The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 327 - James Callender

Episode Date: May 15, 2018

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine America's first muckraker, James Callender. SOURCESTOUR INFO MERCH BY JAMES FOSDIKE...

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Starting point is 00:00:48 story from American history to me amigo Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about and why doesn't he know because he didn't listen when they were telling him what it was happening in history and he wanted to leave campus and smoke cigarettes and you know party a lot and in when teachers would tell him to pay attention this is gonna be important in your future he was like no and the best part is he was right yeah that's right he's successful now take that teachers to stick it up teachers listen or you'll do or it'll hurt you guess what dummies nice try dickheads and called it
Starting point is 00:01:33 quote his jam patch yeah I'm the fucking hippo guy okay my name is Gary my name is Gary boy is it for fun and this is not gonna come to glee plot okay now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments action partner we've had some laughs haven't we really have I've had more laughs yeah 1758 all righty you're our Lord Jesus Christ James calendar was born in okay when was the calendar born Dave it's not what date and it's not cool yeah it's not cool yeah calendar all right keep going I was born in Scotland oh boy very little is known about his early years by the time he was
Starting point is 00:02:34 24 he was an aspiring writer living in Edinburgh so there's nothing we have on him until 24 yeah other than his last name was calendar yeah okay in 1782 he was hired as a clerk in the bureaucratic a saison office which was a land deed oh you know about that good next buddy right yeah gonna explain this is an office yeah yeah well you know what you're saying earlier there's four seasons right no you're already don't tell a calendar when the season's out and aren't okay okay it's a land deed office yeah oh go ahead sorry yep for all of Scotland who owned what where when etc he was not paid well working there sure
Starting point is 00:03:17 and he would write out the land holdings of Scottish gentlemen so the rich guys right so he'd just be basically assessing the land of the wealthy not even assessing just keeping track track yeah at the time voting in Scotland was tied to land ownership so the records kept in the saison offices were basically voting roles also so the rich could vote yeah right shocking as it should be right someday I wish I could vote could you imagine allowed to cast a ballot oh boy I'm dreaming again get back to work boy sorry mom sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep why does he say why would you say sweep because it gets awful
Starting point is 00:04:00 dirty in here when I'm keeping track of the land owners I know what you don't have to say sweep you just sweep oh but if I don't say sweep I forget to do it like now sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep sweep got to walk walk walk walk walk walk open door with all his power with all the power consolidated into this one office it obviously became insanely corrupt sure James was described then as having quote a complex and contradictory character he was so it was Scottish oh the letters he was self-righteous he was self-righteous strongly puritanical with regard to personal morals and
Starting point is 00:04:46 sufferably proud with a deep and abiding mistrust of human nature okay so totally just cool yeah yeah super relaxed sure yeah that's I think that you're supposed that's a better way to be now though yeah I'd rather I think you should be like that over like boy mister you got a job for me now you got to be like hold a gun get a gun we all need him at 1785 James spoke as a representative of a group of clerks who wanted better pay and their boss Andrew Steele investigated for corruption okay so he speaks for those guys sure that didn't go well right they normally don't they frown the rich frowned upon that
Starting point is 00:05:28 the person of that not a big fan of right you yeah Steele then made work a living hell for James at one point Steele quote came over with pistols and a bludgeon in order to murder James well that's just not it's not okay in the workplace well I have posters up I think that back then it was fine okay yeah you could murder your employees in Scotland how was work James was alright boss keep saying he's gonna murder me they've been killed hey stop me again was that Scottish no no no that was if we were to translate an ape into English is what that was but he didn't kill him but then for the next few days Steele
Starting point is 00:06:15 would walk around the office with the guns tell you after lunch I'm feeling like a killing yeah say someone's getting killed he's doing like he's like a season finale commercial someone will die this week on steel he's straight up the fucking Gardner from the Simpsons for the next five years James and Dirty he's so he still works there for five years he's it sucks but you can get through it if you just realize he's not really gonna kill you yeah I mean we've already figured out he's not gonna kill you so just hang in there and stick with it and then he was fired in 1790 for not being killed properly so he's now broke he's
Starting point is 00:07:01 been slandered by steel and he has a family to support so as a writer he had previously published two pamphlets about Samuel Johnson sure who was a popular intellectual in England Johnson was not big on Scottish people okay he insulted them and called them ignorant the Scots did not like the shit talking from Johnson and so when James publishes pamphlet titled deformities of Samuel Johnson the Scottish people really into it okay so he put out a mean tweet yeah that's right yeah he's the form these improper he's a fucker okay that was alright Dave look we can't I need you to just feel free to just let it let it fly
Starting point is 00:07:49 I'm not gonna come at you okay safe space okay this isn't the internet this is you and me I got you baby it focused on Johnson's dictionary so Johnson had written this dictionary which was one of the first attempts to categorize and organize English words wow okay so that the out before they were all in the book yeah he this guy this guy when they were scattered when you would just be like scrabble was a bigger argument no before this you there were just words laying around in pamphlets yeah this guy put them all in one book right right okay well I'm off to you know I've got to go to bed I'm really kind of walks it
Starting point is 00:08:23 that's a word means tired so James claimed the dictionary and Johnson were both useless quote it matters bloody dictionary in almost every department of learning from astronomy down to the first principles of grammar Johnson's ignorance seems amazing which is a word his personal appearance cannot much recommend him his conversation would shock the rudas savage I have attempted to illustrate his entire want of general learning his antipathy to rival merit his paralytic reasoning his solemn trifling pedantry wow yeah so he's now and he's there's a thesaurus happen right yeah he probably used his
Starting point is 00:09:08 dictionary probably yeah bloody helpful it was yes he has to put it into the bibliography at the end I've got a site my work I don't want to be accused of plegenism awkward we've already been called deformed okay so he's just writing the so okay so he's he's baiting in a way so so this literary style of attack mixing personal and professional critiques was brand new okay and it was similar to the writing of Jonathan Swift both writer writers rejected pretension greed and pride okay so James then after he gets fired he turns to writing for living okay there are lots of literally have a pamphlet agent he
Starting point is 00:09:50 did not battle come up okay there are lots of literary clubs in the city but he didn't have any ins into them luckily he received great patronage from one Lord Garden stone that's right I'll help you James I'll be your patreon you know where I'll be in the back on that one stone in the garden he helped James get work with a famous lawyer and they collaborated on writing Juliani checks yeah okay Juliani but the Lord was not comfortable with James anti really anti-English sentiments okay okay so it's built up yeah right okay in the early 1790s Scottish businessmen were tired of high English taxes and tariffs
Starting point is 00:10:37 and the American experiment is in full swing so America's kicking ass yeah well I think well I mean the milk's turning yeah Irish Republicanism was threatening the English hold in Ireland okay and in 1792 James published the political progress of Britain which is strongly influenced by Jagabin ideals of the French Revolution so the Jagamins are the biggest body of the guys in the French Revolution they're really hardcore okay so they're the hardcore dudes a lot of beheading sure that sort of thing sure sure but the guillotine guys yeah so they're there guillotines yeah guillotines they're super right so you
Starting point is 00:11:28 I mean there's a lot of different ways it's used now but like they're considered sort of radicals at the time right so they're the radicals okay leftist radicals okay so it attacked the British his new pamphlet attacked the British colonialism and tried to reframe the story of the British expansion it was all about class warfare and anti-imperialism okay quote since the Norman conquest England has been governed by 33 sovereigns and of these two-thirds were by a hundred different actions deserving of the givet of the givet I think that if I recall correctly a givet is where you hang a dude in a
Starting point is 00:12:09 cage oh and the dude dies a lot of pirates were giveted you hang him in you what do you mean you just let him starve in a cage yeah you put him in a cage and that's his that's his deal and he's done that's a nightmare yeah yeah not great it's not great way to go and that's public it's public it's also today used in public schools in Oklahoma with students they put students in Oklahoma in cages yeah they have to be over 10 I think between 10 and there's a height requirement no they just did it's just give it in is bad for kids under under 10 yeah you don't want to damage them but you can give it kids up to 18 once
Starting point is 00:12:46 year once you're out of high school nothing is any give it in what is this true you talking about none of those okay England and Scotland were anxious about nationalist writings because of the whole French Revolution thing so James was investigated sure the leftist Scottish writers he trucked with including Lord Garden Stone were infiltrated so they sent in guys to you know spy and and then in January 1793 James ran off to Dublin instead of appearing in court to testify about his pamphlet okay so this these panties pretty prophetic pamphlet right pamphlets are big he's dropping a lot of
Starting point is 00:13:27 pamphlets yeah he's having like his Dylan era I mean yeah yeah he then made his way to Philadelphia in May Lord Garden Stone died be doing any pamphlets while you're in town don't know if I've got time I'm working on a couple different pamphlet I'm working on a concept pamphlet right now something different you know like from the perspective of a character from space do you know about prog rock yeah that's a good one yeah yeah so Lord Garden Stone died soon after he left it is set of a broken heart what Lord Garden Stone died of a broken heart well he really liked him I guess oh he died of a broken heart because of
Starting point is 00:14:12 James yeah to garden stone sounds like a little bit of a I'm gonna I'm gonna leave the well done I'm gonna leave the garden no super subtle garden just throw a little shade of garden stone Philadelphia was one of the oldest cities and ports but with a flood of recent immigrants so it's right so it was the first urban melting pot in America sure and with it nativist sentiments were rising okay new immigrants and first generation Americans were not treated well by those who had lived in America for a while okay so this is when Philly formed yeah James saw a place for a fellow like
Starting point is 00:15:05 himself quote it was the happy privilege of an American that he may prattle and print in what way he pleases and without anyone to make him afraid so he's like the Banksy of pamphlets he is that's exactly what he was the Banksy of Pamphlets okay James has offered some jobs writing for ex-Irish radicals all right and one he wrote a short column urging the United States to stay out of the war between England and France okay which you know you know about that yeah yeah convinced them James was a pacifist who thought war was inherently destructive unless it was against bloody England yeah he called those who were for war
Starting point is 00:15:49 barbarians okay and suddenly James was in the middle of a debate between the federalists and the Republicans the two forming political parties okay we always get to yeah yeah that's how it works best hey the illusion of option the two sides were arguing over how to set up a democratic representative government the federalists federalists were rich had more power and believed in centralized federal government for banking and tariffs boy oh Jesus yeah oh they were isolationists when it came to the war between France and Britain the mostly southern rural Democratic Republicans so that's what they're called back then
Starting point is 00:16:28 Democratic Republicans mm-hmm we're into states rights and sympathetic toward the French Revolution because they know likey England right some of them were huge anglophobes okay the federalists were happy to do deals with Britain so James didn't like your trust humanity much sure wasn't a big fan of the whole human thing sure he was always just gravitated towards birds my birds complete me hello fellas hello ladies you're the only ones who understand me and how horrible the bloody English are oh stop it you guys all right I'll take my shirt off but only for a second kiss you well alright I'll give you a little
Starting point is 00:17:18 case so he's a huge contrarian is our time sporting any group in political or economic power okay he was not big on sacred centralized government he couldn't really get to buy behind the idea of democracy either because he was what is he human so he's just one of these people is in crazy missing right okay being a contrarian James opposed the federalists who were in power can the contrarians form a political party my god that would be huge it would be everybody it's kind of the Republicans right now I think we could find a lot I bet you that would be pretty much everyone on social media
Starting point is 00:18:06 yeah so yellow fever epidemic hit Philadelphia in 1798 in between 10 and 15% of the city died okay another 20,000 fled to the countryside oh my god the people in the countryside like now hold on now dude a bunch of us a fucking dying back there we got to come here for a little bit leave my fans alone don't tip that cow 20,000 it's a lot yeah a lot of tense a lot of tense that's when you get intent business no I'm talking about tense yeah newspapers closed and James had less work he started writing in support of the Democratic Republicans and got a job as a congressional reporter for the Philadelphia
Starting point is 00:18:53 Gazette okay it's a Jacobin paper a what Jacobin member the guys from France oh yeah yeah okay got you at this time congressional debates were not recorded by the House or Senate okay so four reporters were the only way the public could learn about what was being discussed we're so close to that again so they had they gave them desks in the in the debate and right so they're so they're in the in the room and they got desks near like off in the corner or whatever okay so so pants down soon a number of papers were publishing verbatim reports of the debates but it
Starting point is 00:19:33 wasn't easy for the reporters to hear them and calendar complained some congressman spoke too softly so some of it is inaudible yeah so they're trying to whisper their way around it a little and at the same time they're dipping pens in an ink pot to write what people are saying so that's just like slop so yeah it just looks like a dolly yeah it's a fucking shit fest what can you bring it up a little bit bring it up can you talk louder what guys hey okay as we were saying prior no yes you're covered in ink boy what you're a foolish I'm writing this down what so the way this worked is since
Starting point is 00:20:37 there's no official stenographer was a stenographer who is just an ink stenographer then what so they're reporters so they'll have biases right so it's not like a stenographer it's guys who actually have biases who are now recording stuff boy that must be tough to find the truth in and so they would then write their official versions which led to them making guys some guys sound good some guys sound bad like a guy right so right after starting the job James was accused of misreporting an incident in the debates on Madison's revolutions he said that one rep had called another rep a British agent okay so that guy the
Starting point is 00:21:19 congressman soon had the nickname British agent that's very creative we are literalists and a lot of people were accusing him of being a spy now he was because of the name British agent because of what that's because of what James wrote sure so he was burned in effigy in his home state of South Carolina Charleston where they have a store for effigies what kind of person is he man I walk you through here I can show you a bunch of different options as far as your effigy goes this pissed off James Madison who is a federalist who was pushing for better trade relations with Britain without really knowing it
Starting point is 00:22:02 James had created conflict in Congress that played into the hands of the Democratic Republicans okay so the time if you can imagine congressional amendments were proposed just to try to embarrass the other side sure you can imagine that nope imagine that happening in in government yes sounds a little juvenile members of Congress did not want these official records kept because much of what they were doing when they were trying to embarrass the other side was hyperbole in lies okay good lord I mean gosh the 1790s have been described as the gutter age of American reporting oh my god Thomas
Starting point is 00:22:41 Jefferson said quote hold our beer defamation is becoming a necessary defamation is defamation is becoming necessary of life in so much that a dish of tea in the morning or evening cannot be digested without this stimulant even those who do not believe these abominations still read them with complacence complacence no it's not and betray a secret pleasure of the possibility that some may believe them though they do not themselves so it's just all he's saying it's fucking bullshit right they found an audience to buy the bullshit of course Jefferson was super into the abominations himself
Starting point is 00:23:28 right while working for the Gazette James was also secretly working for a Republican paper called the Aurora okay it was one of the most important political journals in in the new nation of America and was very anti federalist okay in the Aurora James exposed Alexander Hamilton's economic scheme as favoring the wealthy and entangling us so he's he's kind of pointing out the bullshit of Hamilton and the fact that he's working with Britain too much and and undermining people because he's wealthy you know right okay so Jefferson undermining the wealthy like sort of like he does a musical sort of like
Starting point is 00:24:10 right undermining the commoners for the well it's gonna be harder to rhyme yeah Jefferson then in turn was attacked by Hamilton papers okay and at this time one men's land there was another guy's fact what Jefferson was upset about Hamilton would call plain fact each side in the debates of early America thought that they were the hero and whatever was said was worth it because the stakes God damn it damn it what damn it TMU so James is very against something called the J Treaty which was being debated and put together which many thought gave rights to British traders while not giving US traders any advantage okay
Starting point is 00:24:59 it's like a giveaway if you can imagine this like a giveaway to the wealthy old schools sure Hamiltonian economics relied heavily on the British system and critics denounce it as being anti-republic okay so James say James is opposed to the treaty yes yeah so it was the same sort of thing that he had seen when he worked at the Saison in Scotland right so when the J Treaty was passed Alexander Hamilton so obviously he wrote about it another Republican writers wrote about it and they attacked Hamilton so when the JT was passed Alexander Hamilton was stoned in New York City in front of City Hall as he tried to explain the
Starting point is 00:25:44 treaty to a crowd wait because it because it passed yeah and there's been such fervor had been created and people hated it so much Alexander Hamilton was stoned Pelted with stones you don't hear that too much no you don't I don't that's in the musical Hamilton no I don't think I don't think there is that part you know yeah they don't talk about that in history books when Hamilton was stoned what people also thought that you the problem is stones were everywhere yeah and the truth is you can try to get rid of stones as much as you want but until you can cure mental illness people are gonna want to throw stones so get
Starting point is 00:26:25 rid all the stones you want people with mental illness they're still gonna it's a mental illness problem it's not an access to stones no it's not access to stones now some and I know some people say you know you shouldn't be able to get boulders so easily right well look I mean you know what I mean boulders are there so you're gonna get them yeah anybody can get a boulder yeah you can get well you go to a boulder show you can buy a boulder in the parking lot plus the treaty says that we can have all the boulders we want thank you yeah exactly yeah yeah so so the people also didn't think that that they they should
Starting point is 00:26:58 be allowed to debate a treaty in in like private in this chamber they felt like that was like some sort of betrayal against the people so that was another reason he was stoned right like you can't talk about a treaty in private normal closed-door sessions they call them right so James that attacked George Washington okay he claimed Washington was no better than a monarch disregarding the will of the people James help make the Democratic Republican that disappeared he so he helped he helped sort of form the arguments for the Democratic Republican Party and he but he was also very
Starting point is 00:27:45 belligerent and uncontrollable at the same time yep you can imagine he went beyond went way beyond other Republicans in attacking George Washington writing quote if ever a nation was debauched by a man the American nation has been debauched by Washington wow yeah you don't hear that no not a lot no he's got bloody horse teeth and his bloody head the only thing he can bloody eat is bloody putters with animal teeth he also warned of Washington's quote phallus designs against the liberties of the people he's got phallus designs I've seen him he's got a whole room devoted to him I think they're nice
Starting point is 00:28:25 sexy don't think that's fair yeah hey no what's your deal huh what is your deal why are you what you doing why are you here what you talking about gonna put on the nightgown what it's the middle of the day and we're in public okay don't think he's not Scottish I yeah no where are you what are you then I'm from all over awful nightmare even though he was very opinionated James did try to try to accurately report what he saw as much as bloody infuriating so he used two ways two new brand new ways that were considered very unusual of conveying unspoken meaning shouting pigeon so to editorialize he would put an
Starting point is 00:29:21 observation in parentheses like an action that was taken by so he's writing a one-act yeah kind of say right what the person said in the parentheses he'd say what the guy was doing so he's giving so sort of subtext yeah or he would say what the guy had said previously he would compare him that's nice yeah and then sometimes he would put words in italics to emphasize strong pronouncements and this people would bug fuck like they didn't know what was happening because they'd never had actually anyone sort of display inflection or like tone or anything like that before so like oh my god it's perfect they know they were
Starting point is 00:30:02 confused oh they were just like what is it it's Martian okay now wait a minute now there's those two little half circles around a bunch of it again and then it goes to the slanted right okay I'm gonna lay down and when I get up I want the paper to be regular again when I want to go to bed until the papers normal oh my god words are slanted summer slanted and then summer in those half circles and then guess what summer regular word so 18 dad well it was worth it and what can only be described as cuts themself the publisher kept with it and people came around with the italic stuff but he was eventually fired
Starting point is 00:30:50 from the Gazette in 1796 sorry James you changed a lot of stuff but your word slannings just a little too weird crazy boy so his wife and three kids had arrived in Philly in 1795 a fourth son Thomas was born in Philadelphia James work became less reliable and then he became the target of slander in newspapers and his family slid into poverty cool from 1795 into the until the election of 1800 James and his fellow militant anglophobic Republicans wrote prolifically about Hamilton economics okay they bonded over their distrust of the upper class most of them have been born abroad James became
Starting point is 00:31:35 very close with a scottish merchant named Thomas Leaper I can jump it hello they drank together they wrote together and they bonded over the idea of a future United States non-dependent on foreign economic interests okay just getting shit faced and just talking about you imagine freedom a fucking factory like a literal free market like could you bloody actually even fathom what that would bloody feel like fucking crazy unbelievable right let's have another drink man gosh imagine it too and I'm talking about like yeah one natural currency like something that's like unifying you know no more bonds no more
Starting point is 00:32:15 lend ownership just a place where you know perhaps everyone just you know plants their own seeds and picks their own fruit like a like a garden like me man but I'm pissed I really haven't I know I'm gonna get my head no I'm not sure but man oh just picture man oh I'll be bloody keen on that I would be oh I'll be bloody nice I'd be oh man imagine have like a bloody plum tree oh yeah I've got a boner man I was just about to see like something's changing my trees are like like I'm really like excited about it is famous yeah well you got one too okay okay I've got a bunch of birds we can find what sorry I said I said you
Starting point is 00:32:57 imagine a free market so James had always believed in equality and believe in taxation to get it so he then became a rabid it became a rabid rabid Democrat which at the time wizards turned me into a bunny is compared to being a jagabin like I said right the jagabins sure James saw the US as an aristocratic government where a certain class would hold power as opposed to representatives of the rest of the population it's amazing to call this so early because at the beginning right like because we talk about it it's like I mean I guess it's it is like a propaganda method in a sense but it's
Starting point is 00:33:39 like we talk about like that time this time so wistfully it's like oh when it all made sense and we even look back we're like well they couldn't have foreseen assault rifles but here's somebody who's just right now just like hey it's already bullshit yeah it's fucked up what we're doing is fucked up it's a bad path to chart yeah the people knew it right away right so you start talking shit about the country's checks and balances saying it kept the government from doing the will of the people his now radical views alienated him from moderate Republicans Jefferson Hamilton were both members of
Starting point is 00:34:10 Washington's cabinet right so they're so they're they fight a lot but they're in the cabinet right of course yeah well they're in the brotherhood and they carried out their disagreements through the newspapers okay Hamilton complain WWF yeah no okay Hamilton complained to Washington about the attacks Jefferson then wrote Georgia letter denying any involvement in newspaper writing okay it's like I have nothing to do with that he's lying of course sure having written articles himself anonymously sure who's this Jefferson Thomas character Tommy Tommy Jefferson Tommy huh when George Washington
Starting point is 00:34:50 left Jeff Tomerson when George Washington left the White House in 1796 he warned against the quote spirit of party that would turn the disputes between men like Jefferson and Hamilton into a permanent state of combat sure you mean one that is completely unresolved so we just stay in a at least pendulum at least no one saw this coming no by the end of his administration in 1796 there were about 30 Republican papers compared to about 120 Federalist ones they have all the fucking money okay Jefferson begged James Madison to attack Hamilton in print quote nobody answers him and his doctrines will therefore be taken for
Starting point is 00:35:30 confessed for God's sakes my dear sir take up your pen select the most striking heresies and cut into pieces in the face of the public okay Jefferson then met James Callender take a seat scotch do this they met in a Philadelphia print shop and James now had the backing of Jefferson Jefferson promoted whoops Jefferson promoted whoops Jefferson promoted the pamphlets he wrote so Jefferson's not promoting James's yeah retweeting James at this time public figures expected and had privacy when it came to their personal lives okay the writer was crazy enough to print
Starting point is 00:36:18 personal stuff he used the subject's initials instead of their name loophole what does that matter people can figure that out or is this before people knew what what initials were D like italics DT fucks his daughter wait a minute it was pretty well known in some circles that Hamilton was having an affair with Maria Reynolds he's cousin he's 36 yeah you cousin he's 36 she's 23 married her businessman husband was invested in the continuation of foreign trade her business okay James published his pamphlet history of 1796 in installments in the spring and summer of 1797 in it
Starting point is 00:37:06 he exposed the affair between Hamilton and Maria Reynolds okay he dropped full names okay all righty not giving two shits okay James believed only virtuous leaders could ensure the vitality of their public which is how he justified airing the dirty laundry wow okay so he's page six in it yeah fuck yeah okay and the evidence he presented was compelling James labeled the husband as a pimp whoa and said since that was the lowest of all human character traits Hamilton's deals with him made him lower than just being an adulterer so he's saying besides just having a fair he's worse than that because because this guy the
Starting point is 00:37:54 husband figured it out and there was a lot of shit going on uh-huh was not just a guy fucking someone's wife it got really weird sure right well there's always that's a fuck saddle like there was a I'm part of a saddle wait what does that mean well you put a lady in a saddle and you like a hanging saddle in the oh like a swing not watch real sex on HBO yes x-wing I call it a saddle because I like horses okay so here's what I'm gonna recommend we'll cut this out let's just plow ahead oh plow ahead oh David no no no what is that how do you even get there you are such a horse pervert plow ahead huh you know what that makes me
Starting point is 00:38:34 think of stable banks um you know they sleep laying down if you fuck them right so Hamilton confronted James Monroe who he believed to leak the information okay Monroe said he had nothing to do with it I'm not the leaker Hamilton then insinuated Monroe Monroe was a liar okay probably by just calling him a liar yeah and then Monroe Monroe called Hamilton a scoundrel and challenged him to a duel god this dual stuff and escalates so quick so fuck you're a liar no I'm not I want to kill you let's try to kill each other house Tuesday so right but the duals averted when Aaron Burr calmed things down
Starting point is 00:39:16 between the two men weird hilarious uh irony yeah guys guys that would be insane what are you thinking so James insinuated that decisions Hamilton made for the country were influenced by his dick and that he was corrupt okay he didn't say that but I put that in the modern no no no I get that I don't think that was in any he used the term hot dick a lot and August 1797 Hamilton responded with his own pamphlet it's gonna be a sad one like one yeah it's called the it was called yeah I like to fuck no so in it he denied improper dealing so he's saying the financial shit the corruption stuff is a lie okay
Starting point is 00:40:07 but he did confess to getting an arm of Maria okay and proved he had been a victim of blackmail by James Reynolds because of the affair so James Reynolds found out and did blackmail so but he's the victim so he's right well he's saying I didn't do he's saying I didn't do deals with right I was right you are you saying basically on the business business ethics side my dick got me into a predicament I don't have low morals hashtag Hamilton it's a hot argument so response pamphlet so instead of working with James Reynolds and being corrupt he was blackmailed Hamilton had paid over $24,000 into today's money to this
Starting point is 00:40:54 guy it's nice it's fucking crazy it's a nice junk Republican papers responded that by saying that Hamilton was trying to legitimize adultery okay sure sure sure yeah James put on out another pamphlet on the affair and Hamilton's corruption in 1798 called sketches of the history of America he wanted to make sure Hamilton would not be president and the corruption was never oh the corruption was never proven the scandal subsided a bit though the Republican newspaper attacks were on as they tried to discredit all federalist policies and say Hamilton couldn't be trusted by his wife so how could the country trust him
Starting point is 00:41:36 wow you've ever heard that argument never so James is becoming more and more notorious and the federalists wanted his scalp so the Gazette of the US quotes in the name of justice and honor how long are we to tolerate this scum of party filth and beggarly corruption worked into a form somewhat like a man to go thus with impunity do we want to answer that now a long way the article in the federalist paper finished by saying James deserved to go to the gallows oh oh yeah no boy just heating up put him in the gibbet or whatever give it publisher William Cobot was James calendars opposite on the federal side
Starting point is 00:42:26 federalist side okay he went after James and accused him of selling his ideals to the highest bidder and of chasing patronage and he had sex with James Reynolds I'm swinging I'm scandalous oh no hey this guy I thought you were kicked out of town no no no no no no no no no no no Cobot was slandering James character and his beliefs quote a little mangy Scotsman who has a remarkably shy and suspicious countenance it's like he's trying to give a dog away loves Grog wears a shabby dress and has no hat on the crown of his head there it is you had this fuck there it is hats I'm not to
Starting point is 00:43:21 mention he doesn't wear a hat he's an address I'm not certain whether he has ears or not he leans his head to one side as if he had a stretch and goes along working his shoulders up and down with evidence signs of anger against fleas and lights me thinks he's in the thriller video I got it yeah there's a visual component oh it worked James life was now falling apart he fell into poverty and had to move into a poor house okay his wife then died of yellow fever then Cobot revealed that James had been anonymously publishing political tax in the Aurora oh boy people were livid James was now not just in legal
Starting point is 00:44:17 danger but also physical danger as well Jesus James claimed his house had been broken into and his family threatened twice by wannabe assassins okay or but the assassins ninjas yeah assassins don't come in and then just threaten well I mean maybe they got scared off by the dog gonna just let this go away or back then they also would use poetry against or some guy comes in and he just says to James's you know he just says to James he's like it's a beautiful family be a shame if something happened to their father and then he's gone and then we just get a sketch a couple years later yeah yeah yeah that's it
Starting point is 00:45:02 that uh disgrace good yeah thanks disgrace it impoverished James left Philadelphia for Virginia on foot in the summer of 1798 well I think I'll walk it good boy that's time when you just be like alright well I'm gonna work for four months like what he was too scared to go in a carriage because he thought it would be just gonna walk like because he thought that people people people were looking for him so he thought that if he was in a carriage he could be found easily so yeah yeah no definitely take the slow public route of walking without any coverage for sure be safe he left his four kids behind who were put into the
Starting point is 00:45:38 care of his old friend Thomas Leeper and as he headed south he learned that he was still being hunted outside of Leesburg Virginia he was arrested drunk and loitering outside of a distillery okay so things are good he was charged with vagrancy okay he made to his destination which was and you don't have a hat on that's crazy and illegal he finally made to his destination which was senator mason's home in Virginia James complained to Jefferson that Republicans owed him for what he had done okay he also whined that he was quote blight and stared at as if I was a rhinoceros okay yeah right sure sure
Starting point is 00:46:19 sure and I am in danger of being murdered without doors all right so what it's happening now um I guess a lot of people like back then carried doors around shut up yeah yeah no no no yeah it was very common shut up it was almost like having a hat where's your door what oh he's saying there that he's a friend of two he wants to be behind doors he finds comfort doors is what I think he's saying I think he's saying that he needs the place to hide out I think I think I mean yeah well everyone's trying to murder him I think you'd say if you're saying doors you're like I like doors what doors is like
Starting point is 00:46:56 really ideal right now Jefferson London $50 and encouraged him to keep writing which helped him get such a person oh my god so James shows up he's like Thomas my only friend I'm bloody walked here oh I thought it's gonna get murdered on the way I need to buy a bunch of doors I need safety I need something I'll tell you I can't sleep right now but to be around the friend finally the warming price I'll tell you it's like I'm a blanket on my shoulders after I've been cold for a while well here's $50 keep writing so no I'm no I'm saying like I'm going to die
Starting point is 00:47:34 if I'm not careful fucking all right well you know here's $50 you should write you know what I always liked where your pamphlets I love your writing your pamphlets are great great hey so the thing is my wife is really weird about having someone who ever wants to murder crash with us yeah you know kind of one of these people and she wears the pants in the relationship all right but well when you got a rough draft of that pamphlet don't be afraid to come on or just place I'll take a look seater so Jefferson helped him get on his feet until he was hired at the Richmond examiner James sorry writing his next
Starting point is 00:48:14 pamphlet the prospect before us man these it is so reminiscent to me of albums totally totally is just gotta figure it out I need inspiration like what is this pamphlet about this is gonna be my sergeant paper pamphlet my sergeant pamphlet this pamphlet was an argument against President Adams so this got the parental warning and for President Jefferson okay so well I think at this point Jefferson is vice president at this point you this was back when the you wouldn't be on the same party so you people would vote for either so you could have a like it was today you could have a Democratic president and
Starting point is 00:49:04 then a Republican vice president oh right right right it's the top two right that's how people would just vote people you'd vote for your vice president you'd vote for your president yeah separated oh but I thought I thought at one point it was like you whoever got the top two amount of the vote thinks I like to invent I might be wrong now you might be right so James then published some claims in the paper which resulted in a near riot as people tried to drive him out of Richmond boy so this guy is just a bridge burner yeah James was terrified and wrote to Jefferson saying he wanted to leave newspaper writing and beg
Starting point is 00:49:40 Jefferson to get him a job as a teacher or a door maker a door someone who creates doors and has access to a lot of doors got idea door oh I'd love to live in the house of doors fuck yeah that'd be great Christ Jefferson just sent James money for his advance copies of the prospect before us can't wait to read it keep us all posted here he also wrote a letter praising James's literary ability to stir up the public and exposed corruption dearest Thomas I fear that my writings have finally got me in a lot more trouble than we've ever anticipated at this point I think the freedom of
Starting point is 00:50:20 expression is something I must cast off for my views when expressed properly illicit violence from folk please I need your help whatever you can do do it now help me can't wait to read the next one amigo love your stuff XOXO Tommy James was back on board after getting this letter and kept working on the prospect before us they wrote many letters back and forth though Jefferson never signed his oh interesting sincerely James then publishes attack on Adams future historians he predicted quote will inquire by what species of madness America submitted to accept as her president a person without abilities
Starting point is 00:51:10 and without virtues a being alike incapable of attracting either Tennyson tenderness or esteem James called Adams quote a hideous hemaphrodietic hemaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman this is getting a little sad yeah Jefferson was thrilled which was odd for a man who was friends with Adams and James calendar was kind enough to send a copy to president Adams okay interesting now say what's this I'm after a hemaphroditical and yet even though I'm
Starting point is 00:52:08 a hermaphroditical person I lack the compassion on either side well this is scandalous writing and hot and something about it's making me want to lay down I'm tingling that's it I'm going into the blankets with no pants on for a little while and I'm gonna put my touching gloves on they did use touching gloves that's right I've got a set of gloves I use for touching the fabric the Lord can't see your hands in invisible hand fabric now for masturbating wink wink the pamphlet also laid out what James believe were the roots of corruption in the United States system of government okay the Federalists scrambled to
Starting point is 00:52:51 deny all of his points with almost no evidence this really weakened their reputation and James pushed Jefferson as being the only true candidate to vote for the Federalists return fire spreading rumors that Jefferson with an was an atheist from whom the God-faring people would have to hide their Bibles okay he's coming for your Bible yeah it's the same thing but come get your guns but back then I want your Bibles imagine open a hotel drawer and not seeing the Lord's work in the second one that's why I joined the National Bible Association that's right from our cold dead hands President Adams then
Starting point is 00:53:30 came after James calendar in July 1798 Congress passed the Sedition Act which criminalized and making false statements that were critical of the federal government oh boy so what are we t-minus two years out that was wrote the legislation in a desperate act to stop Republican newspapers that were ruining them Republicans then howl because it was a constitutional overreach that reeked of a monarchy Republicans worried the Federalists would make the Senate or the presidency a lifetime position no boy federalist worried the lies coming from Republican papers would undermine the country completely everybody's
Starting point is 00:54:15 right just before the election on May 21st 1800 seven years after arriving in America James was arrested under the Sedition Act well the trial was incredibly unfair and not much more than a mockery the judge was a huge federalist partisan and wanted to lock James away the jury was packed with federalists Jefferson hired him three good lawyers but he was convicted sentenced to nine months and given a $200 fine okay the judge said an attack on Adams made quote an attack upon the people themselves nope at least this doesn't ever happen again in jail James kept writing and titled one new
Starting point is 00:55:00 chapter more sedition oh god he's dropping more sedition now he just dropped sedition it's fucking amazing he's just so he's just such a fucking curmudgeon what what mine for sedition what am I writing about sedition for my next sedition Republicans called Republicans gather around James cause like so they're they're backing him up okay and in the end Jefferson wins the presidency okay a lot of because this right this stuff my backfires James celebrated quote hurrah how I shall triumph over the miscreants that's an actual quote so he keeps writing to Jefferson I mean it's about to get sad
Starting point is 00:55:57 right yeah so he keeps writing to Jefferson but you're not getting my letters Tom what's happening over there Jefferson is not responding yeah so James worked on the prospect before us volume to a defense of Jeffersonian politics okay so when he was released from prison after the nine months he's about to come at Jefferson eventually right yeah well he expects to reap the benefits of all this fucking help for Jefferson hey where's my room hey all I've gots my spindle stiff need a shower before supper what we haven't ham Jefferson pardoned him and he pardoned all the others convicted under the
Starting point is 00:56:37 sedition act but he distanced himself hey James openly asked for the $200 fine to be given back to him okay and for President Jefferson to appoint him postmaster in Richmond okay so he wants a fucking job sure he wants yeah and he wants the cashback that he paid this bullshit sure he got part just so he should get the money back sure Jefferson just ignored him okay now that he was in power Jefferson did not need James James was pissed oh is it time for the time he wrote to Madison quote oh I now begin to know what in gratitude is but James was just too much trouble he was unpredictable and despised by many and
Starting point is 00:57:29 he wanted to change the entire Constitution and be rid of parties so that obviously doesn't work for the Republicans or the yeah right it's a uniting thing yeah James went to DC and instead of meeting with him Jefferson sent Mary whether Lewis to meet with him how are you Lewis would later go on the Lewis and Clark expedition okay hey well small time sure James threatened Jefferson saying he had letters that they had colluded to attack Adams okay Lewis gave James $50 as hush money what yeah but nothing sobered up James calendar like revenge oh here we go he went back to Richmond and got a job with
Starting point is 00:58:13 a centrist paper called the Richmond recorder here we go this paper leaned federalist oh no he's reinventing himself James started the work hi I'm Stephen Baldwin James started the work of tearing down the Republicans he attacked gamblers and doolers and slave owners who had children with their slaves while pretending they did no such thing as uppercross Virginians he then went after Jefferson here we go writing Jefferson had always known about James writings and supported him financially oh boy this is I mean Dave this is very similar stormy Hamilton published all of these articles in his paper and accused
Starting point is 00:59:09 Jefferson of being behind exposing Hamilton's affair Jesus Jefferson wrote a letter to Monroe quote I am really mortified at the base in gratitude of calendar it presents human nature in a hideous form it gives me concern because I perceive that relief which was afforded him on mere motives of charity may be viewed under the aspect of employing him as a writer perhaps I mean I was just giving him charity I was just paying him to write more bullshit to get me elected charity cash it's called a slush fund dummies federalist and Republican papers began to attack each other Republicans now attacked their
Starting point is 00:59:48 old attack dog James Calender okay one wrote that James wife had died from an STD quote on a loathsome on a loathsome bed with a number of children all in a state next to famishing while calendar was having his usual pint of brandy at breakfast oh my god okay so they're just painting some sephilitic woman dying on a bed with kids with their ribs showing surrounding her while he's down there like book book book book book book with his slave Sally Havings. Oh shit. It's go time. He used the racist language of the day in his writings. The story spread like wildfire. Like the syphilis his wife died
Starting point is 01:00:54 from. This was a quandary as the Republicans had just spent years saying Hamilton was not fit for office because of his affair. Oh my god. Yummy. Jefferson just ignored all the claims. But James kept writing about it and the newspaper subscription grew. Boy. His writing was more popular than ever but it began to having an ongoing fight with the paper's publisher. The publisher accused James of sodomizing his brother. Wait what is sorry what just happened to the story. What is going on. Wait. Sorry. The publisher of the paper that James is catching fire from is a bit of a curmudgeon towards James because he claims that James sodomized his brother to James is working for this federalist paper. Sure. But then he starts to not get along
Starting point is 01:01:49 with the publisher and then it turns out that the publisher says James sodomized his brother. Extra. The newspaper is weird. It's weird. Reporters are weird. I'm not going to let you run with the lead because you sodomized my brother. Quit fucking with my brother. Come on let me just run with that. This story's got teeth. I'll tell you what James I like your gumption but I've got to tell you every time I look at you I just think about that time that just sodomized my brother. You're on a crime beat. Oh come on. What are you talking about. That's desk work. He fucking liked it. He liked it. Well to be honest part of the problem here is that now I was wondering what it would be like. Hello. He was also constantly is there an explanation. Do we have follow ups on
Starting point is 01:02:45 this. We have nothing else about that. We have no idea. We just know that he queues up sodomizing. Okay. So we've got an unclosed sodomy file in the story. Well that's why rocker files covers it later. Sure. He was also constantly threatened by Republicans. So James started to drink stories of his behavior while drunk began seeping out according to one story he stumbled into his host bedroom so the place is living in in the middle of the night and demanded that his servant be whipped. Oh okay. It's quite a it's time to wake everyone up but I was wondering if it was on a whip with servant. Okay. I'll just go back to bed then. So then James refused to write anymore and he went on a four week bender. Oh those are long. That's a long bender on the 17th of July 1803 James was seen wandering
Starting point is 01:03:39 junkily out of town. Okay. Later that day his body was found floating in the James River in very shallow water. The irony. The medical examiner pronounced him dead by accidental drowning and he was buried the same day. Wow. Years later D. and A. were determined that Jefferson had children with Sally and of course Hamilton was shot by Aaron Burr. Yeah. Yeah. When he was like isn't this weird that we're now doing boy. So anyway. So what do we. So first of all fake news it turns out is part of the foundation of our country. It's not fucking new. Yeah. There's always been fake fucking news. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is insane what happens when you deny people access easy access to truth. How how easy it is for people to give up on trying to find out what's real.
Starting point is 01:04:38 It's fucking crazy. But that is the first that I mean that is like that this is like the inception of TMZ. Yeah. Basically he's the first guy that went you know super. Yeah that just went for it. That was just like there's literally no rules. Yeah he's like there's no off the record. There's no freedom of it's you know you get free speech so let's fucking knock this shit to the wall. Yeah. Go full fucking on. The firsts. The firsts. They're the weirdest. The best. Some some might say it would be great to get him into this world now and be like thank you. Happy dick hole. But I like how what he the one thing he did was call out how our system of government is fucking shit. Yeah. Right. Yeah. During the during the time that we
Starting point is 01:05:25 look back on as like this is when everything was perfect. No. Was it. Yeah. It's like no. Everybody was still like the same. We were I mean yeah we were all just like now this is bullshit. It's monarchy probably. Yeah. This is going to help rich people. Jesus Christ. Well I mean what do we expect. The what's amazing is how don't do that. What's amazing is how how this country was founded upon leaving the monarchy. Yeah. And we're just inching towards the monarchy. King Trump. Yeah. Great. Well that's been the dollop podcast. Yeah. We signed cars. We signed cars. Oh I should point out I was on the Scalar Brothers podcast called dumb people town. Oh you were. Last episode. Enjoy that. A lot of a lot of fun with them. And yeah. They're good
Starting point is 01:06:20 fellas. They're funny fellas. Good guys. And that's a good podcast on people. And that and that dvk character to the Daniel Vinker. Okay. Yeah. He's a good one. Good guy too. So great. All right. Let's go to Denny's. Thanks.

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