The Daily Zeitgeist - Unlearning Copaganda, Tulsa on Juneteenth? Really? 6.12.20

Episode Date: June 12, 2020

In episode 650, Jack and Miles are joined by The Male Gaze and The Dark Weeb co-host and comedian Brodie Reed to discuss another cringeworthy PSA from celebrities, Lady Antebellum changing their name ...to Lady A, Trump having a rally in Tulsa on Juneteenth, 365 DNI, what a study of what 10,000 white-collars about race revealed, Cops and Live PD being cancelled, and more!FOOTNOTES: Hollywood Celebs ‘Take Responsibility’ for Racism in Incredibly Cringeworthy PSA Lady Antebellum Changes Band Name and Apologizes for Making Fans Feel "Unsafe, Unseen or Unvalued" 'Slap in the face to black people': Trump faces backlash over rally on Juneteenth Trump administration won’t say who got $511 billion in taxpayer-backed coronavirus loans Netflix’s steamy movie ‘365 DNI’ slammed for glamorizing Stockholm syndrome At a #ThinkIn last week, @JohnAmaechi explained how a survey of 10,000 white-collar workers revealed that the behaviour of ‘reasonable, well-intentioned people’ carries undertones of bias. ‘Cops,’ Long-Running Reality Show That Glorified Police, Is Canceled The untold truth of COPS Cops on TV: The reality show 'COPS' is 'the best recruiting tool for policing ever' Running from Cops: How a decades-old reality TV show distorted America's view of policing 'Cops' crew member killed in police shooting ‘Live P.D.’ Canceled By A&E Amid Ongoing Protests Against Police Brutality WATCH: damanwitdahorn - for the rest of my life Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:06 Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 137, Episode 5 of Der Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Fox News, fuck Rush Limbaugh. Fuck, fuck Sexton. It's Friday, June 12th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Oh, here they come. They'll deploy and screw you up. Oh, no, here they come.
Starting point is 00:02:39 It's the Antifa. That is courtesy of Chris Yamaguchi, Maine. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Miles Gray, no AKA today, but just please, check in on yourselves. Make sure
Starting point is 00:02:55 you're taking care of yourself. If you really want to make change, you're going to have to stay in this thing for the rest of your life. So just please, take as many breaths as you want, because we would like to see as many people on this journey as possible. That's my idea. Written by Hannah Soltis.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Thank you, Hannah. Just out of habit. You know I gotta call somebody out. I'll say I'm gonna talk that one up to Hannah. That does feel like a Hannah Soltis. But the last word of the last sentence should have somehow been a Miles Gray pun. Of Gray. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our funniest guests,
Starting point is 00:03:37 one of the funniest dudes out here. He is the hilarious, the talented Mr. Brody hey guys how are you good to see you i miss you so much and um i wish i could reach out and touch you um instead i'm just gonna reach out and touch my screen but okay just smudge your camera lens he did it too right there i know i also want to we gotta we gotta hang out and test out your Japanese skills because I've been watching you on your Nihongo journey on Instagram. Oh, yeah. As you know, I've been learning Japanese for like two, two and a half years. And I've yet to have an extended conversation at all. Oh, really? Oh, shit. I'm going to you know what? We'll have to have you on one of my Japanese family Zoom calls.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Oh, yes, please. It'll be like, Oh, nice. Brody, you're pretty good at Japanese. Hello, I'm American. I'm a black person. Yeah, and they're like, Which is such a weird thing to say,
Starting point is 00:04:42 which is black person half in Japanese. But that's just the terms we're dealing with right now. I'm working on one country at a time. Absolutely. Absolutely. You got to do your part. Luckily, the Japanese people on my side right now, they're pretty much on the same page.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Some other people back in Tokyo might have to holler at them. That's good. Or else they'd have to, I guess, I don't know, disown you or something. Or you'd have to disown them. So that's good. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm in the process of family drama anyway with people like that. But, you know, that's where we're at.
Starting point is 00:05:17 I'll be your family, dude. Hey, dude, you are my family and I'm your family. We're all each other's family. We're never alone. Speak on it. Speak on it. We're never alone. Drop in truth. Good to be with you guys how's it going yeah good man how how are you learning japanese are you doing like the tapes or what what are you doing um i'm doing so many
Starting point is 00:05:37 things i um i'm doing you know i'm doing doolingo a little bit just for, um, just for fun. But like I have textbooks, there are a wealth of websites these days. Um, there's this one website that teaches you kanji over the course of like two years called Wani Kani. And I was, when I was working in an office job, I was like, I was like a receptionist at Sundance. And I honestly, I worked half the time, and the other half I did kanji, and got away with it. They didn't fire me, so they support my dreams.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Shout out to Sundance. Did you ever accidentally answer the phone in Japanese? Get your signals crossed? No, not accidentally. I've only ever done it on purpose. On purpose? Are you, I mean, because I know you're a big anime head. Like, are you, at what point did you start
Starting point is 00:06:26 switching over to like not like non-dubbed like unsubtitled stuff or are you still kind of you have the subtitles there but listen to it just subtitle i i'm a hundred percent in subtitles whenever i'm on netflix if they have japanese subtitles i'd rather watch something straight up fully in japanese yeah i got to a point where I realized I was such a nerd and I already had a podcast called The Dark Weeb about anime. Right, with Zig. Yeah, with Zig. Then I was just like, okay, so a bunch of the movies and the video games
Starting point is 00:07:00 and the TV shows and the comics that I read are already in Japanese. video games and the tv shows and the comics that i read are already in japanese um i might as well just learn it so that i never have to um read subtitles again and now it's gotten to a point where i'm just like watching um you know like tokusatsu um shows from like the 80s that no one asked me to watch and are not relevant to anything okay we. We'll have to get you watching some Tamori old just sit-down panel shows too. Yeah, totally. I've been getting into the comedy. It's great.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Honestly, my plan is if things really go upside down in America to just move to rural Japan and quit social media and just farm. and just like farm. There was a, I was so funny. I was looking on CNN today. There was a story about a couple that was like a Japanese American woman and her husband
Starting point is 00:07:53 who's white. They work as teachers in Japan and they bought like a farmhouse for like 15 grand. Cause there's a lot of like rural areas that have houses that like are so so affordable yeah and their populations are like dwindling yeah that they want to invite people in but too many of the young people want to live by the cities and all these other things so it's like but the the house they had was unbelievable it was beautiful and like they they bought it for like nothing cool yeah well yeah maybe um come to brody and I's bed and breakfast. We'll have like a ryokan or something you can stop by. It's a weird thing to mention.
Starting point is 00:08:28 But so the quarantine has been really weird for me because my grandmother and my mom both passed away at the beginning of the quarantine. I'm sorry about that. Thank you. I really appreciate it. And it's been like a very like isolationist time for me. But I'm also like quarantined in my grandparents' house that they bought in the 70s. And they were kind of eccentric people.
Starting point is 00:08:51 So I'm literally quarantined in a house that has some samurai swords and rice paper doors. You've got the shoji screens. Wow. Shoji screens. There's literally 20 shoji screens wow there's like literally like 20 soju screens in my house did you say uh was your grandmother a travel agent she was a travel agent yeah right because i was following your social media posts a lot because i lost my grandmother last year too and it's like you know it's wild when you kind of especially when you have all these like artifacts
Starting point is 00:09:22 around yeah yeah to kind of go through but yeah so was that sort of adding to her eccentric taste being a travel agent um absolutely i think she had been to like every continent and um you know i'm i'm 30 something and i realized that like i the only other country i've been to is mexico um I really need to get out and travel. I'm going to take whatever I inherit and just really travel the world. Next time I'm on here, I'll tell you all about Aruba, Jamaica,
Starting point is 00:09:54 who I want to take with me. Baby, why don't we go down to Tokyo? The culture that America has created. Maybe the most authentically american uh the latter day beach boys uh you know they're very authentic to the reagan administration yeah because like all that shit was just like like boomer volume for your brain so you can just kind of tune out
Starting point is 00:10:20 like although like all these things were like going off the rails in the 80s like our perception of the 80s like i don't know i think everyone was like partying and on coke but then you like look you're like oh my god all these other really fucked things are good the media just like learned how to sort of give us this like i don't know patina this uh the the veil of like prosperity and stuff over it i wonder how we're're going to remember right now. You know what I mean? I wonder if people are just going to be like, oh yeah, Doja Cat was a thing for a second. Right. Wasn't Doja Cat canceled at some point? Anyway. So hard to keep track.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I would love to read that in a history book like 30 years from now. Doja Cat canceled. Right. Yeah, like homophobic slurs. Great canceling. Brody, yeah, like homophobic slurs. But then you hear other people, it's like, okay. Brody, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh, okay. This is really, this is a gold mine right here. So, I recently tweeted something that I found a couple years ago. i used to be a researcher on a
Starting point is 00:11:25 cable show and this was back in 2015 right when rachel uh dolazal um became like a you know a controversy like a thing because she was a white woman pretending to be black and she like was like a president of like an an naacP chapter or something so when I was a researcher on the show I did a deep dive and I found this video a couple videos that were made by Richard De La Zal's ex-fiance and posted in 2013 one of them is called For the Rest of My Life. And the other one is called Dream Girl Slideshow. And they are both like fan cams or like predated fan cams for Rachel Dolezal. They're 100% serious. And they are bops.
Starting point is 00:12:19 I posted them on my Twitter. You guys just have to edit them in. Yeah. We'll make you have to write out on that as our songs yeah absolutely because when you posted that i was like what the fuck is this and it really it's so sincere yeah that's what shakes me to my core yeah they don't have a lot of views they never blew up uh i never got to put them on tv because they just weren't good for video but like they are um cringy um goodness and they're just amazing um it's it's the best use of the word vajayjay i've ever heard in an r&b song do we know who the ex-fiancee is like what was his story um yeah he is a muse he's a like a musician uh i think he um plays saxophone um he has a name that i forgot i looked it up in an article but i didn't really want to
Starting point is 00:13:14 like blast him or anything but his youtube is the man with the horns which is a great a great youtube handle like for a long time i thought it was damon with the horns and then and then it clicked is the horn like spelled t-h-e horn like was he inconsistent with his he spelled it regular this is a thing you know especially like when like i feel like food trucks started this too or like they would be like suddenly everything's with a z like wild salads with a z and like caesar's salad and like everything had like a z forced into it like you'd hope i appreciate i remember appreciating like food trucks that went so far into it their menu just became confusing and ceased to function as a menu and yeah at least be consistent for sure decide between
Starting point is 00:14:06 duh and the you got it if you're gonna be dumb if you're gonna be damon you better be with da horns too exactly yeah uh what is something you think is underrated um something i think is underrated um one of the cool things about this recent just like attention us black people have been getting is just like discovering a lot of black art that I wouldn't otherwise and I found
Starting point is 00:14:35 this one website called I Die You Die and it's this website with just like a bunch of like dark industrial music and stuff and they started sharing links to a bunch of black goth industrial artists. And I'm a black goth. I like industrial art. I like people like Saul Williams,
Starting point is 00:14:55 someone who's been inspiring me throughout this process. I like one of my new favorite artists. This is an artist called Yves Tumor. He wrote a really great song about police brutality called Noid that I love a lot. And through this website, I've just been discovering like a lot of black industrial artists. And I think it's really important for black people to take up space in not only all scenes, but that scene as well. Is like nuances like is there an aesthetic that that makes black goth industrial music slightly different or um well when black people do literally anything
Starting point is 00:15:33 it's slightly better so i will say that the aesthetic is it goes hard it just goes harder than even the traditional goth industrial yeah yeah seeing uh like because like with industrial music like you'll watch a video like firestarter or something like that and you'd be like oh this guy's wearing like a like an american sweater but it's black and white and he's like in a pipe and it's just like he's angry it's just like i get where he's coming from right but then when you see like someone do that and there's also he's like running from the cops you're just like oh now i actually get what you're into okay yeah message received yeah what is uh what's something you think is overrated um something that i think is overrated and i'm kind of cheating a little bit but i want to make a point i think we have to i think the term antifa is overrated, Antifa is overrated
Starting point is 00:16:26 and the only reason I think that is because I think it allows one degree of separation that I don't think anyone expected that lets people who are opposed to it, conservatives wackos, whatever
Starting point is 00:16:41 they so easily can demonize Antifa and never say the word fascist out loud. I really think that we kind of collectively have to make an effort to say anti-fascist with our whole chest, with our whole throat, so that when people are like i hate anti-fascists you know what i mean like they have to yeah they have to say the whole thing they're like wait i hate anti i love fascism yeah anti-anti-fascist yeah i'm profile actually yeah exactly i want them to have to say it no it's so true and it it's like one of the tools that you know any oppressive system has to use to be able to divide and conquer and it's like first like most people
Starting point is 00:17:31 are like that's already just ridiculous because to be anti-fascist is like a sentiment it's not it's not a fucking you're not i'm not i don't have a email at antifa.org yeah except we're dealing with the most ridiculous people right and people just immediately go great because before i used to be able to say like you know social justice warriors or black panthers or other thing and try and just immediately vilify something that's actually standing for the complete opposite of what i'm being told it is uh completely agree yeah and it's just yeah there's a moment too where more people are going to begin to see like right what the fuck is he saying because every the even with the do uh doj
Starting point is 00:18:12 like trying to dig up and manufacture something they still have been unable to come up with their like doctored report that would be like yep man look at all the this is the antifa org chart here uh they were all there uh starting with Martin Gugino, who set off the whole thing with his police disruptor device, also known as an iPhone XR. If we can get Ice Cube to tweet about this, we can start a
Starting point is 00:18:38 revolution. I mean, right now, we got a... What was his weird Black Cube shit he was tweeting about? Yeah, just like some hotep stuff i've been it's it's completely hotep like a nation of islam stuff and i i guess we'll um get into it but like he it's called like the the cube of saturn or something and i'm not really sure what it's about right i tried to google it and it just kept telling me it was like about magic. And I was just like, okay,
Starting point is 00:19:05 I'm not, I'm not trying to do a deep dive about this right now. Yeah. If, if you Google it and what it's telling you isn't even close to what someone else is, I think that's your first sign of like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:19:15 it's going to take a lot of energy for me to connect these dots on my own. I think if you saw the first Transformers movie and you know what the all spark is, you pretty much know what it is. I like conspiracy theories that are based around the wisdom buried deep under the surface of Transformers.
Starting point is 00:19:36 I mean, what was Megan Fox really saying when she was bent over the hood of that car? I think that was a call to arms. I think it was too. that was a call to arms i think it was too it was a call to something brody uh finally what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false or vice versa um something that people think is true and i absolutely know to be false is that you do not have to check up on black people right now. The past like week has been really busy for me personally.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Like I've been like, I I've been kind of sick, so I haven't been really able to go out and protest. So I've been really active online. I've been like sharing links and stuff like that. And there's also like inner and attention from the entertainment industry. So I'm like, I got to like get my resume together. I got to like finish some scripts so I can send to people.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Ironically, during this time where I should just be taking care of my own, you know, like mental health and stuff. And even though people have good intentions when they like call to like check up and like text and stuff I think I answered probably like a hundred check-ins last week um and I I don't want to anymore um one of the first things I saw on Facebook for um white people to do during this time was just like a list of um things you could do to like examine your own self. And one of the very first ones was to check up on your black friends. And I screamed at my computer, I was like, No, we don't need it. I mean, I'm only speaking for myself, really. But um, just if you're gonna check in, don't make it like a like a-word essay. I have gotten a couple of those recently.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I have not answered them, and I won't. I'm just going to pretend that they got lost in the mail or something. Or that it just has to be okay that, sure, you sent it, but we're not obligated to respond to it. I think that's the other thing. I just stopped responding because it was it was so much labor to then like because half the time there were people who i think weren't even like looking for i'm i'm like a good you think i'm like one of the good white people right because there are there
Starting point is 00:21:57 are a few there are a few buckets these things fall into yeah some are like i just want to tell you like i like I get it now. And I have a lot of work to do. That's one I'm like, great. I'm not going to respond to that because that actually sounds like a person who knows they don't need to be responded to. They just wanted to affirm their solidarity. Yeah. Even close friends are different than people who I haven't talked to in like a year where I haven't seen in like several years.
Starting point is 00:22:26 It's like, you can check it on me a month from now when you know that Mike, like honestly, like as a comedian, one of the worst feelings is right when you're about to go on stage and you're, uh, going through your set in your head.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Um, and you're trying to concentrate and someone tries to strike up a conversation my brain has felt like that moment like all week so like finally I've like taken some time to decompress because there was a minute where I really had to like look at my like I had to check in with myself and I realized that I was
Starting point is 00:23:06 just like I am in a manic state because of things going on in the world yeah and the what I don't need right now is the that added guilt of not texting a friend back which is which is something I I answered all of those texts except for the one really long one in my mind i just i resolved in myself i'm like i pray for somebody to be like um hello back to me because i already had the fucking i was i would have they would have gotten third degree burns from their fucking phone like that's and that's how i lived with it because i'm like i'm not in a situation at all where objectively I'm being rude. I'm like, no, people are dealing with generational trauma in their own ways.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I had to do the same thing, Brody. I was so angry. I became useless. I became inert. And I realized I had to begin to put these things on a scale. I say, what do I what do I want to do? If I can stay angry or do i actually want to have my head in this game to be able to give everything i have because if if if i want to stay in the game
Starting point is 00:24:09 i really have to take a second to make sure i know how to step back onto the field again because i was just running around out at like gassed yeah they did if they had texting back in the civil rights movement like in the 60 um, we would have heard the same thing. I'm sure. So, so yeah, it's, it's definitely,
Starting point is 00:24:30 yeah, it's, it's tough. Uh, but yeah, don't, don't, again,
Starting point is 00:24:35 I tell everybody else, I will be more impressed when I see people like if somehow I see a viral video of you, like cursing out your race as dad. Yeah. Like in doing that and flipping your thanksgiving table because someone decided to say black all lives matter frankie or some shit you know that's i'm like wow don't talk about it be about it and i don't and i think the other thing too is we'll probably get into this with that tone deaf celebrity video we haven't heard we've heard
Starting point is 00:25:02 enough words we've heard enough words so like at this point they have no fucking meaning they really don't yeah and was it isn't my imagination because i've only seen the video once was that video in black and white or was it in color no you know we get we got into this man the black and white the monochrome the the nuances man of the aesthetic helps set up the black whitewhite binary for the viewer. That's why it has depth, not because people didn't know how to color balance or people's skin was looking weird. A little piano roll. Yeah, exactly.
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Starting point is 00:29:41 and decided not to sing this time, to just do what they do and deliver really passionate um dramatic performances of uh true statements like very things that people should be thinking um but for some reason they thought they needed to be the ones to say it and say it in the most cringy way possible. And also be clearly reading it in probably 60% of the cases. Debra Messing, she needs to be canceled for her inability to remember lines. It was an all-star cast, right? You got Kristen Bell, Kesha aaron paul stanley
Starting point is 00:30:25 tucci bryce dallas howard deborah messing i mean uh lana glazer there were so many people i think there's like a duplass brother in there at some point yeah it's just the weirdest thing like i the sentiment credit oh great fantastic but to have someone over act something that should actually feel sincere is like the most cringy like get like performative bullshit like it's it instantly just rings hollow i think it's they really did themselves a disservice with this yeah nothing reminds you more that actors are really just that they're not like writers or like directors or like people um i think the funniest the funniest thing about that video is that you can imagine um someone's like assistant uh like on the zoom call like having to direct like aaron paul and being like okay aaron so um
Starting point is 00:31:21 that was a little angry um we needed to be like a little like set like i don't know like sad how about this and those killer cops gotta be brought to justice bitch like okay hold on what are you doing jesse pinkman now or are you doing aaron paul i would have preferred them all to be in character yeah fuck it what was uh who is she what was deborah meadow she was grace you know get her doing her character get kristin bell to be veronica mars yeah absolutely julianne moore to be homegirl from boogie nights um i was really disappointed in julianne moore too because i she's one of my favorite criers. Yeah, she should have just cried. And she didn't give me the tears.
Starting point is 00:32:08 And I don't know why I suddenly went from like, this is supposed to be a message to suddenly be like, why aren't these actors doing my favorite thing I know them for? Because the equality message got lost in the overacting. Yeah, they should have done some impressions or told some jokes or something.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Like, why so serious? Yeah. I feel like Julianne Moore is just, and this has nothing to do with the video, but I feel like she's under-memed because she has some wild performances where she's just taking it to entire next levels. Laura Dern kind of got in her lane
Starting point is 00:32:43 of emotional white woman meme screen grabs because julianne moore has been she's been screaming and crying with cocaine all over her face and so there's like so many things you could cut out of a julianne moore movie is it okay if i ask the zeitgang to make some julianne moore memes yeah zeitgang hit us up with someone next and i know zeitgang is actually up on shit enough to know julianne moore is the queen of contorted face crying even before uh what's homegirl's name from homeland was doing it uh claire danes claire danes because her cry face got a little shine also on the internet but julianne moore has been here the the pharmacy scene in magnolia is everybody needs to watch that that is among the most intense uh moments of performance
Starting point is 00:33:35 yeah it also just contrasts with what she's given us in this in this uh video do you think um i don't okay like what do you think is going through the minds of these celebrities like a there's there's clearly a bit of like white savior shit going on here uh but also like was this just for them was this i'm i'm having like yeah was it did they just do the thing that they said well naacpACP asked me, so therefore, whatever they're going to ask me is going to be okay, or I'll just... Yeah. Honestly, I do think it was that. I do think that the NAACP reached out, and they were like, oh, man, I can't say no, technically, to this.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And maybe it's easier than actually donating any money. I'm sure all of them have donated several hundred dollars. I have no doubt um it i it's i'm not even really sure like like personally like after after the dust settles on all this protesting which might take a very long time like any time i even if if if i listen to like elvis costello like three years from now, I'm going to have to Google. Did he say Black Lives Matter? Like, like, I'm going to have to make a spreadsheet of literally every celebrity and make sure that they said Black Lives Matter.
Starting point is 00:34:55 And if they didn't, I'll just replace them with someone else. So in that way, they are covering their ass. In that way, they are covering their ass. But, like, at this point, especially after the... In a post-Imagine video world, celebrities need to know that we're just going to drag them. Right. The real fault is whoever at NAACP's PR had this idea for a video and reached out.
Starting point is 00:35:19 But, like, I do hope that it does raise money. And it is for... It's a video for white people. It's almost like they could have just said at the beginning of the video, this is for whites. When it does this thing of like, I take responsibility.
Starting point is 00:35:39 You're already going to make people defensive with how you've been framing this. Right, yeah. To start off with these like, already going to make people defensive with how you've been framing this right yeah like to start off with these like i i should have like i get that and that would have come off a lot better if you had just written like a medium post that was like probably more sincere to who you are as a person than performing this like pre like someone else's words um because like it also like it gives people that ability to start looking at the
Starting point is 00:36:06 situation or like if you're first if people are new to these terms of like white privilege fragility white supremacy that you're gonna see a thing like this and go this is what they're they just want white people to say i'm sorry for and i didn't even do anything you know i'm not racist the guys on my softball team no like it's just fucking like it's already like i feel like the the language could have been adjusted a little bit more than to just say like i take risk i get that because yes we all have a a role in either abiding or you know allowing white supremacy to persist but to look to have like to do it this way i think it just it it sort of muddies the waters in terms of like what the points that need to be communicated are to people you know what i think they could have done to have been
Starting point is 00:36:57 a little more effective and this is just an idea but like i think they should have gotten actors who have like played famous cops specifically um like that would be interesting if just like the role that like police media um does to like honestly because it's i think we're all a little bit brain brainwashed um before the last two weeks like i knew i i i grew up in englewood uh i grew up in the hood. It's just like I always hated cops. But I didn't know that they were quite this bad at their job. Like cops like are not legally required to help people. They just protect property and stuff. And so much of what I think about cops still comes from the media, even though like, I was always like looking at it with like rose
Starting point is 00:37:46 colored glass not even rose colored glasses but like with a skeptical lens um so i don't know plus if you did actors who are cops we probably could have got like will smith in there that would have been cool yeah i mean imagine like people's heads exploding if like michael chickless he's like you know although he played one of the dirtiest fucking cops ever in the shield, he would have never thought like, man, the cops are good after watching the shield. But he was the, was he the commissioner before that?
Starting point is 00:38:13 I mean, like to see those faces, it would almost be like that, like those moments on Catfish where Nev and Max find like the model, IG model that the person is using their pics to catfish somebody with and then get them to video call the victim of the catfish like hi this is me you're seeing i'm not the person that you think i am just so you know and i think if you had a lot of people
Starting point is 00:38:35 who reinforce this message of like this binary of police good and anyone opposed to police equals criminal bad yeah that would yeah that may have had an effect. Why are we punching up these fucking videos for them? I do feel like that's sort of happening in other places in culture with NASCAR banning the Confederate flag. What a surprise. A ban called Lady Antebellum, saying they're now Lady A. And apparently they claimed it was about architecture,
Starting point is 00:39:09 which is plantation. It was like a photo shoot that had been in front of a house, like they were in the South taking the photo, whatever it was. The singer first said when they got signed, they didn't think they were going to be able to keep the name, but they just did it in the beginning. And then when they did it, they're like, oh, well. And then their fans just called them Lady A. But either either way like the way they're talking about it now it's like y'all
Starting point is 00:39:29 but y'all already knew what antebellum meant before this and you're just being you were able to skate on it so but fine i guess we're crossing that rubicon of like and i keep using this fucking term where the con yeah like of crossing the rub at least, like, sort of media coverage of being like, oh, yeah, we're all gonna agree the Confederate flag bad. We used to be like, well, it is a symbol for... Motherfucker, that shit didn't even... Fucking four years? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:55 What the fuck are you talking about? It's a good thing Soup Plantation went bankrupt way before this. Yeah. Maybe they saw it coming. I mean, i was always like i remember a few years ago i was like i love soup plantation i was like i do love those little ice creams though hate the name love the little soft serve it's about culture about history you know yeah that's about history it's about history
Starting point is 00:40:18 uh when when office workers were picking soup in the fields what the fuck because that's what a soup plantation is now it's all like office people like stress the fuck out who only have 10 minutes to eat yeah I mean we and then we saw it with Tom Morello
Starting point is 00:40:41 and Rage Against the Machine like people just now waking up to the fact that the cultural entities that they thought were on board with their... Ideology, yeah. Yeah. Not quite. I think all that really underlines is that many people are not aware of the media they consume.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Yeah. That's all that really shows to me. people are not aware of the media they consume. Yeah. That's all that really shows to me. People are not aware of the media they consume. How could you be a Rage Against the Machine fan and not hear the lyrics of Zach and be like, nah, that can't be about racism. Or like police. Like, I don't know. Who do you guys think run the forces?
Starting point is 00:41:26 Yeah, like Air Force Ones? Nike? They thought the machine was just like their computer malfunctioning. That's like the rage against the machine they were having. Like the scene in Office Space where they get mad at the copier. Yeah, well, I mean, rather than the speech that it comes from, you know what i mean like that's the other thing it's like mario savio is the one who like i mean if you hear that speech my god you'll be like whoa i'm fucking ready to fucking headbutt if like a colonial capitalism
Starting point is 00:41:59 white supremacy it with my skull right now but i honestly search mario savio rage against the machine that's where that phrase comes from but yeah i think again people just aren't they don't they don't take apart the nuances of what they're ingesting and if you buy a cd always read the booklet you gotta um for sure well maybe they saw evil empire and they're like well i don't know it's a white kid and like a like a rugby hockey shirt like did you see the album i don't know the first album with the self-immolation on the cover um okay but yeah that's that's metal as hell dude how they draw that it's funny because when that album came out i remember like there was the the movie higher learning that john singleton filmed there were like early rage tracks on there um and i remember going to like the CD store with my dad and that first rage album was
Starting point is 00:42:47 there. And I was like, whoa. And my dad was like, yo, this is like, what the fuck is this? Like, what band is this? I'm like, it's called Rage Against the Machine. And he bought it. I remember he bought it. Cool.
Starting point is 00:42:57 And I was like, I didn't know what happened. And then we were in the car. I was like, oh, to me, I could just see this image of the monk who was engaging in self-immolation to protest the Vietnam War. And I remember it wasn't until we got home. I was like, why did you just buy that seat? You don't even know the band. Then he broke down what this image was about and what he was going through in the 70s and how he felt about the war and what kind of mental just focus it takes to even maintain a position like that while your body is engulfed in flames as a protest and he was like he's like whoever posted this or if they're
Starting point is 00:43:32 using this as their album cover i know they know what the fuck is up yeah and i was like all right whatever and then i didn't get into it until evil empire and i was like oh okay yeah meanwhile i'll be like nine and i'll see the same cover and I'll be like, this is how my parents make me feel. Right. I just want to stay up late. And then sadly, like in that other portion, I fell into Linkin Park at a time when I could have maybe blasted more.
Starting point is 00:44:00 But hey, you know what it is. In the end, nothing doesn't even matter. The machine is bedtime. Miles, these wounds will never heal, and that's the promise that I make to all Linkin Park fans. Thank you. Let's talk about Trump.
Starting point is 00:44:15 Trump announced his first post-coronavirus rally and chose a very specific date and location yeah yikes i like even hitler i think is cringing at how on the nose this shit is yeah it's my god you're going juneteenth which is a actual holiday and i think all but three states i think the dakotas and montana uh of the you know officially recognizing the end of
Starting point is 00:44:46 slavery or when the slaves and last slaves in texas were told that slavery had ended in 1865 um that's what that's the significance of juneteenth so that's basically saying for to if you want to reduce it down to an easy thing that you know uh end of slavery holiday celebration is juneteenth to then have that, your first rally since March, which people are going to look at this rally as being a response to the Black Lives Matter movement. Absolutely. Because that's just where we are. The juxtaposition of events. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:36 To then have it in Tulsa, the site of one of the worst racial terrorist acts ever transpired on American soil, aside from the genocide of indigenous people throughout the history of this country, I would say is pretty significant because that's the site of Black Wall Street. was unbelievable, unbelievable, unabated racial violence against black people who had figured out a way to find prosperity just within their own community. And it was thriving. So then to have your little diet Klan rally there, we get what you're saying. You're just basically saying all racists come through um it's gonna be a party and i don't know i mean the thing is i i don't actually i don't think trump knows what what juneteenth is i don't think he knows when tulsa like maybe he just found out i have i disagree and i think teenage mutant ninja gerbils is the one who lined it up for him and then he agreed i could yeah i i think the
Starting point is 00:46:26 funniest part about this is we recently learned um i think trump we we like know for sure that he really only watches like two things he watches fox news and he watches um hbo and we know he watches hbo because he tweeted about insecure so and i think that he watches HBO because he tweeted about Insecure so and I think that he the only reason he knows about Tulsa is because he probably watched The Watchmen he watched at least one episode because a bunch of white people learned about Tulsa for the first time from watching The Watchmen because our American education system is a complete failure and we don't teach people about this kind of thing. And he I think he knows the the specifics of the day. I think it was just like, what's a day we could piss off the most black people in a coded way and make it look like coded. Yeah. What what day is that anyway? Is that like what weekday is that?
Starting point is 00:47:24 Let me let me see. June 19th is Friday. It'll be next Friday. Okay, cool. That's fine. He can have his pizza Friday, I guess. The other thing, too, is this like, you know, again, a lot of the cruelty that's been really mind-blowing,
Starting point is 00:47:41 like Stephen Miller has had a hand in all the time. Yeah. And I know he definitely by working with old jefferson sessions uh beauregard that he he picked up a thing or two uh with his time interning in that you know uh just racist office but the other thing like when you just look at what trump is dealing with he's losing a three-front war right now he's has no answer to the pandemic and the fallout the economic fallout from that joe biden is doing nothing and gaining like gaining support in polls especially in like swing states by doing nothing
Starting point is 00:48:19 um and then also you have a popular uprising in the united States that's demanding a reckoning with white supremacy. Well, some people are, but whatever you want to call this moment, it's a new civil rights movement and a call for major, major restructuring and reform. And so this man is, he realizes he's digging L's on all three. So he's just doing his old playbooks. He's like, I don't know, just fucking go pedal to the metal metal on race war and maybe this will dig me out of a hole or something yeah but it's just it's like not even for the the math of an election oklahoma's not even a swing state yeah it's like what do you it's it's clearly just this is just clearly just a big troll move it's a it's a it's a you know it's a dog whistle and
Starting point is 00:49:05 it's it's strange because it's like you know we're living in the present and um the last couple years have just been so crazy we never expected um this to happen with trump and like all this stuff to happen and i feel like we're gonna look back on moment, like in a history book and we're going to be like, of course, this is how, this is exactly how fascism and nationalism, um, props up and becomes like a prominent thing is that people the whole time are
Starting point is 00:49:35 just like, no, no, no, come on. And then it just happens. Yeah. Um,
Starting point is 00:49:42 so it's scary and we, we just got to do our best to confront it and i don't know hack hack the convention or something join us i mean james left us on the phone i think this also helps him uh i mean all of these you know uprisings have just allowed him to completely avoid the conversation about covid uh yeah and even when you look at oklahoma like proportional to like oregon like they are outpacing them in terms of infections and death rates because they were like one of those states like a ton of states that were like yeah dude we're in like phase nine all good mode uh completely reopened and then on top of that you're gonna have a rap it's it's it's
Starting point is 00:50:27 all like everything is just uh it doesn't make sense it's purely just a gesture to like white america to try and sort of reassert itself as they watch all their monuments and things just like wither away in front of them i mean you hate to see it you hate to see i mean you hate to see it yeah i mean you hate to read the replies in that nascar tweet you hate to read the replies in the new iheart podcast waiting on reparations that are just like so the racists are are up in arms they're well it's overtime yeah it's overtime and they're down by 15 yeah well it's overtime and they're getting paid for it yeah and i think this whole it truly is they like if you really held on to this really superficial identity of white supremacy of like merely like because i'm a white person i'm better than everyone you're probably pissing your pants right now yeah uh because suddenly like companies that used to like ignore your
Starting point is 00:51:25 racism are now like sorry confederate flags gone this thing we're not doing it anymore like you know people who work here sorry fuck out of here this is where it's at uh all these monuments they're coming down your forts they're named after like slavers and confederates gone and that's like what but i have nothing yeah because your ideology was nothing to begin with so watch you know either move on to something new or you know move to whitefish montana yeah i can't help but laugh at like watching like a tucker carlson video where like celebrities will scroll by of all the ones that are like canceled and it'll just be like all the good ones it's just like steve carell over yeah chrissy tighean enemy of the state along with like old ass rioting footage like also that man was playing footage
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Starting point is 00:56:10 or wherever you stream podcasts. And we're back. And before we get back to the news, Miles, do we want to do a check-in with the Netflix top 10 this week? If there's something so bad. So there's a couple of things that might qualify.
Starting point is 00:56:34 There's 13 Reasons Why is back at number one because I guess they just dropped new episodes. I don't know that series. I just know that it's controversial and like a teen thing i'm not interested in that because i feel like i watched the you know light version of that with uh riverdale recently um so there's something at number two there's a polish porno uh called 365 dni uh which i'm very curious about because uh i'm horny no uh because uh it's a it's apparently like a kidnapping thing uh it's it's like tapping into the same thing as uh 50 shades of gray which i never really dug into but i was like kind of interested in like what that is that like that itch that this uh these movies are scratching so i don't know i'm also real awkward talking let's but no let's
Starting point is 00:57:33 both as i look at what this thing sounds like a fucking nightmare like people are like uh it's it's romanticizing stockholm syndrome and like yeah yeah well we'll see let's check it out all right we'll watch there's also a there's a an article that just says 365 dni sex scenes leave netflix viewers floored by flight attendant sex act okay so i don't know what that means all right guys that's what so uh we will be watching that on Monday if people want to check that out some salacious international flavor those look kind of
Starting point is 00:58:10 yeah 365DNI the movie is just like a real hairy guy grabbing a naked woman's boobs it is oh my god whatever alright there's so many things that sort out at the same time Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, whatever. All right.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Whatever. We got so much. There's so many things that sort out at the same time. I want to talk about this John Amici study. The former NBA player and organizer was talking about this study where they basically sent a questionnaire to 10,000 respondents from white collar environments to ask the question of like, what are the traits that they associate with black people? And the answers for themselves are like beautiful,
Starting point is 00:59:00 strong, athletic, proud music sports. So as he points out, not exactly a broad swath of ideas, but at least it's not negative. But then he pointed out that when you ask those same 10,000 people, what do you think other people associate with black people? The answers became criminal, athletic, poor athletic poor inferior uneducated gangs dangerous
Starting point is 00:59:27 uh oh and he was pointing out that they haven't found those other people yet it's just the people who are answering the questions all giving themselves credit for having the still stereotypical but positive, not racist view, but assuming that out there in other people, there exists these very overtly racist ideas. And it just reminded me of that Sony email hack leak that... I bring it up a lot, but it's always stuck in my head. This Sony executive
Starting point is 01:00:14 who was arguing that they shouldn't greenlight Denzel Washington's Equalizer 2. He said, I'm not saying the Equalizer should not have been made or that african-american actors should not have been used i personally think denzel washington is the best actor of his generation so whatever he says next will not be racist just because he qualified that
Starting point is 01:00:39 okay casting him is saying we're okay with a double uh and not a home run basically is what he said and then he blames it on international audiences being racist i just think that that is a more prevalent dynamic than a lot of white people realize the idea that well it's out there other people are racist and that's just the reality that i'm dealing with but i'm one of the good ones and it's just that is upholding systemic racism and systemic white supremacy just as much when you're just assuming that in other people yeah to be clear when you center whiteness you are centering whiteness like you especially if you are in a position of power you know i um i've been a stand-up comic for a long time and i am acutely aware that like when I tell jokes in front of an audience almost 99% of the time I am telling jokes even though they're they're black jokes that I'm telling
Starting point is 01:01:56 them to a white audience to a white like palette even if they're from my perspective they're to that white perspective and the people who are in charge of like making decisions of like getting things on tv and putting movies out and distributing them like they are very acutely aware that globally it's accepted that the western world is white um like a lot of foreign countries when they think of foreigners they don't think of um they don't think of like a large multicultural like swath they think of white people like first and the only way that's going to change is if people actually um make a stand against it um Or else it's just like, I just think it's a shame that like in the entire course of like human
Starting point is 01:02:51 history, like we've had the film industry for like a little over a hundred years and it's been centered in whiteness that whole time. You know, if an asteroid crashes into the earth and we only ever got to center whiteness i think that'd be pretty sad so do better i guess can you make this black and white right yeah please uh please listen to this in black and white the even the things that they were associating right like athletic music sports those are because those are actually places black people have been able to center themselves in just off of merit off because the art was good enough,
Starting point is 01:03:30 because the skill was good enough to be the best. And it's not movie like to your point, even saying they're not saying movies or books or other things. And I think it's interesting to just like what you're saying, Jack, psychologically of like, imagine like even if you were at a party, right? And people were telling like embarrassing stories. Yeah. And you know you had one that happened to you that was so embarrassing. But you knew it's like, well, they don't know me. I can say this happened to somebody else.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Yeah. And I'll do that to shield myself from fully owning the embarrassment of this moment. And it still has the effect of me telling somebody an actual moment that happened that they can recognize happened to somebody else it's like the same way you could do that was saying like well what do you think and it's like okay uh this is what i think black people could be they're beautiful strong athletic now what do you think other people well i think other people probably think that they're dangerous they'll probably mug you uh or like this one guy at the gym like might be looking at your butt all the time um i'm sorry what was that last part i nothing like nothing it does allow this sort of like psychological your defense mechanisms to come down when you're starting to frame things
Starting point is 01:04:35 in the context of another person but somehow like a lot more negative stuff comes out because you're offered this distance or separation from those yeah i'm gonna try that on people i date you're gonna try that on people you date yeah what do you think other girls would think complain about me that's literally uh so that interview with john amici uh happened on like a life coaches uh podcast i think uh and uh the life coach was like that's uh who i don't generally give life coaches uh that's not where i get most of my psychological uh studies from but uh the person was saying that they actually ask people like to get a sense of what they think they ask people what they think other people think because that's like where you get the unguarded truth from people that's so interesting
Starting point is 01:05:31 yeah i'm gonna trick some people in my life into saying some stuff i will tell you also too like you know what actually i think about that too if like i've been critical of like a personal friend's work i've used the defense well you know like some people say yeah right because i don't want to be like yo this is trash i'm gonna be real with you this is trash this is trash i just don't think people will get it yeah yeah yeah right right right and i i do i do i do i get it i think you're the greatest artist of our generation if i saw this and I didn't know you and if I weren't friends with you, I would also still think that this is good, but I'm saying that other people would not. It's the same thing.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Yeah, we always have to preserve ourselves or we never want to come off as the bad guy, whatever that is, whether that's bad for being honest or objectively bad because you have really shitty racist ideas in your head. Totally. Yeah. Whatever that is, whether that's bad for being honest or objectively bad because you have really, you know, shitty racist ideas in your head. Totally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Uh, also I do want to talk about, uh, they did abolish cops, uh, the TV show. wow. Which,
Starting point is 01:06:39 oh, and, what is that other one? Live PD or whatever. Yeah. Live PD was a newer one that was kind of a big hit that they canceled. But I didn't
Starting point is 01:06:50 know Cops was still on the air. Me neither. I thought it was like reruns. I don't know. I associated it with early 90s TV. But they were set to premiere their 33rd season
Starting point is 01:07:05 this week on the Paramount Network, which used to be Spike TV until a TV station dedicated to toxic masculinity was no longer a viable strategy.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Oh, but when they announced that shit, people were like yeah heck yeah video game awards fuck yeah give me bar rescue yeah apparently the show stopped airing on fox in 2013 and then that's when spike picked it up and then it became paramount oh that makes sense but so i i don't know i think a lot of people know that it began it was one of the first reality shows it began because there was a writer's strike uh and the show's creators had worked with geraldo on a show about drug busts uh and then pitched cops to fox and they were just desperate for unscripted shows because of the writer's
Starting point is 01:08:06 strike but like people who've paid attention to the show and the impact it's had say that it was really damaging for in in a number of ways so it's propaganda yeah like literally the police departments get final cut on the show. Like they are, because they have to sign off on giving away the access, they review every episode before it goes out. And it needs to present the police officers in a positive heroic light, which it doesn't. So the police are in charge of constructing their own narrative that is then shown on screen sounds like sounds like propaganda okay i'm starting to realize that reminds me of i i've been kind of like thinking about um i've
Starting point is 01:09:03 been trying to like decolonize like all these like cop shows that i've like internalized when i was a kid i remember when i was a kid on like tv land um watching uh not like yeah dragnet it is dragnet um the guy behind that um i i think his character's name was like jack holiday um i'm not sure if that was his real name but like they presented that show as this like very realistic um police procedural of like how it's like to be a police officer and a lot of it was like kind of boring they would use codes and they would like investigate things and you'd see them like um using like actual like police cars and stuff as props and then I was reading about it and you know the whole thing was basically propaganda the police department
Starting point is 01:09:53 lent them equipment as long as they got the okay on every like story in the episodes and stuff and it was like one of the most successful uh police pr imperatives and it kind of just like started to imprint um the police department in hollywood in los angeles and it's it's just it's just gross and and it's made me hate Dragnet, which used to be a show I used to love. Right. That makes so much sense. I've only seen one episode of Dragnet, and it was the one where hippies take LSD
Starting point is 01:10:40 and then lose their minds and start... One of them jumps out a window, and another one, I think, just dies from LSD and then lose their minds and start like one of them like jumps out a window and another one I think just dies from LSD like from just the drug LSD from talking about it yeah yeah he lost his mind that day yeah the only place that I know that is that uh routinely uh dishonest about drugs is uh dare which is a police program so it's like that that was a unified strategy across the board um i mean dare was a great ad for pcp because the stories they told me i was like like, wait, what? What? The guy threw a cop car? You can smoke something and get super, like, turn into Hulk? He ripped a streetlight out? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Like, I remember, and this guy, oh, I talk about this guy, Officer Charles all the time with his stupid vanity license plate, P-R-N-C-H-A-S. And it was supposed to say Prince Charles. And I was like, no, it says Pernchass. Fucking loon. Freaking Pernchass fucking loon freaking Pernchass yeah but I just remember I remember afterwards when he said that PCP
Starting point is 01:11:54 story like me and my friends were like yo dude what the fuck what is this PCP thing it did not it was just really it just felt like a thing where I think officers who are in trouble they have to to do dare. Is that the deal? Because I think there's got to be more important things or like he's like the one cop was like the patience to talk to shithead at 11 and 12 year olds. feedback loop where it was police uh and tv producers and reality show producers the like who are not uh who are just looking for the you know the violence the exciting uh thing the thing that's going to they're not looking to upend any stereotypes they're more looking to just use them to hook people in.
Starting point is 01:12:48 That show being on the air for so many years, police departments openly say that it was the best recruiting tool that they had. When you think about who it's recruiting, then some of these videos that we've been seeing of how the police uh respond to peaceful protests start making more sense to me i think yeah imagine getting pulled over in 2020 and then like seeing a camera and being like am i on fucking cops right now and they're like yes i'm not signing the release
Starting point is 01:13:23 you know the other thing too is like when you think of how it functions i don't think i've I'm not signing the release. You can blur my face out. You know, the other thing too, is like when you think of how it functions, I don't think I've seen a cops episode where they got the wrong guy and we're like, Oh, sorry about that.
Starting point is 01:13:34 Never. Yeah. They left it in, you know, they just have the caveat of like cops is filmed on the streets with the brave men and women of law enforcement. They're like, all,
Starting point is 01:13:43 all people are innocent until proven guilty, despite what the demeanor of the police suggests and the of law enforcement. They're like, all people are innocent until proven guilty, despite what the demeanor of the police suggests and the editing. They're always getting their man. The show, people who did a statistical analysis found that they were more likely
Starting point is 01:13:59 to show arrests of persons of color before the first commercial break. Then like they just like front loaded that to play on, I guess the white audiences fears. And yeah, sometimes police forces invited the cops crew to come film them as a PR move in order to quote,
Starting point is 01:14:22 mend a tarnished image. And you, you mentioned the releases like in order to get people to sign the release they would sometimes just keep them locked up you know next to the release form being like you're not going anywhere
Starting point is 01:14:42 you're not getting any water you can't go to the bathroom until you sign this release form being like you're not going anywhere you're not getting any water you can't go to the bathroom until you sign this release form if they signed it at all some of some of the people that uh this show running from cops which is a podcast that's focused on the victims of the show cops uh they they said they talked to a lot of people who never signed a release and they were just like yeah what are you gonna do about it well we're gonna defund you yeah dismantle your departments yeah brody it's been great having you uh back on the daily zeitgeist man thanks for having me you guys people find you and follow you um you can find me at aobrobro um Twitter and Instagram, mostly on Twitter. You can listen to two of my podcasts.
Starting point is 01:15:30 I have a podcast called The Male Gaze with a couple other comedians. And we talk about current events during the week through a sensitive male gaze and the dark weeb, where me and Cody Ziegler talk about a lot of nerdy things as people of color and you can also check out a short film that we made that is supposed to be coming out soon it was supposed to play
Starting point is 01:15:56 at a lot of festivals this year a lot of them got pushed but it's called $16,000 it's a comedy about reparations and it's like winning some awards and stuff. And we're pretty proud of that. Oh, thanks for having me.
Starting point is 01:16:09 You guys. Of course. Yeah. Who else is on that show? Steve Hernandez is also does that podcast, right? Uh, Steve Hernandez,
Starting point is 01:16:16 Alan Stricken Williams, and, uh, Zed Kutzinger. They're all really funny, really great dudes. I think everybody except Zed on the show. Oh,
Starting point is 01:16:22 got it. Check it out. Yeah. Uh, Miles, where can people find you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey.
Starting point is 01:16:36 Also, my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance, where we're talking about 90 Day Fiance. Pretty easy. Okay, let's see. A tweet that I like. oh okay this tweet uh is from stephanie d keen at rhythm keen k-e-e-n-e it says i remember first hearing about abolition and thinking we can do that i just hadn't had the imagination for it before a lot of people are having that moment or the one just before it right now it's hard to imagine a thing you don't
Starting point is 01:17:02 know but we do it all the time so So, you know, do some reading. Educate yourself. Give yourself the ability to envision these things. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Andy Richter tweeted, according to the email I just got, I didn't just order a pair of flip-flops
Starting point is 01:17:21 online. I became part of a family. They should tell you this stuff ahead of time. I've got enough on my plate right now. Rob Wisman tweeted, And Sean Clements tweeted, You can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes we link off the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, what are we riding out on today?
Starting point is 01:18:09 Brody, sing it one time. Tell us what we're riding out on from Rachel Dolezal's ex-fiance. It's called The Man with the Horn, and the track is called For the Rest of My Life. That's right, because for the rest of our lives, we're going to commit to something, too. All right. All right. that's right because for the rest of our lives we're going to commit to something too all right all right well the daily zeitgeist the production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you listen your favorite shows that is going to do it for this morning we'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we'll talk to you then. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Wherever he or she will be, it will be a blessing to our wonderful family. The stars are alighting, shining on us.
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