The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Local Hour: We're All Tired Of Jimmy Butler And The Heat

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

Papi calls in for The Shadow Show today to share his feelings on the Miami Heat, Jimmy Butler, and Jaime Jaquez--whose name he stunningly cannot say. To start the show, Dan wonders if Aaron Donald could come back and give the Los Angeles Rams three great games to help them win a Super Bowl. Would the Kansas City Chiefs take back Priest Holmes? Would the Buffalo Bills take back Eric Molds? The Detroit Lions would HAVE to take back Calvin Johnson, right? Plus, despite the entire show’s lack of interest, Dan recaps yesterday's interview with Chris Haynes about the Jimmy Butler situation. He also discussed Greg Cote turning back the clock for an epic two-day performance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And for more heartburn relief fun, be sure to follow Tums at Tums official on Instagram and Tik TOK. Hello, Danny, how are you? No! Oh, oh, Danny, what happened to the running beer? He was in the hot hand. Oh, he sank the heat, Danny. You weren't watching. I was watching until about one o'clock in the morning. I couldn't sleep.

You weren't watching. You stayed up? Mom only stays up. You stayed up? No, I stayed up, yeah. I stayed up. I stayed up. I stayed up. I was watching until about one o'clock in the morning. I couldn't sleep. You weren't watching.

You stayed up? Mom only stays up. You stayed up? No, I stayed up. Yeah, I stayed up. Your mother likes to watch the game with me, so I had no choice but to stay up. But the running beer was still in a hard hand, and I saw the brothers, what's the name? Jeff and Stan Van Gondy, they were helping the other team.

They were on the rocket side. That wasn't good. The Clippers? Yeah, they were on the Clippers side. I saw Jeff. Is he an assistant head coach there? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that.

And we saw also Stan. I think that your mother saw Stan there on the sideline. Well, what about the state of the heat? They'd won three in a row. What are your thoughts? Tyler here was playing like an all star. The guy is soft. He's a soft player.

You know, you get keep your fingers crossed, make sure that he doesn't get hurt before the playoff. That's it. I mean, you know that I know that everybody knows that in the last four years, you know, he hasn't been able to make it to the playoff He's the only guy who's played in every game Well, listen, I'm waiting for Jimmy buckets to come back. I'm telling you that guy is something else. What about Spoh? Oh, if there was bad blood between a sponge in me bucket last year

They give me about a challenge a spot to a fight and you had to step in. Don't you remember that incident of the court? Well, there you have it. You know, this thing has been carrying over over a year now, but I can't wait for Jimmy to come back and then he's going to throw 40, 50 points on the other team and then they got to interview Jimmy on national TV. What do you think Jimmy's going to say? What would you say?

Well, I'm not going to show my hands. It's going to get a little bit tricky there, buddy. I'm telling you. Only if they don't want to talk to Jimmy, they might bypass Jimmy and talk to the Mexican stallion. Jimmy Hackett. Who's Jimmy Hackett? Jimmy Hackett. Poppy, you don't know the Latin names on the team like Jimmy Hackett is what you just called? Jaime Hockett Jimmy Hockett, that's that's the English version of Hackett, I call him Jimmy Hockett. I mean Hockett is the name you should know in the league, but you should be able to pronounce Jaime Hockett's like why did you call him? but you should be able to pronounce Jaime Hockes. Like, why did you call him Jimmy Hackett?

I got the once in a while, I get the senior moments. You know what I mean? The reason I'm calling you is because you're the only person I have heard crushing Eric Spolster. I have not heard anyone doing it publicly. I have only heard you doing it privately. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, crushing Spol, I don't crush sport.

I think that the sport should move on. They should gotta give him a promotion, kick him upstairs, give him a rally shop. Let's rally retire. Give him 10 more million dollars a year to a sport. Pick up, you to a view to be skin-baked. Are you kidding me? And bring you know who into Miami. He's going to get things squared away. Who's you know who?

I never, ah, you know my guy, the butcher. That's my guy. Oh, Thibodeau, okay, enough with Thibodeau. Papi, what do you think of the Dolphins? Oh, the Dolphins. The Dolphins, I tell you, they need this guy, Tuwa, to come back. You know, my recommendation was give him a bigger helmet, a bigger size helmet to take

care of the hits. Without that guy, the Dolphins, they don't got a chance, buddy, I'm telling you. They almost made it to the playoffs without Tuba this year. But this guy, what's the guy I said, Tyler Huntley, he can fill those shoes, to us shoes, are you kidding me? And he head coach, he looks like a chemistry teacher in high school, he doesn't look like a football coach, I don't know. Hello? I love you, buddy.

Maybe, I said maybe you drop out. No, no, I just got tired of hearing it is all. I'm just tired of hearing you're yelling about the heat, yelling at the dolphins, yelling at everybody. You gotta give credit to this guy who writes for the hero. What's his name? Armando Salgado, he has been writing for the hero for the last 50 years.

He writes the same shit every time, you know what I mean? He gotta come up with something new and he keeps coming back at the readers. You know, he's a tiger, Armando. I hear that he has a big follow. A bunch of followers are following him up, you know what I mean? That takes a great deal of creativity.

Armando Salguero hasn't worked for the Miami Herald in about five years. Really? Gee, I thought that he was still the one of the biggest golfing writers for the Herald. Dad, you're so full of shit. When's the last time you read the Herald? When's the last time you physically held a copy of the Miami Herald? You're so full of shit, dad. Well, I went and I go to the to the Pollux and I don't buy the paper because it's too expensive. I just glance at the paper and I read the news, you know, and I count and I don't buy the paper because it's too expensive.

I just glance at the paper and I read the news, you know, and I count and I put it back on it. You steal the news that you don't read? No, I don't steal the news. I mean, I just borrow the paper. I tell the guy, can I see what is in the news here? See if it's worth spending a buck or a buck 50 on the hero. Dad, that's not browsing.

That's stealing. That's stealing. That's stealing. You're stealing their information. I want to see. How about this, dad, you used to, when we used to go as kids to Winn-Dixie, do you remember this? You used to do this.

The candy aisle, you'd just grab the candies and start eating them and walk around the grocery store eating the candies. And then you'd throw the wrappers in the aisles and you wouldn't pay for them. Well, because I had to eat the candies so your mother couldn't see me you know if your mother sees me eating the candy he will complain that you know was good for me i mean wasn't good for me was a lot of sugar with the candy so i tried to stay away from her so that's the only place where i could eat some candy so So what can I tell you? But do you remember that day?

Worth the risk, Papi. Honestly, I've got to tell you, I salute you. Good work by you. And you turned really thievery into a noble pursuit that keeps your marriage together and your health intact. I love you. See you later. All right. Take care, buddy. Bye. Love you. Bye. This is the Dan Leventor Show with the Stugats Podcast. So much happening behind the scenes here that Stugats just had his headphones in his hands and as the show was starting he just shouted and I'm hearing three, two, and Stugats shouts. I don't know what we're talking about. Yeah, I mean, it's a Wednesday.

I don't know. I have plenty to talk about. Really? Yes. Well, I meant to get to this yesterday. I don't know if this is any kind of allowed. It's probably against the rules. But can you guys tell me what you think would happen now

if it were allowed that Aaron Donald could unretire and say I got three games for you. Oh boy. I got three games for you Rams I'm coming back like let I don't know if it's possible playoff rosters rules any of that stuff but I was legitimately wondering if Aaron Donald could do it could you take a year off and be the same human being fresh for three games and Just be pass rush up the middle the Rams could use right now as they go through a gauntlet I think he could I love that it's three games I do like he needs to see them win one before he decides to join the one they just won the one they just won

They win that one against Minnesota. So you guys will tell me first if any of this is legal because I'm guessing it's not. But I like the hypothetical anyway because I wonder whether somebody could physically do something like that. Be dominant if you've retired and actually retired. You're not taking care of your body. You're not lifting weights. So you basically atrophied for not totally because I imagine Aaron Donald would take care of his body some but you've been Vacationing from the idea that you have to punish your body for a living. I don't care about the vacation time I don't care about the time off if you tell Aaron Donald to put his fingers in the dirt and give you three games Aaron Donald's gonna give you three great games

He is and now I'm starting to think of the playoff teams remaining. If they could pull one star from their past, a guy who's retired, who would they take? You like that, don't you? Like would the Eagles take Jason Kelsey? I don't know. I mean, would Kelsey wanna do it? Of all of them?

Of all of them ever? Well, you're not gonna take, you know, I don't know, Wilbert Montgomery. Has to be someone that can still do it. Exactly right, yes. Well, Andrew're not going to take, like, you know, I don't know, Wilbert Montgomery. Has to be someone that can still do it. Exactly right, yes. Well, Andrew Luck, right? The Colts would immediately take Andrew Luck. Right, but they're out of the playoffs.

So of the eight remaining playoff teams, I was wondering, like, who would the Bills take if they could take a guy, Eric Moultz? Eric Moultz could still give you a nod. I don't care that he's 50 years old. What are you talking about? He's not even saying Eric Moultz is in his 50s. I don't care that he's 50 years old. He's not, he said Eric Moules is in his 50s. I don't care.

According to Mike Florio, the deadline for players to come off the reserve slash retired list is the final business day before week 13. So it looks like he can now no longer come back. We should change the rule. That bums me out. Can he say that week 12, all right, I'm coming back and then just not play until the playoffs?

All right, I'm officially back. I just not play until the playoffs. All right, I'm officially back. I would have wasted a roster spot to do that. Just look, I think we can agree on this. Mike Ryan was yelling to anyone who would listen in the middle of the season, hey, I'm taking right now futures on the Rams, 49ers and Bengals because maybe, because football might happen and I think those three might be three of the good teams if they're healthy at the right time. The sneaky thing about us discussing football all hours at all times is, oh there's a Super Bowl champion with pedigree that has been decimated by injuries since they lost Whitworth to retirement and they can still for four games be the team that no look passes

you in the Super Bowl. Is that the simplified Rams analysis where everyone in this sport is just like, yep, we respect you? Yeah. Yeah. I think the Rams are going to make it to the Super Bowl. Well, you've said this. You said-

I really believe it though. Chris Sims keeps telling me how good that team is. Let me ask you about Chris Sims. Well, so do you think or does Chris Simms think that the Rams made it to the Super Bowl? Well, he does, and yeah, I'm stealing it. No, Billy, because when I asked him last week, would you be shocked if the Rams made it to the Super Bowl,

he said yes, he would be shocked, but not shocked if they made it to the NFC Championship game, which in hindsight, I probably should have challenged them on that, because if they can make it that far, they can make it to the Super Bowl. So I'm not really taking Sims' take, I'm taking Sims' take one step further, that's all.

Billy, I am so glad that you brought that up because I wanna highlight what I believe to be one of the great chemical relationships in the history of metal arc media and that is your relationship with Chris Sims as know-it-all chris sims guy and you correctly on god bless football all the time correct him put him in his place he's shana hands buddy but

i will say when stu got says of chris sims my god i just want to steal all his takes steal all of them because he's really smart about football. There's not a lot of people doing it more prepared to know what they're talking about than that guy is. Like he, the way he's studying the media game is a bit obsessive compulsive in a way that scares me. The thing that I wanted to ask,

because I heard him do a promotion for his own show, Chris Sims Unbuttoned, the other day, and he started it out with Yo Yo What's Up Homie, and he ended it with Peace Out Homies. And I'm asking what he's doing there. Well that's Chris Sims. I think what Billy and I have discovered is the Chris Sims you see on TV, that's not Chris Sims.

He talks a lot cooler than he looks. What? He's just shouting out his homies. What's the big deal? Yeah, but he doesn't do that on, you know, football night in America, Sunday Night Football, yo yo, what up, homies? He doesn't do that.

He does it on his podcast. He does it with me and you on God Bless Football. This is why I love Chris Sims right here from the lefko tree of making funny things well. Lefkoe has a tree, huh? He does. Sims is in the Lefkoe tree, you say. How's that one work?

I don't know, I'm asking. I think Sims would view Lefkoe as in the Sims' tree. I'm kind of, I'm wondering if that's the way he sees it too. Do we have any votes in there? Because they were a comedy duo for a while and they did things exceptionally well, and Chris Sims has gone from I'm buttoned up on television and when I'm next to Florio, but on Sirius Satellite XM,

I'm Chris Sims unbuttoned, yo yo, what up homie? What's happening there? I don't know, he's just shouting out his homies. Why can't he shout out his homies? Is he not allowed to say homie? What's going on here? What's going on here, I think is the question. I'm asking, I am asking.

Look, he's a bit starched when he's knotting his tie and doing the dance on behalf of corporate America because he knows how to do it, but then he goes unbuttoned and he's on God bless football, he's unbuttoned. Oh, he's unbuttoned. He's semi-buttoned on God bless football. Off air, he's unbuttoned and he's on God Bless Football, he's unbuttoned. Oh, he's unbuttoned. He's semi-buttoned on God Bless Football. Off air, he's unbuttoned. We're talking shirt unbuttoned, right?

Well, not off air. I'm talking Chris Sims corporate image and Chris Sims who he actually is. You'll see the best look at that through God Bless Football, through Billy agitating him. Chris Sims is naughty, there I said it. I love having Chris Simms on the show because I love his information,

but if not for the dynamic between him and Billy, I'm not certain we'd still be doing it because it is great. All right, but I wanna ask you guys this because God bless football is an award-winning entity and the Chris Simms and Mike Golick knowledge is excellent there as is their relationship with those people but when you're looking for your football information

you all want uh... but this is what happened on the show yesterday all rights to guys may people in like that we spent so much time talking chris had uh... haines about jimmy butler many people are tired of jimmy butler dot is one of them it was at least refreshing because he had new information originally reported he was making an effort move the standard in the gas bag industry is fallen so much that somebody taking that effort stands out because so many people are just giving their opinions somewhere

right and we're giving equal weight to a lot of different voices more than they've ever been but when it comes to football there aren't many people i listen to i'm not expecting them to be predictive about who can win that game, who know what they're talking about more than Chris Sims. And I hear that on God Bless Football, and it has the range of being really smart, really informative, really interesting,

and also unbuttoned, it's fighting with the Duke, because the Duke's the real one who knows football around here. Yeah, I think with Sims, what's so amazing about him, first off, TV does that to you, right? Like TV is gonna suck the personality out of you very few people. Is that right? I should bring out What personality and you know, but he's doing a studio show. It's an NFL show. It's before Sunday night football It feels like an NBC's

But help me with this as somebody who is bucked against the idea of okay Why are we wearing sports coats? Does that give our opinion more weight like that because we're wearing sports coats like who bucks against the idea of pat mcafee seems to be himself on that show and that seems to work like why would you want people to be maximum themselves and be someone else on television what's the point of that will pat mcafee is is his own boss. Like, it's his show. Chris Sims, he's working for NBC. He's doing a studio show that's very important to NBC and the NFL.

So I think those things are different. Now, you make a great point with McAfee because when he goes on college game day, he's still Pat McAfee. And that's kind of a studio show, getting you ready for college football Saturday. But you're allowed to be more of yourself kind of in that atmosphere, that college atmosphere. Does that not sound backward to you guys though as people who love sports coverage, the idea of, hey, go on television, be less yourself than you actually are. Let's make that entertainment. Why? Because we've got to pray for sports. We got to take the cathedral super serious.

NBC Sunday nights, America gathered around the television, tie your tie, button up your shirt. But don't you think there's a certain way to do studio shows? McAfee has his own show, it's kind of like our show. There's a certain way to do studio shows, like Chris Berman, what you saw in the air for all those years, there's a different person off air. I've seen it, I've met him. I mean, it job like you don't you know It's a job and you behave differently at work than you do at home Like I'm sure Mina Kimes is a lot differently like on NFL countdown than she is, you know Just hanging out on the weekend right with Lenny, but do you guys not understand? Do I have this wrong? The homie Lenny. Did you know isn't that?

Isn't that why? So much of the content ends up being homogenized? Like isn't that why everything becomes a little bit the same? What do you want him to call everybody motherf**kers like he does on God Bless Football? Yo, I'm gonna smoke a joint right after this game. Imagine that's how he's talking to Tony Dungy. That doesn't work. Wait a minute. I got Mad Dog saying he's on gummies all the time. I got Pat McAfee talking to all the smoke and he says all the

science is running through his body. Like yeah, but those are different shows. Mad Dog's doing a radio show. I have acknowledged all the weed smoking I've done over the years on this show. I've talked about it openly. I wouldn't do it on Sports Center. You didn't do it on ESPN. That's exactly right. I'm just asking you, don't you want from television the most on Sports Center. You didn't do it on ESPN. That's exactly right. I'm just asking you, don't you want from television the most authentic personalities? Isn't Charles Barkley the most interesting personality in the history of sports television

because everyone believes it to be authentic and unafraid and isn't that what you want? I'm not saying, I guess this is what I would say to you, that the Chris Sims off the air is more interesting and the Chris Sims on the air is plenty interesting, that I would love to see him be his full self because he doesn't have to go to quarterback school under his father Phil Sims and be broadcasting the way CBS thinks about it. I think the Ravens would take Anquan Bolden. No question about it. No question about it. And Anquan Bolden, I'm telling you right now, he could still do it.

I don't know how old he is, but Anquan Bolden can give you seven catches, 96 yards at a touchdown and asleep. Jessica. 44. Help me as our resident old person who's a young person, because CBS is going for a certain broadcasting demo when they get Matt Ryan, who I saw him the other day and I'm like, man, he fits in perfectly as the starched,

starched old person with his suit just perfectly manicured and will never say a single interesting thing so that none of the old people get offended. Matt Ryan is perfect for CBS, which is trying to bring back Hollywood Squares and goes for the old people demo on, let's keep this looking the same and safe so that the old people don't get scared. Let's just give them the same pregame show. We'll throw Tony Gonzalez in once in a while. Nate Burleson, Shannon Sharple.

He was on my flight last week. I saw a three day span. Tony Gonzalez was on my flight from Chicago to New York after the Bears played on Thursday night. Bad, awful game by the way Oh summer 26 Thursday night game Bears Oh, and then Steven Spielberg the next day and then Michael Imperiali three in a row Bam bam bam and obviously Tony Gonzalez the least famous of the three Can you guys play for me, please Jason Garrett just turning to the screen when he knows the camera is there. This is authentic.

Jason Carrot. You want him to be himself in front of that guy. Yes. Just television. Those look like a carrot. Just, yeah. All right, put it on the poll, please, that laboratory show. Does Jason Garrett look like a carrot?

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netsuite.com slash dlb. Don LeBattard. I want to talk about a team that I actually want to see come playoff time. I want to see the Chiefs. Oh, Stugats. I want Patrick Mahomes strolling into my stadium with max confidence. I want Travis Kelcey. I want Patrick Mahomes strolling into my stadium with max confidence. I want Travis

Kelsey. I want Taylor Swift. I want the team that lost to Jordan Love. I want the team that lost to Aiden O'Connell. I want the team that trailed 17 to nothing to Jake Browning. That is the team that I would like to face in the playoffs. That's the team indeed that I would want to face in the playoffs because that team is not very good. This is the Don LeBataar Show with the StuGuard. Would the Chiefs take back Priest Holmes? Wow, this is exciting. Do they have to be retired or just any former Chief?

It's got to be a former chief who you think could still muster it up for three games. But not active. When you said, you said Tony Gonzalez. Oh wow. I mean Tony Gonzalez. What Travis? Oh.

I think Tyree Kill would retire just so he could go back to Kansas City under this scenario. I mean, he almost did at the end of the season. I mean, you could interpret it that way if you wanted. Can I ask the group because I don't know that the name Christian Okoye would land with Jeremy and Jessica the way that- Nigerian nightmare. Gotta be careful with that one. Why? For me, I mean, yeah, because I can't speak. Don't worry, you guys, we got you. Thank you Roy. Moving on. Anyway, you were saying that him and Barry were, what a great

one-two combo, huh? You think you're going to act as permission? I'm just trying to make sure he doesn't get in trouble. That's my job at the moment. I appreciate you. But, at the moment, you've put us in the middle of this mess because Chris, you mentioned, yes, I will tell you why. I will tell you why, know your teammates. Oh. Know your teammates. As soon as you say Christian Okoye,

and I don't know if the rest of you noticed this, he barreled into the room to say it because this is the Roy Wheelhouse. Do I get to shout the name of an old player that will make us laugh? Like, there is no place that Roy is more joyous than this particular space, where he careened into the room

and he shouted Christian Okoye at us, because he knew that that was going to spew from Stu Gatz's bowels a belch of the Nigerian nightmare. I nailed it. That's producing, friends. And then Stu calls himself out, oddly. Oh, that was close. Just in general, it's more of a general thing.

Roy, please stop playing with fire. I apologize. Hey, Christian Okoye, see you later, everybody. You have a Barry word a lot easier. Yes. Makes a smile, you know. No nickname, though, I understand. Okay. Makes a smile, you know. No nickname though, I understand. Okay.

The dictionary. Oh. Christian Okoye. Oh. You should look it up. He was Derek Henry before Derek Henry and probably smaller than Derek Henry. That's crazy.

I'm gonna guess, I don't know. Maybe I have that wrong. I'm doing, I tend to make today's players bigger, stronger, faster than all of yesterday's players, and I don't know where the line on that is. I think of today's receivers as being more athletic than the 1980s, obviously, but there were plenty of Hall of Fame wide receivers in the 2000s, you know what I mean?

So I don't know where the line is generationally on where it is that you say that athletes stop being bigger, stronger, faster than the previous generation where your nostalgia ends up carrying you and you think things that aren't so. Like for example, I thought that today's players on the defensive line were a lot larger than Howie Long, even though Howie Long was one of the largest of his time,

and Jay Glazer was like, no, Howie Long was pretty big for his size, but I think of that time as an ancient sports time where people were just smaller, where the 1972 offensive line for the undefeated Dolphins averaged 26 average 266 pounds like something or maybe smaller than that I think Larry little was their biggest Hall of Fame offensive lineman at like 300 pounds the Nigerian nightmare was 612 53 Derek Henry is 622 47 a big six to though a big six big six to

My six to he looks six eight out there Chris is like I can take him. I'll tackle him Only six to please that's shorter than Mike Ryan. Yeah, what do you guys think is the worst feeling in football? hit Wallace code That's the worst feeling football. I would say tackling Derrick Henry. While it's cold. I was gonna ask more, I guess, about whatever the embarrassment is of many of us came from a couple of games over the weekend in football. And the takeaway was Goddard will stiff arm Valentine for 30 yards and Derrick Henry will

stiff arm Minka Fitzpatrick in a way that you will send your friends, this is the memeable moment from the game, watch Derrick Henry punch a defensive back who's a first round pick in the face, because the Ravens like to punch the Steelers in the face. Look at how the Ravens play football. Let's be honest about this, okay? America loves this sport, at least in part, because every time what you're watching

is violent acquisition, it's at the core of the country's DNA. How do we violently acquire the other people's land? Here's how we do it with Derek Henry, stiff arming Minka Fitzpatrick. It's a good way of doing it. Here, Minka, you want to be tough and tackle everything in football to get to the top of sports? How about some of this from Derek Henry? He just punches people in the face running through your secondary.

I'm kind of with you on D-line players now being bigger, stronger, faster, right? It has to happen. Like, but then I think back to Reggie White. Was Reggie White the same size as Chris Jones? Because Chris Jones is a lot bigger, stronger, faster than how he long was, you know? I don't know how to do this because at some point some group of people is going to say that Michael Jordan wasn't the most athletic, right? No.

See, this is where I trap you though. There'll never be a group of people who say that. Okay, but we've forgotten, Wilt. A group of idiots. I was talking the other day about the fact that if it happened in the 1950s in sports, did it really actually happen? When I tell you that LaMelo Ball has as many shots per minute as Wilt Chamberlain,

none of us today are talking about Wilt Chamberlain like we understand what his athleticism was compared to his peers. But Bill Russell won all those championships. Bill Russell is one of the greatest centers ever. You wanna look at his dimensions? Go give, please give me his height and weight. Bill Russell, one of the best centers ever.

When I'm watching a sport now where they're telling me Carl Anthony Towns can't play center for 40 minutes or the Knicks won't be deep enough. I feel like we're, like, yes, the nutrition's gotten better. Like training's gotten better. A lot of the things around sports have gotten better in the last few decades than they were before. But like trying to say every person before a certain decade was just like a wet noodle. I'm they were still very strong and very fast and very large people

and just going off height and weight. I don't think it's giving you a full picture. Russell was 610 to 20. A center. 220 pounds. I want you to imagine that in the post now look it up NBA rosters 220 pounds Bama DiBio is six foot nine two hundred and fifty five pounds undersized way undersized for a center playing against one of the freakiest athletes I've ever seen in this town like first I'm not kidding you. I saw the other day that Stephen Adams was like, hey, A-Man Thompson is the most athletic thing I've ever seen in a basketball uniform. I'm like, dude, you played with Russell Westbrook. What are you talking about? How can you get that forgetful? I would argue Russell Westbrook is the most

athletic being in the history of that league. I would make the argument just in terms of athleticism, not understanding how you can get triple doubles at that size, but it's just because you've got more fast-switch muscle fiber than everyone else. You're taking up basketball skill. You're just saying as an athlete. I think I'm with you. As an athlete. Look, like Russell Westbrook could play wide receiver, I think. Okay, this is what I'm saying to you about sports okay because I really do love that it's the competition of not just the inner cities but the globe now for money, fame and

the biggest of currencies. How do I get into professional sports and get to the top of the most excellent and the most excellent top 1% of the top one percent how do i get there medicine science doctors to millions of dollars in training how do i fix my body what i need to do i know a lot of people think that they're eating mcdonald's and just traveling and partying that's not what's happening i know that we think that's what zion williamson is doing that's not what's happening like these people

are in professional organizations that are trying to streamline business so that they could beat other people who are competition-aholics. It's a crazy business to get to the top of. And the athletes are thrown into the maw of it, their bodies, science experiments. Test the human limits of how strong and how big we can be. I saw a 305 guy in motion in the NFL the other day.

I saw, earlier this season there was a threat, sweat. A 366 pound guy is running with the football. And I'm like, and runs faster than anyone you've ever seen. Runs fast for that size where you're like, that shouldn't move that way. I'd always argue that we're in the best time, that we're in the most the most athletic time, that LeBron James at 40 is something the world has never seen. That's not something that's ever existed on this planet, being able

to play basketball with those efficiencies. That right now what we're watching in Jokic, I don't know if you guys know this, but I think Jokic is still leading the league in three-point percentage. Come on. Like I think he's the watching in yokich i don't know if you guys know this but i think you'll get to still leading the league in three point percentage come like i think he's the most of fit i think he's the most i think he's making near half of his three point shots because offensive basketball has never been played better by anyone playing offensive basketball than that person

and just because you think he looks like a loaf of bread doesn't mean that his advanced defensive metrics aren't Also good you can make the argument that that's the best basketball has ever been played by anybody Anybody ever Michael Jordan included joke. It's just second. This is funny behind Sabonis So he's right there bill Russell 220 Jimmy Butler 230 So he's right there. Bill Russell, 220. Jimmy Butler, 230. We can't do it height and weight, Jessica. Imagine Jimmy Butler playing against Wilts. Bill Russell would get caught in Jokic's ass crack. He'd be going up and down the court in his ass crack. Be careful with this, man. Bill Russell is a legend.

So at what age do I have to do that? Yes, of course it's blasphemous Billy help me out here at what age are we going to look at an athlete and say Michael Jordan doesn't represent the height of athleticism that's a bygone time he's he's John Havel check he's Rick Barry he's he's 20 years a generation removed from when things got really athletic on death so like how old are you before you, like when you start disrespecting older? Exactly. What year is the cutoff? Like if you were born post 2000, you're better than everyone

before that year. Like when I say Babe Ruth would be like a softball, beer league softball player. Like that's the question. Like when are we going to get to that level with Michael Jordan? Well, no, Dan. I mean, Billy, at a time, Willie Mays was considered one of the greatest athletes in the world, right?

And that went on for several, several decades, right? And then at some point, we just decided to turn the clock. I have a way to phrase this. And then it was Bonds, Griffey, Jordan. Who's the oldest player, athlete, that we consider a modern-day athlete? Is Barry Bonds a modern-day athlete? I think yes.

Yeah, Jordan. Okay, so is around there the cutoff, early 90s? Well, I know the way that you guys are doing it, but I'm doing it the way Billy's doing it, where Billy is saying, we now make the joke that the 104 mile an hour guy coming out of the A's pen would make that Babe Ruth swinging that big piece of wood up there look like his bat was slow because he wouldn't be able to keep up with the times today. We can make that joke 100 years removed. When are we gonna make it about Jordan?

When are we gonna say that, wait a minute, you know how they're doing it now? Look at Wemba Nyama. They make them eight four now and they make threes from half court. I don't know how that happened, but they dunk everything, they block everything, and the human species is now rendered that model

Obsolete never on Jordan. Yeah, he might be the cutoff Saying guys born in the 60s are washed and we should write them off. Did you come BJ or AJ? Mm-hmm before Jordan or after Jordan also like, you know, Babe Ruth never had to play against these modern players So I don't we don't maybe he would have upped his physical game and done, lifted some weights. Right. But I think what Dan is saying is Karl Malone, who was a massive man back in the 80s and 90s, he'd be small today. Yeah, the mailman.

Same with the Admiral. Well, he'd have to move his game out to the three-point line. He's not doing it. They wouldn't want those two pointers. He wouldn the admiral. He'd have to move his game out to the three point line. He's not doing it. They wouldn't want those two pointers. He wouldn't do it, that's correct. He didn't like the mail to you. That's threes, he liked the mail to you.

The mailman, I mean, that's a nickname we won't even have in 20 years, because the mail will be completely obsolete. We'll have the emailman, and that won't even be relevant anymore. How's Lucy doing with the TikTok ban? Do we know? Because I know it's easy for us to make fun of it.

Chris felt it a little bit more because Chris has gotten a little addicted to that sugar as well. But if we're all addicted to the devices and TikTok was the most advanced of the devices, so scary that the government has to say, yeah, we don't want this here anymore. And everyone's like, yeah, get it out of here.

China, they're taking all our thoughts and information. Like, how is Lucy doing with taking away something that has become a substantive addiction for a generation? I haven't checked in with Lucy this week. I know that she was struggling with it last week. I know that the kids these days, Jeremy was telling me, they've moved on to a more Chinese app. Yeah, that's right.

They're like, hey government, you're gonna tell us we can't be on TikTok? We're gonna go to an even more Chinese app. Just a big middle finger to the US government going to Red Note, which was the number one app on the app store yesterday, as everyone is downloading the app that's in China. There is a real, real business opportunity here for, as everyone is downloading the app that's in China.

Well, there's a real, real business opportunity here for, well, if minds and info and bodies are for sale, okay, we'll be this addicted that we will allow some branches of the internet in China to control our thoughts, infos, and actions. Well, what, you want them to leave it to Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg? Yeah, well there's that too. Oh man, thisos, and actions. Well, what, you want them to leave it to Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg?

Yeah, well there's that too. Oh man, this is so much worse. We're gonna talk about that with Pablo Torre and David Sampson because it does feel like we're living in apocalyptic time. But TikTok hasn't disappeared off people's phones. I think you're still gonna be able to use it, you just won't be able to update it, right, JerBear?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the case, but then what does it become if there's no new content? I need new content. Right, I gotta tell you guys, nothing says TikTok quite like David Sampson. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's not TikTok, it's Zuckerberg.

It's another, I need you to keep up here because these are complicated times and there's some freedoms being impinged upon and you might want to pay some attention to how eager Elon Musk is to buy America by just following Donald Trump around. As he gets to ransacking the government. It's cute that you think that you own your own thoughts, Dan,

and that someone doesn't already own them. That's correct. They seem like genuine friends to me. I own Chris Simms'. What's fun about Red Note is it actually, from the Chinese translation, means little red book, which is Chairman Mao's instructions in communism. This is awkward.

I told you one of the great business scams I've ever seen in my life was in China with the entombment of Mao, because the line was down the street of people buying flowers and putting them at Mao's tomb site and then when you came back six hours later all of those flowers had been put back in the shack and resold to a new group of people because Six hours later none of the flowers it was what it was one of the great grifts I've seen of all time happening right in front of me

with a dead emperor. Kind of like what the Panthers do with the rats. People throw the rats on the ice, they gather the rats and then sell the rats. The Lions take Megatron. Ooh, for sure. How about Ray Lewis? Think he'd still get you nine tackles?

10. Billy, yesterday I aired in wandering around through a bunch of Greg Cody meanderings. Greg Cody was great the last two days. It was a historic throwback performance by Greg Cody until he petered out in the third hour because he tired of Jimmy Butler and Chris Haynes talk. Back to back days.

It was a long 40 minutes. It was long, too long. It is. You buy weird tickets. Chris, let me ask you the same question Chris Haynes talk back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to so are we still talking about that what's going on we're going to talk about not talking about it anymore because of how much we've annoyed the audience but i will tell you and this is very polarizing jeremy was very excited by that chris haynes interview at in the middle of the night last night i got a text from a main talking about how great that jimmy butler chris haynes interview was and i have rarely seen people more divided on a subject

where I thought something was good, but I could tell that everyone here didn't think that that was good because everyone's grown so tired of Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat, and they're like, why are we talking about a middling eight seeds 35 year old player? And it's because the franchise and the market that got so excited with 2010, 2014 basketball, Miami Heat,

where you're the center of the universe and you're making super teams. That market falling into the sea so the Boston Celtics could be champion and only feeling alive when they're trading their best old player? It felt like the old days for a week. We're talking about basketball in Miami like it matters.

Yeah, but in the old days, we used to talk about a team that was good. Yeah, that was 11 years ago. LeBron left 11 years ago. That's amazing. Really? Yeah. And we're still talking about that.

I'd also say that like, you know, saying that people were tired of talking about Jimmy Butler, they're tired of Jimmy Butler and the Heat. The, they're tired of Jimmy Butler and the Heat, the Heat are also tired of Jimmy Butler and the Heat, and Jimmy Butler is also tired of Jimmy Butler and the Heat. So imagine everyone else, everyone who's less invested of the situation. But, so I'm arguing though with Amin,

I'm like, Amin, trust me when I say this, that was only interesting to basketball nerds. One of the problems the sport has is that many people are tuning out on basketball because of what all this has wrought. The idea, Stugats, like it is, there's no disputing this wherever it is that you align racially or politically. In today's times, in today's times where people are struggling with not understanding how are you telling me that the economy is good when I can't afford things because of inflation?

A player says I can't get joy under contract for I get 50-40 million this year and opt into 50 million next year when you're Jimmy Butler and you've done plenty of winning and proved you're a badass. but that you'll make this mess. That's gonna land wrong with a public that is waiting for that sport to land wrong since George Floyd, since the bubble, since woke culture, since you put social justice on the uniforms. People want some of this stuff to fail and Jimmy Butler is a easy place to just check out on the NBA because you're making a lot of money and you're not enjoying it.

Get out of here. I gotta tell you something, man, you are good. How'd you bring us back to a topic that none of us wanna discuss? I mean, you are good. And you're making it interesting, I mean. What's gonna happen to Jimmy's new brick and mortar coffee shop he just opened in the design district?

I love their coffee, it is so good. Yes, it's actually, I'm not being paid by them to say this. Delicious coffee. I agree with you. Can we make, let's actually, I'm not being paid by them to say this. Delicious coffee. I agree with you. Can we make, let's do some business. If you're, you're not just, you're not being paid to say this, you're a genuine advocate for $100 coffee.

It's like cost the same as all the overpriced coffee in the city. It's not like, it's particularly overpriced. The merch on the other hand, very overpriced. But is he gonna close it? What's gonna happen? I mean, he just opened it like two weeks ago. I keep seeing businesses all over South Florida close.

This is happening all over the place too, correct? As desperation increases, as homelessness increases, this is something, you guys are noticing all over the country. There are more things shuttered and closed at least in part because people aren't even working on the streets anymore. They're more at home than they've ever been. I was reading something today about like among American middle-aged males 74 percent of them or something say they have moderate to high loneliness. Like, we're kind of in a weird time, aren't we? Like, we can all agree on this, yes?

This is not something that we would even disagree that weird times, strange times. On the show or in general? Everywhere. You're just talking about like football players and how tall they were. Everywhere. Yeah, just come on over to Red Note, comrade. Oh. Oh.

Right over there. That's a good slogan, right, man. I like that. Comrade is great. Yeah, like things are weird, but you also may be projecting a little bit. Yeah. Yes.

I mean, I saw Wendy's, though, was closed, but that's about it. Right. Jordan's still the greatest. OK, I think we can all agree on that. that's about it. Right. Jordan's still the greatest. OK, I think we can all agree on that. All right, very good. I'm glad we agree. Just saying the year 2025 already

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