The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Smoking On The Plane
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So Tony Tonight or the Tonight Show or.
Yeah, I'm hosting the Tonight Show on CBS.
Is Lewis your cohost?
NBC, so. NBC, whatever.
Who cares, who watches that stuff?
Is Lewis cohosting with you?
What happened?
What's going on?
Lewis is part of the ensemble.
Chris is gonna be here.
We've got a lot of the guys outside are gonna be here.
So it's gonna be a fun show.
Mike Ryan gonna be here?
Mike Ryan's gonna be in the building.
Billy gonna be here?
No.
You know what?
Let's start with Tony.
With against the Strids!
Against the Strids!
Guys, NBA Summer League is in full effect.
Your Miami Heat minus 4 and 1 half point favorites
against the Dallas Mavericks.
I like what I'm seeing from the Heat guys, Jeremy.
Kashad Johnson and them boys looking very, very strong.
I'm going to take the Heat minus 4 and 1 half against the Sprint!
Put it on the poll, please, Juju.
Are you a total degenerate if you're betting Summer
League at LeBotard Show? Or let's not put that up there. Jeremy, up to you. Please do you are you a total degenerate if you're betting summer league at?
Or let's not put that up there Jeremy up to you
Well, we were just talking about the WNBA earlier Caitlin Clark's, Indiana fever at the Dallas wings fever are four-point favorites
We're picking the spread! Lucy, we're always pro-Katelyn Clark around here.
Have you watched her recently?
She's been amazing.
She's been so good.
She missed her setting every record.
She's been so good.
And the Fever have been really, really good.
They've won eight out of their last 12.
I mean, playoff team.
Analysis.
Yeah, they're in the playoffs right now.
Someone picked the Washington Mystics last edition
of Against the Spread against Caitlin Clark
and won.
Well, she dropped one of the craziest
stat lines in WNBA history that game.
It's not my fault that Christy Sides doesn't know what to do.
Here's a stat line that counts W's.
That's what the Mystics delivered that game.
Well, good add, it's Christy's fault.
And so now, here I am, not planned, not prepared,
but don't worry, even though Jeremy's a thief,
I have another game. Well, we'll come back to you
Does it right now? I'm ready. Don't tell me out. All right, let's go. I think more order
I would think that somebody would talk with somebody else plan it a little bit
Wearing a Katelyn Clark hat so I feel like that game we're in a contract here. It's got to be better than this
Are you good analysis is really good? I acted on my feet there
You went rogue and talked about the Tony show
and I go, you know what?
I'm thinking on my feet, Tony, you go first.
Wow.
That was like an expert.
Improv.
Contract to your Tony show.
We want this stuff to be genuine and feel real, you know?
This isn't manufactured stuff, Dan.
This is from my heart.
Yeah.
And from my heart, I do have a game.
I'm pulling it up right now.
From my heart, I am taking the Lynx tonight,
they're hosting the Dream, it's an eight point spread,
the Lynx are favorite.
The Dream, I am very, very sorry to Juju,
this is his favorite team,
but they've been pretty bad this year.
They just have not been good.
And the Lynx, they're coming off a loss,
to guess who?
The Fever.
Against the Fever.
Against the Fever.
The Spread.
Oh yeah, against the Spread. But I did so good on the part before that it's okay that I forgot that last part. Billy Boy spread. The spread. Oh yeah, against the spread.
But I did so good on the part before
that it's okay that I forgot that last part.
Billy Boy, bring us home.
Well, here's the issue, gang.
I had a game.
A baseball game.
I had the Cubs and the Dbacks.
However, it's the All-Star break.
Yeah, that's not a game that's-
No, the game's on Friday.
I was gonna tell you who to take because I know- You could do that. Half of the pitching matchup. Yeah, that's not a game that's... No, the game's on Friday. I was gonna tell you who to take because I know...
You could do that.
...half of the pitching matchup.
No, you can do that.
I can do that.
You're gonna pick...
Yeah, Justin Steele, Chicago Cubs starting pitcher.
He has been hot lately.
Yeah, no, against this spread you can pick games headed into the weekend.
Billy's been on fire.
NFL games.
What?
What'd you say?
It's the All-Star break.
I missed you. What'd you say? It's also about the All-Star break for WNBA. We can't pick WNBA games also. What? What'd you say? It's the All-Star break. I missed you, what'd you say?
It's also about to be the All-Star break for WNBA.
Like we can't pick WNBA games also.
What are we supposed to do?
Pibbles performing the halftime show?
I'm just telling you this, okay?
Right now, Friday's game, Diamondbacks Cubs.
Justin Steele is set to start against TBD.
Now, here's what I'll tell you.
Doesn't matter. Take the Cubs, take
Justin Steele. He has been hot lately. Seven innings pitched his last time out.
A complete game the time before. One earned run, the complete game. Steele is hot
right now, Dan. You mentioned that. So you want to take Steele. Now, again,
because it's coming up and it's a TBD. We don't have a, here's how baseball works. It's always one and a half. I don't
know if it's plus or minus one and a half. So I don't know because of the TBD. Take the
steel! Against the spray! I thought he was going to break it down. TBD's got a nasty
curve. No, go in there, go into the penalty box and go ahead and show off your guns down TBD's got a nasty curve. You know, something like that. Go in there, go into the penalty box
and go ahead and show off your guns.
TBD DNM does not matter.
Take Steel against the Spur.
Hang 10 in the penalty box.
Ha!
Shotgun!
Yeah, get out of here.
Thank you, good talking to you.
I'm glad you provided that expert efficient analysis
that you always do. Steel's hot.
Yes, that's what you mentioned.
Hot Steel. Ha ha ha ha ha you mentioned. It's a hot steel.
He's so funny.
Is he?
He's a really funny guy.
I'm glad you find him amusing.
Really funny guy.
Yeah.
He's not that funny.
Sit in Dan's chair.
Yeah.
Thank you.
He's not that funny.
Not that funny.
Not that funny when you're always hitting the joke around
here for 20 years that's our most winning joke, which is
just annoy Dan. It's the easiest joke. You should do a show where you just try to annoy Billy.
And he's the greatest we have at it. He is the best we've ever had. It's got to be him
right? Greg Cody and me. You would say so but I would say that one who did it a little
too much is the producer before Mike Ryan. What me, man? You're coming strong.
Do you know what that was, Dan?
That was his little fake Trump.
That was the little fake Biden that sounds like Trump.
That was not Trump.
It was clearly Biden.
I heard it the whole way.
That's your Biden one, right?
He telegraphed it.
Bruce Springsteen.
I want you to keep working on it, okay?
Look, this is what's happening, okay?
I want to explain to you what's happening in this industry. People get tired of our industry talk.
There are a few things happening in the podcast business,
which is a shitty business, okay?
We're good, but it's a shitty business.
Like, 98% of the podcasts out there,
it's not a good deal for them.
Top 10 today, check it out.
A lot of professional assholes
who have just drifted over to the grift on the right
and then like that
had cash and money like crazy next
comedians joe rogan and everything that he spawn there
shane gillis in that world
is going to do a lot with trump impersonations to carry his career
we need to keep up and chris cody you're the man in charge
all no one else here is willing to do a Trump or a Biden.
That's not true, Dan.
Okay, Tony, you can catch up.
Man of a thousand impersonations.
That's not bad, man.
Finally.
Not terrible.
Pretty good.
Yours is terrible.
You just gotta get a little redder.
A little pinker.
You're right there, man. Yours is not, you're biting me.
What do you mean?
Oh, his is good, Dan.
That's actually not bad.
His is good.
Not terrible.
That's not terrible.
We gotta come together.
Little southern twang there.
Little George Bush in that one.
Little southern twang.
I am willing to wait you out and work it out
until you get confidence in it
because I believe that impersonations,
after,
before maybe singing on air,
impersonations are the most vulnerable thing to try
before you have confidence in them out here.
So I'm gonna keep giving you the space to do
Biden versus Trump when you're terrible at both of them.
Thanks, man.
I'm gonna keep working at it.
I'll get there.
All right.
Because we're gonna need this.
More and more like W.
Let's do it together.
Walker.
I mean.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
I want him to keep working on it.
Encourage him.
Do not rip it.
Support him, unlike the Tonight Show with Tony
and Pitch Clock.
It's the Tony show.
The Pitch Clock, the great show that Jeremy.
The biggest audience that shows.
Such a big audience. Thank you. I made a pitch clock, but I made it the pitch
Samson show it's a show big it's only David Samson. No Jeremy
The
Thing that I read Stu got I really miss i don't know if put on the pole please judra at lebatard showed do you miss how thick magazines used to be because
uh... i got to do a lot of reading in the incredible amount of flying that uh...
is required to get to africa and back so it was
forty-hour trips and i just miss reading Esquire and GQ and I the the magazines
are just thin semblances of what they used to be but there were a couple of
interesting things that I read that I wanted to put before you guys that I did
not know one of them was what seems like a painful painful disaster for Kevin
Costner that you might sort of laugh at
and say he's got a lot of money.
But Kevin Costner made Yellowstone,
which was and might still be
the most popular television show in America.
It broke apart because of differences
between him and the showrunner.
And he then decided to make a movie and
they tell you all the time do not do this even though I've recently done it
with metal art do not put your own money in Kevin Costner spent 38 million
dollars on trying to get Horizon made now I know Francis Ford Coppola for a
long time has been trying to make his own movie Now I know Francis Ford Coppola for a long time has
been trying to make his own movie but it's really hard to do all of these
things independently which is part of why it is I've had panic attacks the
last three and a half years. Kevin Costner putting in 38 million dollars
only means that he's going to have to sell one of his amazing homes. But it's still 38 million dollars that he spent
years on a project with left the number one television show in America and it's bombed.
It hasn't bombed like Waterworld but it's gotten taken out of theaters and I'm just like, oh my god,
no matter how successful you are, no matter how much in your life you've accrued to spend that much time and caring on something
and have it flop, have it just fall out of the gate
when you invested in it, you believed in it so much
that no one else would give you the money for it.
He hadn't found the funding.
He's been working on it for years, the idea of it.
Perhaps you should have taken the hint.
I mean, no one was giving him money for the project
because perhaps they thought it was
going to bomb.
But Stugats, these are people who have had a great deal of success betting on themselves.
And yeah, you can say no one's going to give the project any money because it bombs, or
you can say, man, corporate media has really gone to shit where all of these avenues don't
actually make good and creative choices. Everyone's
in business together getting eaten up, harvested by private equity, and so a lot of bad decisions
are being made at the top of corporate structure that has our friend Mike Schur building a
nine million dollar ballpark in the middle of Iowa to create Field of Dreams, and then
the project just goes away because all of these people are just interested in saving
money. I think the other issue too is that Horizon was too much like Yellowstone. It's like he And then the project just goes away because all of these people are just interested in saving money
I think the other issue too is that horizon was too much like Yellowstone
It's like he was all in on the American West saga and we're like wait
Is this Yellowstone or is this something else? Yellowstone is already good. Taylor Sharon who's the writer of Yellowstone
Has already come off with spin-offs obviously before Yellowstone the show
So it's like was this another spin-off that he's just a part of? Is this another movie?
It just looked like the same thing to me.
Classic movie line.
If they build it, if you, shit.
If you build it, they'll cancel it.
That's actually pretty decent.
Nailed it, Dan.
No, no, no, he had the line.
I told him to do it in Biden's voice.
That's what screwed me up.
I was just gonna say it normal.
He's like, do it as Biden, and then I did.
If you build it, they'll cancel it.
I would've crushed if I did it right the first time.
Man, just throw a man in at the end.
Go sit in the penalty box.
Oh, come on, that's on me.
You go sit with him.
Oh, Jesus.
Rare accountability from Stu Gotz.
It was totally on me.
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Don LeBattard.
Punctuate this segment with what is your strike three call.
Strike one would be, strike! And then you stand up and you give a good point to the right still gods
That's same for strike two, but strike three you get down low. You got your hands behind the catcher
All right, the right arm goes up into the air. Yeah, and then you finish it with the punch
Right arm flings way up into the air
Yeah! I wish I could see that.
It's terrible.
The audio's great.
This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats.
The other thing that I read about, and it's unfortunate that I just kicked Stugats out,
what happened?
Billy, can you find the sounder there
for the penalty box, what we're sending people away for?
All time Big East team or?
We'll get back to that in a second.
We'll get to, what are the hockey sounders
that we have back there that we could play
that would indicate that Stu Gotts and Chris Cody
have been sent to the penalty box for something?
I'll wait, it's fine.
The other thing that I was reading in, I believe
it was Esquire, something I did not know, it was also in this Kevin Costner article,
I think. Did you guys know that there's still places in America, restaurants and bars where
you can smoke cigarettes inside? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. How many? I'm
assuming a lot. Great. My hometown is home of RJ
Reynolds Tobacco so you can smoke anywhere. You can like
smoking schools. Hell yeah. I don't think you actually can but
maybe. We've got a major penalty. Five minutes derailing.
Five minutes derailing. I thought it was good.
Were you guys aware that you could smoke indoors?
I thought Oklahoma City might be rare
in being a place where you can smoke indoors.
Is the Midwest filled with restaurants and bars
that you can smoke in?
It definitely surprises me that they're consistent.
I remember as a kid going to a restaurant in North Carolina
and it was like the first time that I was old enough
to realize people were smoking cigarettes
and understand what the smell was
and be frustrated by that.
And I was like, I can't believe this still happens anywhere.
And I haven't experienced that since I was like 14 years old.
I feel like it has to do with the amount
of either food being processed at the restaurant,
or if it's like a bar solely that you can get away
with smoking inside a bar if there's no food,
stuff like that.
But we've talked about it on the show.
It was until the other day that you could smoke
on an airplane, smoke in restaurants.
I remember going to restaurants like the Ale House, right?
And it was like smoking or not smoking.
It was like 2004 or whatever, and I was like,
this is crazy.
I just, I thought we had eradicated all of that. I hadn't been, I,
I learned that while smoking a cigar in a bar as that rule was changing,
it was in Washington and I was like, I was like, they were like, no,
you can't do that in here.
You're like what? I could do it in Miami. What do you mean? That's right.
That's exactly what I was like, what are you talking about?
Since when was exactly my reaction?
I had the same reaction when they wouldn't take my cash
at that same bar.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Like what is changing?
Take away my smoking, take away my cash.
What are we doing here?
I'm gonna have to get a gun.
I'm gonna have to, because-
You're gonna have to produce an old West movie
like Kevin Costner.
They're changing all the rules on me
in a way that makes me uncomfortable and feel threatened.
I like the way that America was back then.
I think we need to make America great again.
They're letting women be competitive?
There used to be a non-smoking section on an airplane.
How does that work?
No, that can't be.
There used to be a non-smoking section.
In March 1995, now that's the ban internationally,
in 1994 Delta was the first US airline
to ban smoking worldwide.
Hold on, I saw it here somewhere.
That's all right, we'll wait for you.
We'll get to it, don't you worry.
That's fine, we'll also get Stugats's thoughts on this.
I don't know if he's been listening to what it is
that we've been doing.
Do you think that he knows that there are places
in America? When is he listening?
Well, that's another good point by you. even when he's sitting in that chair that's
right come on god he's gotten so good at faking it so good at faking it he's got
expert nods expert chuckles expert laughs he he he is I will say someone who
has perfected not listening well better than anyone in the history of media, I would say.
Do you argue he has to be good at listening
to be able to be that good at faking listening?
No, I would not.
No?
He is not good at listening.
You're giving him far too much credit.
Like he's capable of it, but he chooses not to?
Maybe?
No, he's got ADD.
United Airlines created a non-smoking section in 1971,
the first airline to do so.
And how does it work?
It's just- You can't smoke in that section.
Thank you, I appreciate the elaboration
that isn't helpful in any way.
Was it in the back of the plane?
Were people in first class, like imagine that,
in one seat in first class.
You got one non-smoking seat of the six in first class,
and it's like the other-
The guy next to you is just blowing his finger
right in your face, like, oh, fuck!
The middle seats.
The problem is, is that on an airplane, it's closed.
So if they're smoking anywhere,
you're still gonna get it.
That is the problem, yes, you've revealed.
It's a giant tube in the sky,
and everyone's gonna get it if you're smoking, even if you're smoking gonna get it. That is the problem, yes. You've revealed it's a giant tube in the sky and everyone's gonna get it if you're smoking,
even if you're smoking in the bathroom.
And on most airplanes you can't roll down the window
so it has no place to go.
The one I flew to Bimini, you can roll down the window.
See?
The Boeing's, they just come right off.
Whenever Tony's around,
you have to leave a little wiggle room for,
I have a story that's gonna contradict whatever you say.
So I left that little wiggle room set and most airplanes you can't go down the window
sure enough he's been on the the puddle jumper that you take from Fort Lauderdale
to Bimini the windows go down a hundred percent because I saw the pilot open up
both windows and then open up our windows during the flight yeah yeah I was
like one of those little ones it doesn't have a C probably it doesn't have a C but
that's why I'm the co-pilot because I'm right behind him if he goes down I step up and we do it. Can you Billy in any way find
elaborations that are helpful on how it is the non-smoking section would work on an airplane?
Was it the last row? Was it this you've heard me say fairly shocked recently they used to serve
prime rib. I think they used to be a glorious thing
to fly across the country in an airplane.
People used to wear suits on planes.
And at baseball games.
In the 1950s, if you wanted to go to a baseball game,
you had to wear a top hat and a suit.
Did people own shorts back then?
Are you saying it was mandatory?
I mean, judging from the crowd
shots, judging from looking at the people who were bothering Jackie Robinson in
their suits and hats, yes, it seemed like it was mandatory to dress up for a 1950s
baseball game. It's like going to one of those restaurants where you need to have a
sport coat so they've got a few in the back just in case you don't show up
dressed right. Get over yourself, restaurant, you need a sports a sport coat so they've got a few in the back just in case you don't show up dressed right?
Get over yourself, restaurant, you need a sports coat. Come on, give me a break.
Have any of you ever had that happen? Because I've had it happen once where they gave me
one of the rented jackets that you just grab and it was too short on the sleeves and I'm
like, really, we have to do it?
No, better without it.
No, you're the one who screwed up you wore gym shorts
Again though, I shouldn't have to wear it just ridiculously your too tight toddlers jacket that goes up to my elbows
Because you've got a dress this place is so expensive. You need us wear a sport coat
So expensive, but not to me. Maybe to you. Maybe you might be I mean expensive for you. It's the dress code, right? They're gonna pay a thousand dollars to eat here. I can dress however I want. No, cuz there's a dress code
They could tell you just go home. They're giving you an option to say I will go home. Okay
Why'd you go there in the first place? I don't know
I do feel like Tony's grown up in a Miami that pretty much you you're allowed in everywhere
The way that you're dressed.
Like almost without reservation.
You're allowed to go into a place
because Miami dresses down a little bit.
Well you're famous though.
Like you can get places.
I have to have reservations and I have to follow the rules.
If I wear sneakers I can't go to certain places.
I wear sneakers everywhere.
I'm not Tony.
Thank you.
Tony tonight. 7 p.m. presented by DraftKings. That'm not Tony. Thank you Tony tonight
7 p.m. Presented by DraftKings. That's not the name of it. It is Tony show
Not there's not an apostrophe s. I know it's Tony show
Not 2.0 part 2 part 2 part 2 is it a continuation of part 1 like do we need to watch something in part 1 to get? Part 2 no, it's a sequel. It's a sequel but it's A standalone.
It's non-linear, yeah.
Got it.
Would you guys please,
I'm gonna need some assistance here
because I feel like we're generally disorganized.
We don't do a lot of great planning.
We don't execute things with finality.
I've been told that we are planning something
that resembles a show Olympics in honor of the Olympics.
Lucy, have you not heard of this?
Why are you making a face?
I haven't heard of it.
Again, planning communication.
Okay, so I get back from vacation
and they tell me we're doing a show Olympics.
Can anyone give me more information?
We are efforting to have, you know,
you gotta find locations and stuff.
So like nothing is set in stone yet,
but we are looking to find a pool
to put you two in a pool,
maybe with the other members of the show,
but mainly you two,
to settle the debate of who would win in a swimming race.
Is this because I brought it up
when Dan was on vacation,
I said I could beat Dan and they swim me?
Is that why we're doing it?
Yep.
I regret saying that.
I need time.
I need a lot of lead time on this, okay?
Cause you're asking me to wear a bathing suit.
I don't know how to dive.
I can swim and I can swim pretty fast,
but I need some lead time on this.
I need to get in shape.
It's all a negotiation.
Like you could say to Dan,
hey, we both wear shirts, something like that.
What?
I don't want to swim in a shirt, okay?
It does make you less aerodynamic,
but if you both have it.
Listen, once I get into the pool,
diving is a problem for me, okay? Greg Louganis, I am not. But once I get in the pool, diving is a problem for me, okay?
Greg Louganis, I am not.
But once I get in there, I'm like Rowdy Gaines, okay?
I mean, I can swim.
I'm a swimmer.
I can't dive.
My concern is Dan's gonna beat me on the dive
because anyone who knows swimming knows
it's all about the dive and the turn.
That's it, the dive and the turn.
I mean.
I am not a fast swimmer.
I am willing to do this.
I am not so pathetic that I would say to you I want to do it in a shirt
That's what suit maybe I'm just looking out for my man here in the handle
Well, I just don't need this to be something that feels so much not like the Olympics that I'm in there in a t-shirt
I'm also looking out for the viewers because it's not
The more embarrassing it is for me,
and Stugat, the better that it is.
Alright, speedos.
I just, Stugat's having the idea
that if we give him three months,
he's gonna get into shape is amazing.
It's a man, yeah, there's gonna be,
he's gonna look like Lenny Kravitz
and swim like Michael Phelps
if I just give him a couple of months.
He'll have the V.
He'll have the V. He'll have the V.
One of the great swimmers of all time.
The D'Angelo, he's gonna have, that's right.
We're all gonna be amazed that Stu got rockets
through the pool in a way that makes us believe
he could have won a bronze medal at the Olympics.
He just needs a couple of months of training.
You arguing on behalf of I would kill Dan in a swim meet
as someone who has said for, I don't know, 15 years
that you could score five times in penalty kicks
against a goalie and we've never executed it,
just give me some time.
Yeah, just get me a goalie.
Yeah, just get, we've done it a number of times.
We've got you a goalie and you don't execute anything.
Just give me some time is Stu Gotz's universal move
for kicking the can down the road so it never gets done.
And I don't know how it keeps working around here.
That move should no longer work.
We should be forced during the Olympics
to have a swim meet no matter what shape
Stu Gotzenheide are in.
I don't think I will win that.
I think you will beat me.
I have never swum quickly.
Swam.
Swam?
Check that one out Mr. Ryder.
Swam.
Swam.
Is it?
Swam.
Definitely not swam.
Not swam. Are you guys Swam, yeah. Definitely not swam. Not swam.
Are you guys sure?
100%.
Pretty positive.
All of you are positive.
It's swam.
Dan's a writer.
Okay, he got it.
He also didn't know analyzation,
he didn't know that one.
Past participle of swim is swam.
What does that mean?
That's a past participle though,
that's different.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know.
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slash DFS. Don LeBattard. While I was gone, a third Zagacki was born and I think I heard,
correct me if I'm wrong here, Jeremy trying to partake in a fourth Zagacki and I am here for a
future where I am surrounded by a chorus of clucking Zagakis. Stugats.
You know what it means when you have four Zagakis, Dan?
You don't have one.
This is the Dan LeVatar Show with the Stugats.
Do you get annoyed every time Dan LeVatar
pontificates about the sports media industry?
Well, too bad, motherf*****.
He knows he don't give a damn about what he's gonna say.
It's time for sports media talk today.
Earlier in the show, I didn't even bring it up.
Billy brought it up.
I didn't bring up Skip Bayless or any of that stuff.
But I have learned over the last few months that a lot of people do not like
when I talk about this stuff, and I thought Juju was
very correct when he said the reason people don't talk or want me to talk about this stuff is because they're dollar amounts that don't
affect our daily lives. All of us have problems. We don't need to hear how much Stephen A. Smith
thinks he is worth. But the reason,
Stu Gotson, I'm curious why it's not more interesting in here. The reason I talk
about it so much is that everything we've done over the last three and a
half years, all of the tumult that has pulled me away from family during an important time it's all because we are trying to change in alter
the way that these things are valued so that the corporations can't keep all the
money
so that we can feed it our thing
with a new value that makes steven a look at what we're making and say wait a
minute
why are that they're not worth more than i am why do they have a deal that's better
than mine and it is better than his he's saying not anymore
not anymore i want a better deal
than the one they have and the one mcafee has and so
because that's so it's been a singular obsession of mine even though you know
i've never cared at all about money
you know this it feeds everyone here the fact that we're trying to change the way
all of this is done so that we insist that everybody
who wants to work with us no
we're worth this
not that because we know what our inventory is we know what our value is
and we want to show everyone else in the industry
What it is?
Why aren't you guys more interested in it given that it feeds everyone here?
I mean and I asked the question pardon my tone because I really don't understand why you wouldn't be interested
I've never been interested in the intricacies of this never never thought about it, but now I've had to it kind of makes me miserable
I don't want to think about it. It's the enemy of fun like it really is to be to have creativity
Contaminated by having to think about this garbage that pollutes it
But I do genuinely wonder I ask all of you. Why aren't you guys more interested in?
Oh my god skip Bayless's seat just open and Fox built the whole thing around
Let's just get two ESPN's old white guys call in and skip will put
him here will build a whole industry only shit now nick right is worth more
than everybody
cuz fox just lost bail is a god
i don't even know how much cow herds gonna get
cuz he's he's really smart
and really calculates to dot
you and i
spent time in jacksonville with
him any plus
he fell asleep at eight p m yet at the dinner table and he knows so much about
focus groups and how you get with you know the west coast we didn't know any
of that shit
all of it
and he wants to be at the end of his career
the mogul that simmons is
the mogul that paid manning is the mogul that
mac if he is
and i'd just genuinely ask you guys the question because it's been a life
consumption of mine an obsession is made me really unhappy not this thing this
thing i love
but the thing has to maintain its value so everything that you have to deal
with everywhere else is just a giant pain in the ass.
I think I go with Juju on this in terms of why
I'm not interested on the air and discussing it.
I don't think our audience is interested.
And so I try to always do it through that prism.
If you and I were sitting outside,
you know, on a patio rocking chairs,
I can talk to you about it till the end of time.
But talking about it on the air,
I'm kind of with Juju like,
hey, don't want to hear about what Skip Ballas wants to be,
not feeling bad for Skip Ballas, he made hundreds of millions of dollars
giving sports opinions for his entire life.
Okay, so yes, all of it understood, but I just got done telling you that
Greg Cody, overgrown toddler, hasn't grown up, good at one thing.
Tim Kirkschen, overgrown toddler, hasn't grown up up good at one thing Tim Kirch and overgrown toddler hasn't grown up good at one thing Dan Levitard
overgrown toddler good at one thing this has been
a singular obsession of mine for 30 years
to be good at this
at what it is we're doing and by accident we are good at this stuff but by accident it has
resulted in a value
that as soon as the corporation started cutting next thing you know chris cody
is out and we're like wait a minute
that's not the way it's supposed to work in a business that cares about people is
it
is that the way it's supposed to work so everybody who rides with this show the
backstory of it goes back forever stood out
do you think that at any point in my sports writing career
the draft king's deal is worth so much more than people think
it is
steven a knows this
mcafee knows this
if you're in business with us
if you're in loyalty with us i just walked into
another student i saw
pablo torrey and skipper and samson uh... doing a podcast that i know to be
smarter about sports business than anything and i know how you're consuming
it so there is a lot there are a whole lot of people who want to learn about
this they don't just happen to be our audience which wants us to do normal
high jinks but i'm explaining to you and the audience
hey the normal high jinks pay for everything and also
hey steven a
you have to be a company man
your company
man
but you can come out and keep us company but i think steven a loves i think he
thinks he could pull it off both of them he could stay at ESPN and still be right and all of these wall, but does why doesn't anybody care when?
What I'm pointing out to you is Fox got into this business in the laziest way possible. They just said hey Bayless
Hey coward, can you come over here and hot take and they built everything they built and then in that time first take contaminated everything all of it went
to garbage debate television
and in the doing of that
steven a smith
kills
the end up of the guy's career who gave him the entire opportunity to work it
is p and that is the top of our game
and i'd i I still don't understand,
I'll have to put down my sword,
because it's clear that nobody wants to hear about it,
but you understand why it has been a singular obsession
of mine for three and a half years?
I'll tell you why,
because Stu Gotts always wants more money.
I don't even know if you're right that the audience
doesn't want it.
Like, Stu, are you even right that the audience doesn't, because that's like, we don't get know if you're right that the audience like Stu. Are you even right that the audience doesn't because that's like we don't get better numbers on videos than when Dan like it's about
Stephen a Smith and stuff. So there's something going on there. Maybe they're hate watching it. Maybe no
It's it's not our normal audiences people want it. It's just our audience doesn't want it like it's other people
I'm not judging this by social media clicks and hits and all that stuff
I just I feel like I know our audience after 20 years of doing this and maybe I'm wrong
I could be wrong and maybe there's been a change
I just don't feel like that's what they want to hear from us all the time
You know, so not that dad does it all the time, but he does it enough where no I do it
I do it too much, but I'm telling you why I do it too much. It's two gods. Look it
so no i do it i do it too much but i'm telling you why i do it too much still got to look it one of the things i'm trying to do embarrassing myself on south beach
sessions pablo's encouraging me to do this just
be more publicly vulnerable
try
to uh... link up with your audience in a way that's not concealed where your
insecurities are try not to
Try not to hide I
Am trying and have been trying since we did this to show people what it is that we're trying
To do too so they could be proud of it with us because I'm proud of it and it's a hard
It's a hard thing to do
when I tell you, panic attacks, do gods. We've talked about this before,
but I've never talked about this part of it publicly,
because when I tell you I've been passing out in places,
it's the scariest thing that I could possibly do to my wife.
Like the last thing I see every time is her fear.
Like the last thing I see every time is her fear. So if you want me to care like that and if you will follow my curiosities to the places
where you care about our show enough so that we can do all this stuff because we know you're
with us and that loyalty is at least in part because
this is an authentic thing that you kind of feel like you know. I don't expect you to have to care
about me talking about this but I will kind of ask you to tolerate it because I do think that the
innards of this business are interesting and when I talk about the player empowerment all the time
if the punter arrives at the game and changes everything what do you think
lebron and payton manning and tom brady are gonna want
when they when the athletes of all recognize that this is a business that
if you do it correctly you can be the calce's and you're so much bigger than
football players like you can have a career
For 30 years after the one that made you famous Shannon Sharp
There are people watching him now who don't understand the degree of difficulties on what he just
Created and have forgotten that he's a Hall of Famer and one of the best to ever play his position and
Furthermore as a lifetime single man who is crazed by competitive
and furthermore as a lifetime single man who is crazed by competitive shannon sharp wants to beat everybody at this game
he's a life long single person who's like
i am going to crush everybody because of my competitiveness
because in this is no slight on mcafee but if you're shannon sharp you're
saying
if he can do that
why can i do that
i think a lot of players current current players, are having similar thoughts, like towards
the end of their career.
But they all are now, Stu Gotts.
All, I mean, Patrick Beverly, all, Draymond Green, they're all now, they've all seen now
the planning of the end of their careers.
But all show I've been getting inundated, and I understand this part too, people are
plenty tired of talking about LeBron and empowerment, but all show long I've been getting inundated i understand this part two people are plenty tired of talking about lebron in empowerment
but all show long i've been getting dan doesn't realize what michael jordan has
done and i'm like you don't realize what lebron is intent on doing like i'm well
aware of how much money lebron mcgarr i'm sorry michael jordan made in and for
nike all those people are right
that's fine and you can think that but when one of your businesses
again paid manning
nine years seven hundred million dollars just from the s p and that's not the
netflix stuff and that's just from the s p and moon
and also lebron can do a lot with the sneaker companies as well and lebron is
already buying teams and will probably buy an NBA team.
And on top of that, what's the percentage he's getting
on all of these other basketball players
that now work for him as he plays against them
because they are clients of his friend?
You're just not paying attention
to how interested this person in the end of his career is to beating Michael Jordan there even those two gods thinks
He never will and beating Tom Brady beating Tom Brady there even though Tom Brady is gonna get
375 million dollars for 20 weekends. I
I don't I I've lost everybody
All Big East teamer. I've lost everything
The top five Big East team or? I've lost every. I was waiting for that all hour. The top five Big East team. We never got to it. Post game show. Stu gots here for my
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