The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: I Don't Think He's THAT Good

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

Today's cast: Dan, Jonathan Zaslow, Chris, Billy, Mike, and Tony. As Stugotz continues to show up unprepared to the WFAN studios, Jonathan Zaslow sits in with us! With Zaslow and Mike on the show toda...y, the Tua Tagovailoa contract debate rages on, and it's mostly because Dan deeply regrets the way he teed up aggregators (including our own) to run with his take. The crew dives deep into, according to Dan, the SEVEN converging factors that make Tua the most polarizing athlete in the history of South Florida. Then, how many QBs in the NFL can you give a gigantic contract to and still say "Yeah, we're good" as a team? Plus, Zaslow makes the case for being invited to Greg Cote's 70th birthday party, and Billy has had enough with whales. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:38 WFAN because he's sending them to me and it's not great Not this morning. I haven't gotten anything this morning. You not this morning. Zaslow is here sitting in for Stugatz. Sounds like we have a snitch amongst us. Well Matt Sullivan is just sending the commentary. When is Boomeris Hyacin coming back? This Stugatz is the pits. That's from Anthony D. Domenico which is exactly who it should be from in New York they want their hard knocks talk they want their hosts informed and I think Stu gots is taking for granted the idea that you can't just go on in New York and do the show the way he's been doing it here for years where you just try to fake your
Starting point is 00:01:18 way through it I feel like anytime you call someone this like this Stu gots that's very insulting. I talked to him yesterday I was able to track him down and got on the phone with him yesterday I think I think he's pulling one over on them more than he is on us. I think this is a fun little summer camp trip for him. He's just going out there kind of wreaking havoc over there in this seemingly organized situation that they've allowed him into And he's just gonna come back and laugh all about this
Starting point is 00:01:48 He's gonna laugh about the commentary this Stu gots guy is terrible to listen to He's gonna laugh at he is there for another two days. This is tough I want Geo's perspective on the Mets Yankees and hard knocks and then I try to mute out Stu gots whose idea was it to pick Him over anyone else on the fan? Well in fairness they said maybe two days, maybe one day I think, cause I don't think he was committal to doing a full, you know Tuesday through Friday.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I was gonna say a full week, but it's not even a full week cause Monday was missing. I did not tune in this morning, I got my fix yesterday, I was just like I'm not doing that again on the drive in. But I got in and I asked Taylor, I'm like what's he, cause I know Taylor listens to that show just regularly.
Starting point is 00:02:24 I go Taylor what's he saying today? And he's like, he was saying stuff about the Yankees and I know he hasn't watched a game all year so I had to turn it off. Taylor's pissed, Taylor's pissed. Now that we've outed him, I'll just tell you, I had a conversation with Taylor when I came in, he goes, I gotta tell you something.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Last thing I wanna hear is a guy who hasn't watched the Yankees all season. Tell me to calm down That's a pretty good Taylor like that's my first try There's better Taylor's out there Is there no chance that the nut like last night was he not watching the Yankees and the Mets to prepare for the game today? Well, this is the complaint he's getting from a lot of people What do you mean? He can't talk hard knocks because he didn't watch it. You're on New York radio Wouldn't you think to watch it mind-boggling someone is writing in like I? Wondered before whether our stuff could work in New York and Boston because they respect sports too much
Starting point is 00:03:16 No, I scared to work in New York and Boston I'd be scared to be on like if they were to call me one day and say hey I mean I do stuff on ESPN fine, but if they were to WFA and hey you want to fill in do this show be like no way I do not want to do that. That would be sick though If you just got in there and just started doing a Miami show now, you know what? I would have to tell them in advance. I will definitely do it. But I'm just doing I'm doing my show I'm doing Zazzle show 2.0. You guys are just airing We begin with Anthony Carter's awesome game
Starting point is 00:03:45 winner. I'm gonna go out and eat summer league. Why doesn't Alonis Williams have one of the two way contracts? Billy when you made the Taylor impersonation Zazz was delighted here recently by Taylor but Taylor has been worn. I have seen for about 20 hours Taylor's enthusiasm at look at the anarchy that Stugatz is causing and now he's been beaten down by it. Let me tell you something, Josh Beckett on Shore Rest. This is the Don Leventor Show with the StGuts Podcast. Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout
Starting point is 00:04:33 the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Jonathan Zaslow is a lifetime Miami radio dinosaur, the last of his kind. There will not be others allowed to make a career the way that Jonathan Zaslow is in the future of whatever this industry represents And I want to know from you and the group here because I'm not sure You guys suffer some of this stuff the way that I do But I went home yesterday sort of wincing after the show it happens more now than it ever has
Starting point is 00:05:03 Because of something that happened on the show that I can't sort of shake off of me because of a mistake that I've made. How often after you've done what you've done do you hang on to it for a while? Well, not anymore because, you know, for the most part, I mean, I do national stuff on ESPN, but Zazzle Show 2.0, it's a podcast.
Starting point is 00:05:22 If I don't like what I did, I don't have to put it out. It's a major difference. But when I was what I did, I don't have to put it out. It's a major difference. But when I was doing live radio, I would lose sleep sometimes. Okay, well this is what happened to me and it was such an amateur mistake. I really, I can't believe I fell for it. You would think that I would be better.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I don't, I'm not gonna make an assortment of excuses. Africa, vacation, my brother died. However, this is what happened to me that is the amateur mistake. I left here yesterday not realizing that I had underestimated what swirls around Tua because I made the mistake of saying this sentence, I don't believe that he's that good and I didn't mean I don't believe that he's that good. And I didn't mean I don't believe he's that good. I meant I don't believe he's that good. I read it the other way.
Starting point is 00:06:13 The first way that you said, I saw that quote on Twitter. I was like, wow, that's a thing to say. It's an amateur mistake I made. All I was trying to do is point out that the stats that are Assigned to him. I believe are Inflated by system. I don't believe you can take him. I know I'm doubling down. No, no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Aggregating that you have to add multiple a's or you have to you have to put that in italics, right?
Starting point is 00:06:45 Yeah, yeah caps sure Only if there was an emoji to like add the hand right cuz you need the hand to extend We need that there isn't a Cuban hand emoji. Exactly. We need one There is an Italian one, but not a Cuban one. The funny thing is is in the clip you give context You're like, here's what I meant by that but But on Twitter, it's just, you read the quote. Yeah, they got me. This is where I felt like an amateur, though. I got aggregated by our own show.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Juju's very good at this. Juju knows exactly what to throw into the stream. I still don't think that you guys understand what it is that I was trying to say. The distinction between... Oh, boy. I was getting mad watching the local hour with the two it takes.
Starting point is 00:07:26 So please try to clarify for me. Okay, you were getting mad about what? Because all I was saying is that in the history of South Florida, I have never seen an athlete this kind of polarizing on what the measurements of his worth are. So that's an interesting preface because I think that context was kind of missing from it.
Starting point is 00:07:44 And at first I was getting mad having more of a macro view on the NFL especially these days and not being emotionally tied to the Dolphins. I then like kind of reverse engineered like this is actually a cute discussion because it's the first time you guys have ever had these discussions about a quarterback with the current modern day NFL salary structure and another thing is it's the first time you've had an offensive scheme since the nineties, where you actually feel this was something that was said. I don't think any other team can replicate to a, as if Mike McDaniel is the only person that knows how to run a fricking offense
Starting point is 00:08:19 in the NFL. I'm seeing Jared Goff who we've had this discussion with twice, all of a sudden doing things in Detroit. Guys, relax. There are other offensive minds in the NFL that probably see Tua and say, I can get good production out of him. Right, he can't be the only guy who can help the quarterback have good offensive numbers. The part that I objected to yesterday though was, okay, maybe it's the coach who's propping
Starting point is 00:08:43 him up. Why don't we say that maybe it was the previous coach that was holding him down then? Like why does it only work the one way with McDaniel? Maybe Flores was so bad on that side of the football that that's why Tua originally looked like that. I think the argument isn't can an offensive coordinator see to and be like I can work with that is can I work with that at 55 million dollars? Let me just rewind for a second though on what it is that I was trying to say because now for some reason saying someone is Jared Goff is an insult. I don't know anymore. It used to be. Well he's one of the
Starting point is 00:09:18 highest paid quarterbacks and what I am saying by saying that he's not that good as good as his numbers suggest is I believe never mind coach I'm talking about the receivers not just the scheme I believe if I put Matthew Stafford in this system or ten other guys like Matthew Stafford in this system, I'm going to get something that looks close to what it is that I see from that offense. Whereas if I put Tua in 10 other offenses, I don't think I'm going to get the same numerical output that I'm going to get if I just take Tua and now move him to the Rams, say. Let's move him to the Rams where Goff was eventually told, get out of here. I'm gonna upgrade with Stafford. There's your
Starting point is 00:10:10 system coach. They've got skill guys. They don't have dolphin skills guys, skill guys, but they've got skill guys. Yeah, I think Tua does really well inside of the LA Rams offense given that Mike McDaniel is a McVay guy. So I think that too it can be plenty good and in plenty other places and while this is unique to South Florida at this position now we do this every we've done it Dak Prescott's entire career. We did it with a two-time MVP in Lamar Jackson. It's it's tough when you think that is he the best? Does this person warrant? Because every
Starting point is 00:10:46 new contract is a new watermark when it comes to contracts. That's just how this goes. I don't get that. I'm never going to understand that. Why do we have to hold up, okay, so Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars gave Trevor Lawrence this contract, so now Jordan loves people and maybe two Atanga Bellos people, they're going to look at, oh, you saw what they just gave Trevor Lawrence, so we need this. Why can't the team come my loathes people, they're going to look at, oh, you saw what they just gave Trevor Lawrence. So we need this. Why can't the team come back and say, yeah, they're stupid. And just because they're bad at negotiating contracts, why do we also have to be bad at negotiating contracts? That's what the Dolphins are doing. Look at what they welcome though.
Starting point is 00:11:16 That's what the Dolphins are doing and look at what they welcome from their own fan base. It's obvious that what you risk doing is losing the quarterback that has given you the best seasons at that position in a very long time for this franchise and you could dare another franchise to pay him that money. But just why does bad business have to beget bad business? I actually think that there's plenty of teams capable in the NFL of bad business and if you're going to dare to find a contract better than what you're offering
Starting point is 00:11:45 him, I think that he'd actually find it provided he stays healthy, which is always the thing with him. Here's also something that I don't understand about the Tua stuff and all the doubts surrounding Tua. It's not like Brock Purdy where he was the last pick in the draft and you're saying, okay, well, you know, maybe it's Shanahan and maybe it's all the weapons they have in San Francisco. We were talking two years in advance at Alabama and not just we in Miami, everyone about Tank
Starting point is 00:12:16 Fertua from the moment he debuted in that national championship game, he was the guy. And now all of a sudden after leading the NFL in passing yards it's oh he's a system quarterback how would he fare if he wasn't with Tyree Killen, Jay LaWano, Mike McTano we were talking about Tua before the hip injury like he was a generational quarterback. This is the thing to me though around this guy in South florida that i find the most interesting because this is not by himself by a polarizing cat like there's nothing about him to not like so easy to root
Starting point is 00:12:53 for to it is he is the epicenter of a bunch of things converging that are amazing one that sport being as popular as it is to that position being as important as it is three fantasy leagues making it so that we all feel like we know as much as the general managers for the general managers are also bad at knowing what the value of quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:13:20 are right now five we all have opinions about all things in this sport Six you can have an opinion on this thing right now without being right or wrong today So all opinions end up becoming valid and seven and this one seven. Okay. This is the big three This is the biggest one to me because it it really is it's what Mike's talking about. We do it with Lamar Jackson We do it with Lamar Jackson. We do it with everybody How is it that everyone is coming to this trough with an opinion on value and we're all in agreement that Everyone is shitty at doing the measurements here on value and that it's harder than it's ever been
Starting point is 00:13:58 To measure what a value is when Brock Purdy's the last pick in the draft and you see like wait a minute How does that keep getting to the Super Bowl? it's such a bizarre sport in that in the draft and you see like, wait a minute, how does that keep getting to the Super Bowl? It's such a bizarre sport in that, in that Super Bowl, you had a guy who everybody would call the best in the sport, in Patrick Mahomes, a guy that you have Tyree killed down here because they had to make room for that massive roster. And you wonder, how can you pay one position that much money? We saw all season long, we were doubting the Chiefs because of the lack of receiver help over there.
Starting point is 00:14:27 And damn it, they found a way. They found a way to beat what? A team with Mr. Irrelevant at quarterback with a totally different salary cap structure, which loaded up on talent around him with Christian McCaffrey and Samuel and Iyuk and George Kittle and a crazy defense of pass rushers that they traded for to load up.
Starting point is 00:14:46 There's a bunch of ways to get to the super bowl. It's just when you're talking best contract in the sport, biggest fattest contract in the sport, it's Patrick Mahomes that can make it work. We have those questions about Josh Allen. Now Josh Allen has stripped away all the talent that got him to that next level. What are we going to see from him? Is it going to be the same results as Patrick Mahomes? Do you not find this part of it crazy though that if we're going to hyperanalyze a sport
Starting point is 00:15:09 and a position that everyone can be right and wrong about, yeah Trevor Lawrence is worth about that. When I'm looking at Trevor Lawrence, I'm like, don't want him. Don't want him as my centerpiece on something. That is not, I do not want to attach myself to five years, the next five years of Trevor Lawrence. What if you had Mike Glennon for several years? Like that's another part of this. I experienced it with Baker when I was a Browns fan. I'm like, wait a second,
Starting point is 00:15:38 we're not going to pay the guy that got us to the playoffs. We're not going to pay the guy that solidified the position. We've been working 20 years to have a penciled in starter at this position the entire time. And we're prepared to walk away from this. And I imagine that's what Jacksonville went through. Well, isn't it an either or like that's where we're at right now, right? You can either have Trevor Lawrence and maybe he's really good. We don't really know yet. Or you could have nothing like those,
Starting point is 00:16:00 those are the two choices, right? And if those are the two choices, probably not taking nothing nothing's not good it's so confusing because you have faith in trevor lord well he's got doug peterson and he can he can do it with quarterbacks because why because he did it in a super bowl against tom brady with nick foals that you can win championships a whole bunch of ways there's a decision here that's franchise altering no they have to get around this here's the thing though this that's not accurate okay okay? Trent Dilfer was used for a long time before Nick Foles. The fact that you have two outliers there, every other copycat GM
Starting point is 00:16:33 in the league will do the safety of what it is as he's talking about here. He's like, well, Trevor Lawrence is something. I'd rather have that than nothing because my way to Brad Johnson in the Super Bowl and Trent Dilfer in the Super Bowl, Nick Foles, that's the more improbable way. Number one draft pick, that feels safer to me. You're doing it with journeymen and I think you need to do it with salary cap structure because we've seen the Seahawks do it with someone that probably had a lower number than Nick Foles in Russell Wilson. We see, look, the San Fransi, I'd like, I'd sign up for the San Francisco 49ers experience. Yeah, I get to the Super Bowl and I lose arguably
Starting point is 00:17:04 the greatest quarterback of all time, but I'm doing it with literally anyone at quarterback. I'd sign up for that. That's also the way the world works. Like you're the coach of this team, the owner of this team, whatever, you have to pick amongst 32 people or whatever. Or if you want to wait like a year, maybe 64 people,
Starting point is 00:17:21 you're not going to get 32 quarterbacks the next year. So you have to make a decision. And that's the centerpiece of a team. You have to build around someone, and just not making a decision is just gonna lead to no, you're not gonna have any success, you're not gonna be able to construct a team, and then you're gonna get fired if you're the coach,
Starting point is 00:17:36 or the GM. You have to make a decision on someone at some point. You do have to make a decision, but the part that I want to discuss with you guys is when it is that you're making decisions in a salary cap sport and you're having so much trouble with the assignment of value because mike is saying here that he'd sign up everybody would sign up for the san francisco forty niners
Starting point is 00:17:58 experience of the last few years except for the chiefs everyone else would sign up for whatever it is that has been and so when you have the structural changes in the sport that go from hey we're not paying left tackles that we need to pay left tackles could they protect the quarterback hey nevermind we're gonna change this we're not gonna pay the running backs anymore wide receivers those are super important now what's the next change the next changes
Starting point is 00:18:21 all just give me a shana and get me a mcdaniel get me somebody who can maximize value cuz i'm a seller cap on what i have to pay that person and then that person can save me money with the russell wilson blueprint to the brock purdy blueprint of i can get a bunch of different players because i can get anybody to play in the system doesn't stand to reason that now what you would want more than the twoUA is the McDaniel? No.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Are we not headed there? Is that- This is the position that's always gonna be the most important on the team. Like the other positions come and go, now receivers are more valuable, now running back is more valuable. But you have to-
Starting point is 00:18:57 You need to build around a quarterback and if you have one that's gonna work, why are you going to let it go? If you have a perennial all-pro at that position that's healthy, you are in the playoff discussion as long as that quarterback is healthy. And I'd rather have that. But the thing that I'm saying to you guys about the changes in the way the sport is
Starting point is 00:19:15 done, right, where we're all general managers, you do realize that the way that you manage your money is now more important than giving $60 million to the one guy that 10 teams might get lucky on because they've got the 10 guys in the league who can play the position. But we don't have enough of a sample to say this is the way that you do it. We've had a couple of Super Bowls. One of the best Super Bowls of all time actually when you look back on it was Bengals Rams. Joe Burrow was probably at a cap number less than what Nick Foles was when he won the super bowl. And he was a,
Starting point is 00:19:47 a split second away from hitting T Higgins on a long pass. I would have made them champions in that building, but who gets to be champion? The team that went all in and paid the quarterback the big money and is in salary cap hell since then, but it's still in the conversation provided that Matthew Stafford is healthy. There's also no sure thing at the position, right? So like, I'm uncertain on Tudor. What am I going to get? Bryce Young?
Starting point is 00:20:08 How did that look like? We don't know if he's good. We don't know if he's bad. It's going to be years till we know. How about Justin Fields? He's not even on the team that drafted him anymore. You don't know what the option is after this. So if it's working with this guy, you can commit to him.
Starting point is 00:20:20 And the longer they wait, the higher the price is going to get. And you can become a cautionary tale. Look, cite my Browns fandom. I was team Sign Baker. I was so desperate for a quarterback. I think you played hurt, hurt his value. They decided no, that if we're going to spend the money we're going to get a sure thing and it's to Sean Watson and Baker Mayfield was pretty close to an NFC championship game last year. Hey it's Mike Ryan. How do you like to grill your barbecue? Tell me. I'll be quiet. I'll stand back.
Starting point is 00:20:48 I'll listen for approximately two and a half seconds. Wow. A lot of great suggestions in there. Let me give you a suggestion. I need everybody in the audience to pair their barbecue with Miller Lite. I've been doing a lot of travel lately and I really reveled in the fact that I got to stay home with my family.
Starting point is 00:21:04 It was hot out. it was a perfect day for the pool, and what goes good with that? Miller time, of course. You know that's what I was getting at. I don't like debates. And that's why I go with Miller Light, because it's got undebatable quality. It tastes as great as your barbecue. It's a beer that strips everything away that you don't need and holds on to what matters most. It's the light beer with the most taste, less filling, at only 96 calories that is perfect for when you're eating some barbecue outside with your family.
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Starting point is 00:21:45 More sports. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. How many quarterbacks in the league do you actually believe? Like obviously we're talking about, can quarterback X take up this amount of salary cap and you could still win with having not being able to pay other guys and you're gonna lose them. How many quarterbacks in the league can you actually give that huge number to and still say, yeah, we're good? Five?
Starting point is 00:22:18 Really? I think it's less than five. Five's a lot. I mean it's gonna be Burrow, Josh Allen. You're gonna feel feel pretty good about Burrow, Josh Allen. Well, it is Josh Allen. Patrick Mahomes. I don't feel good about Josh Allen, because if that's the case, why do we have these doubts about the Bills and losing Stefan Diggs? Like, if we didn't have those doubts, obviously,
Starting point is 00:22:33 what we lost. You know you're going to be competitive. You know you're going to be in every game if you have Josh Allen. Lamar did enough last year to take those questions away, right? You're like, yeah, I think there's three. They paid him the money and he won MVP. hurts in the conversation still went to a Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:22:47 I don't know. I don't I don't know. I guess my point would be to you How is it that we can have as many people as we have? covering analyzing the most important sport the most important position and All of us can't agree on the value of five people that how is it possible that we can have this much coverage and this much ignorance baked into the coverage when you know you've heard me say a million times nobody correctly identified the MVP of the league as someone who would be that kind of quarterback. But this is where I started recoiling when I heard the segment where you were framing
Starting point is 00:23:29 this as this to a discussion saying like, this is an interesting case study. I don't even think it's the most fascinating case study right now. I think what's going on with Jordan Love is way more interesting because if you ask me to forecast given how Jordan Love closed the season last year, do I take the chance on him being one of those five guys? I think that's way more difficult of a conversation, more interesting. I think a lot of people right now
Starting point is 00:23:51 who are in the weeds on studying film are telling you that Jordan Love is absolutely can't miss the rest of the way, doesn't matter what his position players are, he's going to grow into that player. Mike, the specifics of what I'm saying about Tua in this market, this can't be refuted by anyone here. There's never been anyone like this person in this market
Starting point is 00:24:12 where I got inundated with what my opinion was, which is simply, I don't believe that if I take Tua and put him in any offense, that I'm gonna get all the same numbers I'm getting in this offense. I will 100% concede that. I would say that Tua is so unique That Zazel made the amazing point that everyone was tanking for Tua This was a guy that they benched Jalen Hurts in the national championship
Starting point is 00:24:34 Game for because he might have transferred if he didn't but his hit his injury history is so unique What happened to Tua he had a devastating hip injury? But we thought he was dead on the field That's why we're talking. I'm just saying in college and then you have the the the frozen fingers In Cincinnati, he's got a very unique injury history that really makes the conversation around him even more nuanced Even though he kind of proved that he can be healthy for a full season last year, right? but it doesn't even matter about proving that he can be healthy for the full season because it takes one hit.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Like it takes one hit. Here's the thing, you got guys like Burrow who have a much bigger history of injury in the pro level and Tua though, with Tua the conversation was, is he going to retire? We didn't have the, is Burrow gonna retire from either of his season ending injuries? Conversation was to his, he may have to retire. Like it's a major difference. Let me ask all of you this because I came to an appraisal
Starting point is 00:25:36 that I'm not totally sure is accurate. You said he's not that good. Also Trevor Lawrence. Also I'd like to back up Greg Cody's take that you can avoid some concussions with how you play If you're more careful about it if you thought there yeah, I mean a quarterback. No, it's it's quantifiable There are quarterbacks that avoid getting hit more than others that are pretty smart about pocket presence and whatnot this is the point that I wanted to ask the group about because I
Starting point is 00:26:03 did surmise that it is more probable that he is more of an injury risk than the average football player. And after I left here, I'm not sure that's accurate because of some of the other things that are in play, not just rule protections for the quarterback, but the fact that he throws everything in two seconds and rarely gets hit and gets to play the game the way that are in play, not just rule protections for the quarterback, but the fact that he throws everything in two seconds and rarely gets hit and gets to play the game the way that Tom Brady got to play the game.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Never had a concussion, according to the internet, but also he played in an era where he definitely had concussions. Ah, shake it off, buddy. Does it worry you that he's thinned out this year? Yes, but do I have it wrong? What worried me is the way he was thrown around it looked like physically the the first uh... couple of seasons it looked like he was being thrown around
Starting point is 00:26:50 as if a teenager was playing with adults it didn't look the way that i'm used to seeing quarterbacks thrown around anymore they've actually for all the rule changes they've made they somehow have managed to make the sports slightly less uh... dangerous just there anytime i see a quarterback really hit i think it's illegal i'd i've now got i've gotten there anytime it's basically illegal to hit the quarterback in any legal white away that
Starting point is 00:27:18 makes me when you have a hard hits we say that's gonna be something just that's it you cannot throw the quarterback that way anymore, but answer my question. The quarterback gets hit, you're just yelling that's a penalty? That's right. That's a penalty. That's got to be something. That's right. The quarterback is on the ground, that's a penalty. You can't do that. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 00:27:34 They have absolutely made it so that I am both of these things. I'm like, what happened to good old fashioned football? And also, you can't step on his toenail that way. That's a flag. That is illegal. I don't think he shifted his body weight. I didn't see that. Who's right. And what are the votes in the room on is we have to, we have to decide on his contract right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not the contract is right. Not the contract is to a more or less likely than the
Starting point is 00:28:03 average player to get injured. That's what I want. Or is he- Why did he lose the weight? Like we had a seasoned sample of the weight working out. Now I'm worried again. Is Armstead playing? I think he wants to roll.
Starting point is 00:28:15 He's gonna run. That's a question every year. He's gonna run? He's gonna run. No, he shouldn't run. He's gonna run. They're gonna get him more time outside of the pocket. They're gonna be moving him outside the pocket more. They are gonna use him that way. I don't like it. He's gonna run. They're gonna get him more time outside of the pocket They're gonna be moving him outside the pocket more. They are gonna
Starting point is 00:28:29 Concussions kind of has a roll them out. It kind of has that RG 3 gene where this guy just has a unique ability to get blown Up. I don't like it. Yeah, they rolls out. Isn't he running away from the other players? They're building up ahead of steam. I don't like this one bit The part about this that's funniest to me is all of this Let's make a 55 million dollar a year investment guys We got to make sure that everything around this is perfect So that he's throwing the ball in 1.1 second faster than everyone else in the sport But Armstead might be out again this week how about we get three tenths more of a second by rolling him out oh no he's got to lose weight to do that and now we got a thicker cushioned
Starting point is 00:29:13 helmet we need to get because this is there's more brain injury three feet outside of the pocket than there is inside the pocket this is there's too much information because I've convinced myself the one of the main criticisms outside of the injury stuff Is to his arm could be stronger you start rolling a guy out of the pocket you lean on arm strength a hell of a lot more I don't like this one bit. I don't know what Mike Mcdane was doing his accuracy when he gets out of the pocket to woof This is bad idea don't like it. Well, it's doing pocket. I pay him. We don't know he was instructed to lose weight He could have just lost weight and they're like like, ah, buddy, you're not running. Could have gone carnivore.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Who knows? All of this is why Dan said he didn't think he was that good. And Trevor Lawrence. He didn't, no, he said he's not that good. You're missing the arm there, Zaz. Yeah. Just reading what, I'm just telling you what I read. I would enjoy watching one of those lifetime movie
Starting point is 00:30:02 reenactments of how it is the Dolphins telltua, you are worth $55 million a year, but only if we can keep you in this square footage, in this square footage here. And gain 15 pounds, gain 15 pounds. So you can only cash those checks from this spot here, this spot, you can't roll out over there. Direct deposit is only in this heat map.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Is this happening like a small town going back home for Christmas time? Like what does Hallmark have to do with this? Just a reenactment. Like a love story here. I need a reenactment. Lori Loughlin in it. I'm looking for an actor's reenactment. Someone's divorced.
Starting point is 00:30:37 There's always a divorce or death, widowed or widower. What is his value? Closest ass to be in. Billy, what is his value? You have a Tua jersey. What is his value? You've been here ardently. Well, a Tua jersey. What is his value? You've been here ardently. Well, that qualifies me. What is the value of that Tua jersey?
Starting point is 00:30:50 I don't know. I mean, I hope it's like 300 bucks. It's expensive to get things framed. Dude, framing is almost more expensive than the actual jersey. I think I told you guys this. When I took it to get framed, the guy was like, you sure? And I'm like, am I sure? What are you talking about? Like, buddy, this is your business. I'm trying to pay you money for this thing. And he's like, I heard that they may waive him. And it's like, what, you heard this? Where did you hear this? He's like, yeah, I think Wednesday's the deadline.
Starting point is 00:31:12 I'm like, well, we better get this done before Wednesday or hold off until Wednesday and I'm gonna change my mind. Why are you telling me this? It's a curious business plan. It's a crazy business plan. This may not be valuable in two days. It's super expensive. Tell me this in three days.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I got to the point at Chelsea where they kept handing me signed jerseys. I was like, no thanks. I got to frame this. That is a work of art as the Miami Dolphin experience. You go and take in a jersey of value in order to get it mounted on the wall and the person asks you, are you sure? Are you? Are you?
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Starting point is 00:32:50 Stugats. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugats. ["Stugats"] gots. A lot of people writing in with an assortment of opinions here. Lebatard has and has always been a blank. I believe Dan Lebatard is washed.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Where does that expression come from? What are we washing? Like I didn't think it's just shorter version of washed up. Yeah, but what does that mean? If you get washed up, what does that mean? Like washed up ashore, like you're a dead carcass, you're washed up ashore. I was thinking it's like if you wash something too much,
Starting point is 00:33:37 then it gets kind of like ratty and you don't wanna wear it anymore. So you're ratty. So, but if you're washed. Or a carcass. If you're washed right up until then, you're fine, you're hygienic, you're if you're wash carcass if you're washed right up until then you're fine. You're hygienic you're good But there's a point where you go from washed Hygienically to washed up you're in tatters. I'm with Tony on this one. I think it's a bloated whale carcass
Starting point is 00:33:55 Like you're in the ocean you're good And then all of a sudden you get washed up does seem to come from like wash to shore They're gonna be started on wheels you're welcome. I want to get to that footage in a second of a whale. I don't know where this was, just sort of, you know, breaching the water and causing damage to a smaller boat. But somebody else writes in, the Dan LeBattard show featuring Greg Cody has that kind of ring to it. Get Greg to retire from the Herald and be the co-host.
Starting point is 00:34:21 With him there, it's harder for Doomsday to ruin the show, side kicking it. And said there it's harder for doomsdan to ruin the show side-kicking it and said it's just Greg ruining Michelle he was great yesterday he was pretty good I felt bad watching it too like Greg like I mean this sincerely like not a bit I kind of got the feeling it was a little awkward watching it that I was at the very least I may not have made the cut but I was like up for debate I don't want to put him in that situation I don't want I don't want to put him in that spot for the record
Starting point is 00:34:50 Greg Cody has a 70th birthday party and he doesn't know who around here to invite on the show Can I tell you something? So I'm watching the show yesterday. I'm preparing, you know for coming in today I want to make sure I'm up to speed on everything and and I hear that Cody is he's got a 70th birthday party coming up and I'm just kind of I'm doing my work and I'm kind of listening half-ass you know my ears parked up though I picked my head up from what I
Starting point is 00:35:18 was doing I looked right that television when I heard Cody say everyone everyone on air is invited. That's a quote, I didn't make that up. Everyone on air is invited. I like parties, I like drinking, I like being around people. Open bars. I heard open bar too, I didn't perk up quite at that
Starting point is 00:35:39 because it was like, okay, that's an open bar that I'm not gonna take advantage of, so I didn't perk up at that. I perked up at open bar and then a few minutes later Everyone on air is invited now Craig, we have them wrong. Well, let's play the sound here. I think that's what he said Let's see if you have it accurate or not video has found the sound. Let's hear It has been an interesting Like journey with this guest list just about the people here because it started really small with my dad
Starting point is 00:36:03 Handpicking a few where I was like, this is gonna make some people feel awkward. And then my dad's like, all right, screw it, every on air person's coming. And then my mom was like, whoa, who's Tony? I'm fine not being invited, Greg,
Starting point is 00:36:16 if that puts you in a better spot. I'm okay with that. No, but I'm being truthful when I say my starting pro is Dan and Stugat. And Roy and Juju. That's not true. He's really mad at you I don't want to get into any details about who isn't isn't invited so the new me says everybody's welcome and not just on air people I love the off-air people sounds like old you only said four people were allowed to but no kids
Starting point is 00:36:42 except Graceland okay so the direct quote Craig if I'm not sure. Two actually. Two. But no kids except Graceland. Okay, so direct quote. Craig, if I'm wrong, direct quote. Screw it. That's what he said first. Screw it. Everyone on air is invited. Now, my question to everybody. Am I on air?
Starting point is 00:36:52 Presently. You are. Am I on air? Yep. Anyone object to that claim? Am I on air? You are on air. What was the quote again?
Starting point is 00:37:00 Screw it. Everyone on air is invited. I'm on air. Sounds like you've been invited. Even though you're his enemy. I'm on air. I'm on air. I'm on air. You are on air. What was the quote again? Screw it. Everyone on air is invited. I'm on air. Sounds like you've been invited. Even though you're his enemy.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I'm using deductive reasoning. I have told you guys, Chris Cody, I think, I betray Zaslow when I say this, but I believe that for his entire adult life, Jonathan Zaslow has texted me every time Cody writes an obvious column in the Miami Herald with just the headline of that obvious column, to rip your father. I don't believe there's a sports- I was ruthless years ago. I was ruthless.
Starting point is 00:37:36 I sent the same text to my dad. I don't believe though that there is in- you guys have seen the evolution of the way media members in South Florida fight amongst each other you've seen some of those industries kind of collapse radio local television print there have been pockets that feud and I don't believe that there is in my personal circle two people who I both like I like both of them who don't like each other based on what they are professionally it's not personal it's not like a really nice man it's not it is not in any way personal it's about the work that Zaslow does not respect
Starting point is 00:38:24 yeah what it is Cody does but Cody doesn It's about the work that Zaslow does not respect what it is Cody does, but Cody doesn't respect what it is that Zaslow does, doesn't respect it. Yeah, I think he's a really nice man, but I don't know. Collin, it's a little bit for the birds. Upset bird. I'm not arguing with anything. You agree that your dad is not good at his job?
Starting point is 00:38:42 Typically we- I've told my dad to take more chances. You're an ingrate. Get out there. Typically when Billy says something like, don't get me started on the whales, we follow that. And we get them started on the whales. No, we don't have to get started on the whales.
Starting point is 00:38:56 I'm just saying these whales better not wage war on us because it's over. What do you mean they better not? They already have. I'm telling them, stand down right now. Stand down right now because whales do not want to start a war with human beings because it will end poorly for the whales. Horribly for the whales. If the whales want to continue to exist on this world they will stop f***ing with human beings. I'm telling you that right now.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Okay? There's not a human world under the water. There's a sea world on earth because we capture the whales and then we put them in tanks and then we feel bad for them Because they're so helpless and they can't do anything. They're like, you know what we feel so bad for you Just go back to your home and die in peace go away Let me play the video because they're never gonna capture humans and put them under the ocean in cages and laugh at us the way We do them if we wanted to end the whales we would end the whales so they need to stand out Not just the whales dolphins too would end the whales, so they need to stand down. Not just the whales, dolphins too. All sea creatures. Calm down, because I don't see whales starting GoFundMe's and collecting things the same human beings. They're not
Starting point is 00:39:51 trying to save human beings from extinction down there. We're doing that for them. So pipe down whales, stay underwater, stop flipping over our boats. You're acting not right. So credit on that video accurate. Was the co-host of spitting chicklets actually on that boat, or did he just post it to a social media? Probably just posted it. You're saying shut your blowhole whale. You can knock over the occasional small boat. I'm saying pipe down.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Enough is enough. The Internet trying to act like they know the whale's motive is funny. I'm just like, you see how this angry whale took out a boat? It's like we don't know anything about what's going on here. My biggest question, though though with that video is Buddy who was? captaining the ship Did no no the one taking the video all right the one in front Ryan Whitney
Starting point is 00:40:36 I don't think it was Ryan former Florida Panther Edmonton oiler Ryan Whitney Isn't that Ray Whitney but anyway no no no Ryan Whitney played for the Panthers Yeah, I think Ray Whitney? But anyway. No, no, no, Ryan Whitney played for the Panthers. I think Ray Hudson. Yeah, I think Ray Whitney also played for both the franchises. He definitely played for the Panthers and terrible trade to Carolina. My big question though is,
Starting point is 00:40:53 the guy who was steering the boat in the foreground, did he dip or did he go back to get the guy who was now capsized? It's a great question. In this video, you, this- That's a big character move right there. This kid driving the boat He's either getting the hell away from there or going to help. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:41:09 You look it looks like he's dipping he's he I dip If you watch this video the first suit in the water keep your eye on the first suit in the water This boat lands on his head I am always afraid in deep water that one of the giant animals that calls that ocean a home court is going to come and decide that I am on enemy territory I am playing a road game and I don't deserve to win a road game. Ever heard of torpedoes? For all we know the whale thought the boat was a big seal like like I just love us giving the motive to this like you see this angry whale like we have no clue what the whale it is a little ridiculous talking
Starting point is 00:41:48 about motive you ever turn a corner and like hit your elbow on the wall I didn't have a motive there I just miscalculated that is I believe what the whale did in that circumstance is this is the this is the equivalent for that whale of us bumping our head on something that we miscalculated but there is a recent trend of whales attacking vessels. I think the recent trend is that more people are videotaping things, I believe, is what is happening here.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Used to write books about it. Moby Dick, you have one guy do whatever he did. I didn't read a book. Pinocchio. So you're saying Moby Dick, not an isolated occurrence. Jonah, you know, and the whale. But back to that kid, I think he is making. You see him turning the wheel. I think he is making you see him turning the wheel
Starting point is 00:42:25 I think he's making a you know no he had the face of a dude who was about to dip He had the face of a fleer He's right about that that is what flight looks like like that looks like he was at the beginning stages of I'm going to flee Yeah, that wasn't fight. That was flight. No that was very much. I'm gonna get out of here. I wasn't Crazy if he grabbed a harpoon though or a torpedo Hey, it's Mike Ryan. How do you like to grill your barbecue? Tell me I'll be quiet. I'll stand back I'll listen for approximately two and a half seconds Wow a lot of great suggestions in there. Let me give you a suggestion
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