The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 292 - Badass Lawyer Vincent Hallinan

Episode Date: September 12, 2017

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine San Francisco lawyer Vincent Hallinan. SOURCESTOUR DATES REDBUBBLE MERCH

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what man of mountains and clock watcher Dave Anthony read the story from American history to his friend Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about do people not get it yet they don't get it yet you can end sentences and prepositions however you want baby you can end sentences there is no rule that says you can't end a sentence in a preposition it's all in your head yeah it's not a lifestyle yeah it's not real people yeah it's not real all right are you doing Seinfeld I'm loving it what's the deal it's not real what's the deal with prepositions prepositions are they prepping or are

they decisions it's like a frat boy met a proposition preposition God you want to look who to do one bottle people say this is funny not Gary Gareth Dave okay someone or something is tickling people is it for fun and this is not gonna come to tickling clock okay you are queen fakie of made-up town all hell queen shit of Liesville a bunch of religious virgins go to mingle and do what? Hi Gary No?

Is he done my friend? No No December 16th 1896 Vincent Hallamann Is that, do you look at me there to see like if I have any idea who that is? It's just dramatic pause oh you have no idea who this guy is Okay yeah

No come on Jesus Christ We can say it for most people but I mean you have no fucking no clue you don't have no idea who this guy is nothing just nothing at all like you have absolutely no Dave shut up There's no fucking way Dave shut up And like how could you

Dave He was born in San Francisco to a large Irish Catholic family Okay He was the third of seven kids All right His father Patrick was an Irish immigrant who had been a member of the Invincibles Not the soccer team No no

A violent splinter group Oh I'm thinking of the Incredibles Oh you're thinking of the movie Yeah Although I think it's based on a book That's a cartoon I think it's based on a book Okay

They were a splinter group, a violent splinter group of the Irish Republican Brotherhood So they were the people who would torture people by putting splinters in them The Invincibles were a sat- People always think, they always write like I can't believe you missed that joke No I heard it Well I don't think that's one to, that's not one to highlight You miss bangers No I heard it

The Invincibles were assassins who targeted authorities Patrick was said to have left Ireland because he helped kill a rent collector who worked for a notorious landlord Okay So that's why the family gets out of Ireland Because Patrick killed, his dad killed A rent collector A rent collector

That's how you get free rent Yeah That's the way you do it That's exactly how you get free rent Just kill the guy I think I'm gonna go killin' ya The family lived in San Francisco until the 1906 earthquake After the earthquake there's a bunch of inflation and Patrick could no longer afford rent with

his cable car operator job Well I would hate to be the guy who's going to knock on that door Right Yeah So you're behind Why am I being stabbed? Oh yeah I got it right here Patrick asked a prominent lawyer, so he stops paying rent, they get an eviction notice

Patrick asked a prominent lawyer named Charles Hagerty for help Hagerty was a regular writer on Patrick's cable car What? Wait It was just a different time This is how networking went? I guess that's what, I guess it was where you like met a guy like you would know everyone on the cable car

Right Every day you say, hey Patrick Hey Hey Hagerty, how you doing? Hey We got it, I mean that would be a great, that would have been like a great pitch back then and you'd be like alright so this is a show about a bunch of people who the only time their lives cross over is the cable car

Right You know how you're always seeing your friend on the cable car and you make all your cable car friends? Yeah I mean I met my wife on the goddamn cable car Right Yeah so this show is about everyone on the cable car I met my son on a cable car

Exactly, exactly and we have a great title for it Yeah People meeting as their paths cross What's this on? Because we don't have radio yet I'm just writing, I'm just drawing pictures Okay It's not going well

I know I like it Yeah Alright It's a good pitch Yeah By the way I just What's a pitch? By the way I'm just a shoe shine man

I know, but if I can, are you interested? Yeah So I would say I have an overall with you? Sure First look Yep Wide script I can be the first, I don't know what, now I don't know what happened, I make shoe

shinier Great That's great Okay Perfect So we got a deal? Yes My guy will call you your guy

Alright I love doing it People make people lunch So he asked this guy on the cable car to represent him and Patrick and he tells Patrick he'll do it for you charge He's like I got this Patrick, you drive me every morning Okay So the lawyer's so good that he got all the rent that they hadn't paid wiped out and the landlord had to pay the family a settlement

Oh God So that's how good the fucking lawyer was Okay And right then nine-year-old Vincent Halonen decided he was going to be a lawyer Oh boy Oh dear He was obsessed with becoming an attorney Sure

His law career kicked off at 19 Okay He took law classes in the day at what is now San Francisco University and at night he attended more informal lectures at a nearby adult school, one day he just barged into the offices of a well-known lawyer named Daniel Ryan and asked for a job Okay Did he know it from the cable car? No I think this is just a guy I think you either met someone on the cable car or you

just barged into their office I'm not sure which play I'm going to go with, I think I'm going to do a barging How you doing a barge? I'm going to barge Barges are great I'm going to barge I mean I've been cable car for two months and things are slow I know

So I barged two or three last week and I have a couple that I might pan out That's great Yeah, no I killed the landlord too Oh my God Yeah, so it's either I'm either barging, I'm cable car or I'm stabbing That's great Yeah, it's great, things are good That's great

Alright I have to break you See you later See you later man Okay It's nothing about you So this guy just gives him a job and after a few weeks of clerical work Ryan had Vincent trying cases

Okay So just jump into it man Okay Now this is back when Is that how law works? Is it like a God-given gift? I feel like Well this is when you just had to be like, I can tuck your pants off

Right Like that was Right, okay There were no rules, just about anybody could be a lawyer at this point Okay Right So at this point judges ran the tests for the bar and they were not strict at all, like if you knew a guy

Oh, okay Some lawyers had never filed a brief or been in a courtroom Sure And then they That's fun, it's kind of like a fantasy camp Yeah And they would just win their cases by bribing cops Okay

I'm not seeing a lot of law practicing Vincent started with small crimes in police courts and he kept winning and then he started being able to support his family while he was going to school and then in 1919 the California Bar Association took over licensing and they made the bar much harder and acquired everyone to pass it So people like got a retake Yeah Now everything changed

This was basically to trim like ambulance chase attorneys and then also it also just happened to result in big rich firms having monopolies just coincidentally that happened Sure That's not a cause, right? No, no, yeah, right So Vincent took the test when he was 22 and he passed on his first try and graduated from law school two years later Okay

So he just picked it, I mean he is He became a lawyer and then he went to school for being a lawyer Right Yeah, that's how it works, right? I know that's a surgeon's do it That's what they should do with like EMTs Yeah Just throw guys in it and you just learn on the fly on this one boys

Yeah Alright, we do a lot of tracheotomies because we're not sure We go trach most times He's got a broken leg Tracheotomy Tracheotomy Tracheotomy Get his throat or whatever it's called open

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So uh, starts making a lot of money Vincent also gained reputation for being a quote lion in the court very early in his career Well there's a lot of lion lawyers Am I right? Am I His son Khan Oh boy

Seal NN, so it's not a really terrible name but a son Khan Is still Later he said quote he didn't try cases he waged war Vincent believed his duty was to do anything and everything for a client, okay? Now Vincent became known for punching other lawyers. Wow, so he's or is he like to call it settling out of court? Oh, well, it's weird because I was like, I don't like that move and then I hear what it's labeled as and I'm like I love the man. I love the move. Yeah. Well, I think we might have to settle out of court What do you mean see you outside for a shit-kicking?

Uh, he was a championship boxer in college and if he got mad enough in court He'd surprised the opposing attorney with a shot to the face. Wow. How does that go over? I don't think it went over well, but I also feel like This is such a crazy rough-and-tumble time That people that it's just kind of like yeah, that's how Right you can punch a guy in court. Yeah back then. It's like yeah. Well Larry was by the way should still be that way Yeah, I agree. I would say I think that's cool Oh, my dad would get punched so much

Who would my dad was yet a lawyer? Oh, yeah, it's not good. Oh boy. So I understand he passed the bar He was he was recorded to be in at least 28 courtroom fights Okay, and one all but one of them. So they do and they here's what I find shocking the thank you that they have winners and losers There's a record One draw I'm sure the judge attorney. I'm sure the judge is like bang bang that one went to Patrick Coming in at this table weighting 280 pounds You know him you love him. He became a lawyer that he passed the bar

Patrick Wait of justice Whatever your last name was. Oh, my name's actually Vince. Oh shit. I was thinking of your dad That's all right So the funny he lost was when he took on a young corporate lawyer named Paul Dana and Dana Unbeknownst to Vincent was a former professional boxer So are they just starting to like beef up their law firm teams with just these kind of hulkish men who are just sort of like Uh, yeah, I don't know what it is. But if he steps out of line, then it's my time to settle

The whole system that I think we gotta settle out of court Yeah, I mean it just sounds like each you had to you had to hire like some Lunatic you got to hire the muscle. Yeah So they argued in the hall while the jury was deliberating and then Vincent just threw him a surprise left hook Just out of nowhere. Okay, the old sucker punch sucker punch and he sent Dana sprawling to the ground and then Dana's fellow attorneys came over and helped him up and Vincent just assumed the fight was over and so he's relaxed and then Dana just Fucking smashed him with the right. Okay Vincent said quote

That's when I saw three Danas in front of me and I figured the real one was probably in the middle and I rushed it Unfortunately, the middle figure middle figure could punch good enough without the help from the other two. Okay He knows what really happened though, right? I don't know. Okay Vincent's first real legal battle wasn't in San Francisco. It was in a tiny Central Valley town called Hanford Jenny Brown was a foster mother who put her kids to work on her ranch and Lee camp was one of the foster kids But now he'd grown up, but he still worked there and then one day he died when he fell from a tall building what got him From the what killed him. Yeah, I think he had pneumonia the corner ruled it an accidental death and

Jenny Brown was visibly the straw. How is the corner allowed to make that call? That's the corner's job the app but an accidental fall isn't Just bought in body and the corner. Yeah, I don't know I could tell by the clutch fist See didn't see this one coming the way the way. It was a little calm The way his hands are full of the shrapnel from the roof. You know how his face looks like a melon someone smashed Get him mean this one. It's an accident I'm gonna rule it an accident But then it came out the camp had $80,000 in savings and several life insurance policies all of which went to Jenny Brown

Oh, so rumors start a swirling Which is a swirling a swirling I said, so it's which leads to the insurance company stopping payment on the claim and hiring a detective Okay, so shit's getting fucking real. Okay police reopened the case and then after a Grand jury It started a grand jury investigation Everyone who lived and worked at the ranch was indicted for murder. Wow

Okay, I think it's just four people though Anyway, that's it sound like a lot more Vincent wasn't sure if you wanted to take the case until he heard local law enforcement had led a detective Working for the insurance company call all the shots So now he's like oh, I want it. You don't like that. I don't like that shit This Vincent represented one of the guys Johnny Tipton and the other defendants had their own attorneys who were all older Country guys from around there. I would I like to answer your question with a question on my own The guys with the kerchief always on the neck

There's just two more things and I want to thank you again for making the trip down here today Well, I am Parch could I have some lemonade now? I have another glass of that delicious homemade lemonade your wife Lucille blessed us all with today in the cult in the cult room So Most of those guys didn't know the details of the case and they really look like they didn't give a shit But that changed one day After Vincent filed a motion to have the case dismissed

He's talking to the judge and he cites all the reasons why it should be thrown out and then the district attorney comes up and Defends his actions The the quote impromptu death scene investigation by saying it wasn't official And then he said that he had arrived a half hour late to the scene. Oh my god, and that's when one of the local folksy country Attorneys stood up. Oh, you're honor and asked quote When the transcript didn't state that the prosecutor was late and the DA didn't answer So the attorney walked up and smacked the DA in the face with a copy of the transcript hitting him so hard that he drew

Blood. Oh my god And then he followed up by throwing a large book. Oh, by the way, no need for a follow-up And then he followed up by throwing a large book at the DA before the bailiff wrestled him down into his seat But then he still kept throwing books at the DA. So the bailiff had to hold his arms down Oh, okay, the number of things are popping up here. Where's he getting all the books? I mean, they must have books all over the table Is this where the expression throw the book at you comes from might be it might it might have something to do with that I mean

Who knows Dave, let's just say it is after this the DA Passed the case over to a hot shop prosecutor who was clearly brought in by the insurance companies The trial in the press became known as the windmill murder trial. So he must have fallen off a windmill Mm-hmm every day. He didn't everybody's a local start packing the the courtroom. Okay And they'd sit there in a hundred degree heat for hours trial goes on and slowly Everyone in the call the people turned against Vincent's clients Okay towns people started publicly saying that they would like to see Jenny Brown and her workers hung Okay, there's closing remarks Vincent spent three hours attacking the prosecutor for being in the pocket of the insurance companies

and Told him to apologize to Jenny Brown for accusing her of murder Really goes for that is just bold. That's really I think most of the people that we talk about on this podcast are fence swingers Yeah That's a serious fence swing and that's a real and beyond that say you're sorry Processing a cute attorney was apparently pissed because he got up and gave a six-hour speech and whipped the crowd into frenzy He started by talking about American patriotism and then he said

They were witnesses to the crime even though there were none and Then he implored the citizens of Hanford to quote be prepared to take the law into your own hands Oh, God by this time he jumped up and was standing on the table pointing at the audience yelling Quote now. What are you going to do about a gentleman? What are you gonna do about it? Wow? So that really happens closing statement is we need to tell these motherfuckers I mean so that this this is really The this happens this feels like a Tom Cruise movie, but it's it's okay So the audience is just in a total fucking rage, although they didn't kill anyone. Oh

Dave, I didn't think they were gonna kill anyone. They somehow stopped it the next day the jury Declared all for guilty of murder. Okay now something now the whole thing might have been swayed by the the hundreds of people screaming Kill them, but right So Vincent brought a gun with him to the sentencing, but he didn't have to use it And then the murder conviction was later overturned in an appeals court because of the insane closing arguments Okay, they had a second trial in which Vincent got all four ranches acquitted So that they got overturned because the how crazy the closing statement just fucking sound on a table saying let's tear him apart Right, okay, right you can't

I mean, there's not many rules. There were some rules. I mean, I feel like that. I'm not okay with that rule I think you should be allowed to you should be allowed to jump out of table So now the Vincent has a bug up his ass about insurance companies. Okay, this is all put on by the insurance company, right? Right So you start taking a lot of big entry cases which put him up against insurance companies and big corporations And after one a few times he starts noticing that his cases would always go in front of the same three judges Oh Curious and in those cases which he usually would win The judge with an overturned the decision claiming insufficient evidence God

Did he find that alarming or strange? Well, he also started looking into other stuff and he found that most of the jurors Were wealthy and pro-business and there were no working-class guys. Did he find anything strange though? And many many of those guys on the jury worked for insurance companies Specifically the ones that were being sued at the time so He starts going after the media he starts going to the media and going after this setup in the press and he starts harassing the courts Anyway, couldn't a few months later

Working-class people start getting put on juries for the first time, okay? And Vincent Helen and became known as the attorney who took down San Francisco's corrupt jury system Okay, but the powers to be weren't done. Oh boy They never are Dave in the middle of a case two drifters That's never a good sign Okay Approached Vincent and Said they would be witnesses if he paid them

They had nothing that they'd never say they were just gonna say they'd lie. I had nothing to do with it They're just looking for a can of beans or whatever they did back then Do it for beans We'll say anything for beans What do you want? So like out of a ladle or just in a can oh man a ladle be unbelievable, but a can is all I'm asking But a ladle I'd feel like royalty So I'll say anything. What do you need me to say just that you're a fucking idiot? All righty

Can't wait to get my mouth on that ladle And so Vincent passed on this great proposition Since that would be perjury But then he gave him some lunch money as they were drifted Set them off. Oh, and then that day when he shows up in court There's the two drift drifters who testified to a grand jury that Vincent had bribed them to lie You're the one who's gonna be begging for beans Vincent that motherfucker gave us lunch Yeah

The two drifters that came back and asked him for another bribe this time to go away wait The working both ends but wait does he lie now there and now they're like look we won't do any more testifying We're hungry again. Yeah, we you know what now it's not time. We're hungry for another dinner. So hungry But this time when they were when they were talking to Vincent a cop was there who just happened to be trailing him and Vincent was Arrest arrested for bribery Jesus, but Vincent knew who the cop was Okay, and then he was on the payroll of another attorney So he hired that attorney To be his attorney for the case

And then the cop changed the story and the charges were dropped. Oh my god smart That's genius fucking insane. That's smart. It is smart, but it's also crazy. It's crazy It's definitely it's all in this guy moves with all he goes all in. Yeah In 1932 a former attempt to a cop Frank Egan Who had become the city's first public defender and was totally loved in the city so much so that he could have been mayor But unfortunately, he ran into trouble. Did he tell people that it sounds like a kind of sad story Want him to be mayor people like you Frank you got a run. Okay, Frank I'm picturing it like a weird guy. I was like, you know, I could have been there. I love me. I was real popular

So he's living this lavish lifestyle that he really can't afford on his salary. Okay, so he starts Taking over the finances of several rich elderly women You know needed help What he's just starts like widows or whatever and they've got tons of cash So he just I'll help you out. He's a respected man around town. He says he'll help him out Says he'll help invest their money and then use the money to take care and pay their bills all that stuff But he was just he's just taking all the money. He's just fucking grabbing it running and then he started having some of them killed Wait, uh, we're there. Let's go above the fold when it's time and then and their life insurance

Okay, so he's killing women for money. Yeah, right. Okay different than what I was picturing This is a not not the normal mayoral behavior. No, no, I mean to think we almost had him a mayor. Yeah So One night a woman Egan Watched over was found dead in the street. Okay, and Egan called the insurance companies to start processing her life insurance policies. Well, that's a real Kennedy move, huh? So she's still on the street. Yeah, yeah, but we can probably just let's let's get the numbers out and then we'll check the pulse Yeah, yeah, we'll get we'll get to you know, we'll get to everybody

The victim is still breathing ladies and gentlemen the victim is still breathing. It's me. Can we get the paperwork? Good Lord. We've got one breathing victim here and everyone's freaking out about old Denny The police then called it murder and said they wanted to question Egan at that point Egan called the police and said at that moment. He's being kidnapped by two men Well, I got a run. I'm getting kidnapped by these guys So I'm gonna have to jump off come find me. They're light on specifics Okay, why'd you call? I'm getting kidnapped and I just need you guys to find me. I gotta go I'm being so rude to the guys though. They're waiting on me. They let you go. They let you call

I mean life is a comedy of errors. I have to run find me find me find me find me Okay, thank you. Yeah. All right Hang up. I'm trying to make another call. Okay. Thank you. Yeah So he I think you have to actually hit your down receiver. Yeah, you're still there. Yeah, go ahead and hang that up So he goes into hiding and then his wife Is worried that he might commit suicide so she hires Vincent Okay To track him down which he did and then he checked Egan into a mental hospital saying he had a breakdown

Okay, and that's why he faked the whole kidnapping business Mmm, and probably murdered the ladies. I guess I he just trying to muddy the waters Is that what he's doing? I don't know So Egan is not in the mental hospital for weeks Please start put together a case and they're doing it so quickly that it's making Vincent very suspicious Like it's like the quickest anybody's ever put together a murder case. I was done He's wondering how they can know so much so quickly after the murder and then Vincent told the press the cops were after Egan Because he was becoming way too powerful

Which turns out a year before the murder the police had bugged an office and heard Egan talking about killing the woman Okay But they never try to stop it Yeah, right What I mean, don't play that tape they never protected the woman They just kind of let it happen. Oh the tape. No and then she gets murdered and then and then They knew that these two cons were involved and and it turns out the the two cons immediately admitted that they did it on

On Egan's order and they were gonna try and kidnap her or take her somewhere to kill her But then she wouldn't get in the car So they pummeled her in the head and then they put her in a sheen drove over which you know, you gotta do not great ad limit You gotta make it look There's better audibles So now public with it now the city is Furious the city hero is a monster and they want him dead, right but Vincent

In the trial manages to keep him off death row Just life in prison even though he always said that he didn't do it. Okay, the guy never admitted to it Now just for the Egan case happened Vincent and started dating Vivian Moore. She's 14 years younger She was super hot boy. It is such a crazy time that when you say 14 I sometimes aren't it's I'm not expecting years younger. I'm just expecting. That's the age. Well, okay, so this is 1932 He was born in okay, so she's now. She's not too young. You always gotta check on that kind of stuff because because when you say 14 years younger at this at this this

Year you might be like, oh, she was dead. Yeah, so uh, no, she's she's legal age. So Uh, she's unpredictable. She loves adventure after the trial Vivian and Vincent drove up to Reno and got married and then they came back to the That's San Francisco and police immediately arrested Vincent and forced him to serve a night in jail for contempt So it's like his wedding night and they're like Why is he contempt it was something that happened in the past. Okay? Probably punched a guy probably punch price settled out of court. So Vincent. Why I ought to settle out of court with that guy This was begging not to do it, but they did did it anyway and in the FBI files on the couple

Jed Gerhoover described Vivian and Vincent's marriage as quote a case of one warped personality marrying another Okay. Well, yeah, there's always a good voice of reason. We should do him. Yeah I know very little some odd. It seems that there's some strange stuff there apparently now Vincent didn't get much work after the Egan case because obviously he defended a fucking monster, right? But he owned some apartment buildings and then Vivian started fixing them up and then she went on to buy more buildings and They became one of San Francisco's biggest landlords Okay, but unlike other property owners Vivian was happy to rent to African Americans. Okay Vivian's rental income made the couple one of the wealthiest in San Francisco and Vivian

Ended up being the real breadwinner making him multi-millions, right? So they fucking load it. Okay They bought a mansion in Ross, which is near I grew up Which if you don't know it if you think of Marin as the whitest place on earth Ross is the whitest place within the whitest place on earth Oh boy, so it's it's super fucking. It's the eye of the storm. It's it's the eye of the storm It's just full white all the time So there they are six boys They often pissed off their Republican neighbors by hosting political fundraisers and pool parties where most of the guests were black

Okay, the neighbors had no idea the guests included progressive activists like W. E. Du Bois, uh-huh and Paul Robeson, okay, so these are big fucking names, but they don't give a shit Yeah, yeah, but what brought the Halemans real trouble was Vincent's defense of Harry Bridges Bridges was an Australian immigrant who started the international longshoreman Longshore and warehouse union and in 1934 he led a strike that shut down all the docks from San Francisco to San Diego Please ended up attacking the strikers and killed seven of them Lord, which was just standard for back. Yeah That's how you have a strike, right? How many of us are gonna die? We're going on seven to thirty then you'll stop

This led to a general strike in San Francisco with all the unions and all the people and completely shut down the city for four days So Bridges becomes his hero in the labor movement, but an enemy to big business And it was said when FDR was president. He knew what time Bridges had lunch every day like he was so watched over okay, I Mean did he actually want the information? Hey, my he might have a 20 12 20 sir. I mean, I'm gonna eat right right when he does What does Bridget? I'm what what does Bridges having lunch today? Well, it's hard for us to know when he's having lunch yesterday I'm we don't know exactly when he's having lunch, but yesterday had lunch at 12 20 today. We're expecting around 12 45 What's he eating? He's having an egg salad sandwich. Okay. Give me an egg salad sandwich. It's 12 45

Sir, if I may yeah, yeah, um, yeah, there are pressing issues that what's going on with the sandwich. We getting that done Yeah, I'll I'll get out of here in a second and I'll I'll get into that We have we have some I just said I'm worried that maybe you focus too much on it's 12 45, right? That's that that's the time that this guy's having the Sandwich that egg salad is that what you said? Okay. Well, let's get you the sandwich and then you can just eat it at 12 45, sir Good talk did I tell you that if I don't eat an egg salad sandwich is the same time as him time will fracture yep Yeah, no, no, I got all your postcards That you handed to me. I write a lot. I can get a lot of words on those. Oh, yeah, no, they are got a lot of way

Yeah, my right tiny tiny writing. I write small tiny writing and many many eggs out, okay So he's his big hero now the Red Scare is happening and he's labeled the communist bridges is in a 1940 Congress passed the Alien Registration Act to deploy Aliens who were like well not seen as not great for the government mostly communists, okay, and they added language specifically targeting bridges for deportation, okay Which he then spent years fighting in court and trying to prove he wasn't a communist They was just a union guy and in 1945 bridges became a US citizen But then three years later the government said he had perjured himself by denying he was a communist

So he hired Vincent this time, okay? How long until we go back to the time? I mean, we're we're very close when we go back to labeling people something so that you can try them Completely illegally for nothing other than other than just what you think they believe in their super close Vincent discussed this with his family because If he took this case and started defending bridges, they would just be fucking hated, right and And his whole family thought he should do it because this is the right thing to do boy That Christmas someone painted a hammer and sickle on their driveway. Well, boy, which the Vincent's never washed off

Okay, well because they were like it'll just get replaced Vincent learned that since 1934 why did I call the Vincent's the hand the hand Halinans Vincent learned that since 1934 the government had it enlisted 125 witnesses to testify to Bridges communist affiliation and All of them were discredited at one time or another, okay? So they were just hiring fucking snitches a hundred twenty-five snitches to say that a guy's communist With examples or whatever. He's just a union guy, right?

Usually The guy the people the witnesses were former communists who had been forced Oh, it gets so sticky and weird when you're like the leverage game where you're like, all right for the thing that I'm not I'll say that he is so you believe I'm not please. It's never stopped So they would pay them off or they would threaten to put him in prison Or they would threaten to deport their families and then these guys would all say that Bridges turn over for sure So Vincent learned this and he thought well, he might be able to win this case So the prosecuting attorney was the very successful George Donahue who was brought in as a special attorney for the government

I've actually got his own talk show. He got yeah, we're gonna get to that later. He also married chapter in George's life So Vincent Donahue already hated each other and they were openly hostile to each other But for them that month for for Vincent open hostility must be very very open So they're sniping back and forth inside the courtroom and outside it never stops Vincent one once threatened to kick Donahue's ass Okay, but the problem was is that Donahue could get away with anything while they're in court But Vincent would always get punished because he's so he's like communist right, okay, right? So a few days into the trial the judge read a two-hour-long speech that ripped into Vincent accusing him of purposely

Delaying the court. Okay, he then held Vincent in contempt and sentenced him to six months in jail It's gonna affect the case to be served immediately. Oh my god So you're just like wait no and the judge said he was taking Vincent off Bridges case Which then there's a huge upper on the court and Bridges is like nah, I want my fucking attorney So then the judge realizes he's a step too far and that instead of facing a mistrial He he said he agreed to delay Vincent's sentence until the until the trials over, okay So now Vincent so now Vincent just wants to have the longest trial ever. Yeah, and he also doesn't give two fucks He's like I'm going to fucking jail, right? So I'm going out

so one morning he comes in and with it puts a massive pile of documents on his desks and Then he apologizes to the court because he says he's gonna ask that every single one of the prosecution Prosecues prosecutions witnesses be arrested for perjury. Okay, and no one's testified yet. Okay So he's going in big So his request is denied

Okay, because no one's testified right right, so okay, but it turns out But this is also a guy who who was a lawyer and then went to school for it Yeah, so order isn't a big player, but he also knows that in the past Cases they've had against Bridges. That's all lies right, so he's just Anyway, there's a guy named Lawrence Ross who's a former Communist and he says that Bridges had been elected a Communist Party official in 1936 guys super confident he's super quick-witted on the stand but Vincent and his assistant lawyer guy thinks there's something off Yeah, so they they keep the questioning going in the court because it's Friday until until courts adjourn and then they have the weekend to

Dig into this guy. Okay So they investigate him over the weekend. They found out that his whole story was fake His name was not raw Lawrence Ross. His name was Lipman Rosenstein That's basically the same thing and he was born in Brooklyn not Kentucky same thing And he never went to the University of Kentucky as a matter of fact the school's president had sent a telegram to Vincent Saying he had just told prosecutor Donahue the exact same thing the week before okay He's they made up a guy sure they made up a whole guy sure, but that's it, but that's manifesting That's a legal manifestation

It feels like but if that's your first witness by the way, yeah, not great, but I also feel like I Mean if there's grounds for a mistrial Having a fake guy as your star prosecution witness is not great. No, you mean it should be a mistrial Or or the or the prosecuting attorney should be held in contempt, right? Okay, right? So Monday morning the stories out everyone knows what's going on so the judge Allows Ross and Donahue to get on the witness stand and speak first. Okay Ross Apologize profusely. I forgot everything about me first. You have to forgive me. I didn't know I wasn't that guy

I thought it was that guy. I will tell you this for two weeks. I've been living as that guy Here's the thing about me. I don't know who me is. Do you know who you are? Does anybody know who anybody is? I hit my head when I was working on my sink and I lived as that guy for two weeks And then I hit my head again last night. I remembered who I actually now. I'm not that guy. Okay Plumbing boy such a goof. He also cited scripture There we go. And he also said he was super scared of his anti-communist wife finding about out about his past Wait a minute. That's not real. I think okay And then Donahue took the stand and said he didn't know about Ross's past until the weekend and he promised it wouldn't happen again

Okay, this is the last guy who's totally made up We're not doing this anymore. We've learned your honor. I you know why when I went to law school It didn't say anything about it not being able to have fake eyes. How about this? I'm gonna make a rule not just for us for everybody No more fake guys. No more fake guys. Let's only go real guys. Hey Vincent. Let's make a pact No, I because I don't know your angle. You might have been going fake guys. You might Yeah, I bet you're gonna go fake guys if I didn't first so we we would know more fake guys Oh, we're all in agreement. All right. We called Dracula to the stand. I don't know what to say

Let's make court. We let's make court and we call the wolf man So Vincent then stood up and ripped into Donahue Santa Claus, please approach The whatever it's called. You're out of that call Batman That would be so great Will Mary Poppins please approach so Vincent stands up and rips into Donahue saying he was quote more bankrupt than the witnesses are

He continued quote. I have not seen such inferior merits or inferior qualities better rewarded since Caligula made a console of his horse and Charles the second night at a beef steak Then he just drops the mic he drops the gavel What can I hear his his roast joke one more time? I have not seen such inferior merits or inferior qualities better rewarded since Caligula made a console of his horse and And Charles the second night at a beef steak. Good Lord. I have no idea what the second one is in reference to The second one's the only one I can mildly see the first one. I'm just like, what is he doing? He's ramping up

He's dying down Later he called the defense witness who said on the stand that anyone who says that Bridges was a communist quote was a fucking liar Whoa, all righty Hey, remember he's going he's going to yeah, he's like I'm already going to fucking jail or six months. Who gives a shit? Boy, that is quite a that's just kind of an I mean that's just a nice pocket to play in right now It's the fucking best just once this is over. I'm going to jail for six months. So what do I care? Yeah? Naturally the jury found Bridges guilty of perjury obviously But the media portrayed it as a travesty of justice and that

And then some of the government witnesses started recanting their testimony when the press started crashing on them and Then Vincent went to jail for six months. Okay But before he went to jail Vincent started his campaign for president of the United States there we go of America There we go on the progressive party ticket against Dwight Eisenhower and Adelaide Stevenson in 1952. Oh, sorry The progressive party had been started by former vice president Henry Wallace who wasn't running because he was no longer anti-war Okay

Vincent wasn't always politically active, but Vivian Had been for a long time at least since they came into money She's also a best-selling author. She wrote a book during the presidential campaign called my wild Irish rogues About her family. Okay, which is a huge hit But then double day the publisher refused to re-pun it after they were pressured by the government Well, why would they not want it? Why did they not want it communists? Oh, right? Oh, right? I forgot they're fake associated with communists, right, of course, right So

The fame From the Egan trial and the Bridges trial made Vincent an actual viable candidate for the left. Okay Even though you'd for sure lose the platform focused on getting out of the Korean War protecting workers' rights and giving full and equal rights to blacks Good luck with that lunacy Good Lord, excuse me. We gotta be Dreamer and why don't we make it rain skittles come on now? Oh purity a lot of bass was a black journalist and she was picked to be the vice presidential candidate the first black vice presidential candidate What year's this? This is 1952. That's great. Well, we're a progressive party. Yeah, you would have thought yeah

Vivian and their oldest son Patrick spoke at the progressive parties convention and accepted the presidential nominate on A nomination on Vincent's behalf. Okay, because he's right, right, right? Vincent kind of weird Kind of a weird thing to have to that's a verbal hurdle. It's it's a tough one tough one to sort of have fun If you were here tonight If my father were not in prison right now, he would say let's get out of Korea And the corn's terrible corn is not don't eat the corn. It's watery Vincent finally gave his first campaign speech at the ferry station across some

Prison McNeil Island in Tacoma when he was released. Wait, he decided to keep the prison backdrop Okay, so he was so eager to speak he got out. He's like let's go I'm not sure if he got out immediately and did it, but I bet he did but anyway supporters held up signs that said from the Big House to the White House. Okay Sure, these are all winning slogans. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, you can't go wrong. Right In his memoir he wrote about leaving prison quote I stood on the boat watching the grim citadel a monument to man's inhuman need to man We're seating in the morning mist as I move toward freedom. At least you son of a bitch. I thought you're a better place

Because I went through you Jesus. Yeah, he really am not crazy about his pros The campaign hit one problem after another it started late because jail. He's in prison, right? It was hard to book venues for rallies because no one wanted them there prison scheduled events would be cancelled the last minute Sure, he pushed Stevenson and Eisenhower to debate him on TV over the Korean War, but they ignored him wait There's TV now. Yeah, I have a great idea for a show. Oh, it You've heard about the cable car. Have everyone what those those old things is have to go. Oh my god. I'm ruined

I put everything into this And now TV's finally here in the cable cars. How old are you? I'm a hundred and ninety get out of here. I can't I just Well, then lie down or something. Yeah, I'm talking again. It hurts when I lie down. It feels like needles listen. I Need someone to buy my show You'll never guess who I've cast Smithy Weston The cowboy

He's been dead for 20 years. Yeah, that's how I thought. Oh my god It's over What are you good job, yeah, I put everything in my cable car show Okay My watch can I go on? Yeah, yeah, go ahead So Vincent came in third in the election with a hundred and forty one thousand, okay, it's not it's not good. That's close He might have done better if he wasn't blocked from ballots in a bunch of states I don't think that affects things the government then change and then charged Vincent and Vivian with tax evasion. Cool

So they're having a good run Jay Gehoover had been building the case against them for seven years Starting right around the time when Vincent started representing bridges. Interesting how that happened the Halinans hadn't done anything different than any other Wealthy person and it had all been suggested by their accountants who did it all the time But it was illegal. Basically. He had his parents on the payroll. Okay, and they're like you can't do that So it's illegal, but it's never prosecuted So they prosecuted them sure and since it was the first infraction. Nobody goes to jail in that circumstance. Let me guess

They should have been allowed to cut a deal Vince. It was found guilty 36,000 Was how much he said he evaded and he was given 18 months in prison. Jesus Don't defend the communist This time in jail Vincent had to live with the general population But he quickly became a father figure to the inmates helping them with cases and getting them Getting the warden to desegregate the cafeteria He came out believing there were too many people in jail on drug charges

From then on Vincent became a big proponent of drug reform and legalization. He was released from prison in 1956 okay, but then after he was released he lost his license to practice for three years So he wrote and published a memoir Uh, he traveled all over the world with Vivian. They went to Cuba China and Russia. Okay now They're just rubbing it in yeah, and right in Russia He saw that there was no poverty and everyone was taken care of and he also appreciated the country's legal system Which he said was much better and more fair than the United States. Okay, and then when they came home Vivian and Vincent wrote and published a pamphlet called clash of cultures about about the USSR

Okay, but throughout the 50s the Vincent family were harassed brutally and often their outspoken hate of the Korean War and their very Proviews toward Russia made them a target They would get phoned in threats one anonymous caller demanded five thousand dollars or quote death would be visiting their house She's such a weird death threat. I like it Hey, I'm gonna fucking kill you. I'm gonna fucking blow up your fucking house unless I got five thousand dollars I mean it is what it is such a mafioso. It's like a mob threat. Yeah So give us two grand a month and you can still make pizza

What's that? Yeah you owe us two thousand dollars a month or We kill you and you don't get to make pizza It's called a Yeah, you get to make fucking pizza tags or whatever There's a money in His sons are frequently called commie sons of bitches and beaten up

Patrick was severely beaten at a drive-in by three Marines who had just come back from Korea They broke several of his bones one in his right arm and ripped through the skin. He was only 16 at the time The Marine County District Attorney told Vivian He couldn't charge the three attackers because no jury in the county would rule in favor of a halon and good Lord That is that's That's when you know, you're screwed like when they're just like no because of what someone might do for sure But these are the halons. Yeah, right So Vincent built the boxing gym on their property and hired a champion boxer to train them. Okay interesting angle

Vivian didn't like the idea but Vincent always told her quote the chief trouble with liberals is that they hope to accomplish Everything with talk. I'll see you later. And the boys learned how to box Okay, five of them went on to win boxing championships in college They're fighting skills made them fearless and from then on when any bully called the boys a name They got the living shit kicked out of them. Alrighty fair So there's nothing there's nothing that happens to them. They're like, all right, you got me. Yeah, nothing There's no you got me in this family. No All right, I'm sorry

Why don't your boys go settle it out of court? Yeah, we're gonna go settle out of court. Yeah, let's go settle out of court Come on everyone the boys are down there. They're settle out of court. All right I want to clean settle it out of court. No funny business. Nothing below the belt slap gloves and let's settle out of court I'm gonna hit him in the dick down. Oh The son that made a real name for himself as a fighter was Terrence he was the second oldest He would become commonly known as Kao abbreviation for a knockout He had many knockouts in his boxing career and he even sparred with Cassius clay in the 1960

Olympic boxing Illuminations, okay Kao enjoyed fighting so much that it led to a criminal record his first arrest when he was 17 after he and Patrick fought three coast guard Guy who are harassing them the boys were outnumbered and the coast guard guys were much older But they still beat the living shit out of him. Okay, the two Hallinans were then picked up on robbery charges because they took the Coast Guardman's beer after the fight Come on, that's just pride right. Yeah, that's not You get the beer get the beer you absolutely get the beer. Yeah

In 1959 Kao would be indicted for breaking a man's jaw to bowling alley. He's named Kao. Yeah During the civil rights movement Kao tried to sign up to be a freedom fighter But was turned down because he had beaten someone up at a peace march Okay, I Mean there's a couple flags the harassment of the Hallinans became even more ugly in 1956 Vivian was at home alone and three drunk men broke in and tried to rape her One of them ripped off her nightgown which left her standing there naked

She had just undergone surgery for ovarian cancer and her scar was raw and red and they stared at her And as they did Vivian told them quote boys. I have the cancer. It's contagious. You don't want to catch it. Do you oh? So they didn't touch her. Oh, that's so I mean that's terrible But that is that moment when you're just like they're idiot apes. Yeah Yeah, boys, I would love to have a party with you, but unfortunately you'd get the cancer. Oh, yeah, you got it for sure Oh, man. Well Hmm, I guess we don't want to get cancer. That's a hell yeah All right, well then you guys should probably get out of here. Sorry about that get out of where my home

All right Yeah, okay. All right. See you guys. Yep By my mom. Are you my mom like this? So the men and End up leaving her alone and after a few hours of holding her hostage They they drove off when Patrick learned about what happened and then one of the men was one of the Marines Cancers contagious who had beaten him up at the drive-in years before wait wait say again So one of the guys that did this was one of the same guys that beat up the kid at the drive

Okay, so he comes out and finds out grabs a 38 and goes out looking for him to kill him Oh boy, but the cops captured the three guys before Patrick could only one of them was charged Wait Vincent, right? Before or no Patrick Pat no Patrick one of the sun sorry right only one of the guys who broke in was charged out of the three Okay, he and he got a year in jail J walking You know you've been bad This is straight illegally towards the attempted rape look we would put you in jail for longer, but you've clearly got cancer now This hell man

These attacks did not stop Vivian and the boys from participating in civil rights protests in the 1960s The boys helped found the W e b Do boys Club of America a nationwide organization that promoted progressive values at colleges The right painted them as being communists That's so weird. It's almost like that still then senator Richard Nixon complained to the press that the Du Bois Club of America sounded too much like the boys Club of America people will get confused Because Du Bois pronounces his name Du Bois. Yeah Reckless the Justice Department accused the clubs of being communists and their headquarters in San Francisco were then bombed

They were empty at the time so this I mean this really is a time where like Language was so powerful and used to manipulate so easily. That's also so fucking never happens I think the fucking fear of of if you're if your system of government is fucking awesome Then why do you give a shit if communists are walking around you should be able to just beat them with free speech? What are you fucking worried about? Dave I think I know what they're worried about now Vivian became a passionate civil rights activists and With her sons protested San Francisco businesses with racist hiring practices like lucky supermarkets mills drive-in and car dealerships During one protest they were all arrested for disturbing the peace Vincent cheered them on as they were being taken away

Vivian spent 30 days in jail, which she described as being quote very dull That's the outstanding thing about it. It is so boring The Vincent's continued to be the face of progressive politics in San Francisco and many came to appreciate what they were fighting for The family would later be credited for turning the Bay Area into the liberal bastion. It is today in 1961 Vincent sued the Catholic Church for fraud. Wow. That's quite a goliath The suit was coming I'm gonna go after Catholicism I haven't had the whole fucking thing. Yeah

Go on for the big boys So the suit was convoluted, but it still hadn't merit this guy Anthony supple who was a former grand jury consultant for San Francisco left $200,000 to the church after he died He also took his grand-nephew out of his will So the grand-nephew sued the estate okay, and Vincent I don't understand this part, but Vincent had KO by a stake in the grand

Nephew's claim so I'm not sure How what that means buying a stake in it, but that's how they got kind of like back-end I don't I don't really get I guess you can I guess you can buy a part of an Inheritance if they win or something It sounds very American sounds like Sounds very old legal back-end. It sounds very American. Yeah, it absolutely does So this but this gave just caused for Vincent to file a suit Fraud now apparently Vincent suited against the church was the fight. He had always wanted

He called himself a militant atheist and blamed the church for a quote barren joyless childhood. Oh, well He had left the church in his 20s after one of his sisters became a nun Okay, Annie who was a sister who hated him convinced His his other sister to become a nun which infuriated Vincent He felt that The nun sister was a genius who could do anything she wanted and she was just wasting her life by being a nun He wanted none of this now Annie

Testified against him in the church case. She trashed Vincent for his lack of faith While she was on the stand and said that quote the church knew he was a communist Okay, Vincent argued that the church taught supple to quote by his way into heaven by leaving money to the church Which he said was fraud because church officials couldn't actually prove that heaven hell and purgatory existed man How great is this trial? This is the best. Yeah, this is the best fucking trial of God's real So so you say this heaven? Yeah, and then people give you money to get you know It's part of the church. You get money God smiles upon the church. So where is that heaven? So people go they get a they get to the pan for this where where's the where's the heavens in those clouds?

What could you show me since people are going there there? That's the roof sir. The gods up there God just communicates to us in mysterious ways, sir So Vincent wanted the church to tell him exactly where heaven hell and purgatory were he told reporters quote if the church can point out Exactly where this place hell Exactly where this place hell is perhaps we get someone to drop an H bomb on it. What a great thing for mankind that would be Yeah, wrong when the San Francisco Archbishop took the stand Vincent pulled out a map of the universe and asked Show me what on this map Ask the Bishop to locate heaven right here right here, sir Saturn. Where are you looking?

The judge ruled that the witness did not have to answer you don't have to point out where hell is on that map of the galaxy, sir Oh, but I want to Okay, Vincent lost over and over again in court, but he kept appealing and Judges kept hearing his case and went on for seven years. He took the fight all the way to the Supreme Court But he lost though. He was happy that the church never saw one cent of Subbell's money during these seven years He kept the suit alive and that they had to keep it in a trust. Okay? Vincent continued to settle vendetta's he became Uh revered by the young liberal population in the Bay Area and started using that popularity to take revenge on his enemies

Who still had power? When a cricket prosecutor was picked up for a judicial appointment Vincent wrote a public letter challenging it and the appointment was taken away When that same prosecutor ran to be a judge Vincent got the trial lawyer association to back the other candidate who won Okay, when it came to vendetta's Vincent had no problem doing anything against his enemies as long as it succeeded Thomas Mellon was a San Francisco police commissioner who Vincent had hated Since the protests against the house on American activities committees hearings in 1960 Mellon had ordered fire hoses turned on to the protesters at the time Vincent had begged him not to and Mellon told him quote You look after all the reds and I'll look after San Francisco

mm Vincent then found out that Mellon lived in Marin County Which broke San Francisco's rule that commissioners had to live within city limits man Leave this guy alone and Vincent went to the press and Mellon was forced to step down I mean don't fuck either way. You've stepped down or make a move. I mean make it someone move is really funny That's great, but yeah Vincent was so obsessed with revenge that he once ran against a judge who had cited him for contempt just to give him a hard time I'll run against him

He had no chance of winning but ran anyway to force the judge to work for the seat After the campaign he told a bunch of other attorneys to run against judges They hate because quote it scares the hell out of them. That's great That should happen more his son Kayo decided to become a lawyer around this time. Okay after the first San Francisco After the first time the San Francisco barred. Sorry after the at first the San Francisco bar denied his application and blamed his rejection on On both his father's reputation and his criminal record Vincent of course fought this in court sure and it's despite it looking like a total lost cause he won

Okay, then Kayo lost his His license not long after getting into the bar. Hmm. How his first his first clients were protesters And then he would protest himself during a protest Kayo saw a woman being beaten savagely back a riot cop with a baton and he stepped in and He was hit in the head and left with a face covered in blood He got ten stitches and was charged with interfering with police So Kayo is now looking at disbarment

With his brand new career and Vincent represented him saying Kayo quote deserve the best and they won man It's gotta be like so you're just like get them out of the legal system, please And then they're defending each other and then they sued the police, okay, and they won. Oh my god for sure while Kayo and Vincent represented Patty Hearst in her bank robbery trial. Wow They said they could win if their defense centered on the fact that Patty was drugged to the point of being out of her mind Hearst's dad whose newspapers often ran anti-Vincent articles Hated the strategy and feared it would embarrass the family feared it would embarrass the family

Yeah, well, you know after what the fucking after what you don't want to rob the bank She's in the fucking SLA Like what bad optics? Oh, well not drugs bad optics Dave You don't want to have that in the mix and drugs. I'll have a field day So Hearst hired another famous attorney F. Lee Bailey. Oh boy who Lost and Patty went to prison Vincent never worked on a massive trial again, but he managed to stay in the papers For example, when he was 73 he played for the San Francisco bats a professional rugby team of bats

73 we play in the dark All right, let rugby is not a sport no No, fuck no. Oh, we just do like tackles The scrums are pretty brutal The I think Eddie's dead of the scrum. He's dead of the scrum His age at that time playing rugby became the subject of a Ripley's believe it or not comic That's loaded four years later when he was walking to work 77 three men jumped him pushed him into a doorway and tried to mug him

Instead of giving in Vincent fought them Jesus one had a knife another had a cane good Lord And though he got a little bit bloodied Vincent sent them running off Wow Instead of calling the police are going home He kept walking seven miles to work and then called the newspapers and told them what he had done That's a weird order. He told every reporter There were two important facts to get straight. His name was Vincent and he won Repeat it back to me your name is Vincent and the other one you won Okay

Vivian wasn't much different. She was a well-known progressive activist while protesting in Chile. She was tear-gassed She was 77 at the time. Oh, man Kayo then went into politics winning a seat on San Francisco's board of supervisors, which he held for a few terms Vincent Halonen died in 1992 at the age of 95 for his obituary Obituary Kayo recounted the last time Vincent punched a rival attorney Vincent was in his 90s and his hands were pretty gnarled and useless So he molded one into a fist. Oh, no What so he's made of clay

We can't do it on its own but the idea that you're like You hold on you little motherfucker once I turn this into a fist Oh, the fourth figure is going down. Here we go. That's fine. We go. You know, you son of a bitch. He left 20 minutes ago Kayo went on to serve two terms as San Francisco's district attorney before being beaten out by now senator Kamala Harris DAKO. Yeah Okay, so Kamala Harris Patrick the oldest of the six boys became a successful dense defense attorney in In 1995 the feds went after him for helping a former client start a hundred and fifty million dollar a year pot smuggling business

The drug dealer turned on Patrick and the towel was trial was seen as defense attorneys as being an attempt To dissuade attorneys from aggressively defending their clients But Patrick won Because you could do that to any attorney you could say you're in fucking cahoots, right? So they were just it's an Important W Critics said afterward the prosecution had not learned about Patrick's reputation before the trial. Yeah, his name's k.o Well, I mean related to k.o. Yeah

By then he and the rest of the Halinans were beloved. I am son of Vincent's brother of k.o The whole family is beloved especially amongst lawyers in the Bay Area Vivian died in 1999 at the age of 88 her obituaries appeared in the New York Times and other major newspapers where she was described as a huge progressive activist When she died she was honored by Congress How about those motherfuckers It's kind of a badass gene pool. It is a badass gene pool, isn't it? Yeah across the board I haven't been able to look but I I was looking at trying to find videos of them of which there really aren't any but

So when I put in I put in his name It said the Halinan boys of Drake, which is a high school I went to two for two years and it was them. It was two kids and Marin playing football, which is where They lived right and and Ross is right near Marin Catholic So I'm wondering if right isn't your close to Drake. So I'm wondering if you had I'm wondering if those kids He now has kids that are great for grandkids are not great for grandkids that are not good football player Whatever it is. Whatever's related to them. They're not people out. I'm just totally unrelated, but I just thought that was interesting Don't touch my passport

Yeah Yeah, I mean truly like that I think that is the thing that I keep waiting to sort of see kick into gear in America at this point is when people are You know when they really when you really are fed up enough because the idea of like The communist label is so arbitrary. It is it is I mean, it's like labeling Like you can't there's it's unprovable. So you almost have to prove You have to prove that you're not something that they can't prove you are yeah And when we get to that point, it's gonna be interesting to see how people step up and how much shit

We're willing to take totally coming back the whole red scare is back But how are we gonna handle it not well? Yeah, we're not gonna handle it Well, that's why this whole red scare thing is like people don't know where that's going. It's going to bad fucking places It always does. Yeah, that's our history We take shit and do bad things with it It's gonna be fun crazy. How good it worked out for a while What I mean this plant like the the amount of Terribleness and

corruption For a while. It wasn't knocking at the back door. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and now We've got these chickens and we're like, why are they all coming home so fast? They're driving the roostmobile All right, well, well we tried we tried we'll sign Jose No, we'll be in Charlotte and Oh, wait, let me wait this this weekend. Let me tell you one little story Yeah, no Friday night. So my dad was in town. Sorry. I didn't mean to cut off Thursday night Charlotte. Shut up already All right, go. So my dad was in town this weekend

and I went out to have dinner with him on my brother last night and Russ first thing he says when he sees me as he goes So I understand your mother's on the dollop now My divorce parents my dad has allowed and he was like no joke going like Look, I'm not asking to sit in for a whole episode. He was like he made it sound like we were like welcome to the dollop with Dave Garrett and Garrett's mom Pam. Oh my god. That's amazing. Yeah, he was so like look I just holy shit next time I'm here. I was like dude. It just worked out randomly. Oh my god. That's amazing. Yeah, he's like I don't want to be iced out Come on

All right, that's it. All right, that's good.