The Daily Zeitgeist - Robert Mueller: Fake Messiah, Woke Barbies 4.5.18

Episode Date: April 5, 2018

In episode 120, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jamie Loftus to discuss if the Mueller investigation is actually going anywhere, Scott Pruitt being a scammer through and through, Ryan Zinke's ...shady, racist behavior, up to 2 billion Facebook profiles compromised, the new 'woke' Barbie series, & more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:28 Thank you so much to Chapman Rice, a.k.a. Goddess, for hitting me with that little Troy deep cut, a.k.a. for all the people who really know that shit. She listens to all the same music that I've been listening to for the past 30 years of my life. I'm convinced Chapman Rice might be some kind of Russian algorithm that's fucking with us. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by all-time great Daily Zeitgeist guest and hilarious comedian, Yammy Lofty.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Hi! Yammy Lofty! Yammy Returns! It's Yammy Yam Yam. Return of Jafar. Return of Jummy. Wait, is Return of Jafar like one of those off-brand sequels? I would actually call it an extremely on-brand sequel.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Oh, my bad. I used to have a big old crush on Jafar, and so we were watching the Return of Jafar constantly. Jafar was a stunt queen. Jafar was straight up gorgeous, very elegant, amazing cheekbones. Mean. I love a meanie. I love a mean, pointy-looking
Starting point is 00:03:26 guy. Also, not a bad leader, though. The town did okay under him, I feel like. And also, they were making some crazy decisions. You know, the first man who walks into town on an elephant just gets to marry the... You know what? Jafar did his time.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Jafar's like, hey, what about me too? You know, me too, Jafar. Hashtag me too, yes. Hashtag Jafar did his time. Jafar's like, hey, what about me too? You know, me too, Jafar. Hashtag me too, yes. Hashtag Jafar as well. And he's taking over from a guy who's like totally disconnected from his palace. I just feel like he was being responsible. Jafar is basically Rasputin.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Right, exactly. He's just like, you know, the resident wizard who just wants a job. Yeah, and he was definitely fucking the Sultan, right? Oh, for sure. And I feel like the Sultan was just like, you know what? I'm not like, I don't want to give it to you. It was a little mind game. Jamie, what is something from your search history?
Starting point is 00:04:17 Oh, boy. I got a lot of search, a lot of passive aggressive search history recently. Uh-oh. I've been, so because of reasons I'll get into later, I was looking up a lot of three and four letter words. So three letter words, four letter words, recent search.
Starting point is 00:04:32 How to improve WikiFeet page. I've been trying to, I've really been thinking about my score a lot. Did it go up? Because last show you discovered
Starting point is 00:04:43 you did in fact have a WikiFeet page. So yes. So for the gang who were very kind and were like, but it turned out I already had a wiki feet page, have for six months, didn't know, and had a pretty- Four star. Four stars. Y'all four star feet.
Starting point is 00:04:57 And then I was really running my mouth about it and I think, and then my rating went up to almost five stars. Beautiful feet. There are no flicks on there though, right? No pictures. No one knows my shoe sizes. mouth about it and i think and and then my rating went up to almost five stars beautiful feet there are no flicks on there though right no pictures no one knows my shoe sizes and i fucking dare you to figure it out you know it's funny i think on the show yesterday or last week when you were here we're like oh we'll put the feet in the pic or whatever and then a few people were like yo where the feet at i got some i went to like the deep dms Instagram, and you're just like, oh, people want to see the feet.
Starting point is 00:05:27 They want the feet. Yeah. I mean, good luck. Because the thing is, the feet, they're bad. But then I went back down to nice as of yesterday, and I was like, oh. Oh, there's levels to the feet. Yeah, your rating changes, and it's really been affecting my moods. Wait, so you went from what to what?
Starting point is 00:05:47 I started nice. I went up to beautiful for a few days, and I was feeling like, well, I shoplifted. I was feeling great. That's what you do when you feel good. I can do anything I want. Thank you for all those D batteries, though, too. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:01 So for everyone who I just gave batteries and Twix eggs to, I shoplifted those when I had beautiful feet. Now I'm back to nice. Now I'm just like, oh man. I'm actually going to take the stuff back. There was a moment where I was like, I could just create a bunch of shell accounts and just make my feet beautiful again. But that's cheating.
Starting point is 00:06:20 That's where it starts. You just go down a rabbit hole. Can't catfish my own feet. That's what happened to Tara Reid. Is that how she got to where she is? Started fucking with the fake-ass bot accounts, trying to get her foot score up, and look what happened to her.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Dude, I know. That's true. What is something you think is underrated? Underrated, actually, follow-up thought, treating people based on the state of your WikiFeets account. Because I saw a friend yesterday, like right after I saw my... Because I've been compulsively checking it. Shout out to all my OCD heads who love to refresh a page.
Starting point is 00:06:56 That's my favorite page to refresh right now. And when I saw it went down to nice, I got lunch with my friend right after. And I realized in the middle, I was like, I'm being kind of aggressive and a little mean to my dear friend. And she was just like, are you like, okay, is everything going fine? And I was just like, I think I'm upset because someone said my feet were ugly and I can't figure out who it is. And I mean, I can't. And it's really hard to create an account. So I was rude to one of my oldest friends because people are being –
Starting point is 00:07:26 and I would say that that's underrated and a very funny way to mood ring your own life. I'm just going to tell you. I don't want to trigger you. But have you looked at the spread of your ratings and where you lie, where people's opinions are? People have strong opinions. I know because you have two ugly ratings, two votes for ugly. Okay. Miles. Two for nice. What are you doing, Miles? And five for beautiful. I'm just – I know, you have two ugly ratings, two votes for ugly. Okay. Miles.
Starting point is 00:07:45 Two for nice. What are you doing, Miles? And five for beautiful. I'm just, you know. I know, but it's. It's called exposure therapy. Oh, trust me. I've done exposure therapy.
Starting point is 00:07:53 You need to look at these numbers right now and accept them. Shout out to my exposure therapy heads up. Yeah. Majority of 2016. No, it's true though because it's like, and the ugly, the new ugly, which I am like, one of my enemies made a WikiFeets account.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Yeah, because that's what bumped me back down nice from beautiful. All right, well, this is what we're going to do. You know what we're going to do? Zeitgang, go to wikifeet.com.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Create my couch. Go to Jamie's page and upvote the shit out of it. Get her back to beautiful. Get me back to beautiful. Even though them shits are ugly, yourself admittedly. It is straight up, I have hobbit feet. It's not me. It's actually Get her back to beautiful. Even though them shits are ugly, yourself admittedly.
Starting point is 00:08:26 It is straight up, I have hobbit feet. Wait, are there pictures of your feet? I don't know how wicky feet work. There would be, right? If you were a celebrity. Yeah, but I'm not. There is one super deluxe video I made once where you can see my feet, and my feet are very dirty in the thing.
Starting point is 00:08:44 It's just like, we had been walking around barefoot all day, and so there's like – That'll do it every time. That'll do it every time. But you were a dancer, right? I was a dancer. So is that why your feet look like the Throne of Gangstown? That's why.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Lots of curled, gnarled. You can tell. You're like, oh, this isn't the first iteration of this toenail. This is version three and a half. A lot of reboots of toenails lurking around on the feet. Jamie, what's something you think is overrated? Oh, hold on. Anna just pointed out, it says people who liked Jamie Loftus' feet also liked Jennifer Gardner,
Starting point is 00:09:20 AJ Cook, Hilary Duff, Marguerite Moreau, and Ariana Grande. That is great company to be in I would prefer some intellectuals throw in Maya Angelou who does have a page oh wow
Starting point is 00:09:32 yeah good to know anyways you know surf away this is how we're going to get you in a Tarantino movie
Starting point is 00:09:37 oh my god it's the easiest way because you know he loves the feet you just gotta bait him you just gotta bait god what a cunt yeah but like
Starting point is 00:09:44 go for the anti-foot Tarantino. Stop highlighting the beautiful feet women. Yeah, start looking at some really- The real feet. Gnarled up, stinky feet, please. Thank you. What's something you think is overrated? Overrated, unfortunately, also because the last time I was here, I talked about how much
Starting point is 00:10:01 I love a series of unfortunate events, have since seen the new season of the show. No. Not good. I don't think that there is a more poorly casted television show currently running. It is crazy how all the casting on that show is straight up bad. And I'm also salty because Alison Williams got cast in my dream part for when I was a tiny little child.
Starting point is 00:10:26 She's just getting all the parts. Fucking Peter Pan. Motherfucking Get Out. Oh, you're someone's daughter. I'll fight her. Yeah, there you go. Everyone is someone's daughter. I can't tell if she's really good at playing somebody who is really hateable or if she's really hateable.
Starting point is 00:10:42 somebody who is really hateable or if she's really hateable. Yeah, I wonder what she's actually like because maybe she is just capitalizing on being hard to be around. I have a question, Jamie. This is going to be hard for our audience to know. I'm looking at your keyboard. How much Cheeto dust
Starting point is 00:10:58 is on your computer keyboard right now? It looks like all Pirates booty dust. Excuse me. I have I would say shotguns, three bags of pirate booty since I entered the building. And you're flying. That's a current dusting. Oh, shit. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:11:14 I'm going to take a picture. I have to yammy lofty. Okay, I'm going to lean in. Hey, we keep referencing your last appearance. I spoke to my mom over the weekend. Oh, yeah. And she listens to our show and she specifically called out your episode
Starting point is 00:11:28 she said I really liked the episode with J Loaf and I was like you know that was the same young woman who was at the live show that you came to she only came to one of my live shows at Cracked I met your mom
Starting point is 00:11:44 yeah you met my mom and you talked the entire set about coming during frazier and i was thinking about how frazier and niles make you come and uh it's true that like i got halfway through the sentence like to remind my mom about i was like oh you she was from the live show. You met her. She's the one who talked about, and then I remember that you talked about just, yeah. Coming to Frasier. Coming to Frasier. Remember, Mom?
Starting point is 00:12:12 Yeah. Yeah, I just, I finished it with full confidence. I didn't shy away. You digress. You've got a big fan in Philadelphia. And I'm glad the Harry Potter fans out there, because they were upset at you. They came for you.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Someone canceled you. It's like, I don't know. If you met her, you would understand her. I understand that Harry Potter is something that's important to people. It's not my fave. But now I'm fully humbled right now, because season two, a series of unfortunate events.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Neil Patrick Harris needs to chill out. You can't sing in every show, bitch. You can't. Oh, dare him. Wow. I know, like, don't cast him in a part where he's supposed to play a villain. He's like, but I need to sing in a carnival.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Like, you can't just sing in a carnival every single time. That's what you said. Someone needs to sit him down and just be like, Neil, you're so talented. We love you. You can't just tap dance during the villain scene. This is a tal-intervention. Yes, a tal-intervention.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Jamie, what is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? Okay, here's a myth. That a pirate's booty dust can damage your keyboard. It absolutely can. I think this is several years worth of pirate booty dust. I tried blowing it up off it's all fixed this is uh i've been fully ashamed the entirety no no no i just love it so my myth that i have
Starting point is 00:13:37 was not able to bust is you can defeat the ioc so so today, you know, it's important to know when you have been. You know when you've been bested. Yeah. So, the IOC basically is responsible for my Twitter account of 10 years being taken away at Hamburger Phone, rest in paradise. I would just, if it's okay, I would like to just say a few words about my Twitter. Yes, that's fine. Is this a eulogy for your Twitter?
Starting point is 00:14:06 A brief eulogy. Okay. One of the best out there. Thank you. And I started a new Twitter today. And you guys can find that out at the end of the show. Yeah, you're going to have to freaking wait. So stick around to figure out when to announce.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Tease local news anchor. And we'll have that after local, whatever. Go on. But you do, like, when you form your identity on social media. Yeah. I got the handle when I was 14 years old, immediately after seeing the movie Juno. And that is the bright side of all of this, is my Twitter handle is no longer a reference to Juno. That is something we can all cheer for.
Starting point is 00:14:39 But some things that happened with this Twitter. I crunched the numbers. I met or got to know better half of my sexual partners via this twitter account i got jobs based on this twitter account i lost both a job at a hot dog stand for tweeting fuck hot dogs oh no yes yes yo and my boss found it and was just like you don't seem passionate about the position, and therefore you are fired. What did we say? You have to wear the hat at Hot Dog on a Stick, Jamie.
Starting point is 00:15:10 What did they think? Your fucking handle is hamburger phone, not hot dog phone. Right. I'm just trying to stay loyal to my brand. They didn't understand. And then I also got fired from the Boston Club from that Twitter account. Did you really?
Starting point is 00:15:23 I did, yeah. Why? What did you say? In 2015, I tweeted, when I do well at an open mic, I come so hard I bleed. And I was working as a reporter at a major newspaper. But I did get fired. Well, look. They got to know that's your style.
Starting point is 00:15:38 You're open. You're who you are. Yeah. Facts are facts, Boston Globe. Yeah. Fact check that. You can't fact check that. Because it's, well, you can. And it was true. Right. Jamie facts, Boston Globe. Yeah. Fact check that. You can't fact check that because it's, well, you can and it was true. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Jamie's a great writer. So that's what she was doing working at Boston Globe. That's why you don't get it. Wow. And why don't you just share your Twitter handle now? My new Twitter handle is Jamie Loftus Help. Jamie Loftus Help. I think we should leap that out so people will listen to the end of this show.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, but that's true. You went up against the International Olympic Committee. Honestly. And they got you. There is no more evil organization that you could create a feud with than the International Olympic Committee.
Starting point is 00:16:20 They are the worst. They are corrupt. I'm basically Tonya Harding. You are. You know who else was bested by the IOC? You're Tonya Harding, except They are corrupt. I'm basically Tonya Harding. You are. You know who else was bested by the IOC? Except you are innocent. I'm surprised you didn't do this. I'm digital Tonya Harding. Dude, that should have been your handle. God damn it. No! Jamie Loftus
Starting point is 00:16:37 helped. Because if you think about it, your past film obsession was Juno, and now it is now I, Tonya. I tried. I was like, I, Jamie Loftus? Is that a good Twitter handle? No. It's just kind of confusing. It looks scary.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Jamie Loftus, help. That's where you can find all this shit from now on. Boom. And let's get into the stories, guys. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now. And I wanted to start out talking about the Mueller investigation because we talked about this story that broke in the Washington Post a few days back, the one that said that Trump is not a target of a criminal investigation. He is a subject. So he's like somehow involved. He's not a witness, which is the most innocent sort of way you can be involved in an investigation.
Starting point is 00:17:28 But he's also not the target. And the immediate reaction to that among sort of the mainstream media, for the most part, was that Mueller is sort of slow rolling this, trying to draw Trump into a interview. And that's what we reported. We were like, yeah, so that must be what it is. But the more you think about it, and I actually read an article on The Hill from a law professor at, I think, George Washington, who I thought for a second, like after I read it, I was like, oh, this must be a Fox News talking head because he was like, when is the media going to accept that Trump is not a criminal target, that like the Mueller
Starting point is 00:18:17 investigation might not go the way they think it's going to go? He might not get caught up in this thing. And, you know, I looked this guy up. I was expecting him to be like Sean Hannity's main legal expert. But he is just a liberal law school person that I guess he has written some weird problematic stuff, Miles, you were pointing out. It is another weird blog post. But I mean, I get the article is written pretty, you know, apolitically of just sort of like trying to look at, look, there's not a lot adding up so far. And this is the thing I think even since the beginning, like whenever, you know, when we've talked about, should we talk about this thing in the mother thing or not? Like we've always kind of just said on and off Mike that it's like this, a lot of people are putting a lot of their eggs in the basket because this is like the one logical thing that could bring a conclusion that people would want right
Starting point is 00:19:10 in terms of like some kind of karmic justice and also kind of invalidate 2016 right people are still that's like a wound yeah people are still you know dealing with right so i get what the point he's making of just sort of like yeah because you know he brings up a lot of points like people on CNN were just like, oh, man, he's totally fucked or whatever. And, yeah, and even yesterday we were whenever that was, maybe the day before. I don't know. Time's a blur that, you know, we were saying you can go from a subject to a target. Right. And that's still the case.
Starting point is 00:19:38 That's still the case. That's not the main takeaway. That shouldn't be your first instinct. No. And like there were no stories in the immediate aftermath of this revelation in The Washington Post or in The New York Times that said what this guy was saying, which is this is really good news for Trump. This seems to suggest, OK, if they had said he was a subject but not a target, like when the investigation was starting, that wouldn't have been like a good or a bad thing because, you know, but he's been investigating him for like over a year now and he still hasn't found anything
Starting point is 00:20:12 that immediately ties him to the crime. That's not to say that he didn't commit a crime and there is certainly a lot of smoke there, but it just might be that they aren't going to be able to find the evidence. Right. Or it's just a bunch of people around him were doing the crimes. Right. You know, I feel like it is like at this point, the, the Mueller investigation does sort of feel like when you're like trying to like undo a breakup or something, you're like,
Starting point is 00:20:36 well, maybe if this happens, it'll work. And then, and then it's like, that doesn't work. You're like, well, maybe if I do this, this'll work. And it's been going on for so long. It's like, I mean, not that we should just accept that Trump is. I mean, absolutely not. But it does seem like, you know, every time there's a new thing, it's like we're kind of grasping at a straw there. And then that doesn't go through.
Starting point is 00:20:56 And then it's another thing. Yeah. I mean, the sexiest thing has been like indictments of people like Paul Manafort. But like even the Russians were like, whatever. Those are people that they just found for like fraud and other things like that. But I think at the end of the day, it's, it's hard to speculate either direction, right? Like there's not enough for you to be like, oh, well nothing like, like guys come off it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:14 And there's also not enough also to be just nutting yourself when you're like, oh, this guy's entitled to fucking. So yeah, I think it really all depends on how you look. So yeah, I think it really all depends on how you look. I'm just so hesitant because this dude, like honestly, I don't know what will stick to this guy that will get even the Republicans in the House to say like even a bad thing about him. So regardless of this, if you really want to go to sleep at night and give yourself a North Star to live by, focus on the midterms. Right. And just work on just taking back the fucking House and the Senate.
Starting point is 00:21:47 That's really how you're going to curb his power. Human beings can actually do stuff. Yeah, because Bobby Digital is not going to come through and be like, get out of here, Donald Trump. That was my RZA impersonation, by the way. Bobby Digital would have been another great voter handle. When the RZA switched to Bobby Digital for that one album.
Starting point is 00:22:06 What about Bobby Mueller or? Bobby Digital for that one album. What about Bobby Muller or Bobby Moynihan. Mary Fuck Kill. Bobby Moynihan. Bobby Muller. Bobby Durst. Oh, Robert Durst. Mary Fuck Kill. I know you want to marry Robert Durst.
Starting point is 00:22:22 I want to marry Robert Durst. Jamie Loftus Durst is too long, unfortunately. Or Durst Wife 3, I think is the other one. Durst Wife 3 would have been a dope one. I will say that, yes, I would marry Robert Durst. Okay, moving on. Well, just because I want to die. Just because I'm looking to die.
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Starting point is 00:26:41 or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and uh we wanted to talk a little bit about a couple guys who i thought were the same person up until uh maybe last week uh scott pruitt and ryan zinke for reason, I was just like, they have the same sort of, their names don't sound alike, but their names are the same level of weirdness. I don't know. For some reason. A guy named Scott and a guy named Ryan is weird? They just, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Like, they're very normal. They're very normal. Oh, right. Yeah. Their first names are very normal. Their last names are the same, sort of like, you know, 50% weird. Anyways, that's my theory on why. I like this rating system.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Can you sort of diagram this? Jamie, you are 45% weird. No. Ooh. I like it. What about Jamie Loftus-Durst? How does that change the equation? Your new handle, 45% weird.
Starting point is 00:27:41 You're edging off. No, but I don't know why I thought they were the same person. Because they're both shitbags and they're department secretaries. So we wanted to talk about them separately because they are both in the news for being, as Miles puts it, God scam God. I would say Scott Pruitt, a.k.a. God scam God. Deep cut reference to the Providence basketball player, God sham God. With a sick crossover. Woo, boy, let me tell you about the Sham God.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Made you go Sham wow. The decision to name your son God when your last name is Sham God is fucking amazing. But also, Sham, you're a Sham God. A scam God, anyway. He is God and all other gods are Sham Gods. Reminds me of my ex-boyfriend, Scam Likely. Oh, Scam Likely, Scamuel Likely. Oh, Scam Likely. Scamual
Starting point is 00:28:25 Likely. Well, and his evil twin Scamron. Scamron Likelington. Scamron Likeling. So yeah, Scott Pruitt basically is on some next level kleptocrat shit. So we're talking about the swamp. Last week, I think we talked about his quote-unquote living arrangement, you know, because he was like living at a condo that a
Starting point is 00:28:41 lobbyist's wife owned. So what is his job, Miles? He is the head of the EPA. The Environmental Protection Agency. So he's about protecting the environment. The EPA, the villain of the first Ghostbusters movie. Thank you. He is basically that guy. Better than us.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Yes. So basically, yes, he watches over a lot of chemical people, energy industry people, you know, just to make sure that the environment is not being completely destroyed. So cut to, we already knew he was getting like $50 a night Airbnb style thing at this lobbyist's wife's condo. Then we find out that there were parties being thrown and like fundraisers at this condo he was staying in with like other energy lobbyists and other politicians and shit.
Starting point is 00:29:25 And the whole defense was sort of like, well, I just rent the bedroom. So if something's going down the rest of the house, I don't know. I just rent the room. So while he lived there for $50 a night in this enormous palatial place, there were lobbyist parties being thrown. That's like a very Jersey Shore mentality to like, yeah, living in a house. Yeah, just having the parties. So they were saying there's a few fundraisers going on. He was just saying, look, bro, I just rent the joint.
Starting point is 00:29:52 You know what I mean? So then we find out also that the lobbyist whose wife owns the building had a huge project basically approved sort of by the EPA. So one of this lobbyist clients was under the Obama administration to find sixty one million dollars for spilling like thousands of gallons of oil into the Kalamazoo River. Whoopsies. And they were like, that's what you say before you do that.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know. J.K. LOL. J.K. So then when they had this next project, the EPA had to kind of sign off and be like, oh, these guys like, you know, they know what they're doing. And he just without even referencing the fact that they completely fucked up he was just like oh yeah
Starting point is 00:30:27 they're they're great good to go so who knows man maybe that's pay-per-play i don't know who gives a shit right uh then the scam started heating up okay the scam likely uh we already knew he was taking first class and business class flights because he was saying that when he flies like coach or whatever are people just mean to him because he's destroying the fucking earth. So he was like, I can't deal with poors because they're like pointing out my fuckery. So that's why that was sort of the basis of his argument is like, that's why I have to fly first. That does suggest that people who can't afford first class are just naturally more violent people. Of course.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Yes. Poor people are crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. So and also someone who just can't confront his own bullshit. Right. So then this shit comes up with two of his aides that when he was in Oklahoma that he brought with him to D.C. when he became the head of the EPA. One woman, Sarah Greenwalt, she's 30 and was his legal counsel.
Starting point is 00:31:18 She's only making a paltry $107,000 a year. Oh, my God. Then his other, another aide, this woman, Milan Hupp, she's 26. And I mean, I don't think any 26 year old should have to live off of just a meager $86,000 a year. Right. So he was like, you know what? Y'all need some fucking raises.
Starting point is 00:31:38 He's like 50% and 30% respectively. So he goes to that presidential personnel office we talked about where everybody's just vaping all the time. Right. Because that's where he had to go to personnel office we talked about where everybody's just vaping all the time. Right. Because that's where he had to go to get like, it's like the HR
Starting point is 00:31:48 to get the razor proof. We should, for anybody who missed that episode. I think that's Friday's episode. Yeah. There is an office in the White House where they basically,
Starting point is 00:31:56 it's supposed to be in charge of personnel and like hiring and all that stuff. But they basically use it to stow nepotistic appointments and you know like the dumb kid who you had to give a job right and they are there like cages like how did they there's mad couches the washington poster uh some actual journalistic entity went and they were like yeah
Starting point is 00:32:17 it's just a bunch of kids like vaping yeah in the white but the way they wrote is like smoking e-cigarettes or vaping right um so they they're vaping. So they said, no, you're not getting this fucking raise. Right. Even they were like, no, man. They were like, bruh, that's a lot of money. I mean, does 50% even keep up with inflation? No. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:35 So this guy is such a fucking next level scammer. He found a loophole in the Safe Drinking Water Act that allows an EPA administrator to hire up to 30 people in the agency without white house or congressional approval so mr pruitt just shifted those women over to that so he could grant these insane raises so now uh sarah greenwalt who's uh the general legal counsel for him 164 000 and uh milan who's 26 she's making 116000 now. So shout out to you. Great boss. Also, Jack, where's my fucking raise? And also, like, what's crazy is, like, this woman who's a legal counsel, she's, like, making more than, like, lifers at the administration, who's, like, the EPA's general counsel. And also the other woman who's, like, the scheduler, she's making, like, way more money
Starting point is 00:33:19 than most people who have been there since the Obama administration. So people are fucking hot. And not to mention, he also is making lobbyists from certain industries, like the people who are overseeing the regulations. So he appointed a chemical industry lobbyist to be the deputy head of the Office of Chemical Safety. Right. And the cool thing about that- This is the whole way that all of the bureaucracies under Trump are working.
Starting point is 00:33:43 The people who are supposed to be regulating different industries are actually, they're hiring people from those industries who in the past have been in charge of fighting those departments. So, I mean, and this is going to cause people to die in the future because
Starting point is 00:33:59 chemicals are going to get into our water supply and that's how people die. Hey, but I'm 26 and I need me a hundred thousand, supply. And that's how people die. Hey, but I'm 26 and I need to make $100,000, bro. So that's how I'm thinking. Yeah, in my defense, I would love $100,000. So I can't wait until that argument goes to court. It's like, well, to be fair, I love money.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Right. It's that bad. So here's the funny part. It's that bad. So Scott Pruitt had to go on Fox News to do a little interview because they're like, bro, it's getting a little hot. And over the weekend, Trump was like, no, we support you.
Starting point is 00:34:30 But as these scandals come out, it's getting much and much more hairy for him. So he goes on Fox, which you think is like the home team. Right, softball. Yeah, it's a layup, bro. It's a fucking dunk. It's a fucking grand slam. It's a windmill jam, daddy. It's a fucking dunk. It's a fucking grand slam. It's a windmill jam, daddy. Fave meal.
Starting point is 00:34:46 So, yeah. Suffice it to say, shit did not go that well for him on Fox. So peep this little bit of interview. If you're committed to the Trump agenda, why did you go around the president and the White House and give pay raises to two staffers? I did not. My staff did, and I found out about that yesterday,
Starting point is 00:35:02 and I changed it. So somebody being fired for that? That should not have been done. So who did it? There would be some accountability. A career person or a political person? I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:10 You don't know? You don't know who did it? I found out about this yesterday and I corrected the action. So we are in the process of finding out how it took place and correcting it. So hang on. Both of these staffers who got these large pay raises are friends of yours. I believe from Oklahoma, right? They are staffers here in the agency.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Then they're from, they're friends of yours. Well, they serve a very important person. And you didn't know that they got these large pay raises? I did not know that they got the pay raises until yesterday. Okay, one of them got a pay raise of, let's see, $28,000, the other was $56,000. Do you know what the median income in this country is?
Starting point is 00:35:40 Fuck. No, what is it? $57,000 a year. Okay. Whoa! So one of your friends from Oklahoma got a pay raise that's the medium income pay raise. They did not get a pay raise. They did not get a pay raise. They did.
Starting point is 00:35:49 No, they did not. They did not. I stopped that yesterday. So you stopped it. Are you embarrassed that you run this agency? It should not have happened. President Trump said he would drain the swamp. Is draining the swamp renting an apartment from the wife of a Washington lobbyist?
Starting point is 00:36:04 I don't think that that's even remotely fair to ask that question. ExxonMobil is a client. Mr. Hart has no clients that has business before this agency. ExxonMobil has no business. He's a member of a law firm. To take his relationship and extend it. You're not answering the question. You said some pretty tough stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:25 You said about the president, quote, and this is in 2016, I think he's an empty vessel when it comes to things like the Constitution and rule of law. You said that about Donald Trump. In February of 2016. And I will tell you, as I said here today,
Starting point is 00:36:38 as I've walked with him and served him, I didn't know the president at that time. So why did you say something like that? I had not served him at that time. And I will tell you, and I will tell you, look, that was, I was misinformed. Have you made mistakes? I think this is something that needs to be corrected. It was a mistake. It was a mistake by my team. So do you take responsibility? I'm fixing it. Do you take responsibility? I'm fixing the problem. Wow. And in his defense, he's never made a mistake.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Wow. Wow. In his defense, he's never made a mistake. Dude, I couldn't believe how... He sounded like one of those dudes on Cops who is in a stolen car and just out of his head, and then they're like, I don't know. I think I borrowed the car from a friend. Was I driving the car?
Starting point is 00:37:17 I don't know. Yeah, we pulled you over. He's not doing too well. I was really impressed with uh ed henry whoever the fuck that was at fox was like pressing him but again at the same time yeah we all know why this just means that he's on the outs with the trump administration and so trump kind of gave them the green light to just fuck with this yeah rip his head off in front of everyone right because i think it's easier for fox to seem like objective when they go after people
Starting point is 00:37:45 that are not Trump and who clearly they can just be like, oh, this is bullshit, this is bullshit, this is bullshit. But let's ignore what's really going on.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Yeah, I mean, fundamentally, Fox are bullies and so when somebody is losing power- No, the Parkland teenagers are bullies. Right, that's true.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Okay, Jack. Behind them. That goes without saying. Yeah, Emma Gonzalez, clearly the biggest bully. Oh my God. But then Fox. Certainly not Nike. And when they sense weakness, when they see that somebody is, you know, down in terms of like power in the White House and in terms of esteem in Trump's eyes, they're going to just fucking go in for the kill. It's why they and Trump get along so well. They have the exact same sort of logic.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Yeah. So now let's talk about this other guy who apparently is not the same person as the guy we were just talking about, Ryan Zinke. Yeah. So he is Secretary of the Interior? Yeah, Department of Interior. Okay. You know why. What is that? Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:43 So they look after everything, like the federal lands, our fucking parks. Interior, like inside. Interior decorating. Got it. Mid-century modern Bauhaus, whatever. I thought that was Ben Carson. No, no, no. Wait, he's not doing interior decorating anymore?
Starting point is 00:38:56 Not anymore. I mean, Zinky had, I think, he bought like a $13,000 door or something. Uh-huh. But he got in trouble for some weird shit like that. Anyway. He's also the one who puts the flag up every time he's in. I believe that's him. So you know that the king is in the house. The dink is in the house. I hope he has
Starting point is 00:39:12 a fanfare that plays trumpets whenever he enters the room. Maybe it's the horn line from Spodey Odie Dopealicious. That would be fucking dope. That would be dope and upsetting at the same time to have such an amazing song and then for this shit bag to walk into work um so yes he looks after basically all of the federal land you know he was the guy who opened up a lot of the national parks for you know development and things
Starting point is 00:39:33 like that people were really pissed off and like we all we talked about that a little bit on the show uh so recently it was we find out that so at the interior he did like a huge reorg reshuffle and it turned out a third of these people that were shuffled around were Native American. And Native Americans make up less than 10 percent of the department's workforce. And they do because there is a quota saying that they need to hire. About diversity, yes. And also because these people understand the tribal lands and things like that. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:00 It just makes sense. Yeah, exactly. You're talking about the lands of this country. And this is something that we need everyone's opinion on. You can't have just one perspective there. Yeah, you can't just have crazy racist Ryan Zinke. But that was not Ryan Zinke hiring those people based on his own judgment.
Starting point is 00:40:17 That is something he came into, right? Yeah, these are people who were there already. Now, just to refresh my memory, haven't we shown a clip of Ryan Zinke before? We didn't show a clip. Because this is an audio medium. This is an audio medium. But we talked about that there was a clip.
Starting point is 00:40:33 I guess just to show you sort of where this sort of person is culturally, his cultural sensitivity, Colleen Hanabusa, who's like a fourth generation Japanese congressperson from Hawaii, was asking him about funding for like educational sites that are under his purview as the secretary of the Department of Interior, about funding these sites that help educate Americans on Japanese internment. So as she's asking this, he has a really cool response because she's Japanese and she's asking about Japanese internment. He figures, let me swag on you a
Starting point is 00:41:05 little bit. Are you committed to continue the grant programs that are identified, I believe, as the Japanese American Confinement Sites Grants Program, which were funded in 2017? Will we see it funded again in 2018? Oh, konnichiwa. That's real. I think it's still ohayou gozaimasu, but that's okay. What? Woo! What?
Starting point is 00:41:34 Motherfucker said konnichiwa. The response. That's crazy. That's crazy. Konnichiwa. You committed to reminding people about the Japanese internment. Konnichiwa. For real. That's like. That was not cut together. That is his response. No, and that
Starting point is 00:41:48 pause was also... In real time? Yes. The pause is also her going like first she has to take it in and then she's like, it's actually ohayou gozaimasu because it's still the morning, motherfucker. Right. And he was like, okay, I guess it's after 10. That's still the morning, you fucking dick.
Starting point is 00:42:04 T-shirt gunning salt into a wound. That's still the morning, you fucking dick. So still- T-shirt gunning salt into a wound. That's insane. Yeah. Insane. That is, it's also worth watching the clip
Starting point is 00:42:12 for the, I said this before, but there's a woman in the audience behind him who just like her mouth opens like after he says it
Starting point is 00:42:20 and she's just like, he can't say that. Right? Like this is the worst thing anyone's ever said, right? That's literally an arrest and development scene. That's crazy. That woman's jaw drops. And it's funny, when people pressed him about it, he was like, I don't see what's wrong.
Starting point is 00:42:33 I was like, I don't have a reason to apologize. What do you mean? I said good morning. They were like, oh, bro, okay. It's just like what a racist fifth grader would say when a Japanese person speaks to them. Yeah. Well, anyway.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Bananas. So this is who we're dealing with. Also, this man I think spent like $53,000 on helicopter rides and said he was just checking out the landscape to make sure shit was all good. And he was just taking a fucking helicopter ride. And also, I think the town he's from got that crazy $300 million power contract after Hurricane Maria? Right. Is that what it is?
Starting point is 00:43:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was a small company that barely existed. It only had three employees when Hurricane Maria made landfall in Puerto Rico. And he awarded them the contract to restructure or rebuild the Puerto Rican infrastructure. Yeah. And that was a huge scam god.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Sham god. Right. Sham god. Sham wow. Sham god. So now he's reshuffled all these Native Americans and also black and Hispanic employees, also women. I wonder why. Well, let's look at this for one reason why it was the Native American employees. These people are basically sort of the sole internal
Starting point is 00:43:48 opposing voice when it comes to like this scheme that he's trying to open up more tribal land to the fossil fuel industry. And they're like, nah, bro, we don't need people digging for resources on our tribal land. We already have enough going on and enough problems that this government is ignoring. It's just a very odd look because, you know, it's going to be very hard for him to spin this decision to look like anything but the fact that he was doing this because it was racially and politically motivated. But, you know, it also makes sense, too, because he was so fucking excited, like backed Trump's budget because it also like cut a lot of funding for the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Starting point is 00:44:28 And it's just sort of, you know, indicative of sort of the general situation there. Like it's terribly understaffed too. So, you know, shout out to Ryan Zinke. Yeah. Shout out to Zinke. So just real quick, the town that Ryan Zinke and that power company are from is Whitefish, Montana,
Starting point is 00:44:50 The town that Ryan Zinke and that power company are from is Whitefish, Montana, which is home to a Fash Wave hero. Oh, Richard Spencer? Richard Spencer, yeah. Oh, cool. Of course Richard Spencer's from a town called Whitefish. I know, exactly. But you know what? Same on that. It's my favorite deli thing, too.
Starting point is 00:44:59 I love Whitefish salad. So I'm in a really hard spot here. Thank you for speaking your truth. Shout out to Russ and Daughters, great Whitefish salad. I'm in a really hard spot here. Thank you for speaking your truth. Shout out to Russ and Daughters Great Whitefish Salad. Also Bethesda Bagels Great Whitefish Salad. Can I shout out some fish as well? Yes, please. I'd like to shout out the discontinued
Starting point is 00:45:16 at Uno's Moby Fish Sandwich, which was a pile of haddock on old bread. Sounds terrible. Used to love it. Slather it in whatever sauce you want. All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Dr. Laurie Santos, host of the Happiness Lab podcast. As the U.S. elections approach, it can feel like we're angrier and more divided than
Starting point is 00:45:46 ever. But in a new, hopeful season of my podcast, I'll share what the science really shows, that we're surprisingly more united than most people think. We all know something is wrong in our culture, in our politics, and that we need to do better and that we can do better. With the help of Stanford psychologist Jamil Zaki. It's really tragic. If cynicism were a pill, it'd be a poison. We'll see that our fellow humans, even those we disagree with,
Starting point is 00:46:12 are more generous than we assume. My assumption, my feeling, my hunch is that a lot of us are actually looking for a way to disagree and still be in relationships with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds. Sword Quest.
Starting point is 00:46:44 This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised $150,000 in prizes to four finalists. But the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. My reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful.
Starting point is 00:47:07 I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades. It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her.
Starting point is 00:48:09 What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. This summer, the nation watched as the Republican nominee for president was the target of two assassination attempts separated by two months. attempts, separated by two months. These events were mirrored nearly 50 years ago when President Gerald Ford faced two attempts on his life in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came
Starting point is 00:48:53 stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer.
Starting point is 00:49:22 This is Rip Current, Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. Sorry. So we wanted to talk about Facebook because this is an evolving
Starting point is 00:49:44 story. We thought we were just going to get to leave it in the past with the Cambridge Analytica hack, but it turns out that number just keeps going up. It used to be 50 million. Now we're at 87 million people who were given access. How big is the next jump going to be? Two billion? Well, so they are also saying that two billion people's information have been compromised. Like basically everyone, all the information has been compromised. So yeah, that's not good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:14 There's also people saying that they played a role in an honest to God genocide in Myanmar. Yeah. Well, I mean, the people who are trying to get the Rohingya out of Myanmar were using Facebook to just, you know, stoke the flames of hatred and shit and incite people. Just nice to hear someone's using Facebook. Yeah, right? Yeah, so they're in a fucking terrible place right now. Between Cambridge Analytica and then, like, having even tangentially being connected to this shit in Myanmar is a terrible look, to say the least. So now they're coming out
Starting point is 00:50:46 and giving us access to the information they've had about us all along. And some of the stuff is interesting, but I haven't been very impressed. I also haven't really used Facebook, never really used it, because once it started being a thing... Because I don't understand it.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Because it's just too complicated for me. I still just use Hotmail. Well, I'm curious. I've been edging. I've been edging. Oh, you're edging? I've been edging off using Facebook for the past three to four months.
Starting point is 00:51:19 There wasn't anything in particular that motivated it, but I just have found myself using it less and less to the point where I posted the other day and I was like, oh, I haven't said anything on this thing in like a week. It's weird. I used to give a fuck about people on my Facebook feed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:33 And I think after a while I'm like, all right, I get it. Like you're married. And I think it's easier to be off Facebook now, too, because it has just such a horrendous rep. Right. The information that was presented to me just lost its luster. Like in the beginning, it was cool to be like, oh shit, that dude I went to preschool with is like a referee now or some shit. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:51:54 Like it's just dumb shit like that. Yeah, that's a pretty cool job. No, right. But then like as those blanks get filled in, I'm like, all right, whatever. Fuck it. Everyone has a life and the sort of novelty. Like the novelty for me was- Their lives aren't as exciting as we were hoping. Yeah, it was reconnecting with people that like i hadn't seen in years and once i know
Starting point is 00:52:09 okay y'all are fine great well it's just like oh everyone's racist yeah yeah not feeling too good about their mental health there's that uh it is kind of like a place where I always go back to check to see if any of my friends from growing up have had opioid issues. Oh, really? Yeah. That seems to be a thing that's happening in a lot of places that I used to live. Yeah. The thing is, so because of that, you're talking about the categories, right? You're saying the information.
Starting point is 00:52:40 Yeah, I was looking at my categories. So categories. I'm very liberal, apparently. Right. Wow. Well, there's also liberal. Everybody listening. You can actually find out what buckets you're in, according to Facebook's ad algorithms. So all you got to do is go to your settings, right? Yeah. Or just Google how to find out what Facebook knows about me. And there are like 90 articles. Oh, right. Right. But I'm saying if you want to see personally like what your own information is and then go to ad preferences, then go to your information, and then go to categories,
Starting point is 00:53:08 your categories, and it'll tell you. For me, I've used it so little, the only things they know about me is I'm liberal. I use an iPhone on a 4G network, and I have Gmail. Right. Yeah, I don't have much either. But if you use it, it will tell you like, oh, you probably have roommates, or you know expats, or you speak these languages. Yeah. Yeah, close friends of expats, which isn't really even true about me. They also say that I'm a housemate-based household, which would suggest that I have roommates, but I live with my wife and kids.
Starting point is 00:53:38 They're like roommates. Wow, I love that show. My wife and kids, the best. Shout out to Damon Wayans. My information? Yep, your information. My your information And then your category So Jamie, how do they know you? Whoa, close friends of women with a birthday in 7 to 30 days
Starting point is 00:53:52 Close friends of people with birthdays in a week Birthday in August, away from family See? Management 4G network Away from hometown Very liberal MSN.com email users Oh no, you have msn.com email users oh no you have msn.com uh yeah if anyone
Starting point is 00:54:09 wants to shoot me an email to poetrypunk18 at msn.com i will never read it hey so also zeitgang look at your categories and if there's any like super crazy ones let us know yeah the weirdest thing anything you're like really impressed about too like wow i can't believe they knew that i'd love to hear about that. But in addition to becoming less cool with consumers and Jamie in particular, it is also becoming less cool to work for Facebook in Silicon Valley. And that's becoming a concern for Facebook is that Zuckerberg is having to apologize to his engineers, which are a very hotly competed over commodity engineering talent. It used to be really cool to work for Facebook,
Starting point is 00:54:52 and now they're having to come home and be like, sorry, honey, I work for Facebook. It's just not a cool thing to work. And if you can't recruit top engineering talent, that is a big hit for your company. Then who is you? So that's an issue. Zuckerberg just did a call with, I think,
Starting point is 00:55:10 the media and shareholders where he was getting a lot of questions about whether he should even be running the business anymore. Yeah, that's bad. I mean, a lot of tech people who are in the know are just like, this is kind of a hopeless situation. This dude, Tim Wu, who's a scholar and inventor of tech people who are like in the know are just like this is kind of a hopeless situation this dude tim wu uh who's a scholar and inventor of the term net neutrality okay he might know something
Starting point is 00:55:31 he basically says that there's no way that we can resolve like facebook was built and has been has existed to exploit our personal information to sell sell it to companies and to use it. And even if they're going to be more careful about guarding it, it's never going to be good for us. It's never like they are a business built on selling you. And he's saying that the only way to salvage this situation is for there to be a new social media, social network that is created like on the Wikipedia model or on a model where people pay like 99 cents a month. And the basis is like privacy, but connecting. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:16 We're not trying to watch your information. Like from Facebook. But, you know, none of the shit that is becoming just a huge huge problem oh look at you old motherfucker burg can't get it together i mean i don't feel bad for him you know like it's crazy because like on the call he was like i'm so bad for the third richest human being even when he has to be like i'm the only guy who could do this like bruh you you actually created a fucking monster and you don't know how to deal with it and you're still trying to act like it can be like resolved pandora's box has been blown open.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Like we, like he was saying purpose for existing. And, uh, I think that kind of applies to all social media in general. So, um, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:55 anytime you see one of these companies start to, uh, IPO or talk about, you know, what their value is, they're talking about how they're going to turn a profit using advertising. And so, I don't know, it could go in a bunch of different directions, but if it is to address the problems that we're talking about, we would have to see just a complete sea change
Starting point is 00:57:20 where social media is nothing like it is today. Yeah, because Mark, or I'm sorry, I said his name wrong, because Motherfuckerberg doesn't have all that money because everybody was mad poking each other and that's how the fucking dollars came in. No, he was packaging off all this information. He was selling you. Yeah, he was selling us out. Yep. Shouts out to all my Winkle
Starting point is 00:57:40 friends. Oh yeah, you've always been Team Winklevoss. Team Winklevoss. Yeah, I'm waiting for Team Winklevoss. Team Winklevoss. Yeah, I'm waiting for the Winklevosses to figure out I'm their triplet. Oh yeah. I'm the third Winklevoss. And they'll break you off with some cryptocurrency, huh?
Starting point is 00:57:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and my twin boys. Triplets. And I wanted to go out on a story. So Barbie apparently decided to be a little more woke and create some real life female historical figures
Starting point is 00:58:11 who you can cram into a hot pink convertible full of genital-less friends and they released it on International Women's Day and people are pointing out that so they released Amelia Earhart, Catherine Day, and people are pointing out that, so they released Amelia Earhart,
Starting point is 00:58:27 Katherine Johnson, and Frida Kahlo, and Frida's unibrow is barely visible. Wait, really? Yeah, they were like, well, let's pluck this thing. They're like, we'll give her thick eyebrows. And also light eyes, too. Why are you trying to Euro her up? It's bullshit. Yeah, up it's bullshit yeah and
Starting point is 00:58:46 it's also weird for there to be a barbie version of like a socialist like a yeah someone capitalist corporate fucking around with trotsky icon yeah version of yeah they should they should just create a trotsky yeah right her ken should be trotsky yeah because she did have an affair with him uh but now she's the face of commodified feminism. Wait, did she really? Yeah. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:59:09 I would write the hell out of that fanfic. Well, here we go. Teeny little thing. Uh-oh. All right, well, give me a day. Put Santa University
Starting point is 00:59:18 to the side. Also, Santa University was a Twitter handle that was available and I had to abstain. Well, that's good. It's better for your brand. I mean, they'll need it for the feature film.
Starting point is 00:59:26 I would probably get it. Create a new email so you can sit on that because once that takes off, you're going to want that. Because otherwise I will and then I'll be like, hey, Jamie is five grand if you want to. I hope that our friendship ends over the same. Over me finding out right now that Santa University is available and then exploiting that. Yes. But yeah, Frida Kahlo. out right now that Santa University is available and then exploiting that.
Starting point is 00:59:48 But yeah, Frida Kahlo, it's weird because the Mattel was saying like, oh, well, we talked with her family and are like the Frida Kahlo Corp based in Panama and was saying like, oh, well, we have the support of the Kahlo family. And it turns out that's not quite the case. But hey, got to, you know, got to got to sell some more dollies. Jamie, you were playing with a giant Barbie on Instagram this morning. Thank you so much for bringing it up. I do a one-woman show where a my size Barbie that I bought off Craigslist from a very sad looking dad. Oh my gosh. Wait, hold on. No, we have to know about this now. Okay. I just knew I was going to need a my size Barbie at some point. Right. And so I saw one on Craigslist
Starting point is 01:00:21 for like 20 bucks. Is that a good price price that's a good price for a used my size barbie well because but the thing is nib new in box it wasn't new in box it was lightly used like hemingway lightly used like who originally owned this right right but but the thing is they don't make them as tall anymore so i had to find an older one because they're three feet tall and the current ones are two and a half and i am performing simulated sex on this doll in my show for upwards of an hour so i needed i needed three three foot something on your level yeah it's mostly just i have the doll play my high school boyfriend and then i lose my virginity to the doll for an hour so if you want to see pictures of me and uh barbie
Starting point is 01:01:01 with a with a little sausage attached to her. Those pictures are available and on the web. Wait, so when you went to go buy this thing, it was like just a sad dad being like, I got a Barbie for sale and you showed up. Was he just sighing the whole time? He had me meet him in the parking lot of a Toys R Us, which was a wild move. It was in the valley.
Starting point is 01:01:20 I brought a friend. The one on Sherman Way? Yes. Okay. Shout out to the Sherman Way Toys R Us, RIP. And so he had us meet him there and he just, I was like, what is this story? The Barbie was also wearing a wedding dress that clearly was handmade. Like it wasn't.
Starting point is 01:01:34 Whoa. Yeah. It was not the one that she came in. It had this weird fabric. I was like, what has this man had sex with this doll? I pretty thoroughly cleaned the doll. Wow. I will say.
Starting point is 01:01:47 But I don't know. I mean, it felt like a Hemingway thing, like the baby shoes never worn. My size Barbie for sale, never worn. Never. Never simulated sex. Never kissed. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Never married. Well, all right. Jamie. Yes. As always, it's been lovely having you here. Where can people find you? never married well alright Jamie yes as always it's been lovely having you here where can people find you
Starting point is 01:02:09 you can find me on twitter.com at jamieloftishelp now is that because like almost like it's the help page
Starting point is 01:02:18 for you or you're just asking for help it's a place where you can give me help and I can give you help if I have anything to give
Starting point is 01:02:25 which I don't. But maybe someday if I do, the meaning of the help will change and it'll be like, Jamie Loftus is helpful. Nice. Miles, what about you? Sorry, what about me? What about you? Just like, what about you? Tell us about yourself.
Starting point is 01:02:41 What about Bob? Well, you can find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray you can find me at jack underscore o'brien on twitter you can find us at daily zeitgeist on twitter we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes we link off to the articles that we used as sources for today's information. Miles. Yes. What are we going to ride out on, man?
Starting point is 01:03:11 Oh, man. Well, you know, because Ryan Zinke was just, I got triggered and I was thinking Japanese people. I wanted to play this track by Can, the German band. They're like krautrock. They're just ahead of their time. They had a Japanese lead singer. The story is very interesting They needed a lead singer. They found this dude Suzuki busking in the streets and they're like, hey Do you want to play in our band? He's like, okay
Starting point is 01:03:32 He only knew like three guitar chords and just improvised all his lyrics and then they started to make us pretty good music So this song is called vitamin C by can check it out because this is a good entry point to the band Can for anybody who doesn't know. When was the song recorded? This shit was recorded in like 1970. I know. I could not believe that. You were listening to it all day and I assumed it was contemporary. It is not.
Starting point is 01:03:56 Like I like my jazz. Contemporary. Oh, wow. Very smooth. Contemporary. Very smooth. Yeah, it was released in 1972. So that's crazy to think.
Starting point is 01:04:04 I mean, it's dope. Yeah, it's really good. Cool. Well, we're released in 1972, so that's crazy to think. I mean, it's dope. Yeah, it's really good. Cool. Well, we're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you guys then. Bye. Bye.
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