The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 282 - Very Puritan Charles Chauncy

Episode Date: July 13, 2017

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Vicar Charles Chauncy.SOURCESTOUR DATES REDBUBBLE MERCH

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master of baseball statistics. Yeah. Okay. Those are all good things. I'm not saying they're not good things are they things you are. You know what this is why you're getting downgraded. Okay well I ask questions that's my duty here. Okay. Yeah I'm sure whatever. Have we started the show? I guess. Do you want to look who to do? I'll do one buck. People say this is funny. Not Gary Gareth. Dave okay. Someone or something is tickling people. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to Tickly Cloud. Okay. You are Queen Fakie of made-up town. All hail Queen shit of Liesville. A bunch of religious virgins go to mingle and do my frame. Hi Gary. No.

Is he done my friend? No. Do you want to introduce anybody? Well we have sitting in we're in the All Things Comedy Studio because it's hotter than hell in the places where we normally record our podcast. Your apartment. My apartment. The devil actually walked by me this morning and said I'm gonna take a shower. You cool? Really how hot is it in your apartment do you think? Have you measured it? I've not measured it. I don't have. Unlike you my father never gave me like barometric readers. You should get one of those for the wall. They're great. No it's not a hundred and six not in my apartment. My mother so my mother is in town and

she came down to the All Things Comedy Studio to watch one or two of these dollops that we do that I've read about and heard about a lot online. Mother would you like to just say hello into the microphone mother come on. Hello. There we are. It's an accent. Say one more thing how hot is it in my apartment? I think it's probably about a hundred and six. She's not a master of statistics either. Yeah but she came right in with it like a like a legit number like she didn't go over. She's inflating. She nailed it. You know what I've been in your apartment after a sunny day and it's that hot and it's the middle of day right now it is peak hot time

for an apartment it's a hundred and six in there. Look I can't keep microwavable popcorn let's just say that. That's bad. It's not good. How's the seal that lives in there seals usually have to have a lot of water on them. Yeah I know we hose him down I have a guy. Okay. Yeah he's able to hose whichever side he's on. The guy's name the guy's nickname is Jose the hoser. Is Jose just laying around like no no he's building. No he's building a fortress. Does he stay near the the air conditioner unit. No but in his defense it's really you know it's almost like throwing a snowball into a fire. Poor guy. Anyway do you like Jose

he's not a good cat right. Go on you got to say it on the mic if you're gonna respond mother. She's not in the union. Oh I think he's a lovely cat I love him he's cute. All right that's enough mom that's enough sit down please sit down please. I'm gonna tag mom out real quick. She's getting tagged out real quick. Okay we don't need to pardon the pun. Feed the rumors. Oh god she really hit the you. Yeah she hit it hard she hit it hard. Totally totally reasonable. That's almost a fin walking him with Gary moment. We just can't have people in our lives on the show otherwise things go bad for me. 1562 interesting okay 92 damn it. Ah well

that changes everything for me I was in 1562 mode. It's like a totally different generation. Oh different yeah that's when they moved right again. Charles Chauncey was born at Yardlebury Hetfordshire England. Mom is it what is it Hartford shire? How do you say it? It's actually Hartfordshire. Hartfordshire. He went to Westminster School and then Westminster School at Trinity College. Okay. Are they religious? You know what it says at Trinity College so I would imagine. Sounds like maybe that has something to do with it. Holy Trinity you know that. That's what it is the three. So there he graduated and became a lecturer in Greek. Okay. Which

was there was there a big circuit for that? No I doubt it but he knew a lot of languages as a guy who really collected them at some point. Right I mean that just tells you how starved they are for entertainment when they're like we're gonna go down to the hall and watch this man speak Greek. Feta. I love Feta I love his Feta bits. Jairo. Oh he's lost me again. I don't like his new stuff. He's gone commercial. Chauncey left the position to become a pastor at Saint Mar sorry Marston St. Lawrence. Northamptonshire. Shire. Oh mom's giving the thumbs up. Yeah I got the thumbs up. From 1633 until 1637 and then he was a

vicar at Ware. Are you asking me? I don't know you're the one telling us. W-A-R-E Ware. Oh Ware okay. Yeah I'm nailing it. Now I'm getting a lot of thumbs up. Okay. But this should happen a lot more. It would be a good. Building my confidence. Good yeah mom you can write your trips up we'll make it a jump. After the bear. Yeah we'll we'll get into that. I don't want I love you okay we love each other. I don't want to fight. Chauncey was drawn to Puritan ideas. It was you know all the Puritans. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'll do a refresher course. Good people. No I mean. Well Puritans weren't they uh isn't that what the pilgrims were? Mm-hmm. Yeah they were Puritans. But what

did they believe in? Oh Jesus as well I mean I don't know. Purit pure beliefs. So they were separatists. So they were religious reformers. Okay. So they had notes. So King Henry VIII basically tossed the Catholic Church out he's like I had enough with you guys. Right. I'm doing my own business. Is that a quote? No I mean I've taken some liberties. Okay. He transformed the Church of Rome into a state church of England. Okay. So he's got his own business happening there. Right. He's killing it. Your mom loves it. Yeah look at her she's loving it she's getting emotional. But the Church of England kept a lot of the old Roman Catholic ways. Okay. So the Puritans thought the Church

of England should go further and kick that stuff to the curb. Okay. So the Puritans ceremonial stuff that they kept and stuff like that and they're like we don't need that in our new Church of England. Right. Okay. Let's lose it. All right. So they're like Coke Zero. They're a lot like Coke Zero. Okay. All right. Of people. I'm wasn't I was I was baptized in the Church of England wasn't I? Yes I was. Oh. Check you out. And I still don't know what it is so that didn't work. This one should make you angry. Okay. The name Puritans was a term of contempt given to the movement by its enemies. Bastards mom. They won't leave us alone mom. There you go. Yeah. Go ahead. Mom. I'm leaving mommy.

What? Oh that's right. My cousin when he got baptized they pulled him out of the water and he looked to my grandmother and he goes none of had to wash. You either have to speak on microphone. He kind of took mommy. Yeah. And then and how old was the I think you were about probably two. Yeah. And then your grandfather had to take the two of you out because you were being so naughty. Yeah. It didn't work. Yeah. The Jesus water didn't work. We were still like this. These ones are not for the naughty throw them in the dumpster. These two are naughty. I've had to wash. I've had to wash. Well into the 16th century a lot of priests were not really literate and usually really poor. Okay. They often were employed

by more than one parish at a time to get by. Okay. So they were like double took a second job double church and I think it's called just called. Okay. They're DC and you can triple church church. I'm working a triple today. I mean I am just I don't know. I I'm not a God to talk about. I really am. I can't read. I mean what am I talking about. I haven't read I haven't read anything. Talk about vamping. I got nothing. I'm doing the same shit in these three churches. Yeah. Same material. Little crowd work if I can. What's your main what's your main first sermon on. I mean you know the whole theme is you know God you know God will kill you if you don't believe in him. You know you got to believe in him

repent for your sins. You know join the church. This is like a hacky. I mean the same stuff I've been doing for 20 years. Yeah. You know I don't even like this shit anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway anyway. Peritons are right. Yeah. So employed by more than one parish was common and the resulting nomadic lifestyle of priests along with their immunity to some laws led to a lot of anti-clerical hostility. OK. So people didn't down with the pre situation. OK. And this helped lead to their isolation from the spiritual needs of the people. So they're not giving the people what they need. Like what are they doing. They're just making a buck. Like it's a guy with just hustlers and if they're hustlers but some of them you

know back then some guys would be like hey this would be a good way to get by. OK. Or even earlier than that like there were dudes like this might be a good way to have a young boy lover and make a bunch of cash. It just got a bunch of different ways. OK. Sure. We can get in. I don't want to hear anymore. You get an SCC point if you want to. OK. Whenever you're ready. Queen Mary had dissenting clergyman executed and others went into exile but the Puritan movement keeps growing. Right. Right. OK. Some Puritans wanted a Presbyterian form of church organization. Others started to claim autonomy for individual congregations. OK. That's not good. We're rolling with our own church. No. Yeah. That's like what you've

like franchising McDonald's and you're just like it's called Clarks Burgers. No. No. No. You're McDonald's. No. No. I took it in a new direction. Clarks. Yeah. You guys didn't have it right. So this is obviously that's obviously a bit out there for the time and others want to remain within the National Church and fight for change. OK. So those are the the guys who were like we're going to stay in the party and fix this business. OK. As they got stronger their opponents said they were hair splitters who followed their Bibles as guides to daily life. Hair splitters. So they're like you're a little too worried about shit that doesn't matter. Right. Getting involved. Right. Just the people relax and

be a little more spiritual. Right. Bro. So there but the point their point is that these people are to buy the book that they can't read by the book. But also. Yeah. Like really like just everything shouldn't matter that much. Right. OK. Got you. Like the way we are. Sure. They were also called ridiculous hypocrites who lived one way while cheating their neighbors whom they called inadequate inadequate Christians. OK. So they're like being judgmental but at the same time they're like I guess this and that used to happen in religion. I think that's the term. That would happen in religion where somebody would sort of be saying that others should live by a code that they weren't to profit. It used

to be. It used to be like it's so weird when you turn the pages of this book of history back and see the phases. Times were just. Yeah. Like it took us a while to get that out of there. Yeah. Hypocrisy is gone. Thank you. OK. Religion is. OK. I'm going to try to relate to this era. Everybody lives a lot like Jesus now. Right. Yep. Keeps growing. And started making inroads in the professional class. OK. Getting money into it. Right. So dudes with influence. OK. Little Scientologist. Now Chauncey had some ideas that were radical for the times. Now he's a professional class. Right. He's a lecturer at a university. It's strange. Radical for the radical times. Really really radical. A good thing to hear. Yeah.

Ever. I mean that is like you walking in asylum. They're like that guy's crazy. Yeah. He was known to argue over small points. He didn't like he had he had. He liked to argue. OK. Little things. OK. Love those people. Those are the best people. Dude is refusal to observe the a class C sickle. I don't know how to say this word. I wish I went to. I did go to Catholic school for. What is the word. No it's not. It's a class C. S. Classy a stick. Classy a stickle. OK. I should have gone to church. Yeah. Regulation got a wash. Archbishop Lord. So he's not. He's not. Like there's an archbishop that's like so I'm running the show here and he's like no you're not. No. No. No that's Chauncey's

job now mate. I'm fortunate you're not in charge anymore are you because Chauncey's here isn't he. Yeah. Now get your fucking book. Get out of here. It's just Chauncey time in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hit it. Yeah. That's right. Play the music. You said hit it right. Yeah. Play the music. Yeah. Play the Chauncey beat man. Yeah. Come on. So he was brought before the court of High Commission in 1629. Chauncey was. Yeah. OK. Because you can't say you know you're not listening to the bitch the archbishop. Right. It's Archbishop. Right. Yeah. You're the guy I don't listen to. Yeah. Yeah. So he there in front of the High Commission he recanted a position but he was livid. OK. That he'd

even been brought to heel in front of the church. Oh things those systems out of order. It's Chauncey. It's not how Chauncey does it. Is it now. Chauncey no. So he's a troublemaker. OK. There was also a lot of debate over how often and when churches should offer communion. How often and when. OK. I'm excited to hear what the schedule of problems were. People who are super into day communion and Chauncey was in the night communion. OK. It's different because if it hits midnight then it's a different day so it's a whole. Everyone's like what are you talking about. You can't have night communion because is there not an option where you have night communion and you don't step on midnight.

It feels like night is a long stretch of time where you could find some night. I don't know man. I don't know. OK. So it's just the option was started 1140 or not at all. Maybe you can't get the wafers or whatever or there's no wine. People are pushing away for guys giving me the run around again. Jerry's late or Jerry and Larry's like I don't know if I can do this. Oh it's always Larry. Yeah. OK. So you can imagine how much fighting there's over the communion. Sure. Well and it is in the spirit of what Jesus would have wanted. Jesus was all about. Yeah. This shit at the right big wall calendar guy. Big wall calendar guy into time. I mean yeah. Not just dates. No these are seven o'clock eight o'clock

nine o'clock nine o'clock. These are actual. I mean these are big sort of stone calendars. Giant calendars. So in 1634 he was brought before the court again for resisting the placement of a rail surrounding the communion table. He. OK. He was against a rail. They wanted to put up a rail around the communion table and someone had beef with it and he was like no you're not doing that. No I don't think I don't like the rail. Yeah. Now. Now chance he's not into the rail. No. Take the rail out. Looks like a VIP area. No. Communions for everyone. And by the way tell the bishop he's on notice. Chance he's here. Can't believe I'm back in bloody court again. So this time brought before the right brought before the

sure he's brought before him again. High order or whatever it is. This time they put him in prison for a little while. OK. All right. No fuck around the communion rail. Sure. No that's big. Yeah. And obviously he's furious again. Right. So after the second run in a fellow clergyman wrote in a letter Mr. Chauncey men's like a sour ale in summer. Men's like a sour ale in summer so he's not good. Yeah I think he I think he sounds there's a lot of negative. I think it's saying well there's a sour ale and it's not getting better. Right. So it's in the summer. He cast you keep it in my apartment you're screwed. Yeah. Yeah. He held he held a fast on Wednesday last which I guess you're also not supposed to do. Go

fast and on Wednesday. You're eating. Listen to us. You will eat. No. No. Not on Wednesday. No. Don't eat Wednesday. No. It's not right. I might have a better body of Christ later if you'll let me. No. Yeah. Maybe I would eat if there was a fucking rail right here. Yeah. Can't figure out how to get past the rail. What's the end under over through. Fuck you. No answer. Chauncey's confused. I'm going to murder the bishop. Let me continue later. And he with another preached some six or eight hours. So he's preaching on Wednesday. He's fasting. Right. Doing just crazy shit. Doing a lot of new stuff. I'm here and now I was just madness. Right. The whole tribe of Gad flocked tither. Sorry. Yep. Okay. Some three score from

Northampton the Lord say with his lady honored them with their presence. So I don't know what that means. Yeah. But I put it in there because can you do it one more time. People did not talk well. The whole tribe of Gad flocked tither. So I'm assuming a bunch of people came here and maybe Gad is a is a was supposed to be God but somehow God. God. I love God. Some three score from Northampton. So there's a distance. Sure. They came here. Right. 60 miles. The Lord say so 60 miles they came says said the Lord said. Okay. I saw them with his lady with his lady. That's easy and honored them with their presence. Okay. So what happened. So I think he preached in a bunch of people came. Okay. Way easier to say it that way. Yeah. You can cut. You can really

cut shit. Yeah. For a guy. Yeah. The community. The community was not his only disagreement. He was perhaps best known for his stand on baptism. Oh no. He was against washes. Oh boy. He's against a wash. He did not think the ceremony should just be sprinkling holy water over a person drown him but instead total immersion in water. This is so crazy. Even for infants. Oh no. You got dunk him otherwise God doesn't like it does he. Bishop's got it backwards doesn't he. Sprinkle. You don't get in heaven with a sprinkle. Go have a full dunk haven't you. Give the child the wash a dryer. Wash a dryer. Wash a dryer. It's why it's called dunking a baby. Yeah. That's why. I talked to God and he said very clearly he wants to dunk it. He wants a dunking baby. Not everyone's

on board with the dunking of babies. Okay. With Chauncey getting a following for his positions the church is apparently planning once again to confront him this time over the baptism nonsense. Okay. When he decided it was best to leave England for America. Okay. He formally recanted in February 1637 and fled to America arriving in Plymouth in 1638. Yeah Plymouth Rock hit me. There we go. Let's do this. Where are all my crazies at. Chauncey's in town looking for a bit of fun. He ministered there. Yeah I murdered the bishop back home yeah. Chauncey did yeah. He probably heard of Chauns haven't he. Yeah they put a rail around the communion. Not all right with me. Not okay. I thought you were going to do your signature. Chauncey's here isn't that your phrase.

Oh yeah sorry yeah yeah sorry yeah. No that was against the railing I was. You know I said I looked at him after I shot the bishop. Yeah that's right I had a gun. I shot him you know I said Chauncey's here. Yeah I didn't even have to say here because all the people knew the rest. I said Chauncey they said yeah and all I said is you know. So he ministers in Plymouth for three years okay and during that whole time he was basing having he's having the same fight over baptism. Okay now dunk him dunk him. Turns out the Plymouth people were even less down with the dunking of babies because it's New England and it's cold. Right right. So that's like it's like an ice baby. Well yeah you're essentially saying I mean I want you to die for God. Yeah I mean in any dunking it's going to be freezing water.

Yeah so during this time at Plymouth Chauncey got into heated debates with the religious and secular leaders of the colony over baptism. Wow. Chauncey taught that the only baptism was by full immersion and that was the only one that was valid while the separatist elders taught that sprinkling water over the body was just as valid. This is quite a debate I mean this really is. Yeah it really got into shit this is like this is like this is what happens. Sprinkle v dunking. Before TV, before podcasts, before newspapers and you just scream it about how much water to put on a baby. Right yeah I'm sure God really cares. He did this was this big. Yeah again I mean the guy like if you have that argument aren't you essentially saying this creature who you

believe lives in the sky is just obsessed with minutiae? He is he's just sitting up there all day like they're sprinkling. Yeah. Oh my god I won't be able to let any of them up here. Chauncey tell them dunkings. This is exactly how I think it happened. Okay. The religious leaders of the Plymouth colony held public debates to convince Chauncey. What my friend who thinks dunking is appropriate is missing is how much sprinkle water you're wasting in one single dunk and who's paying for that the taxpayer. Well yep. You nailed it. So they're trying to convince him to change his views and not you know kill babies with cold water. Sure. Chauncey would still not change his views. So the pilgrim leaders wrote to congregations in Boston and New Haven asking for their views.

Okay on the sprinkle dunk. So they're like let's get everybody on board and what maybe Chauncey why don't we find out what other people think. Well don't like it. No let's just try and see what everyone else thinks. Boston, New Haven, the other guys close by. We'll see what they think. Yeah. Why don't I get some other opinions. Yeah maybe I'll pay him a visit and ask the question in person. No no no no no no. And when I walk in I'll say Chauncey then. All the congregations wrote back that both forms of baptism were valid. Whoa whoa whoa. There's no rules. No but they're basically saying yeah go for the sprinkles it's fine. Sure okay. You don't have to kill a baby. Right. But dunking is also acceptable. Yeah but

but that means in the summer you can dunk when it's not. I think that's a fair compromise. Summer dunks, winter sprinkles. Yeah. So everyone's on board. Sprinkling is fine. Still. Chauncey refused to change. Nah they're wrong too. Now now. Now you gotta dunk. You're all fucking wrong. Go dunk. Finally he was dismissed from his position at Plymouth because quote because of his quote advocacy for the baptism of infants by immersion caused dissatisfaction. Okay. So they're very nice. Pretty accurate. Yeah. From what I've heard. So he's off to a new job. Okay. What. This time to Skitchwit. Sure. Is that a place? No. Skitchwit? You're not gonna know. You're from England. I think it's Skitchwit. I think it's

my wife's from Massachusetts. I think it's Skitchwit. Sure. Skitchwit. A church member of course is not going to be. No. A church member wrote Skitchwit. Dave's an idiot though. A church member wrote about it in a letter to England quote Mr. Chauncey and the church at Plymouth are two part. At a day of fast he openly professed he did as verily believe the truth of his opinions as that there was a God in heaven and that he was settled in it as the earth was upon the center. Okay. So he's like doubling down. He's like this is the word of God and I'm as convinced as the earth has a middle part. He is the leader of a cult who sees the FBI closing in and he's like everyone must blow me and give me your money. He's the only guy of the cult. Right. That's

true. That is the difference in the Chauncey cult. Keep going. I profess how it is possible to keep peace with a man so adventurous who will vent what he lists and maintain what he vents. It's beyond all the skills I have to conceive. Wow. So he's calling Chauncey a fucking crazy asshole. Yeah. And that he can't deal with anymore. But Chauncey would not stop trying to explain the righteousness of his opinions. He published a pamphlet. The doctrine of the sacrament with the right use thereof in which he kept on with his baby ducking. More baby, more pro baby ducking. He's really not letting it go. No. Right down. Right. Okay. In Skituit Chauncey found a more welcoming community or at least one that tolerated his theories on baptism. Well he probably had

toned it down a little. He probably like started smaller now that he'd had a couple runs of going big all the way. So he probably maybe rolled in. Or is this a smaller town with not a lot of babies coming? I still I think you if you're him you're putting you're doing feeler conversations. No I like that too. Yeah. You know I've always liked sports. Bit athletic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I uh uh some people are saying you can only sprinkle you know a baby for baptism. I feel like you should dunk him you know. What? You have a dunk a baby. No. For God yeah. Fucking dunk a baby. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I have to kill this one with Chauncey's here. Chauncey's away. And oh you're still here. Hey mate. Yeah. Yeah. No I was just saying yeah. Yeah. No it's good talking

to you mate. Yeah. Kill this guy cause Chauncey's here. What? Can I get a little room please? Can I get a little what? I have to put a rail between us. Chauncey's here. So he's been in Skituit for a year now. Okay. And then he has the chance to practice what he preaches. Chancy. Yeah. When he publicly baptized his own twin sons. Oh no. By full immersion. No the boys are getting dunked. Yeah. This sounds like this sounds like ours a lot ain't mom. The plan backfired when one of his sons passed out to being dunked due to being dunked in the cold water. Oh my god. Yeah. So that passed out slash died didish. Well didish is nice I guess sure. Oh man. And did he go one at a time or did he go double dunk. I bet he double dunked. He double dunked. I bet he did.

I mean what would you do. I think I was sure. Well if I had ultimate faith in the fact that you're twins maybe maybe don't maybe do one at a time. I think I would go one at a time just to see if it works. It's probably one at a time. Cause then you see the first one you're like ah we'll do him tomorrow. We'll do the other one tomorrow. We're going to come back tomorrow and do this one. So Massachusetts governor John Winthrop recorded in his journal in 1642 quote Mr. Chancy of Skitchwood persevered in his opinion of dipping during baptism and practiced accordingly. First upon two of his own which being in very cold weather one of them swooned away. Swooned. Which I looked at it means passed out. Okay. Totally passed out. Yeah I mean we yeah okay.

But that just makes me wonder how long he tossed that baby under the water. Yeah well it's also a baby. Yeah the mother of a child who was supposed to be baptized at the same event. Ah something came up. I just realized that something has come up. Oh I have to go look at me pews. Um oh god I know what it was. I didn't shut the door. I have to go shut the door. I will be right back and we will put her in the water. Leave the baby. No no no she's got to come too because the keys to the door are in her let me finish our in let me finish our in her cloth area but only she knows where in there they are. So I have to take her too. You take her right. Yeah. That's a devil baby. Oh well we'll just go shut the door. I can't wait to dunk her. That's gonna be fun to dunk her and have her

dunked. Yeah. All right excuse me guys. Hey hey hey. Devil baby coming through. Run run run run. Look at him. Run run. Look for the horns. So she wouldn't let it happen and she went to take her baby from Chauncey and according to Governor Winthrop quote quote near pulled him into the water. Okay so Chauncey. So they're fighting over a baby in in the fucking water. Right. I assume a cold river. Yeah I assume. She's fighting with a priest over her own baby in the water. Okay you've said it. After that Chauncey agreed to give the mother a letter that allowed her to take her baby to Boston have it baptized through the less traumatic ceremony of sprinkling water. So he gave in on that baby. On that one baby. Because I think they fought so much and it got so weird. Because it was

a controversial baby. Well if it gets weird if you're fighting over a baby. Right. And then then you're like oh that one. Yeah to the Lord he said yeah this one can be sprinkled. But all the others must be dunked. Chauncey was also loudly outspoken and against the halfway doctrine which was a policy adopted in many Puritan churches that allowed children of non-baptized members to be baptized and accepted into the church. Children of non-baptized members to be baptized in the church. So you're just looking for numbers. So yeah so they're looking for numbers and he's saying fuck that they're not real. Right because the parents haven't been. But then that also creates a situation where no one can then get baptized because unless you marry into it. But it's all

fucked up. I mean I guess. Well yeah but the truth is yeah but you could I think like you trace it. No but if you trace it back far enough someone's parents weren't baptized. Right. So then like your great great great grandparents weren't baptized. Well then your great great grandparents and your great grandparents and your grandparents and your parents and yours null and void. See I didn't know you knew math. Well I do a lot of math. So obviously allowed the church to have greater numbers and political influence but people like Chauncey thought it allowed non-believers into the church because obviously people are insane. Chauncey had a bunch of offers now to return to England. Okay. So people are like he's killing it over there he's killing it get him back.

Do you hear what he did with the babies. Dude is legit. Yeah. Okay. And what did he do with the babies. He dunked him and almost killed one of his. And that's it. Let's get him back. Is that it. That's yeah. I mean you know I think he wrote that thing. So he gets one guest star and now he's going on tour. We also wrote that pamphlet thing. Oh I forgot about the great pamphlet. He is a smart guy. Sure. No. He doesn't know a bunch of languages. Sure. Yeah. A language of murder. Murder. So but just as he was about to go and take one offer and go back and head back across the Atlantic he got a great opportunity. Harvard College president Henry Dunster was forced to resign because he came out in favor of baptism for adults only. Oh boy. So let's just say this is a

different time. I really was like this. I couldn't think that there would be another weird angle for someone to take on baptism but then the one guy is just like sprinkling or dunking doesn't matter. It's an age thing. It's really. Some periodants argued that infants. I believe it's a height restriction. We're not. Anyone under this cannot be tized. They have a little like it's like a six flex thing. Sorry. Just somebody Sam's hand. I'm a dwarf. No sir. Well you're not allowed in heaven. OK. Some periodants argued that infants were not capable of being baptized because they as innocents could not have had a religious religious experience that called them to accept the church. How it is. I mean that is like this is all crazy but that is true. Yeah. I mean that is

actually true. We actually hit on something. We were like all right. Yeah. So they're basically saying that a person of self will right. Well that somebody chooses. You should choose. But in a lot of like I mean a lot of religions but unlike like Baptist religions at like four or five years old you make a deal with God and it's like a ceremony where yeah where you like you're supposed to you basically sign a deal saying that your life will be devoted to God. But the way it's presented to you is in a way where it's like you don't have to sign this. But if you do everyone celebrates and you get presents. So it's your call and then you're like OK and everyone's like I'm so proud of you for coming to the pressure that we put you under. Here's your here's your Tonka. If

you don't sign it you don't get any presents. Yeah. And you feel weird. So then you sign it and then when people when you're like 15 people like it's a shame you signed that contract with God. I was four and a half. That is a little weird. I'll just a little. So so so this the Harvard College president is basically asked to leave Harvard because of his controversial view on it. He's an agent. He's an agent. Then a Reverend Chauncey the Charles Chauncey was offered the position as president of Harvard. And this is one of those. This is basically what happens in politics too which is where someone does something that you don't like and the swing is so far in the other direction. This guy is just in the right place at the right time. Yeah. He's like we should be

baptizing all babies. Well I'll tell you it's not the age thing. It's crazy enough to work. So there's one stipulation to him being president of Harvard. Can I guess. He would have to shut the fuck up. About his controversial views on Puritan beliefs and focus on running the college. I.E. no more dunking ship. Now in 1654 now in his 60s Chauncey the crazy minister became Chauncey the academic bureaucrat and the second president of Harvard. Oh wow. He held the job of president and did well at it for more than 15 years at a growing Harvard College. The only controversy that happened was when he dunking graduate. He insisted he should get a salary bump. He got an annual salary of 100 pounds. Most of it paid in goods. It wasn't much considering

Chauncey had a wife eight children and three servants. Jesus. Despite many appeals to the colonial legislate. He was probably out there trying to baptize more of them to have less mouths to feed. Or just I know we lost four more today. Who wants pancakes. I feel like hey how about a buck a buck a baptism. What do you say. A buck a bee. Come on baby. I'll dunk your baby. Let's go. I'll sprinkle him. Bail the bucket. Toss him this way. Thank you. Next. Thank you. He never got a raise. OK. Under Chauncey about seven students who graduated a year. So shit was he's doing well. Killing it right. Throughout his career as president Chauncey acquired a reputation for being quote a most incomparable scholar. So he was actually a really smart dude. Right.

He just had a when he set aside the fucking crazy all the crazy things he thought that God wanted him to do when he just let when he let go of the little things. To me I think the dunking thing is one of those things where you say it and you just make a deal with yourself that you'll never back down from saying it. And then no matter what anyone says you're still just sticking to your stupid guns because he's an arguer and he said a thing and he's like that's what I believe. I've only lost one son. That's one. I've dunked. Two. Two. Shit. This is what I do. All right. I drop little Bobby in the poll. All right. Look he went under total in couldn't find him. Came up with a turtle. Complete number. Not the same. Not the same. But again I've said

this to my wife many times. My wife was also dead from dunking. A turtle. I agree is not not a boy. But that's what we've got. And we sent into school. Religion's a good thing. Yeah. This story if it tells you anything it's that don't question is a calming influence. Don't question. In turbulent times. Don't question it. Yeah. Because God hates questioning. Yes. He doesn't mind a little sprinkle. Right. But he hates a dunking. We sign babies. That's right. All right. Dunk him.