The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Pablo Torre Could Have Saved The World (feat. David Samson & Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

A soccer team's falconer was fired for sharing photos of a penis implant. No, really. A soccer team's falconer was fired for sharing photos of a penis implant. Then, Stugotz delivers his Top 5 Athletes If They Were Vegetables. Plus, David Samson and Pablo Torre are here to discuss Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and corruption in modern politics. Is it any different now than it used to be? They also dive into how Pablo could have saved the world, the infinite scroll, and which movie describes each of their college experiences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, it's a falconeer. It's a falconer it's not a falcon ear right a falconer somebody who has was trying to a falcon yeah for posting photos of a penis implant and I thought it was Jessica who sent me that story I said okay Dan now let's get you back to the home but I it was was Samson was it you who sent me that story somebody yes okay somebody sent me that story two Somebody? Yes. Okay, somebody sent me that story. How'd you confuse the two of them? I get it. What?

We were starting the segment and I'm looking through my notes trying to figure out who it is that sent me the Falconer story. And there it is. David Samson sent me that story. I'm not familiar with the story. I love the headline. What's the story?

The story is there's a team that has a Falcon is a mascot and when you have a Falcon you have a Falcon or who's the guy who controls the Falcon and says come back to me and this guy got a penile implant because he wanted a button that he can press to control his erection and make sure they can have sex every wants to for however long he wants to and then he posted pictures of it on his social media account that's private, but somebody took a screenshot of it

and then posted it publicly and he got canned. Absolutely fired. And he's shocked that he got fired for this penile implant. You had Jess sending this to you. It's a pretty big story. I have too many notes. You want to just call the G-spot? Ha ha ha ha ha! It's a button.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean. She knows. Hard to find. Metaphorically, I guess. Dan, help me right now, because this is it. This may be the moment. This is it, huh? After all we've been through, this this is it. This may be the moment. This is it, huh? After all we've been through, this could be it.

Is that a Rosebud Motel next to you? Hey, Schitt's Creek, how about that? That's my Hanukkah gift for my kids. The first episode air 10 years ago yesterday, first episode of that show. Last time heat were relevant. Just a button. That's a nice gift.

That's a nice. We're going to need to cover for Dan now because he's gone. They were in the finals twice, Billy. So I'd like to talk about something. What? I'd like to talk about what it is to fire a player when you are reading a book on the sideline. And I'm sorry, Dan, you may not want to go there,

but AJ Brown's career with the Eagles is done. And I am so lit up about this subject because I don't understand why the coach is absolutely supporting his ability to be distracted like that on the sideline. And we're allowing a player to say, oh, this had nothing to do with the fact that me and Jalen Hurts don't like each other

and I had one catch. I think it's an outrage. David. Jessica, it's just a spot. It's just a book. Whoa. It's a button, David. What are we talking about again?

Do you know what it is, David? Let's put a button on that part of the conversation. I've spent a lifetime looking. What a ridiculous take, I must say, about A.J. Brown being done with the Eagles. I mean, last week you're cutting Mike Evans before he gets his bonus. This week it's A.J. Brown being covered reading a book. I love what you're doing here because you're taking takes

to places they've never gone before. But this is ludicrous. He won't be an Eagle. You cannot have someone on the sideline who is doing that. You cannot bring your pregame preparation onto the sideline. We just wouldn't allow it. He was bettering himself. He was reading to become better at his.

He's preparing for his next step. You're buying that. That in the middle of a game, he needs to read a passage in order to remind himself what inner excellence is. Give me a small break. The middle of a playoff game. I know. But why are you saying he's not going to be an eagle?

Because if he goes on during these playoffs to have massive games, they go on to the Super Bowl. He's going to be an eagle. I mean, he won't even be targeted next week. Really? Maybe again, one target, one cat. How does this work? So Jalen Erch drops back. A.J. Brown is wide open and he refuses to pass him the ball.

You've never heard of basketball players teammates not passing each other the ball. Of course. Yeah. Like each other freezing the guy out. Yes, but this is a playoff game where you don't have a ton of time to think about stuff, you know. Oh, I think you think about it very deeply and strongly. And I think that A.J. Brown is going to walk himself right out of the playbook. Here's the book that I'd like him to read next weekend. How about the playbook or the unemployment income book?

There's a whole book that we give you when we fire you, which is Cobra. It's how you can apply for unemployment. It's all the things you can do when you've been canned. That's the book I'd like to see A.J. Brown read. You're saying A.J. Brown shouldn't read that book. I'm saying if Jalen Hurts makes that read, he should get canned. Hey!

That's a good joke. No, it was a bad play on words. You don't have to tell me that. Dan's back, hey! I'm rattled. You should be. And I am objecting to his take. It is too strong, but you've seen him.

Look, David's a very competitive human being. David runs seven marathons on seven continents in seven days because he wants to win at all times. He's in the content game. He is a hustler. He has tou. He's in the content game. He is a hustler. He has toured the country in the content game. And he's pushing his takes further and further out. Because he's gotta keep up in the content game.

And the hot take is rewarded. All over the place, the take is rewarded. And David's pretty smart. And he's crafty. And so he's pushing his takes out into the extremes. And he's, and plenty of people in Philadelphia would agree with him that AJ Brown should be cut. He has served his purpose.

I don't know. No, not a person agrees on that. They just wanna win games. They don't give a shit. No, no, wait a minute. AJ Brown disgruntled one catch, you can get out of town. AJ Brown 12 catches for 160 yards will love you forever even if you're reading on the sidelines.

Like that, I'm not, I'm saying the same way they'll run syriana out of town to even after wins because they're expert what man the bills fan base is the best that there is in football because it donates charity but passion of fans in an angry fan base turns into a very ugly thing in the expectations in philadelphia are in an unreasonable place where syriana's an idiot and AJ Brown is as good as his last game Not the last one that he gave you 12 catches in the last one that he gave you one catch in and was reading a book

I mean the expectations in Philadelphia are where the expectations should be in Philadelphia based on that roster. They're a very good football team I don't care what their fans say or think their fans are a bunch of lunatics I'm serious, and they're not allowed to celebrate this thing. They're not allowed to celebrate AJ Brown because I'm certain on WIP, they're calling right now Mark Gargano and they're telling them right now, get rid of AJ Brown. They're with David Sampson and I'm telling you Philadelphia, you are not allowed to root for this team because six weeks ago, you

wanted to fire your coach and most of you, I think most of you do agree with David Sampson and that's ludicrous. You think A.J. Brown's not going to find a job if he's not on the Eagles? Very easily. He'll find a job, yes. Patriots variable. I have an update by the way on the guy that was fired in Italy. He was also suspended in 2021 while he was filmed performing a fascist salute at the

end of a match chanting the name used to praise former fascist Italian leader Benito Mussolini. Quote, I admire him so much, he added on Monday's radio interview. So it sounds like maybe he had a prior history of. Well, those are big time anti-Semites over there. And you don't want to generalize. But that team that he works for is

well known for their bad behavior, both fans everywhere in the organization, not a very inclusive place, but I guess being an anti-semite is fine, but a penile implant, that's the line that you can't cross. You know what? I've got to interrupt everything I'm doing because a sly grin just came across the face

of one Stu Gottz, and when he gets this sly grin, I'm showing people behind the curtain here, everything around here has to stop immediately, no matter the segue, no matter how awkward. On his face, glean in his eye, I can see that he has top five athletes if they were vegetables. I can see it, I can see it.

This is based on our conversation last segment where I called Jason Garrett, Jason Carrot. We don't have to give any explanation to anybody. I saw the gleam in your eye. Is it any OLI or just top five? We have some OLI, yeah. Mookie Beats. Cam Radish. Don Theriot Potato. Number Number five, Lou Broccoli. Number four, Russell Westbrook. Number three, Diana Zucchini. Number two, Kevin McHale. And number one, Dan, Jerome Lettuce.

That's as good as it gets. That might be the best. On the fly. Just don't do anymore. That's your best. Good night, everyone. Good job, Taylor. Saw it in his eye. Saw it in his eye.

It was gleaming. We have to stop everything we're doing whenever it is that we see this. Quintelder? We will get to Pablo, Pablo Torre in a second, but Samson, give me all of your thoughts on Deon Sanders to the Cowboys and the Jerry Jones job opening.

I can't believe we haven't talked about this yet. I just don't see what the benefit is to Jerry Jones. When Deion went to the Buffaloes, it added a bunch of NIL money. They got a bunch of extra revenue at the school level with season tickets, et cetera, and it put their program on the map. The Cowboys' valuation isn't gonna go up with Deion Sanders.

They need to win games, and they need to win games in January and February. And to even flirt with Deion Sanders is a very funny thing for Jerry Jones, the GM, trying desperately to get away from Mike McCarthy and all the losing. So trying to go opposite of what McCarthy is, because Deion's done nothing, really never been an NFL coach, obviously. And you could say that his success in Buffalo in Colorado was based on maybe his son and the Heisman Trophy winner. I think this is a flirtation that will not actually result in a contract

because there's just no ancillary benefit to Dion Sanders joining the Cowboys. Squash, Alan. Oh, my God. How did I leave that out? I am looking right now at an invitation. I'm going to switch gears here from athletes who remind you of vegetables, so nutrients of a different kind that nobody here is asking for or nobody wants. I'm going to ruin the show.

By looking here at an invitation from Monday night to a reception prior to the inaugural ball, celebrating the inauguration of Donald Trump, Vice President J.D. Vance, hosted by Tillman Fertitta and Mark Zuckerberg, and I wanna bring in Pablo Torre because of some of what's happening right now in America that people might want to be paying attention to as the power is being dispersed

among very, very wealthy people. It's playoff time, Dan. I understand, but just give me a brief moment to welcome in Pablo Torre and David Sampson and start with you, Sampson, on how would you present everything happening around Zuckerberg, around Musk as well, but around Zuckerberg particularly,

and how it relates to how we get information and where all the money seems to be aligning. It's pretty shocking that you wanna discuss this now because this has been going on for decades where there have been power brokers both outside the government who don't want to be in the government because they have more power not being the president or not being in the Senate. They have power pulling the strings. We've been dealing with this with sports where you have owners who have been very quiet about their support of

the right, except all that's changed is they're less quiet. And when you look at someone like Miriam Adelson, name you didn't mention, who took over the Mavericks from Mark Cuban, her husband was the number one far right, absolute what I would call. Let me let me talk about Sheldon Adelson for one second. He was such that his wife couldn't be approved as owner of the Mavericks, so they had to have the son-in-law as the control person. So the NBA could have plausible deniability

that they were kowtowing to people who have those views. Except in sports, they've always wanted people around them who have those views, because they're always interested in maximizing their valuations and their relationships with governments because they need the protections the government provides. What Donald Trump has allowed for is people to be more open. When you've got the Ricketts family, when Tom Ricketts was approved as owner, he was

approved to own the Cubs only knowing that it was a trust that his father was funding, but his father could have nothing to do with the operation of the Cubs. So baseball could say, oh, we're not far right, but it's horse hockey. Of course, Joe Ricketts has been involved. Todd Ricketts has been involved in the operation of the Cubs. We just lie to the fans in order for them to believe that we are woke, that we are far left, that we care so much, but they've never cared, ever. They just hide it less well these days. Pablo, you've reported on sports owners

as well as anybody over the last year. I urge everyone listening to this. Pablo Torre finds out as a journalistic enterprise that has an assortment of reporting you will not find anywhere else mariam adelson john fisher glenn taylor matt ishby of the sun's owner what you reported on him was crazy and no longer in the shadows uh... what are these people been hiding from public view that trump doesn't make them have to hide anymore well just the transaction alia all of it i mean david does sort of summer it is

it well there, but I just different sort of angle to it, which is that that invitation that you read, the Ricketts family, the Adelsons, okay obviously those are two sports owners. In Mark Zuckerberg now you have a guy who is also a sports figure. Dana White is on the board of Metta. I've been, look I went to college with Mark Zuckerberg. I've been watching him in both a morbidly curious. I mean, was I the 199th person in the world to join Facebook? Yeah, maybe.

Who's counting? Me, it used to be my URL, 199. But I say that because for 20 years, I watched a guy without any actual moral compass transact and scheme to become more and more powerful and more and more wealthy. Corruption is not created equal. Like, I think there's just a bunch of people out there who are like, but Hunter Biden, and I'm like, Hunter Biden, that was a terrible embarrassment for the Biden administration.

There are lots of things the left, broadly speaking, has done that does fall into the realm of corruption and is embarrassing. I'm just telling you that nothing is as, look at what we're doing, we're not even hiding it anymore, than invitations like that and just the pivot that someone like Mark Zuckerberg has taken. They're doing it, Dan, because it works.

This is an administration that is welcome to quit pro quo. Miriam Adelson, by the way, the Adelson family, aforementioned, we did an episode about them, the biggest donors to Donald Trump. In exchange, they get to dictate policy on Israel. Mark Zuckerberg, the reason he's doing this is because he knows that he can give money in exchange for political favors and protection.

It works, and that's why they're doing it. They're not stupid. They are just devious. Pablo, people have known that forever. What's actually different now is something that you're not focusing on. It's that they've got the support of over half the country. We can talk all we want about where who's the president. The fact is, when you've got 70 million people, it is not.

This is the country we are. We elected Trump to office and now these owners and these billionaires, they've got the cover that they never had before. You don't need to work in the shadows when you have popular support. And that's what they have. Mark Zuckerberg knows that he's fine on Facebook. He looks at the stock price of Metta and he recognizes that it's being bolstered not by people who disagree with him, but by people who agree with him. So he's going to lean into that. But I think that what David just did is the trick that got run in the campaign and now the aftermath, which is you voted for this.

And I think on some level, of course, because it's two choices, yes, objectively true. But I just think that there has been a both-sides-ism to corruption that has undersold the magnitude on the side that won. And the side that won did not run on we are corruption vote for corruption there and all the other stuff they read on again s or stop they ran on trans athletes they ran on immigration they ran on the stuff that

is you see the stuff that actually like moves the needle in a town hall meeting um corruption isn't one of those topics but because the other stuff got voted for corruption corruption rides inside. And David, I just think that my faith relative to yours is in the idea that people, if they actually knew the magnitude and were presented with it by journalistic enterprises in a more rigorous and clear way,

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how the Savannah Bananas changed his face. How do you know I'm gonna tell you how the Savannah bananas change How do you know I'm smiling that's how I found my vocal range sometimes I just say Savannah bananas This is the done libertar show with this two guards Pablo were you the least successful member of your graduating class? No, there was a, there was a, there was a, there's a, there's a, I went through this exercise at our reunion. Oh no, you went, that already is a bad sign, friend.

Zuck was not at that reunion. You didn't go to your, wait, Billy, you didn't go to your... We don't have college reunions. Zuckerman was a year ahead of me. There were some other candidates in mine. You guys don't have college reunions. Zuckerberg was a year ahead of me. There were some other candidates in mine. You guys don't have college reunions? No, college reunions. I mean, we do, we just don't go to them.

You see each other in publics walking around. I haven't had one yet. Like 60,000 people in a graduating class. I just see them in the streets every day. Yeah. Pablo, were you also on Facebook when it was just a Hot or Not website or? Who was that?

Yeah, so Facebook started as truly that. Oh, good. It was a web- We've seen the movie. For Zuckerberg too. We all saw social network, Pablo. Pablo well I'm here to tell you you saw a movie I I lived the movie college was a movie the social network that's right Pablo your desire to be so ahead of us intellectually gets in the way of

actual discourse because the corruption that you're discussing has existed since Jefferson, Burr, Hamilton. There's been government corruption since the beginning of time. Now you're saying they didn't vote for corruption? No, what David is saying is actually the problem. Now you your take has gotten worse. Your take is now corruption is always existed. We should not even remark upon its existence. Yes, it is. You're observing something in the observation you are wearing away the edges on what's actually interesting, which is that this is uniquely corrupt. And I'm just not uniquely corrupt. You're saying

but Pablo, there's nothing unique about what's happening. It's just not hidden anymore. That's the only thing. If you want to say that's what's unique, then we can talk about that. But the level of corruption now by the big go back to when go back to Ford, go back to when cars started, go back to the wheel or the steam engine. Go back to the wheel? When I'm talking about corruption. To the Model T. When I'm talking about power.

Yeah. Oil. Are you just naming old things now? No, I'm naming corrupt, I'm naming every level of corruption that started with the caveman. Humbleweed. Swinging saloon doors. Were you hot or not, Pablo?

Like what was your picture and what was like the percentage? I think I did peak in college. Really? I thought they only rated when they did. Of course they did. To answer your question though in terms of like where do I rank in my college reunion, it does bring us back to the topic because when I went to that reunion Vivek Ramaswamy was there and I'll just point out something. Vivek Ramaswamy drove a wedge into this insane coalition between

Silicon Valley, deeply transactional, and America first, right? Because he was talking about like H1B visas and he made more Indian immigrants and all that stuff. Go check out the last time Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted, the dude has been disappeared from the Republican Party since he dared to say something that was ideologically inconvenient for this coalition. So I'm just telling you that Vick Rabasami is on the way down. I think I am absolutely back ahead of him. Damien Chazelle directed Whiplash and La La Land

and those movies. So I think he's clearly the number one, but I'm up there. I'm up there arguably, I would say. Colin Jost, your year? I didn't like, Colin Jost was not. was not yours use ahead me went to high school together There you go high school guys. I need some help. I need some help. I need some help from all of you because Pablo Torre has a very popular podcast and he's likable to a certain

select a certain select. Can I clarify? That's less of a thank you. I am the least likable on your show, which is unfortunately one of the biggest platforms that I tend to sometimes have. Join the club. Everywhere else, I'm like the fun guy.

Here I'm like the scold. And I'm like, uh. Welcome to my world, Pablo. Really, you're the fun guy elsewhere, huh? Are you? Finally walking a mile in my shoes, Pablo. I am the fun, dude, I am the Stu Gots of MSNBC, just to give you a clarity on what it's like

for me over there. I come in, wanna talk about, I come in wanting to rank quarterbacks, literally. And it's a very different experience. So we're trying around here. I yell into people's lav mics, you know, like Michelle Beatle. We get the joke.

We are trying to make you more likable around here and you continue to just make it difficult at every turn. Billy and Stugats are noticing at every turn that your arrogance is showing. No, I like Pablo. No, but Pablo. Yeah, it's not arrogant. But Pablo. It's I like Pablo Pablo.

Pablo. Stop convicting us. What he just did is I lived the movie. He's basically saying I was at the start of social media. It started with me. I invented it. I was though. He says from his one bedroom apartment. I didn't make money on it. The two bedroom apartment. Apartment shaming? A one bedroom in New York also. I, I, thank you, thank you, Jess. I was, I didn't, look, I didn't, as the movie says, if you invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook.

I didn't invent Facebook. What I did though was watch Mark Zuckerberg's now wife, Priscilla Chan, live in my freshman entryway and send an email to us being like, hey, do you want to sign up for Mark's new website? And I did. And Priscilla went away like- You could have saved the world.

You could have stopped it all then and there. That's the better take is that I was all too happy to sign up for the Hot or Not site and like stalk people in my classes because I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is actually convenient. Instead, yeah. This is Pablo Torre, MSNBC, you're making him a rising star.

He's got the world's most expensive podcast and he does journalism at a time that journalism is dying because you all gave it to Zuckerberg and you're good with him and Musk doing journalism. And Pablo's out here fighting the good fight, but he does so with maximum eloquence. And MSNBC, this is what you've hitched your wagon to in terms of intellect.

Yeah, but this is, but this is, but no, no, no. Yeah, but this is, but this is, but no, no, no. This meanwhile, David Sampson toils in a tin can eight o'clock in the morning doing better content belching it out 50 minutes at a time Pablo needs a team of people needs an army of hundreds to give you this. And poor Samson just working with Coca and trying to get on MSNBC and nobody invites him on MSNBC. Yeah, but this is Samson.

Well, they don't invite him on MSNBC because he thinks that corruption is the same now as it was before Money Enter Politics. And then A.J. Brown's gonna get cut. Well, you're not like- I think Dan walked away when Samson just started saying stuff like, the wheel, but that happened too. Do you guys understand?

You've learned nothing from me, either one of you, Samson, Pablo, do you understand how it is, how hard it is to be less likable than me with your strident opinions? Is that why the way you are welcome, you are welcome for that. He was just naming monopoly pieces. He was like the thimble.

Is that why you hired me, Dan? You surround yourself with people who make you more likeable The penguin that's what I did How's the boot guy anybody else a boot guy? I like the little car in the doggy I was A bootlicker joke, but I nobody saw Stu Gadd's coming on that one from any angle.

So your guys, your level of trepidation here as we enter, like what are the interesting takeaways? Like what is the proper, not howling at the sky, correct temperament to have about what is clearly happening in this country, which is the gulf between have and have nots continues to grow, there's a desperation growing amid the have nots and the rich people keep accruing

more power, more money, so that they will have all of it at the most desperate of times and can buy all the water when you need it for a firefight, can buy all the media when you need it for a firefight i can buy all the media when you need it uh... for a power struggle on disinformation like what's accurate as we end or enter a new four years where the american public have said flatly what we care about is the economy and immigration and the voting is swallowed by the desperation and people are lonely and angry and they'll vote for whatever represents change

and it's a look on the island I think tech is actually the big difference. And that's the difference between the wheel and now is that we are dealing with the foremost technological innovation presented to you by companies that aren't just seeking to protect themselves, but they actually do have a, we know better than you perspective on this. It's not just that Silicon Valley is transactional, David, and they are willing to spend to preserve

their own self-interests. It's that now you have them in concert with an administration that doesn't care about the ideology. They don't. Donald Trump's foremost motive is profit, and it's just naked in a way that's different. There were other guidelines and guardrails around, well, he won't do this because. He won't do that because there is shame, there is policy, he actually does believe this ideologically. I'm not saying that Trump believes in nothing, I'm just saying that nothing compares to the profit that he wants to make. And when you have that in combination with the place that has the most money

to spend, that does have ideas for how the policy should be different. It's just a remarkable combination that we're going to begin to see in full bloom that's going to make the wheel and the corruption that existed in the era of like oil barons, it's going to be quaint because it's never been quite like this with Silicon Valley ascendant at this time. The middle-class has been disappearing for decades. Number one, number two, one of the most commonly common misconceptions is people saying,

oh, this is different. This isn't like it was, this is worse. This is getting out of hand. If you go back to the seventies to the sixties, go back to the twenties, go back to the 1800s for crying out loud. People have the same point of view. This can't get any worse. The problem you have Pablo is that you're trying to explain to people something that

they already know. You're not helping them find out something. You're not giving them an epiphany that, oh my God, look who I voted into office. I had no idea what he was about. Of course they know maybe in 2016, they didn't know, but in 2024, of course they did, which is why all of this shouting into the wind is not necessary because this is our country. You like it or not. This is what we wanted. And this is what we have.

Connor Scallions. That's pretty good. Got to say, it's pretty good. Jeremy, you were making faces while Samson was talking. Well, I guess the the one thing that I would say is, yes, of course corruption has always existed, David, and we as a country have constantly needed massive deals from the proper administrations to root out corruption and save us from disaster. And basically, since Reagan was president, we have only slashed and slashed and slashed and slashed on regulation and

Welcomed more and more and more and more corruption and money into government And this is that time where people are so fed up and frustrated whether it's different or not David the perception is there For young people for middle-class people for for lower class people of this is enough. This rich guy and all of his rich friends profiting off of us, the labor, there are people who are fed up with that and it seems to be more brazen and more people have access to that information

now than before, so the rich guys are buying up the information places and making it Unable for Americans to communicate with each other in that respect without it being suppressed. That's a problem I don't love that Jeremy and I are both wearing glasses as we yell at David It's just I feel like we're diluting extra like I just yeah, you're at the same time I do want to I would I want to join Jeremy though I'm pushing back on David in this way. David said, you find nothing out by explaining how corrupt and perhaps uniquely corrupt

this administration is. The Silicon Valley thing is the part that I think we're underweighting here. Every day on this show, especially, but otherwise, we marvel at how unhappy we are about our phones and what is actually ruling our day-to-day life, right? We marvel at that as if it's new all of the time. The companies that made it that way did not make it that way, I think, credit to them,

because they said, we would like to make everyone's lives miserable. What happened was they were like, we can innovate and create a device that can do all of these other things. We can connect to the world. As Mark Zuckerberg has always said, we can make it so that you have the access to the library of Alexandria on command in your phone. What I'm saying is that the misery and the ruin of all of these institutions that we enjoy, but our happiness first and foremost, okay, our happiness was an unintended consequence

of people who thought that they knew better than everybody else. And when you don't regulate those people, and when you don't put up the guardrails via a political administration that is meant to not serve a profit motive, but to serve its actual citizens, at that point, not to sound like I'm running

for goddamn office right now, you are doing something in which people have to discover I'm a frog in a pot of boiling water. That's what we are discovering every day because the products are actually that good. They are that good, David. And guess what? I think you should buy stock and flip phones, Pablo.

That's what you should do. Invest violence money in flip phones because that's what we're gonna, we're gonna start going backwards because the world has spoken. The people have spoken. They don't want this sort of progress. They don't want this sort of connectivity. They are being the wool is over everybody's eyes. You got this one right Pablo? Well listen I'm just saying like you talk to people who design there's a guy who designed the feature that is the infinity scroll. We all know it, right? Like, you don't have to actually, like, press a button. It just scrolls infinitely.

I'm like, a slot machine. It actually is sort of premised on slot machine technology. That famously non-addictive technology that everybody who uses loves, you know, slot machines. People love it when you watch them play a slot machine. You're like, that person had the time of their life. And not sad and old and dying. What is happening is that the people who invented this technology, the infinite scroll, social media, Facebook itself, their philosophy with their own kids is,

we wouldn't let them use this stuff. And I think you've heard that probably before, but it's real, it's true. And I'm not saying that to say, I'm gonna throw my phone into the ocean, I'm just saying, the people who are telling you that they know the best, okay, are also the people who have access

to avoid being stopped in a unique way. And it'd be one thing if they had proven it, but they haven't. I regret all of this, I regret everything that we have done for the last 25 minutes. Chris Leakes. We're back. Except for that.

I've been okay with that. If your college was a movie, what movie would it be? Mine is obviously Rudy, but I don't know. David's maybe Legally Blonde. So you guys have been looking for how long to try and- Back to school, Jessica. Hmm. That's my school, Jessica. Hmm. That's my college, University of Wisconsin.

Hmm. Thank you. That's a movie, apparently. Is that Rodney Dangerfield? It came out around the time of The Wheel, I believe. What year is back to school? What year is back to school? I think it was 81.

Wait, I thought it was called Back to School Jessica. It's Rodney Dangerfield. Great movie. Samson is- I get no respect. Sam to School Jessica. It's Rodney Dangerfield. Great movie. Samson is- I get no respect. Samson, yes, Samson is incapable- What, unlimited fake Rodney? Of making a movie reference-

Try to lighten the mood, Pablo. To Jessica that's not from 1981. It was 86. Okay, Back to School. Liar. As I recall, Rodney Dangerfield, is that the one he dives in? He's a swimmer of some sort?

Yeah, he's from Palindy. Yeah, I've actually seen that one. He... Wait a minute. Two old guys! Go look at Rodney... Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why have we not been talking more about this during this segment

instead of worrying about Zuckerberg? You're telling me that a 60-year-old Rodney Dangerfield, who looked 60 when he was 30, was shirtless in a movie back to school and did the Triple Lindy in order to win something in a movie. No one has ever pulled off the Triple Lindy before or since.

He went from one diving board to the next diving board to another diving board. He was not shirtless, by the way. And he wasn't shirtless. He had a skin-tight, red tank top on with his beer belly. He was Van Wilder before Van Wilder. Rodney. So you guys are telling me that the Trimble Lindy

was to go from one diving board to another diving board to another diving board? That was the big, spoiler alert, the big finish to the Rodney Dangerfield movie. His arms are so skinny. This is what David Sampson is saying. I gave him a 10. His college experience.

Rodney. It was filmed at Wisconsin, Dan. It was so good. If Jessica's gonna say Rudy because of Notre Dame, then you have to say that Wisconsin is back to school. Chris, did you just make a face because he called it Notre Dame? Yeah, I mean, what are you doing there?

You're not better than me. Yeah. Put it on the pole, Juju. Is the person who says Notre Dame think he's better than you? He or she is better than you. Thank you gentlemen for joining us. We'll talk to you next week. See ya.

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