The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 31 - Jack Parsons

Episode Date: November 8, 2014

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about something. The date was October 2nd 1914. So we're starting. Marvel Whiteside Parsons was born in Los Angeles. That name needs to be framed on my wall. He was the second child of Marvel and Ruth Parsons so a guy named Marvel named his son Marvel. When you get it right why change it. Well I'm guessing that he didn't get it right because I'm guessing all of the abuse he took for having the name Marvel as a child. Who names her kid Marvel and then thinks that anything's gonna work out. A great person. Imagine. It's probably that's how you compensate a little bit for being a shitty dad. You're

like this is he man. My son he man. I will be leaving. Would you like to meet Thor? This is my boy Thor. Have you met the incredible Hulk? He's five. Can I tell you something? I met Thor. Thor was playing soccer with five-year-olds in Laker Center where I live and his this kid's name was Thor and he was blonde and he was about two feet taller than the other kids and I said is he the same age and she goes yeah and I said what's his name and she said Thor and I said you're fucking kidding me. You're fucking look me in the eyes. What you are is you're in like the first ten minutes of the first Thor movie. Like that's

where you basically are living at that point. You're like a guy who's like hey this kid shouldn't play and someone's like it'll be fine. It'll be good. 15 years later this man can make a hammer fly into his hand. Flying hammer. Alright so Marvel White said Parsons is the second child of Marvel and Ruth Parsons the first child died at birth. Happened last week also. Soon after Marvel's birth the senior Marvel had an affair with another woman and Ruth divorced her new husband. That's quick. That's fast. In and out of that marriage. I marvel at it. Bitter from the affair Ruth began calling the boy John rather than Marvel.

Someone call it an upgrade. I'm not okay with it. I know but it's just a weird thing to do. Your John now what? I hate your father. The most common name. Jesus but she never never legally changed his name. So perfect as the boy grew close friends and family would come to call him Jack which is how he is often remembered today. Yeah three names like three names. What am I Melka Jamal Warner. I have three. My name is John Marvel Jack. Hey Marvel I mean John I'm a Jack. I'm all of them. Ruth Young Jack and her parents who moved from Chicago to look after her and Jack stayed in they lived in Pasadena. If we could refer to

him as Peter from now on that would make me feel better. Peter and Frank they moved out of the street known in Pasadena as Millionaires Mile. Wow okay. So the grandparents are loaded. Yeah they're fucking stacked. Imagine not being loaded on that straight. Jack's father Marvel Parsons dropped completely out of sight after 1915. He may have joined the army. He may have died in 1922 both are unconfirmed. That's closure for you. Although one is much worse than the other. Yes for sure. Yeah. So two things might have happened. Ruth Parsons. Hey Marvel Jack John here's the two options for your dad's death. We love to give

choice. Sit down Marvel Jack John. Your father might be dead or he might be in the army. All right. There you go. Go play ball. Get in the car on the bike or in the plane. Have fun. Ruth Parsons is listed as a widow in the 1923 Pasadena City Directory. Okay back in the awesome days when they listed whether or not you were a widow. Oh man. So the so the local con man coming into town could know which house to go to to swindle. Take that tender. Around this time when Jack was in the eighth grade he made a lifelong friend when he was being bullied. Edward Foreman intervened on Jack's behalf and the two were inseparable

after that. Okay. He made a friend. He made a friend. Parsons and Foreman soon learned they shared other interests. I'm worried about this friend already. That's gonna be a second. I was happy he had a friend already a little worried. They share interests. No. Science fiction. That's good. My butt is in the ass. And rocketry. If you think this goes to the craziest places that we've ever been. The rocket instructions most likely came from one of the many build your own kits advertising the pages of science fiction magazines. They love to blow off fireworks in Parsons backyard. In 1928 they began to experiment with

small solid fuel rockets. People who knew Jack at the time said his yard was full of holes and burn spots. Red flag. Totally normal. No. Jack had also begun to investigate occultism and independently performed a ritual intended to invoke the devil into his bedroom. So let's take a time out. Okay. Just a kid made a kid. Well when you were 12 did you not ever summon the devil? I never I never summoned him. I felt his presence. Okay but as a kid you do things that are foolish. Fair but I don't I feel like summoning summoning the devil. I'll give you an example. Like when I was a kid I went down to there's a school that

had been shut down and I went down and threw rocks at the windows and broke a couple of windows. Right. That's a kid being a kid. Yeah. So same thing. Different things. Summoning the devil. Let's proceed but I'll say throwing rocks at a building as opposed to getting the Dark Lord in your room. There's a little bit of a moat. He worried that the invocation was successful and was so frightened that he ceased all such activities. Well yeah okay. I didn't know it would work. Yeah. Did you feel that after you threw those rocks? Probably not. Of his childhood. Of his childhood he wrote. He does this in the third

person. Oh cool. Unnormal. That's what happens when you well when you have three names you write in the third person there. John this is Jack writing you. Sincerely Marvel. Your isolation as a child developed the necessary background of literature and scholarship. Okay so he was alone so he got into school and literature and the unfortunate experiences with other children developed the requisite contempt for the crowd and the group Moors. I mean I don't even know what we're saying but I'm worried. You will know that these factors developed the needful hatred for Christianity at an extremely early age. Hmm. Okay. That's

normal. It's not. Let's get that devil back in here. After receiving poor high school results Parsons mother sent him away to study at a private boarding school in San Diego the Brown Military Academy for boys but he was expelled for blowing up the toilets. I'm assuming that's not diarrhea related. God I wish it was. After Jack spent the summer of 1929 on a tour of Europe before returning to Pasadena with the onset of the Great Depression their fortune began to dwindle and in July 1931 Jack's grandfather Walter died. Jack began studying at the privately run. Turn the page. Yeah. University school. Wow. A

liberal arts institution. Okay. High school. He flourished at the school become editor of the school's newspaper and winning an award for literary excellence while teachers that had trained at a nearby California Institute of Technology honed his attentions on the study of chemistry through practical demonstrations. Okay. I will say this in my limited experience chemistry when that's said on a dollar podcast that's not a good thing for the person to take interest. I disagree. I think you will at the end of this tell me that you do agree. Because the family was low on money Jack took a holiday job at the

Hercules powder company where he got to handle a wide range of explosives. In 1918 the Hercules powder company was among the largest in the world with three thousand workers and nine TNT lines producing seven million pounds per month or one third of all the TNT used by the United States in the Great War. A third of the TNT at the height of TNT. Yes. Come on you can tell me it was a pocketing summer bringing it home. Oh my are you kidding me TNT in the pocket. Every single day they must have been like man you're getting heavy every morning they be like you look fantastic. Eight pounds last night. Yeah. In 1933 Jack graduated

from the university school Parsons informant attended Pasadena junior college together both spent two years at the expense of private college but neither graduated. Jack dropped out because he could not afford the school. Sad. Sad and honestly a little worrisome. The two kept on with their love of rockets. I mean come on. I mean seriously you're gonna just move on. The two continued their love of rockets. Yes a couple gentlemen who are enjoying their love of rockets together. Listen if this doesn't take place in no no. In the spring of 1935 Jack not 20 years old married Helen Northrop whom he met at a

church dance. How did she feel about hearing that he wanted to go play rockets with his best friend or that he hated Christianity. Exactly. He wrote the early marriage to Helen served to break your family ties and affect a transference to her away from a dangerous attachment to your mother. Healthy. Well it's healthy on a lot of levels he's saying that he was too attached to his mother and then secondly he's talking to himself in the third person. That autumn after seeing an article in the Pasadena evening post about a lecture given at the California Institute of Technology Parsons and Ed Foreman went to campus

to talk to the speaker. The topic was the rocket experiments of Austrian Eugene Sanger and it concluded with speculation on the possibility of stratospheric passenger carriers. In other words. Whoa. Space ship. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Wait. Now wait a minute. Listen we already took a pinto to the skies. Yes. You are. Are we fucking space bound. You don't try to guess it. You have no idea where this one's going. You cannot possibly guess. I'll allow it. Sanger recommended Parsons and Foreman go speak to Frank J. Molina. Daniel Guggenheim Guggenheim had set up a 2.5 million fund to start seven aeronautical schools in seven universities

including Caltech. A sum of 300,000 was earmarked for Caltech for the construction of a laboratory in the establishment of a graduate school in aeronautics. It became known as Gal Kit. G-A-L-C-I-T. Galsit. Catchy. Galsit. One of the Galsit peoples was a graduate student named Frank Molina who was working toward his PhD. The informally trained Parsons and Foreman were eager to try whatever happened to spring to mind and contrasted with the approach of Molina who insisted on the need for scientific discipline as informed by von Karman who was Molina's doctoral advisor at the Caltech lab. Sounds like a

healthy group. So one guy was all about the cautious scientific approach and the other two guys. You mean the square. The other two guys were like yeah let's pack it in a squirrel and light it. We got to get the square out of here. The three would begin experimenting with rockets together. I mean I. What. Well pre-rockets. Yeah yeah look I'm not I'm not going to guess what's going on but I will say this is not good. I'm reading you the beginning of rockets. Jack Parsons was the chemist Foreman was the engineer and Molina the mathematician. They put together a proposal for funding from Galsit and started test firing their rocket motor. Their

experiments finally worked. These were the first solid fuel rockets like used in space shuttle rocket boosters today. A solid look. I just can't imagine having access to things that's really went to space before you knew that things would go to space. Apparently you could also just go get it wherever. Like yeah. Our high school graduates who are now working. God we need a laboratory a lord of graduating high school. Get that back and I'll be president. It's just too high. Two guys who just graduate high school walk up to a guy in his PhD and go hey and I'm gonna put rockets in the sky. Rockets. Yeah. Yeah. Rockets. A solid

fuel rocket has its fuel and oxidant mixed together as fine powders and then pressed into a solid cake. Once it has been lit it will carry on burning until it's used up. This was the beginning of the jet propulsion laboratory. How do you feel right now? Nervous. JPL. Very nervous. You know what JPL is right? Yeah jet propulsion laboratory. It's right up the street. Well famous laboratory. Yeah it's huge. I go there all the time. Late. Honestly if you can't get a hold of me. That's where you are. I'm there. Yeah. Late 1938 reporters were coming to Galsit. I hope it's Galsit. It could be Galkit. The Galkit test site every day

asking for the rocketeers predictions about when the moon landing would be. So now reporters are like when are you guys going to the moon kid? Well the pressure. I mean they're like being fucked with by reporters. Yeah. Hey when's the when's the big moon part? So feels like moon time. How close are we? Hey not to be an asshole but the moon would be fun. I don't want this to get weird. Hey let's get up there get some of the space cheese come back down. We know what we're doing. The first substantial influx of money came from the United States Army Air Corps. Of course. The U.S. had not yet entered World War II but the military

wanted small rockets that could lift heavy aircraft off the ground. At this time Jack Parsons was living with Helen working on the Halifax gun powder working at the Halifax gun powder company and working on the rocket experiment. So the rocket experiments are just a hobby. Yeah no it's nice that he's constantly surrounded by the flammable explosives. That must make like her feel great. He constructed a home laboratory on the front porch of their house. Oh that's that's the right place for this laboratory. Put it where you put your hanging chair and hammock. Right up there where the neighbors can see

the demolition when they drive by. This allowed him to work on his chemicals and explosives at any time of the day. Okay imagine living next door to this asshole. Imagine being the mailman. Imagine being the wife I mean. Parsons spent most of his wages including the Gausset rocket research group funding on the rocket. So he was giving all his money to this rocket research. So every dime he makes except for you know basic needs. Yeah for extra money he manufactured nitroglycerin in their home. Can this guy not just go like fucking wash a car or something? You know I'm gonna make a little side money by working

in the nitroglycerin business. He's got skills. Yeah I mean he's got skills. Go paint a fucking wall. For extra money he manufactured nitroglycerin in their home and at one point he pawned Helen's engagement ring and and would often ask her family for loans. Husband of the year husband of the year. What did you do with my ring? I sold it for rocket fuel. Honey I'm working on nitroglycerin rocket fuel. Take some of this dynamite and shut up. I'm Wiley Coyote. Hey you married a cartoon. So the three became well known on campus earning the moniker of Suicide Squad for the dangerous nature of their experiments and

attracting the attention of the local press. Jack gained further media publicity when he appeared as an expert explosive witness in the trial of Earl Kinnett the head of the police intelligence in Los Angeles who was accused of setting a bomb to kill private investigator Harry Raymond. When Kinnett was convicted largely on Jack's testimony his identity as an expert scientist and the public eye was established despite his lack of a university education. Yeah yeah yeah I feel it. I feel it right now David. So he's just a guy blowing shit up and someone's like can you come down to the trial. He's he's just yeah he

just got George W. Bush. Oh my god he did. Yeah he just right he right place right time to. In January 1939 Jack and Helen attended a Gnostic Mass of the Church of Thelima with friend John Baxter a gay man who was fond of Jack and his sister Francis a lesbian who was fond of Helen. I mean how you doing. What webs are we tangling at the moment. Oh boy. Yeah it's about to get weird. We're gonna talented Mr. Ripley this shit. The Mass was written by Alistair Crowley and there Jack and Helen met Wilfrid Smith the high priest who wanted to fuck all of them who was desperate to fuck

everyone in his church. Crowley was born in England in 1875 was a novelist poet, mountaineer, painter, philosopher who was allowed to only read the Bible growing up. He faked his own death to create interest in one of his painting exhibitions. Mystical societies were very popular in late 1800s Britain. Crowley joined the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn which believed that humans were only partway up the ladder of physical evolution and that if properly disciplined that the human will was capable of anything it wished most notably contracting intelligence and intelligence is outside the physical

world. Okay. Crowley left after not advancing rapidly enough so he didn't quit. It's like I'm listen I'll be a human. I'm not gonna the whole I can't do the intelligence outside the physical world thing. Yeah. Crowley and his wife Rose Kelly who he called his scarlet woman married in 1903 and went to Cairo Egypt. His scarlet woman? Yeah. Is that a plan scarlet letter? I think so. That must be a great sweet that's a lovely term for your significant other. Well he's a monster. Come here whore. And they went to Cairo Egypt where after hash-induced trances he wrote the book of law. I've done that. In 1912,

Crowley would seize control of the Ordo Templi Orientis or OTO a small quasi-Masonic group. He would rewrite its rituals, incorporate the book of law, and add the Gnostic mass as its ceremonial centerpiece. One OTO ritual preserved was the use of sex as an intrinsic component of the working of magic. They believe sexual ecstasy lifted one to a different plane of consciousness. There were 10 degrees of attainment and the sex magic secrets would be revealed at level nine. Now you cannot... Are you in? I mean I'm in. Do you want level nine? Listen, I mean if there's... From all the crazy shit I've

heard, if somebody was just like, look if you fuck hard enough you'll touch God's beard. I'd be like yeah let's fucking... I'm ready to try this. Alright let's get that beard. Worst-case scenario, I don't touch the beard. That's okay. That's okay with me. I just got fucked a lot but I didn't touch the beard. Anyway, I'm gonna probably go take a nap, get a Gatorade. I just fucked a lot. A lot. Wilford Smith, the high priest, started selling Parsons Crow... Parsons Crowley's books. He started selling Jack Crowley's books. Helen began reading them and the two began getting more involved in what was called the Agape Lodge where the church of

Salima rituals were held in Los Angeles. I know Agape. I don't think it's the same Agape. Okay. Jack wrote of himself... Marvel John Jack. Jack's gonna write to himself again. Your father separated from your mother in order that you might grow up with a hatred of authority and a spirit of revolution necessary to my work. Then he went... Yeah, he goes first person. Yes, that's normal and fine. The Oedipus complex was needed... Whoa! We're just throwing that around? The Oedipus complex was needed to formulate the love of witchcraft. Witchcraft. No. Which would lead you into magic with the influence of

your grandfather active to prevent, to complete, an identification with your mother. Okay. So... I mean, let me ask you this. What isn't happening right now? He's admitting that he wants to fuck his mom. Okay. There. But his grandfather was able to help out. Good old Gramps. Get in there. Good old Gramps. Molina approached the National Academy of Sciences committee on Army Air Corps research to request funding for research into what they referred to as jet propulsion. A term chosen to avoid the stigma attached to rocketry. Because everyone thought rocketry was stupid. They thought it was like... It's Obamacare. Well,

they thought rocketry was like from stupid movies. Like Flash Gordon. That's what they thought. I'm sorry. First of all, stupid movies Flash Gordon. I apologize. You know the song, right? I know the song. How does it go? That's the new theme. Perfect. He is a mini-man-man-man. The military gave the rocket research group 1000 to put together a proposal on the feasibility of jet assisted takeoff. By June 1939, they became the first US government sanctioned rocket research group. This is two guys in high school who from high school. Yeah. Two high school graduates. Jack demonstrated the potential use of solid fuels as being

significantly more effective than liquid types. Primarily preferred by other researchers. In light of this... Other well-trained researchers. In light of this progress, Caltech and Galset Group received an additional 10,000 rocketry research grant. I see that all going the right way. In June 1940, they received 22,000 in funding. Although a quarter of it went on repairing damage to the Caltech buildings caused by their experiments. That's not a red flag. Now known as Galset project number one, they continue to be ostracized by other Caltech students who grew increasingly irritated by their accidents and noise

pollution. I mean it's so annoying that these other kids just wanted to live. It's like where are your priorities? They were made to relocate their experiments back to Arroyo Seco at a site with unventilated corrugated iron sheds that served as both research facilities and administrative offices. It was here that the jet propulsion laboratory would be founded. So it's still right there. Good. They should have just gone to a porch. There's so many. I mean there's just so many options. I'll put it up on a porch. It's nothing better than a porch. Not a problem. Parsons and Froman's rocket experiments were the cover story of the

August 1940 edition of Popular Mechanics in which the pair discussed the prospect of rockets being able to ascend above Earth's atmosphere and orbit around it for research purposes as well as reaching the moon. Oh boy. Well it's all possible. It is. Oh boy. February 1941. Jack and Helen were initiated into the Agape Lodge. Sometime around then Helen's 16-year-old sister Betty moved in with them. Worried about that. Worried about that right off the bat. Parsons would start having a Thilema meetings at his house and he rose through the ranks quickly. It shows you it's a great organization. He's number one

with a bullet. I told Wilfred Smith I was an only and lonely child and it is a fine thing to inherit such a large and splendid family. I never knew a father and it is nice to have one now. You see why you gotta hug your kids? Riding to Crowley often. Jack would address him as most beloved father and sign it. Thy son. That's nice. Yeah oh Dave that's really sweet and fine. That's fine. It's got a daddy. I'm gonna write you letters like that and see how you feel. I will. I will like it. I don't think that you will. Thy son. I'm out by the way. I'm not doing it anymore. Thy son. In December 1941 the group now with

other scientists on board agreed to produce and sell 60 jet-assisted takeoff engines to the United States Army Corps. To do so they formed the Aerojet Engineering Corporation in March 1942. So they're off and running. Okay. Now they have a corporation. Good for them. On June 26, 1942, Jack and Helen released a mansion back on Millionaire's Mile where the Agape Lodge was relocated. Jack's bedroom doubling is the temple. You can do both. Easily. I've often thought about just putting a piece of tape down the middle of my room, half temple in, half, you know, sleeping. It's fine. That's a fine thing to do. How big of a

temple need to be? The side with my shorts is the bedroom. Okay. Temple gets the first two drawers. Yeah. The side with the goats heads of temple. That's the wait. Which side's the temple? The goat head? The goat heads of temple. The one with the my shorts on the floor. That's the... I think you might have it backwards. No. I'm pretty sure. No, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Oh no, you might be right. I think I'm right. I think the side with my shorts on the floor is actually the temple. That's the temple. Yeah. Give me the goat head. I'm gonna go to bed. They called it the parsonage. Let's just leave that. Yeah. Jack shocked his

conservative neighbors when he started renting out rooms to less than desirable tenants. The ad placed in the local paper reportedly read, Anyone. Apartments for rent must not believe in God. I have two cats. Do you believe in God? No. Welcome aboard. I'm a murderer. Welcome aboard if you don't believe in God. The frequent visitors, noisy parties, and questionable goings-on drew attention. One visitor wrote that two women in daffinous gowns would dance around a pot of fire surrounded by coffins topped with candles. And all I could think of at the time was that if those ropes caught on fire, the whole house would go up like a

tinderbox. What? That's all you can think about as opposed to the coffins? The coffins. He's looking at women dancing out of fire and coffins and he's thinking hazard. Fire hazard. I think they're eating bones. Yeah, but those ropes could just go right up. They better have a fire extinguisher over there. You know what I'm saying? They need some sand for that rope. That rope gets going. It won't stop. This is a violation, Parsons! One letter from Crowley praised and encouraged Jack for the fine work he was doing in America and also casually asked him for his latest donation and intimated that more would be shortly needed. Jack was

one of Crowley's main sources of money in America. Jesus. A longtime resident of the Parsonage wrote in 1962 of Jack. Well, I'm excited. Set up. Yeah, we're almost at the moon. Jack was the antithesis of the common image of the black magician. In fact, he bore little resemblance to his revered master Alistair Crowley, either in looks or in his personal conduct. He was a good-looking man in his early or mid-30s, urbane and sophisticated, and possessed a fine sense of humor. I always found Jack's insistence that he believed in and practiced magic hard to reconcile with his educational and cultural background. At first I thought

it was all fun and games, a kick he was on for its shock value to respectable friends, but after seeing his correspondence with Crowley and the evidence of frequent remittances to Crowley, I had to give him the benefit of the doubt. So he seemed like a totally normal dude, except he was indeed practicing black magic. Totally normal. That's fine. Not a problem there. In Pasadena, Parsons was the subject of public attention and there were rumors that he was the leader of a black magic cult. The rumors were denied by his fellow scientists, many of whom were regulars at the house. Oh, you got to

believe them. Listen to what they say. That's fine. As early as 1941, Parsons was investigated, but no arrests were made. He was not being investigated for his occult activities, but rather explosives being stored at the house. Pick your poison with those crimes, I mean. Hey, are you cutting up goats and rubbing them all over things? Legally. Or are you cold and explosive? There are rockets here that I shouldn't have, but those goats are all paid for. Those goats are fine. Then in 1942, local police came to the mansion to investigate an alleged backyard ceremony where a pregnant woman had reportedly jumped nude through a fire

nine times. I love that it's nine times. Yes. One, two, three, six more and I'm calling the police. Six more and we're here to we're here to investigate a crime by a woman jumping. Well, what we said was seven's legal. Seven's legal. Eight's a gray area. Nine is completely fucked up. Okay, so she went nine. Okay. Maybe 10. The monster. I have to arrest someone. Get her. The police medic. She's the one who's smoking and a little a little bit charred in the back. The police made it clear that they thought the claim absurd. So the police are like, yeah, I'm not buying this, but we're just here to investigate. We're gonna wrap it

up because you're Jack Parsons. The cops sound like the same. They were only investigating it because it was their duty. Parsons easily assured them of his community standing. He was an important rocket scientist. I mean, but that's what I love. Okay, does this pan out? Do they leave? A six-year-old boy reported Parsons to the police claiming that the three of Parsons followers had forcibly sodomized him during a black mass at the house. Well, those are the rockets that we shouldn't be launching. I mean, again, the in police investigated but found Parsons cult to be a little more than an organization

dedicated to religious and philosophical speculation with respectable members such as a Pasadena bank president, doctors, lawyers, and Hollywood actors. The actor John Carradine, for example, read one of Crowley's poems at the inauguration of Agape Lodge number two in 1935. No, it's like one of the shitty movies that you see where you don't believe it because the people come in to investigate and they go, excuse me, this is that attorney here. And he's why would the judge be here if any of this was going on? That's so amazing to be like, well, he's a rocket scientist and this is just a cult with

actors. No wrong here. Move along. Oh God, things are good. Parsons had plenty of money for his occult activities by the summer of 1943. Good news. Airjet and the rocket company was doing $650,000 in business. Helen Parsons started to have an affair with Wilfred Smith and bore him a son in 1943. Also in 1943, Jack divorced Helen after having an affair with her sister Betty. Like Helen before her, Betty acted as Parsons' priestess at the Gnostic Mass, which Parsons was holding every single day. Betty was also Parsons' partner in the performance of sex magic. The magic of inducing altered states through prolonged sexual

ecstasy. I think Sting does that. Yeah, but I don't even know where to start. So everybody's so okay. Everybody practices magic. Yeah, well, not only sex magic, but his last, if you get, priestess, just... Yeah, she's fucking the other guy. Yeah, and pregnant, and then he's like, well, I'm making your sister. Yeah, but what do you think happens? Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. And what do you think happens in cults? It doesn't, it doesn't... I'd hope there'd be a little more decorum. A touch more would be nice. Parsons' 11 years Betty's senior urged the 18-year-old Betty to leave the University of Southern California. So he's giving good advice. Well, he's just

thinking about her future long term. Jack later said implied incest in this relationship was very appealing. So because it's his wife's, he's like, oh, it's like I'm fucking mine. Yeah. And that's cool. And that's really sweet. That's awesome. Hey, Rockets. Hey. Hey, Rockets. I'm fucking Rockets. Jack and Betty lived as a couple, although they never did marry. Parsons encouraged Betty to take other lovers as he did, but he, because he perceived himself above the petty jealousness felt by normal men. Well, clearly his parents were better doing than mine were. Wilford Smith. I mean, that is such a red flag. Fuck whoever. I'm

gonna too. I mean, it's just like, who, you know what I mean? Dude, what, I don't literally fuck anyone because I'm just gonna fuck. Isn't that dating? It is, but there is something about when you're like, okay, we're together. Fuck whoever. Like just be single then. But I clearly, there's bigger fish to fry. You're so worried about the low hanging fruit. Yeah, I'm sorry. Wilford Smith, Helen, Jack and Betty would continue to all live together at the first stage of the time being. All right, just keep going. Let's have some great breakfast. Just keep going. Yeah. Good bagels. We've basically all been inside each other. Oh, God. The elements

or spirits Jack was invoking evidently disturbed the other parsonage residents. Is anything going right? Once still living in active manner, member of the OTO recorded this. Two persons always had to do a lot of banishing in the house. They were sensitive and knew that something alien was there. When I had been there during the summer of 1944, I also knew there were troublesome spirits about, especially on the third floor. It got that I couldn't stand being up there and a friend of mine couldn't even climb the stairs that far as the hair on the back of her

neck began to prickle and she got thoroughly frightened. So, black magic, ghosts, there's spirits. Third floor is the beetle just addicts. Yeah, the beetle just addict. Okay. As they were ended, the founders of Aerojet started looking for a way to make the firm viable because its future was suddenly very uncertain since the company was dependent on war. The firm was able to convince General Tyre to invest in it, but the other Caltech Lincoln employees, including Molina, would only agree to the sale on the condition that parson's informant were removed. A wise call. Aerojet offered them 50,000 a piece for

their stock. They took it. Parsons informant were bragging about how they had managed to get out of the company while they were still ahead. The war was over and the rockets were finished. The field had no future. Apple? A computer called Apple? I'm out. Goodbye. Apple's a fruit dummy. What are you gonna do with a rocket without the war? Let me tell you something. What are you gonna do? I mean, Jesus Christ, get your shit together. I know I love science fiction, but in this case, I do not listen to any of the science fiction I read. I'll tell you what we should work in is gin. That's got an upside. Parsons informant were going to invest in a

chain of laundry mats. Well, it is true that which one has had the bigger boom since then? Oh, laundry mats for sure. Rockets or places to put your clothes to clean them? Laundry mats. Probably laundry mats. Parsons informant then formed Adastra Research, a small explosives company. Oh, fuck. That was investigated for espionage. When the two were caught with large quantities of ex nitrate, a powerful explosive. It was it was determined that the compound was acquired for experimental reasons and the charges were dropped. What the fuck does experimental reasons even mean? Well, you might blow something up. Experimental

reasons is like not good reasons. Oh, it's just experimental. Go on. Have your nitrate. I didn't realize you guys were experimenting with it. Jack that went to work for the Vulcan powder company in Pasadena, where he would remain for the next two years. After former and Jack were ousted, the company was renamed the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. So there you go. Where does there out? So he basically founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Good, good founder. In late August of 1945, Lou Goldstone, a science fiction illustrator living at the Parsonage, brought Elrond Hubbard what just happened here, sir.

Brought Elrond Hubbard the founder of Scientology. Can we just savor the flavor for a second? Elrond Hubbard just entered the weirdest party I've ever heard of. He hasn't invented Scientology yet. So right now he's just a guy. And he still was allowed to be called Elrond. Well, he was a writer. Yeah, I know he was a writer. Exactly. He was a writer. Jack liked Hubbard immediately. Hubbard had just come from the Naval Hospital in San Francisco and complained of various ailments, including rheumatism, arthritis, haemorrhoids, conjunctivitis, and aches in his side, shoulder, stomach, and knee. After several

hospital visits, Hubbard was given a medical discharge from the Navy and began receiving financial benefits when he told him he could no longer practice his livelihood of being a writer. He was well enough known as a pulp fiction writer at this time. January 4, 1946 Parsons wrote to Crowley, most beloved father. About three months ago, I met Captain Elrond Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time. He is a gentleman. He has red hair, green eyes, and is honest and intelligent. And we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago. And although Betty and I are still

friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him. It's not money from checking to savings. So that's fine. Although Ron has no formal training in magic, he has an extraordinary... I have a lot of people have formal training in magic. Which is just fucking... Yeah, it's an oxymoron. He has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences, I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his guardian angel. He describes his angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair, who he calls Empress, and it was guided him through his life and saved him many

times. Cool. Just a guy following his angel, Empress, who's banging your ex priestess. By December, Jack started to perform rituals to obtain an elemental mate. He believed he could bring forth an actual goddess on earth, a female messiah named Babylon. Writer Alva Rogers describes. As events progressed, Jack found it increasingly difficult to keep his mind on anything else. The atmosphere around the house became supercharged with tension. Jack began to show more and more strain and the effort to disguise his metamorphosis from an emotionless, Crowley-like superman to a jealousy-ridden human being became hopeless.

What we saw, I'll never forget, although I find it hard to describe in any detail, the room was decorated in a manner typical to an occultist lair with all the symbols, essential to the proper practice of black magic. It was dimly lit and smoky from the incense. Jack was draped in a black robe and stood with his back to us, his arms outstretched, in the center of the pentagram, before some sort of altar, on which several indistinguishable items stood. His voice rose and fell in a rhythmic chant of gibberish. Gibberish is not rhythmic. All right everybody, snap your fingers to this beat.

It was delivered with such passion and intensity that its meaning was frighteningly obvious. After this brief and uninvited glimpse into the blackest and most secret center of a tortured man's soul, we quietly withdrew and returned to our room, where we spent the balance of the night discussing the whispers what we had just witnessed. Oh my god, he's fucking crazy. Finally. He's fucking, I thought this was all like bullshit. Finally a straight man. He's fucking crazy. So that was fucked, right? Super fucked. Like, no, no. I think we should move. And jazz was born. Part of the magic ritual included invocation of

wand with material basis on the talisman. The material basis of which is the marrow of the wand, the wand representing the penis of the magician. While there, while the marrow is the semen. Great. During the rite, the magician is to invoke the spirit and while concentrating upon it, masturbate over the talisman. Oh boy, I snorted. Jack was fertilizing a little parchment square representing the air tablet, which is the space where magic symbols are drawn in the air. I dave. Like with a dagger. I'm gonna need you to pump the brakes a little here, my man. So can I just say it took me? Who hasn't masturbated over a talisman? Wait. It took me

so long to actually read this story because the first time, the first time someone sent it to me, I was like, there's no way, this is true. Will you read what you just read again? Part of the magic ritual included invocation of wand with material basis on the talisman. It's great hearing that now, now that I know what you're about to say, the material basis of which is the marrow of the wand, the wand representing the penis of the magician, while the marrow is the semen. During the rite, the magician is to invoke the spirit and while concentrating upon it, masturbate over the talisman. He was fertilizing a little parchment square

representing the air tablet, which is the space where magic symbols are drawn in the air, like with a dagger. It all makes sense. He's shooting his load into fake into fake symbol areas in the air symbols to make a woman. I'll bet you that the talisman's like, I feel like there's not a symbol area because it's all of me. I just picture two spirits up in the corner going, this is so not how you do it. You really did not understand what we were trying to say, am I right? They did not get our message. It was just so simple. We were just preaching empathy and now he's masturbating in a fake symbol area over a poor person. One night, Parsons evoke twice. Have you ever prematurely evoked? Oh god, alright, we'll try it tomorrow. Hey, I'll be able to evoke again in about 10 to 15 minutes.

That was my bad. I was thinking about my wife's sister. Listen, I'll be able to evoke soon. That evoke was for me. You're going to evoke real big soon, baby. Parsons evoked twice and retired to bed at around 11pm. Evoked. He was awoken at midnight by nine loud, unexplainable knocks. When Parsons got out of bed to investigate the knocks, he noticed a lamp lay smashed on the floor. Time to evoke. Goes. Yeah, goes. Lamps don't fall. Hubbard, Elron, and Jack began to go out to the Mojave Desert together. Oh boy, this is a real, this is a lot happening. Where Jack used to do rocket experiments, but now to practice magic and evisions. I used to shoot off rockets here, but instead I'm going to jerk off and see weird things. This place has seen me through a lot of weird times, man. Things are really taking off for me now. Things are taking off like a rocket. Hey, where are those magic symbols at? I'm going to evoke into them. I used to be part of a company that made $650,000 a year. Now I'm jacking off in Joshua Tree.

I'm going to evoke late. Parsons wrote that Hubbard had a vision that evening of a savage and beautiful woman riding naked on a great cat-like beast. They're dreams. We prepared magic. They're called dreams. They're pretty weird sometimes. We prepared magically for this communication, constructing a temple at the altar. He was robed in white, carrying a lamp and iron black hooded with the cup and dagger. I mean, I mean, you're capping me. What? Hey, a lot of leaps of faith here. A lot of, I mean, weird nine poor decisions deep. Who doesn't look at the other guy and go, what are we doing? It won't just be like, why are we different at least? Like, why is it like, why are we opposites? What are we doing? You evoked on me. Fuck, February 23, 1946. Parsons triumphantly wrote to Crowley.

I have my elemental. She turned up on night after the conclusion of the magic and has since been with me. Although she does go back to New York next week. Most elementals will. Most of the women that I conjure by masturbating into the air. A lot of elementals are by Coastal. They will eventually go back to New York. Yeah, exactly. A lot of them are East Coast elementals. A lot of my spirits like to spend fall in the East Coast. They weather really affects elemental travel. She has red hair and slant green eyes as specified. She's an artist strong minded and determined with strong masculine characteristics and a fanatical independence.

I am alone! What's a fanatical independence? It might just be a transvestite. If she returns, she will be dedicated as I am dedicated. The elemental was actually a woman named Marjorie Elizabeth Cameron, also known as Candy. Sweet. Three names. They immediately started performing sex magic rituals together. Jack wrote to Crowley, I am to invoke continually this now being possible and easy. It's so much better with a girl. That's what he's writing. It's so much better with a girl. I can evoke so much more when I'm not evoking into a imaginary area of symbols. Alistair, have you ever used a pussy? Alistair, I found magic.

This is incredible. I mean this is just somebody who hasn't fucked it too long. According to Candy Cameron, the right consisted of her and Parsons spending two weeks in bed where the two talked incessantly and fucked. On February 20th, 1946, in between the two parts of the Babylon magical rights, Parsons, Hubbard and Betty formed a company called Allied Enterprises. To Hubbard's $1,183.91 and Betty's absolutely nothing. Parsons put in $20,970.80. In this enterprise, they were to buy boats on the east coast and sail them back to California for resale. Why would boats be worth more money on the west coast? I mean so that's just not even a thing. That's like buying a car in New York and

driving it out and going we're gonna make a fortune in California. It's just a boat. It doesn't get, it doesn't increase the value because you take it somewhere else. I just didn't know if maybe the boats had birds on them or something like that and they were just more valuable but no, points well received. In April 1946, after the second part of the Babylon magic rituals, Ron left with Betty and 10,000 of the company's money. Later that month, Jack started to think that they had cheated him. Later that month? Did you miss read day? He threatened to chase them but a call to Hubbard. What about this is not good for Jack? He just took 10 grand and his wife or his priestess. A call to Hubbard soon calmed Jack down.

Astrologer Lewis Culling overheard the call and couldn't believe the formerly angry Parsons could be so easily swayed. Parsons ended the call with, I hope we shall always be partners, Ron. Oh my god. L Ron Hubbard must have been a real smooth fucking talker for sure. By June, Jack could no longer wait and went to Florida after Hubbard and Betty, discovering that they had purchased three boats. He found two of the boats but not Ron and Betty. One after one, the harpoon, was anchored at Howard's Bond Yacht Harbor. Jack then rented a room and waited. Two days later, someone from Bond's Harbor called Parsons to say that the harpoon had just sailed. He was too late to catch them. So he returned to his room

and consecrated the circle. As one, as one does and care of this. All right. Well, you know what to do. Time to consecrate. Dig your heels in and consecrate. Well, jerk off in this hotel room in a circle. Get the maid in here. I've evoked on the towels. Parsons wrote to Crowley. Here I am in Miami pursuing the chulging of my folly. Hubbard attempted to escape me by sailing at 5 p.m. and I performed a performed a full invocation to Barza Bell, the God of War, within the circle at 8 p.m. At the time, so far as I can check, his ship was struck by a sudden squall off the coast which ripped off his sails and forced him to come back to port where I took the boat in custody. I have them well tied up. They cannot move without going to jail. However, I am afraid that most of the

money has already been dissipated. I will be lucky to salvage three to five thousand dollars. In the interim, I am flat broke. Okay, so this is the craziest letter ever written. Um, dear Crowley. Ah, fuck. I made a lot of mistakes, so I'm in Miami, which is nice. I made a circle which caused a storm. Jerked off, made a storm. Jerked off, made a storm into the circle. And now I... So none of that's true. Well, yeah, it is. He really got like, well, I mean, obviously he didn't invoke. Well, he didn't invoke the fucking... Yeah, but he had them tied up. Hubbard's just a shitty sailor. If you go back and read, which I've done because I was going to do a podcast on it, read Hubbard as a ship captain in the Navy, it's fucking extraordinary. It's extraordinary.

Um, the following week, Allied Enterprises was dissolved, the court ordering Hubbard to pay Parsons twenty nine hundred and no charges would be pressed. Betty threatened to press charges against Jack since the relationship started when she was younger than 18. Fair, fair, by the way. Fair, Betty. On August 10th, 1946, Hubbard married Betty, who now went by Sarah. Hey, you know what? At this point, what are names? What are names in an ordinary story? That would be weird. Yeah, but unfortunately at this point, name switching is fine. Hubbard was still married to Polly, his first wife, Polly, who we're now calling Samantha. Jesus Christ. We got Hubbard. Dianetic Research Foundation was established four years later. Hubbard's

Hubbard's companion book, Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health, published in May. Scientology began. The Church of Scientology acknowledged Hubbard's involvement with the parsonage. A 1969 statement written by Hubbard himself said Hubbard broke up black magic in America. L Ron Hubbard was was still an officer of the US Navy because he was well known as a writer and a philosopher and had friends amongst the physicists. He was sent in to handle the situation. He went to live at the house and investigated the black magic rights and the general situation and found them very bad. Hubbard's mission was successful far beyond anyone's expectations. The house was torn down. Hubbard rescued a girl they were using. The black magic

group was dispersed and destroyed and has never been recovered. Hubbard. He's in the new. He's in the new Marvel world, by the way. L Ron Hubbard is? Yeah, he's going to be one of the superheroes. Can I just have a moment to deal with what's just happened before you tell me that L Ron Hubbard? He's in the Avengers. What? Yeah. L Ron Hubbard's in the Avengers? What the fuck? Everything's so crazy that you believe that it's not true. Oh, God. L Ron Hubbard is not in the Avengers. Okay. But what if he was? Well, I had a fear. I thought it. Why did I think it was L Ron Hubbard? I thought it was going to be like some, you know, like how they did battlefield

earth where it was about Scientology. So it was going to be sort of great. Really big shoes. I'll tell you what, a fantastic movie. No joke. On August 20, 1946, Jackson, a formal letter of a resignation from the OTO to Crowley. He sold this house and handed over leadership of the Agape Lodge. He's out. Me too. Yeah, he stayed employed working for Northern American Aviation Corp and doing consulting work such as for the LAPD LA District Attorney General Chemistry Company and the National Defense Research Council. Christ Christ Christ. Disillusioned by the incident with Hubbard and Betty Parsons drifted away from magic and focused his will

on his technical career, although the two aspects of his life could never be completely separated. On May 17, 1948, his two worlds collided as he lost his government security clearance because of his membership in a religious cult, believed to advocate sexual perversion organized at the subject's home, which had been reported subversive. Elsewhere, the FBI described it as a mythical love cult, despite Jack's assistance that it was dedicated to the freedom and liberty of the individual. Sure, Jack. According to Parsons FBI file, however, the investigation was actually caused by his association with known communists. Jesus. Who's not involved in this? A problem shared by his JPL comrade Frank Molina as early as 1938. The self described anti war anti capitalist

Parsons had subscribed to the daily people's world, the communist paper and attended a few meetings of different groups during the subsequent years. Joining the subversive American Civil Liberties Union in 1946, one of the early victims of what would become the McCarthy witch hunts. Parsons later testified in closed court that his interest was merely an intellectual one. He told them that Thilema, the will aspect of Crowley's work was defined, definitely anti communist and anti fascist. And his clearance was finally reinstated. Oh my God. March 7, 1949. But he lost his job and candy camera and left him. I don't feel bad. Jack made money fixing cars, pumping gas and as a hospital assistant.

But that's what he should have started with. That's what the guy who doesn't have a college education. Yeah, that's what you start with. He embarked on a He don't take nitrate. He embarked on a series of magical rituals. Oh boy. Hiring prostitutes. That's not a magical ritual. This is a magical ritual. I'm going to buy math and fuck horse. Oh, and having passing affairs to work the sex magic rights with his new magical endeavor was called the crossing of the abyss. It's aimed to transform him into a master of the temple and become one with the universal consciousness by fucking prostitutes. Since he did not have his security clearance reinstated, he went to work in 1949 for Hughes aircraft company.

So now Hughes is involved as long as he's back on chemical plant design and construction. This calm is magical frenzy. Sure. Jack started to hand over several reports from the company to Israeli power brokers interested in arming the fledgling state of Israel. It's all good. It's all good. He's working for Israel. It's all a listen. This guy's like the evil forest gum. I'm going to do everything that's wrong. I mean, he's doing it. He's everywhere. And Israelis were to help him leave the US so he could make rockets for Israel, which led to him being investigated again by the FBI. Can you just chill the fuck out? It took a day. He was fired from Hughes aircraft in 1950

and candy came back to him from Mexico, where she was living in an artist community. He set up his home laboratory in the coach house they rented. He went back to working in powder companies and had his security clearance revoked forever in January 1952. Just to be clear, permanent. He and candy made plans to return to Mexico together. Jack had a temporary job developing and manufacturing pyro techniques for movies and received a call June 17, 1952 for a rush order from the Special Effects Corporation one day before they were to leave for Mexico. After working in his home lab all day at 508 p.m. and explosion through a cast iron tub onto Jack

Parsons, 37 years old, who died from his injuries an hour later. He was 37. He did all that. And he was only 37. I mean, I'm expecting, what I'm picturing. Dude, you're picturing a guy in his late 60s at this point. This dude did some fucking living. 37. Because he knew he evoked with Elron Hubbard. He knew how to go for it. This whole, this whole story should be called going for it with Jack Parsons. No, no, no, no. I think now that's the name of the movie. Now we're going for it. Now we're finding a place where we don't agree. Okay. Oh, it's a fucking, I'm going to pitch this to AMC going for it, the Jack Parsons story. I think you could probably give it a different title and sell it.

His mother, Ruth, staying in a friend's house nearby hysterically screamed, I'm going to kill myself. I can't stand this upon hearing of her son's death. Miss Helen Rowan, a friend also staying at the house, was chairbound with arthritis and called the doctor to send a prescription of Nembutol, a barbiturate. Another friend arrived at the pills, gave two to Ruth to calm her down and then went into the kitchen to make food. Ruth grabbed the pills, swallowed them all, while Miss Rowan with the arthritis just looked on in horror. Ruth Parsons was declared dead at 9.05 p.m. four hours after her son. Ruth Parsons' big dog made it difficult for police to attend her suicide scene after being attacked by the

agitated beast. Bastina police officers shot the dog in the head. This is a real feel good ending. Don Harding, an investigator at the scene. Tripped and hit his head and died. Exploded while masturbating. That's how it always ends. Don Harding discovered a syringe among the blast debris partially filled with a morphine-like substance and believed that Parsons' drug use contributed to his mishandling of explosives. So now he got an heroin. After all that he got an heroin. And that's not even something we learned on the way. It's just like after the fact like he was junking. Childhood friend Ed Froman said, Jack used to sweat a lot and the damn thing just slipped

out of his hand and blew him up. Damn thing. Heroine agrees. They'll really do that to you. Something was allegedly found after the death of Parsons that didn't make the 1952 Los Angeles Times. Dave, can I just say right now? I'm gonna show it to you. Oh, shit. It's a picture. What? Okay. It's a black box. Yeah. It's got markings all over it. Yeah. Amateur rocket advocate Harold Chambers was told on separate occasions by both Harding and a chemical engineer friend of Jack's from work that an odd, bizarre, fairly big box decorated with snakes and dragons was found in a trailer at the Parsons residence. The odd box was found to contain home movies of Parsons and his mother Ruth having sex. Oh, my God. Not only with each

other, but also with Ruth's big dog. Oh, my God. Oh, my fucking God. What the fuck? What? What? You know, you know, you got a story when page six is he fucked his mom. Holy shit. Totally normal. Occultist site Parsons. Hold on. Hold the phone. Okay, so she here's what video taping dog fucking. Yeah, what if you're gonna do it? Get do it in privacy. Capture the memories. Oh, my God. That was one of the Polaroid video commercials. I think you're thinking of something else. No, it was like, if you're fucking your dog, there we go. We're already I already don't agree. Holy shit. All right.

Okay. No, no, no, no, that just give the dog a ball of nitrate. Occultist site Parsons is one of the most significant figures in propagating Thelma across North America. Scientific historians recognize his contributions to rocket propulsion chemistry and design and his advocacy advocacy for their use in space exploration and human spaceflight. For the latter reasons and because of his role in the foundation of JPL Parsons is regarded as among the most important figures in the history of the US space program. And he's also one of the most important figures in dog fucking. I would say he's maybe our best rocket scientist who dog fucked. He's my favorite of all the

there's not a lot of crossover of all the rocket guys. He's my favorite dog. He flew the red rocket for the first time. How do you feel right now? Oh, just, you know, not good. Sick, a little sick. Do you remember when Ali went to Africa and fought Frazier? Yeah, the and he just the rope a dope and he just beat him against the ropes for a few rounds. Yeah. How you feel? Yeah, but I feel like I don't have the second part where I fight back. Right. And I'm, you know, winning. You know what I mean? Like I don't have that part of it. So I did the rope a dope, but I just did the rope. I got sent this story by so many people and when someone, I don't even know what to, I mean, well, at first I was like,

that is this seems fake. Yeah, it seems fake. And then and then. And so what happened was I looked it up again and I was like, it just seems too crazy. I can't even believe it. It was true. And then I had there. So a researcher, someone who's in in college whose job is to do this sort of thing sent me an email and says, is there anything you want me to research? And I said, okay, this is the one because I don't know what the fuck is happening. So this was this is wasn't just research, but the person who sent me this sent all of the footnotes and everything is factually checked. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is this? Except the dog first I found this morning.

You've just found dog fucking this morning. Yeah, I was I was reading another article about it. And and then the dog he made a crazy black box with videotapes and fucking his mom and a dog. Well, what else do you put in a crazy black box? That's almost what crazy black boxes are for it puts the crazy and black box. I'll admit that. And now anybody who put who makes a crazy black box has to top that. And guess what? There should be no more black boxes. I disagree. I think there should always be one crazy black box. I don't think it can be top.

It can be top. Yeah, you know what? You guys are already turning over there. Couple of guys fucking a bear. Hey, you seen our videotape of when we fucked that bear? Pretty graphic. My uncle was there. I fucked him too. My grandpa was jerking off. It was awesome. So if you want to take a tour of of JPL, it's just 10 miles away. It's 10 miles away. It's where they don't have to pass. Probably going to pass the probably passing the robot going the robot that was designed.

That's now on the rover. That's whatever it is. The one that's on Mars just designed there. Well, like JPL. Good. My landlord works at JPL. It might be time to move. Got on the street works at JPL might be time to not talk to him. I'm telling you. So in conclusion, I'm going to perform a black magic ritual. Listen, I just make the circle big for your evoking area. I just want to apologize to everyone for this. Yeah. And I do too. And I do too.