The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The 70-Point Miami Dolphins vs. The 1972 Miami Dolphins

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar Welcome to the Big Sui! Presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan LeBattard Show is brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings the crown is yours. You okay? Greg, I had an idea here that I wanted to get your thoughts on. It's an idea I haven't shared with anyone yet. What if the fans right before the playoffs

could vote out a team that is limping into the playoffs and vote in a team that got really hot at the end of the season, but didn't make the playoffs? I think that's a brilliant idea, okay? A brilliant idea. Thank you. And here's my immediate example. You vote out Pittsburgh, which limps in on a four game losing streak. put in Joe burrow and the Bengals the best court arguably the best quarterback

And wait, but this season hang on like Pittsburgh should get like a draft pick out of this right? We'll give him a third row Are all the teams in the league voting or just the teams not in the play I think the fan should vote That's what I think I vote out, Kansas City Yeah Yeah or just the teams not in the playoffs? I think the fans should vote, that's what I think. Can I vote out Kansas City? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Why not? I mean, you can, you have a vote, you can vote, well no, if you win the division, it has to be a wild card team.

My friend, you haven't just opened up a can of worms. And you've opened up a can of anacondas. It is problematic if somebody hacks the voting. Wouldn't it just be the Cowboys end up in every year? We can we can't have that. Well no, but this is Stugats. Stugats has been trying to get the Bengals into the playoffs for the last three months. He's tried harder than anybody who plays for the Cincinnati organization. He's just desperate for Joe Burrow to be in the playoffs. I was asking Chris Simms if he'd be surprised at certain AFC teams and if they made it to the Super Bowl, and he said he would be surprised by all the teams

with the exception of the big three, the Chiefs, the Ravens, and the Bills. And then I asked him, what if the Bengals made it? Would you be surprised if they made it to the Super Bowl? And he said, no. I feel like we're doing the same thing we did in college football with Alabama. We're like, I got a whole season of samples selection.

Like, Bengals were not very good this year. Or else they would have made the playoffs. The offense was great. Joe Burrow wins that game. Yeah. They started off winning four. Derrick Henry would have 350 yards. Let me ask Greg the question.

Did I hear you correctly? Did you say that you would make the Ravens the betting favorite to win the Super Bowl? I might right now, yeah. Might or would? Like might? Yes, we all know what the five best teams are in the sport. We've been watching all season and they're clearly a cut above. You saw it the first week. You saw it during these playoffs. You saw Denver was really good all season. Buffalo ends up just dragging them. Pittsburgh limped in, but Baltimore ends up just in a way that from the very first drive of Baltimore where they go 95 yards down the field and I'm looking at the Steelers and I'm like, good God, they're exhausted already.

It's been one drive into the playoffs because they just keep getting punched in the face and I would imagine although Everyone listening to this respects the Rams. I would imagine that everyone expects Detroit to do the same thing after a bye to show you again that they are the best team Why are you making the Ravens? Is it because of the improvement of their defense since week 11? Yeah, my five Super Bowl favorites right now in order are Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, Kansas City, and Philadelphia. Be careful on that limb.

And for reasons I said, they have the two best players, they have the two most valuable players in the league, Baltimore in my opinion. And the defense right now is as good as anybody in the league that's a combination that can't be beaten can you guys answer a couple of questions for me because i was legitimately surprised that Baltimore lost five times this season i think and this has been a problem they've had for a couple of seasons i think they may have had a ten-point lead in all of the games the reason i know buffalo good, obviously their record is good.

Obviously they've been the division leader. But the reason that I know Buffalo is good is because they never get beaten by a lot. When Buffalo loses, like give me the last time, Buffalo loses one of these stinkers where you're like, they've lost by double digits or how many times in the last three seasons is josh allen out of a football game they lost at baltimore thirty eight to ten they go sorry bill that's the one right

so if i go over the last three seasons and look at josh allen's, he's in all but one of them. He's in all the games he's played for three seasons except one game. I know Detroit had that one game. Didn't they go to San Francisco and lost 35-9 as well? Baltimore can do that to anybody, Stugats. I don't know what you do. Detroit last year against San Francisco? I, there was the IUK crazy catch. Detroit was hanging around. No, no, I'm not talking about the playoff game.

I'm talking about either last regular season or this regular season, Detroit went to San Francisco and lost 34 to nine. Didn't they? There's some score like that. I think I've got that right. The Baltimore Ravens are wildly frustrating to play

if you're the defense because when they're in third and short, you got no chance. Like you just, you can't, you just desperately want them. We were talking about Washington, Jaden Daniels always going for it. If you're the defense, you always want them to punt because you're terrified of what they're going to do. You're so thankful as a fan to get them in fourth down and get them to actually concede the punt

because you don't want them going for it on fourth and eight, fourth and six, you don't even want, you're so risk averse as a fan, you respect so much the quarterback and the offense that you don't want the probability that you will get very good field position at their 40. You'd rather have the punt and started your 20 than deal with, I don't want to be faced with having to stop this person on fourth and six.

Both those teams Sunday evening. I mean, Buffalo's elite at at short yardage, I think 16 for their last 19. In fact, did anybody else scream, no, what a stupid play when they went for it on fourth and one and it wasn't just a Josh Allen keeper. And then magic happens where the catch is even somehow better than the throw with Ty Johnson in the back of the end zone to get his knee down and not have his feet touch out of bounds. Like even when they call bad plays they find a way to do it. This is one of the most eagerly anticipated games I can ever remember in the postseason. And now Lamar Jackson has in Zay Flowers and what I would call a developing elite receiver which he hasn't always had the first few years of

his career. So that's a fully flowering offense. Not sure if he's playing it's not clear. I would say this is the most... They have other wide receivers that have gone in the first round they've done such a great job loading that team up it's incredibly loaded across that entire offense he's got so many weapons and he's rewarded the confidence that that franchise has given him by adapting to this brand new OC, having more of an air raid mentality. It's just such a fricking good team. There's no excuse. Sometimes like your gut instinct when something happens is the right one. And we all said this when they got Derek Henry. We were like, this team's going to be impossible to stop

in the playoffs. They are going to run people over because if you try to stop Derek Henry, Lamar Jackson will just run it six times in a row on you. And if you try to stop Lamar Jackson, Derek Henry will just run it six times in a row on you. And that's just what they're gonna do in this playoffs and I don't know who's gonna stop them. Derek Henry could have been available to anybody for one year, $10 million.

He was available to anyone. Yes, he was. It sounds like we're putting the Ravens in the Super Bowl. They have to go to Buffalo and Kansas City. Well, this is the most anticipated playoff game since Buffalo played at Kansas City and you had that game of 13 seconds at the end of the game to see. I think this is the biggest one since then. It's just it's pretty rare for you to know going into an NFL game Those two teams can very easily beat all of the other teams in the sport and win the Super Bowl You just don't get many games like that that feels like a Super Bowl before the Super Bowl because you know that both teams are

capable of winning the Super Bowl because the things that they do You have to understand Denver has, because Sertane is so good and in general, their defensive backfield is so good in Denver, Denver had the best pass rush in the league, which was totally neutralized by Buffalo just running the ball again and again during that game. To have teams that can physically on offense

do what Baltimore did, I will say it again about Kam Hayward because I was startled by it. I was startled to see a defensive tackle on the first drive of the game taking so many punches from Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in that offensive line that people would accuse the Pittsburgh Steelers of quitting because anybody would look like they're quitting if they keep getting hit by that for 95 yards. It's what would look, I object to something that Jessica said last week because I don't love accusing teams of quitting

or not quitting or because I don't think we can do it with our eyes in that sport. But Baltimore can make anyone look like that. I feel like the Baltimore Buffalo game is the springboard to the team that's going to win the Super Bowl. In a season where Kansas City does not seem as strong as it did the past couple of years in a season where Detroit hasn't won anything since 1957 and typically teams go to the Super Bowl and lose before they

win. This just seems like Baltimore Buffalo is the game that's that's going to catapult the championship. Baltimore Buffalo is the game that's that's gonna catapult the championship Lamar Jackson does have a chance here Dan to erase everything Meaning if he can do this on the road against Josh Allen on the road against Patrick Mahomes Go to the Super Bowl beat the Lions or the Eagles Let's say doesn't matter who he beats once he gets through that in the AFC He has a chance to get rid of all the doubters. No one will ever say do it in the postseason again. There is a man, I don't think he's gonna get it done, but there is a massive opportunity for Lamar Jackson here.

When Greg Cody mentions the Detroit Lions not winning anything since 1950, I saw Will Manso put out the stat that Jaden Daniels was 12 days old the last time the Dolphins won a playoff game. Are you guys familiar with the longest droughts in the sport when it comes to not winning a playoff game? Do you guys know the numbers off of the top of your head? Because I didn't talk about the Dolphins in the local hour, but I wanna get to what happened

with Tyreek Hill here recently. The Dolphins have the longest drought without winning a playoff game. It's 24 years, almost a quarter of a century. Right after that, it's the Raiders, 22 years. And then, you gotta go to Jets and Bears, 14 years. Yeah, we're not last. The sport legislates equality,

they make it so if you're bad, you get rewarded. It is breathtaking that the Dolphins have not won a playoff game in 24 years. The longest streak in the NFL. Now, the Bills went 17 years without making the playoffs. The Lions had this reputation for a long time. And it's a little bit confusing to watch the Lions and the Bills be an overwhelming kind of great this reputation for a long time. And it's a little bit confusing to watch the Lions

and the Bills be an overwhelming kind of great and to have the Dolphins be out of a playoff victory for 24 years. But it kind of makes sense, right? Like it's where we are with the Steelers at the moment, which is the Dolphins for a long time were in just good enough land, right? Where they weren't gonna get a high draft pick

and they were gonna be just good enough to maybe make the playoffs or maybe just be the first team out of the playoffs. The ones that get rewarded are the teams that are like historically bad because they get the number one picks and then you have all the times in the NFL worst to first from one year to the next.

So you like, you can win a playoff game and have led like a drought before and a drought after. The Dolphins are just always kind of like in purgatory where they're not good enough to do anything but not bad enough to get a good pick. And then the one pick that they had recently was Tua and then he's not been healthy. So he's not good enough to get you into the postseason

and he's not bad enough to get you a first round pick. Also in that time span, a strange proclivity to enter the wild card round with a backup quarterback. The Matt Moore's, Skyler Thompson games, like what do you want me to do? And last year, you feel good about your offense. Well, we got ourselves in a position where we're opening things up in sub-zero temperatures

against Kansas City. So like really, I think the only game out of that tenure where they've been in the playoffs, where they might've been favored, and I have to look up the line when they hosted Baltimore with Chad Pennington at quarterback but they've they're supposed to lose all these games once they get in there because there's enough context in the line is pretty overwhelming at that point. Yeah you could

make an argument for all the things were mentioned that the Miami Dolphins are a cursed franchise still paying off karma for winning those two Super Bowls in a row including a perfect season. It's literally a fact to say that the Miami Dolphins have been an irrelevant franchise this century, okay? Ever since 2000, it's been a stumbling and bumbling and they just have done nothing right. And it's, Dolph, Dolph fans are as frustrated as any, and I know you're a Jets fan, Dolphins are as frustrated, I think, as any fandom in pro sports, with reason. The 10 years of difference, though, is startling when I say the Dolphins

haven't won a playoff game in 24 years, the Jets haven't won one in 14, and are so eager to get back to those times that they're re-interviewing Rex Ryan to see if they could get back to the time when they won playoff games 14 years ago. He's not getting that job. That's great. That would be something else. I think that the other comparison

between the Dolphins and the Jets is that they have done the thing where they've either you know, not tanked but been bad enough to get a top five quarterback pick and both times I'm not comparing to it at Zach Wilson, I think to is much, much, much better. But that's where the frustration is, right? Like the Steelers, they had a first round pick that they used on a quarterback, but there's a difference between like using your 20th pick

on the wrong quarterback and using your fifth or third or first pick on a quarterback. The frustration is whiffing on Zach Wilson and getting it right with Sam Darnold, but he gets it right in Minnesota and not New York. Right, that's even more frustrating. We can't develop quarterbacks. It seems even longer than 24 years

because my memory of that Lamar Smith game was running to my dad's car so I could hear it on the radio because it was blacked out locally. Yes. So we were running to our radios to listen to that last win locally. There wasn't a bar. There were blackout restrictions.

No one outside of people that were there covering it and they're in attendance actually has vivid memories of that play unfolding live. Well, I was there and the reason that I say it is only you were there for that because of the following. Please look up for me, Chris. Look this up for me. Please give me Lamar Smith's stats from that football game

Please give me Lamar Smith's stats from that football game, because this is what happened in the grainy memory of Dolphin fans 24 years ago, the last time they won a playoff game. Lamar Smith carried the ball so many times in a constipated Dave Wanstead offense where he just wanted to get four yards at a time all game and punt and punt and punt to hide his quarterback, that the week when lamar smith tried to play another playoff game his body wasn't working

they're running backs they're running look at the day at forty carries look at the stats between one but look at the stats between forty carries in a but but look at the next week against the raiders when they went when they went to play the Raiders and he had like six carries For nine yards because his body no longer function because they made him carry the ball 40 times in a game Lamar Smith I mean he had 208 yards What kind of offense is that for your Miami Dolphins when the best thing this century in the playoffs is handing the ball 40 times to Lamar Smith?

Chris has a stat, this is unbelievable. 8 carries for 5 yards next week. They're really pissed! Because his body! He was out of gas! He averaged 100 yards per game in the playoffs. 27-0 they lost. Yeah, sure thing. Hey, you sold that car yet? 27-0 they lost. Carvana gave me an offer in minutes, picked it up and paid me on the spot. It was so convenient. Just like that.

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Stugats! Paint the scene. The paint the scene is I gotta go to work. Good night. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats! Is it crazy for me to say, and I'm trying to be the positive force here, everybody's down on the dolphins. Is it crazy for me to say, yeah sure, they haven't won a playoff game in 25 years, 24 years, whatever, right?

But they had that 70 point game. I mean, you can't take that 70 point game. Now the Broncos are in the playoffs. And the Broncos are in the playoffs, and Russell Wilson was a playoff quarterback for another team. So they put up 70 points against two playoff forces that day. It was a wake up call for the other teams. for another team. So they put up 70 points against two playoff forces that day.

It was a wake up call for the other teams. It's gone straight downhill since that Denver game for Miami and only uphill for Denver since that game. Would you trade it though, Dan? Would you say, we don't want the 70 point game, we'll take the playoff appearance? I don't know, Billy's saying no. That 70 point game, I felt alive.

I felt something that day. And really that one game, that one game carried us for the rest of the season. Cause you always thought, you know what? 70 points in a day, this offense can do whatever they want. That was our modern day 1972 Dolphins. Like growing up, all I ever heard was a 1972 Dolphin, 72 Dolphins over and over.

Why are the Dolphins so great? Oh, because Undefeated Season 72. And the Dolphins like, lore my entire life with the Dave Wonstads of the world who were taking the teams to the playoffs. I was like, this is the franchise with the highest win percentage ever. These are the Miami Dolphins.

It's like, they went undefeated, only undefeated season ever. And that was just like the identity of the Dolphins is the undefeated season. That 70 point game was the identity of the Dolphins because you always thought, you know what, what if. Which moment, since they haven't had playoff wins in that span, which moment is bigger in the eyes of Dolphins fans? The Wildcat game or the 70 burger? Put it on the poll please, Juju, at LeBittard show. Best memory for Dolphins fans this century.

At Foxboro? How about the Camarillo touchdown that prevented them from going winless? I mean, that was a big one. I think the biggest moment of the century is Gronk falling down at the goal line trying to tackle Drake. Doesn't NFL use that play as their rejoin? So they have the graphics of the Xs and Os

running around behind the logos of one of their shows, and it's that play where the Dolphins are scoring the touchdown and Gronk is tripping over himself. I wanna get the expertise of Greg Cody of the Miami Herald here as it relates to Tyreek Hill and Drew Rosenhouse saying that Tyreek Hill is fully committed to the Dolphins when we all saw it. He is not. Right. Like we all heard him after the game, even

if it's just emotions. And I've said before that the time to talk to players about whether they'd like to be on another team or quitting is immediately after the season ends in the emotion of a disappointing season. What did you make, Greg, of after a season of frustration for Tyreek Hill, after a lot of issues off the field and some general turbulence about his temperament and how much he wants to be here, a lot of questions being asked. Drew Rosenhouse comes out, his agent, Drew Rosenhouse comes

out and says he's fully committed to the Dolphins and then sort of walks that back as well when they asked some follow-up questions because they just want the mess, they just want to put the mess away for a while so that if they do move him, he has more value than he would if everybody knew that he was upset, but everybody does know he's upset. Yeah it's a snake bit season for Tyree Kill. Keep in mind it began before opening day with him being handcuffed by cops outside the stadium for reasons that were very dubious and unjustified but he had a bad year let's face it he didn't he seemed to step slower to a miss six games it was just a nightmare season for him.

And the fact that he would say, I'm out, bro, did not surprise me. And the fact that he would later walk it back through Drew Rosenhouse did not surprise me either. It's not the first time that Tyreek this season has either said or tweeted something on social media that made you go, hmm, and made him explain himself.

He's just, he's a very mercurial, volatile personality. And you know, it's, you could make an argument that it's sort of unbecoming of a team captain to put himself in that role where he's saying things that he later has to walk back. I think he was super dissatisfied this season with everything about the Dolphins, from the way their defense evaporated from what they had last season, their running game largely disappeared. Raheem Mostert disappeared. It was just a nightmare season for an offense that was super exciting last year.

I think he'd rather be traded, but I also think that he can be talked into returning and he'll be fine. Stugatz, I'm curious whether you agree with what I'm about to say. I've made this reference a few times. The terrible movie Waterworld, an international legendary flop according to everyone else, but I will always stop on it

if it's on my television at any point. And in a movie about, there is no land, else, but I will always stop on it if it's on my television at any point. And in a movie about, there is no land, everyone is at sea and supplies are scarce. Dennis Hopper is overseeing a floating barge of an empire that is rusting. And there is a scene at one point when fire goes down to the bowels of the ship where there is a very old, old, skinny man on a raft on oil and as the fire comes and is going to blow up the man who has been living in the oil on the raft clearly emaciated, he says as the fire arrives for the explosion, oh thank God, because he just wants his life to and he doesn't want to work

uh... anymore i thought to myself when the sean watson re injured his achilles he's like you know what i'm good uh... i'm good i don't want to play anymore i don't get out of here i don't want to do any of this anymore uh... this is a career ending injury can't you can't re-injure your Achilles

and come back from that. I'm just like, I'm thinking to myself that Deshaun Watson is somewhere relieved that he doesn't have to go do that anymore. But do you know how he possibly re-aggravated the injury? Browns fans have tracked down a video in which he's doing a little bit of a TikTok dance with his, with his girlfriend not wearing the boot the way that the doctor would recommend it, and they have now fantasy booked not just drafting a quarterback with their top two pick, but also getting out from this guaranteed contract because Deshaun Watson did not follow doctor's orders.

That would be something, huh, as punctuation? If that, because there, you heard me obsess about this last week, but it's just not something that you see very often. Everyone's dying to have a quarterback. This was a young quarterback in his prime, and pretty clearly, if it wasn't his body, it was his mind that just totally unraveled in a way. Is he even 30 yet?

I think he's 29 or 30. Do you think the guy who monitors Deshaun Watson was so thrilled? Don't put on the boot. Dance without the boot. Please dance without the boot. And then he dances without the boot, and they're celebrating, are they not?

Because that's what they want, that's what they've been looking for. Whoever has that job has been waiting for that moment for a couple of years now, we finally got it. The Browns absolutely put on staff payroll somebody to just watch for how do we get out of this contract. I find Deshaun Watson to be a real challenge to human nature and into the best part of me because a part of me wants to feel sorry for the guy part of

me really does want to feel sorry for the guy but he's such an unsympathetic victim because of everything he's been through I find it difficult how do I how am I supposed to react as a caring human being to this man suffering another Achilles tendon injury? I'm conflicted. I honestly am. I don't know. I mean, how should you feel when Deshaun Watson, after everything he's put dozens of women's through for, you know, things that were in the headlines for the past two, three years, how are you supposed to feel when this guy just can't catch a break on the field you know i mean it's i i am conflicted about it it's it's bad for everybody but

worse for his victims than him as a bit absolutely that's why i say he's the least sympathetic victim in in in the world yes actually great this is how you should feel mccann nails up yet okay i like it right well may suggest indifference uh... the i'm i'm sure that some people that Me. Yeah, that kind of nails it. Yeah, okay. I like it, Roy. Well, man suggests indifference. I'm sure that-

There's some people that are being like, yeah. Yeah, I mean- A lot of people are in deserve that. More than that. But do it under a table. But do it under a table. A lot of people are gloating. There's no question about it.

And the victims certainly are entitled to gloat. They've paid the pain to be entitled to gloat. I don't know whether somebody like me or you or another fan should feel good about gloat. They've paid the pain to be entitled to gloat. I don't know whether somebody like me or you or another fan should feel good about gloating. Like over the top celebrations. I just don't know. You also don't know whether Carson Beck is good. The Miami Hurricanes are said to have been paying either between three and four million dollars for a quarterback that's coming off of an elbow injury who turned the ball over plenty in Georgia, who did not have the benefit of Bowers always being open at tight end, did not have a good offensive line at

Georgia either. You've been asking the question, is Carson Beck good, which is not something I could have imagined even four years ago. Even four years ago, I could not have imagined that Greg Cody would be asking, is a quarterback that a college is paying between three and four million dollars for? Is that quarterback good? Cam Ward was 1.6, 1.5 million they got for Cam Ward.

The prices are going up fast in college football. They are. But the big difference is I saw Cam Ward play in college. I knew Cam Ward was good and I thought the Canes would make Cam Ward even better and they did. I'm not certain about Carson Beck. Yeah, you mentioned Cam Ward and that's where I think a lot of people are viewing this through this prism which is like a weird moving of the field goal post, because let me tell you something, undoubtedly Carson Beck enters this program with way more accomplishments and credentials than Cam Ward did. Cam Ward, people like to retroactively make like, of course they did great with Cam Ward. They had all sorts of questions about Cam Ward. And you are one of the few that actually watched him at Washington State. Not a lot of people did. I think I understand the questions especially how can you not be nervous about a guy that has an arm injury when his position is quarterback. I will say Miami does feel good about it all depends on who you ask but Miami does feel good about where he is his ability

to come back in time for fall camp and I will remind everybody in the listening audience at Brock Purdy was the betting favorite for NFL MVP six months after he had this surgery. Yeah, I know I I get that but when I say is Is he that good? I'm thinking of the 12 interceptions I'm thinking of Georgia Bulldogs fans not lamenting that he's gone. He does turn the ball over a lot So did cam right? So when I hear that when I hear that criticism about carson like well do we do we remember the cam experience there was one game against alabama where you through three picks but i also think they're for like four hundred fifty yards in that game there

is a stretch of four games were through like nine picks like he was on a on a real bad whatever the opposite of honor roll is he was on a roll turning the ball over but if you like mike if you heard that Florida State was paying Carson Beck $3 million to be their quarterback next year, you'd be like, good luck with that. And I'm not even necessarily saying that he's gonna be terrible and awful. I think he has more upside than a lot of quarterbacks,

but also coming off of a major surgery after the season he's had, I think a lot of reasons for concern. For me, it's entirely about the arm injury. But let's look at what the sports books are telling us. Presently second to win the Heisman next year behind Arch Manning. He's at plus 700.

Some books that have begun taking action on the 2026 NFL draft have Carson Beck as the number one overall pick next year. He entered this season. Consensus, number one overall pick. Yes, He entered this season, consensus number one overall pick. Yes, threw some picks, Cam does that too. Also made a ton of plays. And his team, I think, led the SEC in drops.

His wide receiver situation was real bad this year. And he doesn't need to be Cam Ward. This is what people need to get out of their mind. Miami was entering the season with Emery Williams at quarterback. We saw for a half what that looked like. They needed to do something drastic. And the thing that they did was get the top player

available in the portal. You can have questions about him. I'm not pushing back on that, but the gulf between a healthy Carson Beck and Emory Williams is immense. Huge upgrade. And if you're a Canes fan, if you're Mario Cristobal, perfectly entitled to say,

hey, for the second year in a row, we got the big guy in the portal. We got the big hit out of the transfer portal. Right now, that's absolutely true. But I just don't know that based on his track record, you can't expect another Cam Ward season, which you've mentioned. Also, Carson Beck had like the second highest odds to win the Heisman this season going into the year like I

Appreciate your respect for the sportsbooks But projecting next year's Heisman Trophy winner a year ahead of time doesn't necessarily mean that that's a sure thing It's all it's all based on action But I would say the people that handicapped this sport are a little bit more bullish on it and ultimately but I would say the people that handicapped this sport are a little bit more bullish on it. And ultimately Miami was at a situation in which a lot of quarterbacks were going off the board. Matier goes to Oklahoma.

Wait, are we really gonna enter this season with Emory Williams as quarterback? Those were real questions that people around the program were asking then, not 24 hours later, did they come away with a guy who, according to all the websites that put this together, was the number one guy available in the portal any position. Greg, you just mentioned the idea of him being Cam Ward.

Let's stop that now. Pump the brakes. I mean, just, they're paying twice as much for someone who will not be as good as Cam Ward, and that's no slight on him in any way. Like, that's not, what I just saw, please don't underestimate the wasted season the University of Miami just had with that as its quarterback. Like that's not, it's not gonna look like that again.

Don't read into the money as well because the money just continues to go up. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's going to continue to go up. Well, but where is this part headed though? Because there were reports, and you guys have told me that they were credible reports, that U.S. was being offered $6 million to skip the NFL draft,

and there's going to be some of this going forward, right? Some boosters are gonna want to compete with the NFL for, we can pay you more. But I wanna ask, where's this headed if we're already at three or $4 million for a quarterback coming off of elbow surgery? I can explain why we're there. It's the rev share.

Teams are, programs are taking into account the rev share. So a team that would really struggle to raise $15 million in NIL, like Duke football, has that base floor, looks at the available quarterbacks, goes gets MENSA from Tulane, offers them $3 million. That's how they're budgeting the rev share. That's what happened to the market. Out of the gates, the Tulane quarterback gets twice as much

because a team that would never be able to compete in the NIL space gets rev share. So what does that do? You would think that the rev share would maybe take some off the plates of the boosters? No, no, no, no, no. It's rev share plus NIL, and that's what's happened in the marketplace.

Emory Williams is white, huh? I haven't been this shocked since Khalil Green. I mean. Put it on the poll, please. Watch out to Coachman. At LeBotard Show, are you shocked that Emory Williams is white at LeBotard Show, are you shocked that Emery Williams is white at LeBotard Show? You mentioned rev shares.

Jess, this is the actual reason that you should be most excited about what's happening at Notre Dame right now. Last time Greg Cody was on with us, Greg Cody was saying, like James Franklin, we should take away Notre Dame's independence, that they should have to play in conferences with everyone else. Notre Dame is getting $20 million, they don't have to share with anybody because they've gotten this far.

That is an amazing advantage to have, that you are the only school that can get all of the profit from your winning. This can be a stepping stone for Notre Dame to be even more aggressive around this stuff because they're getting richer than other schools are by a factor of like 10 and 12 given how these conferences have to share money. Yeah, I would also say that like there's also a lot of money that Notre Dame isn't getting

from not being in a conference. Like they have a television deal that isn't equal to the Big Ten's television deal. So there is money that they do leave on the table in that way by not being in a conference. I think the best part about Notre Dame's independence is everyone crying about it 24-7. If you are still crying about Notre Dame not being in a conference, like I'm sorry,

you are not allowed to complain about conference realignment then. Either conferences are ruining the sport, or you can't have it both ways, okay? You just can't. It's the most hired argument in the world at this point. Well, I complain about both. I complain about Notre Dame being an independent

and the willy-nilly of conference realignment. Right, then you should be, probably, it would make more logical sense to be like, I understand why a school would wanna be independent in football given what the conferences have done to a lot of historic rivalries and to making this completely uneven scheduling model and just like these massive bloated conferences

that we've argued about all season as not being fair and not enough this and that and like the conference championship games or what's the point of the menu? I don't understand how you could think both at the same time. I think that there are several programs in this country, eight or 10 come to mind,

who should be looking at Notre Dame and going, hey, what about us? Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, maybe even Georgia now, arguably even Miami. There are several programs in this country that could go, we're of the stature of Notre Dame Let's get let's get ours and if that begins to happen then it's just more anarchy than we're seeing now. It's more dishevelment It's more

Change for the college football anarchy and dishevelment and an organization like that would be crazy It's gonna be so bad for that's weird Like James Franklin talking about this in his press conference last week, I would just like rolled my eyes so hard. He's like, everything should be even. What are you talking about? College football, everything should be even? Okay, let's remind you of that when you're giving part of your conference revenue to

all the bottom feeders in the Big Ten and complaining about it. Nothing's ever been even in the sport. Nothing will ever be even in the sport. Even among the power conferences, they play a different number of conference games. What are you talking about? It's college football. There's no way to make the playing field even and that's also not the point of the sport.

Can you guys get for me the origins of Willy Nilly? I don't know where it came from, what it means. I think he was a seal. Why we say willy-nilly do you have any explanation for what willy-nilly is? I enjoy saying it. Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like an ice cream treat or something, you know I just enjoy the words together then you mentioned and I think I generally agree with your sentiment But last year being a wasted year in terms of how it finished and how it felt, I think you're right to argue that,

but remember the quarterback narrative around Mario Crisaball entering this season. He was a quarterback killer. Now, back to back years, his process has resulted the biggest get at that position. Aren't we like a week removed from writing love letters to Cam Warden saying we'll remember him forever as the greatest hurricane and now we're calling it a wasted season and we should move

on from him? Oh I'm just I'm saying it's a wasted season just because you got the best season I've ever seen from a quarterback at Miami. You didn't even make the top 12 teams. Right. From fireside conversations to football Sundays, winter means more moments with the coolest people in your life. Make these moments even better with Miller Lite. I know I do. The great tasting light beer for people who love beer. A new year is a perfect time for friends, family, and great tasting light beer.

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