The Daily Zeitgeist - Weekly Zeitgeist 246 (Best of 10/3/22-10/7/22)

Episode Date: October 9, 2022

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Starting point is 00:02:01 Hello, the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited together into one nonstop infotainment laughstravaganza. Yeah. So without further ado, here is the weekly zeitgeist. Anyways, Miles, that's a joke I stole from my friend Chris. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very funny comedian, writer, actor, and podcast host who you can see hosting the monthly comedy show Performance Anxiety.
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Starting point is 00:03:03 Absolutely, the fellas are back yes on on in podcast paradise what's up what's up eli what's new what's new you're right by the way that is a bridge that was like not only was it a bridge to like main in terms of like mainstreaming it was like the bridge for the end of the early 90s because that literally the song came out in 95 right right and then rap completely changed after that and i don't think that's a coincidence and also that video was directed that video was directed by anton fakua who went on to do training day and lots of i mean that was like really yeah yeah and then f gary gray who directed friday and like you know fates of the furious and shit he directed the fantastic voyage video that. Yeah, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Because back then you could direct videos for like five years and live off it for another five. That's why people are always like, oh, why didn't they cross over to movies? Well, they want to, but also you don't have to. Now you have to do, you have to make a movie, a music video,
Starting point is 00:04:01 and still pick up a shift at your day job. The landscape is completely changed. got to turn out that content, baby. That's right. And sweet, sweet tent. Yeah, Zyke, let me know, who's like the last great director who went from music videos to film recently? I mean, it was the big crossover event
Starting point is 00:04:19 for Michelle Pfeiffer fans, I think. Dude, when she pulled up that chair in the video, I was like, holy shit holy shit it was hilarious that shit he didn't hilarious but also very poignant i was like that's a moment right there julio didn't he didn't like that idea apparently his original vision for that video was like just being shot on like a city street i think with like cars and people like almost like a block party and when the director pitched it to him, he was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:04:46 I trust you do do what you want to do. And he was very happy with it in retrospect. But at the time he was like very like iffy about it. Hmm. Interesting. It's like that was like the defining video of 95. And seriously, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:01 I mean, I went to see that movie in theaters as a teenager based solely off the strength of that song and was disappointed, just like everybody else. Yeah. Did the same thing. Yo, you know, it's even wilder. I never seen the movie. Wow. I mean, that is OK.
Starting point is 00:05:20 That's the other thing about that period in the 90s. You could if there were soundtracks that way out of the movies. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the bodyguard was probably one of the exceptions where both like really did huge numbers. But like at the time, I remember the spawn soundtrack was like a huge deal because it was this collaboration between techno artists and the big rock stars of that era. And the movie, no one gave it. Who still talks about it? You know what I mean? Like nobody. Unfortunately, it was another one. it who who still talks about it you know what i
Starting point is 00:05:45 mean like yeah nobody unfortunately it was another one oh i don't know if you guys remember this is a deep cut angus do you remember that movie yeah no yeah a lot of people don't when i bring it up incredible soundtrack had like every yeah that had the goo goo dolls before they switched from being like a punk band to a pop band and And like Weezer has a deep cut on there that never, I don't think showed up. I think it was specifically for the album that I could be wrong about. I'm not as big of a Weezer fan as everybody else, but speaking of
Starting point is 00:06:13 Goo Goo Dolls, City of Angels soundtrack really punched above its weight. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's another one. Huge soundtrack. I think that even went like platinum. Soul Food. Soul Food also a soundtrack. Huge soundtrack. Yeah. They were like waiting to exhale. Another huge soundtrack. I think that even went like platinum. Soul Food. Soul Food. Also a soundtrack. That huge soundtrack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:27 They were like waiting to exhale. Another big soundtrack. Yeah. And obviously Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet. You know, you had to have that one. Had to have that one. That had two soundtracks. That had a sequel.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Yeah, that's right. They bought out like a second one. They're like, here are more songs from it. The only other time I think that happened after that was the Fast and the Furious. I think two soundtracks came out. There was one with Ja Rule and everything that Irv Gotti produced. That was the original soundtrack.
Starting point is 00:06:54 And then they were like, oh, for those of you who don't like rap, here are the rock songs that we included. Here are the white songs from Fast and Furious. Because they were like, oh my God, this movie crossed over too much. Right, right, right. That's like, Boogie Nights had two soundtracks too.
Starting point is 00:07:10 That's right. And that's another one. Yeah. What a time, huh, guys? Dense soundtrack. The Above the Rim soundtrack also. That was the only movie I saw on the strength of the entire soundtrack. Sunset Park soundtrack too.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Dangerous Minds was the only one that like sold me just off a single song i was like well i'm not doing like i am going to see this movie if it's the last thing i do because that song fucking goes what is something from your search history okay so this is a billboard that i drove by recently and i gasped when i saw it there's a new thing this year at the queen mary called shack tober fest oh shack is putting together a spooky little haunted house pumpkin patch for the entire month of october at the queen mary i i was so happy And the logo is amazing. Miles's face, by the way, he just turned into a child. I'm, look, as somebody who had Shaquille O'Neal as part of his, you know, formative experiences.
Starting point is 00:08:14 I know. I'm like, eh? Will there be dubstep as well? Please be on brand, DJ Diesel. Oh, yeah. I mean, literally, there's like the Pumpkin Patch description is, During the day, Shaq Diesel's Pumpkin Patch offers a traditional experience where kids of all ages can explore the attraction. But at night, the attraction erupts to life as a Shaq Diesel mix blasts throughout the area, accompanied by an over-the-top light show mixing Halloween and EDM into a walkthrough experience.
Starting point is 00:08:41 I, like, I lost my mind when I saw this billboard. I was like, how am I only just hearing about it? I cannot wait to go. It's cheaper than Halloween Horror Nights. I was so happy. I was so happy. It's the best thing I've Googled in ages. I couldn't... I was so happy. I'm so happy I can share it
Starting point is 00:08:59 with you and the people. I'm already at Shacktoberfest.com. I love how every attraction at this thing has a daytime thing, and then at night... During the day, you and the people i'm already at shacked over fest.com i love how every sort of like attraction at this thing has like a daytime thing and then it's like and then at night like during the day fun for the family to trick or treat and then at night these spooky motherfuckers will traumatize your fucking little kids so don't fuck around parents like every single thing is like promising like safe for kids but then after eight all bets are off type shit. Get the hell out. You don't want to be here.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Yeah. Oh, I'm fucking. Because usually it was just always, like, spooky Queen Mary. Like, very standard shit they would do at the Queen Mary for Halloween. I remember going once in, like, middle school and being like, this is so underwhelming. Yeah. But now a very lonely Hall of fame basketball player playing. I was just going to say,
Starting point is 00:09:48 this feels driven by loneliness in a way. Remember, remember in the group thread, I sent that picture. Shaq recently talked about how, like how much his infidelities fucked up his personal life. That he's like, I fucking ruined my life.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Like I, the sound of my children saying, daddy, when I come home i this is the biggest thing i miss and and i did this all to myself and when he's giving this interview he's wearing the most unserious like 360 wraparound like cyber shades and like has like a weird poster behind him and you're like you look like a haunted single dad who's now doing edm in his like you know midlife crisis so yeah maybe i do want to you know go and support the big aristotle
Starting point is 00:10:30 yeah no exactly let's get on down to shaktoper fest i think he um he needs it he's gonna need it i think he's also a big halloween fan because he's in well this is a slight spoiler he's in hubie halloween the adam sandler movie that came out two years ago, which, if you have not seen it, fantastic. Underrated, yeah. Completely underrated. I think I've used that as an underrated before, but it was going to be mine today because I watched that on October 1st. That's my tradition. It's so stupid.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Oh, I love it. I love it so much. Oh, man. Jack just left in protest. Yeah, Jack can I love it. I love it so much. And Jack just left in protest. Yeah, Jack can't handle it. He's like, I'm more of a Jordan fan. I wish that like Jordan's holiday castle was around. You guys are really going to like Kurt Rambis Fest.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Nobody. Oh, no, I think his internet died. Oh, no. Well, it was not a protest thing. Uh-oh. How much is it? They're pretty cheap. The standard ticket's only like $35.
Starting point is 00:11:34 The VIP ticket's $100. And you can watch Shaq cry in person. Yeah, I know, exactly. I wonder if one of the attractions is Shaq sobbing over his life's mistakes as like a cautionary tale to people. You're like, you don't want to walk through the den of regrets. Don't be like me. Respect your marriage vows or lead a life of loneliness. And then fucking Ned from the Try Guys is there too.
Starting point is 00:12:03 He's like, whoo. That's exactly. I just want a hoodie with the Shaqtoberfest logo on it. It's so good. Because it's like Shaq has a skeleton. Oh, yeah. Like holding this jack-o'-lantern. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:20 It's really good. Like, I mean, I'm going for the gram. I'm fully. Instagram might be dead dead but this might be it's death rattle to me this will bring it back I can't wait Jack went to go buy his tickets
Starting point is 00:12:37 for Shacktoberfest and to Home Depot but I think he might be back damn it's only fucking two nights or three nights it's only fucking two nights or three nights? Yeah. I don't know. It's a whole month. It's for the whole month, but it's like only it's three, it's four nights a week or
Starting point is 00:12:52 five nights a week. Damn, I don't know how to read numbers. I read 9.9 to 10.31. I was like, that's only two days. I had the same exact thought. Same exact fear. Yeah. Well, and I honestly, I do want to throw it out
Starting point is 00:13:06 as an alternative to Holoscream, which I've never been to Universal for their thing because it's like I've heard that you have to buy the VIP for like 300 bucks. Otherwise, it's not worth it. But it's also completely sold out already.
Starting point is 00:13:19 Yeah. But, you know, at Shacktoberfest, I will say the cheapest ticket is $35. VIP is $100. But if you look at their calendaracktoberfest, I will say the cheapest ticket is $35. VIP is $100. But if you look at their calendar, nothing says selling fast yet. So I think you can, because the billboard literally just went up the other day. I think it's a real last minute. Love the great marketing.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Yeah, exactly. Dude, warn them five, tell them about it six days into the fucking thing. Yeah, exactly. I think the Shacktoberfest website crashed my internet. As I went and was exploring, clicking around, my internet completely went down. I think we're back, but usually this is foreboding. This usually means trouble to come, but we'll see how we hold up.
Starting point is 00:14:06 But I did want to mention on the logo, whose note do you think it was to add a scary snake around his neck? Because it's shackled on a skeleton's body. Very, very clean, straightforward, skeleton hands holding a pumpkin and like scary staff. but then there's a scary snake around his neck which just like i don't i don't associate snakes like you don't go to a
Starting point is 00:14:33 haunted house and like oh no a scary snake came down usually it's like spiders or something snakes are too tropical to yeah it's not hallow Halloween canon at all. Right. Oh, you know, I wonder if, I think Shaq might be afraid of snakes. Yeah, he probably was like, he saw Indiana Jones and was like, yeah, I'm also afraid of snakes. That gave him the courage to admit his phobia. He's like, well, Indiana Jones, I'm so afraid. Yeah. Like, like okay all right you think about how big shack is shack is a 12-foot skeleton himself that that snake must be huge so i mean it's not it's
Starting point is 00:15:13 not an unscary snake but it is oh right oh wait no charles barkley's got because remember if shack would always mess with chuck about his fear of snakes oh oh so he's doing this as a diss he's like i don't know if it is or if maybe secretly does and like during the notes like and this is the logo shack you know like we're ready to print he's like no you're gonna be really scary as a big big snake yeah really we just it's a beautifully rendered logo with just one extra piece thrown on there it doesn't really make sense yeah he's like charles is gonna see this and he'll be jealous i have a i have i have a shaktoper fest and then he'll see that i'm smiling with a snake around me oh shit i'm gonna get some tags yeah exactly what is something you think is overrated madison i think cottagecore is overrated
Starting point is 00:16:02 okay like cottagecore is like basically i mean it's a style of dress but it's also like an entire lifestyle it's basically going back to like you know old school little house on the prairie simple living living off the grid you know making your own bread your own butter living off your trust fund basically yeah because wasn't there like one of those people who were there like yo like i felt there was a cottage core influencer where people like this person has a lot of money like so they're not actually i mean like as they are living off the land they are also have a massive financial safety net i mean oh uh I mean, it's crazy. There's a girl who I follow who's like, I live in this cottage in a mountain range.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And it's like the mountain is owned by her family. Oh, is that the one in Europe? No, she's in Washington. I mean, she's a sweet girl, but I'm like, girl, get out of here. Yeah. I understand that. I mean, she's a sweet girl, but I'm like, girl, get out of here. My name is Cassandra Olympia. Olympia Mountain. Cascadia.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Yes. That's amazing. But wait, what were you going to say about it? I just think it's weird. I think it, you know, I understand like wanting to live more simply. Like my family, my grandmother lived in a trailer in west texas i know about living simply and just having to like make your own food and like go get the water and like what you know all these kind of things but i think it's like it it i worry sometimes like is
Starting point is 00:17:38 this a hop skip and a jump away from like being anti-feminist like trad wife like barefoot and pregnant in the house of with no electricity nothing because right now it's mostly like a feminine aesthetic like the cottagecore we're not seeing like bro cottagecore yet where it's like we're a cottagecore couple and he's out there drinking his homemade mead and swinging an an axe. While plowing the field. That's Portland. That's Portland in a lot of Brooklyn, actually. That's actually there. But you said their homemade mead? That is right there.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah. Yeah, I think any style that is based on, that just completely co-ops like a version of history is probably, I don't know. I feel like fashion is where we get to like maybe pull some elements from history but then combine them to make something new and you know interesting but if it's just you know if it's just like colonial jamestown or you know people people cosplaying i feel like that that's a that's a waste of a fashion movement, personally.
Starting point is 00:18:46 It's just, it's elements of whimsy. It's not a fetishization of fashion or history. Looking back on even, like, rockabilly style, like, when I was a teenager in the early aughts, there was a lot of, like, rockabilly looks, and we were really hearkening back to the 50s. But, like, as an adult, I'm, like, looking back, and I'm like, oh, you mean where they, like, hosed down your grandmother? Right. Where my, like, dad was born in the colored section of the hospital? You mean that 50s? My association with these outfits isn't the warmest of memories.
Starting point is 00:19:19 It's usually them screaming in someone's face and a German shepherd, like, on a leash fucking, like. Attacking children. Yeah. Like, that's what I. But That's, it's funny, though, too, like, even with like the fashion wave haircut, you know, like when everybody was getting like the Hitler youth, like, like fascist hair, and it was like, super fashionable at a time. And it took a few people with like some historical eyeballs, you're like, this is like, y'all are just doing like Hitler youth haircuts, just so you know. And it became then like suddenly like every conservative is like yes i am fascist now thank you i've like it's not like it led to the real reckoning of like gender norms or something progressive and i can't imagine that you know if i saw people dressed up and you know just like when we see this shit on airbnb we're like hey hey, stay in a slave cottage. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, don't even offer the people the idea that they're interacting with such a sordid time in history. But look, cottages are fine. You know, get your gunny sack on.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I guess. You know, whatever. I mean, you can also get married at plantations and stuff like that. Yeah. you can also get married at plantations and stuff like that's yeah it's weird to me that the like in america we don't treat plantation sites or sites of former plantations like they do holocaust memorials like right in germany like it's not dissimilar it's actually quite worse in a lot of ways i mean i don't actually need to wade into that but it's horrible both but we don't even acknowledge that like these atrocities happened here oh yeah of course so weird it's like it's like man remember like simpler times like the dog whistle conservatives talk about
Starting point is 00:20:56 all the time like you know how when things were simpler easier times and it's like well sure for you yeah i'm also not saying that the hollow i'm not trying to compare the holocaust slavery i just want to be clear about that i'm just saying that our country has no acknowledgement chattel slavery was fucking brutal and but when we see the sights of those crimes we do our first as a country the first instinct isn't to go oh my god take you know take a moment to reflect here it's like girl, girl, go run by those fucking columns. I love this. This is where the fucking chariot would pull up.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Yeah. They're like, take pictures for your Instagram here. Yeah. Which, I mean, to be honest, look, that shit's happening also at Holocaust memorials where people have no fucking decency or concept of like decorum where people are like planking on top of. Oh, my God. Wild. Yeah. Didn't Ryan Reynolds, America's most likable man, get married in on a plantation?
Starting point is 00:21:52 Yeah. To his wife, Blake Lively. Right. He's Canadian, man. See, he's trouble. I knew it. Yeah. I mean, Canadians weren't that innocent during that time.
Starting point is 00:22:01 No, no. Both. Be clear about that. Both colonizing freaks out here. What's something you think is underrated? Okay, underrated. I would say a DJ at your wedding. The people that come up to me
Starting point is 00:22:17 and they say, I got a band. I paid the extra money and we got it, buddy. The band. Well, guess what? The band takes breaks and the band is they have varying levels of talent and the the band doesn't do any jackson five right
Starting point is 00:22:36 the band whatever the band is there's no band on earth that is as diverse as i would like no band on earth that is as diverse as I would like a wedding playlist to be. Right. I went to a wedding in Philly and they did not play Let Me Clear My Throat.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Oh! It's because the band didn't know it. We were hoping for more of a Motown Philly vibe. Yeah, you just need a few... Yes, a Detroit Philly. I said East Coast Swing earlier. I know. I appreciated it, Jack. Don't worry. Back in school, we used
Starting point is 00:23:14 to dream of matches every day. Sounds like they could have used you on the mic. So, anyway, you know, the bands are nice, but when I'm at you just, the bands are nice, but, uh, when I'm at a wedding, nothing,
Starting point is 00:23:27 nothing a band is doing makes me like run to the dance floor. Right. Unless, okay. Yeah. I've been to one wedding where the band was so fucking good. I couldn't believe it. Like they were like,
Starting point is 00:23:38 we're fucking killing it. Like they did Taylor Swift and then hit like cool in the gang seamlessly. And you're like, Oh fuck. They were really good. Damn son. Where'd you find those? Well,
Starting point is 00:23:49 it's even wilder this week. So I was at a wedding too this weekend. It was a little, what was wild is they hired a DJ who comes with a drummer, a trombone player, and the DJ plays sax. So he'll be like playing shit. And then he'll just,
Starting point is 00:24:04 watch me. watch, I took a video because this shit was so wild this is them doing house music but this dude is ripping a trombone oh shit, I just fucked up my whole mic, hold up oh no, no shit, I just fucked him real bad
Starting point is 00:24:18 we're not getting that video not a chance. This thing got me so turnt up. Okay, now I got to show you this band. Just listen. You know this track they're playing, too. Like...
Starting point is 00:24:33 This is the DJ and the trombone player playing this shit. And, like, moving around a little bit. Yeah, this dude was getting his check. Yeah. Dude, so many songs. The trombone player would come out of nowhere and just like rip a trombone solo to like fucking crazy in love and shit. Damn, that is a great idea. That's fucking incredible.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Yeah. That blew my mind. I think that is such a great endorsement for what you're talking about, Nick. And also the other big endorsement that Miles just said was that he's been to one wedding where the band actually like Miles goes to a wedding every weekend. He is the most popular human being I know. He's always invite me. I say, hey, we're getting married. I'll show up.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Is that a good guy? I won't eat. Is he going on? I won't eat. I won't eat. He goes on Twitter and just searches, we're getting married, and then tries to make fast friends.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Like how people would, like, Zoom bomb in the early pandemic when trolls just look for loose Zoom links on Twitter. You're in the back of every engagement photo popping over a bush. And I'm like, man, this band's good. They're like, where did you get that chicken from? the back of every engagement photo popping over a bush and i'm like man this band good out of the whole out of his whole wedding crasher career that but that was amazing like it was just kind of like they knew how to use the instruments like that were like horn or brass based and just like accentuate and that was fantastic this band was a a whole a bunch of old lawyers. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Literally old lawyers. That's the other thing you look for in a good band. Yeah, like 70s rock music. And that description sounds bad. Yes. But I will say they were incredible at what they did. Right. Playing 70s rock covers. The first song was like I could have sworn that guy
Starting point is 00:26:27 Was Neil Young had come out he was doing a Neil Young and I was like and they were all really great at their instruments But at one point the guy the lead singer said People say people complain that all of our music Everyone that wrote it is dead But so we do have one newer song and we're gonna play it right now and they played wagon wheel wagon wow rock me mama like a wagon wheel that one you know i don't know it's like 15 years old oh right like to like, but guess who's not dead? Three, four. On a dark desert highway.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Cool wind in my hair. Yo, what the fuck? Three out of the five of them are alive. They're still here. So fuck that. Eagles never die. Never die. Never die.
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Starting point is 00:29:37 of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them. Why is that? I just come here to play basketball every single day,
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Starting point is 00:30:08 Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my
Starting point is 00:30:37 new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the Biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? The Boone County Rebels will stay the Boone County Rebels with the image of the Biscuits.
Starting point is 00:30:55 It's right here in black and white in the prints of a lion. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch is a leader. You choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I'd just take all the other stuff out of it.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:31:30 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And yeah, I just wanted to, you know, your background is, you know, working in unions and that does feel like a mainstream media narrative where there is some progress being made, right? We're starting to see public opinion shift towards people understanding the value of having strong unions. But I just wanted to kind of, when I heard you talk about your story, like unions played a big part. And just can you speak to that a little bit
Starting point is 00:32:12 of how you've seen the value of unions? Yeah, I would say that it feels, we have a moment of arrival with the union, which is great. Yeah, I don't know what's changed, but I don't know. It's so interesting because it's, if you look at unions, the only place where they've grown really is, is California, New York, Oregon, and Washington. At least that's always been the narrative for me growing up. But I do think that the sort of the income inequality that young folks are facing, I mean, younger,
Starting point is 00:32:46 I'm 39, but younger folks, you know, coming out of college to find jobs that, you know, paying minimum wage, student debt. I think all those things have really shaped, you know, the corporate greed, you know, Jeff Bezos being so wealthy and people having so little. I think people see the union as like one of the main vehicles to try to change that i think it's very inspiring but but yeah and of course you know chris mawes and that victory was really phenomenal for the new yorkans out there it was amazing it really captivated people's imagination i think yeah yeah and i i feel like there's just a flagging of enthusiasm for the market do its thing and it's going
Starting point is 00:33:45 to take care of everything. And I feel like starting in 2008, we're starting to see kind of a flagging of that. And now just hearing more and more stories of people, like I think you talked about your first experience where you were thinking about going to college and you were instead kind of asked to play a part with a hotel workers union and just like the night and day difference you saw between you know how the bosses and the the powers that be in that instance treated you right like when once there was the possibility of organization. Can you talk about that story a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. So it was my last year at college. I was a working student. So I worked this non-union hotel job all the way through high school and college. And
Starting point is 00:34:40 my senior year, I'm getting ready to go to law school. And I was literally doing my LSAT prep course and I had it booked. I was going to take it in June or July. And the union came to my workplace. They said, you know, we want to, want to organize. I met with the organizer, you know, just to give the story very quickly, you know, we, we were doing on this under secret and finally came the day where we revealed ourselves, that we were organizing the union. And we came in with like 35, 40 workers demanding respect. And I was off that day. And so I came and I did that and I left.
Starting point is 00:35:17 And then a few days later, I came back to work and I thought I was going to get fired. I was like, oh, they're going to fire me. I don't know what's going to happen. And it was quite the opposite. The managers was like, oh, they're going to fire me. You know, I don't know what's going to happen. And it was quite the opposite, right? The managers were like, what did we do wrong? You know, how can we make it better? What can we do for you? And for me, it was very clear because I was always very outspoken as a worker.
Starting point is 00:35:37 My managers would try to say things and I'd be like, actually, you know, the law says this. You know, because they knew I was going to go going to go to, I was going to law school, but it never changed the way they treated me. And cause they understood we have the power. We have the power, right? We can write you up. We can discipline you, you, you know, who cares, right? But it wasn't until we did this collective action that they were freaked out. You know, they just, they just completely started respecting us. And so eventually we won our first contract and, and, you know, people didn't have health insurance. Now they had health insurance. We had low wages, you know, used to beg to get a 25 cent raise, you know, 50 cent raise. We were getting like, we got dollar raises for the first time, you know,
Starting point is 00:36:21 and all these amazing things. And I was like, wow, like collective power works. And, uh, it was just so life-changing for me. And I think people that go through that experience, it's sort of like, uh, it's an awakening. It's like, wow, like I, it can actually change the conditions that were, that, you know, that are around us every single day. And so, uh, so yeah, it became my life's calling. That's really cool. Yeah, and I feel like that really does tie into, like on this show,
Starting point is 00:36:54 we try and pay attention to the zeitgeist and it does feel like there is a just general waking up to the reality of the situation that when corporate power has nothing to oppose them, they are going to do things that are bad for people, you know, and just good for the bottom line if unchecked. So, yeah, it is definitely good to see that. And hopefully, you know, you and everybody can kind of keep up, keep up that fight. So I. So I want to take a quick look, quick trip into the past to look at something that I had never thought about,
Starting point is 00:37:33 but that was sort of a local battle in the 1920s that has really shaped the world we live in, and that is jaywalking laws. So this is in the news because California will soon decriminalize jaywalking, the traffic violation, not the Jay Leno Tonight Show segment, which should be made illegal. I think they should do just a trade of that jaywalking is illegal, this jaywalking is no longer. But the Freedom to Walk police to go after marginalized and low income residents. as like a young adult growing up of being like, oh, you know, you can get arrested for jaywalking, but you cross the street, no one's ever bothered you. Like are, the reason they're decriminalizing it now
Starting point is 00:38:52 is because they are still actively picking up people on the sides of the road. Like, is it that you can get arrested for being on the side of the road? Is it that you can be arrested for just, cause I always think of it as like, you're crossing the sidewalk when it says red light, you know. But now that I've been, you know, kind of perusing the dock, it seems to me that they can and will target unhoused people often of jaywalking, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:39:16 But really, it's just because they don't want them around. Right. Yeah. I mean, so I think this is in California is an example of of actual progress and people recognizing that this has just been in 2019, 90 percent of illegal walking tickets issued mean most people don't have cars and most people can't you know like they have to get wherever they need to go and that's crazy to me to think that i could ever be ticketed in a city like new york where everybody is fragrantly on the street at all times right and and the laws actually don't do anything to protect people. Like in the UK, for example, jaywalking isn't illegal. But in 2011, they had half as many pedestrian deaths per 100,000 people as in the US. So I think it's like the question that this raised to me is not like, why are they making this legal now? and more why why was this ever a thing like how
Starting point is 00:40:26 did this ever become a thing that you that they can police and arrest you based on like where you are walking and how you are walking it does beg the question of i i don't know if it was just offline conversations i've been having over the week or also I feel like we were talking about it when it comes to like the white flight and the suburbs and how suburbs are so designed for you not to be like walkable. They're like walkable in the neighborhood, so to speak. But like, if you were to walk to the other neighborhood, you can't really do that. Like you need a vehicle. Like, is it also to police people in the suburbs so that there aren't fragrant, you know, people in those neighborhoods, you think? I'm sure. I'm sure there that is. It's used in that way. Like the police use any law as a tool to, you know, go after whoever they want to go after. But it actually. So before the the 1920s everybody could use the streets
Starting point is 00:41:27 which crazy concept it does seem crazy to me like it seems i really like as somebody who is coming to the point and you know my kids lives where i'm trying to you know i i lived in the suburbs in not a big city, like a suburb of Dayton, Ohio. And my life was spent just getting on a bike and riding around in the streets. And my parents were just like, all right, be back when it's dark. And the idea of my kids just going out and being able to ride around on bikes like i i feel like i have to like go to an abandoned parking lot to like teach them how to ride a bike and there's just so like it it doesn't even and and even walking around our neighborhood you know there's just so like the cars really own the streets in most major cities.
Starting point is 00:42:26 And this is all the result of the 1920s. So the thing that happened was, you know, in the 1920s, cars were basically seen as a rich person's like hobby. They were like yachts because they're so expensive. They were like yachts because they're so expensive. And they started running over mostly children and elderly people in cities. And so the cities at a local level fought back. Cincinnati had a big referendum where they tried to make it so that cars could not go over 25 miles per hour, just at the like manufacturing level. They were like, please, this is, you're killing people. And that resulted in the automakers kind of coming together, you know, taking their own collective action and creating, you know, affecting these laws. and because there wasn't like collective action on behalf of children and elderly people who just want to be able to walk down like in their neighborhood they were able to slowly over the course of 100 years just like create the world
Starting point is 00:43:39 that we have now where it's very strict pedestrian controls they invented jaywalking they did like a marketing campaign so jay used to be a term for like hick like and so they oh wow yes everything stems from a derogatory at some point yeah so they like created this marketing campaign and like there were there were they like hired a Santa Claus at one point to heckle people for not walking legally. And in the city like there they hired clowns to cross the road and in some cases like ran them with cars to make jaywalking seem foolish. Like there was this large scale mass like culture brainwashing marketing thing that happened. culture, brainwashing, marketing thing that happened. And it just slowly over the course of 100 years took hold to the point that I like never really even considered the possibility of a world where, you know, my kids could just like go out and roam the streets of LA on a bike and
Starting point is 00:44:40 like be safe from getting run over by a car. But like that, that is that is the status quo that we were starting from. But because of the way that things operate in the U.S., because there was money to be made by car makers, there was a massive cultural or, you know, both cultural and political move by them over the course of years to create the world that we have now, where you feel like you're in danger of both being arrested or getting hit by a car, and it would be your fault if you just want to cross your street. Wow. This is incredible. Incredible history you're talking about. Because I think, I mean, it's funny, like when I grew up, just being raised and living in the city,
Starting point is 00:45:24 you just assumed the streets were for the cars, right? That's it. Especially in a city like L.A. Yeah. Like L.A. is such a big car place. I grew up in the suburbs of Texas, but my family grew up in L.A. and New York. And I felt very similarly where it's like in my very specific, I lived on a cul-de-sac, but my parents purposely picked a cul-de-sac house so that we could be in the cul-de-sac safe. And because they were worried if we lived on like
Starting point is 00:45:50 a house that was more on the street part of, you know, the neighborhood that we could get hit or whatever by just like biking out. But like in the cul-de-sac, at least people have to like come all the way down there and see people and slow down before they like make the spin. But I also have a hovercraft mom. Love you. You know, she didn't let me out anywhere. all the way down there and see people and slow down before they like make the spin. But I also have a hovercraft mom. Love you. You know, she didn't let me out anywhere. She was Hawkeye at all times yelling at people for driving too fast at all times. And but yeah, I definitely grew up in a place where I'm like, I will until I moved to a real city or not even a real city, I moved to Portland when I graduated college. And that was the first time that I was like, whoa, you can like walk around
Starting point is 00:46:30 in a city. Like you can like, you can like get from point A to point B by your feet. Like never knew what that was like. I always thought I had to get a car to drive 10 minutes somewhere because it just like simply was not safe to like walk anywhere in Texas. Yeah. And it's, it is, you know, the, the stuff that when, when we talk about like acting locally, but like a lot of times the foe that you're operating against is power, powerful and either, you know, national or international, you know? And so that's just the, the organizing on behalf of people and, you people and the communication and having media that isn't just straight up controlled by the same profit motive. discuss this problem was headed by Herbert Hoover, who was then the secretary of commerce to create a model traffic law that could be used by cities across the country. But due to their
Starting point is 00:47:32 influence, the product of those meetings was largely based off traffic laws in L.A., which had already kind of enacted the strict pedestrian controls in 1925. So these powerful people are acting on behalf of the most powerful thing in the country, which is whatever is going to make the most money. Well, the government and the government acts on behalf of whoever's going to make the most money. You know, Herbert Hoover wasn't acting on behalf of like the the children who had lost a sibling to because you know somebody was racing around on their horseless carriage he was acting on behalf of the you know he was the secretary of commerce so his job was to act on behalf of commerce and and that became you know he became president so well and it's one of those I mean, it's a tale as old as time in American history of like, well, it's not going to affect me because I have money.
Starting point is 00:48:31 You know, it's like those people in power and those very high seats that pockets are lined by all these different, you know, head honchos and investors and things like that. At the end of the day, they're like, whatever I do to make a decision that is benefiting my pockets, I know even though it's abhorrent and it's going to hurt children or whatever, they're not going to hurt my children because I have the money to fix this problem in my home, which is so fucked up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Well, I find it very interesting that people are starting to deconstruct the laws that were created over time and the facts like this. I thank the Internet for this, because imagine growing up, all we had was Britannica in the library. So the fact we have so much information now, we can actually dissect it and look at it. But I think the very interesting thing is how, you know, sort of the sort of how white supremacy and these laws show up in the policing. And so I'm very proud
Starting point is 00:49:29 that we did this in California. Hopefully it could be a model for folks because they do target Black and Brown folks or working class folks. Yeah. I mean, even Super Producer put in the chat,
Starting point is 00:49:41 Tupac sued the Oakland Police Department for $10 million for stopping him while jaywalking and choking him out for resisting arrest. Like, black and brown, no matter the pocket size. That is absolutely insane. Yeah. And I think you're right that we're starting a movement in the opposite direction. We're starting to see movement in the opposite direction of people having access to more information than they would have in the past when you know in the 1920s like it's there there aren't like a bunch of like radical zines or you know the radio shows were like brought to you by
Starting point is 00:50:18 geritol and they were just like you know cowboy shows or some shit so yeah hopefully hopefully this can kind of we can kind of continue this this movement in this direction and you know small victories at a local level today like could you know if you look at how different things went from the 1920s to the 2020s where used to be people could walk around and feel safe walking around and when you know the ultra wealthy were running children you know the the children of poor underrepresented people down in their yachts like that there was a backlash and and now we live in a world where that that seems completely out of out of bounds like maybe with this new access to information and new movements at the local level like small victories now can create
Starting point is 00:51:12 a future that is unrecognizable to us a hundred years from now in in a good way hopefully yeah yeah absolutely knock on wood all right let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and talk about the thing that i think everybody's really wanting to hear go weigh in on mario's dumper i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and i'm cleo gray former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and L.A.-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers, church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted,
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Starting point is 00:53:36 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really near them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day, and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch.
Starting point is 00:54:11 She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network,
Starting point is 00:54:32 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits.
Starting point is 00:54:55 I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? The Boone County Rebels will stay the Boone County Rebels with the image of the biscuits. It's right here in black and white in the prints. A lion. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch. As a leader, you choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I'd just take all the other stuff out of it.
Starting point is 00:55:20 On segregation academies, when civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back and yeah so the the sports cheating story that caught my attention over the weekend was the the poker one and basically it just doesn't doesn't make sense like when you
Starting point is 00:55:56 when you look into it if you've seen it but haven't had the patience to like look into it like for her to have cheated on this hand she would have had to have known what cards were coming essentially because like she made decisions as if she knew what cards were coming and that's like impossible so well can you tell us what was in her hand at the time it was like a jack four i think okay so the other guy had an eight nine straight draw like possibility and so that are a straight flush possibility and so they people were like you never you never like stand on a hand against something like that unless you could see his cards and like knew exactly what's happening but everybody who i've seen who is a rational
Starting point is 00:56:45 person and does not seem to be at least partially motivated by misogyny is like even if she knew what his cards were it didn't make sense for her to stay in so knowing what his cards were like she either misread her hand didn't like kind of made a mistake and was just didn't really know what she was doing and then was kind of bluffing and talking shit to act like she did it all on purpose but it doesn't it doesn't matter there's no cheating that's how like right like that's what games of chance are about and like for him to that the big thing is that he then like she was pulled aside by the organizer organizer of the tournament and this player who she beat and they like basically intimidated her into giving the money back right and he's like
Starting point is 00:57:33 see she cheated she wouldn't have given the money back if if if she hadn't cheated yeah or maybe just she was being harassed by a bunch of men and she felt like he's like the most powerful player in the tournament and everyone's like he does a lot for the sport of poker. But I don't know. Anyways, that's it's not really worth looking into if you if you have it. And it's just like it seems like it's misogyny. And so we're losing. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:56 To me, it's more like this dude couldn't fathom that. Maybe she just read your ass. Like maybe she just knew how to fucking get you to slowly start raising. Right. And and then just figured you out. I don't don't know and he's like there's no fucking way that could happen because i'm a guy she's cheating and i haven't seen any evidence but in this scandal i'm about to talk about we have some there's some fucking evidence and the shit i had no i okay so i'm right now i'm just gonna we talked about the chess vibrating asshole scandal we've talked about potentially vibrating pants gate in the poker world.
Starting point is 00:58:27 This is from another sports tournament over the weekend. I'm not going to say the sport right now. I just want you to listen to the fucking anger from this clip when people have found out that someone who won this tournament was cheating. He needs to be arrested. He needs to be prosecuted. Call the cops. Call the fucking cops. So death motherfucker. No theft. Theft.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Oh, yeah. Although they were talking like it could have been death, too. Yeah, that was from a walleye fishing tournament in Ohio. a walleye fishing tournament in ohio the reason that people are screaming fucking murder is because the organizer of the tournament noticed something was amiss well with the caught fish that the tournament's winners had presented when they like they had to weigh the fish so he got his knife out cut the fucking fish open and pulled out a bunch of lead weights like you can see it in the clip the guy's just slicing them open i'll play the clip for you because when they're also slicing the things open the fucking like it it goes to a whole other level when people realize the guy just gutted it and pulled fucking lead weights out
Starting point is 00:59:34 he's opening it now gutting it he's about to pull him out so a ton of lead weights in the fish's stomachs that were hidden and you don't know that the fish didn't eat them that's true you're right And how did they also eat other fillets of other walleyes? Do they have a fillet knife and then they cannibalize each other? Because another fish was just stuffed with more walleye, like fillets. They were stuffed with other fish fillets and
Starting point is 01:00:17 a pair of pliers. The fish fillets are a good idea. The fish fillets are a good idea. I also read another one where people stuff a bunch of bait into their stomach so that then you can just argue. People will stuff with ice so their evidence melts after they weigh.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Right. There's so many ways to do this, right? The thing is, these guys have been winning over $2 million over their careers. They were about to walk off with 30 000 that day if they if no one was wise to their shit but and like with the entry fees being between like the hundreds of dollars and thousands of dollars you can see why these guys are fucking pissed because you get a boat there's fucking sponsorships there's
Starting point is 01:01:00 all this money that comes along with like winning these tournaments and a lot of people have been like i don't fucking get it. These fucking guys. One of the fishermen was like, I caught a fish the exact same like length, but their shit was like two pounds heavier than mine. And so this there's been some suspicion. And apparently cheating and fishing is such a huge problem. I didn't know that like to the point where in Texas there are laws specifically to cover this kind of shit. Like it is a class a
Starting point is 01:01:25 misdemeanor or a third degree felony to do that defrauding a fishing tournament with prizes between or that are more than ten thousand dollars carries a maximum fine of ten thousand dollars and a possible 10 years in state prison wow so they don't fuck around no i heard i heard some other ways to cheat at fishing too where people will have friends bring them fish out in the water. Or they'll hide cages under the water.
Starting point is 01:01:53 And they bring them up there. And they recover from the cages with the pre-stuffed fish. I have a friend dress up as a fish and then catch him and bring him in. And I'm like, that motherfucker is 180 pounds. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:02:07 guys, I'm a fucking hundred. Look at me. I'm 150 pound giant fucker. It's Tim Robinson in a fish costume. Yo, I just don't understand how this went on for so long because everyone thought it and everyone kind of knew it. And they never once took a knife to a fish.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Never once. I mean, and then when they bring it out, it once took a knife to a fish. Never once. And then when they bring it out, it's got multiple giant weights in it. The weights is really... They got lazy. The weight to beat was 16 pounds and they came in at 33 pounds. What were they doing? Why was this
Starting point is 01:02:40 so much? Too much dip on their chip. That's what everyone said. They were swinging for the fences in ways like, this't physically they weren't even gonna get more money yeah you just had to be sick just had to beat them by a fucking fraction of whatever the and then wait like the way because you don't see the guy's face in the video that's the one problem but the guy that just got caught you see him from oh you can see him. He just stands there. He's just, you can tell. He's looking at him. That's, oh, here.
Starting point is 01:03:07 There's a frame of him from the side. Just his profile. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, he knows. He can't even process what's happening. Oh, man. He's looking. Yeah, these guys are in his ear right now.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Like, do you just walk away? Do you just, you gotta kill yourself. He is just absolutely still and expressionless with a little bit of a downturned hang dog look. Like, imagine you're literally LeBron James. And then someone comes in, you know, and they're like, oh, actually, this guy's wearing like false legs. These are illegal. He's got rocket stills and he's playing with a remote control ball yeah yeah but then no you're just
Starting point is 01:03:47 but fucking pete rose i don't know they even have shit where like you know the like there will be observers on the boat sometimes to make sure that people aren't cheating but apparently people will bribe these people too to be like yo you didn't say shit well yeah also they go to the bathroom and you stuff up wait in like they can't just be there the whole time get a camera and then you also take polygraph too they take polygraph tests like the anglers will take polygraph tests after the fact too but again come on i mean if you've ever like hung out with fishermen or like fished before and like talked to somebody like does it for a living you recognize that they are maybe the biggest liars in the like they're professional liars
Starting point is 01:04:32 like they're like lawyer level professional liars where that's like fishing tail like to tell them the tale the one that got away and all that stuff like that our culture is like shot through with cliches about what liars fishermen are. So yeah, if this is the first time they cut open their fish, I'm a little disappointed in the integrity of the governing body. Yeah, not one tournament had a big magnet that they slapped the fish against and see if it sticks. I don't think lead would react to a magnet. Jesus, Nick. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:05:05 I got to get out of here. I have to go read my Civil War magazine. You need to go look at your fucking periodic table of elements, fam. Californium. That's wild. So are these guys, are they? The guy has a look on his face like he's counting the number of, like trying to do the math on like how quickly he could run to his presumably f-150 and just like get the
Starting point is 01:05:31 fuck out of there he's also got to be thinking it's like of places to bury his money because he is about to lose everything right yeah and also like it's true like they're on like on reddit i went on like the like r slash fishing just to be like i got the take from like general reddit and i was like what's fishing reddit gotta say and like they're people all talking about these guys pass and they felt that like the last couple events people were getting more suspicious so like it might have just been like boiled over this tournament where they're like no fucking no like we were willing to maybe not sully the game by like accusing you of cheating then.
Starting point is 01:06:06 But apparently this was just a bridge too far. Yeah. Like the other thing that people were saying was like, you know, the the organizers are probably going to seek restitution for like the prize money that's come from like because they won the previous year's tournament and are probably going to investigate what's gone on there. And these guys have been, you know, they've been caught before. So it's just fucking.
Starting point is 01:06:26 I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt on the previous year's tournament. They're just better at fishing. Come on. So what, you got a $45,000 boat. Fine. Fine. But it's wild too to see like, again, in the commentary, people like, this is what's wrong with the sport, man.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Like we're out there trying to be honorable. And then, but to your point, Jack, I'm like, are you guys all know? Like it's all about like verifying things that are very easy to like switch it up on people. All right. That's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show if you like the show. Means the world to Miles. He needs your validation, folks.
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