The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: Go Pee Pee
Episode Date: September 6, 2023It's the David Samson local hour, and it's off to a very smooth start. David chats with Dan, Stu, Amin, and the crew about Giancarlo Stanton's 400th HR, Julio Urias, why he's bothered by the lack of S...tephen Ross hate in this market, and a legendary poop story involving a Yankees president. Plus, guaranteed NFL contracts, horse hockey, and David's Top 5 Football Movies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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David...
David Samson has a list of grievances
That he'd like to file let's just start the show
All right, what happened there? I'm wrong to buttons. All right. Let's just start over
Thank you excellent work Jessica welcome back
David Samson has a list of grievances that he'd like to file
David Samson has a list of grievances that he'd like to file related to Metal Arc media. One of them is that he is now going to be for the foreseeable
future. His local hour is going to be on Wednesdays instead of Thursdays
because Metal Arc media has signed a new deal with
Meena Kines.
Get him bumped. I'm not sure if you're going to get a chance to win. I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to win.
I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to win.
I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to win.
I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to win.
I'm not sure if you're going to
get a chance to win.
I'm not sure if you're going to get a chance to win. I'm not sure if you wanted to bring up, you wanted to bring up
Jean-Carlo Stanton and the fact that he hit his 400th home run. You brought up a question.
What are the numbers related to Stanton because you're wondering whether Stanton's a
Hall of Famer?
Well, so he hit his 400th home run, which I was surprised. I shouldn't be surprised, because
he hit I think 267 or something with the Marlins. I was more surprised that it's been six
years already that he's been with the Yankees and he's only hit 133 since. had I think 267 or something with the Marlins. I was more surprised that it's been six years already that he's been with the Yankees
and he's only hit 133 cents.
So I think he's like the fourth or fifth fastest
to get to 400 career home runs.
He's only 33 years old, but like,
he's only hit 133 home runs the last six years
because of health.
So how many, he's young enough that you think
he could hit 500, 600 easily if he keeps it up,
but he's just not at that pace right now. Oh, who is six? Oh, okay. Well Chris says he's young enough that you think he could hit 500, 600 easily if he keeps it up, but he's just not at that pace right now.
Oh, who he sticks.
Oh, okay, well Chris says he's staying.
That's it.
Yeah.
So then we're trying to figure out like,
is he gonna have the numbers to get into the Hall of Fame
and is he doing so in like kind of like this very,
almost like anonymous way,
like he's just putting up all these numbers
but they don't really mean all that much right now.
Is Stan gonna be the first guy with 500 home runs to not make the hall of fame?
No, there's more.
There's people like that.
Raphael Palmero's there, Gary Sheffield's there like there's A-Rod's there, Barry Bond's.
There's plenty of people.
But we know why those people are having common.
Well, yeah.
Yeah, non-Stereoid division.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, Stan will be in the hall of fame at 500 home runs for sure.
And he's going to get to 500.
I mean, he had to live through the COVID year where he only had 60 games.
He has been injured, but he did it in the fourth fewest games ever,
but he got older by a year when only having 60 games to play in 2020.
The Marlins just opened the series against the Dodgers.
They beat Kershaw
yesterday there are half game out of the wild
uh...
uh...
your your thoughts in general about the dodger story involving hulio
ureyes he is uh... another domestic abuse charge uh... for the team
that gave us trevvr bowerauer, what's going to happen there with
his career?
I would say he was going to be the highest paid free agent.
He's a Boris client who was going into his free agent year.
He already had been suspended in 2019 somehow forgiven and forgotten.
And all he had to do to collect a long term deal from some sucker was going to be to keep pitching,
be healthy, and not get arrested.
And he could not do all three.
So following his arrest for felony battery, and it happened when he went to see Messi,
how he was on that list of celebrities who went to see Messi is strange to me,
but that said he's finished.
I do not believe there will be any team
who will offer him a contract.
I believe his suspension, no matter what Boris does,
no matter how much he tries to not have it that way.
I think Ria's best chance is to be Bauer's teammate
over in Japan because I do not believe he will get
a contract of any kind, and he'll likely be suspended
for a year because he's the first ever to time
a fender of this policy and they've got to make an example of him because this behavior
just has to stop.
The marlins fattened up on the nationals they'd be well under 500 if the nationals didn't
exist.
I think they're something like that.
I hate that.
I hate when people say that.
They're good against one team but they're below 500 against teams who are over 500, not named Washington. You got to play them all. They are where they
are and they're a half game out with only a few weeks left to play. You got to give them
the credit. I know they did it's doubt and you have to play them all. He's just saying
that they're beating the nationals. I heard the stats. I believe I have this right.
Not only are they 14 and two against the national national this year, but I think they've won 17 of the last 20 at Washington.
Like they really fat now upon the nationals.
He hates that.
Okay, but the braves fatten up on the nationals and the marlins too.
Like every team's fatten up on everybody.
Well, not.
They just went three or four against the Dodgers.
The man I saw, they tracked all this stuff now, Stugat.
And I saw the stat the other day that the Braves have hit 182 baseballs at more than 110
miles an hour.
It's 100 more than any other team and the teams beneath them with 88 angels and the Yankees,
the teams with Otoni and judge.
The Braves hit the ball harder than everybody else.
He's standing.
And Stanton, yes, when he's out there,
they throw people forget about it.
And at jazz chism, hit the hardest ball I've ever seen last night.
That was a ball.
That was only 109 to your point about the Braves.
He, I think he, I think he came close to hitting the roof.
What is the furthest ball you've
seen hit at the park? They all stand and relate it.
Stand and hit the scoreboard and left field once and broke it, but the most unbelievable
shot was the BP during the home run derby when Aaron Judge hit the roof, which we had
been promised by the architect and the contractor that no one would ever be able to hit the
roof.
And we had guys try when the building was under construction.
We had Hanley in there hitting balls.
We were trying to hit the roof and no one could and judged it.
What is the cost of judge or I'm sorry, Stanton breaking the scoreboard?
What is that cost?
It's six figures.
Didn't he just break a couple like LED panels?
Yeah, but it's not like changing a battery on your smoke detector in the middle of the night with a ladder.
Did you find him?
Yeah, what was it then? Oh, man.
No, you just do like the entire thing or?
No, you take it out of the public cat-bex fund.
Oh, what does that mean?
I think that's for like public.
There's always a fun to take it out.
You steal from the people probably.
There's always a fun.
It's a little kid didn't get his school books that year.
Six figures.
No, the fun is not from that.
Billy, come on.
The fun is from tourist tax revenue only.
Six figures?
Yeah, those scoreboards are very, very expensive.
And you don't just bring in a square, like take the square out and put the square in,
it's a whole magilla.
It was not ideal.
We actually were told, we tried to get it covered
by the warranty, and we were unable to do it,
but it was a fight, because our view was,
we thought the scoreboard could be in danger,
not the center field scoreboard, but the left field scoreboard.
There was a chance that someone could hit it.
And so we tried to do it when it was procured.
We tried to get the procurement officer
when the ballpark was being built to have it under warranty
in case that would happen.
And the warranty was for problems with the wiring
or problems with how it was installed,
but they would not ins ensure it against baseballs.
What do you regard as the greatest find of money like that, where you've been able to
use a warranty or something baseball-related creatively and get someone to cover an
expense in your history covering the marlins that you feel like you got away with a little
something by being able to execute it. We got an insurance company to pay all
legal fees for the huge lawsuit that happened with the exposed limited
partners when they sued us and bud-sealing and Bob to pay under Rico. And there
was some questions to whether or not they can be covered and it was a multi-year
fight which we prevailed not just against the partners who won nothing but also And there was some questions to whether or not they can be covered and it was a multi-year fight,
which we prevailed, not just against the partners,
who won nothing, but also against the insurance company.
The biggest successes in that regard are
when you get insurance companies to pay anything,
because as all of you know,
they love taking your premiums every single year,
but they do not like paying out anything,
and you have to fight.
And when we got the check, which was in the millions and millions of dollars for that,
I viewed that as a huge, huge victory.
We have something here that I want to play for David, because he's a germaphobe,
and I cannot imagine his level of disgust.
The average person would be fairly disgusted with a diarrhea outbreak on an airplane.
Jessica was wondering why this doesn't happen more often given the
disgusting habits of travelers. Do you have as well?
There is the video for those of you who wish to see the diarrhea airplane.
Do you have the pilot? Do you have the sound of the pilot that people
recorded? This is not what you want to hear if you are in a closed tube and the pilot
has the microphone.
Negative, it's just a file hazard issue. We've got a passenger. He had diarrhea all the
way through the airplane, so they want us to come back to Atlanta.
That's the second thing you don't want to hear.
There's really something much more major that you don't want to hear.
I don't think they say that.
I don't think we're going down.
It's all over.
I don't think that's something they announce.
I think when you see flight attendants running up and down the aisle,
I think that's when you get worried.
I always look at flight attendants when I'm flying during turbulence.
Same. In order to gauge how scared I should be.
If they're still serving drinks or they're still on their phones, even when the pilot says sit down,
I feel like I'm good.
But when they're like grabbing life rafts, I feel like we got it in there.
I'm not even bad at it.
It's a better pair for your head diary all the way to the airplane, so.
Isn't diary a plane just like the entire plot
of the movie airplane?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
I don't actually understand physically how that happened.
I don't know how it would overflow.
What do you mean?
No, it's simple.
It sounds like somebody was running down the hall
or running down the aisle.
Somebody had Burger King before the flight.
They took off.
Oh, I'm just...
We're trying to get them as a sponsor.
Yeah, for Chris.
Everyone's a potential sponsor.
Why be care, I mean.
That, that, can we take that back?
Can we edit that out?
No.
Yeah, it's an excellent start.
That was the biggest mistake of the segment.
By Chris Cody and Jessica.
This is what happens when they're in charge.
Can you please tell me though, how you would react David,
because you are somebody who just is super, super cleanly.
There's a chance that I would open the emergency exit
at 30,000 feet.
What was your reaction to this story?
Is this something that you worry about
when traveling with others?
It had never occurred to me.
But I do have, though,
I don't think we have time right now.
I have one of the great poop stories in all of baseball and involves the former president of the New York Yankees.
You have 20 seconds. Wow.
We've got to tease it. That's fine. That's why he has promised you do not want to over-promise
and under-deliver here. I will not. You are saying you are alleging that when we come back from
break, you have one of the greatest baseball poop stories ever told and then it involves
the current or the former president of Yankees.
Correct. Okay, that's a hell of a tease. Don Libertard. I mean, they used to call me Chris karaoke.
Stugats.
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What are you laughing about, Samson?
I can't believe what I'm about to tell you.
I just can't.
Okay, you were very excited about telling us.
So name the culprit.
Uh, man, this is a person who is still in big small.
I can't.
Are we back?
Yes.
Yes, yes, he teased it.
You have to by law.
I mean, it's a very, very true story.
Fred Wilpon, the owner of the Metz, has a plane that he would offer rides to
to owners meetings, and he would offer me and Jeffrey rides when we were in New York
to owners meetings, and he would also offer rides to the Yankees contingent, and Randy
Levine, the president of the Yankees, would take him up on that. So it's Fred Willpon's
plane, not Jeff Willpon, two different planes. Fred Willpon's plane. So we're on the plane,
and there's an unwritten rule
when you're on someone's private plane
and it's very simple.
You don't drop a doose, period.
That's a hard and fast rule, even in an emergency.
And it's not like we're flying to Asia,
we're flying to whether it's Milwaukee
or Chicago or California.
We're sitting there and the Yankees in Metz,
there's not a lot of love loss between them.
It's not like Fred and Randy are busom buddies.
It's not a Tom Hanks, Peter's, Glare's situation.
All of a sudden, we're sitting there, we're talking,
we're eating the food because there's food on the plane.
Randy Levine stands up, he walks to the back.
Normal, we assume it's to go pee pee.
He goes to the back, a minute passes, five minutes pass.
On the eighth minute, and I remember it clear as day.
We're trying to eat sandwiches.
There were nice cruditeis, nice cheese.
All of a sudden through the vents,
instead of air conditioning, comes a stench
that seems like we ran over a sewer pipe out from the events
comes this smell of crap. All of a sudden Randy Levine in Minute 9 opens the door
and out comes this waif, this smell, and he looks and he says that wasn't me. Of
course it was him. The entire plane knew that he had just taken this
smellious crap. And the result was that Fred said you are banished. Oh wow. He
could no longer fly on the plane. He was put in the penalty box for a period of
about eight owners meetings. It was two years before he and Jeff must have had a
fight over who Randy would fly with because he wasn't allowed on the plane.
It was the grossest, most unbelievable violation, though it was not in the aisle.
But the smell coming through the vents is a smell back when I had it that I will never ever forget.
I do believe the tabloids have to figure out a way to aggregate that in order to fuel the
Metianke's rivalry with the breaking news of Levine banned from Metz' private plane for shit.
I figured since they were baseball guys and he broke the unwritten rules, he just
drove baseball at him.
At Levitard Show, put it on the pole, please.
Should a 50 plus year old use the phrase go peepee when not talking to a child.
At, at levitar show.
Samson, you don't seem like yourself today.
Are you mad?
Are you mad at Pablo?
Are you mad at us?
Who are you mad at?
Angry's not the word.
I think disappointed.
I'm very happy for Pablo.
I'm super excited for his new show. Pobletory finds out.
His first episode dropped yesterday.
It's an amazing episode about long lost Trump tapes
that you appear on.
I love the new show that a mean has,
Oddball.
Metal Arc has a great selection of shows.
What I have not been able to ascertain
is how you allocate your resources,
both your people resources,
your money resources,
your time resources, your money resources,
your time resources, because nothing personal,
which is one of your shows that you wanted to have
as part of Metal Arc Media, we get nothing.
We do a show every day.
It's only me and Koka, two of us, every day,
giving you numbers, and I look at Pablo's show,
and I watch it and he
had told me during the lead up to this all the support he was getting and all of
the people who were working on it and it shows in the quality and it shows what a
great show it is but I don't know why you wouldn't want to make a good show
even better and greater and put resources into it, but I don't even know who to call
because no one returns slack messages or emails and you, unless it's foreign
the morning and it's a, hey, how you doing? Are you fighting with your ex-wife?
You're not useful in terms of being helpful to me. So if literally my last resort
is asking stew, you can understand that I don't like my chances.
I'm trying to figure it out on God bless football,
to be honest with you.
Let me just say it right now.
All Dan's good for for me is a screenshot
of him watching the race game.
He'll send me one today.
Like, see, I'm watching it.
It's always within the first three innings though.
He sends me a picture of Joe Rose and a Joe Rose t-shirt.
I mean.
Go Pepe.
A big dog.
I feel like we have an opportunity at MetalArc to really
increase both our audio and video footprint,
but it requires the company.
It requires you to understand what your best is
and then to make it even better and have an allocation for that.
And I'm just not sure that anyone's doing that.
Go Pp.
But you're one of our more popular shows as is.
You're getting giant numbers,
the way that we're doing it with you.
He wants support.
He wants more.
Yes.
I want more.
Yeah.
Everybody wants more.
Yeah, but Pablo's getting it to his point.
He got it without having the numbers.
And it did not go unnoticed that his show was in your feed yesterday.
They did that whenever they launched it.
That's just on your producer to do that.
No, no, no, no.
We were just given permission last week
that we can drop shows in the Levitard Network feed,
but your specific show has a separate feed,
which is the most successful sports podcast feed in the world.
And so it gives numbers and they'll put a launch, but nothing personal was never put in
there when it launched with you guys.
I feel like we're in the weeds.
We are.
That's not we.
That's numbers.
Now we're deep in the marsh.
We are.
We don't have an air, an airboat.
We are sinking into the quicksand of in-house complaint that you don't feel like
you get enough support on your show.
Yeah, that's exactly how I don't know how to say it anymore simply.
And it just, it hits you in the face when you see the well-produced public story finds
out show, which is going to be three days a week.
You built a whole studio for him.
And oh my god, the reason I'm not in that studio today is,
oh, we can't do live shows out of that studio.
What?
My shows live every day.
Go PV.
Good timing, man.
Go PV.
I didn't know he was going to hit the button.
All you got to do is look.
No, because every time I look at him,
he just got a stare at me like, I didn't do it.
This is going well. I'm looking for him to give you like, yeah, I'm having really doing it. I look at Chris at Chris's like, but there's a flow to it, you know, is there?
Yeah, go peepee. There has not been any flow whatsoever to a means last three appearances on this show.
There hasn't been any flow to that flow No flow with the pp. Oh, pp.
David, can you please tell me what you think of Steven Ross?
I believe him to be in the category of worst owner South Florida has ever had.
Many people would put Jeffrey Lauria above him,
but there aren't many that go above Steven Ross.
As the dolphins begin another
season, your thoughts on the ownership of Stephen Ross for 20 years is what?
Exactly.
What kind of runway does he have of popularity?
He's done a great job developing dolphin stadium, hard rock stadium, and all of the great
events that are going there that line his pocket.
Where's the Super Bowl?
Where's the Playoff victories?
You can hate On Jeffrey and me, On Jeffrey and I all you want. There's the Super Bowl? Where's the playoff victories? You can hate on Jeffrey
and me, on Jeffrey and I all you want. There's a ring there. It may be 20 years ago, but
there's a ring. Stephen Ross is not new. He's been around forever, and for whatever reason
the media and the people view him as, oh, his red carpet, he's got the celebrity owners
and he signs all the great players. Whatever he hasn't won anything except for himself.
So what point does the media say and the fans say, by the way,
Steven Ross is the worst owner in sports history in Miami.
And you may say it on this show, but you certainly don't say it privately,
but now you said it publicly.
So I'd like to aggregate that that you think he's now the worst.
What do you mean I don't say it privately?
Steven Ross has been terrible for a long time
in this market.
I don't think he has any popularity.
Oh, can you chime in here, Chris Billy somebody?
Anybody, you guys think that Steven Ross is popular?
I've never thought of him in Laurie
as like in the same realm as Laurie.
I've never thought of him.
I mean, he's definitely not unpopular,
but I don't think that he's like popular at the moment.
When he came in, I think people liked him.
I think people generally like him,
but I don't think it goes to the value
of not being an intentional public villain, right?
Is like he's doing these things to the stadium.
He puts out, he seems to care a little bit and try
i think is why people don't dislike him even though he hasn't been successful my channel money he gets from
public coffers every single year no do you assume that he gets nothing i'm not so is it yet of course you
get something all these guys get something the deal that he signed for hosting all these great
events that he does it's done because it every event that he gets and hosting all these great events that he does. It's done because
it every event that he gets and it's all public record, he gets millions of dollars more
of public money. Now it's the same tourist money that is given. It's not instead of teachers
and fire people. So I grant you that. But he always says, oh, it's all private. This is
all done by me. And that's absolute horse hockey. It's not the case.
He doesn't do a victory lap like you did though.
That's the whole thing.
That's kind of the difference.
Yeah, he doesn't do like nanny nanny boo boo every time
he gets something.
Nanny nanny boo boo boo.
Go ahead and put his hand over his thumb like this.
You know, nanny nanny boo boo.
So how you do it?
Yeah.
Go pee pee.
He's been an abject failure.
I don't know many people.
Like this room is the most popular I've ever heard him be like I he has been terrible for 20 years
I've never heard as negative as you're saying right now to me. He's just like he's not great not terrible
But you know teams are right. He's just there. He's tempered with Tom Brady and got that's trying to win because he was trying to win
How many playoff games is he won? Is it two or three?
Is it one? I think it might be zero. I thought it was zero. It might be zero. Correct me if I'm wrong. It might be zero. I really don't
I've never heard a positive appraisal of of his ownership. I don't know how you arrive at 20 years
with that little winning. My feeling generally has always been in difference towards Stephen Ross
because the dolphins have been generally a team
That's worth being indifferent about my entire life the marlins we at least saw win
And so when things went so terribly with the rest of the regimes run it was infuriating because we saw what it could be my entire life
The dolphins have been mediocre so I haven't cared about so age specific the dolphins were the winningest franchise in all of sports
They had
Marino and Shula. I was born in 1995. Yeah, that's what's happened. Zero playoff wins confirmed.
And how many playoff games have they made? Is it three playoff games that they've had total?
That bill's game was fun last year. The stadium's real nice. The thing with Steven Ross on his
dolphins reign is there's always someone else to blame whether it's the quarterback or the coaches.
There's always someone that's not him to take the fall for why they haven't succeeded which is why he kind of skates on this stuff. Also he's had better PR
than we ever had and the other thing that Jeremy mentioned is important. We provided a frame of
reference that he's never provided and that cost us in our Q-rated. Don Lebertard, Kenzie Janssen.
I gotta be careful here. Why not just do that?
Let me start again.
Stugats!
He's the closer.
Comes in, ninth inning.
Closest the game out.
His name is Kenli Janssen.
He has blamed his recent...
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Use code Dan when you sign up on the Draft sports book app to check it out i don't know if the cover-up is worse than the crime but video can you please put
a photo up on the screen of yanky president randy levin
the the the the the the the the the break uh... was was saying
yet can't emerge and this is stucco's talking. You can't emerge from a plane that smells like crap
when you're the only one in the crapper
and do the shaggy routine of, wasn't me.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Can you say that you went in there and farted?
No.
No.
So I wanted to be alone, like I'm just trying to look for...
David had him at nine minutes in the bathroom.
I mean, nine minutes.
A lot of activity happened in those nine minutes. Why were you counting the minutes?
It's an analytic.
Because I...
Because he's weird, like this, that's the answer.
Because I like when the bathroom is available,
I have a bad stomach.
And so whenever I am,
and whether I'm running or whatever I'm doing,
I need to know where the nearest bathroom is.
And I wasn't.
He was the president of the Yankees.
Well, I was the president of the Exposed Romarlins.
I wasn't about to knock.
That is a violation.
You don't knock on the door when someone's in a private bathroom.
But I needed it to be empty because there was always, there's always gurgling with me.
That's why.
Timeout.
You said that it didn't matter what the circumstances were,
even if it was an emergency, you're not allowed to do that
on another person's private plane.
And now you've just disclosed that you have a stomach
gurgling issue and you might need to go to the bathroom.
Which one is it?
I need to know that it's available.
That actually helps.
It helps it not happen when you know that it can happen
still billy was right your head man
that i don't know that there
that there is
is not that true his mind is a prison
uh... you use horse hockey i enjoyed the on sanders uh... cleaning it up for
the kids using bull junk uh... i think you should just be able to let it fly
i think it's more disorienting when you change the wording
to dilute it than to just curse.
I love it.
I don't agree, actually.
I think it's more effective and people remember it more.
And we just released on David Samsonpodcast.com,
a horse hockey t-shirt as part of our new merch line.
So it is a expression that I love, and it's pretty descriptive.
And I don't ever want to say on anybody's show,
the S word, because then it causes work
in the back row of the container
where they have to edit it out and beep it.
It causes a whole thing,
so I prefer just not to swear.
I got a new shirt for you.
Go pee pee.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Nick Boza is being fined so much
that it's up to four million dollars.
What are you shaking your head about?
Is he, is this some bogus thing?
This isn't a bogus thing anymore where you can just, you can just rack up all the fines
and then as soon as you get to camp, they erase them all.
The Niners already said this.
If you're going to find a player, you have to make the player believe that when he finally
gets it and signs a deal or reports, which he's under contract.
He's on his 50 year option, he's got a report that you're going to take the $4 million and
keep it and you can give it to charity and we can do a charity of our choice.
We may even give you the deduction if you so choose, but to go out and say, John Lynch,
hey, everything's been good and healthy and productive
and we're gonna give him the four million back
when he comes back.
To me, it completely defeats the purpose
of rewarding a player who is doing what I find
to be absolutely unacceptable.
However, pro management you think I am,
not in this case, A players under contract play.
Oh, what are you doing? The football contracts are stupid. They're not guaranteed.
They're just lopsided in favor of management. If a guy is underpaid, this is what he has to do in order to...
It's all he can do.
...to create more value. And he is underpaid. And anybody in the sport would pay that person.
Everybody in baseball until they're 60 year, all the superstars are underpaid until they gain
free agency.
So it's the same thing.
Although that's not a salary cap.
It's not a salary cap sport.
You're talking about in you're talking about in this sport, what has happened to the contracts
has made it so that these guys don't have a
recourse. They're not, they're not holdouts, but right before a season in baseball. Why
is it that you think that the contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL? They can't be.
You can't guarantee them because of injury. That's it. So, well, I'm not sure I understand
what your point of view is. You can't go cba go to the bargaining table and go after guarantee
contracts if you're the at a fairs up the players have contracts and they
get waived all the time
they get waived all the time with the contract to avoid backloading the
payment to avoid the
half your audience
everybody who's isn't at will and no but baseball guaranteed money
baseball the money is guaranteed
when you sign the contract, you get that money.
That is a major issue because often your pain players
who are not performing your poor injured,
but the number of players who get guaranteed contracts,
you may think it's a lot,
but getting free agency in baseball is very difficult.
And arbitration there, you can release a player
within a period of time
called 45 days and their contract has not become guaranteed until after that period of time.
But of course, the reason management in baseball was willing to do guaranteed contracts is
because there was a better chance in baseball that you would get a return on that investment
than there is in football.
But what's a player to do in the NFL, David?
He signs a contract years later.
He feels like he deserves more
because other players who aren't as good
are getting more than he's getting.
So what's he to do?
Andre Dawson made less money in his career
than half the scrubs.
So it's not based on what your career earnings are,
what your annual pay is.
If you're asking what sport your kid should play,
it shouldn't be football,
because being a professional football player,
your career length, if you even make it, is minimal.
Maybe three years is the average career at best and your likelihood of being hurt, if not
hurt permanently is greater.
But if that's the skill that someone has, they do it, but part of the rules of engagement
are you are signing a rookie deal.
It's slotted just like draft picks in Majorly
Baseball, just like young players in Majorly Baseball. You are slotted. If you can make
it to free agency, you can negotiate and get whatever you want.
David, that's the whole reason why they hold out, right? Because the uncertainty of their
career, because they don't, I'm healthy right now. I don't know if I'm going to be healthy
by the time I get to free agency. So I have to take this opportunity now to renegotiate my deal because by the time I'm eligible to do that, it might be too late.
But the union agreed to the rookie contracts. They agreed to the fifth year option for first rounders.
This was not unilaterally implemented by management. This was the negotiated in bargain but we we you collect the bargaining is so complex because you are bargaining in essence
for you know however many thousand players there are in the NFL PA and as a
result because there's a lot of issues it's not just that issue there are a lot
of issues on the table and the vast majority of those players need their
paychecks so they will agree to a
bad deal in order to get the paytex going again. It is the inherent advantage of 32 owners
versus thousands of players and that it's easier to get 32 people on the same page than
it is. They get thousands of players, some of whom are making hundreds of millions
of some of them or are making hundreds of thousands.
The majority of which are making hundreds of thousands. But if you're gonna talk about that,
why wouldn't you talk about the pilots union
or the flight attendants union or the auto workers?
It's every situation where there is a union
and you've got disparate payscales
and you've got people fighting for certain things
and they make choices.
NFL players would tell you that when they're at the table,
they're really focused on pension.
They're focused on post-career benefits. Baseball players, when they're at the table, they're really focused on pension. They're focused on post-career benefits.
Baseball players, when they're at the table, could give a flying rat's ass.
And owners love that fact because long-term liabilities on your balance sheet suck.
So to the extent that we can get any give on any sort of post-career, any sort of pension
or a RISA issue, we're willing to give a ton of stuff in order not to have that
because baseball players have a different goal
than football players.
So you have to know what you want.
And football players made the decision.
We will do a rookie scale.
We'll do a four year or a five year,
but we want to be taken care of if we can't do the alphabet
when we're 35.
I get that.
It all goes back to what I just said is because the inherent danger of their job, pilots and teachers,
they're not in danger of having CTE.
Except the guy flying the diarrhea plane.
Right.
He's got some dangers.
And there's the other guy.
Or the private jet that Randy Levina's on.
Right.
We're weird profession to choose pilots. Oh
Pilots love being pilots. Why is that a weird profession a mean said that I didn't say that he said it
Right we're in the weeds here. What's the movie you're reviewing David excellent work Chris Cody?
It's NFL week one coming up. So I wanted to give you my top five NFL
movies. Oh wow. Let's see has there ever been a good NFL movie? Longest
yard is about it. All right what do we have here? What do you have? Number five, Brian
Song. Let's go on. Chris Cody we we need the fans. Fair. Any? Yeah.
No.
If you don't cry at the story with James Conn, Brian Piccolo, Gelsaers.
It's a good one.
Yeah.
Every time.
Yeah.
Number four.
Any given Sunday.
That is a great football movie directed by Oliver Stone.
I assume that is the only movie on my list that would appear on Adnan's list,
but it is the fourth best football movie that I have seen.
There was an eyeball on the field.
So there was an eye come on, come on.
Great movie.
Number three.
Lucas.
The right Lucas story, huh?
Jesse, what are you laughing at? Are you laughing? The Ray Lucas story, huh?
Jesse, what are you laughing at?
Are you laughing?
Are you laughing right next to Chris Cody?
He's not feeling very good about himself right now.
Are you laughing with bragging laughter right in his ear
in a way that's haunting him?
Yes.
No.
I believe that Lucas has aged well enough that I believe all the young people with love,
Lucas.
Cory Heim, Kerry Green, Charlie Sheen, I believe, is in that movie.
It is a movie about a kid that you are.
He doesn't have a lot going for him.
Number two.
Number two, sorry.
The blind side.
Oh my God.
I am not willing to say that because of what we've learned about Michael O'Hare or what
we know about his mother adopted, not adopted, conservorship, whatever, it's a great movie,
great story, and I refuse to feel badly for not feeling worse about the real life situation.
It is not a great movie.
I don't believe you've named any great movies except for maybe Brian's song. Also shout out to Michael
Hare. Yes. My favorite airport. A little better than Mike Midway. Franco
Harris. Number one. Or excuse me. Yeah, that's all right. Number one. Jerry McGuire.
Again, notwithstanding the off-field behavior of Kubla Gooding Jr. I would say that Jeremiah
Guire is an all-timer for me, certainly on my top 100 list, and I consider him to be
the best football character with maybe Nick Nulty in second place of North Dallas 40.
But the overall movie, Cameron Crowe, you cannot go wrong, Jeremiah Guire is number one.
Nothing personal is the name of the podcast.
Thank you, David.
See ya. Go Pp.
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