The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 328 - The Arizona Orphan Battle

Episode Date: May 22, 2018

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the Arizona Orphan Battle. SOURCESTOUR INFO MERCH BY JAMES FOSDIKE

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eater, lover of dogs, man who eats sandwiches, Dave Anthony. Wow, read the story. Fire and sandwiches, boy mister. His friend, Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. That was good I thought you were good. I was great on that one. You, I will say your list of three there if we could keep them to that caliber I'm back in on the bit you know those are solid just when we're talking about like guy who performs dish-soaping. Oh, nap taker. Guy who pours dish soap into the the special fancy dish soap holder. And called it quote his jam-packed. Jam-packed? I'm the fucking hippo guy. Dave, okay. My name's Gary. My name's

Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not going to come to Tiggly Quad guys. Okay. This is like a five-part coefficient. Now hit him with the puppy. You both present sick arguments. No sleep, no hippo. That's like no hippo. Action partner. Hi Gary. No. I sleep done my friend. No. No. I won't. Roar down in the car. 1873. Nice. The. The town of Clifton was founded in Eastern Arizona. As the miners, as miners sat along the banks of the of a Canyon Stream near the San Francisco River and Chase Creek. So sounds nice, right? Yeah, I'm sold.

What do we Airbnb in? Yep. Cliff surrounded Clifton. Uh, sure, makes sense. Uh, the river's often, often flooded, uh, which then just washed away all the houses and businesses. That's nice though. Sort of like God renovating the streets.

But there's copper there. So they just kept rebuilding. I mean, it's basically like, if you look at a picture of it, you'd be like, why would you build, why would you build a place there? Like it's just surrounded by cliffs. That happens in Malibu now. Yeah. Okay.

That's true. 1000 feet up from Clifton was the town of Morency. Okay. Clifton, sorry, copper was also discovered there in 1872 and mining started the next year. By 1904, Morency was a shoot them up Western hell town and fought with Tombstone for the title of toughest town in Arizona. Geez.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. I don't know what's going on now, but I don't like it when Aaron walks around, I think we said, wow, I'll still like it when he says, don't worry about it to me. Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. I looked the other way. He's already like, you already spilled tea motherfucker. So Morency was more of a camp than a town while Clifton had a bit of a business district sort of centralized situation. Okay. Saloons and brothels huge in both towns. Okay.

So that I was, it's funny because I was like, which one would have that? Yeah. Well, yeah. Out of the two. Is it a business or all of them? I'm imagining Clifton has the, the higher end brothels and sure. And Morency has the lower. Well, Morency's were it was itchies, Mama itchies, which is one of the

best scratchies, itchies and next door scratches. Also next door is bugs. Yeah. Oh God. Hey, guys, don't go to bugs. They ain't lying. Violence was common. A squad of Arizona Rangers had to come in to settle a Mexican smelter strike in

1903. Okay. The Mexicans were upset, their pay was being cut by 10%. Okay. The mostly white miners and the Mexican smelters squared off. Okay. Cause obviously the white guys are bringing the rocks up and stuff and they're like, well, do your fucking job and smelt it or we're fucked.

Right. And we don't care if you get paid. Right. So I think it sounded like that. I bet it was not far off, but before anything happened between this two sides, a big rainstorm hit and water ripped through Clifton destroying 100,000 improperly and killing 50 people. Hey, remember when we was arguing foolish, huh?

Hey, God doesn't like the strike. Yeah. Boy. Can't believe we were arguing over town that's not here anymore. So that kind of ended the strike, the feelings behind the strike. Yeah. No, no, then there's bigger fish to fry. Um, so the leaders were then arrested and put in jail.

Okay. Obviously this did nothing to help with racial tensions in the area. Right. So they rebuilt, they keep going. Health and sanitation report, both towns had bad water and bad air and were polluted by the smelt, uh, the smelters and missions, right? Sure. The big towers spewing out black.

Do they know other towns exist or they're just aware of the other? I think this is how a lot of towns work back. Okay. Um, this led to a high rate of infertility in both towns, which led to a lot of couples wanting children. Oh. The setup. This was called baby hunger.

Oh, Dave. No. What? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. It's not, it's not like you would eat, eat a baby. Well, it's very, it's a little close for my liking. Want a baby.

No, no, no. Want a baby, a baby. It's still hunger. Hunger for baby. Um, her belly's growling because it ain't got something living in that womb. She's baby hungry. She's baby hungry. She's got baby hunger.

Mexican and Mexican Americans made up about 60% in Clifton and 70% in Mornsey. Mm-hmm. Oh, dear. But the copper mines created and backed a rigid hierarchy. Okay. Right? White's got the best jobs and the best pay. The, the white state?

Yeah. Yeah, it's like a reverse of America. Very strange. Yeah, very weird. They were given a lot of opportunity. Interesting. Uh, white also had more of a broad definition in towns like this than in other places in the U.S. Uh, white person can be a dog.

A dog could be a white person. First, uh, there were the Americans of English descent and Scott, Scottish. And then a notch down with Irish. And then Italians and Spaniards. Oh my God. Okay. So there's, there's the white list. Right.

Basically anyone who's not Mexican or Chinese, basically. Right. Right. That's white. Right. But that's still, you're like a lower tiered white. Yeah, you're a lower tiered white, but not here. You're, you're kind of just white.

White, white. If you're in New York and you're an Italian, you're a bad white, but here you're just white. They're like, you're cool. Okay, okay. Cool. That's nice. Yeah. That's nice.

Yeah, there was some progress in some places. Yeah, it's hard to know what to fight for it with like inner white violence. You're like, I mean, they deserve some bruises. Yeah, I mean, yeah. So the whites were not very religious, but the local Mexicans, super Catholic. Okay. Sure. They were colonized and destroyed.

Okay, right. And that makes you turn to Jesus. Right. Because the Lord, as was discussed in episode 197, the orphan trains, the orphans of New York City were a problem. Oh my, oh no. Whoa, baby hunger. Orphan trains.

Right now you're in my mind palace. Your mind is amazing. It's amazing to watch work. I think I see a connection. It's like Stephen Hawking is channeling through you. On and on to the connector. I've connected the dots again on this one. I think I see where we're headed.

So in New York, mostly Irish kids swam the streets. The New York Times called them, quote, ulcers of society. Okay, it's beautiful, right? Nice. Yeah, yeah. They begged, they got the jobs, they pickpocketed, they stole. So the Protestant leaders in New York agreed the best thing to do would be to put them on trains and send them to, quote, Protestant homes outside the city.

Okay. So they just packing these little Irish kids on trains and firing them out into the rest of the country. And people would come out, as we talked about, people would come out and just grab them off the train. There we go. That would be your child to have sleep in the barn and work. I have issues.

You're coming with us. Any kid not in school could be arrested and eventually find themselves on a train, whether they had parents or not. And there was no legal obligation to tell the parents. They could just grab a kid and put it on a train. And then the parents are like, where's my kid? And they're like, oh, I guess, I don't know. Was he a shit?

Yeah, a bit. And he probably got put on a train. We put a bunch of the shits on trains. He lives with a different family now. Oh, maybe. Me clovers. I think that's a some sort of exasperated expression among the Irish. Oh, me clovers.

I don't know what message we're sending anymore. And it turns out putting kids on a train and sending them across the country was much cheaper than housing them and taking care of them. For sure. Today, we do this with something called homeless people. Interesting. I hadn't noticed. We have changed the orphan trains into homeless buses.

Eventually, over 100,000 children were railroaded out of New York City. And everyone thought it was great. No one was like, this is great. OK. Really good. Except the Catholics. Oh, here we go. Putting Irish Catholic kids on trains was what they considered cultural genocide.

OK. So the Irish Catholics are like, why are you getting rid of all the Catholics? Yeah, it seems really weird because weird. That's the foundation we were sort of trying to lay. Yeah, we I thought this was like a place of freedom. And now there's just 95 of them packed in a boxcar just like. So the Sisters of Charity decided to counter it. The order's first foundling house was established in 1870 for as a place for

children, a foundling. OK, so they're doing they're creating an orphanage situation. Sure. Sort of as opposed to putting them on trains. Right. OK, right to stop the cultural genocide. Sure, better. The nuns allowed poor mothers to drop off babies without question

and gave them up to three years to reclaim the child. Right. So that's pretty nice. No, that's great. That's great. It's good to know you three year window. Sure, yeah. Well, and then you just got to check back in and then you can buy another three years.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I still don't want him. So I'll be back in. Three. I'll check back in and three. Keep raising him. They also turned to placing kids, but they follow strict guidelines. They they what?

Place them in homes. OK, right. They also. So the ideal age is three years old because at that point the kids are weaned, you know, they're not as reliant on the mother. They're kind of, you know, but still too young that people wouldn't try to get them to have them as laborers on their farms or in their house or whatever. Oh, my God.

Although, I bet there were some that were like, you can swing a hammer, right? I kind of families were vetted and matched in advance. There were no cattle calls like on the orphan trains, right? It was more of a legit sort of putting them in places that people like a dating app at this point. Yes, yes, yes, a little bit of vetting, but probably not tons. And why not? And why don't we have an app?

Oh, we've got a match. Babies, look at him. He liked us back. I'm terrified because, you know, I love his profile. Some fucking Silicon Valley asshole will be pitching this at a. Look at his profile. D.C. Place ain't going to take no for an answer.

But look at those cute little rosy cheeks. I'm going to message him. Let's see what he says. Oh, God, matchingbabies.com. He's going to send an axe emoji. Well, most importantly, the families had to be Catholic. Right. And they were very faithful Catholic Mexicans in Clifton and Marency.

OK. Clifton had a brand new priest. Nice. Father Mandan. Sure. He was 26 and a brand new clergyman. So this is first first job. Nice, right?

It's a sweet spot. Yeah, sweet spot. Yeah, it's nice. He's French. He came from the Frenchland. Oh, nice. OK. He got a couple of letters from.

He's like a real Macron type. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. OK. He got a couple of letters from the Sisters of Charity in New York and read one to his congregation. So 60 parishioners applied for a child. Oh, my God, OK.

Sixty, sixty or ready. He picked 33 out of those 60. Most were mining families. It's going to be quite an influx of new talent. Yeah, yeah. There's a whole there's a whole thing coming in. OK. Um, the father earning a, quote, Mexican wage made a buck 50 to 250 a day.

OK. On September 25th, the children left from Grand Social Station headed to their new home in Arizona. This is really weird. Why? Because it's a big batch. Yeah, yeah. It feels like I'm leashing gremlins a little. It's, well, I mean, the cool thing is that they know each other, like all the kids know each other.

I, now, OK, here's, no, if I, again, because you know me, I love to connect dots. Mm-hmm. I'm the connector. That's why they call you the connector. That's why I have that show that was canceled after eight minutes called the connector on CBS. It was Thursday and it was canceled after eight minutes. Only the fastest cancellation ever. You remember, I loved your tagline.

Oh, well, there was more to it, but that's where they cut out. Yeah, oh, yeah. No, and what it was was, oh, those dots is a connected. That's what I would say. Anyway, I don't think it's an advantage that they all know each other. There's a shorthand there I'm maybe not comfortable with, with this sort of type of, I'm nervous. OK, I don't know why you're nervous. This is a great heart.

Well, everyone wants to do a heartwarming one. No, no, no, no, you mean heartwarming. So Sister Anna Bowen was in charge. There was also Sister Ann Cross. We're all named Ann. Sister Frances Keller, four nurses and a placement agent named George Swain. How are you? I'm in charge of potting them.

I'll be putting them in the pots. I put them in the pots and then I sort of organized the look of the yard with them. The children were between two and six years old. OK, OK, young. They were all Irish with names like Shanley, Fitzpatrick, Cain, a Welsh, Ryan, Mack, you know, the usual. Yeah, a Welsh is a really good Irish name. What? I don't know.

It was just in there. I bet it is, but it's still like. The journey took 11 days. They arrived in Clifton in the early evening. Oh, my God. They're ready. Don't feed them after midnight. The town did not look great.

OK, black smoke from the smelter towers hung in the air. The foster mothers were at the station, but worded spread through the town that orphaned children were coming. Did you hear this little baby? There's a bunch of little babies, and I think some of them are evil, but some are too. It's like picking babies off a tree if there is a baby tree. We get to pot them. We're potting them and then we'll organize them in the garden.

And a whole gaggle of white women pushed away to the front and looked into the train windows. OK. They were delighted. Oh, baby train. All the girls were in new white dresses and each little boy was in a sailor suit. Hello, I'm actually evil. Don't you love me, mother?

I've been in this for 11 days. Sailor, yeah, it's going to be humming a little bit. All right, sailors, now look how nautical now. Come on, boys, this is the big show. This is what we were training for on the, well, the train. So the children were then taken to the priest's house, Father Mandan, where the Mexican foster mothers lined up. I mean, what is going on?

For their new white babies? A French priest is handing off Irish babies to Mexican Catholic families. It's America. Because. It's America. This is my America. Because New York was like, get out. Get them out.

But this is why America is beautiful. This is why America is such a beautiful, wonderful place. Oh, yeah, it's great. The race is coming together. It's a smelting pot. It's people, everybody's very accepting and loving. Sure, yeah. No, I'm sure.

I can't wait to see what it is. So each kid had a tag. Oh, like a UPC? Sown into their clothes that had the name of their. 1999. Foster parent. So there'd be no mixing up of kids unless the kids switch shirts or dresses. Well, I wouldn't put it past these little Irish hooligans.

Irish bastards. So agent Swain and the priest check the tags and then the children were put in the arms of the new mothers. Okay. See, it's beautiful. These kids finally have a parent. This is great. It's a little like Oprah giving cars away. But something happened on the trip.

The Irish Catholic, the unwanted white society in New York became super white and wanted in Arizona. Sister Anna suddenly objected to the color difference between the mothers and the children. Whoa. Okay. Father Mandan did not understand the issue. Right. The kids were Catholic. The mothers were Catholic.

Right. See, he's French. He's like, what's the fucking problem? What has changed is that there's a demand. Well, but he's also French. So to him, it's like, why wouldn't you? Spain is fine. She's an American.

Right. So she's like, no, you don't give a white baby to a Mexican. Right. What are you, French? But she... But they are the same. The whole problem was... Both the Catholics.

Every single... We were aiming towards was a religiously best. So I don't understand why this mothers was skin color. Well, you'll learn real fast. Sure they're Catholics, but they're Mexicans. Oh my God. It's like a Venn diagram. So, but Sister Anna deferred to the priest

and figured she could take back the kids later if she had to. Yes. No, absolutely. My God, the near-sightedness. No, you absolutely can remove the children. Once they have a comfortable foundation, reassess, then remove. Yeah.

When it's complicated and feelings are involved, then remove. That's right. Right. Thank you. Then a woman who lived in the town, a white woman, Louisa Gatti, marched in and asked for one of the children.

That's it. Give him back. May I have one of these? I don't know. I don't have anything that matches his color, but I'm taking him. I would like one. I want him. Then her husband showed up.

He talked to the priest in French and was told that no kids were available. They were all spoken for. Right. So, he's like, honey. Yeah. No, the app hooked all these people up already. Man, it's not going well with ours.

I think he's already got a family. That's why I pray. I think he's already got a family. That's why I pray for the baby if you want. Yeah, I know. I'm not matching. A very upset white Louisa left without a child. As did the other childless white women.

So, this is Impal's parent shopping, essentially. Basically, yeah. Yeah. So, the other white women came. They also had to leave. Worst of all, they had to sit there and watch as Mexican women walked out with white babies. The ultimate insult.

The. The. They thought it wasn't right and they fumed as one by one, Mexican women walked out with a white child in their arms. Then the angry white women headed back into town. The nuns had no idea anyone was upset and they went into the sleeping car

for the night on the train. The nuns went into the sleeping car? The nuns who brought the kids. Yeah. They thought everything's fine. The nuns and the nurses. Sure. Well, because this was all arranged.

Yeah. It's a crazy arrangement, but it was arranged. Yes, it's completely arranged. Okay. The next morning, the train took the remaining 24 children in wagons and drove to Morenzi. Okay. Which is like up this crazy hill.

Like it's like above the town. So you got to go way up this really rough sort of ride. Okay. Now things went a little bit different when they arrived at Holy Cross Church in Morenzi. Okay.

The new parents lined up. Lists were checked, but this time Sister Anna rejected nine of the families. I don't know why. Maybe she just said they're two Mexican. So Sister Anna who learned about the fact that some of the Catholic families were Mexican in the last town and now comes here

and is like, oh, there's a new policy. We're like American Idol now. Not everybody gets on. Yeah, right. Basically. Right. Oh, you didn't hear? No, you got to read the fine print

on the back of the tag on the kid's shirt. Little, but it's there. But all of the kids ended up giving out to Mexican Catholic families in the end. Okay. Now the Foundling Group, that's what I'm calling all the nurses

in the Foundling Group. Sure. And Asian Swing. Okay. That's where I've invested most of my money is in the Foundling Group. Yep. Then they went to the Morenzi Hotel.

They're like, our job is done here. Right. There, three local men starved in and confronted Asian Swing. Oh, boy. Three local men. One was the manager of Detroit Copper. That should be the name of the show.

Detroit Copper. The company... I've been looking for something to do ever since the connector got canceled. Pitch it. I would love to pitch it. There's also the company doctor. That was good.

And then another guy. So there's three of them. They demanded to know... Okay. Now I would like to show another guy. That's the one. That's my winner. So the three demanded to know how

Asian Swing could put white children with Mexicans. Okay. That's a weird one to answer. An Asian Swing basically said, fuck off, it's none of your business. Right. Okay.

Back in Clifton, the whites were getting riled up. Never a good... That's never a good sign. Never a good... Never a good thing. The worst next thing to hear is, and then a pitchfork train fell over.

The whites are getting riled up. That happens in St. Louis, right, Aaron? The whites get riled up. So they were trading stories. So now they're just sitting around talking shit about Mexicans. Okay. The trading stories of shiftless Mexican men

and immoral Mexican women. They were no better than Indians. And this really is just like flame fanning just out of racial recharged rage. Now they're just getting themselves riled up. Right. Well, I heard one of them. No, I won't say this.

I heard one of them. One of them rides a broom. Right. Brides of what? I don't know. Doesn't matter. We got to get them out of there. Did you say bear?

Yeah. One of them rides on the back of a bear and she has a sword and she is here to cut out and eat hearts of these little children. I said, are you talking about Zena? Zena? No, the what?

No, the Mexicans. Is there a princess warrior? No, they're not. No, there's no princess. They are Mex... Is there a princess warrior? No, there is no princess warrior. At the Beast Master.

You think you're the Beast Master? No, these... Oh, my God, these families. They should remake the Beast Master. What? I think you're in the wrong riot. Oh, shit. Yeah, get...

I'm at the network riot. Yeah, get out of here. So, they said they're no better than Indians. Halfbreeds who had filthy homes. They didn't know how to treat white children. One woman, she said she saw... And this is after hours. Yeah, this is...

They don't know how to treat the children. One woman said she saw a new Mexican mother give a beer to her child. Okay. And then I said they poisoned kids with spicy Mexican food. That's... Well, that's true.

I mean, how many more have to die at the hands of Pico de Gallo? That's why they call it Pico de Gallo. Oh. Pico de Gallo. The priest was terrible, selling them to the highest bidder. They also said...

All right, all right. We got one over here. We got one over here. We got one over here. 99. 99. All right. 10, 10, 10, 10, 11.

11, 11, 11, 12. 12, 12, 13, 13. Do I hear 13? I'll do I hear 14. Do I hear 14? 15. Do I hear 15? 15.

15 going what? 15 going 12? This man has a baby. I'm going to eat it. We're legally okay with us. I got a baby hunger. Different kind. Different kind than you, ma'am.

I like to eat them because they're soft. We can't sell to the guys eating babies. I'm going to cook them in my green egg. It's a smoker. Oh, boy. So there are eight female ringleaders and they persuaded five men to do something about the situation.

Well, good. This always ends well. The men went to the sheriff, but he told them he couldn't arrest the Mexicans without a reason. Right. Okay. So, you know, sometimes Dave, we get so mired

in the dumb reality that I forget that there is potential for someone to actually just call out reality and just say what has to be said, which is, oh, no, there's no reason to do that. So no, absolutely not. But he did agree to go to Mournsey to find the priest and agent and bring them back.

So he's in Clifton. So he says, I'm going to go up to Mournsey. I'm going to get the priest and the agent and bring him back. We're going to figure this out. Okay. I know a white guy is like, I'll go with you. So now it's the white guy and the sheriff

heading up there. Okay, good. So first they got there, they found sister Anna who told them she was going to inspect the homes and take away the kids if it wasn't good enough. So she's like, no, we have this handled. If it's not... Look, if there's hot sauce we take them.

We've been very clear. I think we know the parameters we're dealing with. Is there any pico? Any of them jumping around beans? Yeah. Period. So the sheriff who's now been joined by another man from Mournsey...

Okay. ...may they confront an agent Swain in his room. So they storm up to his room. It's a bad look. One of the men was the mind boss who told Swain the Mexicans didn't earn enough money and he knew that because he didn't pay them enough. Interesting admission.

I know they don't have the money because I'm an asshole. How do you think I'm rich? Yeah. Rumors swelled in the mining camp that the white children, quote, were going to stay in the half-breed homes. Which, not necessarily a rumor, the truth that's what is supposed to happen

they're supposed to stay in the homes of the people who legally were adopting them. This was planned. It's illegal adoption. Planned. Yes. This was planned. Yes.

A mob formed outside the hotel. You know, what do we have? What do we have? A 50% per episode mob rape on this show? I mean, effective or ineffective, they formed often. Yeah. I feel a mob coming on.

People stood outside and they shouted that they would take the children themselves. Okay. Good. Better, better, better, better, better. So the mind boss then lectured the foundling group about how awesome racial discrimination was in the Southwest.

Oh. He's... Okay, keep going, sorry. The placement, quote, violated some of the deepest feelings and strongest convictions in the Americans in the community. Good.

Obviously Americans meant white because a lot of these people are Mexican Americans but obviously America meant white. Yeah, no, you know, thankfully I feel like, oh, well, we had a brief detour but we're back on track. We're right there now, thankfully. So there's about 700 whites

who live in Morenzi, 400 of whom are now outside the hotel. Oh, Jesus. They pushed in and yelled they would tar and feather the priest and the agent. One of the nuns, quote... Is this still the French one? Yeah.

I mean, he must just be like, ah, sorry, very confused. I'm not sure why I would be tarred and feathered. This was agreed upon. That's what I thought. Ah, sorry. What are the nuns, quote... In the street, a sheriff sat on horseback

with a revolver like the other men. Women called us vile names and some of them put pistols to our heads. They said there was no law in that town and that they made their own laws. Nun meat gun. So it seems cool. Yeah, no, no, this is for sure how you drew it out.

This is still how adoption is done in the US. Very much, very much so, very much so. All right, well, we'll just be outside leering for a week and make sure the kid's not distressed. And if it is, we'll come in and yank it. In Clifton, so that's in Mornsey. Now, in Clifton, a crowd had been growing bigger and more angry by the hour throughout the day.

They learned in the afternoon from a phone call that Agent Swain would not give in. Very, very white woman, Meryl Wright, urged the, quote, good citizens of the town to rescue these babies. Rescue them from the people who are, I assume, feeding them and have a bed for them and stuff. Well, I mean, to be fair,

only one meal could have been served by now. True, true. So, you know, it's hard to judge. So 25 white men formed a posse. So now there's a posse in the mob? Well, this is the other town, so Clifton is formed a posse. But I thought we had a mob as well.

We kind of do have a mob. So we do have a posse inside a mob situation? Yeah. We got a posse in the mob? They said there was no law in that town and that they made their own, whoops, right? So they... Throw some tea on the chair.

They form a posse. Okay. They include two deputy sheriffs in the posse and a superintendent at the smelter. So a high-up guy at the smelter and then two. So big wigs, right? Sure, yeah. No, the guy's high up in smelting.

Top smelts. He's making the smelt game. What are you going to say? That's the name of the show I'm pitching. Well, that's good too. Top smelts. I see that on Bravo. Big time.

Like your future. Up the hill in Morenzie, facing an unwinnable situation, Sister Anna ordered Swain to go get the already-placed kids in Morenzie from their new homes. Funny enough, when auto-correct, when I didn't catch it, it spells Morenzie as moronic.

I don't know if that's auto-correct, Dave. You might just know the tale. Okay, so now the plan is removal. Yeah, because their lives are at stake, right? Absolutely, absolutely. These children who were living on the streets of New York, now who have homes, will not digest properly. And remember, people...

This is a very anti-Catholic time, so nuns are not something that... It's almost like the way people would be upset about Muslims today. It's like that sort of situation. Cool. And then after he got the kids out of the homes in Morenzie, he was to go to Clifton

and get the kids there. As...? How does he do that? He sort of got like a... When you catch a bunch of fish, just like a thing with a lot of hooks in it. This is a lot to keep track of. Yeah, you have a...

Or do you have a sort of sheepdog with you? No, it's like a Bjorn, but it's got like 25 others. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's great. I like that. Or you just got a bunch of those little straps like that you...

Yeah, you can also walk them like that. A little elastic sort of leash. Or... You're walking around like the dog whisperer with like 65 orphans. You can also do like a dittorah. Mosh, boys! Mosh! Yeah, baby...

Mosh! No, baby's just... The gravel hurts their hands, I think. But you know what? They can move. Yeah, they can move. They're little. So, as is the way in the area

when people start fighting, it started raining like crazy. Oh, my gosh, okay. The priest in Swain went out in the torrent of rain and told the new parents to bring their children to the hotel immediately,

storm or no storm. Okay. The Soek family started showing up at 7.30 p.m. and the last came at 10 p.m. Sorry. As each family walked in, the mind boss

would read aloud how much the father's wages were. What a dick! Goddamn! It just... The worst... It's like... The worst fucker.

Yeah, like everybody's terrible but then there's this guy who's like, I want to win it! The guy who doesn't pay them enough is then reading out how little he pays them, not understanding

that that makes him a fucking double asshole. Boy, Hank, you're a real dick! I know! Wait, what? By the way, Sue shows up to work Monday. To me, your labor's worth nothing.

In Clifton, the posse set out after dark in the rain. Okay. Armed with rifles and revolvers. Nice. A delivery man for the Arizona Copper Company

knew where the houses were because he was the delivery man for the store. So the copper man's gonna be the problem. He called the foster parents his longtime customers, quote,

half Indians of the lowest kind. Cool. Okay, so it looks like the mine boss isn't necessarily gonna run away with this one. I didn't know about copper delivery man.

The posse went house to house and demanded each orphan. The posse went house to house and demanded each orphan. Yeah. I mean... America the beautiful. But when did they got to...

We're taking your kid back. What? There's a good amount of us. No, no, no, no. There we go. All right. See you later, ma'am. That's my...

Her husband only makes a dollar a week. It's raining out there. How you doing, ma'am? Sorry, we were just next door. Oh, there we go. Here he is. It's a little one.

Put him on the leash. There we go. His husband makes 50 cents. He's a loser. How do you know that? I'm the dick who doesn't pay anyone anything. I've got real issues.

I didn't think that I'm actually shouting this. I think the lapses I have. What a nightmare it must be to be a lonely old mind. How much do you make a year? A lot. Because I rip off all these

idiots. So when they got to the home of the Chacons, it was a bit awkward because she was the town teacher and he made the highest wage of all the Mexicans in town. And the Deliverman felt

a little bit ashamed knowing they were, quote, honest people. But, you know, they took the baby. Well, yeah, they're half Indians or whatever, right? Because the posse d'art

agreed that all Mexicans were bad. Well, you're running on posse fuel at this point, too. Yeah, no. I mean, you can... And it is nice to hear there's an ember in there.

I understand disappointing a child or foster parents. Sure. Real hard to disappoint a posse. Yeah. Because you see the look in their eyes. Oh, but...

Like, they want to do bad. No, it's Christmas. It's Christmas at the spur of the moment. Yeah. You don't want to ruin that for the posse. Well, I guess we're not

going to get every baby. Okay, come on, guys. We tried. We tried. By midnight, all 16 Clifton orphans were at one of them were sick to their stomachs.

Sure. I wonder why. No. Trauma? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not a train ride followed by relief and immediate

removal. None of that. It was that hot food. You do what's best for the kids. Absolutely. Kids come first, after us. A gaggle of white women

put the children to bed in blankets on the floor. So the posse handed to the gaggle. Yes. Okay. So the mob had a posse and the posse had

handed to the gaggle. They could not calm down until 2 a.m. Sure. That's good. Yeah. One child, Josephine Corcoran, who was

two and a half, sang hysterically until she fell asleep. Oh, my God. That's a beautiful picture. I love. So. I love.

You know you're doing good when they get up. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know you're doing good when a two-and-a-half-year-old

hysterically sings herself to sleep. Oh, my God. It's just a win. Oh, my God. It's a win. And that's when it feels good to be a white person

because you know. There's a maniac, maniac on the floor. I'm so. I'm so alone. I'm so alone. And she's dancing like she's never.

That's... You see how they do? Yeah. That's hard to shift gears. Swain and the priest arrived in Clifton around midnight with the intention

of sleeping in the hotel and then getting up in the morning and getting all the kids from Clifton. But then they got there and they found out that the hotel

was full of kidnapped children. No, we have a room But even though they had all the kids The white people were still furious at the priest and swaying. What also? What is the plan? What is the white? What is their plan the whites? Okay, they demanded that ancient swain wire the Foundling office in New York To get permission for the white families to keep the children. Okay, so I said I mean

Look Dave. I've bought a candy bar at checkout before I know what it's like to not want to make a purchase and make one on a whim the Is it possible to is that possible? To go from waking up with no intent on being a parent and by that evening Everybody is like we're gonna be parents to these kids. I mean in America and it is possible. Yeah I think it's possible underneath those stars and anything you want man. You want to steal a baby stealing baby Long as you're white, you're fine. Oh my god But agent Swain refused

Two men to men then barred him from the hotel So he and the priest had to sleep in a Mexican boarding house that night That was the only place anyone would let them sleep. Okay in the morning The white women started divvying up the children that were not theirs. So it's just sort of dodgeball pick team rules Get two captains and go from there quote People literally began fighting over children. The children were being dickered over as if at a bazaar Okay, so Just more trauma

More trauma if you're one of the kids Oh my god, like standing there like what if you're the you know when you used to play sports and you're the last one That's what I mean. Then what if you're that kid everyone's like, that's what I mean So you're like the kid or you're the kid at the dance who doesn't get asked to dance Yeah, and then someone eventually is like my mom said I have to dance with you because you look sad You're like I'll take it. Okay. I'll be this one's mom. Yeah. Yeah I'm actually quite charming if you get to know me. You've got a walleye Yeah, I wanted the perfect one. Well truth be told one of my hands is broken as well

Oh, Christ. God. We have a rewrite job. You're basically a Mexican. Here we go. All right. Well, let's raise this thing Hopefully you can wash dishes and don't mind if the parents have sex in front of you Not gonna lie you're in for a startling awakening But no hot sauce. No, it's fine. You're not gonna have the sauce of the devil Mrs. Pascoe claimed Jerome Shanley merely the right took Catherine Fitzpatrick. Mrs. Jake Abram took Singing Josephine Thank you I'm excited

Laura Abraham grabbed the youngest Elizabeth Cain. It was her birthday in three days Happy birthday to me to For your second birthday, we got you unreachable unsolvable trauma Welcome to PTSD Uh Louise Gotti finally got a white kid taking three-year-old William Norton. Okay boy though What a yeah, my heart's so warm. It's great a Judge arrived. So there's a judge that was sent for of course right now

Yes, someone to what enforce the dumb things. Well, the the the Mexican family's like, oh, thank God a judge is coming I have a feeling they're going to not me to be fine. So he arrives on the evening train the whites were hoping he would make their Stealing of the children legal sure sure. So this is just sort of a portable judge just sort of like a Judge delivery service should have that today. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah But the judge said he couldn't sign adoption papers without authorization from the fouling who was the legal guardian Pissing rain. It's piss. It's everything's wrong She's just got woken up at like midnight

At the same time he would not give the children back to the fouling reps So they remained with the white people. So he's like, I cannot give them back to the Mexicans I got and keep him for now Not legally though. Yeah, all right. Yeah So when the whites heard the judge would not help that's a good thing this doesn't happen to Mexican children today No, no, it's all good When the whites heard the judge would not help they lost their shit Okay, and they chased swaying in the priest into the streets

Jesus the two men were forced to hide in the back room of a saloon until the mob moved on Boy, that is a terrifying hide right there. Yeah, I mean that is yeah Doesn't sound like there's a window in the back room of a saloon And then they then they booked it back to more and see but things they it turns out were not good there either Let's go back to the back room back to the back room back to the back room Deputy Gus Hobbs told them this is in more and see that the whites of more and see we're playing to grab the kids from the Nuns and give them to white parents The deputy then ordered everyone in the New York group

The fouling as and the priest to get out of town the next morning on the 7 a.m. Train Okay Sister Anna said she and her nuns would not leave and we confront the white kidnappers Okay, giving up their lives if necessary to protect the children. Okay. All right, so yes That's all right. Um, yes, we're rooting but but swaying in the priest were like rooting for that and got the fuck out of there Right, okay. Okay. We say we're good. Bye. You're tough nuns you nuns are so tough. So bye None the hell out of them It's gonna be a horrible video version. Yeah, people um what I just did towns people jeered at them as they left

Okay, so they're not only leaving but everyone's like fuck you Boo, this is what you wanted sort of you can't win with you. You're a shit head who brought white children that we kept Talk with the trains not moving The sheriff then told the nuns they would never take the children from the town because the engineers said he wouldn't let the kids on a train Okay, god damn. Yeah Then he said swaying had promised him two children in return for keeping the agent safe So the deputy is like none of the kids are leaving the town. Also, I had a deal with the guy. I got on the train I get to it gets to or excuse me and dose

All right. All right. I think I could be a good intermediary here First of all, I want first pick and I get to and I want these two right here the one that sings and this guy Hobbs now sister Anna allowed the sheriff to pick two children. Okay, great What is she can do there? He's the law like what the fuck sure sure you get to for sure He chose Hannah Kane three and a half and Edward Kumisky four and a half He then gave Hannah to a Clifton smelter boss and Edward 21 JT Kelly, so he took their kittens So no, so he took the kids to like curry favor with the rich guys in town He's like I want to and these kids are like, okay, fine

Closure closure that I don't touch me. No, I'm using you as bribes Hey, look at this one, huh? Welcome to corruption kids. You like that smell better. It's your life now And then the moron C mine boss showed up no him He said a Clifton doctor who now lived in Los Angeles wanted the boss to pick out a child for him. Oh god. This is unbelievable I oh my god, there's a lot of weird baby We really have we've gone through a lot of versions of this story of what could happen And sister Anna allowed him to of course he took a little girl, but still the mob outside is furious

I don't even know if they know what they want anymore. I have a good feeling they don't Armed men invaded the nuns hotel rooms. We want to be nuns took us a while to figure out a new track. I Love the Lord. Come on Behind them were local women who called the nuns slave traders and baby sellers cool. Yeah, cool Sister Anna was able to get out the back and track down the mind boss who they just given a kid to Mom's really do not have anyone working the back. No, no, no back door. It's just all front all front. That's the energy for you So she goes to the guy she just gave a baby to because she's like well I did you a favor. How about you do me a favor and since he'd had nice customer service with her and

You were nice and helping me pick one out. Give me a pretty sweet baby Yeah, you did tell me not to get that one because of his dead tooth. Oh, thank you bullet dodged He ordered the hotel to throw out the crowds. So he goes down and tells the hotel to get these fucking kids out here The crowds I mean mm-hmm peoples and then he promised to deploy his company guards around to Allow the whole party Nuns and kids to leave the next day. So he's gonna he's gonna set up the guards outside the hotel and then walk them to the train station So he goes down to the hotel he holds the crowd back gets it all done and

Negotiates with the crowd To allow the nuns and the remaining children to leave on the train the next day, okay? So he's the mind boss. So he's basically it's basically their boss now telling them what they have to do, right? Okay, right So the next morning the guard guards escorted the group to more Marency station. They climbed on a train at 7 a.m And left they left by 19 kids though. That's that was the total that they did not get to take okay When they got back to New York the New York Daily News ran the story and slammed Marency and Clifton as the most quote Debased localities that can be found on the entire southern tier of the states

The beseeching nuns were beaten off and the sobbing little ones were distributed among the vilest haunts of the two towns Well, that just makes you feel good about the 19 left behind So at the same time also nice for New York to get on its high horse for a second I'm like well though these places couldn't handle it that we shipped a bunch of kids there randomly I know but they're they're acting like it's awesome when they literally just do fucking cattle calls of babies Yeah, that's what I mean. They're like this one was actually okay like set up legally, right? I mean it went horribly, but no, right New York for sure. They're not allowed to give notes No, they aren't New York are not allowed to give notes on orphans. Yeah

So at the same time Western papies pay Western papers went with the classics what the papies say anti-Catholic and anti-Mexican slurs There's on a bulletin attacked Catholics for selling quote sweet innocent white American babies to squalid half civilized Mexicans of the lowest class What if you couldn't say white in the 1800s? What would that have done to the society if that was not if you could not say the word white? Would they just Would not have been able to function So it's it's a huge scandal people are taking sides even president Rosa the theater Roosevelt then got involved

And you want a hot one in New York wealthy? Wealthy Catholics complained to the president who told the US attorney in Phoenix to help the nuns, okay? A wealthy Irish businessman who now lived in Arizona would front all the money for any legal costs Okay, help them, but no criminal charges were filed just a civil suit. Okay The county probate court certified the white parents as legal guardians in November and the US attorney appealed With the Arizona Supreme Court to return the children. Okay But then the nuns themselves Turned on the Mexican Catholics

During the January 1905 trial. They said the homes were poorly chosen and blamed the French priest father mandin And it's all bullshit. Well, they're I think the nuns are now like yeah I'm gonna be white people right and they just need to sort of say face right probably maybe I don't know I just think it's racism. Oh for sure. It's right now if it's saving face at all. It's just like well They need to put the blame on someone else. I saw a guess, but I think it's mostly just like they're with white people either way It's racist and I think that's what matters The French guy just didn't get Americans love of racism. That's this French guy. I just didn't say I mean I don't know what he did. I don't know know what's happening

You know and our friends people are super relaxed and like are not crazy like this. Have you understand that? But the US Attorney argued Arizona was bound to comply with New York state custody laws and return the children all the whites from Clifton testified with the most insane racist bullshit possible They called their Mexican neighbors prostitutes low-lifes and vermin in court Their only real argument was that they were now families With yeah, oh, yeah, no, yeah, they've got time on but we're we're all close now I play ball with them. I play ball and I put them to bed and stuff like there's a lot going on With all due respect your honor. We have pissed on this child. He is ours

We have marked him as ours. We don't give him any hot sauce. You never would we wouldn't do that to a baby. Yeah Yeah, so they paraded the kids around the Phoenix courtroom and the children became these media darlings Journalists reported everything did every gesture Every cute little saying sometimes the hand is next single Yeah What's she gonna do? They sometimes stole the show in the courtroom and the judges were totally fine with it No, no, no, no, I want to see where this cutie pie is taking this go ahead darling

Oh my god, where is your nose? It's the good ship Well, I think we all know you are guilty of being adorable Okay, don't cut thinker. Well, why don't we all take a recess and I let the kids do a costume change And then when we come back we can hear some of the some of the talents of the other children Uh-huh. Oh my god, they're gonna be such good claims little dollars So it's big news obviously newspapers reported it in a very complicated way. Some newspapers are pro-catholics. Some are pro-prousin They were the cliche of the east coast attacking the uncivilized west sure democratic papers Especially Hearst papers emphasize the violence against the nuns and the priest

And some called it a lynching headlines some of the headlines Children stolen by mob Sisters of charity persecuted armed men aroused them at night invaded their rooms and drove them away Okay Dregs of nation now hold infants Interesting when the the vague times Some papers called some papers talked of bigotry, but they meant that in an anti-catholic way not racist way sure great Because politics are twisted. So the Democratic Party had the allegiance of most Catholics

But was also the most racist party. It sounds like fake news So papers had to walk the line of defending the nuns while condemning the Mexicans Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, but I'll tell you what's great about racism Dave is sometimes it doesn't need to be rooted or founded in anything real Thank you, and if you can gleam that cube properly my boy, you're in the red track The white family's lawyers based their defense on race and they went out of their way to pretend that it was a good Religious town sure they said some of the white families were also Catholic and totally denied any religious division in the town Quote the decent citizens of Clifton and more and see

Catholics stood shoulder to shoulder with Protestants They pushed that narrative. It was all about race and that the babies were better off with whites So that's their legal argument, right? Their legal argument is that it they're just better off with whites Well, it's nice to see whites come together over really hatred of something else. Really is that's where you galvanize them The found a founding attorney to the opposite. He made it about religion and not race the nuns were on board with that Head sister Teresa Vincent insisted that quote the prejudice animating the mob was religious rather than racial Okay, such an incident recalls the stormy days of long ago before

Enlightenment had dispelled the clouds of anti-Catholic hatred. It is scarcely a half century Since a no-nothing mob marched to the Cathedral of New York with the purpose of burning it Oh, she's making it. Yeah, she's going hardcore on the Catholic shit there. Okay. Now They made his decision Okay, dokey the court just as Edward Kent prays. We want to see more from the kids How about dance the one thing we don't need to deliberate is would we like to hear another and we would we would love to your honor? May I ask may I ask the infant who's got my finger? I'd like to see where you take it go ahead. Here we go

Oh I'm gonna sustain this one that felt like it was a little too much about you now a little darling Why don't you go back to your hula-hooping? Would you like to pull my finger judge? Please sit down for the last time. I've told you no my one gag Yeah, and it's getting real old and you're sometimes pulling your own finger which really eliminates a lot of this Pull my finger. Let's not go there. We're better than this. I don't think we are. I don't either Just as Edward Kent prays the parents in the final decision that obviously went to the white Parents not a lot of suspense on this

Quote They assisted in the rescue of these children from the evil into which they had fallen god damn I mean these this was planned. This is Court was a legal decision. We feel that it is for the children's best interest that no change be made in their custody The judge did not mention the mobs, but talked about the Americans who had staged community meetings you mean heroes volunteer Actions do you mean heroes sir? Yeah, okay to remove the children from quote degraded half-breed Indians legal legal opinion Legal opinion the judges ruled for the whites and mob actions because they said they upheld the best interests of the children

And then with white parents the children got better clothes medical care and educations Because the white people weren't paying the Mexican. I know I mean honest to God. It's like you don't need to trace it far It's not hard. Why don't you let them keep the children and raise their wages? I'm afraid I'm completely lost Say it again. You see you pay them more and then they can then they can afford better things for their children Sorry, sorry with the white families have more and we'll be able to provide more right But but they they they hired the Mexican families to work in their in their smelter. Yes, and they have less right? So yeah, if you paid them more Then they could write people pay them white people white people white people pay the Mexican people more and then the Mexican people

Can raise children no no no no no equal I'm afraid I'm completely lost People pay the Mexican people more than the Mexican people can raise children. No no no no equally. Yes equally, okay But the you misspoke you said Mexicans Instead of white people the white people deserve more no Mexican. No, I'm saying I'm not I'm saying labor is labor and all people are equal and that their time is equally valuable So the Mexican people you should pay more and then they'll be able to raise the children with good educations clothing and everything They need so what the white people have that and again, I'm going to point out that the Mexicans are not whites

I feel like you might think that they are but they're not so they can't have that I feel like we're not talking on the same. I feel like you're speaking Spanish or whatever that language they harp on is Rambling on I never really bothered to pay attention any who's will be I should get back um, I'm actually going to go um Beat some horses later. Yeah. No. No, I'm not good Uh, all right Go have yourself. It just seemed like you were looking for an exit like you could have just stopped talking

But you had to leave I live physically need to leave locales Not one for uh letting things just die out So I'm in my car The courts did not care that the nuns wanted Catholic children with Catholic families for the courts race trumped religion The found the founding appeal to the u.s supreme court and in april 1906 the case was heard by the supreme court Which ruled that because the adoptive parents were mexican indian They were unfit by quote motive living habits and education

To have the custody care and education of white children, right? Supreme court united states america. Well, Dave. I mean like we just established through a fun little, um Scene brought to life You know, there's no solution to this I mean unless you drop the nuclear bomb of paying other races is higher wage Yeah, thinkable the clifton and moronic white parents legally adopted the children Some went we're probably raised as such idiots, too Some went to the original woman who had started the entire battle so those women right and who kicked it all off

They got kids But the case hardened the racial tensions in the I wonder why I wonder why that happened father mandin never returned Yeah, no shit. He became a uh long-time priest in brisbee, arizona For irish miners. Oh my god. He didn't move far. I figured he'd go back. He'd be like just like uh, I run the boulangerine now I said don't talk about my trip to america much aside from this picture Sister anna became the leader of the sister of charity in 1917 the kids grew up in clifton In morancy with their white parents and we can assume their mexican neighbors

Would have to sit there and watch them as they grew up. Yeah their entire life Yeah, cool by 1945 none of the orphans lived in clifton anymore. No one knows what happened to them I can't tell you that the little baby who sang Um died from being out in the rain that night. No She got she got an illness right after that and she never recovered So that's a good ending I thought the whites had better medicine than clifton Oh my god, holy god almighty Well at least at least um the cool thing about america is is even though there's injustice

It's that the that our legal system is there to make sure everything's okay And I think I think today that still holds true. I think that you know, we can see that if there's ever a problem Our legal system is here to help us. No, there's stopgaps for sure Yeah, it's that's why we have it. It's to it's to stop bad stuff from happening Do you ever feel like living in america's like being in an arranged marriage and then you found their diary? All right, farewell Farewell night, man. Oh, Jesus, that's insane