The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 304 - Sydney Razor Gangs (Live in Canberra)

Episode Date: November 28, 2017

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the Sydney Razor Gangs. SOURCES TOUR DATES REDBUBBLE MERCH

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and Garth Reynolds. Yeah! Thanks. Thanks, Bubby. Thank you, Bubby. Thank you, Bubs. Oh, oh, bad start. Dave's having a chair trouble. Oh, what's... oh boy. So patient. I feel like this... can people see? What about you there? You're like what the fuck did I pay for? Oh, you saw him at the table being out in front? Stand here for you. Is this better? Okay, good. Hi. We definitely want to thank everybody here for helping us out and everybody who came out so we appreciate the fuck out of it so thank you. Yeah, everybody except the guy who made the announcement. Yeah, Dave we're not Dave and the wing over there not a fan. Not him but Craig and the gang

really great. Yeah, Dave. Drinker. Heavy drinker. Likes the sauce. Been in 32 car accidents. Yep. Like he says he's jinnit to win it. That's what he always says. Yeah. You're listening to the dollop. This is a bi-weekly American History podcast. Once a week I read a story from American history to me amigo. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about or Spanish. That's right. I speak Espanol. No. Okay. Great. Good. March 10th, 1881. A little bit of pizza came out. Oh my god. What a great start. You're leaking za? Yeah, I mean I'm pretty sexy and sometimes pizza will just come out of me. Little parts

but yeah pizza just comes out of me anytime of the day. That's awesome. Just a little piece of pizza. Yeah. Pretty hot. Kathleen Mary Josephine Lee was born at... Oh boy already huh? Dubbo. At Tubbo? Dubbo. But Dubbo. Tubbo's a good one. Tubbo's good. New South Wales. The eighth child of Timothy Behan who was a bootmaker and his wife Charlotte. Sure. Great. At the age of eight Kate started skipping school and stealing from her parents and a local shop. Okay. So eight. Eight. This is when adolescence was eight though. This is when... Yeah. She's basically a teenager. Yeah. Right. Exactly. She's going through that phase. That all eight

year olds do at this time. Yeah. At ten she ran away from home after being badly mistreated and at twelve was found wandering the streets. She was incarcerated in the Parramatta. At twelve? Parramatta. What are you? Fuck off. Parramatta. It don't Parramatta. Say it how you want. The Parramatta. She's twelve and gets incarcerated. Yeah. So she was out on her own for a couple years. Sure. She had a good four. Being a kid. Right. Yeah. Being a kid. Running away. On the street. Right. Sure. So twelve she hits jail. She hits jail. Of course. Industrial school for girls. Sounds non-free. Yep. Yep. By the

time she was in her mid teens she was back on the streets. Had a daughter out of wedlock when she was nineteen. Okay. Which people weren't big on in the early 1900s. I always thought they were so supportive of others in that era. Yeah. Strange. It's all changed. And then she became a sex worker. Okay. I saw a guy at a brothel earlier. That's who you thought was me. I thought that was you. Yeah. No that's not me. That's that guy. In May 1902 she married Jack Lee. He was an illegal bookmaker and petty criminal. But when he went to jail in 1905 for a assault and robbery they split up. Okay. You got it. You know. Right. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. It's

time to cut cord. Yeah. Kate was then convicted of lying under oath during his trial and also for being an accomplice to the assault but her conviction was overturned on appeal. Okay. She's fucking. Okay. So now she's single and free. And yeah with a with a kid. Sure. Right. But relatively free. Yeah. In 1907 Kate was rolling. Police had recorded 13 minor convictions by that point mostly for prostitution. Okay. So she's killing it. Sure. Sure. Police report described her around 1907 quote. Each house she lived in was frequented by prostitutes, criminals and others of ill repute. Men under the influence of drink would be a

constant taken into her house and robbed but would decline to take action for fear of publicity. Well then what do you want? I mean she's got a system. Yeah. She's fucking working it. Yeah. She's yeah. She's making shit happen. She's trapping them. It's fine. She was very shrewd. So she'd pulled the old fucking Rob. Yeah. I mean that's technical the technical term. Right. Is fucking Rob. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. She was very shrewd and a dangerous woman who would resort to any device revenge and has often got satisfaction. So weird because normally when kids leave home at eight like everything is fine. Yeah. And then

this one is not. And that's weird. You think you know good and bad would have been ingrained in her by the time she hit the streets at eight. Yeah. Eight years old. I mean she's fully formed. Yeah. Right. She's ready to go. Yeah. We just kicked our kid out. Yeah. No I know. I know the right decision. Right. That's the right decision. Time to know what it's like out there motherfucker. Go out and become a boot maker. Yeah. Make some boots. Yeah. Matilda Tilly Divine was born. Whoa. All right. Now they know what it is. Matilda Tilly Divine. Mm-hmm. Okay. Was born on September 8th 1900 to bricklayer Edward

Twist. And pipe player. And what? Pipe player. He had a baby. Not sure. Okay. And pipe player Edward Twist. And his wife Alice in London. From 1915 to 1919 she spent time at Bow Street Court and lockup for prostitution theft and assault. Okay. And then she fell in love. All right. A love story. In April 1917 when she was 16 years old she married Australian serviceman Jim Divine and they had one son in 1919. Okay. So Jim went back to Australia and Tilly followed him up in a bride ship in 1920. In a bride ship? Yeah. It's just all ladies get on a ship. Okay. Should be called a court ship. Okay. It's a low bar.

Don't you raise the bar on me. Let me hop over the babies. Tilly left her son behind. Good. Always good. Why do you need one of those? No. You know you're going to Australia. If you're going to Australia cut shit loose. Start over again. Yeah. He's almost eight. He'll figure it out. That's when that's when shit happens. That's when you're on your own. So her parents took care of him and then Tilly got back into sex work in Sydney and Jim was her protector, chauffeur and getaway man. You shouldn't you shouldn't need a getaway man if you're a sex worker but you know what sometimes you do a tug and run or

whatever. Would you call it? I think I called it the fucking Rob. Oh yeah. I'm thinking about tug and rob. Oh you're thinking of the the tug and steel. Yeah. So she was the reason why she had a chauffeur, a protector and a getaway driver. By the way really the same job. Yep. Three times. Yep. But the reason she had him was because of theft mainly. So she's robbing and then getting in the chauffeur protector getaway car. I mean I think she was she was doing it all. Sometimes she'd you know. But what does she need a getaway driver for? Is he just bumping up the resume a little? No I think that sometimes they would rob

people but I also think you know she would fuck them too and and then you know. And then be like let's get out of here. We need a siren. That's what the best sex workers do. They roll. As soon as they're done they put a siren on their head. Aren't we gonna snuggle? Why are you running so fast? Oh she has a getaway driver. I mean if you're paying the guy you may as well make a quick getaway. Yeah no it's 15 extra bucks for spooning. Chillo talk. That's the saddest. Well I just I'll go to imagine paying 15 extra dollars to spoon. Yeah. Where are you going? Well we just shared a magical experience. Do you want to lay down and

smoke some cigarettes and talk? I mean I don't know. Let's get to know each other. Let me get lost. Let me lose my hand in your hair for a minute. That's 25 extra dollars. That's fine. I'll pay that. I'll pay that. I'll pay whatever you want. How much for you to stick around and listen about my dad? Oh hundred. That's like two hundred dollars. You didn't hug enough. You know what? No I'm not gonna do that. That's not worth it. All right. Maybe you could pee on me instead or... Maybe shrimp cocktails? I don't know. Let's meet in the middle here. I kind of want to bond. You're terrific. I feel sad inside. That's because I left you.

What do you need a beer? You just look long and late in your bucket. It just looks so great. I mean it looks like an ad. Well this is how we're opening them tonight. Oh Jesus. Give it up for our opener. He's great. You're gonna love him. In 1914, Kate Lee was living in the slums of Frog Hollow in Surrey Hills. Sure I love Frog Hollow. Fucking great. Yeah. Great frogs. Yep. She allegedly helped plan the Everly Railway Workshop's payroll robbery. Oh say no more. Yeah. Classic. It was a sensation at the time because it was so daring. It happened in broad daylight in a densely populated part of the city. They used revolvers and for

the first time in the history of Australia a car was used as the getaway vehicle. Well because there was a chauffeur and a protector. Yep. But it was the first day everyone was like holy shit they got in a car. That is the best. Oh wow. We're not gonna catch them. How did they come up with that? Let's go back and figure out what we should do with our cars. We'll get them. We'll get them. We'll get them. They were chased by a guy with a horse and carriage but that didn't. What happened? He got them. No. Just one corner. Come on. But then they were caught because they forgot to cover the license plate. Oh god. Somebody just

wrote that down. Right. So this is the first time of a getaway car but they already found a bump in the road. Yeah. Right. Kate was then 26. You know the carriage guy, horse and carriage guy was gloating. I knew we'd get you. Yeah that's why we don't have a license on me horse. I'll just leave. I'll just go. Kate was 26. She was charged again with committing perjury during the Emily robbery trial of Samuel a.k.a. Jewy Freeman. Whoa. He was obviously Jewish. Yeah. Or he was hard to swallow. No you're thinking of Chewy. Right. Sorry. This is a... Chewy. When nicknames were very direct. Yeah right. Yeah. Come right at

you. Yeah. So Chewy was a known Sydney thief and Kate was his mistress. Okay. His misty. Sure. She was one of the main witnesses in his defense and the perjury charge came after she said Chewy slept on her couch the entire day the robbery. Okay. It's a pretty good alibi. Yeah. No. Chewy was passed out. Right Chewy. Oh boy yeah. Another accomplice explained how Kate had tried to convince him to go along with her made-up couch story. Quote. She went into the yard and got a tommy hawk and came in and said I will cut your bloody head off you bastard and chopped me on the right eye with the point of the tommy hawk. I put my left

hand over my face and she hit my left arm breaking it in two places. So her... So that's how she was trying to talk another guy. So by trying to get Chewy off of a crime she was just cutting people with a tommy hawk arguably illegal. Well depends how you do it. I think it sounds illegal breaking arms. Yeah you're not supposed to hit people in the face. How long did they pitch on the alibi? Four seconds? Three or four seconds. Yeah. Okay. We'll just save you sleeping on the couch. Great. We'll do that. She got five years in jail. Okay. What she took away was not to lie to help a man. Quote. Five years for sticking to a man. I'll

swing before I'll stick to another. There we go. I've said that before. I said that about you yesterday. Yeah but you were really sticking to me. I was. I can't help it. Hi. You melt me. In 1916 around 5,000 members of the Australian Infantry Forces were... If you said the infancy I wouldn't be surprised if there was an infancy force. Alright two-year-olds. Get fucking ready. Here we go boys. Pull up your diapers. Yeah that's right. Listen to Chewy. Listen to baby Chewy. So the Australian forces went on a drunken rampage at Liverpool, southwest of Sydney. This led to New South Wales... The forces were hammered? Yeah they just got shit-faced and

went fucking... They went crazy. We might have talked about that in another one. The battle plan is to get shit-faced and then go for it? Well they no they just fucking had a riot probably because they shut down the bars or whatever. Right. So this led to New South Wales voting for pubs to close at 6 p.m. Oh god. What a terrible decision. Right? I can't imagine anything worse to do to Australia. Because that is that that's like what they would when in England forever it was 11 p.m. and what it would cause is it would cause this like it would cause nine like the whole bar to pound nine beers and then at 11

o'clock a mass exodus and then brawls would just happen just because people be like well fuck you say I say nothing fuck him and then pint glasses are getting thrown. Yeah. So 6 p.m. my imagination is much worse. Yeah so this led to Sly Grog businesses opening which we've touched on the Sly Grog-ing illegal liquor joints. Sure. So Kate got out of jail in 1919 and started running a Sly Grog business selling booze after 6 p.m. She also sold cocaine. Oh shit. Which at that time was called snow. It still is man. You got that snow bro? People who did coke were called snow droppers. Oh man time to bring all this back. You drop

snow. I mean I think that went until like 1988. Yeah. It was like snow. Pretty soon Kate had enough money to buy a house and open more Sly Grog-eries in Surrey. She also started fencing stolen goods. She's all over the place. Yeah no she's versatile. She's got a diversified portfolio. Yeah Megan should happen. Sure. In January 1921 the now well-known Kate was in Paddington Police Court on charges of theft. She was accused of stealing three pounds from a Danish sailor. The sailor said he gave Kate the money for whiskey and then Kate sent a little girl to go get the whiskey but the girl never came back and then

Kate kicked him out of the place. They had the use of children like the labor of children. No it's we got to put him to work. It's how old is this little girl's like what five and she's on a whiskey run? Five if that yeah but you just say hey don't drink this yourself. Okay. And then you know go get that whiskey. Okay. That's it. Okay. That's the whole transaction. Okay. I remember. No I don't think you do. Yeah. Run away and don't come back. Nope. Oh what is it? Go get whiskey. Okay. And then bring it back here. Bring. Okay. I got it. Don't drink it. Okay. Okay. I understand. Say it back. Run away. Nope. Yeah. Don't drink whiskey

and run away. No no no no no no no no. I get all the whiskey. No. I'm five so it's very. I know. Okay. Okay so go get the whiskey. Okay I'm gonna go. Bring it back here. Okay. And give it to that man over the Danish guy. Okay. I'll see you in a week. No. What? Huh. What? Go get some cocaine instead. Oh. Snow dripping? Dropping? Yes. Snow dripping. I do coke. I do cocaine. It's legal. It is medicine now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In June she was back in court quote Kate Lee 33 a married woman was convicted at the central police court of offensive behavior. As soon as her sentence was pronounced she flung at the bench quote your worship

the sergeant is not fit to hold his position then as she was escorted to the dugout she pointed to the sergeant and said you receive your 50 pounds a month from prostitutes and two up schools in which gambling places you're only a blackmailer the sergeant brought her back in court and she was fined three more pounds. Okay. Tilly was also spending quite a bit of time in court in December 17th 1921 she was seen by a cop stopping three different men on the street but each of the men resented her offer. Resented it? Yeah they were like fuck you I don't want to get it all up in your vagina or whatever you say. Resent

that. I mean they're gentlemen and some and they're probably I don't need to pay. At least not I don't want to talk about it publicly. Zip. They might be you know they might be church guys so they're pretending like they don't want to fuck someone. Right. Right. Jesus is watching. Right. Jesus is watching so they got to act like they don't want to fuck her but they really want to fuck her. Right. Because a woman came up to him on the street and said I will fuck you and guys are like what? Yeah. Yeah. No. So she so she's it sounds like a trap to a man on the streets. Yeah. What's what's happening? This is I can just do that. I'm dubious.

In court she told the judge quote every time I go out in the street I seem to be arrested. I told him I was not doing anything and they said they know me and that was enough. Well she's just getting arrested now for which I think like happens still. Yeah. Like if you there's people that yeah they'll just go automatically go to that person with the intent to arrest. Yeah. I think you're talking about black people and I didn't want to label it in America. It's non whites. Sure. Sure. In 1922 Kate was convicted on a charge of vacancy and sentenced to a month in prison. Okay. She appealed and won. She appeals and wins

all the time. Okay. Thank God because she found the love of her life that year. On September 26 1922 she married Edward Joseph Teddy Berry. Dude. What's up? Edward Joseph. Teddy Berry. Teddy Berry. Yeah. Hi. Hey buddy. I'm Teddy Berry. Get the fuck out of here. I love you. Get the fuck out of here. I'm full of love. Jesus Christ. Yeah. The fuck is happening. Yeah. Who invited this son of a bitch? Yeah. Don't fucking talk to me like that. Whoa. Hey man. You're a fucked up bear. I'll cut a bear. What? I'll stab a bear. I'm not. I'm not a bear. Okay. I love you now. Magic's real. Teddy was also a Sly Grog seller. We're going to need to go with Teddy Berry. Yeah. Teddy Berry was also

a Sly Grog seller. Sure. Sure. But adorable. You're guilty of cuteness Teddy Berry. Would you like some gin? Yeah. Magic a little thing. Where's my wallet? God damn it Teddy Berry. Evil shit. In 1926 Kate was back in court. This time as part of a conspiracy to defraud the railway commissioners of New South Wales. A man who had been summoned to be on the jury said Kate tried to bribe him. Okay. Saying she could make it worth his while and the judge told Kate she could make a statement. So she said quote. I don't know what he's talking about. And she got away with it again. Wow. So now quit it again. So is she just a superhero? She made a good case. She made a good case. Yeah. Very litigious. In the early 1920s Kate

ran more than 20 Sly Grogries in some brothels. Jesus Christ. Yeah. She's making the towns having fun because of her. She would talk working class women into the trade by promising they could own jewels, furs, clothes and have a good time. Telling them quote. It's a nasty world so it's best to enjoy it while you can. Well she ain't wrong. Right. Yep. Some brothels were for upscale businessmen and others according to police quote. Kater to the worst class of thieves. Oh God. Yeah. So pretty hot. There's levels. Yeah. No, those are definitely that's definitely the one you want to work at. Yeah. Is this the businessman one? No, no, no. These are abominations and you have a 330. He's coming in. Hello. Me. Mind if I put you in

candlesticks? It definitely was a time when I was like, I mean, he's got 20 candles. It's legit dude. You know what I mean? On Friday and Saturday nights crowds of men milled in the streets waiting to get into mums, which is what her places were called. Why would you call? Isn't that hot? A brothel called mums. Welcome to incests. Haven't you always wanted to get inside a mum? Haven't you? Oh my God. Come on. You guys, one of you guys, please open up a brothel called mums or incests. Call it incests. Just see how it goes. It might be fucking rolling in money. You don't know. It could be a smart incestment. A lot of people have fairness. It could be. Come on. Oh, it hurt everybody. Well, I'm thinking

of a lot of jokes, but I'm not going to say anything. Yeah, no, we are in a minefield right now. At some point when it becomes illegal. So Kate now had a small empire of crime. She had after hours drinking venues like Grog prostitution, illegal betting, gambling joints, and was buying stolen goods. She got the title of queen of the underworld and had the loyalty and protection of a group of male gangsters. Okay. Tilly was also building up her own empire, centered around prostitution, which the vagrancy act was basically begging her to do. Okay. So the vagrancy act of 1902 allowed police to arrest prostitutes as vagrants. Okay. And the follow up police offenses act of 1908 prohibited men from profiting off the earnings

of sex workers. Okay. So that means that only that means that it just makes it so women can be the brothel owners. Oh, okay. That's better, right? I don't think so. I don't think it makes a difference. It feels like it's a little more like it's maybe a little more comfortable to talk about. You know, it's more of a, it's more. So you think it's better conversationally? No, I just think, I think if I, if I were to work in a brothel, I would feel, I would feel more. Let's stop right there. Okay. Sure. Okay. So sorry. When I worked in a brothel, I thought it, I found it more comfortable to take direction from my own gender because I was like, he gets it. He knows what it's like. But every time

a lady would come in and be like, go fuck him. I'd be like, man, man, you don't get it. Come on. Yeah. This was nine and a half months ago. So it's still fresh. This was at incest, right? This was at, yeah. Yes. This was in mama's house of incest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only place you don't want to come inside. Mum's house of whoopsie. Here at Don't Tell Dads. Yeah, shit. There's no kids here. Not anymore. By now, the parents like, no, now, now, now, code read, go Tommy. Go get some whiskey and come back. And a little snow. So Tillie was very organized. She offered her girls lodging and Jim sold cocaine to the customers and the girls. And they came from all walks of life. There were seasoned

street walkers, hard-up housewives, mothers from the suburbs trying to support their families, lonely and poor young women who had come to the city from the country, inner city kids drawn by the excitement. It's the same today. Sure. And those looking to make more money than they could work it in a factory. Tillie also had elite call girls available for politicians and businessmen. Wow. And she had older female sex workers called boat girls. Oh boy. Who catered to sailors. Hey, sexy. Are you, are you, you feel seasick? Why don't you come and balance the equilibrium over at grandma's? Come into grandmoms. There's a couple rules. Hey, no moving anything that has bones on me. Yeah. No, no docking. And I can smoke

throughout the entire experience. Now let's get this party. Oh, hey, welcome to grandmoms. Oh no, honey, that one was just inside of you. You took a napsy. Wow, he was doing it. I thought I died. Inside. Hi, sailor. Hey, cutie pie. Yo, my hip and my arm. Let me just take this hair off and we'll get started. Hello. In May 1925, Tillie cut the throat of salesman Sydney Cork because he was not speaking respectfully enough to her. Okay. She got 18 months. The punishment is so off. What, like what, it just makes no sense. It's like backwards to be fair. He's a salesman. Okay. Okay. Fine. Makes sense. Yeah. You know, anybody works in retail, right? You can just kill right. So just one of those rules.

So the Sydney so some people want to get rid of tillie the Sydney truth in February 1925 quote, tillie divine queen of the night undisputed chaperone of a desolate wanton bunch of Magdalene women's and by her long list of police convictions, indisputably the worst woman in Sydney, this hysterical, irresponsible woman as full of venom as the most deadly snake when anyone, especially the police intercept her and try to halt her unsanely behavior, should return to the city of her birth London. Oh, so they want to export her. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Deported her. I think it I don't think it's called export. I don't think you export humans. You more export goods like sandwiches, for instance. Well, Dave, I'm going to push back on your

example. If we're playing pushbacks, how are the sandwiches rotten? What are we doing? Well, really? They just came from Sydney. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're bad. All of them are bad. Well, I may have to rethink my export business. Yeah. How about soup? Or humans? Humans. Yeah. No, soup's better. Yeah. So this, this little article about tillie came about because she was about to appear in court on four charges, offensive behavior, indecent language, being a common Magdalene. What, what does that mean? I mean, just being what? What's a Magdalene? I thought that was a name. It is a prostitute. Is that from the Bible? She was a prostitute in the Bible? Is there stuff about her getting it on? Are there any

things you can point me to? Is there some hot hot? Well, it gets pretty spicy in the New Testament. Yeah. They spiced it up for sweeps. Yeah. And she also had assaulted Timothy Lenahan. Sure. When Lenahan entered the witness box, Tillie yelled, quote, look at him, look at him. He charged me with assault. That's a frame up. He's big enough to eat me. And then he did. Tilly in the witness box. I'm going to not make my jokes. The city truth was also not a fan of Tillie's husband, quote, James Edward Devine, racehorse owner, car proprietor. And it sort of sounds like you're doing the dollop intro for yourself. Dave Anthony, chauffeur, protector, getaway driver, garbage tosser. Oh, yeah. Yeah, throw that

on the rest. Yeah, that's a good one. Racehorse owner, car proprietor, a regular man about town. We're running out of steam after two, right after two, there's nothing a hulking crafty trafficker and all things despicable. A schemer. Oh, employing abhorrent methods in which to feed his fat and undesirable carcass and ensure that no calluses. The imprint of honest toil should appear on his fat, flabby hands. Jesus Christ. And is a shameless parasite. So that's okay. Let's get her under oath. Well, that's him. They Oh, yeah, right. But who's saying that about him? The, the Sydney truth. Okay, sorry. The Sydney truth is not a fan of this couple. Right. Well, the good paper title. Tillie was arrested again by

Constable Stuckey for a costing men on Gulburn Street. If they turned her down, she'd yell and swear at them. It's sort of weird, but that actually happened to me. Really? Yeah, yeah, it's on my first album. I was in Brooklyn, I was walking home one night and this I would describe her as a troll or a goblin. No teeth. One leg doesn't bend and she comes sliding across the road. And she said, Hey, would you like some pussy? And I said, No. And then she yelled at me. Yeah, fuck it, fuck it. I was like, that's not okay. Well, those are bad options. I'm also not attracted to your personality. So how's that? Quite a terrible tongue on you. In court when her convictions were read out, so they would so at this time

apparently they would read all of her past convictions when for the next trial. Yeah, great way to yeah, great way to keep it open and honest. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want anyone biased. Read everything she's done. So in court when her convictions were read out, Tilly yelled quote, give a woman a fair go. Dang, it's unfair that they're reading out convictions. Okay. The judge gave her six months for prostitution until he went batshit crazy. She stamped her feet, tore her hair and screamed out, I won't do time. And she was carried out of court, quote, like an infuriated animal. Okay. Interesting. Oh God, she's praying. She's praying. She got out and went right back to it. She was charged

with using indecent language and assaulting Constable Carendon. She threw her shoe at him, hit his nose, which quote, caused a flurry of blood. Okay. Not since the snow drip. Have we seen so much come out of a nose till he said she threw the shoe, but it did not hit the officer. He just had a nosebleed because of allergies right after the constable said quote, I think her brain is given away. If she continues coming here, she will have to be medically examined. Boy, okay. From 1921 to 1925 till he had 79 convictions on prostitution related charges. She charged six shillings, the weekly average wage then was 60 shillings. Okay. She's making pretty good money. Yeah. As long as she's knocking

out 10 a week. Right. As the two. Look, I'm just doing math right now. Yeah. It's the language of a mathematician game. So pretty sure. Probably get a couple extra bucks for peeing on them. I think we've left math now. Unless this ends in an equation. As Kate and Tilly became more and more powerful, it was inevitable they would go up against each other. Okay. I wasn't sure if we were going to see them come together or fight. Well, you know, this podcast works. Sure. Not good. Another reason was that Tilly thought she was of a higher class than Kate. She always talked about how her parents were fine people. I had nothing but disdain for Kate's crude style. Okay. So classism amongst sex workers.

Sure. Right. A divide. And criminals. Right. In 1927 cocaine, which had been legal and sold all over the country was declared illegal. On what grounds? Just being too much productivity. Too many winding stories with no end. Nobody had stories anymore. Hey, man, I think we should open a change bank. Right. Like people just come in. We have a, you know, a five week in change. That's awesome. I love that a lot. You know what that rebides me of is this one time when my horse was sick. Yeah. And we were out. My horse was sick. Yeah. And I didn't know what to do. So I was like freaked out. I love horses too. But hold on. Let me finish this. Okay. So we're out there. Horses sick. I don't know what to do. So I'm like, I'm

gonna go get help. So I go like up this huge mountain and I'm like looking for help, but I don't find anyone. So I run down the mountain and I don't find anyone still. So then I go to town and I actually find a buddy of mine who I haven't seen for a while. Great guy. Great guy. Unbelievable guy. Is it Bert? Kind of guy. It's Bert. Well, actually it's Bert and Bert's cousin. Do you know Bert's cousin? I know Bert's cousin. We call him the glug because he can drink more grog than anyone. So we're there with Bert's cousin glug and Bert and I'm walking around town and then we go out and this is good shit. This is great snow and it's dripping. And I don't even remember the beginning of this, but Bert, I love Bert.

What I've always loved about Bert, let me finish this. What I've always loved about Bert is that he's the kind of guy you could call with anything. You know what I mean? Like you call on him and like he comes and helps you right away. Like that's the kind of dude he is, which kind of reminds me of my brother. Let me finish. Which kind of reminds me of my brother, Trav. Because he's this dude who like always, he's got all these great skills. Like he's the kind of guy who picks up something right away, gets it. Like musical instruments, he can play like 13 of them, right? Shut up. Hold on. Let me finish. So he's got like 13 instruments he can play, which is sick, right? But I'm always just like,

what are you doing? What are you going to do? But he's the kind of guy who can't figure out a plan. Okay, you know what I mean? So anyway, so he's cool. And then okay, so I'm going to go for a run. Yeah, go for a run. Go for a run. So then he just he's the kind of guy who like he's awesome, right? Like he genuinely is the kind of so so he meets this girl. He meets this girl. Hey, I'm back. Hey, man, I just finished. Oh, shit. Yeah. Have I ever told you about Bert? Oh, I love Bert. Oh, yeah. He's the kind of guy. Bert's kind of guy. Bert's the kind of guy. Anyway, that's what cocaine is like. You've ever done cocaine. We've never done cocaine. We've seen people do it. No, I've never woken up

at nine a.m. like what's my deal? Um, so 1927, cocaine's made illegal. Surely the people took that well. Yeah. And the Pistol Licensing Act made an automatic six month jail sentence for anyone carrying an unlicensed firearm. Fucking pussies. Thank God we don't subscribe to that theory. Good Lord. I'd rather get shot in the face than give up my freedom. Yeah. Yeah. The freedom to die senselessly is something we hold dear. Kate and Tilly's men have been using guns. But now this law had been passed. They started to pick a new weapon of choice. Street razors. Oh, God. Not for shaving. Uh, yeah. Evening penny post May 27th. A great publication. It's just a penny. Yeah. No, the even never change your name. No, no, no,

never. No, we're going to come the next day. It's like the nickel post. I mean, what the fuck is happening? There's no alliteration. It's terrible. Yeah. Nickel news. Nothing happened. Quote, a fierce war is being waged between two rival gangs in Darlinghurst. Australia. A fierce war is being waged between two rival gangs in Darlinghurst. Wounding with razors has occurred in the past week and revolvers have been flourished with wild west fervor and frequency. On Sunday afternoon, a man was attacked in Surrey Hills by five others with fists and boots had failed to injure him sufficiently. They produced a razor and he was slashed across the face. He lost part of the lobe of his left ear. Okay, pretty

hot. Anyone say they were Surrey? It's okay. It's okay to be disappointed sometimes. A paper reported about slashed and disfigured victims. Quote, have you seen a man with those terrible two slashes forming a grotesque letter L scarring his face from forehead to chin? When you see it, you know what it is. The brand of the razor gang. A band of holdup men whose weapon is the razor and leave their victims with faces slashed and bleeding. Men with slashed and sliced faces who refused to tell how they came by their injuries are becoming increasingly frequent visitors to the Sydney General and St. Vincent's Hospital. And they're too scared to say what happened. Well, there's a rule in the gang that even if it's someone

from the other side, you don't. You handle your own business. Snitches at this point really get stitches. Infected ones. I assume when they go home at night, they're cleaning their razors. So they're respectable about it. Yeah, I'm sure they're putting in rubbing alcohol. You want to slash a guy, but you don't want to give him an infection, right? Yeah. Have some manners. No, there's rules of engagement. When the war started raging, Tilly moved out of the gang infested neighborhood into a suburb. She had a proper home with crystal glassware and would have dinner service. This allowed her to talk more shit about Kate's class status. Right, because she had crystal. Yeah. It was like a bunch of... Yeah, there's

three people just fucking walked out like it was nothing. And they're all going to the bathroom. Yeah. You want to wait? A guy... It would be so great to wait. Just so great to wait. 20 minutes. I mean, I think he's sick. I don't know what his deal is, but this is... Who goes in there? A guy and two girls. Yep. There goes another guy. Jesus. All right. We shouldn't have access to seeing the bathroom anymore. It's becoming my new favorite show. Who's pissing? In 1929, Tilly bought some meat from a butcher and came back to complain that the meat was bad. That happens in a lot of her businesses. There's a convict one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. She threw the meat at the butcher. Okay. So she doesn't know how to return things.

Or she's really good at it. Maybe. And she threatened to clean up the place. Well, thank you. It is a little dirty. I mean, I thank you, Tilly. That's very nice of you. Then she picked up the meat and went around the shop putting it in front of customers' noses and ordering them to smell it. Tilly, no, that's not how we clean here. What are you doing? Smell it. Smell it. Yeah, it's bad. Isn't it? It's, you know, something. It was also on the floor. Yeah. That's not great. I just want my money back. She then grabbed a long knife and put it against the butcher's heart and made him open the cash register. Quote, give me my money back or I'll plunge this through your heart. Jesus. He gave her the

money. Yeah. In court, after hearing the story, the jury indicated that it did not want to hear anything further and acquitted Tilly. Wow. What is, is there, is she just a sympathetic figure or they hate the butcher? No, it's fucking scared of her. Okay, right. Gotcha. Okay. So they weren't, right. I mean, who threatens a butcher? Particularly the animals, I guess. Meanwhile, Kate went to jail in June, 1929 for being the keeper of a house frequented by reputed thieves. They're really cracking down on shit. Sure. Yeah. While she was in jail, there was a fight between the gangs. Two of Kate's men shot one of Tilly's men in the street. Okay. The gang who, the guy who shot him was nicknamed gunman. Well, you

saw that coming. Good Lord. Gunman shot me. Gunman? Troy Gunman? Of the gunman's? Shot yeah. Yeah. Whoa. He's the only guy who couldn't switch to razors. Yeah, he was like, I can't, my dad got a thing. My dad's a gunman, my grandpa. It's a whole fucking thing. Yeah. So I'm thinking of using a razor over my dead body. You're not my son. Yeah. So the guy he shot wasn't dead. And then that guy, you know, had to get some, get some revenge. So Jim and Tilly went home and Jim got his gun because he heard about the shooting. Okay. And then the guy who had been shot took a tram to their house. Okay, sure. Yeah, just the casual ride. Excuse me, you're getting blood on me. I know I'm getting blood on me too. You live around

here. Yeah, I live a little ways up. Are you okay? I'm dying, but I just got one more thing to do. Shit, it burns. It burns? Yeah, burns. Can't believe nobody would give me a seat. That is true. He got to their house around midnight. And at the same dying. Yeah. Sorry, I'm bleeding out. And gunman and another Kate henchman arrived at the same time. And they climbed the fence and gunman yelled quote, I'm out for blood, you bastard. And then Jim shot him. Well, he kind of gets it then. Yeah. And as he was laying dying in the hospital, he was questioned by police. And he said quote, I know you are police go away. Like it. Yep. Jim was arrested. And that's still sticking to this code of sort of not ratting. No ratting. Right. Jim

was arrested and charged with murder. The court found it justifiable homicide. Boy, but that's probably because the guy was climbing over the fence saying I'm out for your blood, you bastard. Right. Yeah. No, there is a good case. Jim refused to testify against Kate. The other henchman. Kate's new chauffeur and friend Bruce Higgs told the cop he thought he was up next. What was he also a protector and a getaway driver? Or he's just a straight chauffeur. He's a straight chauffeur. Wow. He's a protector. How about some versatility, right? He thought he was up next. He was anticipating quote, blue, I'm expecting at any time and it will be a beaut. So he's expecting to get slashed in the face. And he's excited? Well, he's just saying, you know,

it's coming. It's coming. So whatever. Just get the keys. He's getting a capital L on his mug. Yeah. Right. He's not freaked out. He's like, this is just what we do. Right. I'm going to be an L face, whatever. He apparently seemed pretty comfortable with it. Sure enough, a week later, Higgs static staggered into the street bleeding from seven slashes. Jesus. One over each eye, four on his forehead and one behind his right ear. Forehead. Makes sense. Four. Oh. Hey. Hi. Hi. Yeah. Yeah. Spelled differently though. Sure. But I'm not after the spelling competition, Dave. I'm a punsman. Just like my daddy was a punsman. And his father before him. Oh, God. Oh, sorry. I keep standing on accident.

Higgs refused to give any information saying he could not recognize any of his attackers. Wow. Other people were wounded, were wounded in the attack. Police said the weapons used were bottle bottles, razors, stones and boots. Well, it's a good thing they got rid of guns. I mean, this is that that's the argument in America against gun control. Then people have boots. Same difference. So clearly the government needed to come up with a way to break up the gangs. So parliament passed the consorting clause. Sure. It was written specifically to assist in the destruction of the razor gangs. It provided harsh penalties for anyone who quote habitually consorts with reputed thieves or prostitutes or persons who have no visible or lawful means of

support. Okay. So if you associate with these people that you've prostitute or it sounds like a homeless, okay, you're in trouble. Yeah. Okay. So in this time, you could really only talk to like three occupations. Yeah, the butcher, the butcher, the police and we'll think of a third and an amazing third. So basically now it's a crime for criminals to hang out with each other. Okay. Basically, the New South Wales police were given unlimited powers to imprison anyone who associate anyone who's a criminal or they thought was a criminal. Right. So basically total authority. Yeah. Before it was even passed, the police formed a consorting squad and they hit the ground running the second it was passed. In 1930, the police arrested 54 men and 62 women

for consorting. 68 were sentenced to prison. After only a few weeks, the government minister responsible for police said quote, the reign of terror has ended. And the police commissioner quote, no other act of parliament has been of such assistance for years and ridding the city and streets of undesirables. Okay. So shit's fucking happening. Is it? I think so. Okay. Well, you know, I mean, yeah, I wrote this. Right. Okay. I thought you did. I thought that's how it worked. I was like, I didn't write this. The first major criminal to test the consorting clause was Tilly. Of course. She was arrested for hanging out with her employees. Well, that's a bad business model then. I mean, that is a flaw in the model. She promised the judge

she would leave Australia for two years if she was not tried in court. Wow. She's a good negotiator. She is a fucking good negotiator. Dynamite. And he agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they threw a bunch of parties for around town for three weeks. And then she left for England. Her husband, Jim, was left behind to run the business. And Tilly took care of her ill mother in London. It's estimated over 500 people had their faces slashed by razors in the razor gang wars. Wow. Jesus. Yeah. So at that point, it's just normal to have. Yeah. No, you're weird if you don't. Yeah. When you get your L as soon, I think, I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, it's my birthday coming up. Yeah, fingers crossed. The two women still battled through the press, though. Oh, God. Kate

told the truth that the title of worst woman in Sydney belonged to Tilly. And Tilly told the London paper that quote to keep my name out of the papers in any connection with Kate Lee's as I don't wish to know her class. Spicy. I love that there's there's classism in this. Right. Yeah. No, this is it. It's all this is a I mean, this is this is a Twitter fight, essentially is what we have here. Yeah, it is Twitter fight. Yeah. Sad. Tilly said spoke to Tilly today, a known sex worker, just sad all around sad behavior. Hashtag mega. Smartest president ever. Which is what he said. Yep. They just don't say that. That's what smart people say. Yeah. Smart people say they're the smartest. I tell smart people work. If you're smart, you go, I'm smarter than you. I told you

that's I've my dad one time was driving and I was like, I was very I was like seven. And I like made fun of him for something. And I was laughing. And he looked over at me at a stoplight and he goes, I'm one of the smartest men you're ever going to meet. Seven. And I was like, I remember you. But it's seven being like, what? That's weird, right? That's a weird thing to say. I don't I didn't meet my dad. How are you? Good to finally do this. No, I came from there. Thanks a bunch. It's good to put a semen with a face finally. It's good to now the kids can go. So Jim ran the business for his wife, Tilly, while she was he not going to run up against the same

issues? Of course he is. Okay, great. There was a lot more fighting between the gangs while he was in charge. And then one guy, a Tomlinson picked one of Tilly's guys out of a lineup. This was obviously against the code of the gang, right? Everyone was pissed. Even guys on his side, right? Doing a lunch break at the trial, one of Kate's men attacked Tomlinson in the court. That's legal at lunch, I think. If it's lunchtime, you can just do whatever the fuck you want. It's all free at that point. A few months later, four men raided Kate's house with the intent to kill Tomlinson. They were trying to bash in her back door. One man, John Pentegrast, came in and threw a brick at her. But he hit a light bulb and then she shot him. Oh, my God. Oh, man.

Worst case scenario for your brick plan. Can we take a time out? Shit, shit, shit. Ah, I only had one loaded brick. Yes, I should have brought it. In retrospect, a couple bricks, maybe a gun. A what? Maybe aiming practice. A gun? Yeah, not a gun. Wow. It's not what we do. We're brick people. My father was a brickman. His father was a brickman. His father, though, worked in mud. Well, and he's like, he's like the off brickman. He's the one they're training him in the yard. And they're like, your toss is too high. You're going to hit lights when you throw like that. Shut up, dad. I'm not you. Where's the light dying? Yeah, so she shot him and killed him. Okay, good. Glad we mocked him on the way out.

Fuck him. He was coming in to kill her. Yeah. That's no. Three days later, Pentegrast's brother and two other men were charged with having broken and entered the premises and assaulted Kate Lee with intent to murder her. But they were released for lack of evidence. Okay. Seems to happen a lot. Yeah. Jim's handling of Tilly's business was not going well. In March 1931, he was slashed severely across the face by a razor man. And three months later, one of their own henchmen needed money and he decided to rob Jim. Hey, boss. Hey, how are you, bud? Yeah, good. So can I just get everything? Um, I don't you work for? Not anymore. Okay, here, take everything. Call me boss. You're the man. You're the boss. Brick. Shit. Shit.

So he robs him, Jim chases after him and shoots at him. But he missed him and killed a taxi driver who was driving by. Oh my God, the look a fucking guy in a taxi driving by and that's what you hit. Oh my God. That's terrible. I mean, just some guy. One of the few honest people. Now the guy he tried to shoot Frank Green was a bit of a legend from the Sydney truth quote. Frank Green is regarded as a medical freak and is called the man who can't be killed. Wait, who is he? This is the guy who tried the guy robbed. Okay, right. He's the man who can't be killed because he has been shot more times than anyone else in Australia and is literally full of lead. Oh my God, he's like Tupac. No, Tupac didn't make it. Huh? No, he did. He came back. He was a Coachella a couple years ago.

No, that's a good point. A couple months later, Kate was back on trial again this time for selling cocaine. The truth called her quote, Sydney's vicious heredon of the underworld. As the detective who led the case spoke about her career, selling drugs, calling her a low moral type, dangerous, and capable of committing any crime, Kate leaned over to him and said, throw me a kiss, love. Whoa. Is that Mockingley or is she? Okay, right. It'd be a weird time for a connection. I've had real feelings for you. Hey, man. Yeah. I'm feeling something too. Yeah. Still, I am a witness right now on your on trial. Hey, you're getting a boner. You need someone to bang that gavel? I'm not the judge. Oh, get out of here. Where's the judge?

I'm looking for an underrobe. When the detective said that previously, Kate had shot and killed the pentagrass, the judge said quote, she shot a scoundrel and I applaud her for that. Good lady. Kate was sentenced to 12 months in jail for selling the drug. Okay. This was the biggest sentence in the history of New South Wales for a drug conviction. 12 months. That's how it should be. Yeah, I agree. I mean, way less. It's crazy. She had a comfortable life in prison ruling over the women inmates, many of whom were prostitutes. But you just can't like, she's just gonna turn, she's gonna flourish wherever she goes. Yeah, right. She received the governor's wife for tea one day. Okay, sure. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And she

still managed her brothels from in prison. Okay. In October 1930, in England, Tilly told the newspaper that Kate was the greatest top off, which meant informer in Sydney. And Tilly was not alone. A lot of people thought that's how Kate stayed out of jail after being arrested so many times. Remember, she's been arrested. Right. Yeah, yeah, right. Hundreds. When Tilly came back to England, Jim tried to kill her by shooting at her. So their marriage is not great. Well, you've got to look. I mean, that just shows that they're not communicating. That's what it says to me that they're not having honest communication. Right. You need to talk in a marriage or else someone's going to shoot someone in the face. Talk. Yeah. This isn't Florida. Talk. Yeah.

Or here you would say Queensland. This isn't Queensland talk. Thank you, sir. Local. Doing the local. He missed, of course, because he's Jim. Yep. Obviously. That's an awkward thing when you miss. Because when you miss back then, it takes forever to load. Yeah. So you're just like, honey, there was a bear behind you. Yes. In June, 1933, Kate found herself on, oh, sorry. Kate did not testify against Jim for shooting at her and he was acquitted. The code. Okay. In June, 1933, Kate found herself on trial again. This time, when her long list of crimes was read, Detective Bowie said Kate is not without her good side. He said he had once seen her giving food to the unemployed.

So she's sweet. Yeah. She's a sweetie. Yeah. I mean, besides all the killing and right. Right. But you get food to a guy once Kate was sentenced to rustication. Oh, so she's got to get wet and be made of metal. Yes. In the end, she sits out and right. So it turns a brown. That means you were banished to a country town at least 200 miles away. Okay. That's pretty fucked up. I take jail. Oh my God, I would absolutely, I would be like that was my plan anyway. Send me to the farm. I just go live with Will's family. Two years later, Kate, now 48 years old was charged with possession of phenobarbitone and her bail was set at 100 pounds. Shit. So they're bringing it. They both keep committing

crimes over the years, but the days of the gang war is over. And in 1942, Tilly was fined 10 pounds for having rented a place to a woman for immoral purposes, meaning that she was going to do the that we're talking about. Renting the room for the old burner. I'm talking about the homo homo. I'm talking about a little there's going to be a car race, a car race. Yeah. So right, there's going to be a Bugs Bunny is going to be at a camp. Yeah. Right. The desert. Right. That's right. This ain't Poughkeepsie. That we just found the old guy. Yeah.

In 1943, parliament passed a disorderly house act and the first person whose house was declared a disorderly house was Tilly divine. Sure. She was given six months in prison. She was given another six months for wounding a woman in a fight. When the judge sentenced her, Tilly shouted at him, why wouldn't you let to give me any more? You rotten old dirty fuck. Oh my God. And of course, it's great. Even if that adds more time, it's just so great to shout that at a judge. Just that feeling has to be like, I'll take it. But because due to doctor's orders, because she was ill, she was not put in jail.

Wow. So the loopholer, she is the loopholer. Now the guy that the guy that Jim shot at, who was the guy who wouldn't die, right? The guy who robbed him and then he couldn't shoot at. Yeah. His girlfriend stabbed him in the heart. Wait, stabbed the guy who couldn't die in the heart? Yeah, he didn't make it. That's a fun eulogy. Well, it turns out he could. He's been Elliot Smith. Wow. Oh, some people know that he was murdered by his girlfriend. That's right. What rock star on heroin stabs himself twice in the heart? A good one. Three months later, Tilly got into a knife fight with a 23-year-old man.

Jesus Christ. I mean, what? Who do you think won? I think she won. Yeah. Yeah. She got... I mean, you got to be like, oh, shit. She got four stitches and he got 12. She finally divorced Jim in 1943 and in February 1945, Tilly was charged with attempting to murder Eric Parsons, who was shot in the leg. He said he was in the street and Tilly said she was in bed, so she couldn't have done it. Oh, well, again, I mean, we've got the sleeping alibi, which seems to be pretty airtight. We all remember the people versus Jewy. And your excuse? I was having a kip, sir. Cocked out I was.

So, quote, the truth newspaper, March 31st, 1945. Tilly Devine was acquitted yesterday on a charge of having shot Eric Parsons, who did not appear in court. Okay. May 1945. Jesus. Unconvictable. Tilly Devine married Eric Parsons. Oh my God. Well, there are, there are bonding experiences. Like, have you ever shot anybody in the leg? Yeah. My wife, I shot my wife in the leg. Right. Yeah. It just bonds you forever. Oh my God. Talk about a meat cute. That's fun. That's a romcom. Kate started exchanging letters. Oh, oh, and then where did I put this? Oh, no. So, she quickly, Eric just leaves. Like, they're married very briefly. And then he was like,

you know, you shot me in the leg and rude. Not into that now that I think about it. I probably shouldn't have married you. But you're so good and bad. It's like you've done it a lot. That's where I shot you from. Kate started exchanging letters with Shiner Ryan. Yeah, I remember him. Well, he was in two black eyes. I remember the, the, the first robbery where they took off in a car. Uh-huh. It was one of those guys. Okay. So he sent her a painting he had done. Oh God. Christ holding a black lamb. No. Hold on. Picture's not over yet. Christ holding a black lamb named Shiner outside of Fremantle jail. Oh man. Even if it's a good painting, it's still like, you're crazy, right? What the fuck are you doing? It's all the things that matter to us.

Yeah. I named myself after the lamb. Yeah. The lamb's named Shiner. Yeah, he names. Oh, I like the lamb. His name's Shiner too. I think it's great you put Christ in front of the jail with the lamb. Yeah. Holding me as a sheep that's black. Yeah. I love you too. Yeah. That's what this says. How much I love you. When he was released, he went to Sydney where they quickly announced their engagement and got married and the marriage lasted three weeks. Cool. That's fine. Shiner loved Western Australia too much. That's where he was from. And he just went back to Western Australia. Well, that's where Jesus was holding him. So it's like... Kate tried to get three pounds a week alimony and Shiner refused and said he'd rather go to prison where he could

also get treatment for his asthma. Let's talk about that. It's before universal health care. But how is he going to be... What's the benefit of jail for an asthmatic? Well, he's probably not as much running. Right. And then... So he's not getting any help. He's just like, I need a vacation. I really... I just got to get away. I mean, I'm just so stressed. I think there's... In the hospital, they take care of the prisoners and the medical wing. So it's probably the only opportunity he has for medical care. It's like America. Shoot me. I have cancer. Shoot me. All right. Then I can get a doctor. So... They didn't laugh because it's sad. Yeah, it is sad. Got really real there for a second. In 1950, Kate gave an interview to a paper. She talked about Tilly. Quote,

we were enemies for years. Tilly would put the dirt in about me to friends and then I tear into Tilly and we chase each other from one street to another. But that's all done now. Tilly's a very good woman, mind you, no matter what the police say. Kate married for a third time to another criminal. Okay. They got separated also. In 1951, Tilly was more not to return to Melbourne because she would be arrested. So she returned to Melbourne and was arrested. Okay. Sure. For a parole violation. Quote, she was wearing 13 diamond rings and had 296 pounds in cash. Well, she's like Kanye. If you're going to roll up, he's sneaky. Fucking blinging down the street. They're like, if you look past the diamonds. In July, 1952, a newspaper quote,

Kate Lee appeared at the licensing court today charged with selling Sligrog. Outside the court, Lee tried to knock a camera from the hands of a newspaper photographer. I mean, they're fucking old ladies now. They're still bad asses. She's still fucking selling booze. Also, Sligrog... Are they Sligrogging at the courthouse? It's fucking 1952. Why are you Sligrogging at that point? Just straight Grog. Is she selling the Sligrog at the courthouse? No. Okay. That's what I thought was happening. No, she's in court for selling Sligrog. She's fucking rolling with a cart. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you like some Sligrog? Not guilty. August 1954, Kate was driven into bankruptcy when the government came after her for unpaid taxes, totaling 7,130 pounds. Okay.

October 1955, the taxation department came for Tilly saying she owed more than 20,000 pounds. Okay. That's how they figured out to shut them down. Right. Because they weren't doing their taxes properly in these illegal businesses. Right. Kate had a stroke and died on February 5th, 1964. She was 84 years old. Tilly sold off her last brothel in 1968. Oh, my God. Was it mums? I've got to let Inses go. She died broke on November 24th, 1970. From her obituary quote, Ms. Devine's last public appearance was about five years ago when she alleged that a male friend had slipped her a Mickey. Oh, that's good. And robbed her of more than 6,000 worth of diamonds. The only public eulogy offered at Tilly's funeral was that by police commissioner,

Norman Allen, who said quote, she was a villain, but who am I to judge her? Yep. Police used to just be way cooler. Yeah. Yeah. Like they would like that. I mean, there's something nice about that, the respect. Yeah. Respect the game. Yeah. Respect the game. Unlike now. No, police are great now. Yeah. Hopefully they listen. Boy, that is quite a feud. Yeah. They weren't kidding around. No. And even though what's so weird is like when you, like, obviously, you know, they murder and cut elves into humans' faces, but you still like, because of the era, you just are like, they're just bad asses. Yeah, they're totally badass. Yeah. Because that is like a, that is a world where it would, it was male dominated and still

breaking the glass ceiling right there with a razor in their hands. They're cutting the glass ceiling open. Very impressive. Shit. You had to be a real badass woman to fucking take charge of a criminal empire those days. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I want to be a badass woman. I'm not sure what just happened, but there's a brothel here called badass women. Is there? I don't know. It's right next to grandmoms. You don't look that bad. Stop. The hardest to see out of? That's not easy. I've put Dave's glasses on. It's not easy. Yeah, I can see something. You can see something. Yeah. I smudged him already. Yeah. I don't know. That's good. I like that. That's not a bad story.

What's happening right now? I'm just, I'm reflecting. I'm having my moment of reflection, which I've earned. It sounds like you thought it was a bad story at one point. No. I mean, it's a good, like, I think that, not that it's a bad story, that it's like, it's not a heart-wrenching story. It's a story of, I take, I see the glass half full with these two. You kind of like them at the end, didn't you? I like them throughout most of it, to be totally honest. I just think that if you are like, like, if it's just, I mean, it's, it is, like you said, I mean, it's just, it's a much harder position to get to. And these, they had the cops fucking shaking in their boots, cutting L's in people's faces, shooting or, and claiming you were just

taking naps. Yeah. That is the best alibi ever. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I was napping. Sorry. Yeah. No way I could have shot that guy. Someone was sleeping. Look at my face. It's got pillow marks. Could I not? And it's coated in blood. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Yeah, fuck. Shit fuck. Shit fuck. We want to thank all the children for coming out tonight. Thank you to the kids. You learned some stuff. No, we really, we really appreciate everybody coming out, obviously. Thank you guys very much. We will be, like Dave, the gin drinker said earlier, we will be out there signing and hanging out. And thank you very much for coming out, everybody. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.