The Daily Zeitgeist - The Definitive Goofy Movie Rewatch, Tiger King Overrated? 4.20.20

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

In episode 612, Jack, Miles, Jamie and Anna are joined by Yo Is This Racist's Andrew Ti for the inaugural TDZ Movie Club to discuss The Goofy Movie!FOOTNOTES: Mrs. Goof Gawrsh! Goofy’s entire family... may be dead A Goofy Movie star reflects on film 25 years later: ‘Unlike any other project I’ve worked on’ DuckTales Quietly Confirms A Goofy Movie Is Canon I Interned for Pauly Shore (and It Really Sucked) Things You Didn't Know About 'A Goofy Movie' WATCH: Mariposa De Coalcomán - Y La Bamba  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:58 Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 130, episode one of Your Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers, Fuck Fox News. And fuck Patrick. Is that the guy's name? Goofy's nemesis? What's that dude's name? Pete? No, Pete.
Starting point is 00:02:32 Oh, Pete? Pete. I was like, ooh, Patrick. Fuck Pete, man. That guy's a jerk. Fuck Pete. Elite is an asshole. We watched a Goofy movie for this episode.
Starting point is 00:02:42 That's going to be in act two. But it is Monday, April 20th, 2020. 420, buddy. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Quarantine Jack. Don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more. Quarantine Jack. Don't you come back no more.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Oh, no, sorry. It was supposed to be come back no more. Oh, no, sorry. It was supposed to be come out no more. Anyways, it was close enough. That was courtesy of Hannah Soltis. I think somebody else said that, a.k.a. earlier in the quar. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.
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Starting point is 00:03:53 listeners of my other show, 420 Day Fiance. I will be doing a live stream, a live sesh with my co-host, Sophia Alexander as we watch the new 90 Day Fiance quarantine special. I will give the details out for that at the end of the show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by our quarantine co-host, Lil Zam herself, Jamie Loftus! What I need is six foot distance Cause that's the covid bubble while we want to be free now's the time for mutual assistance because it's our best chance for class struggle that was okay i had to adjust the syllables but it works no you got it that's from at nobody with a k uh dude thank you the bolt cutters uh fetch the bolt cutters uh also aka that quar is the greatest of distance and if you know where
Starting point is 00:04:54 you stand then you will know what scabs and if wet or dry will matter because you'll know that you're zeit wow wow that's a yeah was that a idler wheel that's an idler that's an idler wheel themed joke all right well we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat uh by the hilarious and talented andrew t what's up okay okay let me see if i can get this. Andrew, the Goof T movie produced by the Diz T Corporation. Wow. Wow. You did it. Damn.
Starting point is 00:05:36 You did it. It took me too long. Very well done, Sam. Too long to get that right, but this is there. But you nailed it. Thanks. Dude, corporation. I like that. What's up, dogs? corporation i like that what's up dogs how are you what's up man oh it's great to see you you look thanks yeah you and miles both look
Starting point is 00:05:54 like you're uh like the quarantine is treating you very well i yeah i Sorry, Jamie. Thank you so much. I just meant they both... Sorry. I was just... You look great too, Jamie. Wild. This is some Asian shit. This is why we spread the virus to America so that Asian people could thrive.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Yeah, right, right. Exactly. We inherit the earth. I'm just saying you guys look like even healthier than usual in your quarantine. You're like both glowing. Well, I've committed time to my health. Prior to quarantine, I did not exercise. I did not do anything for my health.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Like literally. I mean, aside from like daily walking of my dog, a bike ride here and there. But now, baby, fucking putting these feet to the road. I don't know how i'm doing it i honestly don't know how i was uh right before like a couple months before quarantine i um realized that all i was doing at the gym was the exercise bike so i bought an exercise bike um and so actually like yeah i've i've been i've been just like working out every day which is one of the only things has it been a journey of self-discovery like the peloton commercials promised you it would
Starting point is 00:07:08 um so what i did is i got the costco budget peloton it's like it's like nice it was like i don't know i think it was like 300 bucks or something and it doesn't have any of the peloton stuff it has a holder for your ipad and then you can download their like budget app to play like video yeah okay it's really it's some it's some grim ass shit but yeah i i've been uh like playing poker and riding on the bike sometimes for hours a day riding that kirkland signeton yeah it's fucking dope um yeah but i guess so i guess but the other thing that's actually like kind of ridiculous for me is like um i i was going on hiatus from my job anyway um i think our last day our last day was March 6th. So my actual plan was to smoke weed on the couch
Starting point is 00:08:07 and watch movies every single day for a month anyway. So I have not deviated from the plan. It's just the plan. But do you have enough weed in movies for this extended hiatus? I got a weed delivery a couple weeks ago or not a couple weeks ago like a week ago and it was um harrowing a little bit i like because because i guess when you get weed in california um unlike other deliveries these days they have to like physically check your id yeah they have to like physically check your id and they had to like physically either take a debit card or so I was like, like pushing my debit card through the mail slot and like pushing my like ID.
Starting point is 00:08:52 It was just like ridiculous. It was ridiculous. Have you seen any movies that you would recommend during your quarantine? during your quarantine? Yeah, actually, I just watched a movie that I not only lied about watching in college, like for a film course, I'm pretty sure I wrote a paper on it or like it was like a comparison paper.
Starting point is 00:09:17 So I think I watched the other movie, but didn't watch Wayne Wang's Chan is Missing. And this is probably wildly irresponsible of me i i don't think it's available on any legitimate streaming service but for some reason it's up on youtube in its entirety so i watched it it's fucking great it's like kind of like a noir takes place in the 80s in san francisco um and it's like just like but it's it's kind of shot like slacker so it's just these like two like chinese goofballs walking around talking to maniacs in like in like i think early 80s san francisco it's fucking great that sounds amazing highly highly recommend i can't believe you hadn't seen it until now
Starting point is 00:10:00 all right andrew we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners what we're talking about today what we're mostly talking about uh is a goofy movie we we gave you your assignment on friday we hope you uh spent the weekend watching and re-watching a goofy movie uh we got thoughts we got takes on the goofy movie uh we also might talk about the new fiona apple album demolition man uh laura ingram's just barn burner of a of a show where she had uh all the doctors that matter on uh at the end of last week uh all that and probably some more but first andrew we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Starting point is 00:10:49 Oh, man. Okay. There's a tiny chance this has been my search history of the past. I don't remember. It's been a while since I've been on the show. But my friend started doing a Zoom blackjack game in quarantine. And I may have mentioned this before, but I am the worst type of card counter in that I kind of know how to do it, but I definitely can't do it perfectly. It's like if you fuck up when you're card counting, it's very, very bad. So I'm like right at the precipice of like sort of Mount Stupid. Like I'm overconfident, but I'm not good enough. So I was looking up like trying to refresh myself on Blackjack card counting. So that was my most recent.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Just so you could try and get an edge in your Zoom Blackjack game. Yeah, exactly. To literally cheat my friend. What are we talking here? Single deck? We'll shoot here. He got to literally cheat my friend what are we talking here single deck he got literally cheat my friends out of money yeah he has two
Starting point is 00:11:50 decks it's two decks it's not too much it's not too bad get your memory palace going yeah well here's what I will say for anyone I feel like any zeitgangers interested you don't actually need to literally remember every card. You just want to remember
Starting point is 00:12:09 whether there have been more high cards or low cards played. And when the deck is rich in high cards, it's to the player's advantage. So really you're just keeping track of every low card that you see is, let's say, minus one, and every high card tends through acc is a plus one and when that running total gets higher than plus three or so then you start increasing your bet got it no one in your blackjack game listens to this podcast right no they they know i'm they know i can count
Starting point is 00:12:39 cards but because you're like hold on hold on hold on run that back really quick the trick is in a casino it's easy to do the trick is like doing it without fucking up ever and without it being obvious that you're doing it right so yeah doing like math with your finger in the air in front of you
Starting point is 00:13:00 what's a buy in for that game it's low it's just like a couple bucks per hand. I'd take some of that action. Just let me know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think this is the time. We should just a Zoom casino.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Actually, the quasi-to-not-legal online poker site that I play on. Quasi-to-not-legal? I think it's one of those things where it's not legal for them to run it, but technically it's not illegal for you to use it. For me to use it. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:37 But do you have to put money down up front? You would, right? If it gets shut down, you could get... The risk of exposure. yes yeah the risk of exposure apparently the main risk of exposure is technically what i'm guilty of is like abetting their like massive fraud or massive illegal gambling operation um anyway i don't know it's it's very common you can you can find these sites. Finding new games in the core. But they have had a big,
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Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah, we only handle the server with gloves on. It's just like, I mean, I guess if you're a business, that's what you have to do is you have to show that you have a plan, but come on, man, the illegal online casino, give me a fucking break. I can't wait for the post-mortem
Starting point is 00:14:44 on the best, worst company response emails. There's so many fucked up ones that I've gotten from places that you're just like, I just haven't been able to get off this list yet, and now I need to know what servers you're putting a mask on? What is something you think is underrated, Andrew? Oh, yes. what is something you think is underrated Andrew oh yes so one other thing I've been doing to entertain myself um during quarantine is um not watching the actual movies so I found this um YouTube uh channel that I sort of objectively don't think is good but I've been watching a ton
Starting point is 00:15:21 of it um and it's the the the video series call is called the ending explained. And it's this guy that basically does like, if like an eight year old were to explain a movie to you, the like, and be like, and then, and then, and then version of a movie,
Starting point is 00:15:39 but for like fucked up torture, porn, horror movies. So I've, I've just been like, at times I'll just leave it on. And they're like 20 minute, fucked up torture porn horror movies. So I've just been like, at times I'll just leave it on. And they're like 20 minute, essentially like it's supposed to be analysis and there's some analysis,
Starting point is 00:15:53 but it's largely like, and then they go to the other corridor. They just tell you what happened. Yeah, it's fucking great. So like, so consider, you know, even in this time when everyone's watching movies consider not watching them just the cliff's notes version it's been weirdly enjoyable but i kind of always did that for horror movies like i don't love horror but i'm always just like
Starting point is 00:16:16 well what happened what's what's the fucking thing right yeah just get it over with yeah what's something you think is overrated i think i mean i'm guessing um this has probably been said before but i i think i'm done with documentaries especially tiger king kind of like settled it for me where i was like or or i should say docu-series i think like like in a sane world tiger king would have been an hour and a half would have been on like the festival circuit it would have been like you know like like american movie style like kind of a cult classic and you know what it's the it's this like catch-22 where i'm sure they made a billion times more money and way more exposure to this thing by putting it on Netflix and like fucking padding the shit out of it. But I,
Starting point is 00:17:08 I kind of think the best narrative version of it, I mean, Tiger King maybe had enough like, like twists and turns that there's a little bit more, but it's still like three hours of material, honestly. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Yeah. Well, I think, I think we're just like chasing the dragon with that, with this content where it's like, man, I remember we're just, like, chasing the dragon with this content where it's like, man, I remember that first week of Dragon King. And now we're, like, we're trying to find that vein again, being like, yo, it's not hitting the same.
Starting point is 00:17:34 So now we're doing, like, these really weird watered-down versions that don't matter. Like, even to your point, I feel like we've definitely – for me personally, the energy I used to get from even thinking about it is completely gone i'm like yeah i need a new thing yeah yeah yeah i didn't i didn't even finish tiger king uh andrew did you did you think that robert durst was innocent or guilty oh so yeah that's like another one where it's like it's like the best one i but it is like it's it was also too long i think it was just like let's just like fucking let's just take the full six hours to prove that he did not do it i know well but but that that one and tiger king
Starting point is 00:18:19 um and this this feels like a thing that like look maybe i'm just old but like it feels like a thing that, like, look, maybe I'm just old, but, like, it feels like partially the influence of, like, Vice News or not Vice, whatever the Vice show is where, like, the documentarians make themselves a fucking protagonist in the documentary. I fucking hate that so much. And it's like. Andrew Jarecki does it. Yes. Yes. And he looks like a Vegas magician. So it's like he's hardarecki does it yes yes and he looks like a vegas magician so it's like he's hard to look at as well yeah it's and actually part of me with tiger king feels like
Starting point is 00:18:52 you know it's a little bit of like um fucking like what is that heisenberg's uncertainty principle or whatever but i'm like yeah i can't say for definitively, but it feels like some of the events of Tiger King would not have happened if your asses were not filming them from the jump. Yeah, no, I mean, they specifically say at a certain point that Joe Exotic is playing up for the cameras like he's treating his employees worse than he would otherwise for the cameras in a situation where he already treats them like shit. Yeah. So yeah, I agree with that. I mean, it's not,
Starting point is 00:19:29 obviously he was a terrible person regardless. Yes. Yeah. Andrew, give us a new documentary to pivot to. What should people, if people need to put the tiger King shit down, what do they need to pick up?
Starting point is 00:19:41 God damn. I, I don't know. I mean, right right now the thing that you should not do is there's gonna be oh man actually one of my friends is currently like at the behest of her manager outlining like a like a cash grab quarantine rom-com and i'm just like yeah i said that was happening right now we've been talking about it. I've been arguing for the, the horrible,
Starting point is 00:20:08 um, inevitable mumble core version of that same movie that will come out. Yeah. Yeah. Masked connections. I will say this. I did go on a, um,
Starting point is 00:20:20 FaceTime hinge date, like the second week of quarantine. How'd he go? Did you wear a mask? You know what I did do is I wore a suit to love it. To sit down and FaceTime
Starting point is 00:20:33 lean into it. Candle lit FaceTime. Literally, I'll send you guys the photo I took of the setup. I'm very proud. It was one of those things where I was like,
Starting point is 00:20:44 this is like a dumb idea that made me laugh so hard while I thought of it. I was like, I guess I just have to do this. And if she's not down, that's on her. And she's not the one. It really is. I was like, this is just maximum Andrew, so I might as well just come in hot.
Starting point is 00:21:02 What do you feel like of the quality of communication for something like that because I'm I've you know I'm really curious if it feels like it's the same thing like what what what do you get is it nourishing to go on a like blind FaceTime date from an app like what's let us into that world man yeah yeah yeah so the the thing that i found because it was also during like the second week or it was like day eight or something right um so it was like very early like no one was used to it and the thing that struck me that was really i thought interesting was that up until then the only people i'd facetimed with were like like in the before times a facetime would be like kind of like a weird. Sometimes people, I think, have done FaceTime dates, but it's like kind of impersonal and like it wasn't thing.
Starting point is 00:21:51 But like that was one week into if you FaceTime someone, they were like your absolute loved ones, friends, family, your closest, closest people, or at least it was for me. friends family your closest closest people or at least it was for me so like then taking that mode and putting a stranger into it was fucking weird right and it felt like super weird change of pace yeah yeah so it it like artificially created this sense of intimacy that i don't know has continued and like we've since you know as we've been talking through the rest of this, it's like, look, we either really like each other or we had too many scrambled like signals at the top that were just like, this is someone I love and depend on. And like, oh, that's amazing, though, that it's continued on. That's very cool. Yeah. So like so far, it's good.
Starting point is 00:22:42 So far, it's good. Basically, I think the thing that we've kind of loosely been saying is if after this is over, it turns out we don't like each other, no hard feelings. That's nobody's fault. For now, it feels like we really like each other, but who the fuck knows? Could be a trauma bond.
Starting point is 00:23:03 You never know. Exactly. Exactly. It is. It definitively is. other but who the fuck knows could be a trauma bond you never know exactly exactly yeah i mean it is it's definitively is but yeah but so that was really interesting but uh so who knows who knows where that goes but yeah that was that was interesting um so you're saying instead of watching docu-series uh fall in love in love is your recommendation to the people. Really great answer to that question. Okay, okay. Underrated falling in love.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Tell yourself you're falling in love and don't have any frame of reference to know whether you're not. Fall madly in love with the first person who shows you any kindness. Is that Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off? No, it's sort of a modification of Jim Carrey from Eternal Sunshine when he says, I do my fall in love with the first woman who shows me any kind of attention. It's like, oh, man. In there, dude.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Yeah. But yeah. So that's, yeah. So that is, I guess that is my docu-series you know what on some of most of this has been maximum andrew for a title too yeah yeah maximum andrew is the title of your docu-series and i mean like like these docu-series you know there's the heisenberg principle of like you know you can't help but uh adjust who you are and like the maximum andrew that you're bringing uh based on like the fact that you're in front of the camera you know and then in the last episode there's a like a moment in an interview
Starting point is 00:24:37 with you where you say the title of the show and everyone's like oh i think i really have become the maximum i mean ideally i die of covid in the last episode you know anything can happen there also needs to be like a uh mystery subtext where it's unclear if you killed your ex-wife in the past. Yep. Yeah. So a lot of, a lot of dead bodies, a lot of dead bodies,
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Starting point is 00:29:38 before we started recording that I think we were both a little bit too old for this movie to have, like I think I was 15 a little bit too old for this movie to like I think I was 15 or 14 when it came out yeah same so I was at the exact age that I would specifically avoid a kids
Starting point is 00:29:56 movie yeah even though it was about my life I think I think that's the same same for me I was like yeah this is like i i know i'd known it's been like a cult classic for probably a couple years now but uh yeah never never thought to really like crack it open and uh yeah it definitely was you know it's a kids movie from my perspective but right and it has that classic thing I think of like who am I supposed to relate to
Starting point is 00:30:31 when I watch this now but we'll get into that we'll get next bro yeah I guess all right my miles and Jamie you guys had seen it before no oh really oh really I was you had seen it I'm kind of Oh, really? Oh, really? Was I the only person that had seen it? I'm kind of in the same boat where,
Starting point is 00:30:48 see, it's different. I'm a little bit younger than you, Jack, but at the time I was 11, but I was like the shittiest kind of 11-year-old who was like, like Pulp Fiction was out that year, and I'm like, I'm watching that, dude. I'm watching Clerks.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Yeah, yeah. No, that's kind of... That's fair. That was sort of my vibe as an... Because I think also growing up in LA, you have the added layer of being really close to movies. So it's like, no, dude, my palate is beyond Disney shit anymore. So for a lot of those reasons,
Starting point is 00:31:20 I just rejected a lot of things that were made for probably people my age at the time. So, um, yeah, you weren't like the other 11 year olds is what you're saying. I, well,
Starting point is 00:31:31 nah, dude, I was just fucking, you know, it's trippy, dude. Uh, my parents were neglecting me by letting me watch that shit.
Starting point is 00:31:37 But I think, yeah, I just, at the time I wasn't interested, but I always knew other people liked it. And when Danny came on, Danny Fernandez came on like a few years ago, like one of her first appearances, really talking about how like big this as a film it was to her. I was kind of like, huh, OK. And now I watch it like like you say, Andrew, like, yeah, it's a kid's movie, but I can see what kids would feel back then in 95 or whenever you watched it.
Starting point is 00:32:06 But yeah, sure. It's got its... I have questions. I've been watching nothing but kids movies. So by the way, I will never forgive Zeitgang for making the first movie of our movie club a G-rated movie since that's all I've been able to watch this whole fucking quarantine. I remember, though, the last episode, you're like, oh, great. I can watch it with my kids. Cut to today. And you're like oh great i can watch it with my kids cut to today and you're like man fuck y'all i've been watching
Starting point is 00:32:29 these guys you assholes uh jamie you had seen it before i'd seen it before i was a baby when it came out so i didn't see it in theaters but i saw it later sorry guys i was two years old when this movie came out but uh but i have seen it a bunch of times i think i've seen an extremely goofy movie more and that's the one where max goes to college and goofy comes with him because every time i've like start like i when i watched arrested development season four you're just like oh they're just doing an extremely goofy movie what a weird choice when like michael goes to college with george michael that's literally the plot of an extremely goofy movie but whatever not calling anyone else but but it seems like you know maybe they just plagiarized an extremely goofy movie uh but yeah no this is a this is a good book it does
Starting point is 00:33:21 follow with my theory that all movies are about fathers and sons. And so this movie wasn't necessarily... But I like it a lot. I have a lot of thoughts about it. Definitely from an era when all movies are about fathers and sons because they were all written by
Starting point is 00:33:39 teams of all dudes including this movie which was written by three men, one of whose name was Jim, spelled J-Y-M-M. So shout out to him. And we're also going to be bringing in to comment on this movie, one of our experts, one of our Goofy movie experts on our network, super producer Anna Hosnier.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Woo! Yeah, I'm here with Goofy, actually. Yay! Wow. What is she? She is with Goofy. Goofy is my absolute favorite character in the Disneyverse. As you can see, it still has its tags on it
Starting point is 00:34:17 from when I bought it at Disneyland at seven years old. That's so cute. Dead stock, NWT. Yeah, and he's in primo condition i've had him my whole life and i don't let anyone touch him wow goofy movie is the movie that defined my childhood i had issues with my father i also felt like i was never cool enough and was trying too hard to um you know, attract people into my friend groups. I also think it's probably one of the most layered,
Starting point is 00:34:50 intricate, like dark, dramatic films while like surrounded by the idea that it's a Disney film, but touching on so many different levels of emotions and anger and relationships and feelings and like what it is to be a single father with this son that you don't understand and there's no mother figure which is deeply unexplained as to how max even came about i did some very the research it the deeper you dig though it gets so fucked up it's yeah yeah max's mother is presumably a human woman that fucked that's what my research revealed this is well it's tough because we never see her face but it seems
Starting point is 00:35:35 like that was uh we never saw her face human body but she has a human body but so do a lot of the animals in these movies. And she, like, Roxanne is basically a human with a dog nose. Well, that's one of the things that drives me up a wall about this era of animation. I think, like, it's not bad in a goofy movie, but there's so, like, for any time there's only men on an animated project, the female characters basically just look like women and the male characters can look like cartoons. But Roxanne looks like a 14-year-old girl with a dog nose. She doesn't look like she has no dog features by design because she's supposed to make boys horny.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Right, yeah. So all the female characters. the female character on a little yeah i mean they're i mean a lot of these like i sometimes forget that goofy is supposed to be a dog but he looks like a cartoon you know like the the girls in this movie do not look like cartoons he looks like shit in the first musical number there was a a map come out one of the characters had the wild cleavage. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Yeah. Big natural. Big natural dog titties. Yeah. Those backup dancers. This movie, let's just go from the top because this
Starting point is 00:36:55 I was unprepared for this G-rated movie to open with a wet dream. Right. It turns into like a psychedelic body horror nightmare but the movie just throughout is extremely horny like his main uh motivation is horniness there's like a part where like the valedictorian gives a speech or the class president gives a speech to the class
Starting point is 00:37:20 and people are like yeah give it to me like everyone's just like so it's so it's high school y'all it is high school i'm not yeah yeah i'm not it's realistic and also this i was uncomfortably and one of the prematurely very uh yeah i did too yeah one of one of the notes i wrote down was that 90% of the female characters are basically just fly girls. They're exactly dressed like fly girls. It's unbelievable. I mean, this is really a true snapshot of a period of time
Starting point is 00:37:57 because you also get one of the characters who I was like, wait, they're really ripping off Pauly Shore, but it is Pauly Shore. He's introduced drinking from a water fountain with a straw, which is cool, I guess. Great joke. And he says, major slurpage. I was like, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Great joke. I guess I was reading. I don't know if this is like beautiful or or just weird but the director of a goofy movie is so like into being the director of a goofy movie that his twitter handle is at goofy movie der um and mostly what he could be found tweeting kevin lima mostly what you can he could be found tweeting is behind the scenes facts about a goofy movie. Wait, like to this day? Yeah, like, oh, last week.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Because I guess that Disney, like the Disney Plus Twitter account was like, we're doing a live watch of a goofy movie. And then the director was just like, here's what fucking happened. And like, just really. Here's what they don't want you to know. The titties were bigger. He should be proud, but he's too proud. But I guess that Pauly Shore, because Pauly Shore is not credited at the end of the movie.
Starting point is 00:39:12 And I was like, wait, that was Pauly Shore though, right? And I guess Pauly Shore really wanted the part, but then asked to not be credited, which is like, I don't understand. Just for the love. Just for the love of the game. He didn't need to. You just know it's him.
Starting point is 00:39:27 And he also never saw a goofy movie, even though he was a major part of it. That's sick. That was something that his intern revealed, is that he never saw it. Kevin Lima also directed one of my other favorite Disney movies, Enchanted. Oh, really? Yeah, he directed Enchanted. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:39:46 Yeah, he directed Enchanted. That's amazing that he is like- Tarzan, 102 Dalmatians. That's amazing that Goofy Movie holds such sway over his career that he's Goofy Movie der. He's not Enchanted der. He's not Tarzan der. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:40:04 That fucking rules. I feel like you're not hearing me when I tell you goofy movie is canon. I love the strength of Pauly Shore's brand though. Back then, like back to your point about cat encapsulating nineties culture, because you know, they basically co-opted like, what was he called? Weasel like wheeze and fucking Encino man or weasel.
Starting point is 00:40:30 That whole character from encino man they're just like get that and put that in this movie because that whole thing is like he's whizzing the juice you know he's like stop whizzing because he was drinking the slushies weasel miles excuse me sir to be encino man is that poly short yeah exactly yeah okay it feels like in the 90s like film film course or screenwriting uh courses were like okay you need a regular guy a chubby friend and a polly shore and then put them in a car and go and like that's what that's how a movie works and you'll make 30 million dollars minimum there there's also the score is so good too the carter burwell score in this movie rules i didn't remember any of the uh songs in this movie all the songs are i don't know the songs didn't hit for me as hard as they used to because it's like this could be in any movie really
Starting point is 00:41:18 yeah carter burwell's great music that's what's interesting to me that caught my attention about the film was just like to your point there you can look at this film so many ways and there are a lot of things that even resonated me as like one of the few like black kids in my school where i was constantly thought of as like being called like a gang member or whatever like just picking on like my haircut or whatever from the deans and shit so like his whole arc even there was a moment i just remember in uh seventh grade when the west side connection album came out i was throwing up west side in a class photo and my teacher stopped the whole fucking class to like
Starting point is 00:41:58 pull up the class photo and be like guys we had a really nice class photo but some gang people want to bring gang signs into our photos and she tore the fucking photo up in front of us and like threw it on my desk and like traumatized and there were white kids there were white kids throwing that shit up too but i just remember and i was like you know what and when i saw when max did his thing doing his power line shit uh and the fucking principal just went off and just told his dad oh you know he's gonna be a fucking gang member in the electric chair i was like whoa also though the main reason i bring this up though is because there was there's themes of i think just that experience and i think that's that can be interpreted any number of ways i think based
Starting point is 00:42:38 on your individual experience but power line being played by Tevin Campbell was also one of the most mind-blowing things for me. And I was like, I love Tevin. It was supposed to be Bobby Brown. Yeah, it was supposed to be Bobby Brown. But because of his drug problems, he failed out. Tevin kills it. I got more Michael Jackson, MC Hammer, Bobby Brown vibes from him than Tevin Campbell. He's based off Michael Jackson and Prince,
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Starting point is 00:43:19 a, a, a, a, a, a, a was one of my favorite people back then. I had a signed Tevin Campbell cassette tape in 1991. Can I also say that Powerline's outfit is based off Devo? They're like yellow jumpsuits.
Starting point is 00:43:32 That makes sense. Also, he has an impossible body type, Powerline. I've never seen. What's going on? But it's still hot. Talk about unrealistic standards. Those fucking solid Oakleys that various characters wear are dope as hell yeah they're very yeah they really are they need to i need a pair now i i had a question are those goofy gloves genetic it felt
Starting point is 00:44:00 like i was wondering that too i was like well that's a weird thing because that comes from like minstrel shows right yeah and that's where like mickey mouse got his from is that like mickey mouse was had a lot of design elements that were taken from minstrelry and then a lot of the early disney characters uh also had that same thing. But it's so weird. Yeah, I noticed at one point that he has baggy 90s clothes. He dressed exactly like I dressed at that age. And then the white gloves.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Well, the scene where he accidentally touches Roxanne's hands and I realized she didn't have gloves on. Because at first I was like, okay, it's maybe just part of the dog body. And then I was like, okay, I guess it's part of the goofy family body. It kind of fucked me up when they took
Starting point is 00:44:58 their shoes and socks off. I was like, what? Oh, I hated when you saw his feet. His toes. I didn't so horrible that i thought about that a lot last night yeah i really i like paused it for a second to be like what the fuck is what are we doing right now there's a few like world building like of this that i i was just like because goofy knows that walt exists. He name checks. They both know who Walt Disney is.
Starting point is 00:45:27 But who is Walt Disney in relation to them in this world where they live in Ohio? Is he their god? Yeah. Or is he his boss? I don't know. He's got a key chain. So it's like Disney. It's not just like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:38 I don't get it. But they live in Ohio. So is it religion? Yeah. He's like their L. Ron Hubbard. Yeah. Or is he their Xenu? Yeah. He's like their L. Ron Hubbard. Yeah. Or is he their Xenu?
Starting point is 00:45:48 Yeah. Maybe he's their Xenu. The other thing. This is a world where Goofy and his son live in Ohio because that's where it says they start on the map. And that Walt Disney movies exist. Oh, that's where they live? I thought they lived near like Massachusetts. No, massachusetts no columbus starts in the middle but also like he has like a disney or a mickey mouse phone in the beginning like imagine you had a phone that was a sculpture of your dad's friend
Starting point is 00:46:18 i don't have to imagine but yeah Mickey's hitchhiking in the movie. So you're like, is Mickey not rich in this movie? Because he's hitchhiking. Mickey Mouse is also at the Powerline concert. He's in the crowd. Oh my God. That motherfucker was at the Powerline show? He was hitchhiking to get to the concert.
Starting point is 00:46:38 So he's not even a celebrity. He just like gives out phones that are shaped like him to his friends but then Walt Disney is like his it's weird there's also like some weird like punching down with like other amusement parks like they have to like create a straw man amusement park that's
Starting point is 00:46:58 like a based on a shittier rodent I couldn't tell if they were like making fun of themselves like old timey Disneyland or if they were just like shitting on a very specific place rodent. I couldn't tell if they were making fun of themselves like old-timey Disneyland or if they were just shitting on a very specific place that we don't know about. Did anyone... Okay, I felt a real... Some type of way
Starting point is 00:47:13 in the after... Okay, I have to go back to the Powerline performance when he snuck one on the entire school. First thing I call out, I love the suspension of disbelief. This motherfucker pretended he was Powerline the whole show, and it wasn't until his glasses came off that they're like, it's fucking Max, man. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:47:30 That's a classic trope in Disney where Cinderella was so disguised wearing a dress. A dress, yeah. I feel like that concert's a perfect metaphor for drugs and alcohol because it's the thing that he does that like makes everyone be like all right i guess he's cool which is like in high school like the thing you do like what was his fucking plan like the plan was just like to live to have to stunt to fuck that girl as power line it felt like he wasn't thinking that far oh right because like
Starting point is 00:48:06 if the plan went fully off he would have been power line and she would have been like oh my god power line he would like yeah come to the bus the tour bus like what was the plan hey come on baby there's also that's what i mean that's this level i'm i i enjoyed having to suspend my disbelief to that degree which was kind of uh fun about it but when he got in trouble that sort of fucking rant that the principal goes on when he's saying that he's like a gang member who will cause riots and steal things like the references to the 92 riots because this came out in 95 which probably meant the script was written in 93 maybe even in 92 yeah based on the time for it so i'm like who
Starting point is 00:48:51 the fuck like what it i was like yo what the fuck is that part especially like but that was real that's real man like i like just wearing cross colors clothes and carl can i in ohio at that time people like i i remember my Spanish teacher, like I got even better grades in seventh grade, but my Spanish teacher was like, you're turning into a punk, kid. You're like, you're going down the wrong path. Like people really couldn't handle
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Starting point is 00:53:36 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. I have another fun fact from at goofy movie der please yeah let's hear it so there's uh uh i guess that okay he says in an early version of the story max had an opponent for roxanne's affection a dog named chad oh fuck what oh yeah and i guess in the original draft of the movie he was voiced by joey lawrence which would have been perfect 1995 shit but yeah there was he was max was literally going to be up against a chad so i felt like max's uh character and relationship to roxanne felt a little incel-ish because he has no redeeming qualities other than that he's very nervous around her
Starting point is 00:54:31 and doesn't know how to talk. He gets really tongue-tied. And that makes her want to date him, which seems very in line with incel's expectations for women just loving them because because because they want them to
Starting point is 00:54:52 yeah if we were doing a Bechdel cast on this that'd come up I'm just like we don't know anything about Roxanne outside of she has a dad and she like ends up liking Max for question mark reason
Starting point is 00:55:07 because he's shy. Her household gave off very dark vibes. I know. I know. The Chad opponent was interesting and I also just was reading through the IMDB trivia that PJ was actually going to be a frog called Pepe
Starting point is 00:55:23 and was going to be a frog called Pepe. It was going to be Max. Wow. Oh, my God. Yeah, I think, I mean, they're- Thank you, Goofy Movie Durr. We really dodged a bullet with that one. I'm going to follow Goofy Movie Durr. Let's see if we get a follow back.
Starting point is 00:55:39 But to a point that I think one of you guys raised earlier, Goofy is such a klutz that he drives like a criminally negligent drunk person and kills two highway workers and then is just constantly accidentally killing people, which led me to believe that's what happened to his wife because he keeps killing people and just moving on. Papering it over. I like that Goofy is kind of like, I mean, first of all, the fact that this world is like,
Starting point is 00:56:12 okay, this is where we're gonna tackle single fatherhood. You're like, all right, let's see what happens. I think that's cool, but it's like, Goofy's like an okay dad. He's doing all right. And at the end, he's like, I accept that I'm only doing okay. You kind of hate him at first. I feel like his journey is similar,
Starting point is 00:56:32 or our journey is similar to Max's in that at first you're just like, man, fuck this guy. Leave me alone. Let Max do what he wants. And then by the end, you're kind of endeared by just what a complete fuck up of a dad he is.
Starting point is 00:56:47 I looked at it like such an angry kid that the second, that scene where he was like, we're going on a fishing trip, bro. I had so much anxiety because it's like, no dude, he's about to fucking go watch the fucking party with Roxanne, you dick. Let him fucking have this. It's not about you, goofy.
Starting point is 00:57:06 I was so pissed off about it. It didn't matter. The actual plot points of the script that were supposed to be part of the redemption arc completely went past me because I was still hanging on to my anger from him denying him going to the party. I kind of felt on this viewing, I felt closer to like, I kind of felt, on this viewing,
Starting point is 00:57:25 I felt closer to like, I love Max, but I was like, Max, you fucking ungrateful little kid. Your father brings you on a vacation for two weeks. He brings you to baseball games. He brings you to amusement parks,
Starting point is 00:57:39 and that's not fucking enough for you. There's a lot of dogs that don't get those opportunities, Max. You should enjoy your vacation. I was a real parent parts of that vacation that was a great vacation they went yeah and i should do whatever the fuck you wanted the whole vacation this is a good vacation they're in miami for a second else what that was the part where they're like paragliding in miami somehow is fucking great but it yeah, how much money do they have? It's also like, because nominally he's doing it as sort of a punishment.
Starting point is 00:58:12 You know, he's like trying to get Max. Like, just be like, you're in fucking trouble. We're going on this fishing trip. No, fuck you. Yeah. He has no backbone. But then in the middle, he's just like, all right. He's like one of those dads who wants everybody to like him.
Starting point is 00:58:23 You have to think, I mean, given the information that we are, that Goofy is a single father who works at a JCPenney photo studio, they could not afford that vacation. And Goofy is in a lot of debt. A lot of debt. Yeah, Max can't go to. How do they pay for college in an extremely goofy movie? I wonder if it's explained.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Because it seems like Goofy just dug himself a hole. That's why he has to pivot to show business, unfortunately. Well, fortunately for Goofy, the department store photography business is about to explode. So he's probably going to do really well in that world. Can I give you some info? Apparently he works at Kmart. So that's a weird thing going on.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Wait, canonically Kmart? Yeah, he works at Kmart. that's a weird thing going on canonically kmart yeah he works at so the kresge's are behind his lack of upward mobility yes and yeah he's just a studio photographer which he works under pete who's pj's uh and pj stands for peter's dead so yeah also i don't understand how like pete is a one percenter with his, like, whole layout of his travel gear. Right. Right. Oh, I mean, you haven't seen his credit card debt. Well, I was going to say, like, what does Pete do?
Starting point is 00:59:36 He owns that studio or something. Yeah, he's only, like, an assistant manager. I'm like, how much money were those places? I mean, those places were probably making fucking bank in 95, but not like camper, like 1%er camper bank. That was like a Betsy DeVos RV. Yeah. So many Michigan references with the Kresge's and Betsy DeVos.
Starting point is 01:00:00 Sorry. There was one moment where I think it's Pete calls him Mr. Goof or someone calls him Mr. Is his name fucking Goofy Goof? Yes. Yes, it is. Yeah. Oh, my God. I am Goofy Goof.
Starting point is 01:00:14 This is my son, Max Goof. Max Goof. But also, our writer, JM, wrote how his wife died. Did you see that? No. Yeah. So this was written into the pages of one of the scripts for Goof Troop, but was never included as a line of dialogue.
Starting point is 01:00:36 It was just like, here's some background on the character. Max Goof's mom died when she was at the Grand Canyon with Goofy. And he was like, here, hun, I'm going to take a picture of you. Okay, back up a little bit. Back up a little bit more. And then the last thing he ever heard was her scream as she fell into the Grand Canyon.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Oh, my God. What? So that adds a whole new level of just like darkness. Right. I mean, it's murder. I like that they go for it. It's murder. I like that they just go for the full cartoon tragedy it's holy shit
Starting point is 01:01:09 it's femicide there yeah it feels a little bit like if she's human it does feel a little bit like goofy is too dumb to realize that she operates on different physics than him as a cartoon and just killed her because that would have been fine for a cartoon, not for the human.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Yeah. Do you think, though, that Goofy has any trauma that he carries with him or he deals in a very specific spectrum of emotions where that's why he can just laugh off like, My love fell to her death goofy seems to like reference some like daddy like issues that he has like also implied that goofy's father has died because like when they're trapped in the car on the bigfoot night he's like yeah i used to do this shit with my dad, meant a lot. And then you're like, what happened to your dad? What if it was the same thing that happened to his wife? They lived in a car.
Starting point is 01:02:09 What if this is his curse? Everyone he loves falls off a cliff. So the Bigfoot segment comes at the midpoint of the movie, which the midpoint is supposed to be the point at which the stakes get heightened and the game changes into something that's a little more heightened. My reading is that they died.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Bigfoot kills them or they were squashed by the RV. Like the givers? Max dies and everything that happens from this point forward in his death
Starting point is 01:02:40 is just his death hallucination because it totally loses its tether to reality and becomes like total dream logic. Like they're fishing, Bigfoot arrives, and then overall the rhythm becomes huge and tractable problem happens and then just dissolves into the next scene. Like Bigfoot is going to kill them.
Starting point is 01:03:01 It's like Cujo. They can't get out of the car and then they just like dissolve to them eating It's like Cujo. They can't get out of the car and then they just like dissolve to them eating at a roadside diner. Where, it looks like those nuns that they see on the highway
Starting point is 01:03:12 are also like following them the whole movie and that's never really addressed because those nuns are behind them at the diner. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:20 They're in the background of every scene. Oh, but, so what Jack's saying is they're emissaries from God to usher them into the afterlife. Just ushering them into the afterlife. Right, right. I like that read.
Starting point is 01:03:32 I guess, yeah, just to sort of create a Pavlovian response of seeing them in moments that are like uplifting or give you hope. Like if it's a musical number, they escape the Bigfoot thing. So now we see them as a comfort yeah interesting my guessing is that they died when pete drove over them in his rv because that that comes right before the bigfoot hallucination and then it comes like their whole journey in their car on a river like their car is in a river in the grand canyon something that like clearly would have killed them again for like the fifth time and then dissolved to they're just like in
Starting point is 01:04:14 the band's instrument cases like there's no explanation he's just like well i guess we got to get you up there man and then boom they're sneaking into the power line concert was amazingly smooth that i i was like yeah that's very very surely surely there'll be some something that happens here some kind of conflict nope they're just in no just straight on stage as they sneak into the concert yet another timeless death of a wage worker just doing their job the security guard at the venue uh who is finds max trespassing uh at a concert yeah uh could possibly injure himself at this uh at this venue chasing him through the rafters eventually he he smashes into a jumbotron screen, presumably dies,
Starting point is 01:05:05 and then we move into a dance number. But that dance number is pretty tight. Oh, it's amazing. When he crashes into the Jumbotron, people in the audience just cheer. No one is remotely like, oh no. This is dope. They're like, this is amazing.
Starting point is 01:05:22 I mean, again, maybe a metaphor for our times where, yeah, ironically, these people were cheering on the deaths of our peers for entertainment or something you know huh i did i did feel i thought there was going to be some discussion with somebody that related back to a theme like in terms of talking a power line or talking to the security guard like hey right this is yeah this is for my kid i always wanted or like oh i'm in love and i gotta do this or something i just thought there's gonna be something and it just wasn't there also the more i was thinking about it i was like what are the economics of broadcasting your touring show on tv yeah well
Starting point is 01:06:03 i mean it must have been a finale. It must have been on the run tour. Yeah, like a pay-per-view. This probably would have been peak pay-per-view shit too, which is why they were only watching it at one kid's house. One kid had $10. No, one kid either had a parent
Starting point is 01:06:20 who had the black box or one kid you knew was rich because their parents bought pay-per-view. I mean, she was the class president. They watched it at the class president's house. She probably had cash. I loved the class president.
Starting point is 01:06:35 I loved the class president and I loved the weird girl as a sidekick to hot girl as a 14 year old visibility. Class president girl with braces. I was like, okay, there I feel seen. With the blossom
Starting point is 01:06:52 hat. Yeah. Blossom, yeah. She was Blossom. Oh yeah, she was. When Goofy hashtag me too's the background singer by going into her dressing room when she was undressing and then it's just like, does this whole I'm attracted to you thing? That was really inappropriate,
Starting point is 01:07:09 and he shouldn't have stayed in there. Was that the same woman? Oh, he stayed? I thought he left. No, you would never see him leave, but then all of a sudden he's on stage. I don't know. I didn't feel good about that.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I didn't like how Goofy was in there showing eyes at her while she was getting dressed. And at Goofy Movie Durr confirmed that that backup singer is the same woman that you see in a car earlier in the movie with a tiny dog in front. So canonically, same woman. So Goofy's been kind of arguably stalking her. Interesting. Canceled. Well, guys, I think we solved the Goofy's been kind of arguably stalking her. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Canceled. Well, guys, I think we solved the Goofy movie. I just have one last question, ultimately. With all the things you're saying, Anna, you said you've seen Goofy show characteristics that you don't really find all that pleasant. We've all had our criticisms. Do you think Go think goofy should have even
Starting point is 01:08:05 had custody of max um just given everything we've thought of like the mother falling to her death the all the other things around this uh you know i'm just curious how you feel about that i think goofy lives in a world with white male privilege in a way um he can kind of do whatever he wants he can have children um he could murder people and kind of just live like coast through no big deal everyone's just like i don't know man promote him put him on stage let him live a life and it's a very uh interesting world where when i see it i was like oh well he's a man so he can do whatever he wants honestly well i just remembered one dark thing from that, quote unquote, wooden animatronic opossum show. Jug band?
Starting point is 01:08:53 Yeah. There was a lyric where one of the opossums said, don't you want to be hanging from a tree? And I was like, what the fuck is this shit i mean i get that the way they were like posed as them with their tails wrapped around a branch like hanging but just right because i i kept the subtitles on just to kind of absorb as much of like everything that's going and when i saw it was like okay southern possum chucky cheese with the lynching themes oh and i mean when you look at the fact that Mickey Mouse's background is so
Starting point is 01:09:28 tied into minstrel shows, that's pretty dark. When they went to that theme park, I did write down a note, is this turning into Deliverance? Because it felt like that was where it was going. The toothless child was maybe supposed to be coded
Starting point is 01:09:44 for also an adult. I was like, what? They're going in with this whole fucking situation at the awesome part. I wish that they would build out these kind of complicated canons for Daisy. I would love a full-on Daisy Duck movie where she's a shitty mom and she's got a daughter and she's
Starting point is 01:10:06 and like that would be that would be fun i like that goofy's got this like deep very 90s like socioeconomically complicated canon yeah good shit i do think this is uh the most 90s movie i've ever seen both with what anna was talking about with the like white male like just just not even thinking about any of the consequences of his action and then just like the stakes of him like wanting to impress a girl by lying that his dad knows like michael jackson is just like so... It's such a 90s TV plot. That would be impressive to people who work in the film industry, but nobody... I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:56 People don't care that your dad was in a band with Michael Jackson. Kids in high school aren't like, whoa, you must be cool. They're like like fuck you that's like another like I mean every like teen movie of the 90s features the like male romantic lead
Starting point is 01:11:13 lying to the object of his affections saying I'm sorry kind of at the end maybe and then being immediately forgiven and then she's his wife yeah yeah he's so bad at communicating it's unbelievable. Actually everyone in the Goof family
Starting point is 01:11:29 cannot communicate. It's hard to watch. Right. And when you realize that Goofy's inability to communicate to his wife clearly ended her life, This is not
Starting point is 01:11:46 a good precedent. Also, did anybody else for a split second when Goofy explodes at the end and it's just his boots standing there think that he had blown up and it was just like
Starting point is 01:12:01 everything from his shins up had been disintegrated. I was like, holy shit. That was the point. I was like, wow. What a fucked up summer for this kid. Yeah. One fucked up
Starting point is 01:12:18 summer. It's like June 18th and your dad has been reduced to shins and shoes. Right, right. I mean, how different would an extremely goofy movie be if Goofy had exploded at the end of the first movie? I just want to say there's a lot of instances where we're not sure if these characters can actually die because he drives so recklessly. The car can mold and fit under any sort of obstacle um but then at the same time they're worried about them falling off a uh waterfall and it's like
Starting point is 01:12:57 you'll be okay well you guys have proven that you don't die you can't like any disney movie the mother can always die one way or another. They'll find a way to kill. But yeah, I didn't even think of that. But if you're a man. The spectro is pretty low. Yeah, you're pretty invisible. This movie made me realize that we're floating on something about to go over a waterfall
Starting point is 01:13:22 was like the quicksand of 90s movies. Like every 90s movie had that. I feel like I saw so many shitty comedies where that was like the end. What was the movie where there was like a hot air balloon? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, people loved that motif in the 90s. Should we just pivot this movie club
Starting point is 01:13:43 to only films that have that water fall scene in it? Just to maybe see if there's something thematically we're seeing no matter what. If you have a wait, we're going to go off the water fall scene. It's all written by the same guy. Rename the series Do Go Chasing Waterfalls. Right, exactly. I just love that this movie has a Carter Burwell score. That's so fucking weird.
Starting point is 01:14:09 Carter Burwell has scored every Coen Brothers movie ever. He doesn't usually do kids' movies. He did Anomalisa. He did... And then this is just... I thought you said he didn't do kids' movies. Isn't that a cartoon movie? Oh, have you showed that to your kids?
Starting point is 01:14:30 Let my kids watch I just turned it on and left the room I didn't stick around, yeah But it's like, well he did Wayne's World too But like, he does do a lot of Fun movies And he did so good I mean, he did famously do joe's apartment from 1996 which is about the fucking roaches that had famously they were running the apartment i gotta get well
Starting point is 01:14:55 guys this has been a i think this has been a hugely successful first edition of uh daily zeitgeist movie club oh yeah it's been a pleasure talking goofy movie with you. Andrew, it's been a pleasure, as always, just having you as a guest on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you? Just Andrew T on social media. Last name is spelled T-I. I'm not doing anything fun these days, so enjoy it. Is there a tweet or some other act of social media you've been enjoying?
Starting point is 01:15:27 Yeah. This is from Mike Hanford. And it just said, someone should dress up as Joe Exotic for Halloween this year. It's just like, we're all so fucking predictable and sad. But do it. Such a good idea. Oh my it. Such a good idea. Oh my God, such a good idea. But people are going to do that and then get so much credit for doing that.
Starting point is 01:15:52 People are going to be like, oh, nice, dude. That's awesome. The bar is just through the bottom of the ground, whatever that's called. It's just whatever. Jamie, where can people find you and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can follow me on twitter.com at Jamie Loftus Help or Instagram at Jamie Christ Superstar.
Starting point is 01:16:13 And the tweet I'll call out today is from Megan Keister at Born Feral. And it says, Fiona Apple dropping this damn album in the middle of choir is like getting a $1.2 million emotional stimulus check. Yeah. Album is very good. That's your homework for this Monday evening.
Starting point is 01:16:35 If you haven't listened to it yet, listen to it and we'll talk about it on tomorrow's episode. Anna, where can people find you? Follow you. At Anna Hosny on Twitter and I do have a tweet that really, really got me good. It's at Noah Garfinkel, and he tweeted,
Starting point is 01:16:50 I'm a messy bitch who lives for the diarrhea. Miles, where can people find you and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, man. Before we do that, I want to let people know we do have a new piece of merchandise in our team public store uh charity design to go to feed america to keep these food banks uh you know stocked up for anybody in need um and the shoot the t-shirt design it's a pro social distancing club shirt uh you know it's we
Starting point is 01:17:22 do parody designs it's like the anti-social social club thing actually don't say that they'll sue us uh you know as a pro social distancing club it's a parody design get yours now all the profits go directly to feeding america uh so yeah check that out we want to try and raise as much money we'll have new designs going on and on through the core to raise as much money as possible. Some stuff that I like. Okay, oh, you can find me Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey, and my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance is 420. And also, if you want to tune in tonight
Starting point is 01:17:56 at 6 p.m. Pacific, 9 p.m. Eastern, we will be doing the 420 Day Fiance live stream, smoke-tacular live sesh, watching the 90 Day Fiance quarantine special. Sophia Alexander and I will be on Twitch. Go to twitch.tv slash 420 Day Fiance. That's twitch.tv slash 420 Day Fiance to check out the live streamage. Some tweets that I like. to check out the live streamage.
Starting point is 01:18:24 Some tweets that I like. One is from just Reese Waters, but it's just a video of a baggage claim, and it says, who flew with crabs? And it's all these motherfucking crabs going wild on a baggage carousel. It's unbelievable visual, and I don't know why we need this.
Starting point is 01:18:44 Another one is from, it was an interaction basically between Adam Shorn, who's I guess the resident fashion person at the LA Times, and this woman, Andy Zeisler, who responded. So this man, Adam Shorn, wrote an op-ed that just said, enough with the work-from-home sweatpants. Dress like the adult you're getting paid to be. And it says, why it's time to put away the cargo shorts and yoga pants and find your shoes.
Starting point is 01:19:13 Eat my whole ass. And his avatar is like really, he looks like some kind of character from the Music Man or something. And Andy's like, I'm not taking fashion advice from a guy who looks like he runs the bumper boats at a segregation themed amusement park.
Starting point is 01:19:31 Absolute destruction. So rest in peace to Adam Shorn. You died how you lived. Another tweet in response to that is from Semper Bufo
Starting point is 01:19:46 tweeted sorry I don't work from home as a cotton candy machine operator a perfect description of what he looks like he just does look like Augustus Gloop grew up like it's unbelievable it's unbelievable it makes you happy
Starting point is 01:20:01 he did um yeah Chip Zdarsky tweeted, the worst part about the night the Waynes were murdered was Bruce having to watch the killer spend 10 minutes collecting all the loose pearls. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:20:22 We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Myles, what's it going to be today? There's so much good new music out right now. It's really actually fantastic.
Starting point is 01:20:43 One of the few ways we can distract ourselves. But this one is from the artist Ila Bamba, who is an artist. I've played some of her stuff before. Just all of her tracks are super dope. And this one is called Mariposa de Cualcoman. And it's her playing guitar with a lot of great effects. And her vocals are always just so, I don't know, it's her playing guitar with a lot of great effects and her vocals are always like just so I don't know, like spooky and soulful
Starting point is 01:21:10 and her guitar playing is great. So that's this track. Check it out and get your 420. I just taught my sons that Mariposa is Spanish word for butterfly. So that's something. Boom. Look at you.
Starting point is 01:21:26 You're a better dad than Goofy. Those muzzy tapes are working. Yeah, exactly. Muzzy tapes are fucked up. We'll talk about that another day. Next club, muzzy tapes. Next club, muzzy Spanish. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production
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