The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Oppenheimer + Barbie

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer. What happened to the movie theater double dip? Greta Gerwig’s Barbie. How Barbie is like Back to the Future, Grease and The Truman Show. Adnan actually goes to the theater to buy tickets. Oscar De La Hoya joins Adnan to discuss his new documentary, The Golden Boy. Who eats chicken tenders without fries? Adnan’s friends were indifferent about his pink outfit for Barbie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Magnificent. Chris Franoel's three hour historical biopic Oppenheimer is a gorgeously photographed, brilliantly acted, masterfully edited, and thoroughly engrossing epic. The insulate takes its place among the finest films of this decade. Richard Roper, Chicago, sometimes, given it up for Oppenheimer. It is our feature review this week. We've got two big ones though. Barbie is the other one, just a massive weekend of the box office. As I was able to see both of those movies, plus our Wild Card this week. We got two big ones though. Barbie is the other one just a massive weekend of the box office as I was able to see both of those movies plus our Wildcard this week. No old movies, but Wildcard is Oscar De La Hoya. Yeah, one of the greatest boxers ever. And certainly a guy

been a fan of for a long time. He's got a new two part documentary about his life premiering an HBO tonight. Part one is tonight, which is Monday. We're recording and Tuesday is part two. I don't know if Cody's gonna get this out tomorrow. If it's up tomorrow, you'll have already seen part one. You can watch part two again. Both of those are available on HBO and on max. Oscar is always very candid, very interesting coming to terms with a lot of his addictions in life. And he really talks about it at length, not only in the interview, but also in the documentaries.

I encourage you checking it out all about the Golden Boy. Speaking of Golden boys, though, we're going to die right into the movies, which is the names you could give right now to think to both of these people. The Golden Girl, BeGread a Girl wig, and the Golden Guy would be Chris Frenoland. Before we dive into the movies themselves, just a thought on the box office and just how massive this was this week. And everybody seemingly went to the movies. I had said last week that the modest prediction was Barbie would open at $ hundred million dollars and the modest prediction was Oppenheimer at fifty million instead Barbie which has an estimated production budget of a hundred forty five million dollars and a marketing campaign of a hundred

fifty so three hundred million there into this thing gigantic numbers I believe grossed a hundred and sixty million dollars this weekend and one eighty two that's one sixty domestic one eighty two foreign gross as well. I don't hit the foreign numbersers. Potein for movie like this. That's more like action movies. And Oppenheimer again, I went conservative budget at $50 million. The budget, the numbers coming in right now at $80 million opening weekend. That's staggering. Frey, three hour film, which is a historical epic about a guy who built the time bomb 80 years ago. Like that's gigantic numbers and really speaks the power of Christopher Nolan and the fact that people still love going

to the movies. They want to see movies in movie theaters, especially when they're a supersized scale like these films. That budget, it believes $100 million. I don't know his marketing costs. Foreign budget came in about 93 was the box office gross, but bottom lies this huge numbers for both of these movies to be able to say Barbie 160 million opening weekend domestic and 80 million opera domestic, great news if you love going to the movies.

So that's the first and foremost aspect of this. I'm curious to see how they hold up the legs and them in both, but massive numbers there. Again, if you enjoyed previous episodes of Simifalas, always check them out. Please go to the Apple Podcast, subscribe, rate, and review. And thanks again to our man Nat Segalov, talking about the exorcist legacy. Prior to seeing Oppenheimer, there's a trailer for the new exorcist movie coming out in October. The great David Gordon Green is directing that. So exorcist all over the place, 50th anniversary. I still just love the fact. I wish we had more buzz here in social media. How great was that Billy Friedkin clip? I mean, you know, I sent everybody. I don't give a flying

fuck the rolling doughnut with Al Pacino. That was great. It was fantastic. I think credible That's part of the interview. I mean, it's that was fantastic Billy freaking. Oh, let me sat next to each other But they were not facing each other like that you should have like, oh look, it's Billy Billy. It's out. Remember when he said about the rolling donut. Oh, I want to get this face right now. All right, let's talk Oppenheimer. Let's do this So the whole question is this first off the whole whole aspect of Barbara divers, people seeing it on the same day, which really Norris stand Cody, like when you're gonna get two gigantic movies like this, why would you pardon the vulgarity, shoot your load in one sitting? Like why wouldn't you just see one way or one day, one way the next thing, especially these two fences are so diverse, I get it if you were like,

now there's a new Spider-Man movie and like a new, I don't know. And any other Marvel movie, go, I'm gonna get my superhero vibe. But Barbie is a movie aimed at tweens and it's about a plastic doll come to life in her life. And Oppenheimer is a three hour historical epic. Why on the earth would you want to watch both of those movies together? I don't get it. Do you go Oppenheimer first? Like, what do you got it?

Like, you can't say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, I think if you're gonna do it, which I did not, we'll get into in a second. I think you do Barbie first, because that no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Chris Young was joking me. Emily Network analyst, you know, the old school move, a movie are all 14. You go and get ticket for one movie, then you go and the other movie theater. So if that's what you're doing, I'm actually going to support that. If they feel like you know, Barbara Heiber, because I want to get two for the price of one, no problem. Consider the price of tickets these days, as much as I support going for the movies, I also support a little bit of rascally behavior, okay? We've lost that with the assigned seating. Yeah, I guess only for popular movies. You can't really do it. If it's not a popular movie, you can still kind

of sneak into 100%. Nothing wrong. I don't like sneaking in. I don't always be praying nothing to me. That would be wrong. But two for the price of one. Considering price of tickets is $14, I don't know you just with that. Go ahead. It's a part of adolescence, part of our youth. So maybe if that's how you did Barbara and Hymer, I get it. It's only kids. You're only okay with kids doing it. And if that all happens to you, I'm like, if that's how you did Barbara and Hymer, I get it. It's only kids. You're only okay with kids doing it. And a dog. No, if that also happens to that, I'm like, it's my crying.

If my crying is sneaking into bullets, like you're gonna want that. I would definitely call the flag. I would throw the flag. What if he has one kid? What if it's an adult and it with a kid? No, got to pay for one. Whatever, we're getting bogged out.

Yeah, I still think, yeah, I mean, I still think, even if you're with a kid, five, and if you're a kid, it's okay, adult, not allowed. So I'm gonna say 35 plus. You missed it. If it was a couple of years, you did it, but got good for your code. You're like 34, now you're like 36, my God,

you can't do that, my God. So I don't wanna do both in the same day. I'm working Friday, Thursday, I was working at double. So I thought about seeing it Thursday, and I opening that, which would've been a terrible mistake. I would've been exhausted. I mean, this is the kind of way that demands your attention. And the whole thing is, I would seen up and I'm first and yet

My old buddy Rob Lemley, E.S.P. in producing legend all-time great guy It listens to every episode of cinephile. We saw a Dunkirk together So he wants to recreate the Nolan magic and let's go see it together as you know and as everyone knows listening to this podcast I never see movies with people. I see it by myself. I see it with my family So then I have to worry about somebody else's schedule. So I was like, all right, well, you know, Thursday, the late show, but I'm like, hey, I'm working on a double ies of the game. And again, if you work, you're energy is already off for this. I could just tell by your energy, you didn't really want to go the movie with the sky. You didn't want to, but you were just worried about the scheduling. You're like, all right, when are we going? What's that? It is adding a wrinkle that

I would normally not have you are correct in that. No, I just go, Hey, I tell my wife I'll be back in three hours. No problem. Now that now there's some scheduling challenges. You are right about that. So Saturday I'm off. I'm a close Saturday with an easiest. I'll go see a new show. Again, I'm always up with the kids running around a little bit. Go to the park. I see movie. We come back. We go whatever. Oh, good. He's going to work Saturday. I'm working WNBM. So now my wife does really wanna go see Barbie.

So I'm like, you know what? I can't believe this, but I'm gonna see Barbie before Oppenheimer, because she wants to go see it. Like no problem, and I do need to see it for the podcast. And she wants to invite a couple other couples. I'm like, all right. So I went last Tuesday to the movie theater. Anyway, brother always spends an amusement

actually go to the theater, but no, I gotta go to the theater. And I bought tickets for me and Lem for Sunday 6.30 PM I max. At that point already Cody, it was 70% sold on it. This is like Sunday night show. Yeah. I'm working the Hall of Fame,

Congrats for Fred McGriff, Scott Roland on the Hall of Fame. And as soon as they're done, I'm gonna roll right to the movie. Six to three. I'm dogs, okay. Yeah, I love the crime dog. So that means Saturday, Barbie.

Now my wife's kind of worried because I go, my friends are saying, it's selling out. I go, no, my local theater in Ridgewood, Ridgewood no way the theater me and then went to a parameters By the mall there Might sell out this one. There's no chance But sure enough I went on the Friday the day before to buy the tickets in person and he goes well The show tonight sold out. I'm really I've never seen a movie sell out here in which would in four years

It's like 740 sold out sir the five o'clock closest selling and I got a little problem We're back. Yeah, I go house the 2.15 looking tomorrow. He's like, oh, no problem. I mean it was maybe at that point 30% vlog. I'll get six tickets 87.50 for Barbie To get in the mood I had a pink golf shirt on again. I'm meeting my wife's friends as two other couples So pink golf shirt. She's like, oh, okay, and I also have pink shorts because now it's too much. I go hang on a second We're going to see Barbie. I'm gonna wear wear all pink. It's because I'll take a picture. I'll post it and I'm posting to social that I'm not doing this for social.

I'm doing this for the event. It's Barbie. I'm wearing pink, but let's not make a deal about it, but I'm wearing all pink. I'm wearing more pink that she is quite frankly. And her friends are showing like, oh, wow, like we're in the pink. I'm like, yeah, we're going to see Barbie. What else would I be wearing? Were they happy with the pink or a little weirded out by the pink?

Neither. I think just comment like, oh, we're in the pink for the barbecue. Like, just just not for like the not for the barbecue. Look up, just different. Not for a reason, like not passing judgment, but not in praise of not just kind of getting wearing pink, like, okay, we're going. We're going, nice meeting you, I'm like, sure thing.

You guys want snacks, milk, thuds, and popcorn, whatever, okay. So we get there and one of the first things to look around, I'm like, wow, cause you're going into the movie thinking, oh my God, probably this is gonna be a big movie event. Greta Kerr week's is great director. She's a lady bird, little woman, Margot Robbie,

previous guest on Cinephile, by the way, you can go listen to Margot Robbie interview. She's very, very nice. It was actually just promoting itonia sports movie. So ESPN branding had some help, but very sweet. This is pretty zoom, so I couldn't see her. So I can't get into any details, but very nice on the phone, name check me.

Never talked to Ron Goss and before, fellow Canadian, he's from Ontario. I'm excited to see him as well. But when I sat in the theater, that was the moment I go, what's going on here? Like I was so fired up, I got a Barbie, let's go. I'm like, no, this is like a bunch of 16 year old girls. Like what? This movie's not going to be any good.

Like Cody's right, like what this isn't like now. Like, who are you? You're a 44 year old man. Where you're all wearing pink shorts and a pink shirt. Pink shirt and pink shorts, you're a 44 year old man. And you actually think like this movies that you're gonna like it Like it might be a good movie, but you're not gonna like it. You you like good fellas like you're not gonna like Doing and I'm like yeah, I don't know. Well, let's do it. So it goes and sure enough out of the gate

I'm like I'm not gonna like this movie. It's about a doll Doll-themed little girls play with this moment of like what am I doing right now? At the moment itself, I'm like I have to see the now? At the moment of self awareness, I'm like, I have to see the movie anyways because of Sinofal, but I'm like, there's no chance. I'm gonna actually like this movie, even with this pedigree involved. So I start watching, okay, Barbie's this real life doll.

Uh-huh, okay, interesting. And so she's living in Barbie land, which is where all the other dolls are. And you know, it's kind of silly, the way her life is, you know, she drinks the cup of coffee in the morning, but nothing comes out of it, you know, she takes her shower, no water comes out, nothing messes her up.

And there's all these barbies everywhere. So she walks down the street, hi, Barbie, hi, Barbie, hi, Barbie, hi, Barbie. They do this whole thing. And she is stereotypical Barbie. But there's like, you know, athletic Barbie, there's black Barbie, there's the barbies everywhere. Look how, and they're all just saying,

how do you say, okay, and this just goes about her day looking beautiful, looking great. And then almost sudden, she goes to the beach, of course, you see Ken, Ken's got his A-pack, my man man, Goss thing, please, blonde hair, looking fit. But he's kind of a dork like the Ken's whole mood. And by the way, Helen Marin is the narrator fantastic. We're like more of Helen Marin. I should mention actually the opening. The first image which I did think was hilarious, a play on 2001, the great Stanley Kubrick movie, which started out. You remember that great shot of the, you know, the apes and they started

smashing everything. This time it's Margot Robbie as Barbie watching a little kid playing with dolls. And then she takes her Barbie and starts smashing other dolls and got that great music, of course, from 2001. So my God, pretty clever opening. Well, good way to start the movie. Then we get to Barbie land. Anyway, she sees Ken. He's the guys the beats are all named Ken. Hey, Ken, hey, Ken. And as the narrator tells us, Ken's day is only impacted by how Barbie treats him. If Barbie's nice to him, Ken has a good day. Otherwise, Ken's having a bad day.

But Ken's there with the beach. He loves to go to the beach, right? He hangs it, whatever. So the next day, Barbie wakes up and also something's gone wrong. So the water's not coming out of the shower. The coffee's not working. The water actually comes out. She's cold.

Oh my God. The actually is water in the coffee. Oh, this is weird. She says, hi, everybody. Hi, Barbie. She slips in falls. Okay. Something's going on here. Weird. And the most disconcertingcerting thing which is amusing is normally her feet are always like heels up

Yeah, what's going on? What is the problem? So she goes to Kate McKinnon who shows up in a very amusing cameo Just looking haggard they call her weird Barbie because she is weird Barbie Just kind of funny looking all teeth and fangs and stuff hairs all messed up crazy clothing and she's like Yeah, well, we've got a problem here. You need to go to the real world and figure out who is playing with Barbie because, you know, there's this hex and voodoo blah, blah, blah, whatever. You've got to go there. So she's like, either you can leave your life here in Barbie land or you can go figure what's going on. She's a cook out. I'll just stay here. So you know, that's not what I was hoping you're gonna say. You have to go to the real world. Is it quite? No, you

have to go to the road. So I don't want to. You go to the real world, figure out the real world. So now Barbie goes to the real world to get some of her cars. She's going to bite everybody. We're going to fix this. We're going to figure out what's going on. Ken jumps in the car, unbeknownst her. Oh my God. Terrifies her.

Ken wants to go along for the ride. So go to the real world. And up until this, as I'm saying, I'm enjoying the movie. I think it's light. I think it's really fabulous production design. Like it's all pink everywhere. Like I, again, $145 billion budget. They spent this money wise because it looks like it's own universe, which I appreciate. Any movie that puts me in a different world,

obviously the world's really good. And so, you know, they're wearing like, so do you'd wear to go rollerblading? And I think guys are kind of checking out Barbie, and she's not used to this. She's kind of like, oh, okay, hi guys, we're, we have a Ken's lovingly attention. Also, guys looking at him, a lot of gay men looking at him, good looking guy, eight back, he's like, ah, ah, ah, let's go. And then, it Barbie says, well, let's go to a construction site. Let's try to find some women there. And of course, it's all guys making con.

It's just like, I'm not really sure what you're saying, but just so you know, I don't have a vagina. And he doesn't have a penis. And they're like, oh, my God, what is going on here? He's going to have a skull as an ear. So now they have to figure out what's happening in this reality. And she's trying to find that again, who's playing with the Barbie, who's messing up her whole world?

And Ken's like, I gotta, I gotta figure out what's going here. I'm kind of enjoying this different world I'm in now. So he goes to the library and it really amusing sequence. He finds out what this world is all about and he learns the word patriarchy. And he's like, this place is awesome. He's like, man, all rule the world here. Like patriarchy is awesome.

And to him, patriarchy is literally riding horses because he's just, he's books about cowboys and and western. So there's a really funny sequence where he goes to a bunch of different jobs as a guy. I'm a man. I'd like a job like I'm a white man. Like I run the world. What he did me to do. And you know, he goes to sell cars. He goes to be like, they're really funny. He's sick. And again, you see this in the trailer. So not spoiling anything. But he's in the hospital and he's like, I'd like to deliver a baby. She's like, you can't. He's like, where's the doctor? She's like, I am the doctor. He's like, no, you're a woman. Where's the guy? Where can I go? Oh, doctor. How are you? He's like, okay, great. I want to go deliver a baby. She's like, you can't. He's like, where's the doctor? She's like, I am the doctor. No, you're not, you're a woman.

Where's the guy? Where's the guy? Where's the doctor? Oh, doctor, how are you? He's like, okay, great. I want to go deliver a baby because I'm a man. So he now has this great idea. He's like, oh, we can change things.

So again, they did another film by the way that I've seen the summer that has shades up back to the future. Of course, in back to the future, Bifhtana, once he gets to sports, Almanac, goes back, bets on everything, and has an alternate night to the five. Now this story, you can see where it's going. Okay, Ken is going to take the ideas he's learned and try to change the world he's lived in. Eventually Barbie finds America Ferrara. I remember her from Ugly Betty I think was the show. Her and her daughter okay she's like oh my god I love Barbies at Kibblebah and she goes and meets

Will Ferrell showing up in a cameo. Another SNL colleague obviously along with Kate McKinney. So it's good to show Will Ferrell showing up in a cameo. Another SNL colleague, obviously, along with Kate McKinnon. So it's good to show. Well, for all showing up, easy paycheck. I'm going to play the head of Mattel, evil, domineering, white man, try to run things, and he sees Barbies. I go, we got Barbies in the loose, going to find Barbie. We're going to capture her, etc. Barbie figures it out. Margot Robbie takes it off. Get a little bit of chase sequence. America Ferret takes her, saves her. We got to go back to Barbie Land. I'm going to show you Barbie Land. So my guy, my Barbie is in went, this is where it gets in the back, the future alternate universe. They go back and now the Barbie land has changed.

If Ken's are now ruling the world, Gossam has gone back, tonne everybody know it, Ken's are in charge. All of a sudden at the beach, it's not just Barbie sunbathing, it's Barbie being bikinis and waitresses and serving all the men. And the boys are playing beach ball. I'm like, yeah, yeah, they go, I love this world. The girls that I love this, I'm just serving men. It's just so great. volleyball. Yeah, yeah, look at them. They go, I love this world. The girls that I love this, I'm just serving men. This is so great. So, you know, Ken is obviously screwed up. You know, I'm probably like, I can't believe this.

Now, you're living in my manchee's. I'm a man. I run things. I run the world. It's patriarchy. I have a horse. Here's how we're doing things. Like you treated me like crap for all those years.

I'd be subsurbing to you. Now, see how you like it. I have a horse. Yeah. So, again, I think if you're just enjoying the movie on its surface, I think it's clever and it's funny. And it's not just silly, I would say it's making points about society.

But then I found that second half you started to get a little bit preachy and I wouldn't use the word political, although I'll get into that in a second. I would find it a little bit ham-handed. Like I never liked movies in which they're telling me what's happening. I rather the characters demonstrate what's happening

rather than you telling me, hey, women are now going to rule the world. We're going to take back things. I'm a feminist icon, etc. I'd rather you just be the feminist icon rather than explain to me what is about to happen. I think that's the mistake that Barbie starts to make. I'll mention the political thing. I saw right away apparently conservatives are losing their minds. It's the biggest talking point I'd say. Is that right? biggest talking point. I'd say is the right. You're right. I think that is the biggest time. Well, coming out of it, it's like, oh my god, I heard Sean Hannity is like saying it's

too woke and man hating and I'm like, well, listen, if you're seeing a movie called Barbie, let me guess who the villain's going to be. It's not going to be a woman. It's not going to be Barbie. Let me guess who the villain's going to be. Probably going to be guys. Probably going to be Ken and a bunch of these Ken's. And that's where again, I think the movie is still amusing, but but to me it just felt like I said heavy handed a little bit preach

then you get Ben Shapiro not happy. Yeah I could see that I'm like this definitely I mean I may turn on Fox News for the first time in a while just to see what these guys are saying about Barbie because they're probably just losing their minds. I got I don't want to spoil anything beyond that but the Barbies figure out a Okay, how can we take back the world? Girls run the world. Let's get back from the Kens. And then the movie just gets kind of weird, which I appreciate Greta Gerwig,

independent film director. She is making a movie for a mass audience, but let's just get weird. And you've got a couple of pretty funny musical sequences. You've got one crazy fight with the Kens. And again, it's working on parallels for society. How does society in this example turn women against each other? Well, as they say in the movie, they use women and their insecurities and turn them against

each other. In this case, the Kins are prying on their own insecurities and turning against each other. So within the context of a movie, I suppose it works in finding Barbie a way to go back to Barbie land, but I could see how white men perhaps watching the movie are being sensitive is going, it's not our fault, we don't run the world. But I think America Ferreira has a really great model on which I just enjoyed. Again, I don't care if you're a man or a woman what your beliefs are, I think it's really well delivered in which she talks about the challenges of being a woman in the world.

And it's fantastic. She says, you know, you're supposed to be a mother, but you can't talk with your kids too much. You're supposed to be strong at work, but not to a firm or people think that you're domineering. You have to be a good friend, but also be supportive of others. And it's an excellent speech. I was really well written out. That was one of the best speeches in the movie. Gratigore by the way, co-wrote the script a lot. We know a bomb backer husband who did married story. And I thought that was a really good example of showing what the troubles are being a woman. Even that one sequence I mentioned of Gosling, when the

guy says to me, I thought, men don't want the world. He's like, well, they do, but we just need to be a little more quiet about it now. Like, it's funny. Like, you can say that doors have opened for women, or doors have opened for minorities, but you have, of course,

white men still have a leg up in the world as they have for many years. But, I guess I got a little weird towards the end, but it took a few chances. Ultimately as a movie, I'm giving it two and a half maple leaves. And that's what's saying that, again, I'm clearly not the target audience. I think people love the movie. Cinema score, which ranks what

audiences think got an A. So people are seeing Barbie are loving Barbie, which means it's going to get a lot of repeat business, which means get ready for another $150 million next weekend, which means get ready for Barbie to, you know, that's going to happen a couple years because this kind of might that's who's making is gigantic. But I could definitely see it being polarizing. And again, for a guy like Chris Cody, most importantly, I can't imagine Cody enjoying Barbie. I would not recommend him to run it since movie. Watch it streaming with your daughter at some point. Your wife will enjoy it. If you want to be a good mom. Okay, for kids, my wife, my wife is going to see it with

friends and my daughter wants to see it and my wife is doing the old, I'll let you know after I see it. Kind of. Yeah, I think she's a little young right now. I mean, it's PG 13. I mean, there's no nudity. It's probably a little bit of double entendres. She probably, I mean, your daughter's probably pretty bright. She may not get the double entendres. She's probably not.

No violence. Like, there's no violence at all. No, it's not really. No, it's probably fine. It's just, I mean, dialogue is the only thing that's probably too confusing. There's a line or two, a couple of jokes, and she's not going to know, say that stuff. But listen, as a wife, your wife liked it.

She did. She thought she enjoyed it. She had a similar approach to me. She asked me a really good point, because I said she could just kind of like grease it one point with the musicals. I'm like, yep, and she goes, there's kind of the Truman show one point, because Barbie wants to escape her world and go into the real world. I'm like, that is a great call, honey.

I would use that instead of fire. I didn't even think of that. Truman show. But he didn't even use it. No, he can use it. Go ahead and use it. Jim Kerri, the best. So she enjoyed it. The girls enjoyed it. Although I said to the other guys, I'm like, man of that. Trumashtank. But he didn't even use it. No, he can use it. Go ahead, use it. Yeah, Jim Curie the best. So she enjoyed it.

The girls enjoyed it. Although I said to the other guys, I'm like, man, we got to go see like a Schwarzenegger movie now. Like that was two hours and we're all paying to like, yeah, we need to go watch Face Off for like, you know, Mad Max. Just go watch something bloody and file it right now. But I like the idea of like the, the, the Gosling characters, like, I have a horse. What do you mean?

I'm a man. Like, it's a funny, like, yeah, there's definitely some moments that are clever, new, new, and enjoyable. Like I said, I appreciate any movie that's different in production design. And here's the big thing too. I love the fact it made so much movie because it's a rare time that I can non-superher movie and originally made that much money. Now, I know it's IP intellectual property. It's obviously based on a doll, even built in audience.

But the point is, there was no previous Barbie. This isn't based on an adaptation of a book. It was an original idea that Greta Gerber could sit down and go, okay, what are we doing with Barbie here? And the story behind it, Margot Robbie wanted to do it because she looks like Barbie, but she was like, I want somebody who's smart and different. I'm not just going to make a movie, which is a commercial for a toy. This isn't like go buy Barbies. This is like we're going to do something. And there's some funny cameos, our man Michael Sarah, who's coming on a cinephile next month. He shows up playing a character I believe was discontinued. He was like Ken's ambiguously gay friend. He shows up and gets

at least a half a dozen funny lines. There's one like there's a pregnant Barbie, which I think was discontinued. So like they're taking a few jabs at Mattel as well. Like they're like, yeah, this is some of the stuff that they did along the years because I'm sure not every woman likes Barbies. Like you can argue, it's feminist icon, but there's also people that say, no, Barbies horrible. She teaches little girls that they have to have, you know, voluptuous figures and thin waste and look a certain way. They all over the years tried to say, well, no, there's different Barbies, different incarnations.

But yeah, I think it's also wrong to say every woman thinks Barbies awesome. No, I think there's definitely women who do not like Barbies what Barbie stands for, this movie is trying to cater to all of that. And again, like Margot Robbie said previously, this movie's either, it's going to be for people love Barbie and hate Barbie. And I was like, eh, it's one of the people who love Barbie. I think if you hate Barbie, you're probably going to hate this movie. It's not. That's two and a half May police. Valerie complex deadline Hollywood daily.

Barbie recognizes its own surreal existence. A world where perfect plastic figures wrestle with humanistic imperfections. Ray for Goosemont of Newsday, Barbie herself never quite emerges as a flesh and blood character. That may be the movie's fatal flaw. I agree with that. She still seems like Margot Robbie, Christine Princess, not like a true character. Emily Zemler of Observer, somehow director Greta Gerwig has struck a balance between

unhinged whimsy, deep humanity, and comedic bliss. That's success. And Christy Puchko of Mashable, I've seen a movie that has more depth than you might expect, and demands to be seen on the big screen to take in every ounce of all the incredible craftsmanship in front of and behind the camera. I do like seeing movies in the big screen. I would agree Barbie's lots of, again, production design, excellent details. I have to follow up first also that I forgot to ask you about this outing. So you're with a couple couple a few couples you buy all the tickets. Yeah.

Is this a situation where all the tickets are printed out for you or is this a scan code situation printed out? I bought them before and then I'd hand that to each and I could have her to take it. That's how are you the type of guy that I'm standing at the with the person with all eight tickets? Are you in the parking lot right before? Let me hand out individually. Here's each of your tickets. I walked in with all six tickets and are you in the parking lot right before, let me hand out individually, here's each of your tickets.

I walked in with all six tickets, and then I just handed it to the guy, and this is for all of us. Yeah, I love that move. I'm like that too. I don't trust anybody else. I'll handle all the tickets, like do that at sporting events.

I got it all, follow me guys, walk up to the front, I got eight of us. I'm not a big person. I don't like the big, like out, here you go. Like here's yours, here's yours, I got it. It's a little look at me, Louis, when he's starting to get to each guy, like, oh, I pay to the ticket. I pay for your ticket. I'm Santa Claus here. Here he goes. Who needs a ticket? You need one. You need one. This is the time of gift giving. All right. Now we get to the

main attraction here. That was the undercard. Let me get to Oppenheimer. So I get to the theater right at 630. Lems that are waiting. Haven't seen him in four years. Michael, let's go. I'm like, I'm gonna eat dinner. I've been on the set all day. Let's go. Chicken tenders, nine bucks. Highlight of the entire weekend. As I'm waiting in line, guy looks over, he goes, I didn't know, I mean, he's a huge fan of Santa Files. I'm like, let's go. I'm like, I'm gonna hear about it. See, I'm gonna hear about it. See, Oppa and I are, I'm like, dude, this is amazing. I'm like, I should have got his name. I would have shared it in my mouth, but I'm like, awesome. Thank you for supporting the bud. I'm gonna get some chicken tenders,

some starvets. Got the tenders, we're locked in, seat F1. And he got a couple trailers. Killers the Flower Moon. Can't wait. Squarespace. I was working at Joel comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with

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the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison with the one that I'm gonna make a comparison I go, sure. He says, I saw trailer for the new Scorsese movie. I'm like, yeah, he's like, looks terrible. I go, that's the dumbest thing I ever have ever met. And Moses are producing, and they go,

dude, you can't say that to Adnan's like in the bag. I go, that's a ridiculous statement, whatever. I was really happy to the trailer, the trailer's awesome. But also, a good point he made was that when you see a certain movie, you're expecting trailers for certain type. Meaning, if you're seeing Oppenheimer, that's like a really movie savvy crowd. I'm not expecting a trailer for like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The trailers for Killers type. Meaning, if you're seeing Oppenheimer, that's like a really movie savvy crowd. I'm not expecting a trailer for like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

The trailers for Killer's The Flower Moon, which again, that audience is going to see. If you're seeing Oppenheimer, you're probably going to see Marty's latest, Leo, De Niro, et cetera. But there's also the trailer for the Exorcist, which I was like, I'm kind of surprised at the trailer in here. But I'm just happy that there were trailers because it takes a few minutes for the tenders. My biggest fear was I'm going to walk into this movie. It's in 630.

And somebody said to me, there may not be trailers. I'm like, what? He's like, dude, I minutes for the tenders. My biggest fear was I'm gonna walk into this movie. It's in 630. And somebody has said to me, there may not be trailers. I'm like, what? He's like, dude, I heard for a while, but I'm like, no one made it like a mandate. Like no, no trailers. Start the movie on time, but that's not gonna happen.

AMC will still push back. Thankfully, I was right. 630 movie. We were in at 638. Movie started at 651. Nicole came in, great to be back in theaters. Okay, let's go, three hours. Now, it's gonna be an event.

So thank God, phone is off, I'm locked in. And one thing about Christopher Nolan's movies are, it's an immersive visual experience, but he's not gonna make it easy on you. He is not gonna tell a conventional story. So I heard he's making a movie with Oppenheimer, three hour biography. I knew this is not gonna be a beginning, middle and end.

He's gonna tell his story at his own pace, in his own Nolan-esque style. He is not a fan of linear storytelling. Okay, momentum will always be my favorite Chris for an old movie. I just think it's so impactful. It was so smart. It was so inventive when I saw it in my life. I loved it. Everything about that movie. He's not going to tell a traditional story. He's not going to go beginning middle and end. So, Oppenair begins right away. Oh my god. What are we doing? It's in black and white. And Robert and he, Jr. looks like he's in a court setting. Not really sure what's begins right away. Oh my god, what are we doing? It's in black and white. And Robert and the junior looks like he's in a court setting.

Not really sure what's happening right now. Somebody's on trial. Is he on trial? I'm not really sure. Okay, now we see Oppenheimer, Killian Murphy, haunted looking. Just apparently ate nothing but almonds for like a month straight off the double check that.

Someone told me that I got going to look this story up. They go, remember the machine is Christian Bale. I'm like, okay, it was like 130 pounds. They go, probably Killian Murphy is like, I'm going to be skinny as hell. The real Oppenheimer, which Rags did send me a podcast because you should listen to this. I go, no, I don't know anything. It's good background. I go, let was like 130 pounds. They go, probably killing Murphy is like, I'm gonna be skinny as hell. The real Oppenheimer, which Rags did send me a podcast, because you should listen to this, I go, no, I don't want to know anything,

it's good background, I'll listen to it afterwards. I listened to 15 minutes of it as I was going to the movie theater. It did say he was incredibly skinny. So, killing Murphy was like, all right, chain smoking, and I'm gonna be super skinny. High cheekbones, gaunt face, sunken eyes, I'm like, all right. This guy's been through some things.

Again, he's apparently on trial. There's a tribunal He's in a non-traditional court setting Jason Clark. I always love his greatest Jerry West in winning time Which is on HBO coming back soon season two Jason Clark is a prosecutor. He's asking questions But again, this is not a courtroom setting. This is like a very small room There's like three people including Tony Golden speaking of character actors Jason Clark is the attorney and they're asking Opp I'm her questions and they're asking other people questions. So is it the court case? Is it interviews as an interrogation? Not really sure. Let me go back to the beginning.

Okay. Now here is Oppenheimer. It seems like as a young man growing up, kind of nerdy, definitely very smart, but clearly not somebody who's got a lot going for him as far as anything with the ladies, which brings us to Florence Pugh showing up for all the people mentioning what a great cast this is and it is an amazing cast. Thankless role for Florence Pugh. Wonderful actress. She shows up first scene, they start flaring at topless.

I'm like, well, kind of surprising, as Noel is really featured any nudity at all. Later on, there's a scene he's completely naked, covering his private area. She is naked as well. They're having a conversation. She's covering her bottom area to be clear. But again, topless, carrying on like a two-minute conversation, I'm like, okay, she is naked as well. They're having a conversation. She's covering her bottom area to be clear. But again, topless carrying on like a two-minute conversation, like,

okay, this is definitely gratuitous nudity from Christopher Nolan. He must have been like, all right, Oppenheimer, three hours atomic bomb, I'm getting Florence Pew, we're getting her naked for a couple of scenes. For such a great director, it was definitely odd, which then gets to probably the biggest weakness of the movie is when Oppenheimer again is being interrogated and his wife is now Emily Blunt and they have a sequence where he's now completely naked and Florida's pew is naked on top of him and he's talking about his affair and I'm like, okay, this should have been edited, like this just looks preposterous, he's in a room with a bunch

of clothed men and his wife and he's naked and his wife is on top, like his girlfriend, excuse me, the time is on top and I go, this is ridiculous scene. Having said that, most of the cast does get rules that equits them well, but I did feel for Florence Pugh. I feel like that was a bait and switch. She's like, oh my God, I'm in a Christopher Nolan. We want to make it to do.

I'm gonna be naked and just hop on Kaleigh Murphy. Okay, not quit. Back the non-linear narrative, the tribunal involving Oppenheimer. We now see, it's not only him, others are also being investigated. Who's being investigated? Matt Damon. What's Matt Damon's character all about

Apparently he's a military man. Okay, interesting. What's he got to say about Oppenheimer and now as the story becomes again Antithetical to what you're expecting you start to get a sense of what's going on He shoots between black and white and color which he's done before he did that on memento and in that movie You know the color sequences were all set in reverse order. The black and white was in chronological order. This time what he's doing is in color, it's all from Oppenheimer's point of view, Killian Murphy. The black and white sequences are from an objective point of view, third person narration. So that's why we're seeing Downey in those court cases and other people speaking about Oppenheimer, it's done from

a more objective perspective. And then we get to, I've been an hour into the movie, we get to really the story gets the really narrative thrust. At this point, all we know is he's clearly a bit of a woman izer, very smart guy, brilliant scientists working in physics, etc. And now he gets an offer he can't refuse. Matt Damon shows up as Leslie Groves. Damon playing a very bluff and blunt character has said he was looking to retire from acting for a little bit. Take a break and then Nolan should up because he want to make this movie. He's like, all right, I'm doing it.

And that scene is terrific because essentially he tells the Oppenheimer, hey, all your scientists are arrogant, egotistical. I don't have time for any of you guys. When we get a problem here, we're at war with the Nazis and the Nazis are going to build the atomic bomb unless we beat them to it. And you're the man for the job. You're smart enough. And I don't take it like you. Everyone says you're real pain. They ask, but you're brilliant. So I want you to get you and your team of scientists and we're racing against the clock right now.

There's nothing more than the sake of humanity here at stake. We're going to build the bomb before the Nazis do period. And you're the guy to do it. Even though I can tell you're just an anti-social creepy looking dude who's the rules for it. Go get your people. Okay, I'm going to need to build something. What are you going to do? He's going to build a little place in Los Alamos, New Mexico.

I've said it before, I'm going to podcast. It's still going to get to Santa Fe one day. The sun's going to blow your mind. Especially in IMAX, by the way, which in case you're wondering how I saw the format, I did see an IMAX $24 of the ticket. Of course, I played for Lem's maxed $24 of the ticket of course I played for Lem's ticket as well and I bought a shooter mince and I might want to check in to others So we're there watching the movie and I'm like new Mexico looks fantastic. Oh my god. I'm all out of this

And he goes through and builds up his own town shades of asteroid city We're westators and built his own town here. He's building a town all the scientists He goes in to bring their families wives children were gonna work on these atomic bomb. We're racing around the clock Now the movie starts to take off I mean now you're just you're in it like oh my god what's going to happen next what's going to happen next these guys are just grinding it out again race against the clock the Nazis this is the free world here at large and again he's still cutting back and forth something happens in the future what happens to happen I'm not sure is he is he on trial he's clearly

being investigates clearly being interrogated but what for what exactly do at this point he seems heroic he's trying to investigated, he's clearly being interrogated, but what for? What exactly do you do at this point? He seems heroic. He's trying to help America. He's trying to help society at large. And this is where Nolan, again, is such a showman, he stood to build up and ante up the stakes. And when he's got that narrative propulsion,

it's tough to top him as a director. And you get to the scene where, all right, we're gonna build the atomic bomb. And you can, it's about as gripping as any moment in a movie theater. You're just sitting there, white knuckles in the whole time. You see atomic bomb. And you can, it's about as gripping as any moment in a movie theater. You're just sitting there whitenuckling the whole time. You see the countdown. 10, 9, 8, everyone's just watching, right?

Soldiers are down. It got special eyewear, Oppo-Hammers watching. And he doesn't come across as someone who's bloodthirsty. You know, he doesn't feel like the atomic bomb is something that we need to kill people and eradicate those damn Nazis. The feeling is more one of curiosity. I think he's just incredibly ambitious. I think he's somebody who's very smart and who's very gifted to see what is at

is disposal and wants to just use his power to see what he can possibly do. Somebody who is innately curious but also has the tools, like I said, at their disposal to carry out their ambitions. Nolan makes the very smart move for a movie that's got so much sound, again, you're watching an iMacs, that's when he pulls away. And it's a really smart move that you're seeing the bomb erupt in the flames or the squall. But he removes the sound, a skillful move. It's been done a few times by obviously very smart directors.

Coppola, very famous, they got father three. The seamer, Sophia Coppola, murdered his daughter and Pacino lets up this primal scream Coppola takes out the sound. So you just see Pacino. You know, scream for 10 seconds. Then you're a cop like murder his daughter and Puccino lets up this primal scream copo it takes out the sound. So you just see it Puccino, you know, scream for 10 seconds, then you're bringing the sound. So similarly with Oppenheimer I'm like, all right, Nolan was smart. Rather than give you like, how can I possibly replicate the sound of an atomic bomb or remove the sound? And it's just you see the images of people watching at Damon, Kelly Murphy, et cetera.

It's just it's a remind me and this is the highest kind of I can play, that great scene in the movie blood. The first time that Daniel Plainview gets the oil, and he's like, oh my God, there's an ocean of oil underneath our feet. And the score is just incredible. Just pounding the entire time. I think the score might be the entire movie.

It's very rare, especially in those courtroom sequences. You know, normally you wouldn't have that, but the score is just always on the edge, just punching in the face. At times, it may be it's a little bit too much, but it's there. Hoyt Van Hoytema, of course, is long-term cinematographer. Again, there's an incredible job.

And now you see what's out there disposal. And Damon's given him the out of boy like, all right, buddy, we got it. We got the atomic bomb. Let's go to war. And from there, you see what happens. The third act is where things are then going to get interesting.

And again, the only thing I heard is people say, listen, the first two acts are outstanding. The third act is slowed down a little bit. It does slow down a little bit, but I didn't think it was a weakness of the movie. I think it's tough. First of all, the top of the atomic bomb. How the hell are you going to top that? I can do it.

We just built it a atomic bomb. What else you got for me? But I thought when he did it smart, he then kind of brings you up to date. Why was I going back and forth? What is this really all about? What's the story that I'm trying to tell you? And then you get Robert and Adjun junior's character really coming into full focus. Again, David is playing Leslie Groves who is the military man. Jason Clarke is Roger Robb,

the defense attorney, the prosecutor of the prosecuting attorney. Kenneth Brano, by the way, shows up a couple scenes. Hey, he plays Neal's Boer, but down he's character is interesting. Louis Strauss. So who is Strauss? Strauss was the one who was trying to requisition Oppenheimer to work for him. And he's very upset because he thought that Oppenheimer would work for me. Didn't. And Oppenheimer has this interesting relationship with Albert Einstein. Yes, Albert Einstein, he's in the movie, which I wasn't sure he'd be there, but there is Albert Einstein played very well in the movie.

And he's got this old relationship with Oppenheimer as well. And it's great blur by Red this morning. I didn't want to read any reviews before I read today. Matt Zahler's size, who's a great critic, former guest on son of a fall. He co-wrote the book on the sopranos He said and this is specifically for our audience as you know I recently reviewed on the day. It's which I had never seen and he said Strasse's character is like Sally Erie F. Marie Abraham's character to Oppenheimer's Mozart like yes Great reference that he makes congrats to Matt, because Strauss is the one

who's got this jealousy and this vindictiveness against Oppenheimer. Why exactly? The movie makes that clear. He also feels his pulling his camera, so the movie ends on that note as they kind of wrap up the fact that what is Oppenheimer being investigated for? What is the tribunal involving Downey? And you've got just a slew of great actors showing up just for the chance to work with Christopher Nolan. Like it's remarkable. Think you've got just a slew of great actors showing up just for the chance to work with Christopher Nolan. Like it's remarkable. Think you've got Romney Mollock who's a best actor winner. Again, I found behavior rap scene highly overrated, but he did what an Oscar. He shows up for one scene. Casey Affleck who went and asked her for a great movie. Manchester by the sea. He shows up for one scene and then playing Harry S. Truman. An op-iron goes to see the US president is Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman showing up for one scene as

Truman. And as my buddy Lem said to me, he's, how many people have played Churchill and Harry Truman on Gary Oldman? Unbelievable. Drowning under a sea of latex, and he gives, you know, a really kind of chilling cameo there as well. Ultimately, it's a really immersive movie. Joel had said to me because I think it's kind of like a beautiful mind cross with JFK. I don't know if I see the beautiful mind, but it's not about mental illness. Yes, it's about a very smart guy, but definitely shades of JFK, which is a huge compliment. I mean, that's a brilliant movie by Oliver Stone. And this movie definitely feels like it's inspired by this early 90s Oliver Stone movies,

which are about the investigative process, trying to learn the truth, trying to uncover more. But ultimately, it's a great film. And it's one of the best films of the year, and it's something that only Christopher Nolan could make. It's a movie, which is, again, a character study, it's very immersive, but it's also about American history. And again, I'm not gonna spoil the ending

and what happens with the tribunal of the interrogation. You can go look that up and see what happened to the real Oppenheimer. But what's amazing about that movie is, when the final credits rule, you've learned not only about this character, you've learned about this really unique time in American history, but you've seen why it has parallels to today and why did he even want to make this movie in the first place?

No one in himself credits Robert Pattinson, who has unbelievable hair, when they made tenet together at the Tenet Wrap Party, Pattinson up to him, goes, here's a book for you. It's all the speeches of Robert Oppenheimer from the 1950s, and he goes, you'll really enjoy this and sure enough, Christopher Longas, dude, I'm making a wee bit of an Oppenheimer. So Patents was one who inspired him because once you see the movie, you see why with the themes of weapons of mass destruction, nuclear warfare. And again, once, I mean, we all know what happened here, Ashima and Nagasaki and the horrorful, they estimate up to 200,000 people lost their lives here. And what kind of told us that take an oppinion of himself? Are you a hero because you were being asked

by your government to develop a weapon to take down the Nazis? Or are you in fact a villain? Because you created this horrible contraption which murdered hundreds of thousands of people, genocide, and has now ramped up nuclear warfare, hydrogen bombs, et cetera. It's a fascinating conversation you can have an opera I've clearly had in his own head, and that's where the movie is very subjective,

in terms of the way he's seeing things again, very all of her stone like, in terms of him seeing things, and he's kind of witnessing the destruction happen to Americans, he's having these kind of flashments and what's happening. It's really skillfully done. Ultimately, it's a great movie, and the highest comp I could pay is this.

Some of Nolan's movies, as greater directors, he is like 10 and I don't think work very well. And I don't like it when we were someone goes, we have to see at least twice. Why can't you make a movie once? Like when I watch planes, trains, and automobiles, me and Cody and Cody's parents, we all have at once. The second time I watch it, I'll like it even more. But I should be able to watch the would be once and enjoy. I don't like it anymore. I see them when they go, well, you really have to see it twice. Well, how

about the filmmaker makes it easy enough for me to understand. And that's my criticism of Nolan. Sometimes he's too smart for his own good. Like, you can make something that's so smart, so cerebral, but if it's not accessible, if a mainstream audience can't get it one sitting, then that's on you. That's not on me. Here's the gift of Oppenheimer. You watch it. You understand it. You appreciate it, but you can't wait to watch it again because it's so densely plotted. It's so intricate. The dialogue like, now I have to go read up on Oppenheimer. I have to listen to podcasts. I have to find out more and then go back and say, okay, now I know who that character is. Now I know that person is. I understand

what that person's motivations were. That could be accurate. That isn't. It's an incredible achievement. And it really is a remarkimovian. And I recommend everyone to go see in theaters. I'm giving it four maple leaves. Some more blurbs for you. Ty Burr Nolan has set up to make a moral epic. He succeeds for the most part. A rally for the first two thirds of Oppenheimer, which contains from the finest, most galvanizing movie making of his career. That's my man, Ty Burr. James Bartonelli, a real views despite being overlong and unevenly paced, Oppenheimer contains moments of greatness and features one that was compelling lead performances

by killing Murphy and recent memory. There's no question. He's going to be an nominee for Best Actor and I would think he's the favorite right now to invest actor, but I hope it's going to be Leo for Killers of the Flower Moon. What I can say for sure is that Oppenheimer far too often feels like a three hour Wikipedia entry

than a compelling movie. Odie Henderson, a Boston Globe, a rare dissenting opinion. In case you're running with the critics, overall, say 89% for Barbie, 94% for Oppenheimer, which is one of the best reviewed movies of his career. It's an incredible movie. It's about potentially terrible people, but it's also very important people as well. It depends on the lens, which you witness them them you'll have to come to your own conclusions Cody, is there any chance you're gonna go see Oppenheimer? I'm in you have me intrigued with both of these. I was definitely gonna see Oppenheimer

Barbie because my wife's got a date night with girls playing that so I'm like trying to figure out a setting where I would go Because if I'm not going with my wife, I'm not sure I'm gonna just gonna go out and see that by myself I'll probably see Barbie when it's on demand Eventually, but Oppenheimer, I wanna go see. But really all I was thinking, that entire Oppenheimer review is, are you the type that offers Joel, one of your tenders and fries,

or is it just like, I bought these for me, you have your candy, I'm not offering you anything. Right, right, so for lunch, I'm trying to the 12 and eight intermittent fasting, so I didn't lunch at noon, I haven't noon, it wasn't a very big meal. I think I'd left a repeat set, a couple of pizza pizza, and then I had lunch and when I have it noon It wasn't a very big meal. I think we had left over pizza

I had a couple of pizza pizza and then I had some water. I love water I get you water. I love it went to work. So I got there 630 Joel Sherman I was in studio with lamb was my buddy. I watched the movie my bad my bad, so okay So to lamb I bought the tenders and I said you want to think as I want candy junior mince I got it that's yours. I did off from the tenders I walked in and I was I hadn't eaten in five hours. I turned a tenor. He was on fun Was it the offer like would you have been disappointed if he took it? No, no, it was four tenors. They look pretty big. So I was like if you all went go for it He was a confine. I'm a crime. Yeah, he didn't even pick a fry

I didn't make any fries it was four tenors. That's it. Oh, okay. Sorry Yeah, that's that's blasphemous. You gotta just you gotta have fries with your ten days. Yeah I mean it is not that the fries that a movie theater would be good But no, that's also true, but you're right. I mean three hour movie the other thing too is I kept thinking I should get some water But he was smart smart lemon's like no, do you kidding? I'm like with our bladders, but that's true He can't drink anything a three hour movie and I saw a couple people going to the bathroom You could miss the the criticalness movie that I mean that would be the biggest thing if I was you I would say three hours like is it long and I'm like it's long

But I didn't feel it was unevenly paced. I actually thought it was well paced. Again, that score helps. It wasn't like long speeches. It's a very talky movie, but that music is pounding at you. And I'm like, I'm actually, I mean, I thought it was an immersive experience. And again, many people have cheated twice already.

I don't have the time to go see a twice in movies to be honest. I'll probably wait till I see it on streaming again. Because they can kind of go through it a little more, I read more about it, but I honestly, to, it was a hell of a movie. Four May beliefs for Oppenheimer, clearly one of the best pictures of the year and a very rewarding experience, Barbie, two and a half May beliefs. Those are our two new movies, no old movies, let's get to the Golden in one of the greatest boxers ever. His name is Oscar Del LaHoya and there's new documentary.

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Oscar's great to see him. And how you doing? Thank you. I'm doing great. It's good to be here. So I'm watching the dog, and I said, you know, it's such an amazing story, especially out of the gate. And you're going up in East LA,

as you see, you're running up five in the morning, and it's crazy to think about. Again, I can't understand unless you're there. Like, there's still gangs who are still up, there's still people partying, and there you're running up five in the morning and it's crazy to think about. Again, I can't understand unless you're there. Like, there's still gangs who are still up, there's still people parting and there you are running and you just got no choice. You're not as big as the door like, hey, we're gonna run, we're gonna do this.

So you already as a kid had this toughness about you in that focus. And then, you know, there's a great story you tell about being classed, you know, my goal one day is to be Olympic champion. And it's one thing for the class to laugh, but the teacher laughs as well. And like that memory is stuck in your memory. And maybe think childhood memories can really have

an impact on you. What was that like being a moment like that where you're vulnerable saying, I'm going to be a boxing champion, gold medal winner, and the teachers to one laugh and at you? Yeah, remember that. It was like it was yesterday. I was what, six, seven, eight years old. It's literally shattering your dreams. You feel like your world is, it's gonna crumble right in front of your eyes. At that age, what do you do? I mean, the only thing to do is maybe go to your parents and tell them about it, but in my era, we couldn't do that. I couldn't do that.

I didn't have really that relationship with my parents, with my mom, with my father. My father was always working. And anytime I would see him, it was because of the boxing gym. He would take me to the boxing gym, and that was our relationship. But the boxing was outlet.

The boxing was my escape, my outlet, my everything that happened in my life, whether it was tragic or good. Boxing inside the ring was my escape. I loved getting in the ring and just disappearing from the world, basically. Your mother's death obviously had a huge impact on you. I'm lucky enough my parents are still around. I can't imagine how hard that must be, especially on a kid.

There's a great interview with Jay Leno, actually. actually has you on the tonight's show and he's like, he goes, you know, Oscar was genuine, he was sincere and his story was great because his mother is passing the fact he's still on the Olympic gold, that he goes, it gave him a genuine aspect of his personality and that he was vulnerable but also pretty tough. I know it's hard to talk about, but just, what was that experience like, you know, he had this, I don't make it too dramatic, but like a dying wish to your mother and you're able to fulfill. Yeah. Well, that's the beauty of this documentary is that it all happened so fast. I was only 18 years old and the media was already putting so much pressure on me. My mother had passed away and I had made the Olympic team,

so I remember somebody asking me, you know, you're doing this for your mother. This is your mom's dying wish. And I went with it. It was like, and it just caught fire and it blew up. And so now the media's convincing me that I'm doing it for my mother, that I'm, it's her dying wish.

And being a young shy kid from East LA, that, you know, with all this media tension, and it's like, I had to go with it. I couldn't, it's like, I was lying, but I couldn't lie. You know, it's crazy. And so, the whole story and the Olympics was Oscar doing it for his, you know, his dying mother's wish, winning the gold.

And so, this documentary just tells you the truth of what really happened. Yeah, the personal side of it is really fascinating, but as a boxer, I have set respect for your titles in 10 different grade classes. You had just an unbelievable blood. Do you have a favorite fighting years and you go back and go, man, I still can't believe when I was able to accomplish? Every single fight every single time I stepped inside the ring I just you know it's I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I was what I was doing. When I would step

inside the ring I would turn into this different person you know this person that had anger this person that that was so suppressed from from love from you know that hug from your mom, those encouraging words from your father, the ring to me was like a way for me to just let out all that frustration, all that anger. And so every single fight was very important. I mean, every single fight, I went up there thinking

that I had when, thinking that I must win, the pressure from the world. Yeah, I was pretty intense, but I wouldn't change one thing about it. My career, I'm blessed and I'm happy for it. It certainly was an incredible career, but of course, it comes to the downsides as again, the documentary. The biggest thing is, you're willing to show that ball of billy. You started out by saying, listen, I've hidden this side, okay?

Like I've kept it away from you, but I'm just, this is the moment that I just want to tell you the truth. What was it about now in your lifeless and you're still incredibly successful as a boxer, as a promoter, a friend, spam, et cetera? But what was it that you got? Man, I just want to tell my story now. I just want to clean this late now.

Well, look, I've been living in this world as the golden boy for, since 1992, you know, 30 plus years and it hasn't been easy. This is my life and this is my character and who I am and, you know, I'm very friendly with people and I get along with everybody and I try to make things right with anything that crosses my path, whatever it might be. But when you're wanting to tell the truth of how you feel inside, because everybody has their own perspectives, everybody has their own opinion of who you are.

And I go with it. And I put on that smile and life is great. But to tell the truth in this documentary of how I really feel and what really happened, it's just liberating for me. It's kind of like, it was a big old therapy session for me. It's like, wow, okay. This life that I lived, I mean, a lot of,

I must have been under depression maybe 10 times over. I must have, mental health. I must have been all screwed up in the head many times over, but thank have, you know, mental health. I must have been, you know, all screwed up in the head many times over. But thank God for the boxing ring. Thank God for that squared circle that literally saves my life. Because like I said, that was my escape. That's where I felt free and safe. It's funny, you mentioned that therapy angle because I was kind of thinking the same thing as you know, if a therapist was analyzing it, they'd say okay cocaine, alcohol, sex. You're using all of these because you're under as you

said depression, anxiety. And it's almost like now I feel like your career was now, maybe we'd have more awareness of mental health, you'd be able to navigate things a little bit better, you know what, I need some health issues, right? Whereas in that time, I'm not making any excuse for it, but I think it was hard for you because you didn't have these options and all the stuff is available to you. Nobody can appreciate how hard it is to be Oscar de la Hoia. People are giving you things left and right. That's tough to turn down. Well, you know, it was hard to talk about back then.

I mean, I was thinking about this the other day, if I were to say, well, you know, I don't feel good today because of mental health, Or I'm going to cancel a fight. I would be ridiculed back then. I would be, you know, laughed upon. I mean, I would, my career would be over. And so you had to hold it in. And so all that, it's, I was like a volcano. I mean, when I retired from boxing and I had more time on my hands because I didn't drink, I didn't do anything to drugs

or all that, I was an athlete, I was on it, that's why I was successful, but when I retired, it's like everything was just handed to me and the world opened up and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna rebound, I'm gonna do what I want to do now, what I think I should do now. What I think makes me happy. And yeah, you get into the bad stuff. You get into the women, the drugs, the alcohol, this, that. But the fact that I survived it for that many years and stay clean and be an athlete

on a world champion for all those years, it's pretty remarkable. I kind of have to pat myself on the back because I couldn't fold at any time with all the pressure. And this is what the story tells you. It just tells you the truth. And this is what I wanted to get across is the authenticity, the realness, the rawness of this documentary is like no other. Yeah, I think that's one of the other lessons of this too. And for yourself, it's kind of therapeutic to get this out

and kind of a clean slate. I think for people who are fans of yours to appreciate how great you were, but also for people out there struggling with addiction with problems. What would you say is advice you could give? I mean, I know there's one day at a time and try to find your things,

but what would you say? And I haven't been through it. What's the best way you can overcome it, whatever problems? Yeah, I mean, it's, and it's, it, it goes beyond like, you know, drinking and, and drugs and women and this and that, you know, relationships with your parents, with your family, with your kids. You know, the, the one thing I can really say is, you know,

going through all this experience is, is literally do not forget about yourself. You have to put yourself first. And what I did throughout my life and my career is that I put myself last. I put myself second. I always wanted to be the people pleaser. I always wanted to say yes. And yes, you can, it's like I had to be that nice person

because the media labeled me as the golden boy and he's nice and he doesn't, he never turns down an autograph on the picture and this and that. So I think the most important message I can give to anybody is, yeah, put yourself first. That's one for you. Again, the Golden Boy on HBO and the album for streaming as well. The Golden Boy is a great nickname because you are handsome you articulate your charming so it's totally fit but as you say the dog. It was very harmful in some ways to it did you do your breath the nickname now because someone sees you go say golden boy do you kinda win single. I wish they didn't come in that already just embrace it. It was part of my life. Look, everything happens for a reason, whether it's good or bad.

And obviously, I've ruled with the punches for many years. And now that I set myself free from all those lives, from all that manipulation, from all those tragic events, and what I went through. And again, thank God that I survived, because not many people survived. And so I'm just blessed. And you know, the Golden Boy will live on forever. I'm grateful for it. You know, I mean, although I do feel like a man now, you know,

it's, it's, it's a, it's a nickname that's gonna live forever and I'm pretty blessed. The Golden Boy becomes the Golden Man that we can check out the Golden Boy Doctor at HBO. Oh, seriously, I'm a big fan man and I becomes the Golden Man. We can check out the Golden Boy Doctor at HBO at Oscar. Seriously, I'm a big fan man, and I give you a lot of effort doing this, and I really appreciate the time. All the best. Appreciate you, man. Thank you.

All right, thanks for what's going to Oscar. Great guy, forever the Golden Boy. Check out that documentary on HBO and on Max. Thanks as always to Chris Cody, the entire team here at MetalArch, supporting CineFile. Next week, I'm watching, thank God, my sister-in-law hooked me up Paramount Plus, so you can watch Showtime. So I'm watching George and Tammy, my man Michael Shannon, Jessica Chastain. I'm getting my country music on six

episodes. It's nominated for the Emmy's Chastain's Upper Best Actress, Shannon's Upper Best Actor. So it's fantastic so far. I'll have my review next week, all six episodes. The Emmy Awards are coming up in September. Not that I want to be updating the actress strike every week, but someone did mention me, what could happen to the Emmy, so I'm like, well, quite frankly, they will not happen. So unless the strike gets up, I can't imagine actors wanting to go receive awards, which they feel are benefiting companies right now that they're at war with. So it's a giant mess. Let's hope they get this sorted out. Let's hope the actress strike and the writer's strike gets solved sooner rather later and for now, we'll just keep pumping out the content. I'll see you at the movies

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