The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Dan Le Batard's Heat Cult Theory

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

Brockmire is BACK and he's here to chat with us about Dan mourning the death of his own self-respect, the similarities between the Miami Heat and cults, Nikola Jokic's arms, and baseball being at its best when it's at its most stupid. Then, Miami Heat breakout star Caleb Martin joins the show! He shares the moments where he had the most doubt in himself or his team, Udonis Haslem's reaction after Game 6, why "the culture is a vibe," his favorite moment of the postseason so far, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with his two-gots podcast. I am made happy every single time I see this man's face and hear his voice. Brockmeyer has made his return. I don't know where he went. I was told this would be a weekly thing we were doing with him. I was told we would get a podcast as well, regardless, thrilled to have you here, Brockmeyer. Thank you for joining us.

What's going on? I'm really happy to see you. I thank you. Happy to see you too. I guess the whining you engage in is now just part of the show. It's just part of my intro is crab baby whining about. I'm not sure what. But nice to see you too, Dan, as always. We're supposed to have a podcast from you. It's not whining. People are waiting for it was very popular. Your first season of podcast was very popular. for the pot it was very popular your your first season of podcast was very popular.

Yeah well when now we're doing this for about 20 minutes once a week. Yeah we missed last week. My apologies. I'm sure I think you were gone too, weren't you? Were you around last week? I was around it was just you that was missing. I was waiting for you. We were expecting you. Well I will sort this out. I don't think your listeners, your viewers, your podcasters, or Twitterers really care about this. It's just good to see you, as always, literally. I heard the power went out in your brand new studio. And no one could see anything.

What happened there? Yeah. Because I know you love hiring family members. To be honest, did you have a cousin to do the electrical or since his Florida? Did you just, did you build your studio there in Florida on an old abandoned pill mill pharmacy and angry junkies came back and stole the copper wiring? Well, let's just move into a new building

and the power went out. That's it. I can't control whether the power goes out. That's it, the power just went out. That's it, the power went out for the entire studio. It was very hard to build. No, I believe you, okay. I mean, because we do live in conspiracy

so times, as you know. So I got at least asked, is that true really? Howard just went out of it. It was the whole thing, just an experiment to see if you all would look better in low light. Because the answer to that is an unbelievably resounding yes, the less light, the better over there is an unbelievably resounding yes. The less light, the better over there people.

It's slimming, that's true, but I really don't think you should start with insult. You haven't even been here. What are you doing? Really? You're just going to... No, that's legit, but I was a little snarky there, but because I heard Stugot say that he longed for when you all had a makeup artist on the TV show. Yes. You know, and you said that, and I got to just say, and I think I speak for everybody, that we longed for those days as well. Those died.

The sweet summer days of ignorance. Before you all volunteered visual evidence as to how much of all abandon your dignity and self respect. Look at you. Look at you. Well, what? God, look at you. I just need a terrible. How about just a mirror? I said, well, I'll settle for a mirror. Where's a nearest mirror, dear fellows? Just say, you know, so that I know that you know the horrors that you're willing to subject the rest of us to. Have you covered the mirrors around you in some

masochistic act of Shiva to like mourn the death of yourself or come on have you covered the mirrors around you in some massacistic act of shiva to like mourn the death of yourself respect or something. Because you obviously don't look into them. Brock, my man, come on, man, why all the insults? Can we get started with the sports segment, please? Or like you care about sports. But I listen, I kid, I kid because I care, honestly, the truth is I respect the hell out of both of you. The empire you built there, and you manage to keep the lights on most of the time. And, you know, honest, can I be honest for a moment?

I mean this, nobody in the pundit games sports world, to me matches your intellect, your knowledge of sports, your effervescent personality, your gift for comedy, your timing, I believe you are the best in the game. 100%. Oh, thank you. That's very, very sweet of you, Brockmeyer. It's true, which is why it's always very shocking to watch you glide into work, wearing a ball cap, and a sweatshirt, whatever you have on,

with your screen greasy enough to stain a pizza box. And then why does the clothing keep getting wider and looser? It's like you go tired of the basic constraints of clothing and you're just gonna be wearing a patterned bed sheet with a giant hole cut out for your giant head zoom. I look at, look, you see this? I know it's not a very fashionable jacket,

but it is, it's a suit jacket It's how I'm a professional. I mean you walk around like an estranged little league dad and drinks a tall boy in the stands by himself Which is fine not's fine to live that way in your own home, but Dan lebertard you you send that haunting visage out into the world I know I'm going on, but I mean this. Everybody's computer and phone and tablet sees you You forced the world to look at how you choose to present yourself every day I'm just asking for just a little bit more effort or a trigger morning a trigger morning should come with you are in Let's talk heat. Please. I can't get too far away from talking about, are you drinking again? The Miami

Heat, let's discuss this. Heat culture, are you buying heat culture? You can't not buy heat culture, it's real. I mean, you don't keep getting back to the finals with undrafted guys if the structure of development is not there. And Larry and Butler, they prove proven they can recognize those outside the organization who would be great fits with what they've already built. But there is something, it just gives me the heebie-geebie's the way they talk about what goes about in that building. I mean, I have to take this quote from Sposter here, from after the game. Okay, he said, Spulture said, things don't go your way,

we just keep on forging ahead and suffer and suffer and suffer until you get what you want. Now, that reminded me of another quote from Pat Riley. Riley said, pain is not bad, it's good. It teaches you things. I understand that.

Wait, forgive me, mistake, little mix up, that's not a quote from Riley. That's from Charles Manson, okay? Interesting how similar they are though, isn't it? Wait, here's the Riley quote I was actually looking for. Riley said, the individuals at the core of our group have worked closely together for

over 20 years. We stay positive in every circumstance and put the good of the team over any personal concerns or egos Wise words, but hold up apologies once again not Pat Riley. That was from the heavens gate religious groups website That's the gang of folks who coordinated a series of rituals suing sides Poinsiding with the approach to the hellbop comments, okay? Doesn't it doesn't seem though that all those folks in that cult would have done quite well in heat culture. A lot of mental toughness, willingness to sacrifice their bodies for the ultimate prize. I think they'd have fitted it. Wait a minute.

So you're accusing the heat of being an actual cult. You're not even taught here to talk about culture. You're here to accuse them of actually being a cult. Now I would not excuse me. I would not say that. You said that just now. So now that you have, let's dig into your theory, Dan Levitard, about how he culture is a cult. Thanks for saying that.

Because I pulled, I got a numbered quiz here, like you take on the internet, to find out if you may be in a cult. Let's take the quiz, shall we? I don't care. Since you're the 2023 heat expert, help me through this. Okay, so one, at the head of the organization

There is a charismatic figure quite often who impresses his power and will on all those below them Anybody like that in heat culture? Yeah, some will cult personality like a David miscavage from Scientology like Back hair kind of dude showing off his gotturing somebody like that Like Riley. Yeah, it does sound like. Oh, well, you're right. It does. I'm shocked. Okay. I'm sure number two won't apply it although there's usually an enforcer within the inner circle. Someone who's been there from the beginning with institutional knowledge who were physically correct. All those who defied the will of the leader sometimes with violence. Does that sound like anybody?

That sounds like you've done this, Haslam. It sure does, Danny. So, Fahye, your theory, Dan, is right on. This is why you're so good. Dan Levitard's heat cult theory. You see things, you see things the rest of us can't even dream about. Number three, the leadership within the group, fosters a feeling constant, just constant persecution

and us against the world mentality. Does that sound like it? That's every team. That can apply to every single team, ever winning in sports. Including the heat. So we're three for three. Right.

Pretty damning. But I'm sure number four will eliminate heat culture from the very premise of being a cult. Number four, there's an attempt at near constant control of the members' lives. Most often this will manifest in dietary restrictions and manic periods of forced exercise. All right, that's it, Brockmeyer. I can't have you slandering around here during this celebratory time. This championship effort by calling them a cult. I'm not gonna let you keep doing this

on the eve of a final appearance here, besmirching heat culture. And I'd besmirch it. I don't besmirch nothing. It's a compliment to say that heat culture's a cult. You can do amazing things once your brain is just white clean, you know? Look at Scientology Tom Cruise.

The man used to be an actor, good actor. Now he's a 60 year old stunt man, trying to outdo early 80s Jackie Chan. Have you seen the trailer for the new mission, Impossible? You seen this? The crazy son of a bitch. He flies off a cliff on a motorcycle into a base jump. I mean, the guy from cocktail, he's now wiping his ass with evil

conoeblist memory. I mean, quotes, they could do amazing things. Thus, I think that he'd have a real shot. How about the nuggets? I want to talk about the nuggets as well. I don't like your heat thoughts. So your general thoughts on the Denver nuggets in this series are what? I'm assuming we're going to get to baseball at some point. You're not exactly a basketball expert. I have baseball stuff, but no, I'm glad you brought up the nuggets because it's your kids, it's your kids, right? Not your kids, it's your kids, right?

We say your kids. I mean, this guy's offering a representation of an underappreciated member of the basketball community. I'm talking about the YMCA superstar. The old man game. We love the old man game around here. Tony got his shot blocked by the old man game around here. Allegedly. Well, I'm not just talking about the old

like the one legged jumpers where you don't actually jump. I'm talking about the genuine weirdos who step out onto the hard court in the knee pads and the goggles and the oddly shaped bodies, all of which work to disguise the fact that they can dominate in the knee pads and the goggles and the oddly shaped bodies, all of which work to disguise the fact that they could dominate in the game of basketball. Because that's what you find at every YMCA in America, and Yokeitch is in that tradition. You know, he's got the face of a, excuse me, a little too much size of a wreck. He got the face of a knockoff John Wick henchman, and the body of a fat kid who wars under shirt and the pool. And he uses height and creativity. The guy he explores, passing angles,

previously unimaginable. It's true, he does. I mean, similarly, I once watched a seven-year-old Catholic priest in the YMCA, blowing elbows in a pickup game, like a young Bill Cartwright, in such a reckless manner that suggested that there was no God, no

sir, just an endless sea of nothingness that always beckons us forward toward its soft embrace. That's what that guy's basketball game reminded me of. And is that kind of unexpected terrifying basketball beauty that one can normally only see at the YMCA, that and a lot of urine in the, you know, a lot of urine in the pool. That's so true. Ungodly amounts of urine in the pool. But anyway, any who's glad to see that type of basketball finally made it to the NBA finals.

Here's to you. All right. Yokey. It's very early for the Sazrack. We're going to take a break here. We're going to come back. Yeah, but surely for Sazrack. It's such a funny comedic word, says, and such heavy liquor for the morning.

We come back with Brockmeyer after this. You can see what I drink in the afternoon. Hello, someone listen. I need help. I'm in Barcelona, and the creatures are everywhere. If you listen to me, you'll see. Listen to what you hear.

You're not going to be able to see the eyes. We're going to take all the stairs, Si me es... a la esbloque, a la eslo. Escuchéis lo que escuchéis, tapados los ojos. La calle vamos todos a cieras, pero lo más aterradores no saberen que confiar. Uy de las personas que os piden que mireis. Si queréis seguir convido. I mean, they used to call me Chris karaoke. Stugats! Julio, te atreves a ver. Dan Lebatard. I mean, he's to call me Chris karaoke. Stugats. Yo.

That back row is bringing it today. This is the Dan Lebatard show with a Stugats. Do you want to get to baseball stuff with Jim Brockmeyer that is his alleged area of expertise? He still loves the national pastime. But Mike Ryan has been joking for years about Yokech's arms during games. They are always bleeding. In this series at some point, his arms will be bleeding. Do you have anything for us,

Brockmeyer, on the subject of how strange it is that forevermore, there's one guy in the NBA whose arms are always bleeding. Yeah, it is strange, but Mike Ryan, it's not funded to me, Mike Ryan. It looks like one of those, one of them weird fetishes that you stumble on when you're tube sight, when you're looking for your own weird fetish,

but you happen on another weird one, you know what I mean? You know, I know you know what I'm talking about, the elevator. You have all people, you know. When it's like when you're in incognito mode, there you take the wrong video thing and you see some BDSM session where they tame somebody's armpit or something

that's what Yolkitch's red arms look like. It's a kink that I just rather leave that unexplored you know what I'm saying and you know what I'm talking about I know you know the feeling of trying to get I do know you know the feeling Dan don't deny it you trying to get your rocks off, accidentally you witness that which it doesn't do it for you. And I speak for both of us when I say that's not what we want from our entertainment, okay? Yo-kits his arms, yo-kits his arms make me feel like I'm watching a Tarantino movie where some actress, some poor actress is showing a bare-feet for absolutely no reason. I mean, can somebody explain to me, why does Margot Robbie a Sharon Tate, why she would

go see her own movie and take off her shoes and stick her grog's dirty feet on the back of the seat and then watch the whole thing through her toes? What the hell is that? There's no diagetic reason that that should occur. I don't like it. I don't want to make jokes about Yokehitch's arms. Don't make me. All right.

Thank you for not doing so. He is swinging vigorously from the Sazarak. Please, let's talk baseball. We've hired you. And this has been very inconsistent. You show up when you want to. You don't do the podcast you're supposed to and supposed to be a weekly baseball segment. I, boy, if you keep crying about this, you're not even going to get this.

I'll tell you that right now. This is what you're getting. We'll see if we can work our way up to some kind of podcast and we'll get guests together. It's a lot of work. I don't think you appreciate how much work it is. Dan Levertold, you sit there. You know, your ball cap, which at least it's facing forward. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised you're not one of them kids that likes to ball cap backwards and you've take in the stickers off the camp to that's good that's very adult of you podcast this is it this what you get i got you know we have your people set it up

i thought you guys were gonna do it my grand who let's say mike instead of making fun of jokers is afflictions why don't you put together the podcast so the Dan can stop crying? Can we do the baseball bit here? You're here for the video. Well, you're the one who keeps poking at that thing. The baseball bit. Yes, thank you.

Appreciate the opportunity. Once again, to beg a general audience to please, please folks, please pay attention to the game of baseball because this week I want to talk about a new twist on an old classic, okay? Position players pitching in blowouts, right? That was once an occasional treat. It is now turned into an analytic necessity to save meaningless pitches from valuable arms. Anytime now it's late in the game, ten run difference in score. You will see non-pitchers on the winning and losing team, lobbyingving 45 mile an hour, a lot

of pop is over the plate, like they're in a slow pitch softball, beer league. This does not happen in any other sport, man. The NFL doesn't have lineman lining up behind center, late in the fourth, broken passes. 10 to the should basketball. Don't take turns, chucking half-court shots at the end of an NBA game only in baseball Do we choose to pass it to them without right farce at the end of the game and I Absolutely love it. It's so stupid And baseball is so many things, but one of them is really really stupid

I mean, it's the first American sport is the proto sport with quirks and unique qualities that were is the proto sport with quirks and unique qualities that were natural selection ground down for later sports, but anytime baseball is really stupid to me, it's just it's at its most beautiful. Put it on the pole, please, juju, is baseball beautiful at its most stupid. Thank you, Jim, appreciate the time. Appreciate that you are back, even though it's a bit inconsistent. We can count on you now from week to week sort of kind of. I make you dear. You count on me week to week. You can. Podcast whatever. We'll make it work. But please, Dan, in return, just hire a makeup artist, okay? And I do mean artists because it's an active creative imagination to embellish those massive sun-soaked middle-aged made for radio punums over there. All right, thank you, Jim. Nice having you back. I think your insults were aggressive. Enjoy the size of it.

What really Jewish on you today? Honour me, Shiva. Yeah. Thank you, Jim. I appreciate it. I did not know my fam. I did not know about Brock Meier. I don't know much about Brock Meier as religious tendencies. I assumed he was an atheist. I just know the lingo. Okay.

I am not a hebraic. I'm not a hebraic background. Mom, I'm getting really drunk. See you later. Good luck. Welcome to you, Brock Meier. Hello. Hey, can, shall I?

He mentioned Tarantino and something I wanted to bring up to the group because Tarantino, not unlike Scorsese, is now protecting his Thespian cultural arts. And he is saying, what is a motion picture anymore? And the way that he dismisses it is he says, Ryan Reynolds, I keep saying 50 million for this, 50 million for that, 50 million for that. And while he's not saying where is it, because it's on Netflix or it's on Apple.

What he is saying is nobody's watching these movies where these movies they're not motion pictures they're not like my movies you put them in a theater and people gather around and it's so interesting in the streaming age to see these sculptors theseators, who really care about film from like a child. So, I don't know if you've seen the Spielberg documentary, but people who choose film as a career, the sculpting of it. They fall in love, whatever the reasons are in their youth to escape some things because they want to run off with their imagination. And the way Tarantino talks about where his love of film comes from, these aged masters don't like the changes going on in Hollywood, don't want to make something for the streaming

services. And so when Tarantino asks, what's a motion picture? Do you care? No, an emotion picture is maverick. I mean, people showed up to the theater during a pandemic still to see that movie. If you make the right movie for the big screen, I believe people will still come to the movie. And if you don't then you have to adapt to the time.

Okay, like you and I got into doing live radio on the AM dial, okay? And now we're podcasting or recording. He does it. Tarantino doesn't have to adapt to anything. Well, he doesn't have to. But I'm saying he will be successful. I'm talking about the genre he cares about.

I'm talking about his lament that Ryan Reynolds is getting paid 50 million a movie so that Netflix can goose its numbers or Apple. And when he says that he hasn't seen any of those movies you have, you've enjoyed a couple of those movies because it's whatever, an ambulance chases a helicopter and they collide into each other. Yeah, I mean, the previews get me every time. That's the danger of Netflix is the previous. But there is obviously something to it, right?

And you can't, one, you're not gonna fault a person who's made a career out of that to romanticize about going to the cinemas, it's in part where they found themselves. But we can just project that on to sports when we were in the middle of the pandemic and the crowd was altered, either reduced greatly in size or removed altogether, ratings were down. It wasn't the same experience.

We missed the roar of the crowd. And it's essentially someone saying just watch these things in television studios who get the same effect and I can feel like we've seen the ratings it pour out. You can feel strongly about that. And I do. I guess I'm from an age now it's easier to get transported by your phone or video game I guess. But for a large chunk of these filmmakers, going to the cinema was the only way to be transported to a different world. So I understand why people romanticize it. I do too. I wonder though if the people listening to this, especially young people who have grown

up with a different thing as their life experience, whether they look at Scorsese and Tarantino and look at them as old men shouting at clouds. But there's nothing like the experience of watching it in a theater, even Top Gun Maverick watching it with friends in a theater and having the roar of the crowd. Like there are certain movie experiences that you know, I know Snatch was the movie that you watched in the UK

and you transport yourself to those places and I think it's this sensory overload and I think it's a beautiful thing and I'm glad that these so words, even though they have some horrible takes, that they're still fighting the good fight to make sure that people still have that big screen experience. Do you think that Ryan Reynolds cares one way or the other where his 50 million is coming from? Reynolds cares one way or the other where his 50 million is coming from whether he needs it but I don't think Reynolds cares about movies and the history of movies and going to the theater the way someone like Tarantino or Spielberg might you know I just don't feel like he's

younger I don't feel like he care and he's you know he's an actor he's not directing and no I do not think he cares where is 50 million comes from? As long as he gets his 50 million. We don't have unfortunately everything working here today that needs to be working for us to do our show, but I urge you to just go to Netflix if you have it and check out the trailer for Fubar, Arnold Schwarzenegger's latest work.

It's great. The trailer. Just want to button something up here. Ryan Reynolds is four years younger than Stucats. Really? You're having like 32? I did, yes. 46, according to Wikipedia.

I mean, look at us. Dan thought he was 80, so. You were in high school at the same time as Ryan Reynolds Put it on the pole please that Levitard shot aging well Can you believe that Stugots and Ryan Reynolds were in high school at the same time? And that is Fubard it is F the beyond all recognition, but that's not what the acronym stands for in Arnold's movie And all I will tell you is to go because this is the trailer. I'm going to show it to you on my phone during the break because I was sending it to people.

But all you need to know for the purposes of this discussion is they give the letters in the acronym FUBAR. They give them each a different meaning. And the R, well the A in Fubar is for abs, and the R in Fubar as explosions go on all around Arnold Schwarzenegger, the R in F the U is for what's what you said what was that Mike that was not good yes the lights are on. The lights are on. You're not fooling me. Is that total wolf?

Don Lebatard. I think I'd like to know when I'm going to die because I sort of romanticized the idea of like living like you were dying when you're on a countdown clock. Imagine all the life experiences. Like I could go skydiving or Rocky Mountain climbing. Still got seven seconds on full name. Roy does bring up a point. Like you might be risking paralysis. And that's a rocky mountain climbing. Still gots. Roy brings up a point. Roy does bring up a point.

Like you might be risking paralysis. And that's totally correct. Just totally trying to put my life. What if God forbid it says you're going to die in the car, guys? What if it says a week, though? Like, or two days or a month?

I don't want to know that. Well, then you just love deeper and speak sweeter and give forgiveness to those that you've been denying. Someday, I hope you get the chance to live like you were dying. Do you have more, is that it? No, thank you guys for letting me go through that smoothly. DCC Don Limita Show with this Tugats.

[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Just before Kayla Bart came on here, Tugats was reading from his computer and saying out loud. I'm going to the pole Dan and he says to me, can you believe Ryan Reynolds and Stugots were in high school at the same time? He said it's racking up a lot of votes and then he says I'm gonna vote and he said then I'm gonna vote yes And then he just looked defeated at me and said I'm losing Caleb Martin with us now very very excited to have him, very exciting time in South Florida.

Thank you for joining us, congratulations. And thank you in general for doing the things that you did that made South Florida fear a little less that Boston was gonna spend the entire summer laughing at Miami. Can you tell us, Caleb Caleb in the last few hours, have you heard from anybody that has moved you, that has made you a little bit emotional

because this has got to be a pretty special time for you? Yeah, I've had a lot of people reach out, show a lot of love, and I've seen my mom and my family. And I've seen a cold call me right after the game. Everybody knows the story about cold pretty much now, but cold call me and we were talking after the game. He was just so hyped jumping up and down.

I had a lot of my people, a lot of people in my lot of people in my circle call, you know, call and give me up And so it's been a it's been amazing time a lot of people do know the story But is it legitimately a hundred percent so that there's no way that you're on the heat if not for Jay Cole like is that overstated? I don't I don't think so I think that the Honestly, I think the chances of me being here without him making the phone call and and and again in sexual Quran would be pretty similar to that. I feel like I definitely probably wouldn't be here for sure. Which was the rejection in your journey that hurt the most when you think of the teams or the tryouts to get here? Definitely probably didn't wave by the bonus. That was my first, that was like, you know, not getting drafted, I could prepare for that. And I kind of been prepared for that. And you know, you kind of get an idea whenever you're going through that process, but I think that

definitely a wave by the bonus was definitely the part of the biggest slap in the face. And if I come to you on that day and say, what does the best of your possible future look like from here on a day that might have had some doubt in it? What are you saying to me? Man, at that point, I had no idea. Man, I just, I just said at that point, I couldn't, that was my first time experiencing that in the league. So I just had no idea how I went after that.

I'm thinking, automatically, like, I'm thinking I'm going overseas. Basically, my chances of making it to the league and sticking it to the league felt like it was going to end tonight. I just, is going to have to really take a team to, you know, kind of see something in the media, give me the opportunity again. So what did you imagine? Did you imagine like, I'm going to have to play where when you're thinking overseas, like when you're, when you're doubtingting about you're thinking that the dream might be done or that you'll get back to the NBA through overseas.

Yeah, I mean, the goal is always the NBA. I was definitely, even if I had to go overseas, I was definitely gonna try to definitely make my way back to the NBA kind of like PJ Tucker did. So I knew it was, I knew there was a chance to do it, but I just know it was really, really hard. And I definitely didn't want to take that step to go overseas until I knew the league,

the dream of the league was done. And I just knew that maybe if I just got into a gym or workout or a scrimmage or something with the NBA team, I could show them that I definitely have something I can contribute. Kale, a lot of people talk about the heat, their organization, the culture, but they don't know exactly what it is they're talking about. So can you explain the difference between your experience with the heat and let's say the

hornets? It's definitely just like people say the culture and the Bob, how you work and how the people are. I mean, I know people within the heat organization have been together for a long time. Can't say that for every organization because there's movement pieces of time, people take other jobs or whatever it is.

People get fired, whatever it is. But here, they keep it really in-house so it almost feels like a college field to where they've been together for a long time. They look out for one another and just the way they work, they're coming from a winning background. So they just know how and what it takes to kind of get to this point we're at now. So you definitely feel that vibe and that energy as soon as you come in.

In game five, you look to have hyper extended your knee. It looked super painful. I didn't think that you'd bounce back from that just from the angle that we got on television. How much pain were you dealing with throughout the remainder of that series? Are you good now? I'm good now. Honestly, it definitely tweaked it for a little bit.

It was, it was, it was sore for a little bit, but at that point I was gonna play, I was gonna play as long as I could walk or as long as I could run, I was gonna play it didn't matter. So I was just, you know, I know a lot of people at this stage of this, you know, late in the post season, they're going to play through everything. So, I just wanted an opportunity to kind of get to this moment where we're at now, and I just knew that if I was

going to be able to get there, we're going to have to play through through some entries. So it's not too bad. Now we've been to the instant treatment. I'm a good shave now. You can only give me one name as an answer to this question. Who was the most pissed off after game six? By OG. By OG. OG, yeah. He played 48 minutes and now you get everything you had. That's how OG feels, man.

Anytime you lose, he really feels that whether he's playing a meta or not, that's he's really to rip down a whole arena when we lose especially a game like that. That really stains for him. So he was ready for game seven. What does that mean though explain what does that look like? Man, he's a lot of a lot of a lot of wall a lot of walls being

punched a lot of you know a lot of a lot of stuff you know a lot of damage to some of his own dance, some of his own property. But he's just, you know, you kind of one of the guys, you just gotta let him go do what he does, man, because you definitely don't want to get in the way of that. That's just him, man. It's just, it just showed you just, he just kicked it so much. I love that.

Have you had a confrontation that we can better understand the conflict where the heat resides. They don't mind confrontation. There's growth in confrontation. Have you had something like that with Jimmy? Yeah, we had some brotherly like confrontation for sure. All the way lean back to when I first got here when I was on my tour. A lot of people don't even know. That's just, you know, we get into it. A lot of people were down there.

But we get into it with a lot of people. We get into a car. I get into a band. I get into a Tyler. I get into a hair body just because everybody's competitors, and the background everybody comes from. That's what happens if you fight with your brothers all the time. I got into a car. We get into it with Jimmy and stuff,

but it's not like get into it like you ready to fight or anything like that. It's like, it's just more like you just trying to, you know, you just trying to stay on each other's ass just make sure we're on it, you know, in the right spot to be able to win. So, it's all, it's all, it's all just, it's all a good look. I want you to pick from among these numbers, which make you proudest. You can only pick one set of numbers.

You average in that series, 19.3 points a game. That's 10 points more than your season average. 6.4 rebounds, one point, I'm sorry, yes, 1.7 assists. 60% shooting, 60.2% shooting, 48.9% from three. Which of those numbers to you is the one that you like the best? I like the 48. I like the 48 for three.

So I mean, we keep knocking down threes and I keep, you know, chewing confidence. And man, it's just, uh, it's tough to go or whenever you got guys chewing confidence. Like, Caleb, you don't really show a lot of emotion on the court. I've never really seen a motion burst out of you the way that I did in that game seven. Is that the most in the zone you've ever felt as a professional because it means a lot for Because we've seen Jimmy feel it and in those moments where you were feeling it Jimmy was deferring to you

And that was pretty wild to see It is so you man. You got a lot of trust like you, you know, it's the work I put in and like, you know, I'm a hustle guy, I do it, you know, I do it. I gotta do kind of, you know, that plug and play type of guy, but I gotta, I gotta lot I can do. And, you know, but that's NBA, that's being on a team, that's playing a role, you figure out your niche and you figure out how to stick.

It's not about trying to be that guy. It's about just trying to figure out how to stick and give the team what they need. And everybody's capable of more. Every guy on every team and every role who's not the man is capable of more. It's just whenever you get those opportunities, you got to be ready for them.

So I just made sure I was ready. I just made sure I tried to stay ready throughout the process to always sense the first moment I got here. And I knew eventually a moment like that would come and I was just gonna make sure I was ready for that. What one shot felt best to you because I would say that that's not the shot you want. Caleb Martin against Yannis slapping his hand away

in that situation. Even if it's a corner three, not the matchup I want. No disrespect, that seems like not a great idea in that situation. What is the shot that felt best to you? Justin throughout the whole playoffs or just the series? No, the whole thing. The whole thing. Definitely that one. Definitely shot on Janus. That felt like I was back in college. I had the same exact shot In the going to go to the 16th we be in Cincinnati when I was at Nevada

But it was just in the right it was on the right corner in front of Cincinnati bench Or maybe no our bench, but I had the same one I slapped his hand away. It was my old teammate Kyle Washington I played with against and at NC State I slapped his hand away the same way I jab slapped his hand away and I shot it So I mean I knew I was a guy in NC State. I slept his hand away the same way. I jab, slept his hand away and I shot it. So, I mean, I knew I was a good guy and I jab, I was gonna shoot it. So, you know, definitely not the shot. You probably want that time, especially

because it was a long two, but, you know, I feel like I had a good idea of when we go in. Caleb, we have about 30 seconds here. If I showed you a standard stock photo of Nicola Jokic and I said to you, that's the best basketball player in the world. Would you believe me? No chance. Thank you. Cheers, man. No chance. Yes, great. Are you nice? No chance.

We have more than 30 seconds. He lies to you. He can't help himself on that front. Are you aware that you had 135 points on 88 shots and Jalen Brown had 133 points on 134 shots in that series? No, I had no idea. I was just hoping and I don't really, you know, I wait to look at the numbers I guess until like after the series and stuff like that, it's open. But I didn't know the, you know, logistics of the numbers and that like that. But I'm going to go play and play confidence. So I just, whatever it can't with, is trying to play with it. So are you surprised at all that you had more

threes in the series than both Tatum and Brown? I mean, consider how, you know, that does surprise me a little bit just because how well they can score the ball. You know, they're two of the best scores in league. And, you know, I just, you know, credit to our defense and stuff that make itself on them and try to take that aspect of their game away. We just knew when they got rid of them,

especially from the three point line, it was gonna be a long night. So we just tried to do everything we could to make itself on them. And I think, you know, we did a pretty good job there. Once Tatum was injured, was the entire game planned. Send Jalen Brown to his left. I think that was, that's the, that was always the game plan. Always game plan. And then Dan likes to do this thing where he's putting everything on

Jason Tatum's injury, not knowing exactly how hurt your entire team was. No, but wait a minute. I guess it was out there. That was gratuitous. Like, this thing I was like that. Like, this thing I was like that. That was gratuitous. You don't think they wanted to send Jaylen Brown to his left prior to? Wait a minute, you say this thing I like to do. I mean, it does matter.

It doesn't diminish their victory at all. We're talking about a dude that became the best wing on the court, Avery Hype, who extended his knee. It doesn't diminish their victory at all. It does. It does. When you gratuitously add Jason Tatum, turn to his ankle. Come out there, man. You know, he didn't hurt at that bed if he's not getting treatment constantly in between get out of here with that and also Caleb

You being on the show allows me yet a third opportunity now to apologize directly to the face of a Miami-Hee player because during this season I got to tell you I was out to see I lost all hope this was a really difficult season when you compare it to the number one seat of last year. Were you like me? Did you lose hope sometimes? Do you understand why I lost hope? It's basically except my apology. I'm sorry, Caleb Martin, for doubting you guys. I appreciate it. No, I'm not saying why you would. I don't, you know, I never lost hope. I always knew, I think that was why I was the most frustrated because we knew we had, we knew we were capable of and we knew like we just knew what we could do, but we just weren't doing it. And we just weren't getting it done the way we were supposed to. And so now I never lost hope. It was just, it was just frustrating that time just because I knew we were capable of so much more.

But, you know, let's go back to the injuries. We had a ton of injuries. We had a, you know, we had all one-haul NBA got a vehicle was out. We had 20 points score and a tie to a six-man a year who was out, you know, everybody at this point in season dealing with injuries. And, you know, you know, you know, when you're out there playing about it, you know, about it.

Terri is if you heard it not. Last thing, the heat shot, 45 percent are better from three eight times all season they did four times against Boston they did it two times against the box one matters the inspirational video that people are talking about uh... i'd like some details was it just media members saying that you guys didn't have any chance because

i feel like that's what the inspirational video would be. The 15 minute inspirational video. What was in there? Which one? I mean, the one that was being credited that Spote didn't want to talk about after the game. Oh, no. Now, we, it was a video on a group of guys like they put it this team together to roll across it.

And there was different factors that kind of played that really related to our team with guys going down or maybe having a little bit of doubt just because of how tough it is or how, you know. So we just had a lot of relatable things that related back from the video to our team, especially now we watched it in the Bahamas for a training camp earlier this summer.

And then we ended up watching it again full circle and after everything we went through the season that people don't know the heck for it. They really shed a lot of lack on the things that they were going through when we were going through. So there was a good video, a good video. But was it like a real row boat or like one of those boats that has like a giant room on it and probably like one of those little engines and then they take breaks like we've had one of those guys on the

Flocks of Rebo. Yeah, nice to the my house some of those boats. Yeah, it was like a it was like a it was like a smaller boat. It kind of had like a little green spot like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was great. I'm glad it works for you guys, but I'm not fine Caleb, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it. Congratulations, sir Appreciate you. I thank you. Thank you Caleb