The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - DLS Classic: Scape Goat or Sacrificial Lamb with Mina Kimes

Episode Date: December 28, 2023

Andre 3000 is dropping a new album, but it's all flute. How does Draymond keep getting away with this? Then Mina Kimes returns with a brand spankin new backdrop to discuss what's wrong in Buffalo, merging families for Thanksgiving, Justin Herbert, her likability compared to other show personalities and misunderstood defensive statistics. Plus Amin's Top 5 Evil Billionaires. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's all instrumental, but is it all flute? I believe it's all flute. That is... That is exotic. That was the laugh of Dugati. I believe if I tell anybody out here, i say andre 3000 i mean super creative super already but i can't separate him from big boy i it's either it's outcast or nothing for me and i like

uh... the big boy music that he's made individually away from andre 3000 but for me i just associate the two with each other is Is everyone making jokes? Is anyone gonna give this a chance on Friday or is everyone making jokes about, I'm not gonna listen to an album that is meditative, that is spiritual, that is meant to be instrumental? I'm gonna give it a chance for sure.

I think it's gonna be amazing just because it's Andre 3000. I'm in. I don't, I mean, we got a lot of music about a lot of things right now, but we don't have a lot of music about a lot of things right now But we don't have a lot of flute about a lot of things so next one points instead of million times all take We don't have like we put it on the pole please, dude you bring back the flute. Yes or no at Levitard show I mean is back and he's rushed in here with a list of billionaires most evil billionaires

Have you guys seen the track list for Andre 3000's upcoming album because right off the top, he addresses everyone's concerns because the name of track one is Iceware. I really wanted to make a rap album, but this is literally the way the wind blew me at the time. And all of the, are all of the tracks that long

and that they're all pretty wordy. Explain it. There is one that gets right to the point. And awesome. There is all pretty wordy. Explain it. There is one that gets right to the point. And awesome. There is one that gets right to the point. If you could throw it up again, ants to you, gods to who. Oh, deep grub. I don't know how I was.

Hold on, hold on. Track three looks pretty descriptive. Let me try reading that. That night in Hawaii, when I turned into a panther and started making these low register purring sounds that I couldn't control. Shit was wild. Oh, I'm actually really in on this. I want to hear that.

That song is a flute. Let's go. Give me a second, guys. I want to read number seven. As Emmanuel Ocho, and to you, God's to who? I'd rather hear it as DMX.

I need to lose it. To this DMX. Lucy is supportive. But yes, you did need Lucy yesterday, but it was plenty good. Whenever your manual outro not reading, you're exceptional. A manual outro reading you struggle some with because you can't get that deeply into character reading when you have to give it so much thought. I listened yesterday and I thought you did a great job.

The inflection was very good. Thank you. I will tell people as a tease to the Marcellis Wiley South Beach session that we're doing tomorrow that he sets a manual atro on fire. Just set him on fire. But then, dreams once buried beneath the dungeon floor slowly sprout into undying gardens. Here's an example. You're here's an example.

It's a great crutch. It saves almost every time he uses every time that he loses confidence in the impression he just goes. Here's an example. It pulls me right back in. It's the antiquado. It's the Sasha Mjeltma Lea. It's the antiquado. It's the Sasha Mishalpma Leop. It's the, you know, like they all have, you mean it's hell, like they all have one phrase, one question I got to come back to.

And for all to us, here's an example. One of the things about your impersonations is that most of them are best as limited fakes. It's when we start expanding them, a little bit more, and testing them that you start going to the boundaries of the limits of your confidence. Hey, I mean, what ended the dinosaurs?

The ice age. It's the dinosaurs, not dinosaurs. Those, before we get to a means, most evil billionaires list, I did want to get his thoughts on, you know, Rudy Gober said, anytime Steph's not out there, Dremons going to get ejected. And I think it was Haberstrow that ran some of the numbers. Seven of his last 11 ejections are Steph's not playing in that game. And Dremons like, I'm a champion, I'm frustrated. I don't feel like playing either

Why do I have to play and he might just be getting ejected because the games don't matter if Steph's not there and that team has done plenty of winning The five game suspension. What was your thought on all of that given that Dremont has a resume that is unlike anyone else's in the league when it comes to dirty play and is in the league when it comes to dirty play and just nonsense. Let me just say this. If the NBA commissioner job was up for election, I would be running OPPO stuff against Adam Silver all the time by how he's soft on crime, because five games for a guy with a noted history of violence

seems a little light, right? Particularly given the circumstances. It wasn't, hey, he got fouled hard and gotten to somebody's space and they started shoving and next thing you know, we got a fight. It was an altercation that had nothing to do with the guy he attacked and he ran across the floor and it happened a hundred seconds into the game. That's a level of, oh, he came to fight. And to me, as a league, I look at that and I say, five games is the punishment for that. For me to take out someone that I've been wanting to take out for a while. That doesn't seem like a strong enough detriment

to other guys who have problems with people. I find super interesting, the conflict that royals at the center of Dremond gets rewarded for all of the things Dremond has been. They are not punishments, and yet still, Dremond feels like he is persecuted and a victim and someone who's over punished. My guess is that whenever his pod comes out and he gets the attention that comes with being the electric, the high wire that is you are a player that under other circumstances could not nearly be this famous, but you are rewarded for being how you are at every turn with contract, with champion, with the team was given to you, with you have earned your ego as a defensive player, but yet gets to play the victim as well, persecuted by the league. He gets rewarded for one word that you said out of all those words. Champion. Because he wins.

If he played for the Detroit Pistons for the last decade of his career, basically, we wouldn't talk about him like this. Now, maybe the Pistons would be a lot better team, but the reality is when you do this, yes, you get carte blanche. Freaking Dennis Rodman goes to North Korea and says, Hey, Kim, not such a bad guy. And we don't persecute him or whatever. We're like, ah, that's just Dennis being Dennis. Dennis can't do that without five rings. If Dennis, if Kenneth Forede did what Dennis Rodman did,

he'd be vilified. What I'm asking you, I guess, is how does punishment become deterrent if you keep getting rewarded for things? You get five games and $700,000 in fines. That is a deterrent for most people on earth, but Dremont can just manufacture it into more money. Like Dremont can lose the money over here and make it over here by just talking and controlling all his own media rights. Well, that's someone who figured out how to game the system, how to turn negatives in into positives.

Theoretically, everyone could do that. You could suck your own podcast, Ken Fried, because I just bought up his name and do all those things. But the reality is, no, because Dremont has a personality and is not afraid to share. And so he's able to capitalize on that. I don't think it's a case of he's being rewarded. I think it's a case of someone finding

the off ramp for the punishment. My saying that he's being rewarded is you cannot dispute if you're listening to this, that all the things that Dremon Green has been in his career, controversial, flammable, everything else has resulted in Dremmond green getting all of the treasures that sports fame can provide no it's not all the bad things he's done it's all the good things all the winning he's done that's led to that what he's

done is when the bad things happen he makes lemonade out of those limits he's not being rewarded for the bad behavior then he's mainly merely finding a way to turn the bad behavior into positive. They've got other guys on that roster who have won multiple championships and when have they been vilified. No, but they're not getting these rewards. It's not just because Dremont Green wins.

It's because Dremont Green wins and he's not as cuddly as the other guys on that team. The other guys on that team make the Apple documentary that's super boring, that Steph Curry's more excellent at what he does than anybody is, but he's not as interesting as Dremont. And I think that's the point, is the point is he hasn't figured out how to make his lemonade like Bain-On-Hes.

You really like your lemonade. Dremon-Aid. Why are you pleased with that? Lemon-Drate. That was good. Hey, yo. Nope. Ha ha ha. Donramanade. Why are you pleased with that lemon drape? That was good. Hey, yo. No, Don Lebatard. I actually thought you'd look kind of good. Yeah, still gots. Thank you. I had a beard's grown out a little bit I got a little life in my face. I feel like little 10 Colorado San Francisco. Great time. You get life on your face

You got death on your face. I think you've got 40 to life on your face You've got death on your face. Look at what has happened here. She has Lenny. She what is happening behind you? This is a great commercial advertisement for one of the hottest football podcasts anywhere in America. The Meena Kind Show with Lenny. When did you get this set up?

Tell me all about this new production value that you have as you've skyrocketed to the top of sports media. Is getting a roll down background skyrocketed to the top of sports media. Is getting a roll down background skyrocketing to the top of sports media? Do you want to, well, this isn't that entertaining for anyone listening? Is that Mount Rainier? Hold on a second. She's going to take this apart.

This is always good. Yes, yes. The illusion is gone. The illusion is gone. What? What? What? What?

It's a, you guys don't recognize the sign the reference. Yeah, it's like Seattle fish market. Yeah. Yeah. At least just returned. She just returned from Seattle. Lucy, I'd like you to run your theory by Mina because Mina's kind of proud of Seattle and Lucy is here to alleged that the people of Seattle are something less than warm. Hold up. I love Seattle. Yes. Thank you. I love Seattle.

It was beautiful. It was awesome. I would go back. However, Seattle frees. That's a real thing, right? Seattle frees sort of like Minnesota nice, but not nice is what you're saying. Yes. They were nice that they weren't friendly.

Yeah. That's exactly how people think of us as a star. My husband and I were just having this conversation because both of our families are converging for Thanksgiving now that we have a baby that's the kind of thing that happens that never used to happen before. And we were talking about the difference between our extended families and this was the key distinction. Both nice, both very polite.

His family, Philadelphia, Italian, very warm, gigarius, my family, Pacific Northwest, good people, nice people, not the warmest people. We could not get anyone to talk to us outside of the Seahawks stadium. We were like begging people to do interviews and it was just no, no, no, no. A lot of no thank yous though. So, yeah, yeah, it's like that infamous post-superboss celebration where everybody was waiting to cross the street in downtown Seattle. There was like a video that went viral. Yeah.

Yes, Chris. Merging families for Thanksgiving, dangerous game. The most of this. Is it? The most of this? How is it a dangerous game? You know, like, everyone's used to doing their holidays the way they do it. And when you change it up, it's just the first ones always.

I'm just saying, it might work out well. Maybe you guys all do holidays the same, but it can be a dangerous game. I think the only danger that I foresee is that everybody wants to hold the baby, right? Like right now we've got James Cook, the Tavius Murray situation in the backfield and there's one ball and both moms want those carries. And they're both really nice and really polite. the most serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious and serious

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And I've been upstairs in my, since I was a child, frankly, another great thing about having our families here is they can watch the baby and I will disappear for periods of time with no repercussions. I want to tackle a little bit of football with her because her information, the Mina time show with Lenny is stronger than most information that you will find anywhere. So help me first with this one, because I love watching Justin Herbert play, and I can't believe how excellent the chargers are at losing. They produce the fourth most efficient offensive game of the season last weekend, and they lose to the team that produces the third most efficient offensive game of the season. Explain to me what is happening

with the chargers and give me the most accurate analysis you can on Justin Herbert, who I believe to be one of the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen. It's not that complicated. They have one of the worst past defenses in the NFL. Like, that's it. That's why I mean, the flip side of their incredible offensive is that the lions went toe to toe with them. And it's as far as why the past defense stinks. It's a little bit confusing. There's a lot of different aspects to it.

I think they made a lot of really bad personnel choices, frankly, most famously paying JC Jackson, who now is sort of with the Patriots, a ton of money in free agency. They did a big trade for Cleal Mac, which I liked at the time, but I don't think he's lived up to what they had hoped. At all three levels, there's holes in this defense. And you can also look to this scheme. Obviously, they have a defensive coach, but that's why they're losing games. Justin Herbert played out of it. He had the best quarterbacking performance of last week, and it didn't matter because the defense was so bad. I mean, that's the only part of you that kicks back right now and says, told you guys about

Josh Allen. Oh, because he's struggling. Yeah. I have trouble because I already apologized for Josh Allen. So now I can't walk back the apology. I think Josh Allen's still an incredible quarterback. So I am now, I am not going to claim a victory on my pre draft analysis. I am going to stick to my year three Josh Allen take, which I still think he's extremely

extremely good. We are in the point in the bill's timeline where if they're not delivering the W's the way that most expected, there's going to have to be a sacrificial lamb. This week, it was Ken Dorsey was that the right sacrificial lamb or just the most sacrificial of the lambs? It's funny. The sacrificial lamb and scapegoat, do they mean the same thing? Exactly. On the pole, Jude, do sacrificial lamb and scapegoat mean exactly the same thing? The sacrificial lamb is the child of the scapegoat. So that works. Thank you, me. Oh, I guess so does that mean a scapegoat is a bigger fish like a sacrificial lamb is like a small sacrifice, but if you really want to please the gods, you have to deliver

a scapegoat. Yeah. Well, in that case, I think he was a sacrificial lamb. Does a scapegoat also die? Because a sacrificial lamb gives its life for whatever it is that this blame is does a scapegoat something that ends up dead. That's a good point. Do I do ancient cultures even sacrifice goats? Maybe that's why it's not a sacrificial goat because giving a goat to the gods doesn't get you anywhere, but a lamb does. Yeah.

The gods love that stuff. What is it in buffalo? I'm going to do the annoying me and a kind of thing. Mike, there's a few things at play. One is the incredible amount of injuries they've suffered on defense. This is a defense that lost its best cornerback, its best flying backers, one of the best middle linebackers in football. And every week since those injuries have compiled, when you watch the games, you see offenses specifically target those positions. Also, I think fond millers not come back from injury the way they would have hoped.

So this is a defense that was really, really good. That has just lost too much talent. And that's a big part of the reason why they're losing games. The other thing is really just simply the turnovers in the big moments over the last few weeks. I posted the stats after the Dorsey, a few stats after Dorsey was fired. The offense has been incredible all year, incredibly efficient and moving the ball. They've incredibly efficient over the last, over the last four weeks and it's their struggles. They've had

the highest success rate in football, but they have ranked worst in the NFL and turnover differential. And that's why they've lost games. It's not as fun or it's not, I guess, for fans, it's not as interesting to just say the defensive injuries and turnovers and a few blunders and big moments, but that's really why they've been losing. So I guess we can't absolve Kendoorci from the turnovers because I guess schematically, maybe there's something there.

We can absolve them of the injuries on defense, but your colleague, Dan Orlovsky, says that they're offensive scheme. You don't have to prepare for it. It's the easiest scheme in the NFL to prepare for. So is Kendor C. Good or bad at this? Dan and I actually got back a little bit about this. I don't quite agree with him. It is a little bit more...

Like when you look around the NFL, teams like Miami, for example, San Francisco. And you see all of the motion and the misdirection and the trickery. You watch that and you say, well, every offense should look like this. But there are some offenses in the NFL that use less, for example, priest that motion. I'll point to Cincinnati.

That's an offense that hasn't gotten a lot of criticism. Or even Philadelphia, to some degree, they don't use priest that motion the same way, because they have really, really good players who they can just line up and beat you with. And a different kind of quarterback. It's a whole different thing. The run game is very different.

So I don't think the Buffalo offense is bad just because they don't use those say, elements personally. I mean, if they were bad, it would be reflected in the numbers. Like these numbers aren't cherry-picked. It's not like, well, there's the best third down offense in the NFL or the quarterback is really good in dropback situations. No, they're like totalistic numbers, efficiency, success rate. If this was a bad offense, it would be captured in that.

So I frankly don't think that he was to blame for their losses. I do think he was a sacrificial lamb or scapegoat or whatever, but they didn't have any other levers to pull. They extended their coach and their GM right before the season. That kind of puzzled me, frankly, especially the GM. So having done that and obviously you can't move on from the quarterback, it felt to me like they didn't have a defensive play collar because it was a phrase that's gone. They were just kind of looking around the room and thought, okay, we're going to go with

the offensive play collar. I will remind everyone here. There are plenty of people at the football information, trough producing a lot of content, but very few are doing it with more expertise and more thoroughly, more meticulously, with good information than Mena Kimes and the Mena Kimes show with letters. There's Mikey and Sugat. God bless football, of course.

With the two better. Of course. That's the best. That's the best. Lucy is there occasionally, but Meena Kimes also, you know, this deserves to be in the conversation with God's football. You know, I can't control Thomas. Yes.

Can you explain to me though, Meena, when you do some of the deep dives on these numbers and the analysis, what are some things that football fans think are true about this unit is good or this unit is bad? This player is good. This player is bad. And the evidence that you have doesn't support what is widely held, you know, belief where you're like, no, that's just not true. It gets repeated all the time, but that's not true.

Well, I think there are certain stats that we overvalue. Robert Solage has had a rant about this. all the time, but that's not true. Well, I think there are certain stats that we overval you. Robert Solage has had a rant about this. I think he was talking about Quinn and Williams, but sacks, for example, when we talk about defensive players. They're very important. Obviously

you want to get to the quarterback, but it's certainly not a comprehensive way of analyzing the best past rushers are in the NFL. I'll point to a guy, Will Anderson, who's probably not going to win defensive rookie of the year in large part because he doesn't put up big sack numbers in Houston. But when you watch the games, you see he is getting to the quarterback. He is excellent and run defense. He is getting the pressure. He is a phenomenal football player. And a big part of the reason why I think that team has been surprisingly successful. They've been better on that side of the ball as well. So another one on the flip side, by the way, with SACs, we tend to blame the offensive line,

but a lot of times they're a quarterback stat. A lot of when you watch SACs, you can really point to instances in which the quarterback is responsible for them. And it's something that tends to follow a quarterbacks year to year, even if they move around teams. If you're a quarterback who takes a lot of SACacks, chances are good. You're going to be a quarterback who takes a lot of sacks for a long time. So it is David Kars fault. It's Sam House fault, isn't it? It's Sam House fault. He takes a lot of sacks. Yeah. I'm just getting better at it though. We're going to get to the evil billionaires more evil than Jerry Jones with the main next Don Lebertard. Again started on the breakfast line.

Oh man, I've been singing a song to myself one morning long. Breakfast, blonde, doon doon doon. Two gods. You never heard the breakfast line call? No, hit me with it. Okay. I wish I had some breakfast blonde, doon doon doon doon. Breakfast blonde, doon doon doon doon.

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are the third place finisher, but Lucy and Juju, I believe have a comparable Q rating on popularity. Do I have this wrong? As I try to pit people against each other. I was just about to say that for someone who claims to love your mentorship role and you know, as a, I was't know, as paternalistic as negative connotations, but, you know, you're kind of that figure in a lot of our lives. You sure love doing this, Dan. In fact, the moment I first started doing your show, you pitted me against Pablo, I think from the jump. Now, did I embrace that? Absolutely. It was a very winnable rivalry, easily. So, in fact, but as my headphone falls to the ground, but you embrace that? Absolutely. It was a very winnable rivalry easily, so in fact,

but as my headphone falls to the ground, but you're doing it again. No. Why do we have to be doing it again, Charlie? You're not sex-wise. You're not more likable. How? How?

Can we what? You want to say that again? You don't want to say it again? You just want to stare at everybody confused. Chris Cody. Thursday, Chris, ladies and gentlemen, excellent work by him. I think that when you got here, Meena, the very first thing you did, because I think you've got a selective memory,

is you saw that Billy was the weakest one, and you attacked him. That's what happened. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. He is the bully that. That, that, that. Fixated on our background right now,

it looks like Mount Rainier is about to blow. It does. It looks like everything happening behind you mean a swaying. It looks like we've got a bit of an environmental crisis. Yes. Is that a confused one? No, it's March on Lynch doing the

Beastquake celebration over Mount Raid. I got I got to they said, what do you want on your background? And I sent like a 500 word text and they incorporated to their credit most of it. You've got the Meena Cime Show sign that looks like the Pike Place sign. You've got Mark Sean Lynch grabbing his crotch flying over Mount Rainier.

I was asked if I wanted to not have him grabbing his crotch because it's a family program. I thought if anyone is zooming in, they don't deserve to have that blurred out because they want to see it. And then finally, we have Len Lenny flying tiny plane. I forgot what those are called with a banner that says, whizzes are not the quarterback stat. What got left out? You said they commented most of it. What got left out? I wanted a like Mount Rushmore with, I think I said, Ken Griffey Jr. I forgot Edgar Martinez was on there. I had a list of my sports heroes and they're like, it's a little busy as it is.

Can Felix not see barge. And that'd be a hard to pair that down to four. And you'd leave in some good people out of Edgar Martinez. It's making a list. Edgar Martinez is a personal, personal fake. Yeah. That's why she's the best. That's why she's the best dance.

She's far and away. You feel me? I'm the last place when it comes to popularity. I'm only in this conversation because of affirmative action. Lucy is second place for sure, but my sisters are killing me. And I love both of them equally. I'm going to just make one small campaign on behalf of Juju. We talk about a lot more on Mystery Great this week, but Juju, because this is a superpower

where people don't know who he is, but they assume looking at him surely I know who you are. It's a stark quality. It's undeniable. Thank you guys. It's factor. That's what that's called. It's also different though than what I'm talking about.

It's different because people do gravitate toward him magnetically. He takes more pictures than anyone around here, but he is also on top of that rivaling in popularity, meanena and Lucy. I will leave it alone there. I will not cause any more division. But congratulations, Lucy and Juju on arriving in this conversation, because not a lot of people are here. Chris Cody's not here.

Do you have like a list on your phone? Who's that? I know. I was going to say, how are we gauging this? Are you doing focus group? Yes, we do test it. Of course. What do you think?

How do you think we decide that we're going to pay Lucyy and bring her and flyer to my amian have her do things yes there's focus testing done not only that he's doing the deans and as well these things are live they're changing like you know you can move up the list now competitive bread will like during like i'm struggling i'm here i'm new he's doing this on front of my face. Just like, hey, these three people are popular. Bread, comedian, dwarf, not polling well, not doing well during the presidential debates when they have those dials that go up and down when people talk. That's what you need. Somehow, I don't know if you have anyone who can make this. You need that for that

show. So not just real time polling, but as we're talking, I want to know, like, for example, if I bring up a serious topic, does the dial start moving down? But then if I go into some nonsense, does the dial move back up? This is the kind of real-time information. I think video should get to work on something right now that allows us to do that on the air graphically. But I've been trying to get to this list for about three hours here. I mean, for some reason has put together very meticulously and with a lot of thought, a top five list on only billionaires more evil or that's not the phrase you're using.

It's billionaires more evil than Jerry Jones because Mike said Jerry Jones is on the metal stand for evil billionaires. And I said, no, exactly. Not even close. Feels like a bottom five list. It's top five. Top five evil. Bottom five good.

Plumming, most number of scripts. Number five. Oh, I got an outside looking in, I'm sorry. Okay. This might surprise everyone. Elon Musk is more evil than Jerry Jones. I don't think that's gonna surprise anybody. You think it's surprising that he's not in your top five?

He's not top five, he's out there. All right, so you're saying this is a good list then, is what you're alleging. It's a great list. Number five. Number five, Gina Reinhart. Australian mining magnet inherited all her money from her daddy uh... campaign wrote a book about how she should pay her mining employees

two dollars a day and then there's no problem with that basically is a completely indecent person who flaunts her wealth that she worked nothing to accomplish for Wow, sure. This business is like David sounds like an ad-man Who are these people rather number four number four Donald Trump Yes influential yes has a huge platform No, not quite as evil as the names on the rest of this list also not a billionaire number three on paper number three

The coke boys On paper. Number three, the Coke boys. One left. They're banned. They're banned. Well, no, they're together. I'm putting them together. All the Coke boys are together.

Number two, Kim Jong-un. I think you know, okay. Pressive. Oh, it's a billionaire. It's a lot of natural resources in North Korea. It's billions and billions. And maybe is has had it. And then it's not spread out over anyone else.

And then number one, this should come as no surprise. Damn, libertart. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, I'm going to be a little more. We just saw it in person. We just, she just pointed out, you pit people against each other.

Your frame people is a certain thing I've been trying to shake this little bag of thing for years and they won't leave me alone and that's all your fault you let me to believe that you didn't fist pump when you don't as has them had that slam dunk against the bulls and the playoffs for several years before finally copying to it I did do that I did it in a sports bar I couldn't believe that he dunked he had so much time off I was moved as someone who had covered him since I still can't believe he had the worst plus minus on the clock. Me no sense from an inspirational perspective. Meena, the San Francisco 49ers, is it any more complicated than when they're healthy? They are really great. Turn those dials

down, everyone. Meena, go ahead and win. They are not so messed up. You think the dials are up for your list? I'm excited to find out. Dan, no Murdoch. Dan made the list though. OK. That's a big part of it, for sure. And I think you certainly saw it.

It's one thing to say, like if you want to sound smart, uh, Trent Williams is really important. He's the offensive lineman. But when you watch, you can actually see you, the impact and stuff, how they use him, especially obviously in the run game. I think they're not, it's not exactly the same as Miami Dan, but with the Niners, you saw something on offense that you do see at times with Miami, which is there a team that's devastating on first and second down. And a lot of the their success, the metrics go down on third down when they're all that optionality for the run in the past being blended together is not on the table. In fact, a couple of weeks ago, I looked it up. Brock Purti actually has the highest off target rate in the NFL on third down. He's near the top on first and second, which I think reflects that. So you got a team where when they fall behind, when they

have to catch up, are you guys going to cut me out? Oh, that's a three minute thing. Um, I love that she hasn't gotten any better at these specifics of the dials. I go. You were shamed to be earlier. You have three minutes. You have three full minutes. You have three full minutes. Okay. I'm just saying, I think there are team where when they're behind some, there are some vulnerabilities on offense, but I do think that having trebles, the D. Bo back is huge. The defense also during the three game losing streak, you saw some struggles, missed tackles, that sort of thing. I think they look a lot better, they look a lot better last week. So that sort of thing. I think they look a lot better, they look a lot better last week, so that'll be fine. Why are people insistent on telling me that the Miami dolphins are frauds?

I don't understand why you can't just enjoy what it is that you're watching. You can't trick me. I saw that 10 second mark. I've not, you, I saw it. I'm not going to, I mean, I'm going to answer the question, I guess. I don't think that they're frauds just because they have not beaten the best teams that they've played against. I think that there's a lot of simple explanations for that. I think the defense has gotten better every week. It takes a while to fit five minutes now. Are you just putting up random numbers to best of me? The dials are all the way up. Are we even on air anymore? Did you? I don't get two minutes. He sounds like a bright young. Okay. I sound like president. I think the dolphins are fine. I think the

defense obviously they didn't have. This is going to be a relaxing for the audio audience. Chris keeps holding up signs with different times. He just held up a sign that said, rap, I don't know if I'm supposed to rap. Do you want me to ask the question about the dolphins or not? I feel like that's... That's the thing that I'm laughing at is that it just reminds me. It's just a joke for me. It's like it's just an assume camera.

It's hard cameras can't even capture it. It is just Chris Cody messing with me. And yes, me, I don't know how... and you're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not.

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You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're offensive line is getting healthy. H.A. and it's back and then defensively it is a defense that takes a while to pick up. Obviously, Jalen Ramsey didn't play. J going to be one of the better defenses in the NFL. Not too worried about the offense, although if they do play from behind similar to what I said about San Francisco 49ers, the offense is less potent because of just done.

Yeah. That was a breath. Make it two minutes less. 10 more seconds if you could fill. Thank you. I could have. Where can they find your podcast, Meena? Meena Com Show featuring, you ready?

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