The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 385 - Racer Janet Guthrie

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the life of racer Janet GuthrieSOURCESTOUR DATESREDBUBBLE MERCH...

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Starting point is 00:04:06 American history podcast I confront this right away each week read a story for American history to my friend Gareth G Reynolds no clue what the topic is going to be about or just life in general no no no hey you're listening to the dollop this is an American history podcast each week Dave Anthony it just regards a name given to a baby fuck look he was just trying to teach the baby to lighten up no he's just taking on and this is not going to come to particularly part okay now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments actually part who's gonna complain this week who will find someone hey if you guys could just complain to me if I could wake up in the morning and open the
Starting point is 00:05:23 first email is someone complaining every day that would be great I think that's the key I think that's what you want right so if you're gonna complain send it on 4 a.m. yeah Pacific standards so that that's what I mean if you guys could just keep sending emails complaining and then it's like it's it's then you'll text me then so it's like getting spray it's like a nice early vibe it's great it's a good way to wake up it's like you could also send a complimentary email where you do two no no no wait you do two compliments and then the third one is telling us what we do wrong that's also really cool that we're gonna do that yeah
Starting point is 00:05:55 those are really good just all that stuff I just like to wake up to it I like to first thing in the morning get slapped in the face at least you got to keep your name if you want to watch this we're at the all things comedy YouTube page yeah we have a ton of great content including the documentary the amazing Jonathan always amazing that's really good great you should watch it March 7th 1938 yeah middle of war yeah okay right kind of it started right not for us no we're we're on the beach still like yeah that's right Janet Guthrie was born in Iowa not a normal girl for the time okay she was beyond a tomboy okay she loved
Starting point is 00:06:38 risk okay she loved to read books about adventures and aviators okay this seems to have run in the Guthrie family after her grandparents got married they went to Scotland for a honeymoon bought a motorcycle with a wicket sidecar and then drove all over Europe with a wicker sidecar yeah with grandma and the wicker basket it's not safe it is got it but it's very it's very Guthrie right sure the family moved to Florida and her father built the house they lived in near Miami sure this happens very very mid 40s yeah he was a pilot for an airline he was also not one to play by the rules that's not great for airline
Starting point is 00:07:23 he didn't like the fact that commercial we're not landed no not like that like that oh I mean that's a rule you have to play by not necessarily literally have to play by that rule they can fuel it in the sky you okay well I saw it in one of the movies maybe Batman when you saw it you saw it in military planes I don't believe they refueled jet airliner anything's possible not according to what I was told on Twitter all week before I bailed so he he didn't like the fact that commercial air airplanes had to jump excess fuel after takeoff had to dump excess yeah so they would just fill it
Starting point is 00:08:05 up and then be like well you got too much fuel so they would take off and then dump it what is what why I couldn't figure it out but it was just a just a giant waste of fuel and before they would land well it said takeoff so yeah then there's no I mean maybe the person got it wrong and maybe it was land but either way yeah still like bad it's lazy he had this weird feeling that it was bad for the environment right okay that was alright okay so he went to the press and told the press about it sure of course big story then he was suspended by his airline sure but all his fellow pilots rallied around him and he
Starting point is 00:08:39 was reinstated and then dumping fuel jet fuel was slowly phased out okay so he you know he's one of those guys made a changemaker sure not not afraid to stand up and do his own thing sure so when Jenna was 12 her mom got tuberculosis and had to live in a sanitary about 75 miles away perfect yeah perfect so Janet's the oldest kid youngest kid's a toddler so great so this is great because her mother's far away and now she has to become a mother 12 that's right it's perfect well that's what you it's ideal it's ideal it's how you want to start your and then your childhood yeah yeah so a forced bar mitzvah it's with no
Starting point is 00:09:21 presence with no great responsibility and nobody comes tons of there's no salmon or locks just five other kids just tons of kids that you've got to now take care of change diapers yeah yeah so so her dad is a pilot so he like sometimes goes overnight so she's in charge of the other kids perfect and she's eating off you don't need that she let's try this she's cooking she's sewing she's cleaning the house I deal well classic 12 year old stuff what you want to be perfect yes like a sitcom montage intro yeah yeah that's right so it took mom about a year to recover and then she came back so she's has a year
Starting point is 00:09:59 of the best 12 year old year ever great when she's 13 she flew a plane for the first time perfect you know just normal like this is what happens when you become mother at 12 you can just start doing other stuff far too early that's right astronaut at 18 yeah yeah president of the United States 23 doogie Hauser yeah the doogie Hauser of history she read Charles Lindbergs the spirit of st. Louis and became obsessed with parachuting so she wants to jump out of a plane with a parachute on her dad said no because you know she's like 14 15 right so when she was 16 she started jumping off the roof of the
Starting point is 00:10:37 house all summer until he said yes Jesus yeah that's the way to do it okay yeah yeah yeah yes it's safer than this so he flew he flew the plane she jumped out she made it she survived okay how like I'm sure you don't know the answer to this but how were you weren't I mean she was jumping with someone else who had jumped before right it I couldn't find that you know she just talks about herself jumping I couldn't find anything that she did it with anybody else yeah that's I'm curious yeah I mean that's crazy yeah I would certainly have buckled I'd buckle at this age doing that oh fuck yeah yeah I would never I don't think
Starting point is 00:11:22 gravity is a toy that's my so Janet got her pilot's license when she was 17 years old okay sure but she could not become a working pilot in 1955 because commercial airlines were not hiring women pilots I love that it's that they weren't hiring women not that she was 17 well but when she turned 18 she couldn't get a job right okay yeah of course there's just no women no it's like the locker room can't have a lady up there she got a bunch you gotta want to talk about you know the stuff they talk about on the view and whatnot plus you know I'm a pilot so when I'm flying the long flight I like to air out my balls we like
Starting point is 00:12:01 to be naked up there let the boys breathe naked up there we're drinking a couple hams with the pop tops maybe I get a hard on probably maybe co-pilots for maybe your bloodstiny you get more hard odds so we're just a couple of guys sitting up in the old cock front or the cockpit yeah naked having a couple hands with a couple hard odds listening to some van Halen before they were invented Jimmy we're a Wolver like Denver you want to give me a little hand oh hey what do you say huh about a mile high job anyway no ladies hey who would want a lady in here they'll distract us from drinking beer and jerking
Starting point is 00:12:43 each other off up front so she goes to the University of Michigan and gets a degree in physics okay so she's a smarty yeah and she got an engineering job at an aerospace company on Long Island and slowly rose up the ranks Jesus and then she bought a gray 1953 Jaguar coupe I got that I wasn't sure if there was gonna be a car or just an animal and then she got into car racing okay interesting and she spent nights working on the Jag she put all her money into the car on the jet that's right yeah she put all her money in the car she started racing in which are just like a cone core set up in a parking lot okay so and then she
Starting point is 00:13:37 started winning them I guess they do like amateur parking lot races sure like a demolition derby sort of style yeah except it's in the like the parking lot you're sticking that parking lot thing a lot of a safe way parking lot got you okay right different but she got her she starts getting a rep is a great driver in these Jim Kirk her whatever they're Jim Connors parking lot races all over the Northeast so she won so much that other drivers started saying she had a supercharger in her car okay let me guess these other drivers men no way a lady beats me and that she's got a fancy special car she's a wizard and a man's
Starting point is 00:14:22 outfit next she started racing in hill climbs sure so these are much much more dangerous than a parking lot a lot of drivers crash because there's turns and twists so guys are going over the side and sure that kind of shit so there's more of a course and well it's just like like if you this isn't at the safe way still it's not the safe way it's no it's not even a course it's just up up up a hill like a hill road you know so it's like you know all right okay right you go up Angel's crest it's like that deal drivers crashed all the time but Janet was very cool and calm quote I found that
Starting point is 00:14:58 I liked fast courses and fast turns she rose up the ranks of amateur drivers she was her own mechanic and she rebuilt the Jags engine in the back of her station wagon all by herself just going by the shop manual she put a Jaguar engine in a station wagon just with a manual you're saying well I didn't think she wanted to do it on the ground for because I don't know I don't know how that works with building an engine but you kind of have to suspend it when you build it sure imagine you can't just lay it on the ground at some point you're gonna need it up so yeah I think that was the but she rebuilt it or or because
Starting point is 00:15:35 she was driving around while she's off from racing when she's wherever for the weekend she can work on it right okay because she's always working on everything when she's not racing or at her job okay so she's so she built it in the back of the station yeah she still has a job she's working 95 and then at night at night she's working on the honeymoon as a drag mechanic no night she's a mechanic weekend she's a racer we can race not a drag racer she's a regular regular right amateur racer Jaguar racer she's a drag racer Jack Jags Jagger sir mm-hmm I didn't hmm so so the the shop manual she that's the crazy thing to
Starting point is 00:16:14 me she just built it by a shop manual yeah she I keyed a motor not normal it was written in British because it's a Jag so it had nonsense like extract the mills pin and remove the driving dog and drop that look hoity-toity hoity-toity so her life in the early 60s is all racing she was a natural she's very competitive some men couldn't handle losing to a woman you can imagine really in that day and age yeah in 1966 she came in second and heard the winner telling the guy who came in third quote it's no disgrace to be beaten by her yeah now it is god damn it I had a cock yeah it is it is it is shocking how much
Starting point is 00:17:04 that that changes everything yeah it's like I could handle losing to a man but she's not a man not this a problem a woman racing was considered just a non-starter by a lot of male drivers Grand Prix driver Francois Kevair here we go was asked if women could compete quote oh I don't think that would be very good I think they're missing something between the legs yes they don't have the thing between the legs that we do they I have what is not they're trying to have sex with a gear shift where I have the penis here she is oh wow okay yeah pretty good yeah and she got it like a rider's helmet on
Starting point is 00:17:56 could she drive huh what does she go she's gonna get distracted seeking our recipes oh she won't be able to focus that's the Jag wow so that's pretty cool right yeah yeah it's a cool fucking car looks like she's driving a pinewood derby car so apparently a lot of men said that that you need a cock and balls was a recurring statement David this day and age I bet you a doctor said it but Janet still I looked up a lot of articles about her she still said them at this point she's still saying most drivers are super nice okay and shocking and fine quote the nice thing about sports racing is that with very few
Starting point is 00:18:44 exceptions you're pretty much accepted on your capabilities as a driver okay a racing executive took notice of her skills on the amateur circuit but told her quote you will never be a winning driver because no one will ever give you a winning car because you're a woman so she's saying at this point she's saying nice things in the press right but by the way totally what you have to do I think sir right yeah I think so yeah if you slag them off then they're gonna be like say she's erratic she's a hothead that's right she can't say yeah you create the condition to then like serve your narrative that's already carved out
Starting point is 00:19:21 so so don't look at the pictures so so she so she's doing that but then later on when she recalls and writes about her life it's a little different right it's a little like well there were a lot of fucking dickheads right she's also very attractive as I said this meant so a lot of men didn't know what to do with her because she's like that's a hot picture right there she didn't seem to fit into the lives of men she dated right she worked nine to five like I said work on a cart night race on weekends there's not a lot of time for a dude in there yeah her parents didn't understand any dude that air is gonna be like honey you sure
Starting point is 00:20:02 you want to use that wrench yeah yeah I'm not gonna use this wrench well cuz maybe maybe me and Tom should take a look yeah I actually want it to work so I'm gonna use all right well let me know if you need to tag out and get a guy under there for a minute now I don't get a second set of regularized lady I because I think only is it truly one I works in a lady no they both are working because that like right now I'm looking at a fucking idiot yeah but you would be able to do that with just the one cuz it's like a pirate I anyway well let me know if you need help or anything or if you want to help see my no okay all right well this
Starting point is 00:20:42 was a terrible conversation do you try I think what else I can do because I go away well I make the decision to do that okay I'm gonna leave yeah yeah I know you want me to hang out and help but I'm gonna really hoping you hang out you need me to hang out no oh yeah I'm out of here then okay all right what'd you say nothing oh I thought you said come in back help you with the I did not all right see later absolutely did not so I gotta leave to this door she she did seem to date a lot of drivers which would make sense that's you know sure only piece people that she's really seeing other than people at work her
Starting point is 00:21:25 parents don't understand why she's racing her brothers and sisters are all working great jobs now and they've got advanced degrees it was simple to Janet quote being a race car driver is what I am she and I was eventually laid off by the aerospace company because she couldn't fully commit to the job and she got a job at a smaller aerospace company in 1966 Janet was invited to drive in the Daytona Continental 24 more and more people were noticing her then the small company she worked for failed and at 29 she had to make a choice go get her masters in physics and keep going in aerospace or go for broke and get into
Starting point is 00:22:05 racing completely literally the same decision I had to make at 29 right it does a stand-up I did the same thing no no I mean with the exact same jobs oh I don't I decided if I needed to be a race car driver if I wanted to get my physics degree I just want to end the podcast right now that is a great that has got to be a very crazy decision though yeah um clearly go with the one where you don't need to go to school yeah yeah yeah you do a motor impression you yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm Janet I'm driving it's not ever do that again okay
Starting point is 00:22:46 so the old remember who had really been in successful in racing and she says seemed to have private fortunes they could fall back on right which is also common they can stand up when you start up yeah Janet chose racing okay in 1967 The New York Daily Record wrote, quote, Jenna Guthrie is a racing driver, plane pilot, sky jumper, and guess what? A physicist working on rocket systems for a living. Tall and slender.
Starting point is 00:23:14 She has hazel eyes. Here we go. Light brown hair and a faint dusting of freckles. Ugh. Ah! Literally. So pervy. Literally every article I read.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I mean, you can eat. It's the end of the 70s. Everyone starts with what she is and then goes into what she looks like. Well, A, that's a win, minor win, that they're starting with the substance. But you can also describe what someone looks without being so creepy.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Oh yeah. A dusting of freckles. Dude, chill out. Just say, like, you don't even need to say she has freckles. A dusting of freckles. Her hair like angels' whispers. Her clothing smells of ocean breeze. Sweet, sweet Janet.
Starting point is 00:24:04 One can only imagine her toes' taste of coconut oil. Honey, I'm reading the paper. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go in the shower for a little bit. You're gonna read the paper in the shower? Yeah. Okay, bye. So Janet and... It says in the paper to go to the shower.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Go to your shower. Go to your shower. I gotta go to my shower. There's a dusting of freckles happening. So she also was, she started every year racing in this, the Sebring 12-hour race. I think it's in Florida. And she teamed up with other women
Starting point is 00:24:45 because it's a 12-hour race. So, I mean, check, I mean... Right. That absolutely gorgeous woman is from like Denmark or something. But she's over here racing. Okay, so they're like three of them would team up. Yeah, and then they do the 12-hour race together.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Okay, right. They still just jump like that now, kind of. Yeah, Paul Hawkins, an Australian racer, was not happy, quote, those bloody birds don't belong on a race course. They belong either in the kitchen or in the bedroom. No one wants to see some granny driving a school bus out there, keep the bloody birds off the course.
Starting point is 00:25:17 There's so many flags to throw. What did you say? What? I gotta say, though, some granny driving a school bus out there is a pretty good... But wait, what was he saying? Read that part again. That's the part that I'm like...
Starting point is 00:25:32 No one wants to see some granny driving a school bus out there. So... He's just saying they're gonna... Racers get mad when people drive slow. Right. And so he's saying they're driving too slow. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:25:43 He blamed them for causing him to crash the year before, but photographers had absolved them. Right. Shocking. Yeah. In 1971, Janet became the first professional woman driver in a SCCA series. Whatever, it's a fucking...
Starting point is 00:25:58 Sure. At the time, women weren't even allowed in pits at NASCAR. Okay. So women are forbidden in pits and gasoline alley at NASCAR. Okay. A woman named Pat Wagner asked for pit credentials
Starting point is 00:26:12 at Daytona in 71 and was, quote, spat at, her coat lapels ripped off, locked in a men's bathroom and doused with urine. What? Jesus Christ. Look, she shouldn't have asked, right? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Is that... I mean, she asked for something. You just say no. Oh. Yeah, you don't need to lock her into a john and piss on her. Oh, fuck. Because we have a whole kid over here for when a woman asked for...
Starting point is 00:26:42 We should not use that. Yeah, there's a kid. There's a thing to rip off stuff off her coat. No, no. There's a jar spit and there's a jar urine. You're supposed to drink the jar spit and then spit it on her. Drink the jar of spit?
Starting point is 00:26:54 Yeah, in case you don't have enough, ready. And then the urine's just always there. It's just in case a woman wants credentials. It's old piss? Yeah. It's a classic Kentucky piss. More downside, yeah. Oh, it's Kentucky.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Yeah, it's aged. Kind of golden moonshine. Yeah, it's nice. Right. Oh, aged in oak barrels. Well, this is where we stored a piss for throwing. So another woman sued to get into the Indy 500 pit and a judge ordered women be allowed in.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Okay. Fans in the stands booed the first women who went into the pit. I'm shocked. So they opened it up and basically it's press. Press goes in. And the thing is fans have always been on the right side of history.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Always. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Driver Kale Yarborough said, quote, I hope somebody runs over one of them with one of those tractors. What the fuck? Driver A.J. Foyte, quote,
Starting point is 00:27:52 decent women know their place. Oh my God. A seething guard at the gate said to a reporter, quote, pigs, that's what they are. Pigs. They're just crazy. They just want to go into the pit. What in the fuck is happening?
Starting point is 00:28:07 I mean, that's just, they just. And also, you know, I mean, obviously, you know the answer to this, but it's like, just beat them. Just mop the floor with them. Then. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Then you can be like, God, it's useless. You know, like then instead of being like, before anything really happens. Even other women were against the intrusion. The wife of a car owner said angrily, quote, there are just certain places where women don't fit. So now once that. Like being asked their opinion on women.
Starting point is 00:28:40 That's right. Yeah. So it was over everywhere. Once the Andy Pitt was open, it was all pits. Right. Right. The Austin American paper, quote, women's lib is struck again.
Starting point is 00:28:50 NASCAR is no women in the pits and garage. Garage's rule is no more. A lady named Dusty Brandel was in the pits at Ontario for the Miller 500. Like that's news. That's news. Yeah. Woman was there.
Starting point is 00:29:08 In 1973, Jane won her class in the North American road racing championships. She was getting help from Toyota. So that's, I think I showed that earlier, but she said she, Toyota is like giving her a little bit of help. Her name is Jen, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:24 But I think it's like local Toyota sort of dealerships that are doing it. Okay. But she's mostly doing it all her own. She's basically paying for it all on her own still. So it's wearing her down. It's like we said, you think of her schedules. So now we're fucking years into it.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Yeah. She bought a Toyota Celica and built it up from scratch, then crashed it. At 36, she was living in a tiny apartment with no savings. She was single. She had no problem meeting men. Several had proposed, but Janet told them all they had to do was agree that she could keep racing
Starting point is 00:29:55 and none of them did. Wow. Late in 1973, a man named Orola Volstead was looking for a female driver for the Indianapolis 500. Okay. So Roland is here. And Roland is a, he's a good guy. In 1973, it was the war with Billy Jean King,
Starting point is 00:30:22 beat Bobby Riggs in a tennis match, or that was a big asshole festival. The first female jockey won a stakes race, and Volstead thought using a female driver would make a big splash. He's a low-budget independent team owner, so he has to take chances to win. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:39 He had a lumber business, and he just loved racing, so he's pouring it all into racing. He called the SCCA, and Janet's name was at the top of the list, as far as female drivers go. Many men in racing would publicly say a woman could not race. TV commentators said a woman couldn't last a 500 mile race. Others said women were a danger
Starting point is 00:30:59 because they would faint at fast speeds. That's true. That, that, that, well, no, I mean, we're having fun, but we all, we've seen, I mean, I take flights a lot. I mean, we both fly a lot, like, you know what it's like. The second you get up there, it's just like a woman genocide. I mean, it's just body, it's just limp bodies all over the place.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Anytime I'm on a plane, like, half the women faint. Well, that's why all the flight attendants are male. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because if they go fast, well, they can't do the food and beverage. That's right. They're just laying there. Well, they're laying on the floor like rats.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Yeah, dropped on the floor. Like, just... I wish the doctors could figure out what causes that. It's the, it's the speed. They can't, they're not able... Yeah, but what in their body? Because they, because they're essentially, they're fairly the same as us,
Starting point is 00:31:44 except where they have different organs in the... The penis acts like a sail in speeds. And it sort of is able to slow us down and we can kind of be anchored by our thoughts. And the vagina more takes in there. It's aerodynamic. Yeah. So it's sort of like they,
Starting point is 00:31:57 they are treated more like an out-of-control kite. Right. And we're more just like an anchor. Like a bullet. Like a bullet, exactly, yeah. And they're, and they're, and they're taking the air in. Yeah, I mean, don't get too super fixing
Starting point is 00:32:09 on that part of it. Right, to the, to the, to the hood holes. Yeah, yeah, right. I'm just saying, well, let's, I think we can keep it above belt a little bit, but you know, let's just say there's, it's, it's different strokes for different folks. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Yeah. So their cookies just get in air blasted and they pass out. Can I, can we pause the podcast then? Can I talk to you outside for five minutes? Just five. Just five. So, if you said women wouldn't be able to race
Starting point is 00:32:37 if they were menstruating, cause how could that, I mean, how do you- It should be called women's trading, by the way. Cause how, how could you, imagine a woman being able to function as a human being while menstruating. Yeah. Yeah, it's not.
Starting point is 00:32:50 If anything, I feel like she's a better racer. At the 8,500, not one woman had even tried to qualify. Okay. So that's the big race, right? Right. It was, it was just four years since women had been booed for going into the pit in 71. So Janet got some coverage in the papers.
Starting point is 00:33:09 Ruth Kling wrote an article for the New York Daily News with the headline, racing cars keeps her trim and fit. What? Ruth, don't help. This is that picture again, which is what was with this article. Quote, more and more women are invading sports that were considered the domain.
Starting point is 00:33:28 Invading. Yeah. There's some interesting words. Yeah. What were considered, and this is written by a woman. I know, yeah. They were considered the domain of men. And in doing so, they are giving up nothing.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Janet Guthrie is a perfect, is perfect proof of this. She has been a race, racing car driver for 12 years, yet manages to look pretty, slender, well-spoken and feminine. But she also like lived in a one bedroom apartment, like, or like lived, I mean. Well, she's just saying, she's just, but all she's saying is she's still available
Starting point is 00:34:03 for a man to marry. Oh. She's literally saying she's still useful as a wife. Oh, God. It's an older model, but she's still drivable. It's the New York Daily News. Uh-huh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Now, that was that in the sports section, because it should have been. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Anyway, Rola Volestet bought, thought a woman driver would be better than a male driver, quote, God made women better able to handle stress than men, women are calmer and cooler. Plus, women's lib was super hot at the time,
Starting point is 00:34:37 and he thought sponsors would be into it, so he reaches out to Janet. Great. For some reason, Janet is wary at first, but he keeps pushing, and for a year and a half, they discussed it back and forth. Volestet's lead driver was a guy named Dick Simon. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Dick is. That's not Dick. No. I guess I don't have a dick. I mean, I have a dick. Well, hey, Aaron, we've got my ringtone. I have a dick. So if we can do me a favor after the show,
Starting point is 00:35:11 just highlight that, and then let's just take that middle section. No, Dave, we've got what we need. I have a dick. We've got what we came here for. So if you can just. I can fly in a plane. Highlight that, and then, well, I just want to make
Starting point is 00:35:24 that a ringtone and a ringtone available for everybody on the internet. So during one race, Dick's cockpit caught on fire. Dave, I'm trying. Stop. And it burned the skin off his leg down to the bone. Yeah. His crew told him to get out and not finish the race.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Yes. Quote, I was running well, and there was no way I was going to get out of that car. What? And he went back out and he won the race. What? And then he came into the pit and passed out. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Later, racing officials told him to go see a psychiatrist. Yes. So racers are a different type of human. Yes. Yeah, they have. They're terminators? Well, yeah, I mean, they're just, I mean, you're literally putting your life on the line
Starting point is 00:36:11 to win a race. Yeah. It's a different kind of race. Very dangerous. So that's the type of guy he is, right? Old school, tough guy. That kind of guy you can see is femur and he'll finish. That's right.
Starting point is 00:36:23 So Jenna was the only woman with the Indie 500 as a goal. Another woman, Arlene Hiss, was also shooting for the Indie 500. Now, I couldn't find any record of it, but oh, boy. Jenna said she basically said everyone who, she made it sound like everyone who was not in her place was wealthy. So the other women who were racing were able to do it
Starting point is 00:36:50 at a more casual race. Not have a job and blah, blah, blah. I couldn't find any indication that that was true, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt. So Arlene Hiss, she's trying to get into the Indie 500. And when people heard she was going to enter, they were not happy. From a letter in the National Speed Sports News quote,
Starting point is 00:37:16 I hope that all he men would boycott the race if Ms. Hiss is allowed to drive. If there was a terrible wreck, just what would she do? Faint. That letter was written by a woman. Two weeks before the tryout for Volstead, Janet broke her foot. She knew her tryout would be gone and he'd
Starting point is 00:37:36 move on to the next woman, so she didn't tell him. Now, her foot was green, yellow, and dark purple. That's a good color? I'm not good at it. Those are all not normal human colors. So she went to Miami, or I guess she was living in Miami. I don't know, she's in Miami. And she goes to the doctor.
Starting point is 00:37:56 He's like, put on a cash. She's like, no. And then an orthopedist who works with the Miami Dolphins comes to look at it. And he said the metatarsal that was broken was the exact one that you used to break. So it's like the one that you put all the pressure on. He told her she could race if she had no plans
Starting point is 00:38:17 to ever stop the car. Perfect. And they put a cast on her. Now, Janet knows if Arlene Hiss is first in the Indy 500, she gets all the attention and all the sponsorships. And then she's not going to be able to do what she wants to do. So Hiss became the first woman to get a US auto club license, which means she can drive in Indy car races.
Starting point is 00:38:41 And Janet's on crutches. So Janet goes to New York and begs a doctor who is known for having bad ethics to take the cast off. But he's like, no. So three days before, she was supposed to do the tryout with Volstead. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:38:58 She soaks in a bath and ripped off the plaster cast with her hand. Jesus Christ. And then Janet flew out to Ontario, California, for the test. And there she met Dick Simon. Now, Dick is Volstead's lead driver of his team. And Janet said she was limpy because she twisted her ankle
Starting point is 00:39:14 and it wasn't a big deal. She wore a driver's suit. She had sewn herself over the years to save money. And then she got into her first Indy car ever. She had never been in one. She'd never gone over 130 miles an hour. And she got the car up to 161 and realized she could work the break.
Starting point is 00:39:31 The next day, she went 172.4 miles an hour, which is faster than Simon had ever gone in the car. OK. She was now part of the team. Simon was very impressed with her. And the announcement went out that she was going to race at Indy. And the press did the usual thing. And then hate mail poured in.
Starting point is 00:39:52 One quote, you are either a neuter or a lesbian. Another quote, a phony, non-talented, inarticulate, man-hating, money-grabbing, hysterical bitch. Jesus. Tons of letters like this just pouring in. So she's running into this tidal wave of sexism. And she's completely shocked by the amount of it that's coming her way.
Starting point is 00:40:12 She didn't expect it. Meanwhile, Hiss is in a race in Phoenix. And that race became all about whether or not women should be able to race at all. So Janet flew out to watch. She's rooting for Hiss to do well because she knows if Hiss blows it, that all the hateful men will say they're right.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Told you. Yeah, women can't do it. And Hiss was terrible. She was slow, tentative. Kept signaling. Kept signaling. And she's getting lapped constantly. She clogs up the fast lane now when you're.
Starting point is 00:40:50 Oh, that's like the, I mean, if you're her watching, they're like, you dumbass, no. Yeah, the one thing you can't do is clog the fast lane because that causes accidents. You're just supposed to get out of the way and let the other guys go by you. But she's clogging up the fast lane. It looks like she's forgotten how to race.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Like it's just crazy. And then finally a race official waves the black flag at her for breaking the track rules and takes her out of the race. Oh, shit. So it didn't go great. She was lapped 22 times. And that's a lot.
Starting point is 00:41:24 Last place, total disaster. Couldn't have gone worse. The male racers just fucking go off. One said Hiss would kill someone if they didn't take away her racing license. Bobby Unser said, quote, it is a sad day when some woman gets in a car and pokes around the track slower than anybody else and then all the riders and television cameras
Starting point is 00:41:45 crowd around to ignore the professionals. He said he spent years learning and coming up the ranks, but these women were doing it differently. Quote, now here come these women with these dinky little experiences in dinky little cars with little horsepower. So what he's saying is, well, not true for anyone. Not true at all. For Hiss or Janet?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Hiss is less prepared to do this. And this just opens the door to now crazy theories and shit. And makes Janet. Is Hiss less prepared? After the race, Hiss told Janet that one of her crew members told her to go as slow as she wanted and to stay in the fast lane and not get out. Well, that's good.
Starting point is 00:42:35 So even her own crew are trying to undermine her. Just sabotage. They sabotaged her. So Janet faced the press and said male rookie drivers who had bad races didn't get these kind of attacks. So next was the Trenton 200. I mean, that is also very true. I mean, she never raced.
Starting point is 00:42:53 That's right. That's right. She never raced on that level. So the Trenton 200 was going to be Janet's first race. And that's like a month before the Indy 500. Hiss was supposed to be there, but a group of male drivers were organizing to stop her. They told the USAC that they would boycott the race if Hiss
Starting point is 00:43:12 raced, and she was forced to drop out. The use act didn't want a woman in it? That's right. Hiss would race in NASCAR, but never again get a chance in Indycar. She would drop out in a couple of years, drop out of racing completely, and teach dancing instead. To which all the men were like, that's what better.
Starting point is 00:43:33 I told you what she should be doing. I better. Quote, I hated that it stopped. It really wasn't a decision I made. It was made for me. So Janet holds a press conference before Trenton, with Hiss out all the attentions on her. For two months, there were just tons of men
Starting point is 00:43:52 in the racing world explaining how women can't handle cars. Drivers and owners pressured race officials to ban Janet. The New York Times wrote an article about Janet, and above the story, it was a Rodney Dangerfield joke. God. Quote, my wife drove into a. Oh, no, not a good start. You know, as to be proven with Rodney's material,
Starting point is 00:44:17 couldn't be more true when it comes to the women's land. My wife drove into a tree today, but she told me it wasn't her fault. She blew her horn. New York Times, above an article about one of the first women race car drivers. Driver David. I tell you, she took out two branches.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I told my wife to branch off. She drove a car to a tree. Driver David Pearson said, quote, she ought to be home having babies if she can. And that doesn't have the Dangerfield timing. Hey, she should be home having babies if she even can. I mean, yeah, so he's saying two things. She's a woman.
Starting point is 00:45:04 She should be home having babies. But she's also not a woman. She's also not a woman. Oh, I thought. If she can have babies. OK. Bobby Unser took every shot he could. So Unser is kind of becoming the unofficial spokeswoman
Starting point is 00:45:16 for misogynist assholes, I guess. Spokesperson. Spokesman, yeah. So I found the best picture of him I could. It's a good one. That's where Aretha ate him? Look, even on this fucking thing, it says Dick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:31 He said Dick. So quote, what has Guthrie been driving? Jaguars? When I was 15 or 16, I used to race Jaguars down the highway. And if I ever tried entering Indianapolis, you think I wouldn't have been laughed at? Janet called Bobby a chauvinist pig. The press started calling it Janet Guthrie versus Bobby
Starting point is 00:45:52 Unser. Janet's car was difficult and a need to work. So she doesn't have a great car. That's interesting about racing that I didn't know is, you know, the guys who are super fast or win a lot of races, they have tons of money and they have better cars. So when you're starting out, you have a shitty car and you have to work your way up to better cars.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Like you really have to prove yourself. So this car kind of sucks. It's barely capable. When a crew would try to borrow parts from other crews, they wouldn't help because it was for a woman. This caused Janet's crew to get angry and start to pull together for her. Nice.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Reporters followed Janet around. NBC miked her to get every comment she made. Dick Simon helped and gave as much advice as he possibly could. And Janet qualified. She raced well at Trenton, but the car gave out on the 79th lap. A driver, Billy Vukovic, who had been giving her shit,
Starting point is 00:46:44 said, quote, I think she's definitely more qualified than I thought. There we go. Another quote, she did an excellent job. It's a shame she didn't have a better car. AJ Foyte walked over to Pit Row and congratulated her. She'd passed her first test. Nice.
Starting point is 00:46:59 So AJ Foyte's like being a nice guy. OK. Janet was now world news. And she found her not failing at Trenton just hardened the assholes who had contempt. At Indie, she said, quote, so now she's gone to Indie. And you go there and you practice, and you're there for a while, right?
Starting point is 00:47:19 She said, quote, hostility hung in the air. Drivers, mechanics, pit crews, and other owners glared at her. But she was now being recognized on the street. Women approached her to thank her. Thankful letters came in from all over the world. And now she felt more pressure like she was racing for every woman dealing with a show but is pig in her life.
Starting point is 00:47:38 So all women. Yeah. Her crew got protective and nicknamed her Indie Lady. They put up a sign, quote, Indie Lady is our lady, which made her almost cry. Indie was a notoriously dangerous race. And in the three weeks of practice leading up, guys were crashing their cars.
Starting point is 00:47:58 One broke his neck just before she got into the car. It's like that Rodney Dangerfield joke. My husband crashed his car into a tree. He said it wasn't his fault. He hugged. So just before she gets in her car for qualifying, she's walking to her car. Two guys are drinking beers.
Starting point is 00:48:17 And they yell at her that they hoped that she would crash. Nice. Nice stuff, guys. Yeah. You're extras in a movie about her. 100%. But a piston blue in the car. The Chicago Tribune mocked her, quote,
Starting point is 00:48:30 she'll have the car up to qualifying speeds by 1982. Wow. Slam. Droll. A new engine was put in the car, but the car still sucked. Mario Andretti told Janet he felt sorry for her because of the shit car. But she wasn't able to get upset with Volstead
Starting point is 00:48:49 because he had her back under what Simon described as, quote, appalling pressure. So the owner doesn't have money, but he's still there for her as much as he can be. The car was just not going to cut it. It was looking like Janet was not going to race in the Indy 500. Then national champion, known hard man, tough cowboy, AJ Foyt, offered her his backup car.
Starting point is 00:49:14 His crew told Janet they didn't want her in the car. So she goes over to the car and the crew's like, we didn't want you driving this fucking car. And she told them she'd never destroyed a car, and she wasn't going to start now. So she tests it. And she gets up to 180 miles an hour. But after she drove it, they bring it in,
Starting point is 00:49:34 and then Foyt goes in to meet with his team and his people. And hours go by, and then he takes back the offer. So with no explanation, he said she did a terrific job in the tests, but her Indy run was over. Still, after all this, women would keep telling her how much she had changed things. Some said her name was coming up in office meetings. So her growing celebrity led to a NASCAR race
Starting point is 00:50:03 asking her to join, because she's now a name, so they need people. She knew the NASCAR people knew she would sell tickets. A female banker in Charlotte, North Carolina, Linda Ferrari, which, yeah, offered to back Janet's NASCAR run. Linda was not a feminist or a race fan. She told Janet she had been at a party, quote, someone took the position that what you were doing
Starting point is 00:50:27 was just a publicity stunt, and you would never make it as a race car driver. So many people were saying you were a hoax, and that it was impossible for a woman to compete in the Winston Cup. And I thought to myself, wouldn't it be fun to be part of disproving that? How great is it when you have enough money
Starting point is 00:50:45 to get probably drunk at a cocktail party, get into an argument, and then pay to prove everyone wrong? I mean, yeah. People that never were like, all right, settle down. I'm going to get her into a race. All right, let's just chill it out, everyone, until you're like, so she's racing. Yeah, and she's also this Linda Ferrari woman.
Starting point is 00:51:07 She's a banker, and there's no female bankers. She's like in the exact same thing, but in banking. That's even better. Yeah, so she's. They're super friends. So she tosses down 30 grand. The NASCAR race was the World 600. It was the longest NASCAR race, 600 miles, four hours.
Starting point is 00:51:28 No woman had ever gone past 200 miles in a NASCAR race. Well, they fainted. Yeah. They fainted very easily at a high rate. Yeah, they have to go 30 miles an hour. Yes. Some male drivers used water-cooled helmets and relief drivers, but Janet said no to both.
Starting point is 00:51:45 The day it was announced Janet would race, they sold more tickets than any day in the history of the track. Networks started outbidding each other to get the rights, and usually it was the other way around where they would try to get, they would pay the network to put it on. But how great is it that this is all,
Starting point is 00:52:01 this is all birthed out of the dumb male protest. 100%. They just elevated her status. Yeah, totally. So NASCAR is a different animal than Indy NASCAR is like the tough guy racing thing, you know, born out of moonshine runners in the South. It's like, you know, almost all women involved
Starting point is 00:52:23 in NASCAR at this time are beauty queens or fans asking drivers to sign their boobs. Okay. Janet said, quote, this is a part of the country where women are supposed to be useless, even if they're not. They are supposed to be decorative, and that's it. She was annoyed that women had to hide who they were.
Starting point is 00:52:39 And the NASCAR guys were far bigger dicks than the Indy guys. She was very excited to meet Richard Petty, who was known as the king. He is the, you know, he's the hot shit of racing. His dad was a racer, his family's all, you know. And he's the racer had one hand made of duct tape? Yes, right.
Starting point is 00:53:04 So she meets him at a pre-race party and she's all excited and he just shot her a nasty look and was total disdain. There's no women's bathroom because women aren't racers. So she had to change every day in the women's bathroom in the stands. One day she was suiting up when the wife of a driver came in
Starting point is 00:53:27 and said she'd been working on her husband's car all night. And when Janet asked her why she wasn't in the garage with the rest of the crew, she answered, quote, oh, I would never do that. That's for men. Yeah, yeah, like it's not just, it's not just like men keeping up, like there's like a Stockholm syndrome. So part of this where the women go with,
Starting point is 00:53:48 obviously not all women or nothing would change, but there's a group of women who are keeping everything the same just as much as men are. Yeah, like you're working on the fucking car. You should be like, no, I'm gonna be in the fucking garage. But she's like, well, that's not my place. I just do it at night in the shadows. I just do everything.
Starting point is 00:54:04 What do I know? Yeah. Janet qualified in 27th place and the race started. She moved up the pack. She soaked with sweat. The restraint cut her, her skin's chafing. She almost collided with Richard Petty as he crashed his car and then she finished the race in 15th.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Wow. Everyone was excited. Her crew members cried like everyone pretty much. It's so great that they're men crying. They're like, wait, but guys, keep it together. Yeah, everyone pretty much lost it. The Nashville, Tennessee and wrote quote, Janet Guthrie drove the car.
Starting point is 00:54:37 They said she couldn't drive and dirt the strain. They said she couldn't endure and completed the race. They said she couldn't complete. The winner, David Pearson, who before said he didn't think she would qualify and now said he wouldn't mind racing with her any time. Suddenly, Janet is a huge star. She gets book offers, movie offers.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Companies are talking endorsements. Owners called trying to steal her away from Volstead. She was told Volstead had never won Indy and his car sucked and she needed to get away from him, but she felt loyal and just she couldn't do it. The next race she was in the car couldn't finish. So they're right. So they're right, but at the same time, Richard Petty
Starting point is 00:55:19 went ugly, quote, she's no lady. If she was a lady, she wouldn't be sitting in a race car with these other cats. How great is it that his last name is Petty? I know. It's just some fucking amazing. It's just like you've got to be. Your last name is Petty.
Starting point is 00:55:37 If your name is Danny Sarcastic, you're like, I don't. I'm done. I don't do sarcasm. Why? I just it's a whole thing. It's really bad. It's just a bad look for me. It's a bad look.
Starting point is 00:55:46 It's a different look for me. The owner of the Texas World Speedway began a stop Janet movement. Drivers kept saying a female driver would go slow and get one of them killed, even though she's just whatever. Yeah, even though she's getting movie offers over how well she just did. In Daytona, the paper headline was, quote,
Starting point is 00:56:04 beware, gentlemen, Guthrie's in Daytona. At Darlington, security refused to let Janet enter for practice. They pointed at sign that said no women allowed. Then Richard Petty said Janet had a race under her belt. And if she made a mistake now, the veteran drivers would send her, quote, spinning into the infield. Jesus God. Race track started scheduling her inspection last,
Starting point is 00:56:27 which gave her less time to practice. Drivers started swerving and blocking her. After one race, Kale Yarborough said she had almost wrecked someone twice and that she needed to go, quote, she was trying to prove a point. Now she ought to go home. She will never be competitive.
Starting point is 00:56:49 But then the driver who he said got into it with her was like, no, it was just a normal deal that everybody does. It was it's racing, right? Not everyone treated her like a crazy intruder. Bobby Allison and Mario Andretti said that she had earned their respect. So it's all great. Sure.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Record crowds were turning out. So she's she's fucking selling out all over the place. Tracks are banking cash. It's just after the oil crisis. So spending money on a race kind of a big deal. Janet then got a sponsor, Temp Company Kelly Girl. She's being recognized everywhere. The press is swarming her.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Paul Newman helped her get a Hollywood agent, right? Because Newman's into Newman's big race racing guy. So there's her car now, Kelly Girl. Nice. On the track, she held her own, bumping and going hard against guys like Richard Petty and Carl. She's fucking hitting it on the track. The misogyny remained relentless, nasty letters,
Starting point is 00:57:52 taunts on pit row. And it started to wear Janet down, especially because she had not crashed or performed badly in any race, yet it was not stopping. Well, I would also imagine that if you are in that situation and it's not going anywhere, you are like, at some point, I'm going to have like, there's going to be a mistake. Or like, I'm not a perfect human.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Yeah, yeah. I'm not a rope. So at some point, I will maybe have an issue. And it'll be so blown out of proportion. She's also a fucking rookie. So she's going to make mistakes. But she's not allowed to make mistakes. And she's being given less of a chance.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Yeah. It's pretty much women getting involved in anything. Right, exactly. Especially, right. So she hasn't crashed. It's not stopping. She keeps thinking she's proved herself already. And then she'd wake up and there'd
Starting point is 00:58:47 be another newspaper attacking her. She's like, I fucking have done. What do I have to do? Yeah. Individually, drivers would be kind. But then a week later, we'd tell her to ignore her. She told the press, quote, they're emotionally threatened. I can't wait to blow their doors off the track.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Nice. Volstead bought her a new Indy car, a Lightning. It was a very fast car. But Dick Simon is the number one driver on the team. And he's now in the shadow of Janet who's getting all the attention. And he's also having to hustle to get sponsors. He landed landhead pieces for men
Starting point is 00:59:23 and was forced to wear a toupee as part of the sponsor deal. Oh, my god, what? I've never heard of anything like that. And he wears a helmet anyway. Under the helmet, they'd really like you to wear this. I know, but you know what he doesn't have the helmet on. He's going to walk around with a toupee. He has to.
Starting point is 00:59:42 Why'd you do it? I have no choice. Is that a toupee? It is. It's a sponsor. It's just so bad. Oh, fuck. And you're also around a lot of wind.
Starting point is 00:59:53 It's probably just like, it's not, I mean, I don't care. But it's weird. It's really a weird ass. Oh, god. I'm so. So we got an ED sponsor. I'm not. No.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Mine. We got a condom sponsor. I'm not walking around with a. You are. For what? And there's going to be one on the antenna. Well, that means the toupee people are out at least, right? And we're also putting an antenna on the car.
Starting point is 01:00:22 It's a big condom, the one for your car. It's like six feet. That's going to be hard to drive through. It might slow you down. It will slow me down. But it's a good sponsor. OK. Big hearts.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Great. Great. Good stuff. So. So the. Depository cars here. So this lightning, this new car, is better than Dick Simon's car.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Well, it's certainly better than Dick Simon's deal. And yes. And Simon, he's the lead driver. So he's supposed to get all the best shit. So he doesn't like that she has this new car. And that he has to wear a toupee. And he also keeps blowing up engines. And he has to wear a toupee.
Starting point is 01:01:06 So at some point, Volstead can't afford a new engine. So being the lead driver, he gets Janet's engine. OK. So now she has a car with no engine. Perfect. More fair quality. And she has to pull out of a race. In May, Simon said in an interview with the Chicago
Starting point is 01:01:24 Tribune, quote, if I had the same right as Guthrie, I guarantee you I'd win the race. In my opinion, she's driving the number one car at the Speedway. Switch that. And he said she didn't have the experience to win the 500. And then he didn't have a car he could win with. So Simon and Janet's friendship is over.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Right. She started in the third row at Indy after getting the lightning up to 188 miles per hour and qualifying. Janet Guthrie was the first woman to qualify for Indy. OK. She made headlines across the country. Jane Polly of the Today Show interviewed her and asked, quote,
Starting point is 01:02:03 will you put on makeup for the race? No, no, no, no. Jane Polly, will you put on makeup for the race? No. What all women are wanting to know? God, our fucking press. Never. It'll never change.
Starting point is 01:02:19 It'll never fucking change. I mean, unless we are able to just. It's just relentless. A lot of male drivers couldn't take it. AJ Foyte, who had almost given her his other car now that she's qualified. So he clearly assumed she would never fucking qualify. That actually was what I was just thinking,
Starting point is 01:02:36 is that in reality, there were not two camps of people who were against her and people who wanted to give her a shot. There were two camps, people who were against her and people who didn't want to publicly be against her and wait for her to hang herself and then she'll go away. Yeah, so he must have let her drive the car. Because remember, he took it back after she tested.
Starting point is 01:02:55 So what happened was she went on tested and did well. Yeah, and then he's like, oh, fuck. Oh, no, no, no. You're a threat. Right. Yeah. So there's people who didn't believe she could do it. And then there were people who didn't believe she would do it.
Starting point is 01:03:07 So now Ajay Foy said, quote, she might be able to outrun us if one of us gets ripped, but that's the only way. It's getting, the shit talk is getting weaker. Yeah, it's not great. When the race started, Simon got in front of her and took his foot off the gas. She had to hit her brakes at 170 miles an hour and was clearly worried someone would hit her from behind,
Starting point is 01:03:32 which is what he was trying to make happen. She got lucky, it was obviously insanely dangerous for Simon to do. That's why men can't be out there. Soon after it became apparent something was wrong with the car. She had to pit three times in a few laps. At one point, methanol flooded the cockpit while they were trying to fix the car. Janet was covered in it, but she refused to get out.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Still after pit stop after pit stop, she called it a day. Her her first Indy car race was a disaster, her first Indy 500. But she qualified and thought that would put all the arguments to rest. Of course. Qualifying is a big deal. And I'm sure it did. Janet went back to NASCAR while waiting for Indy racing to start up again. At Daytona, she was named the top rookie.
Starting point is 01:04:16 She made 10 top 10 NASCAR finishes that year, but still no sponsor for Indy. She personally started cold calling major corporation executives. Nothing, hundreds. No one would say why they weren't sponsoring her, just that it wasn't that she was a woman. Of course not. Meanwhile, guys that weren't as close to as good as her were getting sponsors.
Starting point is 01:04:43 It's not that she was a woman. It's that she's not a man. It's a difference. It's nuanced. She got a marketing exec to help her. He called Trader Vicks to pitch her. Okay. Got on a speakerphone call.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Quote, I laid it out to a big group of them, and then they all started laughing like hell and hung up on me. Everyone was passing. So she's selling out tracks. She's making everybody money. She is totally unique. No one in the country will sponsor her. She had hundreds of rejections.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Meanwhile, a ladies home journal named her Sports One of the Year. She was attending tons of galas and ceremonies and being, you know, getting lauded, tons of press. Everyone loves her, but no money, no sponsor. Crazy. And she couldn't race at Indie without a sponsor. Volstead had to sell the lightning because he was running out of money. And then Janet went on Good Morning America and laid out her case.
Starting point is 01:05:52 What kind of makeup are you going to be wearing? Lay out your case. She had performed well as a race car driver for two years. The stands were sold out because of her. She was working the year at Daytona, but she could not get a sponsor. After her appearance, Tex go called and offered her 100K, which is just 5% of what Top Indie teams got, but she can be in the race. She qualified at 15th.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Once the race was underway, she got comfortable and started passing cars. She passed Dick Simon and moved up to 11th. And Janet ended up finishing ninth. Newspapers around the country noted she finished ahead of racers like Mario and Dretty, Johnny Parsons and Rick Mears. Janet Guthrie had proved she belonged. After that 1978 showing, she assumed her career was just kicking off, but Tex go moved on and she was back to cold calling for sponsors.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Amazingly, some of the biggest douchebags were now saying nice things. Richard Petty, quote, she come in just as herself and done a decent job. She come in the hard way because no one really welcomed her. You have to admire her for that. You, dickhole. Even Bobby Unser, quote, I gotta admit I have my doubts about her, but she's proven her point. She can compete.
Starting point is 01:07:06 But why were they saying this? Because she wasn't competing. Right. Because no one would give her money. Two years went by and she was only able to race in seven races. Wow. So a female reporter from the New York Times sought her out because Janet and Alba disappeared.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Janet, quote, what I am made to do is drive cars. I deeply regret that I don't have the opportunity to do so. You tell me why. It was pretty clear the people who ran the sport no longer wanted her involved. So, right, so the people who run NASCAR and Indy are clearly calling sponsors and saying you're not sponsoring this one. She's in bad shape. She can't sleep.
Starting point is 01:07:51 She got diagnosed with depression insomnia, which I've had. It's fucking terrible. You wake up every, you go to sleep for two hours and you wake up and you can't go back to sleep. Quote, I cannot tell you how difficult it was. It was absolutely, totally, perfectly horrible. She said she wanted to throw herself out a window. She moved to Aspen and gave racing lessons and lectures around the country.
Starting point is 01:08:12 When all the asshole race cars heard she was out, they gloated and started talking shit again. Told you. In 1989, Janet married an airline pilot. She still got tons of fan mail. After years, she got over the loss of not being able to do what she wanted, what she was best at, because she was a woman. She relished watching attitudes change over the years.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Dick Simon retired in his 50s and went on to sell yachts in California. Janet's helmet and race suit are in the Smithsonian. She was one of the first elected to the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and she was inducted into the International Motor Sports Hall of Fame in 2006. She's now greeted warmly at Indy when she goes. In 2001, Sara Fisher finished second at the IndyCar 2001 Infinity Grand Prix of Miami. In 2008, Danica Patrick became the first woman to win an IndyCar race. She finished third at the Indy 500 a year later.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Kyle Petty, Richard Petty's son, called Danica, quote, a marketing machine, and said, quote, Danica is not a race car driver. Because normally, a not a race car driver wins a race. In 2013, former Formula One legend Sterling Moss said, quote, I think women have the strength, but I don't know if they've got the mental aptitude to race hard, wheel to wheel. The mental stress, I think, would be pretty difficult for a lady to deal with in a practical fashion.
Starting point is 01:09:43 I just don't think they have the aptitude to win a Formula One race. Richard Petty said Danica, who jumped in a NASCAR late on, could only win if, quote, everybody else stayed home. It's interesting reading the hate of Danica Patrick. Because they're really bitter that she's getting all of these sponsorships, which is the opposite of what happened to the first woman, who is also attractive, and they say it only gives Danica Patrick. But attractive people get more sponsorships.
Starting point is 01:10:31 That's just sort of the way it works. But Danica Patrick won a fucking race. She won an IndyCar race. She also came in third at the Indy 500. So when you say she's not a race car driver, you're a fucking piece of shit. He's a little bitch. He's a little crybaby fucking bitch. A woman who won the race, man up. And that's the end of the dollar.

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