was walking off his Charlie horse and he was just walking it off? And then your friend goes, nah, dude, he's Kaiser Soze. And I'm like, oh, shit. That's even tighter, dude. Oh, my God, dude.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Fucking usual. Oh, fuck. That's so tight. Yeah, I'm fucking, you know, you're an idiot, you know? Kaiser, suzy. Rise from that wheelchair. I meant this. All right.
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Starting point is 00:27:54 Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists.
Starting point is 00:28:15 But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. I mean, my reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest,
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Starting point is 00:31:03 Yeah, mass murder. And then Twitter was like, and we've yet to see what Trump's clapback is going to be to Twitter saying like, I mean, the least they could do is just be like, oh, this is a violation of the terms of service, just so you know. But we're going to leave it there
Starting point is 00:31:18 because we want people to be able to talk about it. But, you know, maybe we'll leave the count up. I don't know. But everything is changing so quickly man like yeah so if you want up to date if you want our up-to-date reactions uh may i suggest our afternoon uh podcast where we just check in with what is happening in the moment and put it right up it is called some play on trend trend or zeitgeist really great sell there it's got a bad it's got a bad pun in the name uh so check out here with my pen in my hand right and then it's like a
Starting point is 00:31:56 meandering i don't know it's like this and you're like writing down i don't know it's like a pun this is a long title um yeah but i don't know man it's fucking i'm i've i am look we're recording this friday i am exhausted i have not slept i am distraught i am having terrible conversation highly emotionally charged conversations with my family uh on my black side of just kind of checking in with each other and looking at it from multiple generations of being African-American in this country and the cycle of violence that continues. And we're like, it's all, all of our lifetimes have been the same. And then just being so disheartened by that. And yeah, you know, what's that lennon quote some decades nothing happens and then some weeks decades happen like this is this feels like that i mean i can't i can't even keep track
Starting point is 00:32:53 of everything and to the point where we literally stopped talking about covid 19 we somehow yeah like that's really how all over the place uh the last you know 14 days have been uh so yeah i'm the next next show i'm sure so much more will have happened because it seems like every 10 minutes your phone goes off with some kind of alert yeah so what one thing we we do want to acknowledge that janelle monae is the correct at least I want to acknowledge Janelle Monae is the correct Bowie 2.0 for Labyrinth the Labyrinth reboot just in terms of as an artist and also she's a really great actor which Bowie was a surprisingly good actor so I don't know if you saw if you listened to the episode when Scott was on but we were talking about the labyrinth reboot and you know like who like who is appropriate a lot of i've a lot of people said harry styles
Starting point is 00:33:51 some people said imogen heap uh janelle monae i think had i think the probably one of the more compelling arguments uh but yeah i think it's just uh i'm it'll be interesting to see what ends up happening with that role or if there is even a part for that to try and even say like this is who yeah i mean that's so hard to you know yeah and not that to to get the part in labyrinth means you're the new david bowie but although i'm sure there will be takes like that on the internet be like exactly you see uh donald glover is the new david bow internet. Exactly. You see, Donald Glover is the new David Bowie. Yeah, the day we say that Harris Stiles is the new David Bowie. Yeah, I think that's probably my least favorite suggestion.
Starting point is 00:34:36 I think the thing that he has is that he's got a little bit of androgyny to him, and he's English, and that's about it i'm not like i'm not getting big bowie energy though i'm not getting that yeah i'm not either no no uh i don't think harry styles is ever going to forget uh three entire years of his career uh like bowie did i think that's pure pure bowie uh yeah and he and he's gotta like marry the equivalent of iman like that's yeah who yeah if that was the other part like is there an equivalent i don't even know i don't even know who could be it's like uh that's why david i think is a unique unique quantity there yeah but let's talk about the world reopening. There are a super producer,
Starting point is 00:35:25 Sophie Lichterman just forwarded us a LA times article about how governor Newsome says that LA is going to be able to open some restaurants and barbershops. Uh, my kids need a haircut bad, man. They are like, I'm having to put their hair in little buns every morning.
Starting point is 00:35:43 Cause it can't, uh because they can't see. That's where we're at. Yeah, there's just a lot of questions around reopening. You know, it does seem like the numbers are kind of leveling out in a lot of places. LA, I don't know. Specifically LA. LA was a hot spot like a few days ago. And if you look at the graph of our daily change,
Starting point is 00:36:07 it's not going down. I mean, there's a huge spike on the 21st, but then it dropped and then it continued to go up. I'm not... The county had to ask for special permission from the state to do this. Right, because they didn't fit all the criteria, right? Yeah, so why the fuck would I go out? Like, what the fuck? from the state to do this because right because they didn't fit all the criteria right yeah so
Starting point is 00:36:25 why the fuck would i go out like what the fuck yeah and again i understand that there is like you know the need for business owners to begin to do business again but the onus shouldn't be on the business owner to figure out how to do that by opening their business. I think the government needs to figure out how to keep everybody safe and then address that financial impact next rather than, because everything, the priorities have been completely reversed. It's like, well, figure out the financial problem
Starting point is 00:36:55 and then the safety problem we'll just deal with, but the money first. I mean, the whole point is you need to, like, it's a virus. So you need to figure out who has it and then how can you say like it's the things that we know about the virus it's like you need to wear a mask because it's in droplets and it's so if you're going to start doing these things where you're going to start
Starting point is 00:37:15 reopening you know people need to figure out like yeah you can go to a restaurant but you should wear a mask unless you're sitting you know you're not sitting outside and you're sitting 10 feet away from people like yeah just sort of understand how these things travel and how these things infect people like you know the plans that you even see for restaurants you know like that the like restaurants in la have to abide by this code or whatever to be you know in compliance and it's like it's just like separating tables by six feet putting some physical barriers if you know distancing isn't possible like those don't still really feel like robust safety measures and i'm and they could be and i'm sure they are absolutely i know they're
Starting point is 00:38:00 better than going back to absolute pre-COVID times of our way of business. But to know that we're not close to real good therapeutic treatments for this and these other things, it's like, well, that's the thing. That's the thing I think most people want to be like, that's fine because if I catch it, I know there's medicine for it. And it's not going to escalate to the point where I have to worry about losing my life. So, I mean, some businesses are facing this more. I mean, so we have the NBA, which I think was voting over the weekend or at the start of this week of whether they should have the playoffs in Disney World starting in mid-July. The owners and players uh i think the players are are on board but that's i don't think they've had the official vote um but disney world itself
Starting point is 00:38:54 and other theme parks are talking about reopening and it just seems like i can't imagine going to a theme park right now like just the the vibe of like crowds well we talked uh last week because when disney finally put a date on it like first you're like we're gonna open like that they're basically saying capacity is going to be reduced there's no fireworks parades or character meetings like anything that's going to encourage that more contactless payment options if they want it uh but and masks and temperature checks but i i don't know yeah like it's what are you gonna do like a bunch of kids you're gonna get a bunch of kids to keep their masks on like it's a weird it's a lot to ask people like especially excited children at fucking disney world we're the most exciting place for a kid
Starting point is 00:39:45 disney world right well put your mask on you have to social distance from goofy yeah yeah it's like no way he's gonna no honey get the fuck away from mickey oh my god what mom what nothing i just love you so much that's disney like think about places that aren't like lego land is planning on june 1st sea world is opening in june those are places that i don't know i don't know that they're gonna be like everything is gonna be perfectly sterilized at all those places let alone like did like that mickey mouse like smells like sweat that's what that dude smells like when you go up next to him, like all mascots do. So it's,
Starting point is 00:40:29 I think the fact, the fact that we have these conversations where they say they're opening and are like, there's, there's plenty of people who are like, fuck yeah, I can't wait to go. I saw those posts from,
Starting point is 00:40:40 you know, angry white women who are like, I need to get back to the magical kingdom. Like I just have to get there. Uh, and I get get those are people who are absolutely don't care but there's clearly i mean we've seen the polling most people majority people are like yeah yeah and business owners should be looking at that and being like that's that's not a customer someone who goes well yeah it's just the financial reality like you're clearly seeing them do things that don't fully make sense because of the financial reality they find themselves in uh the universal
Starting point is 00:41:16 is opening uh with a fun uh sternly written warning about the dangers of infection while visiting and downing your butterbeer, they will have this that you have to acknowledge. Any interaction with the general public poses an elevated risk of being exposed to COVID-19. We cannot guarantee that you will not be exposed during your visit. Welcome, guys. All right. So who wants to meet the sorting hat at least somebody is uh having fun with it gatorland down in florida uh has decided to create a new mascot uh who is the social distancing skunk ape uh and it's just a dude in a in a gorilla costume like an amazon prime gorilla wow that is that is phenomenal you can always count on alligator parks to really be on the front lines of yeah safety yeah as well as fashion choices there which makes me think like right we saw what tiger
Starting point is 00:42:19 ain't like saying quote-unquote sanctuaries were like what the fuck is going on on gator farms? It's not fun for them. Please I know there's Everglade there's Glade Zite Gang out there Florida Zite Gang what is it is it just pretty like do you think there's some interesting shit going on or is this like nah it's
Starting point is 00:42:39 they just got a bunch of gators that's it I don't know I want to know. One of the most memorable reality shows I've ever seen was, I think, Gator Hunter or something. But it was just a guy and his sons riding around on fan boats with shotguns shooting. You mean swamp people? Is that the name of the show? And they were like Cajuns in Louisiana. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:06 And they were like, yeah, we got to go down there in the buskio to get the alligator. And you're like, the buskio? I remember that was like one of my, I watched that show because I was like, I was telling everybody, I'm like, because I love accents and regional vocab. I'm like, this is, I've never seen unfiltered swamp culture, like Cajun, like this before. And they're like, yeah, down to Busquio. So, yeah. And it was very weird how they hung rotten
Starting point is 00:43:34 meat and then would just plug it right in the head with a rifle and then like, all right, load it up on the boat. Anyways, check out Gatorland social distancing skunk ape uh that that's something yeah skunk ape is a thing that i didn't realize that uh down in the buskio a lot of people think that uh think that bigfoot is actually a stinky animal he's called skunk ape oh boy there's there's so much i don't know about the the what is it
Starting point is 00:44:06 buschio what's the buschio the buschio man hey if i end up in the buschio i have made some some horrible wrong turns in my life i did not intend to go there yeah i was sorry i was looking for a coles i'm in the buschio and yet some of the like one of the most beautiful places i've ever been is like rural louisiana it's very very strange it's so picturesque like that man anyway uh gator gang gators i gang let us know what's what are these yeah let us know what's going on down there uh all right let's get into our weekly watches. Miles, should we start with you? Should we start with Lovebirds?
Starting point is 00:44:50 Yes. I did not know. The way they marketed this, it looked like it was a straight-up love story. Not like a rom-com, but I don't know. The way I was seeing it on twitter like when i first saw it and then i saw the trailer and that shit looks very funny i didn't look very good i knew nothing except for i knew this film like was supposed to be a theatrical release and then i think netflix like there was some kind of uh lockdown deal basically to be like let's get this out here
Starting point is 00:45:21 we'll pay for like everybody wins so and i just knew i'm like great uh they're two hilarious people like this is gonna be fantastic and i had no idea even as i watched it what was going on i just knew it was a rom-com so cut to it starts off as a rom-com where it's like very amazing like it's just portraying like the their first like the morning after their first date or whatever and like it's like one of those things where like they're nailing how like in a relationship you kind of start like that momentum starts building we're like i don't know if you like you figure out you like all the same shit and like it's all working out whether it is or you're just desperate to have it work out but like that energy and then it's like a hard cut to four years later. They're fucking fighting like crazy.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's great writing. And I don't even want to, like, there's so many jokes I want to even describe. But I'm just going to let people enjoy because it's full of really great moments. But essentially, it's about this couple who, like, on their way to a dinner party, they're breaking up. They realize, like, during this fight they're having that they need to break up like it's they we've come it's this has run its course we're just spinning the bowl at this point nothing's working let's just call it what it is
Starting point is 00:46:34 and just say we took the l but we did it honorably and then as they like sort of deal with that moment that their relationship ends they suddenly hit a like a bicycle like a cyclist and they're like oh my god yeah we've all been there and then like the cyclist though is very is fine but is desperate to leave and takes off on their bike and they're like so confused because they thought they needed help a man ends up commenting during their vehicle and murders the cyclist and they're like we thought you were a cop and then begins because he says i'm a cop yeah like let me in yeah yeah and he's on the trailer uh and then from there like it's just like this couple who just broke up like trying to figure out like all right like we kind of just broke up but like we can't really go to the police right now and we have some like some materials
Starting point is 00:47:22 that could potentially help exonerate us so do we just kind of stay together and try and solve this mystery and figure out what's going on um but i think what's really really fantastic uh what i was saying before we started recording is that like the writing is great in the sense that it helps sort of encapsulate like what millennial fights are like or like older millennia like people in their 30s couples fights are that like are really well articulated like just battles over absolute bullshit nothing um but like the fuck they're like they are going to church with some of these points and you're're like, yeah, you're right. Like you guys wouldn't win the amazing race. There's a moment where they,
Starting point is 00:48:08 uh, where she tests the door and is locked. And then he like tests the door and she's like, I'm sorry. Did you think it was one of those men only? And that just like resonated so much with me. I've done dumb shit like that. Just kind of absently like just
Starting point is 00:48:25 you know not thinking about it but just like you know i want to see how locked it is but yeah so it has that we're like and you know isa ray is a just phenomenal comedian performer and so is kumail so like i don't that's why i'm really curious i want to almost read what the script was so i can either fully take my wig off to the the writer and say wow like you read you wrote all these fucking lines like they're so good or i'm like either way the plot is fantastic but i'm also curious to know how much they improvised too, because some of it is just so like, it was one of those things that really was very pleasant. It was a film I needed to desperately see.
Starting point is 00:49:13 I was like, great. Uh, an interracial couple, uh, that is not like one white person and a person of color, like two people of color in a relationship. Like, this is great. The jokes are great. Yeah. So like I said, everything's like a movie, movie uh an airplane movie at the moment because of lockdown but like god damn this is like one of those airplane movies where you go yo i just watched the funniest thing on
Starting point is 00:49:34 the flight uh so i don't know again because like people's i don't know like on i don't know what the how the imdb reviews work they're probably trash anyway but like it didn't get it got a six and i'm like this is it's at a six on imdb that's absurd comedies and horror movies are generally like when you when you look at their uh audience scores they're usually pretty yeah like hit and miss right i feel like people have very defined ideas on you's funny. Yeah. Yeah. And I can only imagine a two-person-of-color rom-com would be- The racism that's encountered. Right. Yeah. Or the racism people don't realize they have in them, because it's a thing they are not
Starting point is 00:50:19 used to seeing that has been force-fed through the studios, that they go, I don't know. It's like something was like, yeah, it was okay. I just didn't believe that'd be in a relationship right it's right but there's so many like self-aware jokes like that where they're like we're two people who may be implicated in murder and we're people of color so like fuck no we're not going to the police like you know like there are moments like that that really play to just sort of i don't know it's again i can't say very enjoyable yeah uh all right let's take a quick break and uh we will do a tonal downshift hey i'm br Bruce Bozzi.
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Starting point is 00:54:56 It seems like they were making this before his suicide slash murder. Because some of the interviews are even people being, like, you know, talking about how even now I'm worried that he's going to, like, come find me and stuff like that. I will say that this doesn't have a lot of new information. If you've read, like, all the stories, you know, there was that Miami Herald series
Starting point is 00:55:21 that really kind of laid out how his Florida operation was working and like how he had like sort of a pedophile Ponzi scheme going and so like a lot of it the first episode at least is like devoted to laying out like how that operation worked and then interviewing these women whose lives were completely destroyed by by that experience of you know being victimized by him but also like being implicated in the recruiting of like their friends because that got them just as much money and a lot of these people were from you know difficult backgrounds so i mean even though there's not new information it's like to see it like that yeah to see it is like basically new information to actually like
Starting point is 00:56:18 see the people who it happened to and whose lives were ruined. You, Jelaine Maxwell, or I don't know. How is it pronounced? Jelaine. Jelaine. Jelaine. Jelaine. Jelaine. Jelaine does not come off well.
Starting point is 00:56:38 So I know you guys were wondering, a lot of people were wondering heading in, how's she going to come off? Is she a cool person she likes it i know yeah so she's not she's not good uh she she's really really a bad bad person like to the point where you're like why isn't she in jail right now what is going on what is what's happening how is this person each episode ends ends with a end plate being like, Jelaine Maxwell denies all allegations against her. Because I guess they tried to reach out to her for comment,
Starting point is 00:57:12 and they got none. Who they did get, though, Dersh. The Dersh is front and center, just looking like somebody who's being eaten alive by his own, just like all the evil things that are happening inside his body. But like his own, like moral, like whatever he's done to morally justify,
Starting point is 00:57:35 uh, to himself, like he is, there's just enough momentum. So he's like, I don't know, man, he looks like a cadaver,
Starting point is 00:57:43 but he's also like just so mask off about everything uh at one point he's like i i dare you to try and get virginia jufri to claim that i had sex with her and then they just cut her and she's like yeah he like sexually assaulted me when i was a child. They were accepted, sir. Yeah. What if? Yeah. It's real bad. The big things, the takeaways, other than just these truly haunted, haunting victims,
Starting point is 00:58:18 the way watching the Florida state case against Epstein fall apart. And it's like they have him dead to rights. They're talking to the state attorney. He's like, yeah, this guy's never going to see the light of day again. And then something happens behind the scene. And suddenly nobody's returning their calls. One of the FBI agents is openly weeping because she feels like she's letting down these victims. Somebody who I think is like sort of a paralegal in the office of the Florida state attorney is like she doesn't realize how deep this goes or like how momentous the corruption is so she's just like talking about she's like man i wish i could tell you more but uh yeah it's just not really it's really not looking good like and
Starting point is 00:59:11 just it's wild and the fact that kenneth star is on his defense team the thing you're left with is it's amazing that any of these lawyers are able to show their face in polite society ever again. It's wild that they're not all banished. Completely shunned as just not allowed to go anywhere outside. It's just ridiculous. Not a ringing endorsement for late capitalism i would say uh just like the the corruption is so just out in the open there's there's one part where there's this like big wall street billionaire guy who's like talking about how he and jeffrey epstein like built this
Starting point is 01:00:00 empire together uh and he talks about how like one of the big banks introduces him to Jeffrey. And I was told that Epstein was really energetic, really smart, but his moral compass is upside down. And he was like, and that appealed to us very much because we were running a ponzi scheme yeah so like literally he's they're running a ponzi scheme it's so weird though that there are people with the self-awareness to be like yeah what we need are people with inverted moral compasses like and right yeah and there that person is and then that one's a great great that's just unapologetic
Starting point is 01:00:42 oh it's like oh we love your work we love your work. We love your work. Yeah, you fucking sociopath. So how many episodes is this? It's four episodes I powered through. I was wondering. You watched all of them? Yeah, I watched all of them. Oh, damn.
Starting point is 01:00:57 I was wondering why the documentary kind of gives Clinton, like they keep emphasizing so Prince Andrew also not a good guy I know that was also like written in a lot of people's the questions they were asking me is that guy seems cool right so it turns out no
Starting point is 01:01:17 not a good guy and in fact a pedophile at no point in his life has Prince Andrew ever seemed cool though but he just is dead to rights. There's this guy who's a groundskeeper on Little St. Jeff, the pedophile island. And he talks about seeing Prince Andrew grinding up against somebody in the pool. against somebody like in the pool and then it turns out it's virginia jufri uh who is the person who claimed that like he uh sexually assaulted her when she was a child and he like did that bbc interview where he's like i don't recognize her at all even though there's a picture of them
Starting point is 01:02:00 like together but clinton kind of there's like sort of a they have people saying well i never saw clinton do anything untoward uh they literally have people say that they're like we saw him on the pedophile island uh sitting with jeffrey epstein we saw he flew on the pedophile plane uh the lolita express 26 times but we never saw him do anything bad. And that struck me as weird. So our writer, JM, points out that this was made by James Patterson, the crime fiction novelist, the paperback dime store novelist. And that dude has like co-written a couple of books with Bill Clinton where he's like, that's right.
Starting point is 01:02:50 We talked about that book. Yeah. So, um, yeah. So he wrote a couple of years ago, a book with Bill Clinton called the president is missing all about a president.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Who's a single president. His wife died and on her deathbed was like, you get out there and you fuck all the women president. And he's like, I, I, um, salute,
Starting point is 01:03:17 salute sir. And go, just call, Hey, just call me the commander in chief. Yeah. Uh, so the uh so that they're also writing a new book a new novel
Starting point is 01:03:33 together uh called the president's daughter in which chelsea is uh kidnapped and uh he the president has to uh fuck his way out of it i guess i don't know but with bill clinton as the uh liam neeson character right exactly bill clinton's dick yeah yeah oh man what if i mean that's such a egregious the conflict of interest to bring into a documentary like this you're like bruh don't worry the one guy like one of the main people everyone has a lot of questions about who is tied to jeffrey epstein is somehow i've been like nah dude that guy that guy though who could still maybe be held to account for anything uh yeah he's i didn't see anything untoward yes yeah right yeah uh-huh what's described as pedophile island right meanwhile his account yeah his account is that he never uh
Starting point is 01:04:33 went to pedophile island he never went to the uh new mexico ranch and meanwhile like everybody who worked there is like yeah i saw clinton there all the time. He was always there. That's the thing. I don't know. I mean, this could be a terrible metaphor, but it's like if you were always on Snoop Dogg's tour bus, people would be like, ah, that dude is probably high. Or like, yeah, it's high. He's on that bus all the time. This is what I do know.
Starting point is 01:05:00 I know Snoop smokes so much weed on that bus it's hot box to shit so if you're on there there's a good chance even if you didn't hit the blunt you might have you might be high off of the secondhand smoke and like on like the same thing like when they talk about that that jet you're like really everyone right you hear what was going on in that jet and like but he was in like the the choir boys section like where he's like back turned and like noise canceling headphones on like i don't know like it's just such a weird it one of the one of the women who is like a long-term victim like across multiple years uh talks about the trip to africa with Spacey, Clinton, Chris Tucker.
Starting point is 01:05:48 And she says that everything was kind of on the up and up on that trip. She was like, that trip was one of the highlights of my life. But then I think there's some Stockholm stuff going on where she thinks that this is going to be the end of the sexual abuse because she's not being sexually abused on that trip but then she's like and then we got back and started right back up again so um that is a trip that i know a lot of people have had questions about and uh they say like chris tucker was a a nice guy but he's. But he's on those flight logs, though, isn't he? Chris Tucker.
Starting point is 01:06:28 Yeah, no. I mean, they took a flight to Africa. I wonder if, like, yeah. And they have, like, Kevin Spacey's on the flight, and he's, like, wearing a baseball cap. It's, like, really weird. It's, like,vin spacey playing the character of a millennial or something oh god baseball cap with a little propeller on top
Starting point is 01:06:53 and a big lollipop yeah he does have a big lollipop and a bonnet i think that's appropriate garb for yeah so your toupee is a away. A big diaper and he's roller skating around. I wonder if Chris Tucker was just like, hey, no nonsense. I'm going to take this Africa trip seriously as a black man. No bullshit around. But this was for an AIDS awareness thing. It wasn't some random trip.
Starting point is 01:07:24 So it was like a thing where they, I mean, I think, yeah, that would, I, to me, that would make more sense that like,
Starting point is 01:07:29 they wouldn't go there and everyone be like, Oh yeah. On that trip versus like these shady flights that everyone can be like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. So how much contact did Chris Tucker actually have before that with like knowing who Jeffrey Epstein was, you know?
Starting point is 01:07:43 Yeah. That's why I just want to hear from these people like bill gates even i'm like what exactly were you like dude and although he got weirded out right wasn't wasn't he one of the people who eventually was just like i don't know that guy fucking freaked me the fuck out but then there are those people who legitimately are like i had to meet him once and i wanted nothing to do well i think that's the thing for me in watching the first episode was like they started this vanity fair story and it was the the story it was just based on like it was a society piece like who's this fabulously wealthy financial guy you know
Starting point is 01:08:16 and like within the first or second interview the story started coming up with it's like it's a pedophile punt like as if ponzi schemes couldn't be made worse let's chuck pedophile right as well right that's like the only modifier you could throw on like that's the highest with very little work this is what started to come out immediately so it's like how everybody knew what this guy was doing like it's just sort of like well then i think yeah that's why i think that's why so many people are so interested in this too is because like it's just you know endemic and i don't know it just seems like one of these symptoms that we have of this like wealthy uh powerful class of people
Starting point is 01:08:58 and how this is just like how they rock and like so many people i think we're so interested on the like even conservatives because they've for them, they're like, Bill Clinton might have something to do with it. And even people on the left were like, yeah, sure, fuck that. Yeah, fucking everybody, man. Great. We all fucking agree. Pedophilia bad, right?
Starting point is 01:09:15 Let's fucking go. And then it's really, I think it was frustrating for so many people that his life ended so abruptly without any real sense of like uh like getting to the bottom of this and now you want you would hope that we could be like okay so let's focus there are people out here that probably can connect these dots yeah can we talk the one thing so the one piece of new information that the documentary gives you about his death is that two days before he died he had like changed his will around to make it so that his victims would never get a cent of his money if he died so basically like the documentary seems
Starting point is 01:09:56 to be of the opinion that he did kill himself and it was like in keeping with his kind of behavior up to that point, because he's just like this incredible narcissist who feels no guilt over what he's done. And so he, because he knows like his life is over, he's going to find a way to protect his money from going to his victims. But it's just, I don't know. I still like,
Starting point is 01:10:26 to his victims but it's just i don't know i still like they also show you the colloidal bone thing where the uh examiners like i've never seen anything like this and my many many uh autopsies uh and suicides like a very common way that people die and like i've never seen anyone have this bone broken in three places let alone from like just kneeling forward so i don't know i i question marks continue the question marks do continue yeah yeah let's get someone to produce one that isn't fucking friends with someone who could be implicated better idea that would be good because then it's and it's also again that's the thing with these documentaries too like it's all that we call them documentaries but the there's they're so biased in that the executive producer who's gonna have the final
Starting point is 01:11:16 say on the cut is gonna of course have things that are gonna absolve bill clinton or at least not try and tidy that up so it's like like, well, this documentary certainly isn't going to make it hot for Bill Clinton. And this documentary certainly isn't going to make it hot for the idea that maybe Jeffrey Epstein's death was untoward in any way, because then that would implicate that there are people still alive who have a vested interest in him dying
Starting point is 01:11:36 because dot, dot, dot. So, but the clips I've seen were like, so, you know, I have just this morbid fascination. I think we all do with Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. I guess I'll just wait a bit. I think I'll watch Lovebirds again. It was heartbreaking.
Starting point is 01:11:53 It's layered. I definitely made the wrong choice. Hey, check out Lovebirds though. I watched the Lovebirds trailer after I watched the first episode of Jeffrey Epstein. And I was just like, why did you do that to yourself? Milk was a bad choice one other one other new piece of information is that people think that he had a sexual relationship with uh leslie wexner the uh vanity fair or not vanity fair uh victoria's secret uh ceo and like
Starting point is 01:12:21 billionaire who ended up giving him access to all his money. That's an interesting wrinkle that I hadn't heard about. All these people still alive. Still able to remember things. Still able to talk with their mouths. Greg, it's been a pleasure
Starting point is 01:12:40 having you, man. Where can people find you and follow you? Instagram, Citizen Critic Pod. My handle is NoHandleRequired. pleasure having you man where can people find you and uh follow you instagram citizen critic pod um that's kind of my my handle is no handle required which is hey i did all these things before you know what i'm saying uh before i ever actually thought that i was gonna do a podcast and on twitter i'm a little turd but i again, never, never imagined that I would ever be giving that Twitter handle out to anyone. Little Turd?
Starting point is 01:13:08 How are you spelling that? I spell that these days. This is what I'm going to actually have to look at, because I'm like, how do I spell Little Turd? L-I-T-L-T-U-R-D. All right. There you go. Little Turd.
Starting point is 01:13:20 And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? So I love Jess Dweck. I love all of her tweets. I don't know if you follow her on Twitter. She's wonderful. But the last tweet that she sent was, I guess racism is an essential business, which I just think she always nails Trump and Trump Jr.
Starting point is 01:13:44 and all those guys and does it in a way that kind of makes me laugh and cry a little bit inside at the same time so i anything that that she tweets out i always tend to enjoy yeah i just thought that was completely spot on yeah miles where can people uh find you and follow you uh you can find me on twitter and instagram playstation network at miles of gray uh and also my other podcast 420 day fiance if you would like a soothing distraction and just talking about absolutely nothing 90 day fiance the trash reality show i'm just high ranting about it with another comedian that might be good for your ears right now. Check out 420 Day Fiance.
Starting point is 01:14:27 And even if you haven't seen it, most people don't watch it and still listen. So a couple tweets I like. First one is from Andrew T., a past guest. He tweeted, he said, LA, if you're curious whether all these businesses opening back up this week means it's safe to go out, consider that the one industry where rich people have to put in long hours next to working class people, And I think that is very horrifying observation.
Starting point is 01:14:56 And then another one from Rob Delaney, always a classic at Rob Delaney. He said, at Rob Delaney. He said, there's one place I'll quote unquote take marijuana, the fucking toilet, to flush it to hell. That's good. Zway, who writes for Jesus and Mero, tweeted, can't believe
Starting point is 01:15:20 Corona blew a 28-3 lead to racism. Then producer Anna Hosnier forwarded a tweet from Brokey McPoverty, which was, she tweeted, black people riot when their anger over being murdered and oppressed reaches a boiling point. Here are some fun reasons why white people have rioted.
Starting point is 01:15:43 And it's screen caps of headlines. Their sports team loses. Their sports team wins. Their sports team's coach leaves to coach somewhere else. They were told they couldn't party anymore. And it's James Madison, you block party turns into a riot. 30 arrested. Pumpkins.
Starting point is 01:16:03 It's just an LA Time headline. Riot breaks out at new hampshire pumpkin festival uh they don't like straw hats the 1922 straw hat riot uh because because their sports coach left after he covered up child molestation joe pa penn state riots after joe paterno's ousting surfing yeah that wild. The US Open of surfing turns into a riot. Yeah, that Penn State one is ridiculous. Woodstock 99 was too fun, I guess. The moment that Woodstock 99 went up in flames.
Starting point is 01:16:35 Cabbage Patch Kids. The strange story of Cabbage Patch Kids riots of 1983. Riots. Multiple riots of one year. Decided they hate disco. That we're doing the rioting. Right. Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:49 That's important to remember. I decided they hate disco and it was a disco demolition night, which somebody pointed out was a homophobic movement. The anti-disco thing. And also racist. Black people wanted educations. 1962 Mississippi race riots. disco thing and also racist. Black people wanted educations. 1962 Mississippi race riots and most
Starting point is 01:17:09 glaringly of all because black people were prospering and doing just fine without them. And that is the Tulsa race massacre. So just to keep in mind if you find yourself having the thought of why are these riots happening
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Starting point is 01:17:44 off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what are we going to ride out on today? This is a track from Sango and Jules. Sango's like a producer. I really like a lot of his music. A lot of the stuff I've played from him before is heavily sampling Brazilian music.
Starting point is 01:18:04 And just based off the title of this EP that he has out, Fufu and Grits, I have a feeling we're going to hear some West African and Central African samples of fufu being. The cassava dish that if you've eaten any traditional West African, Central African cooking, it's fantastic. It's like you dip it with your soup and your sauce and it it's just like a nice starchy thing to keep your belly full. And this track is called Ritmo Coco, and it's just, again, great summer vibes, but it's like a lot of great sampled guitar licks in there, but also the beat is a little, you know, dancey,
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