The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 377 - The Loomis Fargo Robbery - Live

Episode Date: May 14, 2019

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the Loomis Fargo Robbery of 1997. Recorded live in Durham, NC.SOURCESTOUR DATESREDBUBBLE MERCH 

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you seats up front and we did and man on my word obviously you're listening to the dollop this is a bi-circular American history podcast each week I David Anthony read a story from American history to the guy I know named Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about do you want to say any dates huh you say the one date that everyone wants to hear I want October 20th 1969 David Gantt was born near Charlotte North Carolina David was raised in a classic middle-class lifestyle he got a private religious school education and his family went to Disney World on

vacations okay after high school he joined the army and we shipped out to be in the Gulf War she's not in Disneyland anymore well when he came back David got married to Tammy in 1992 okay fucking American dream right here yeah but it's like two sentences in he worked different jobs got one fueled in airplanes driving a forklift okay and in 1994 he got a job as a vault superintendent as a vault superintendent yeah charge of the vault what vault at Loomis Fargo and company armored cars I just okay Loomis manages cash transportation of huge sums come on I

mean there's a lot okay David was not paid well what Dave I'm also not good at math but I do see the sum and he was not living the life he had been raised in he lived with his wife in a mobile home in Kings Mountain North Carolina it's testing higher than Charlotte yeah it is money was very tight he was sometimes working 75 to 80 hours a week holy shit at $8.15 an hour or as we call it fuck you the American dream so he's never home yeah no money very unhappy yeah he's 29 this is not the life he envisioned and he's driving around so oh he's guarding a vault he runs the vault he runs it was the vault man so he's like the money

bouncer yeah he's you know comes in people people like I have some money he's like wait until two people leave that's the little clicky thing once two people leave you can get in there your shores ain't gonna work either what oh hold on hold on you ladies you come in first what how come they get to go in I know they're what are their names yeah bullshit okay one and two wow okay Kelly Campbell Kevin Campbell Kelly Kelly Campbell was a high school Kevin Campbell Satan whoever laughed back there I know evil the devil is a scared heaven Campbell what he's with me in Dave's room where I've made

hell flames heat Kelly Campbell was a high school dropout okay she got her GED and a job working in a mill all right soon she found herself driving for Loomis Fargo okay Kelly and David got along pretty well and became friends okay David had a crush on her but she was married and had two kids is he not also married yep okay he didn't hide his crush okay now Kelly's marriage wasn't great they were they've been separated multiple times Kelly wanted much more her husband spanky sorry from the little rascals why'd you sign the residual deal like that I didn't know I was just a boy you'd be worth billions spanky I don't

know such an inside I'll fell for it did I sign it yeah they didn't have residuals back then exactly that's what I'm saying her husband spanky landscaped yards and trained coon dogs and this wasn't going well no apparently that wasn't a lot of money although it sounds like it would be yeah for sure the spanky's landscaping company and coon dog training sounds like it would be a real you can do both of them at once you could do both yeah you can do both jobs at the same time sure well if you train the coon dogs to mulch that's right boom so Kelly dreamed about owning a house in the country with a swimming pool

and enough money that she didn't have to rely on a man I think we all dream that eventually she left Loomis for other work Kelly had been friends with Steve Chambers on and off for years Steve Chambers that's right okay they'd gone to East Gaston high school together okay are we are we mad at East Gaston high school maybe we don't cheer for things anymore here tonight it seems like you get hurt when you do I like that shut up oh I'm from there I just want to let people know I'm from there don't care it's dumb here's better where I'm from is number one yeah that's thank you sir

Steve was tough and very sure himself a fast talker he was very large six one and 220 pounds okay he was married to Michelle okay she had brought two kids into the marriage Steve also had a mobile home double-wide oh one for each kid that's right he had that on eight acres with a stream in the back nicely furnished you like to entertain and have barbecues out there I get one night late in 1996 Kelly and her family found themselves at Steve's place okay Steve and Kelly were playing UNO well I think it's about to get wild strip UNO Steve liked to tell stories and Kelly had heard his stories about

getting refunds on fake tax returns operating a loan shark business and even killing people stories yeah story regular UNO fat chewing just your regular round of UNO tails from your past murder murder tax things murder Steve then said they should rob Loomis I felt like this might be coming why just because he's guards the vault no that's David oh wait what does Steve do I couldn't really figure it out okay really not much sad job and Kelly no longer works for Loomis yes so Kelly is now but this is where David at Allied security okay moved up okay okay so they have jokingly kept talking about robbing Loomis

imagine imagine if we did come up with a plan of how they would pull it off now this was apparently super common all the people that worked at Loomis would talk about robbing Loomis Loomis was just a thing everybody everywhere was like we should rob Loomis like everybody all over the place like what about robbing Loomis we should do that even the cops are like we should rob Loomis I agree we should totally rob Loomis yeah what Kelly did not know was that Steve had been writing bad checks all over town and was in the hole for $17,000 okay she thought he was joking about robbing Loomis but over the next few months he

kept bringing it up you remember how funny that was the other night when we were talking about robbing Loomis oh man oh imagine we should rob Loomis look we're kidding yeah yeah we're having a laugh I'm not serious yeah unless you're serious then I really think we should just go you know rob Loomis stop laughing see yeah yeah yeah but for real huh uno at one point Steve told Kelly they should throw fake grenades into the trucks to scare the drivers off well I think it would probably scare the driver god or blow their ears out or just kill them wait fake grenades yeah I mean what

did the water balloon throw a fake grenade in is that just when you take like a pair of socks and you're just like no there's like there's like grenades that have been had the all the guts sure no yeah that's of course no of course there's a guy that's the technical yeah no the guy who takes the guts out bring your grenades down to gut removal come on down to gutters we make your grenade not functional but still have the appearance of a real weapon so Kelly kept telling Steve it wouldn't work and it was too dangerous but he chipped away and he chipped away and she started thinking about all the money

she could get hmm she was currently the night shift manager at allied security not exactly living the dream and Kelly was depressed and she started smoking a lot of pot well and then she started taking prozac she really wanted out of her marriage all of this convinced her yeah maybe she should do it okay so early September 1997 Kelly called David he still had a crush on her she knew it oh boy so Kelly started talking about robbing Loomis it wasn't the first time because they joked a lot about Robin Loomis oh here we go your classic bit alright I'll bite we should David said quote I didn't take her seriously when

we worked together we joke about it all the time it's one of the biggest jokes at the place what she told me just think about it but that is got to be troubling if you're like the CEO of Loomis hey guys that's not company policy oh we all do it we're all mocking it I mean it would just be so funny and so much money free speech settle down David well congratulations you're hired to be one of Loomis's new security guards the first thing we want to let you know is you'll constantly joke about robbing us and that's the Loomis family promise keeps it light around here so David's David was now a supervisor but

still only making 18 15 8 15 an hour so they bumped them up well you get 50 cents more for all that headache no no no more money oh 8 15 he's still making the same amount they just yeah you get a different name thing yeah we're gonna bump you up give you a little bit more responsibility great you'll be a supervisor more hours yeah more hours all right congratulations okay so I mean I already do 80 a week so that's nuts yeah what's the bump and pay you can joke around a little bit more about robbing the place I think I might yeah I think I definitely shall we give you an extra 15 minutes of joking around about robin

Loomis yeah a day imagine so congratulations supervisor David yeah yeah you're our favorite employee now David thought about it quote I was on hop unhappy with my life I want to make a drastic change well that's a way to do it I mean that certainly shakes it up and I went for it a lot of people out there had it worse than me but I couldn't understand why I hadn't been more successful I want to be more like my mom and dad were Bonnie and Clyde no middle class life yeah but well how do you get there I think I don't know I mean I guess sure I'm totally on this guy I'm not against this guy I'm pro robbing Loomis

okay 100% if you make 815 an hour have a yeah he said I felt if I didn't do something I was going to snap so he's also it's also like a stress reliever yeah I it is kind of it I mean it's adult Disneyland really so went back and forth he flip-flopped on the idea three or four times didn't think his wife Tammy would go for it no they can be such sticklers like that yeah my wife's always like don't murder the neighbor yeah you know they're just so against crime it's just like a classic yeah you guys always argue about how you're gonna murder those people yeah the you know his marriage wasn't great but he was sure

he wanted to steal the money and run off he wasn't sure he wanted to steal the money run off and leave her okay he can't tell her so he does it he has to bail well I mean he could stash it I think he really wants out of the marriage and he's just bailing it with this as well remember he does have a crush on Kelly yeah I'm aware of the crush on Kelly nobody nobody knows he has a crush on Kelly more than me okay very defensive so a few days later Kelly called again and David was like look if I do it I'll need help moving the money a new ID because I'm gonna leave the country okay but he's still not sold he's

still hamming and hawing classic he's a waffler yeah yeah in September David was looking over a credit card bill that's a bad headspace to get yourself into yeah it's never a good one when you're waffling on a Loomis robbery don't look at your credit card no fuck this I'm doing it for sure he did some math and realized if they paid off the minimum monthly payment each month it would take 30 years to pay off the credit card at that moment he was completely in on the robbery yeah yeah yeah yeah credit card companies yeah Steve would plan it all okay well he's the more criminally guy right sure yeah for protection David

and Steve never met or talked now that's either genius or really dumb it's what the best way to plan a high stakes robbery is to play a game of telephone so it is really dumb okay okay so how's the plan coming good we can't wait to do it the night of and you'll figure it out from there awesome what's Steve like is he tall he's tall isn't he oh he's super tall and he loves to murder but enough about Steve so David didn't even know Steve's name so what he's just dealing with like good it's a good plan yeah so that guy says he can do it I think when you're going up to a robbery you are gonna want to know a little more

information so that guy thinks it's going well okay cool that guy okay you swear to God there's a guy right okay awesome David also had a little bit of advice a little bit of knowledge to dispense because he recently read a book about the FBI but it's happening to your disposition just saying we all pick up things so he read a book about the FBI is like I know that's right because of that he knew that if they sat on the money for two years they the FBI pretty much just forget about it and then they could just do whatever did he read FBI book FBI the book yep FBI the book FBI the book a John Grisham thriller we just

got to sit on it for two years then the FBI completely forgets about it yeah I saw a documentary on it they have a little device that they put in front of people's eyes and once it shoots a light they completely forget everything the FBI there maybe it was the MIB either way two years and we're gold so Steve also was like once we get the money we can't spend it so that's a fine plan we're gonna hold on to it for a while well that's comforting for David to to know that this nameless figure also concurs yes yeah so they planned the robbery for Saturday October 4th 1997 okay David would plan was David was

staying the vault after a shift just kicking it is that weird I think people often some people spent I'm gonna want to take a nap here make a day of it you don't know I'm getting the ball see you guys tomorrow okay good night Dave yeah Dave says he lives in the vault now too so that's cool it's comfy on these oh big blocks of money yeah see you tomorrow see Dave he's a good guy so there's plans to stay in the vault I don't know what happens over there yeah well why wouldn't you just have to guy like a buddy system at a place where all the money is okay like when I worked at a bank if you went in the vault you have

to go in with somebody else you can go in there alone what the buddy system yeah it was a buddy system they let you in a bank vault fuck yeah not a good yeah they did I also figured out a way to steal I never did it but I knew how you betcha uh I might have taken some what David would you rob the bank I didn't rob a lot what you partially robbed a bank no wonder you like this story like oh yeah this guy I get this guy yeah I understand this headspace David so David would then pack up the money and and then bring it out he the plan was that he would take 50k and fly to Mexico this plant seems really straightforward and then that's

the legal amount you can take into Mexico uh-huh so he's keeping keeping above the law yeah no he's definitely being really aware and then if he needed more money they would just send him more money who will Steven Kelly wait so he's taking $50,000 out what now he's taking tons of money so he's taking a shitload of money he's taking 50 that of that is gonna take a 50 grand and go to Mexico so he's taking millions of dollars and he's gonna leave them on the honor system with millions and whenever he's in Mexico and he's like hey look yeah I need I need like another 50 grand yeah on the honor system they'll be like of

course that's right here you go also wait to spend it for two years you know how the FBI works yeah right and and but he but you know Kelly's kind of to him and he's into her and also the other guy's name he doesn't know will help out right so it's a good plan yeah no for sure feels like it's time to do it it's definitely time to target a date yeah yeah and Steve's in charge of the money the guy whose name he doesn't know now David and Kelly would start a meeting in a field behind a shooting range to work out the finishing touches sure just where you would go absolutely Kelly made it seem like she was

falling for David at the end of one of the sessions they kissed so romantic to do it out back near a shooting range while you're talking about taking money Kelly said after David was set up in Mexico she would bring the kids and join him quote Steve told me to tell David whatever was necessary to keep him happy Jesus how romantic is that it's actually not at all romantic if you listen closely to what you said it's well this is how it's arguably horrifying this is how a lot of marriages begin I don't think any have are you married case closed you went wrong so that's what I'm not doing right that's right that's

right yeah they've never had a nameless shadow figure encouraging me to commit crime yeah weird yeah there you go I hope she's out there somewhere misleading me in a field I can see it now so Steve also brought in a couple of the guys to help him move the money sure yeah what you need yeah for sure more hands one was his cousin Scott and then another guy named Eric Payne he offered them both a hundred K okay so just to be clear David gets fifty thousand dollars and the relatives of the nameless figure are doubling that but that's their total haul David's gonna get a lot more because David's gonna get

a lot more when he's trapped in Mexico and he needs the nameless figure to Western Union him some yeah for sure no it works no so these two guys are in October 4th David kissed his wife goodbye as she slept and drove to work as he drove the song take the money and run came on the radio sign you know you think that's a sign oh that's a sign oh it's a sign this is so me oh this may as well be called the David Gantt song whoo all day in the bank come on take the money and run David what are you humming oh nothing just a band on the run wings take the money and run my name boom boom boom boom it's a girl me no I'm not

thinking about money but I am because I work here I'm not think I'm not crazy I'm not sleeping in the vault I'll tell you that much no sir not me Mexico never been never will be not I I just asked you how you were doing listen to the monitor okay you should go to bed I'm at work right now and I hear you oh god you should get out of here he should roll it is late you're done yeah so David waited till the end of the day and then sent home an employee he was training you should get out of here you should think your training's pretty much done I told you everything we'd like to leave early and never talk about the day

you just had yeah yeah so understand no matter when anyone asks you about the previous day you don't remember anything that's how we do it here you got that well your head's shaking a lot about robbing this place what no it's a joke oh my god that guy said that was part of the training they said that I should tell my supervisor did you just like move your bowels I got I got really scared because I really need this job I need the 12 12 cents an hour that's pretty good money I don't know what you get for training well you should get out of here and I'll stay what are you gonna do not anything weird nope not me that's

fair just might sleep in it that's it okay yeah sleep great in there I got baby which actually they don't sleep great but I sleep great yeah okay so then David disabled two security cameras smart as he was doing it he said there was a voice in his head saying don't do it you're an idiot yeah but he did it but yeah well the the radio you've got the song you've got their voices in your head but then you've got the tune stuck in your head the money and run and then don't do you're an idiot comes from where huh don't do it you're an idiot boy the dumb the whatever you call that negative voice inside your head that points out

the realities con conscious yeah yeah your con shell or whatever yeah yeah it's up there stepping on the music as per usual trying to get in the way of a kismet two for Tuesday the nerve of that mind thing you said yeah Kelly parked her pickup truck across the street in a lot Dave and Steve drove up in a monster and parked beside her and then they waited David was supposed to be there at 7 p.m. 20 minutes later he had not arrived and his plan is to what just take arm loads of it like he's on supermarket sweep no no so in the building David was trying to put all the cash in a Loomis van it was very heavy

all together he moved 2,748 pounds of cash holy shit that's a weird way to look at an amount of money but yeah that sounds like a lot of pounds of cash older baby here when you're weighing like Jeff Bezos goes in every morning 150 million tons mr. Bezos man bring me a child to suck the blood out of here you are mr. Bezos I wish I wish that was kind of a joke but they're doing that yeah his uniform was soaked with sweat as he moved the money Kelly kept beeping him on his phone well that's fun too yeah oh good she's blowing me up he finally finished at 7 45 p.m. grab the tapes from the security cameras except for the third tape from the third

camera which we've only heard about two cameras he didn't know about the third one right so he drove the Loomis van to the gate now Dave I think that's a problem no it's fine okay because to me I say oh fuck that's all good okay all good okay he drove the Loomis van to the gate the other three watched as he struggled to open it so they're just like man he's really struggling over there I mean I'd go help him but you know the song leave him at the gates on so I have so after a while Steve ordered his cousin to go help him so his cousin went went but kept his face hidden from David as he helped him open

the gate hey buddy hey you need help with the gate well don't know I'm regular to talk you need to help with the gate yeah yeah you have a good yeah close your eyes what's what I hope you with the gate I'm not gonna close looking at me motherfucker are you on my team I'm on your team of course I am it can't see me with nameless shadow figures now let close your eyes and I'll help you with the gate I look right I turn to stone together the two men got the gate open and they drove the van to the designated parking lot where they were going to transfer the money to another van rented by budget the irony I think I'd have a good laugh

somewhere right yeah for sure David gave Steve a key ring so the keys to the van because he locked the doors okay so are they meeting now they're in a parking lot so yeah this is the first time they've yeah it's gonna be fun butterflies the whole nine you are so much taller than I thought you are smaller than I would have imagined yeah I'm like a beanpole they say little tiny beanpole no you are a big Steve I'm huge and I met my name is Steve and I'm big yeah all right well you take that 50,000 hi and then hi hey put it out there again well we should get going I mean the thing is that this is still a

crime in motion so you know what I mean hi buddy hey pal it's just so weird it is weird after all this time yeah no I would say I would say it put a voice to your face but I never heard your voice that's hilarious you don't even have thought of saying that for sure we should get all the money into my van and then you got to go to Mexico because that's see look at you you're already ready to go like I like yeah by the way 50,000 you're gonna get live like a king down there forever and if you need any more yeah yeah because we're gonna split it after two years of course that's when the FBI has amnesia about

money we talked about this yep we should we should have talked more often because we're yeah I don't think so no I think this is the end we are getting along great yeah it's great to meet you but this has to stop hi all right well good to meet here's the key ring oh right the money here I am I like that guy I'm sorry right yeah I haven't gone anywhere just super weird to say that out loud super fan yeah super fan yeah again time it's a thing yep yeah I have known three Steve's okay I great that's awesome you're you're that's awesome for a little bit but you're like top Steve oh that's amazing well I'll tell you I don't know a better

David than you I really gonna call you TS why top Steve you know we're not to have contact for a long time after this yeah I mean yeah it's vague very specific so then David got in a car with Kelly okay she drove him to the airport she must have been really broken up yep the entire drive they talked about their future life together yeah she's gonna take the kids to Mexico that's right yeah it's gonna be great at the same time they talked about that Kelly thought about how great it would be for him to fly as far away from her as possible so she's she's playing two sides yeah oh yeah now we had the 50k

right yeah as planned but he pretty soon realized he didn't know how to carry it through the airport well but how are you gonna start I mean when are you you start thinking about that on the drive that's not something that comes into your head weeks and weeks before something like this so he took what he could shove into his boots sure no okay so yeah so okay whatever okay so you're going from 50 grand to maybe 4,000 of boot money the 25k 25k in boots yeah we're back in business the three guys start to move the money into the van but then Steve dropped the key ring which was a problem has one job because

there were 200 keys on it oh shit what the fuck kind of escape room situation as David left him in all right now remember it's this key don't drop up cuz then there's a thousand keys what fucking you oh shit we are so fucked shit we got to try everyone now I'm nervous we're trying them wrong I tried 30 wrong okay we're gonna need to kill David for the $25,000 we're gonna cut his legs off and take his boots it's a plan B it's not a great one but it is one so like you said he didn't know which one would open the door the so in his parking lot with millions of dollars in a van in the dark Steve tried

each key one at a time oh god the tried them on the back door and then on the side door at one point they tried to break the van's windows but they were bulletproof I mean you are so perfectly screwed but after about 10 minutes Steve found the right key wow that's pretty fast they open it up and the three guys couldn't believe all the money they were looking at 17 million dollars oh man that is adorably wrong both Steve's cousin and Eric had families and thought the same thing when they saw all the money I can leave them and get better ones no they both thought they've made the worst mistake of their lives oh shit

that's not a celebratory moment so in the other van they had three 55 gallon barrels they couldn't fit all the money in so they left behind 3.3 million and then they ditched the Loomis van right next to where Eric worked now wait I know a lot I know a really really good lot oh you made a parking lot because otherwise I was like no you don't it's yeah it's really good I can see it every day all the time it's good lot well I'm sold let's do this yep I'll keep an eye on it all the time yeah smart for sure so they leave the van there and then they drove the money to Steve's double mobile home in Lincoln County fuck yeah fuck

yeah Steve's wife Michelle was there waiting for him with a calculator and rubber bands I'm ready baby let's do this let's do this right they started organizing I only got non-rubber bands is that too many they started organizing the money and then Kelly called turns out Columbia Airport had no flights to Mexico wait shut up all right I will marginally give a pass for not knowing how to stuff $50,000 into yourself to get on a plane but they didn't book a flight they didn't even check they didn't they they were just like go to an airport it'll fly wherever I want and one-way ticket to Mexico my good man do

what shit so then they're like well where do you have oh Finland that could be nice I assume it wasn't an international airport it was I assume it was just like well you can go to Nashville oh that sounds nice I think I'll be able to be anonymous there so Steve told Kelly to put David on a bus to Atlanta because he could fly from there and she should drive back to the double-wide trailer so that's what they did wow I mean Dave at any point is David like I'm getting totally screwed why would you think that just cuz he's getting totally screwed you don't know that there's still a plan in place he gets a third of the money

after two years is the two years up no no okay so it's not totally screwed is right no no I should wow you are a negative Nancy I really am I'm a van half full kind of guy so this was all sinking in to Steve's cousin and Eric who are now completely freaking out and just pacing around the house while they did that Michelle was thrilled she kept laughing and saying over and over quote look at all this money I love money I'm rich I mean that's such a rare characteristic I love money I'm one of those rare people who just loves money Steve's cousin was so freaked out that he just left he doesn't know how to

celebrate the next morning Loomis Fargo employees shut up for work and quickly called the cops I'm what grounds they could not get into the vault which was locked well that's a good thing yeah David was pretty quickly the most obvious suspect really because he's gone well not only was he the last guy there but he had not showed up for work in the morning and his wife had called the police to report him missing and his truck was in the parking lot and there's that security and his wedding ring was in the truck you know it's almost like he's a plot to law and order SVU like it's just so well

the ring here indicates it's what who does it in that order the perfect crime I mean no no no the perfect culprit they will never catch me we think he's at Atlanta oh shit look for a guy who's hobbling in boots money what money oh my fucking feet I don't have money not oh I walk like a regular person good day officer oh shit I'll fuck oh shit shit never seen a cowboy run yes I have seen many cowboys you walked a foot huh so you walked a foot my cash is barking what my dogs are barking my feet hurt not from money asshole I have not said a word I've not either but can I just sit here and eat sorry I approached you yeah

thank you sorry I got so emotional enjoy your waffles appreciate it now all of these suspicions and hints were confirmed when they looked at the tape and saw the third camera and watch David do a little dance after he finished loading the van and that's how we know for sure he didn't know about the third camera at the dance woo see moonwalking so meanwhile he's like hit Atlanta meanwhile he's like all right at the airport in Atlanta well at Steve's house Kelly Dave and Michelle watch the news who are calling it the heist almost 14 million was sitting in a shed behind Steve's home in blue barrels which he had then

covered with dog food just my barrel is a dog food now the suspicions about that man with a lot of dog how you never seen a man with 165 gallons of dog food it's just that we have yet to see a dog sir they're coming so the plan already the plan is for a dogpocalypse I'm guessing I put money down on 32 puppies and they will be here soon and let me tell you something hungry some hungry dogs well I mean we've opened all of them and they all have dog food and that's right dog food nothing else nothing from what we could see nothing but dog food yeah barrels yeah 55 gallon yeah oh no that's right with dog food yeah all right

I got it from the book dog food house sure sure or they sell book dog mm-hmm everything's in bulk even the dogs sorry that's where I got the dog that's where getting the puppies from I ordered 37 pounds of puppies I didn't know work like that but that's how Bezos counts money so no flaw there that's right consistency thank you I like talking to you well it doesn't feel like you're being inauthentic about things yeah very specific as well chalk that up to realism inside the money sorry inside the money that was wrong the fibers were getting a plan together inside the inside the mobile home Steve looked

at Kelly Michelle and said quote we made history I like Steve's attitude well it's really calm they had it was the second biggest heist in US history wow overall they had taken 17,000 $44,000 $17,000,000 $44,000 what was the heist before that $22,000 you should have seen it all over the countries posters went up showing a wanted picture of a skinny red-haired guy named David Gantt who is at the Atlanta Airport Sabaro like Mexico it took them two days to find the van with the three million in it along with the security gate tapes David had taken so even without the third camera

not he didn't even like throw him in a river I was all right I'll just leave these in the van too perfect the FBI quickly realized David had to have had help well it's within the two years so they're still interested they checked his cell phone records which showed someone kept beeping him during the robbery one four three one four three some people know oh no what is that I love you they could not figure out what it meant they could the whole FBI is trying to figure it out and then in Asia remember he'd read an article in the Charlotte Observer about beeper codes beeper coons codes beeper codes one four

three meant I love you oh my god I has one letter love has four you has three well so does I fuck you a lot of words have four letters it's totally worth it right wow so the whole time she's just going I love you yeah she's working them yeah you fucking romantic no guys having a fucking love story happen and you're like it kind of makes you miss the time of beepers though where you just that's all you could do just so simple you know I come to you what is that what the fuck Larry what does that mean that she's screwing you over so the FBI starts conducting interviews over a hundred people people who know David

they're just talking to everybody they're all pretty shocked his wife had no idea completely amazed and she said he had a dentist appointment coming up it's important to know for sure so he might be coming back yeah I think well well it doesn't look like I do it's very important it's the second one it got the first time he had a root canal now he's getting a crown so he has to go back so I don't know why you think he would rob a place when he had he's in the middle of a procedure even if he did rob it he will be back for the second one he said I know him he hates the way it feels I know it so okay so what would

you guys come back with well boss a lot of stuff he's got a dentist appointment coming up pretty soon we're gonna stick it out yeah so until then I think we lay pretty low our work here is done until you know we should do we should rob Loomis that's not a bad idea just kidding around I'm kidding too but we should I know FBI it would be a lot of money yeah exactly a joke it yeah oh boy imagine did you imagine that I imagine that huh us doing that robin at that day a week from Friday no do it at night oh yeah you totally do it tonight there's like one guy one guy there from when I understand that's right roll

there you go roll in roll out pretty fucking straightforward if you ask me nothing complicated about it's not brain surgery don't take the 20s 10s or ones just grab the big bills exactly I'm joshing with you totally jogging around totally jog around but I tell you what do it right we do it right we do it right we wear gloves the whole thing okay yeah we do it right that's right yeah I'm hearing voices in my head I hear them all the time it's they just say Gary Gary Gary no no no no even while you're here and that's no way the name that they're saying in your head that is a Welsh name for sure night at the round

table the alternate whatever that means I guess that's where they put the baby nights or something on October 7th agents interviewed Kelly at her home the agents are told by Loomis employees that David and Kelly had dated Kelly said she had done drugs with David but did not know anything about stolen money so Kelly when you're talking to the government officials oh we didn't do anything like nefarious like sleep together we just did math I'm aware of what crimes are I didn't steal money I just shot heroin with him yeah and I deal it whatever and she refused to take a lie detector test so she's fine yeah

a few days probably no further questions for her would be my guess a few days after the robbery Michelle went to Nations Bank and deposited $5,000 Steve did the same at another bank all went fine a week later later Michelle came back with a briefcase she showed it to the teller inside was $200,000 so tiny incremental raising of the deposits it's a smart move you go from five grand and they take that I'm gonna take it in a briefcase of you know around a quarter of a million dollars that'll be my follow-up deposit when she showed when she showed her the money Michelle asked what the cash deposit limit was before

she had to do paperwork is that the right it feels like the bizarro robbing of a bank well you have to if you deposit $10,000 you have to fill out a report for the IRS but what about 200,000 that would be yes oh you do still you do oh interesting but not a guess that because it's so much more yeah right so she told the teller she asked what the cash deposit limit was and then she told the teller the cash she had was not drug money boy this is just not who taught these people how to lie you wait to be asked drug money what no I play the ponies now this was obviously a weird conversation especially because some of

the money was still wrapped in Loomis Fargo wrappers you know the more I think about it the more I think spanky should have been in charge feels like a little rascals angle would have worked a little better for this caper probably less plot holes so the teller filled out a suspicious activity report really on what grounds it's not drug money oh whoops I forgot to unwrap a bunch of them hmm but the FBI would not look at it for months they better hurry their deadlines coming up you know months to waste you got two years before you forget about it poof now as members Steve was adamant that

no one's been any money to draw attention sure right just go take 200 grand in a briefcase that's right subtly so three weeks after the robbery he bought a 6,000 square foot house for six 635 thousand dollars in a gated community sure sure sure so shh I'm moving it was seven times bigger than his double wide it had stairs chandeliers a garage and a security system sure there was a country club down the street sure sure sure sure he tipped the movers big but didn't say with what he did for a living but he hinted he had a good job at the mill and told them he'd won big in Vegas Vegas winnings we've all heard

about those yep when Michelle's mother saw the house Steve told her he and Michelle had been gambling and won enough for a down payment and her mom said quote we're not the type that asks questions sorry we're not the type that questions everything people tell us yeah I mean that's pretty much enough right yeah yeah we went to Vegas oh well congratulations what's for supper they started decorating the house though they spent tens of thousands on things like a cigar store Indian how is that on the top of anyone's wish list oh you know we need to get a velvet painting of Elvis well you mean of Elvis a bulldog

dressed like George Patton well I mean and you laugh but once you see it in the dining room oh they bought paintings antiques and statues mauve wallpaper stocked the wine cellar and put a bust of Caesar in the dining room well the truth is their stories could not be closer a Caesar he's my hero they bought twenty thousand dollars with the cigars and put them in a humidor the curving staircase had a faux tiger fur on it Dave is it safe to call them new money will we hit any stereotypes of new money they bought a BMW Roadster they made cash payments on a few other cars a neighbor tried to get

to know them but Steve was abrupt where you're from fuck you where you're from oh we're local I'm an ex-football player a panther no one of the northern teams you know the northern teams one of the northern teams I'm a robot a team from north it's a game of thrones I am quarterback of north another neighbor said anytime Steve wanted to have his kids over to play with their kids they'd be happy to have him okay and Steve said quote no I'm waiting for a little more but there's not coming is it no that's all he said was no no no they're north no they come from north too we are all north what were the

neighbors said oh just a regular fat chew you know having some fun and if they ask you anything just say north a bunch they installed three tanning beds and eight what the fuck who needs what are you doing I look good who want but three there's two of them yeah but sometimes one for the dog painting sometimes uncle Fred comes by uncle Fred and you are like well you know what it'd be rude to just have him tan we'll all tan together we'll make a day of it I like how you think that that they didn't it just need one I mean we're in a tanning bed for like two minutes well are you coming back at me with the

opposite argument right now you were like why did they get three instead of two one okay you're weird you have a tanning bed you like to tan whatever go do it three what are you out of your mind who is out of your mind well threes fucking bananas that's my point I feel like we agreed the whole time on Sunday Steve would drink paps blue ribbon that he stockpiled in the wine cellar and watch this this you finally fucking cheered it something and that was it shitty beer in his wine cellar in his wine cellar yeah he's crushing

PBRs in his wine that's right like a fucking boss anyway watch man that was a really good year no Steve you watch stock car races with his buddies there was a nightclub that Steve had been thrown out of once after he and Michelle got into a fight because Michelle was dirty dancing so Steve went and tried to buy the nightclub but the owner refused to sell by the way nobody Michelle in the corner I would pay so much money to watch that conversation just to see that moment can I come in yeah all right can I buy it no all right Michelle started shopping at an upscale boutique in the Lincolnton and talking

a lot to the staff she said her husband owned casinos in Atlantic City and laundromats in Texas one day what is she's just like a mad lib I don't know things I don't know what buildings are oh Texas but I know what to our casinos and laundromats oh they call laundromats the new oil in Texas that's a lot of people are making money he's rich he's rich sometimes people drop quarters on the ground it also is shocking that they've gotten this far like they are setting up a crazy life for themselves and it's working well it's also deserved that's true they have earned this I mean he figured out the key yep

one day Michelle arrived at the boutique in a good mood in a tight t-shirt to show off her new breasts she said Steve had bought them as a gift for her 25th birthday wow 25 Jesus Christ this is quite this is my 20s were not this exciting yeah now and I might that's a real yeah you saw this morning now see Michelle we're drawing a little bit of attention to themselves because they're combined salaries were $42,000 you mean you can't get a fully furnished mansion wine cellar or even tanning bed company with that money even that much beer right and no you can get that much PBR for that for a third of that

meanwhile Kelly was having a hard time PBR actually gives you money when you buy it thank you so much is your PBR at $10 there you go all right $10 so I owe you 20 there you go all right Kelly wanted out of her marriage she started smoking tons of pot she'd gained 30 pounds in a couple of months okay not sure what's happening up in those seats some guy just upset his girlfriend yeah yeah yeah she's like what so then Kelly and her two children sir that's not an invitation to shout Kelly and her two children then moved out from Spanky Spanky's out and they moved in with Steve and Michelle okay someone told the FBI about Steve's

move any other spanky updates was he no no I'm sure he took it very well okay have a good time bye bye I'll be playing with the slingshot I could knock a bird out nothing nothing about Spanky just vanished sorry hi boy I wonder when Spanky's gonna catch a break well I guess I'll just go drink myself to sleep again Spanky Spanky the boy who was a man this is all I got some heroin too awesome I'm back oh no I'm locked out of my place no Spanky when you're gonna catch a break Spanky Spanky the boy who was a man absolutely I fucking hate Spanky why what do you gotta get so spanky all I

want to do is have fun and put drugs in my veins to forget about my past when they made me do stunts they shouldn't have all right kill the lights so then someone told the FBI about Steve's move from a mobile home to a mansion so Steve was on their radar yeah then a week later someone snitched on Eric and said he had quit his job at a printing company was spending money and he was spending money he had bought a new Harley a Chevy Tahoe a big-screen TV a computer and a new trailer on his daughter's seventh birthday a huge white stretched limo showed up and took her and her friends to an expensive steak

house Jesus Christ so the idea but it's impossible like if Steve was like be careful with the money we don't want to throw up any flags and then you see what he did you're like I can get some limo yeah yeah this dude's got four tanning beds while all this was going on David was in Mexico okay enjoying his life in Cozumel oh boy he had a fake ID and was now known as Mike McKinney what that's what he went with yep he lived in luxury hotels he toured the Mayan ruins parasailed power skied scuba dived flew in an ultra-line light jet plane sorry ultra-light plane and went deep sea fishing he learned out of parachute quote

the things I wanted to do but never had the time or the money well I mean he has $25,000 that's right and he's living like Brewster's millions he became friends with a local waiter named Aldo Aldo helped him find a beach apartment he had a favorite restaurant Zendunga which he which had a mariachi band and a view of the Caribbean or no be the Gulf I don't know why it says Caribbean David would stay up that's quite a view yeah David would stay up all night drinking beer drinking coffee and beer and watching the sunrise coffee and beer yeah it's stay up on coffee drink beer it's weird cool coffee pumps you up yeah it's

weird bear makes you happy sure yeah maybe take a nap quote October was a blast wait a minute this is just one month right yep so he is living like Brewster's millions he is like so he's gonna be calling for maybe another chunk yeah yeah I think so yeah yeah because in November he started to run out of money right okay so he's looking for his other boot is that other boot and he started eating home-cooked pasta and grilled cheese sandwiches so he literally that I mean I'm not expecting that this man knows how to plan obviously but within one month he's eating like a college student in his dorm he's got a

hot pot got 17 million dollars out of a bank fault that's right and within 30 days the man is on a pasta diet that's right proceed he would talk to Kelly every week on the phone you got to stop talking because we're recording yes sir please I think how do you say it shut the fuck up okay so David would tell Kelly he want some cash this just right back one four three okay I don't need it I love you so much one four three you back so she would tell Steve Steve was getting annoyed then Steve threw a Halloween party at his house there he told who wants pasta you threw a Halloween party his house and he told

Kelly he was thinking about killing David boo this wasn't the first time he brought it up but this was the first time Kelly agreed quote quote every time my conscious would start bothering me I'd smoke another joint and forget about it now Dave I've smoked a lot that was a Bob Marley song no no no no no that's Peter Tosh that's a Peter Tosh song oh no really yes he's yes but I there's no a joint does not sign like I just don't think it's silence is murderous morals we should try a better pot oh buddy believe me I am I'm eating it I'm snorting the shit love it the FBI did not I still did not have the whole

picture okay they had David and Kelly connected and Steve and Eric with all the cash but they couldn't put the four together and they didn't know where David was and Steve kept putting money in the bank and in safe deposit boxes in early November Steve asked an ex-marine named Mike McKinney to come to North Carolina from Illinois right but the guy what's happening right now this was the same Mike McKinney whose ID David was using in Mexico Steve paid McKinney $50,000 for the ID okay he told McKinney he wanted him to carry money to Mexico to give to a friend who was on the run after a drug

deal went bad McKinney agreed but when McKinney got to North Carolina Steve said he actually needed him to kill David oh I'm sorry what did I text you you said auto correct am I right I meant kill not give $50,000 right here can you carry money to my friend yeah and it what it's supposed to say is can you kill my friend but auto correct what does it say in the middle how would that be auto correct I don't know I don't even know what I said carry money to Mexico to give to my friend I think cuz one time I tried to write that but I meant to write kill so my phone always just changes it to that it has this weird

memory thing I don't even know how it works and after a drug deal went bad yeah yeah well now that you're here I mean what do you say huh you mean you came all this way that'd be crazy to just send you home for nothing oh that would suck when that could be the worst maybe just kill him well maybe you kill you no no no I live no look at me I'm tan as fuck dude I'm living my life I got a tanning bed for each appendage you know I'm saying bro I got a torso one and then I got arm and leg ones I'm in an iron maiden of sunbedding so Steve says will you kill him and he offers 250 thousand dollars half up front yeah I

trust this guy for sure McKinney said quote I said yeah sure he must have been smoking weed I don't know if I'll murder you okay for sure whatever you did so the plan was to take David money and keep him happy until McKinney could figure out how to kill him so in the middle of November McKinney went to Cancun with ten thousand dollars but he really didn't want to kill anyone so instead of finding David he spent the money partying enjoying women drinking so wait and hanging out on the beach so wait wait he sends basically a David to go kill David just sends another guy down there with half the money is like boy

you know what I kind of like it down here I could see the Caribbean yeah but he spent so he gives him ten thousand to give to David and then he just spends it all and then he goes back to then he flies back to Steve and he's like I couldn't find him couldn't find him okay right so Steve sends him back sends him back day he sends with what another ten eight eight thousand five hundred so the trust is diminishing this time he gave McKinney David's hotel address okay McKinney showed up and walked in and threw eight thousand five hundred dollars on the bed David was like that's not enough yeah and McKinney said that's all they

gave him and at that point David realized the problem with his plan and then he might not be getting his money yeah I for when I'm shocked so it turns out there was not a lot of trust with criminals but McKinney went back to Steve and said he didn't have the chance to kill David and early December Steve and Michelle threw their daughter a birthday party Michelle's stepfather came he was a truck driver didn't have much money and while he and Steve were playing pool quote he asked me if I'd mind holding some money for him money you'll turn money will turn your head I don't care who you are when he

said I'll give you twenty thousand a whole one million I said sure then Kelly bought a thirty thousand dollar minivan with cash and registered it to one of Steve's Steve's aliases now the FBI had another connection to money mm-hmm an agent tailed Michelle and saw her deposit eight thousand dollars at a bank the money was still on Loomis rappers and what are you doing and initialed by an employee who had stopped working there after the heist like so the FBI I mean they're sloppy and then there's this fucking idiots but this is like you're like let's get caught let's really try to get caught should we take the rappers

off that say I stole this no keep them on they'll think it's weird if it's unwrapped so the FBI now had Steve connected to the Loomis heist cash McKinney went back to Mexico David thought he was coming to help him move to Mexico City for whatever reason David came clean he told McKinney that they had stolen 17 million from Loomis Fargo and McKinney was thinking quote they aren't paying me enough boy there is not a regular human in this story huh what that's crazy I'm getting ripped off he's still planning on killing David okay but he never found the right time and then it's such a hard thing it's a bright it's

like a first kiss in a while really it's like you just so you don't want to overstep you know yeah I'm sorry I was just gonna never mind oh what nothing I know go ahead do if I if I lean in right here and put my heart towards you would that help it's too aggressive I don't want to right now I don't know tell me turn around and you can like do it right across my neck no maybe tomorrow my god you're so shy shut up I'm not shy you are shy not shy it's ridiculous I will totally murder you buddy oh my god I am going to do it I mean I might kill myself as it's taking so fucking long oh empty threat alert empty threat alert

you're a minx whatever I'm gonna kill you dude I am gonna stab you I'm gonna cut you up you're gonna no I'm not get within a week you'll be in the ocean mark my word you laugh you laugh scared yes I want to go to a baseball game yes I want to go to a baseball game yes okay yes so McKinney's looking for the right time and then he made a friend a guy named Robert who was a little shady he told Robert the whole story tell him a murder a friend it's good to be pals with you and then for some reason Robert went and told David that McKinney was there to kill him and kill someone and then David realized he was the someone

well I mean I don't want to give him too much credit for being an investigator it's pretty obvious who he's there to kill who my friend from the restaurant mariachi band now David then gave Robert $3,000 as a reward right David a guy came to him and said hey that McKinney guy is gonna kill someone and he was like here's a reward for that information no it's not reward information if he said he's gonna kill you then you would give money but he's like I don't know what money means yeah and he gave him money so now he's got $5,000 well time for pasta David was now worried that both the both the FBI catching him and McKinney

killing him so he started just staying in his room and drinking Thanksgiving Christmas went by quote I missed my family I missed my wife there were times when I drank really heavily plus I had a dental appointment I didn't want to skip coming up there's my second one back in North Carolina Steve and Michelle gave her stepped out of pickup truck he'd always wanted he cried and Michelle got a brown teddy bear inside was a three-and-a-half carrot diamond worth $43,000 what what what sort of weird print okay now open your bear what in the butt in the butt part open the bears but the butthole look it's there's a butthole

put your finger in the tear I feel like you just want me to put it my finger bear god damn it feel the goddamn ten oh my god he's got diamond poo yeah but now it's fucking bullshit oh wow because it took too long I love you fuck this shit what are you mad about you should just put your hand in the butthole when I told you well it's just a weird command is all well you don't do that with me I'm sorry baby I'm trying to give hints I know why don't we go tan let's go crush five PBRs and tan from our cellar all right all right then in January a guy named Ken came to the FBI he said Steve had offered him a hundred and fifty

thousand to smuggle 2.5 million to the Cayman Islands but the FBI said they already had enough on Steve to arrest him and they were waiting to find out where David was they thought Steve had killed him and so Ken agreed to wear a wire and then the FBI tapped Steve's phones Eric's phones Kelly's phones and a pay phone so they would sometimes go use a pay phone instead of their phone but they would always go to the same pay phone well in a way in a way you're just making that another phone of yours so they tapped a pay phone right in February they heard Steve say he was sending McKinney to Mexico again to kill

David sure it's his fifth trip he's scuba certified and he knows how to parasail but this time he swears he's gonna kill him once the moment approaches properly he's just says it's been awkward the whole time a few days later Steve I mean they're kind of dating right hey oh hey you guess who's gonna kill you there's no my murder guy who's my murder guy I'm gonna kill you Steve a few days later on the phone Steve said where David was staying on the phone on March 1st Mexican police interpol officers and an FBI agent arrested David outside of his hotel David looked at them and said quote please tell me you

hear the FBI okay he just wanted to be over no we're strippers he was flown back to Charlotte then Steve Kelly Eric McKinney and Steve's cousin were all arrested Eric had spent all of his money on the motorcycle breast implants etc. Steve immediately turned on everyone telling everybody's part in the crimes to the FBI he's just wants to keep those tanning beds yeah it didn't take long for the FBI to figure out where most of the money was or what it had been spent on this isn't dog food at all all but 2 million they never found out where 2 million was inside that bear that's right eight co-conspirators

were indicted for the Loomis Fargo heist Kelly and David were standing next to each other as at a bond hearing as they waited and Kelly tried to apologize for being part of a plot to kill him oh I can't stay mad at you quote one four three quote it wasn't me it was Steve he said and he said yeah right and turned his head so David's fucking done wow that's right now for sure and it's definitely let's the man finally gets it others were arrested and charged many were innocent relatives that the crew had gotten to help put money in safety deposit boxes in various banks like Michelle's stepfather who was charged

and pleaded guilty to money laundering shit all together 21 people were convicted all but one pled guilty and most of them were just like they didn't know right take this money at the sentencing David told the judge quote your honor if I could undo what I did I would I was stuck in a go nowhere job and I wasn't happy with my life I'm sorry David was sentenced to seven and a half years he was 29 years old Steve was sentenced to 11 years and three months he was 31 Kelly five years ten months she was 29 McKinney got three months I'm not we're not sure what you did I don't know if I did anything but three

months sounds about right I'll be honest maybe I'm not sure what I did either I think I think you are guilty of going to Mexico I want a bunch I want a bunch of times I had a hell of a time I made a great friend but I think three months sounds pretty right on yeah and I don't think you even need to fill in what the crime was let's just say three months and I'll do it I deserve it Steve's house was auctioned off dozens of people came to look inside and cheered when they saw the Elvis painting cheered when they saw an Elvis painting yeah because everyone at this point knew about the Elvis painting it was on the

news and oh so they were oh I came to see it at the auction right and then once they took it down for years people kept saying they saw it on the wall I don't know if you know that the painting was worth probably worth 20 bucks but it sold for 1600 David was released on parole after five years he took a job as a construction worker he still owes the IRS millions of dollars so I assume that because of I guess there's something when you rob a bank then the IRS can charge you with tax fraud on top of it wow so they were like well you earned 17 million or whatever so well I have a bunch of write-offs from that year I

pasta alone is 400k gotta be so it was millions there as quote I work construction I never pay it off off on my paycheck Kelly was released and found Jesus Steve's in a barrel of dog food hey how are you I'm all cramped up now Steve served the full 11 years before he was released which means he was a fucking dick yeah right yeah in February 2009 the Associated Press contacted Steve and said that Steve chose to describe himself as quote changed well that's enough David got back with his wife wow even she was like okay I can't get I just love you how bad is it what you did it's not that bad a lot of girls

a lot of girls have their husbands do stuff like that my biggest crime is ignoring my molars quote I've learned that I'm a fortunate man think of how many women would have stood by mine did I've got a good woman as far as the robbery he doesn't feel bad about what he did to the company his bosses that treated him like shit quote it probably should bother me but I hate to admit it doesn't faze me one bit good that's right 100% against bosses David now is in Jacksonville Florida with his wife and son of his current life David recently wrote that he was a whore of the wife a drinker of coffee a father a gamer is he

doing a dollop intro a photographer a fisherman a gentleman a mastermind and each week so he wrote a book I think it's called the Book of Dave I have to look he wrote a book and I was like oh my god he's gonna tell his life story but it's like a self-help book chapter one do not rob a bank but I can tell you one of his very big pieces of advice for people is to quote be their own fourth of July that is so maybe true they made it into a movie with Zach Galifianakis was in it take the money and run yes who is a friend and and he in an interview David they asked him how he got along with Zach and he's like we're from North

Carolina we you know like talk about I would call us friends so I gotta ask Zach that if they're friends holy shit that is crazy I really that's kind of a story about why we need a $15 minimum what if you have if you have no money and no hope of ever getting out of a financial hole and there's no sign that another job is ever coming yeah why wouldn't you rob Loomis I would rob Loomis yeah you did the right thing I mean people won't say that but he did yeah take the fucking money I might have taken less but yeah I don't you know but he's getting treated like shit at a job making no fucking money yeah everybody is I mean every

all the characters in that story are getting that it should be you know the minimum wage if you if you adjusted it for production like what it should be $22 and companies like we won't make any money we are because production and we can see how much you make yeah yeah they can completely afford it and that's what it is in Australia it's 15 fucking bucks it's fine Seattle 15 bucks all good yeah no reason not to do it yeah and here's what I'm saying oh that is not the message that is not the full message thank you guys so much we appreciate it thank you