The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 390 - Rob Rhinehart and Soylent

Episode Date: August 6, 2019

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Rob Rhinehart and Soylent.SOURCESTOUR DATESREDBUBBLE MERCH...

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Starting point is 00:00:44 Network. This right here, what we're doing is an American History podcast and each week I, beer drinker, man with ears, angry face maker Dave Anthony, reach a story from American history to his friend. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. It's gonna be about a guy. Yeah all right I already know it. I know this one. And then things get weird. I know this one. We did this one. Yeah it's a guy who does a thing. That's kind of crazy. No, no, no. What happens is he has like weird little childhood trauma and then he gets a little older and then he meets a guy and then he starts reading some shit he shouldn't. Then he gets
Starting point is 00:01:29 stuff he shouldn't and he does stuff he shouldn't and then he probably succeeds for a long time. Well we shouldn't do this one. You already know it. And called it, quote, his jam patch. Jam? I'm the fucking hippo guy. My name's Gary. My name's Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not going to come to Tickly Podcast. Okay. This is like Adam. And a five part coefficient. My room's a place. Now hit him with a puppy. You both present sick arguments. No, sleep down hippo. That's sleep down hippo. Action partner. Hi, Gary. No. I sleep down, my friend. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Jim milieu. Oh,». 1988. Oh, nap. Okay. It's, maybe, the latest one we've ever done? The 80s. 88, like 80s. I don't think we've ever. It's great. I mean, maybe, two boil
Starting point is 00:02:22 Yeah. Well, we've gone into it, but we've never started at that. I mean, that's exciting. Yeah. Rob Reinhart was born and raised in Atlanta. Are you evaluating to see if I know anything yet? Yeah. His father. Doesn't look like I do. No. Okay, his father was a stockbroker and his mom was a stay-at-home mom. Okay, very very religious people. Okay Rob had four older sisters and as he got older Rob spent his spare time building computers and studying astrophysics Just a guy building computers and studying astrophysics, that's normal Rob But Rob just did not seem to get the weird life. He was living quote
Starting point is 00:03:04 I remember when I was very young eating lettuce and thinking it was very weird to be eating leaves sitting in this nice house With all of these electronics around us. What what is this a bunny diary? I think he's talking about salad he's just he finds it weird that I find what you said weird Well, so what he finds weird is the opposite of what what I would find weird which is computers are the weird thing Right eating eating eating eating salad is the most natural thing of all. So he is So he doesn't understand that he's like these make sense, but eating leaves is weird That's an interesting start to all this Dave. He feels like it's gonna track with my earlier prediction He went to a religious high school and was a devout Christian. Okay and tell a senior year. Oh, that's when we all renounce
Starting point is 00:03:54 That's when he read Richard Dawkins and Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens He then wrote an essay for his science class titled bad religion Well, that's probably not gonna go over great at a religious institution absolutely It was about quote why I was no longer a Christian why no longer believe in God His teacher gave him an F. Well, and he says he was then ostracized by the community. Yes Did he not put this through one of his predicting computers? This is pretty much the odds are really high that this is how it's gonna play out His parents were not happy with this turn of events, but eventually learned to quote
Starting point is 00:04:32 Compartmentalize according to him. Okay, and that's good when your parents are carp compartmentalizing your I yes I think for religious family sometimes. That's a reach After high school Rob went to Georgia Tech University and got degrees in computer science and electrical engineering. Okay Upon graduating in 2012 Rob moved to a cramped San Francisco apartment in the so he moved to an apartment San Francisco You don't need to say cramped. No, I had a big apartment in San Francisco. There's big apartments in San Francisco Right. They're just a million and a half dollars, right, but also There that when the startup thing was big and this is obviously way into the startup thing like there
Starting point is 00:05:15 There are apartments that have like 15 people living in them right all trying to do startups, right? Just eating lettuce, but in this case it was just three guys So he formed a tech startup with the goal of creating inexpensive cell phone towers Okay interesting Yeah, right. I so I don't get that because cell phone towers to me. It's it's a metal construction situation, maybe it's trying to make it out of cheaper
Starting point is 00:05:43 Materials, I don't know Maybe the software in there in the right. I don't know how you make cheaper cell phone towers Yeah, I mean their towers or maybe they're talking about the You know the little you see like the drums and the equipment in there. Maybe there's a anyway, it didn't work Wonder why he and two others got but he and two others got 170,000 from Y Combinator for their startup, okay So their idea is not going anywhere. They basically failed and they're down to their last 70,000 Okay, they decided to keep trying out new software ideas until they ran out of money
Starting point is 00:06:24 So now they're just gonna kind of try out different around until they land on something They thought about how to make the money last as long long as possible, right three guys 70k I could make that last a long time Yeah, you start dealing drugs because that basically what I started stand up. I mean, I'm I'm on $70,000 You could stretch that for a while for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, I can stretch that for although, you know Look rents really bad and yeah, I was younger. Yeah, but no, this is 2012. Oh, this is 2012. Sorry. That's here. Yeah He's not still a baby I'm still picturing the 80s. So so these are one of the he's one of the guys who grow into a human he grew up
Starting point is 00:07:05 So, right. Okay. Got you. You're thinking of the baby episode Okay, so 70 grand left and they're just how do they stretch it? Uh, they they're trying to figure ways to stretch the money. They're trying to figure out ways to come up with something though, right? Well, they got the 70 grand, but they're trying to yeah They're trying to think of ways to stretch the money while they come up with an idea that'll make them rich It's a really great plan. It's sure it's something no one's ever done in the history of mankind except every single person Oh, sure trying to get rich Uh, so rent's not going to change rent's very high, right? Uh, they have no social life. They're working constantly
Starting point is 00:07:39 Looking at their budget one thing stuck out food Here we are again They've been eating ramen frozen quesadillas and corn dogs and taking vitamin c to keep scurvy at bay That is that's a bit much. Isn't it? I mean, what are they? Are they seaborn? Where are they? Come on as one does scurvy who they're they're in san francisco worried about scurvy when you I mean come on When you were starting when you were starting out when you were we all got scurvy When you try to break in a show business where you're not taking vitamin c. Oh, I've got I've had scurvy five or six times on the road
Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, that's why I eat so many orange peels Right, so they're living like they're on a ship in the 1600s. Yeah, um, so it's obviously welcome to college pirates How do we get the ramen to cook? So obviously they're not living in a great nutrition situation right rob then started looking at food And eating as an engineering problem this this is okay Here we are again after some study. He determined $5 hot hot hot and ready pizzas from little caesars provided the most energy per dollar Okay, that's horrible to hear
Starting point is 00:08:56 How is little caesars are not using that as their slogan? That's a way better slogan than just a weird commercial um, but After one week of eating only little caesars pizza Yeah, it made him feel quote like I was going to die. Yes that now that there's the slogan that's That's how I feel every time I have little caesars. I'm like I'm dying right this is horrible In january 2013 he switched to an all kale diet
Starting point is 00:09:25 So he is what he's all or nothing because that was really big at that point. Yeah, but with other stuff Yeah, it's really all or nothing that didn't work either. Yeah, uh, he said it left him quote starving Yeah, yeah rob began to resent the fact that he had to eat What is happening right? What are you doing? What are you doing? What do you mean? He he's resenting the fact that he has to eat Okay, so so there's a brain issue here. I think that's not it's not a normal brain situation. Yeah um this but
Starting point is 00:09:59 Engineering brains are very different brains. It's a lot of time alone. It's a lot of time in labs It's a lot of it's a lot of not great social Situations, but so far he is fairly social. It seems right. I mean he's not he's surrounded by two guys And they're just in their apartments tapping land computers constantly. Okay. Okay um Quote food was such a large burden. It was also the time and the hassle. We had a very small kitchen and no dishwasher Okay, still most people have been able to overcome that. Yeah, I actually had I mean when I lived in New York I had like
Starting point is 00:10:34 one one a two Two Burner stove. Yeah, and a sink. Yeah, and I made it work. Yeah I had a friend who lived in a paid a hundred dollars to live in a closet in Milwaukee. Yeah, I mean right this okay I hadn't heard that but yeah, he ate. Yeah, he figured out he had two shirts Rob started thinking that the body doesn't need food just the chemicals and elements that food contains No, boy Quote you need amino acids and lipids not milk itself. You need carbohydrates not bread
Starting point is 00:11:05 Oh Yeah, I think I know what this is. Yeah, I think you do fruits and vegetables provide essential vitamins and minerals But they're mostly water Rob's engineering and not human body. Yeah. Yeah, right So Okay Point point take Rob's engineering and not normal mind began to think that food was an inefficient way of getting what he needed to survive. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 00:11:33 Mm-hmm. It's an interesting conclusion to come to it's arguably the wrong conclusion Well, I mean if you think about nature and how nature works has worked for a long time There's things out there We consume not just us but all animals consume, right? whether that be Plants or other animals and then and then that's how they live. Yeah. Yeah um, so Quote it just seemed like a system that's too complex and too expensive and too fragile only in silicon valley
Starting point is 00:12:02 Is someone gonna put this on trial? You know, we know we're eating do we need that? Is that can we cut that it's food? What the fuck is going on with food? Can we just cut that from the budget? He decided to conduct a human experiment on himself. What would happen if he ate only the raw ingredients the body uses for energy? Rob stopped focusing on software and read textbooks on nutritional biochemistry and the websites of the fda the usda An institute of medicine and when he was done Rob had a list of 35 nutrients required for survival. Okay It's good
Starting point is 00:12:41 Uh, he bought them online. He bought he just bought the raw nutrients in mostly pillar powder form. Okay Um, and then he put You know the right amounts into a blender with water quote. I eventually ended up with a thick odorless beige liquid, right? That's nice. That sounds so good. Yeah, let's eat. Have you tried my thick odorless beige liquid? It was a mix of vitamins, raw potassium, magnesium, olive, fish oil, oat flour How great would it be to kidnap Guy Fieri and only feed him this? It's a flavor town He liked it. Rob liked it. He liked his paste. Yeah, uh quote delicious
Starting point is 00:13:20 I felt like I just had the best breakfast of my life. Well, this is not true, right? No, that's not true I don't know. He's had pancakes. Who knows what a person convinced themselves of. Yes, but he's had pancakes I mean, we've all had pancakes and there's no better breakfast There's literally no better food than pancakes or waffles, french toast something in that wheelhouse. Yeah Uh, but he liked his cardboard paste. Yeah, that's right. It's better One of Rob's roommates was not as down quote. It seemed pretty weird. Hmm Rob consumed only this substance for a month Okay on February 13th. That's crazy
Starting point is 00:13:58 It is that's all he had for a month. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's paste. It's not paste. It's a it's a drinkable liquid It's probably thick. Yeah. Yeah on February 13th 2013. He published a blog post on his website Haven't pooped How I stopped eating food how I stopped eating food. We're just Hurrah We've done it We've taken one of the most joyful things and ended it
Starting point is 00:14:30 Okay Quote, I feel like the six million dollar man My physique has noticed has noticeably improved. My skin is clearer. Okay, my teeth whiter I might be on board my hair thicker and my dandruff gone Well, okay He paints quite a good picture of him before, huh? Just Itching skin all over the kitchen while he looks at a computer bitching about how much eating takes up
Starting point is 00:14:58 My resting heart rate is lower and I haven't felt the least bit sickly rare for me this time of year Okay, so apparently he's usually pretty sickly this time of year. Well, I mean, this is a guy who was worried about scurvy So I think if we're hitting yeah, if we're hitting the fall the dropsy is not returned Yeah, well, that'll happen when you just stop eating food. Yep Uh, he named his food drink soylent. Oh, gosh, I knew it Quote, this is from the blog quote food is the fossil fuel of human energy So I love that he named it soylent Right. The soylent green was a
Starting point is 00:15:35 Correct. So so I think green was a Soylent green was a Soylent green was a Green was a correct. So so I think green is a is a movie That came out early 70s starring charlton heston in which everybody gets rations of Wafers nutritional wafers to survive on and it turns out It's the green ball. Yeah, the green ones are made out of people. Yeah, so yeah, okay So that's a good homage
Starting point is 00:16:03 Right. Yeah, so that's a He later is like backed off of what he's like. Well, it came from the book and blah blah blah, but he knew what he was Naming sure it was okay clear and say the last sentence. She said the food is the fossil fuel of human energy Well, no, it's not fair. I don't know. I would say let's not call it a fossil fuel Yeah, well, that's that's the problem with his thing, right? He's it's a negative connotation, but Human energy, you know You can come from many different things. It doesn't have to be a dirty horrible, right? So he it's always a negative connotation with food, right?
Starting point is 00:16:35 It is an enormous market full of waste regulation and a biased allocation with serious Geopolitical implications and we're deeply dependent on it in some countries people are dying of obesity others starvation Sure. Okay. Yeah, you agree with that. Well, send your soiling to the starving countries then, but you know what I mean How is Trump not told this guy to go back to his country? But that but that's sort of what he's saying is this is a way to to cure all the world hunger So grandiosity is something that affected the well known Elizabeth Holmes. Okay, Elizabeth Holmes documentary. Oh, yeah Grandiosity refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority a sustained She didn't have any of this a sustained view of oneself as better than others
Starting point is 00:17:21 That causes one to view others with disdain or as inferior as well as to a sense of uniqueness The belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people Grandiosity is cheaply associated with narcissistic personality disorder But also commonly features an antisocial personality disorder And the manic or hypomanic episodes a bipolar disorder. Why don't we rename Silicon Valley? Grandias city, I mean Anyway, I don't know why I brought that up. But anyway, Rob's post went viral, of course Silicon Valley
Starting point is 00:18:01 Hey, did eating's gone. It's done. So that's one of my favorite things to do as a human now. You just have paste dude Try it suck it down. No, but I Like there's so many different you only need 30 things like like I have this stuff Just a like an organic blood orange will make me want to cry if it's Yeah, yeah, you're done with those. You suck your paste pack Suck your paste pack, dude. Oh, yeah So charged up You have three extra hours a day to do whatever I want a honey crisp apple
Starting point is 00:18:35 No, dude, shut the fuck up about your fruit dude. It's done. Suck your silver pouch Put the straw on it like a Capri Sun you fucking douche like a really eat your paste a really nice Fall in line pesto pasta in line like a spinach tortellini Only reason to eat an orange or any fruit is to combat scurvy, which our silver pouches now do Thanks to our master Eat your pouch. Mmm Oh shit, man Same thing as yesterday and the day before and same thing tomorrow and the same thing forever
Starting point is 00:19:08 Efficiency Oh, it's so great. I figured out how to be in prison without being in prison. Uh, dude, I'm eating my bars I mean the prison bars, man So the post goes viral Silicon Valley loves life hacking, right? Sure. Yeah coming up way with ways to streamline the things that we have to do in daily life or enjoying. Yep. Yep By March his post is getting extensive media coverage There was a vice article titled this man thinks he never has to eat again In it Rob describes solace potential to change the world
Starting point is 00:19:42 Quote people may giggle when I say I poop a lot less But this would be a huge deal. What do you expect people to do when that's something you're saying in a press release? I poop a lot less sir. We find that funny. How are you? My name is robin. I shit less than you This interview's over. I shit less than you because I'm better Ah, you know, this would be a huge deal in the developing world where inadequate sanitation is a prevalent source of disease But still he had not achieved his ultimate Foodless goal. He was eating one or two conventional meals a week Interesting quote, but if I had any money, he must have felt so guilty when he was eating. Oh, so angry
Starting point is 00:20:27 I think pounding a sweet potato with tears running down his face like I don't need you. Yeah Uh quote, but if I had any money or a girlfriend, I would probably eat out more often I'm quite happy with my bachelor chow. I don't miss the rotary phone and I don't miss food So so one problem weird compares. Well, so one problem here is is not That food it's bad. It's that the american system of food Of agriculture of creating products for people who don't have money is perfect. I'll finish your sentence It's fucking shit. Yeah And and so you when you are poor and you have to eat ramen other say you are not eating well
Starting point is 00:21:12 And it isn't enjoyable Now you can make it enjoyable in those ways to do it, but it's fucking work Well, the truth is that you they're most of the food is processed most of the food that people eat is processed And so yeah, there is like less there if you're eating a shit diet. It does not feel good Caesar's pizza is not little Caesar's pizza. No, I actually remember the first One of the first times I had little Caesars left over in my fridge and I was like it smells like shrimp And I had no idea why no rhyme or reason why but I was like, it's a hard pizza to eat the next day I remember because I'm old but I remember when pizza went from
Starting point is 00:21:51 Having all real ingredients to being this artificial weirdness and it's a very a very clear transition And it was very quick if you look at the look at the ingredients on Pizza Hut or Domino's what the what their pizzas are But you're like, I don't recognize a term in here. It's like diesel methanol. You're like, uh, that's not a good first ingredient is it Obviously the name so that was associated with southern green the dystopian 1970 through me In 1973 a movie that we spoke about, uh, rob was the rob said he was not having a quote Actually, uh, in the original book soylent is made of soy and lentil The movie changed many aspects of the book though. It is still one of my favorite movies. My soylent is human free
Starting point is 00:22:33 Again, I mean again, again, these these brags are like they're not great brag I've never killed anyone yet I mean he named it after so on them for a fucking reason. He knew what he was doing Well, he wasn't naming after the fuck even then isn't that isn't that is that movie not extremely dark and terrible Before its people it is extremely dark the world these paintings the world is the world. It's it isn't it isn't over a populated world it is we have we have The the people on earth have have now Killed the oceans. There is no more fish. There are no more plankton wrote this
Starting point is 00:23:11 What kind of weirdo? And uh, you know, I'm sure and there's rich people living well. They get to get steak and stuff like like, you know Like it reminds me of something reminds me of something reminds me of something so specifically That movie called where we're headed. We're living. Yeah, the people are people are is like overpopulation is a conservative talking point It's also a real because yes. Oh, I got some of that certain people are actually Using up all the resources And it does make places
Starting point is 00:23:43 Seemed overpopulated. It's not it's that's not to say that Yeah, it's not to say that like you need to kill people But it is like we are talking about making a sharp u-turn on the titanic that it's like There's a big problem with our population. Yeah, because not not saying yes Oh, you you oh, absolutely. You could divvy up all resources in a perfect world. Let me know when that perfect world exists until it does This is the this is the reality you're living with Whatever. Anyway, I hate people. It's okay. Did you get some of that this week? Someone sent me a tweet
Starting point is 00:24:18 That I was using conservative talking points. That's what I'm actually using Go read the bookish mile and then tell me it's a fucking conservative talking point You're talking right to me, right? Oh, yeah. Thank you Majority of the media coverage was skeptical business insiders science editor wrote His self-experiment is ludicrous and a most likely dangerously unhealthy. Yeah A nutritionist said quote. Well, you all that that's yes. Sorry. Go ahead nutritionist said quote Generally, I probably wouldn't respond to any of this rubbish. However. I see red flag for a potential eating disorder
Starting point is 00:24:52 He has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to protein digestion Yeah, it is there. Well, first of all Everyone's body chemistry is different and even a nutritionist would tell you there's certain things certain people should have certain people There's certain things other people shouldn't have based on your blood type and shit like that But even beyond that like he did all this like he's not he's not he doesn't know necessarily No, he read some fucking books. He read books and then he put stuff in a blender and he's like figure it out People get degrees in this shit Yeah, another nutritional expert now you make one of these out of people. I'm listening. Yeah, man. I'm talking
Starting point is 00:25:26 Another nutritional expert told the washington post quote He basically made a medical food if he wanted to switch to a liquid diet. Those are already available Well, there but mine comes in a pouch The expert was very concerned that rob had no formal background in health or nutrition Is this just going to turn out to be like blended little caesars? Thank you god. Yeah, okay He also said that while you could technically live a healthy life solely drinking medical food Quote, I don't know why you'd want to right right main point
Starting point is 00:26:00 Main point like the french The french imagine sitting there Like they're there. Sorry. What do you think it's a patch? We uh, what did you giving us this is a food that's not a pate? What's what's the better life? Uh, we're doing what the french do and having like a three hour meal where you're you're It's community and it's hanging out and it's talking and it's enjoying or Creating a food that lets you keep tapping when you're in a computer. Yeah
Starting point is 00:26:29 Yeah, I think we all know it what's better is for people to locally source food instead of yes I added mass because food is a nightmare uh that takes you away from work Who doesn't want to live in a pod like the matrix? Right fair fair rob realized this was something that could become a company As did his roommates their software ideas were then out the window They were in the non-food survival business rob calls farms quote very inefficient factories But it's just it that's such an arbitrary term for farms because some farms are very small Very well done farms and other farms are giant factory farms. It's also like that
Starting point is 00:27:09 I mean he is fighting I mean fully fighting nature you 100% this is a total battle against nature he uh He does not believe what you uh what you do obviously Gareth specifically. Yeah He thinks farming should be more industrialized Well, isn't that interesting? Quote it's the labor that really gets me it's traditionally done by the underclass there's so much walking
Starting point is 00:27:36 And manual labor surely it should be automated. Well, this is the thing. I don't fucking get this I really don't I don't get how How you can make that you know The second that amazon cracks Full on automation full ai It's going to be really fucking bad and crazy and it's really going to and the second the trucks are fully Uh drivable without people. Yeah, what is the plan?
Starting point is 00:28:08 I mean there is none and so the plan is just to continue to scapegoat marginalized people In this country saying that they're the ones who are doing all this stuff when meanwhile It's on your fits in your second backyard Yeah, and and and you know if you if you automate everything like he wants here like if you automate at all Agriculture then what you're saying is what do you do with those people? Well, what is the plan and that well, then you have a guy like andre yang running for president Who's like yeah, you give him all a thousand bucks each well
Starting point is 00:28:36 That's a fucking pittance. It doesn't do shit right a thousand dollars a month the fuck off Well, also, but the amount of people the amount of people that you are going to The amount of people already that are like what the fuck is going on But it's like the foot is on the gas pedal to get to full AI to to automation so that people don't have jobs. I mean Like the All right, take it easy. We're gonna keep going with the story Is there whiskey in the studios that I know it's 10 a.m. Rob?
Starting point is 00:29:02 Persevered and kept on his soylent diet for a second month I can't believe it's only been a month. I know on march 18th. He posted on his website about Month number two on soylent. He said that is great skin fading nails dropping off He said eating solid food was quote a fun leisure activity But come monday. I usually have a strong craving for a tall glass of soylent Uh, he said he was touched by all the concern about his health But that no one seemed to worry about him when he lived on burritos and ramen Okay, well that is a true fucking point and that is what got us here is this the shitty food system
Starting point is 00:29:39 Right. He's not seeing a difference and in some way he is right about that. Yeah Uh, and he ended with the big news quote scars that I've had for years are barely visible now Well, well, well, well, hello, mr. Horse shit. Well, well, well, that's because you can't see as well You can also patch your walls with it And if you pound it together it turns into a softball People who haven't seen me in months say look younger. Am I going to get less scurry? Am I going to live longer? I'm certainly living better and it's all thanks to chemistry Another month of eating soylent past
Starting point is 00:30:17 Um, following followed by another better get scurvy Followed by another post about his new lifestyle He'd previously promised that if he was still healthy after three months that he would launch a kickstarter campaign Oh, finally And he was healthy or as he put it quote zero deficiency symptoms Normal normal talk for us. Say like a human. No normal health talk. How are you zero deficiencies, david? And you you're a bode well I have no negatives. Oh me either no negatives
Starting point is 00:30:54 As far as the kickstarter quote that time has come on may 22nd Son's kickstarter went live and hit the $100,000 goal in two hours We are the worst A one-month supply of soylent 1500 calories a day of powder and 500 calories of fish oil To be blended with water before drinking was 230 dollars or seven dollars and 56 cents a day Yeah, okay or seven dollars and 56 cents a day Now that's all right. That's where I get a little bit confused because So these are guys who
Starting point is 00:31:34 Who don't know how to make food because I can make I can make a meal Or I think I can make meals for under seven dollars a day. I think with pasta and other things per day It's seven dollars seven dollars 56 cents and that's like a for the day. Yeah, that's like a huge But you could like if you needed to yeah No, if it truly if you pasta's grains like there are beans there are things that are out there that are cheap There are vegetables that you can find that are cheap like you can do this. Yes Um, but I don't think these guys have any idea how to cook That's that's probably where a lot of it's coming from. No idea how to cook. I don't think they've ever fucking cooked a meal
Starting point is 00:32:12 Like they get they get frozen pizzas. They get frozen foods That's their idea and then they're like, well, I feel like 20 because 20 bucks a day You're like shit for me on the pizza. It's too expensive Rob's goal was to get it down to five dollars a day Gawker wrote about trying soylent staffers said it tasted quote like someone rung out a dish towel into a glass Jesus Christ and hot and old like cheese Hot and old like cheese that might be the thing you put on the packet honestly
Starting point is 00:32:44 That's the closest that's come to like sounding like okay. Maybe hot and I mean, that's what cheese is if it's not pizza It's hot and old Although one Gawker staffer did like it quote. It was great and I love it. I do not want to eat anymore. What? He said without blinking for five minutes. Yeah, right most excitedly Gawker and other media sources agreed that soylent and physically resembled semen Oh yum How much did you pay for your bag of cum for the week? Is that where this goes he realizes that eating cum is easier. Well, he looks a little like a young steve jobs. Oh god It's cum colored. It doesn't look like semen. Jesus Christ
Starting point is 00:33:26 I mean and your look it's it's that's one of those things too. Once you hear you're like, well, I wish I'd heard that Wish nobody had ever said that because I was able to do it before and now it's just like drinking a blender of cum I remember it's thick Which one What what winked? I didn't wink. Uh, go ahead. Keep reading. Um So none of this slows down the Kickstarter after 30 days. They ended up raising over $750,000 of people who don't want to eat. It is so disturbing the lifestyle that we've created in America That summer rob and his newly formed company rose a lab started preparing to make shipments early the next year
Starting point is 00:34:07 Fortunately fortunately the FDA classified soil and as a supplement not a food Okay, well, this undermines the premise of soil and it is now subject to less stringent regulations Okay Rosa labs is able to mix without meddling from officials in its warehouse space in oakland. FDA has been really good for a long time I had some good shit In october rosa labs landed at 1.5 million in venture capital funding. Okay Hey Congrats
Starting point is 00:34:43 We're gonna make a bunch of cum Uh, that's him Rob move a silent headquarters. They're all the scars. They're gone. All right. No Rob moved to so in headquarters from uh head quarters Uh, rob moves so the headquarters from the bay area to house and studio city in los angeles Rosa labs set sent a beta version of soylent to testers and journalists A journalist from the new yorker went to soylent headquarters carrying a cold pressed juice When rob saw it he said quote
Starting point is 00:35:15 It's kind of archaic Look at the design. It's pretty bad for you. Look at the design. I can't no what? Look at the design of that of that cup of juice you have the design Yeah, it's of your juice. I mean, I don't know. It looks real earthy Pretty green isn't it? It looks rustic and oh did it just come in that cup doesn't come in a pouch Does it even look like cum? I'm just saying it's archaic. That's all it's just like it doesn't even look or taste like cum A month later vice publisher video you got a lot of scars Yes, a month later vice published a video chronicling reporter brian merchants surviving solely on soylent for a month. Wow
Starting point is 00:36:04 Merchant lost 10 pounds of fat and his main negative health effect was vitamin d deficiency But that's not what made the headlines The first half of merchants video was a tour of soylent facilities They need to stop letting people into the facilities if they want to get away with never let somebody to your facilities The space in oathland was a dusty empty warehouse The cameras caught a rat scurrying around the food supply box. That's part of it Rat and all of them stop it. Come on. It's soylent Scurrying around the food supply boxes merchant quote
Starting point is 00:36:39 We were not poking around. We were not trying to do gotcha journalism We had just set up the cameras to run the interview the camera crew didn't even know they had recorded the rat until they were looking at footage later And one of them made soylent in their pants Quote it was right next to the supply Uh the mixing area was not the best workers were mixing piles and piles of powdery soylent in large bins with just Plastic sheets separating the mixing rooms from the dusty warehouse. Oh my god That's like a construction site I
Starting point is 00:37:18 This was all on merchant's first day of doing the diet. So this is the he he he agrees to do the story Oh, cool rats rats and then they're just dust. Oh, great me. So filioma He was concerned but he moved forward because he agreed to do it during his second week merchant was shipped a bag of moldy Soylent. Oh god, how do you even tell? How was it because it had like black mold like it was like mold Yeah, but I mean surely surely you'd be like most shit. I mean it's supposed to look weird It's like a white powder and there's a oh, it's just powder. Yeah, all right. You get the powder But still potentially someone would be like ooh berries
Starting point is 00:37:57 Just like throw it in a blender. Well at that point I want to eat. I might want to eat mold after Yeah, right. So here's uh, finally a change up Um So he he'd agreed to do this diet for a month. So he scooped out the mold and drank what was left What's the fuck? No Or maybe it is uh Maybe they are sending him a drink, but I I think it's I think at this point It's a powder rob respond on his website that the mold was quote due to inadequate packaging that we were testing
Starting point is 00:38:28 The rats should have eaten it In my defense the rats are there to eat that stuff. We've got a system Um He said rose rose the labs was no longer using that production facility and we fired the rat We fired the rat right away. Oh, no The text hired him the text was accompanied by an image of remi the rat chef from ratatouille Wow So, yeah, who's in charge of anything? I mean who this is you know
Starting point is 00:39:03 This is the elizabeth holmes of it all. This is very homesy Um It is astounding Lean into it. I mean lean in it. That is Fucking crazy. Yeah It's also It's so disassociated from reality. Well I mean, how he's how you how old is he? He's he's young. He's got no idea. He's got no idea what the fuck he's doing
Starting point is 00:39:34 But there's something else happening here because even someone who's young knows that that's not But he's trying to joke his way out of it. Obviously. I mean trying to it's not even a joke. It's a it's a fuck you It's a who gives a shit, right? It's a hundred percent who gives a shit Soylent had now moved to a more official factory location in modesta Merchant said the mold was quote illustrative of That they're thinking of the experiment first and foremost and the sanitary conditions second in a uh
Starting point is 00:40:04 Reddit AMA And read it man three days later rob revealed he had a Neodymium magnet implanted in one of his fingers, which he said allowed him to sense magnets and electromagnet electromagnetic fields, okay Everybody run Everybody run What are you saying? He's got a wizard tip
Starting point is 00:40:29 What the fuck is he talking about? I tried to look it up, but it just gets so nonsensical when you try to look at that kind of stuff You're writing that You're not just saying that you're like, I have a magnetic tip that it's am I able to sense other magnets because of it? Like anyway next question. I really tried to figure it out, but it was I just went down worm wall like I can't say again What he revealed? He has a Dynium magnet implanted in one of his fingers, which allows him to sense magnets and electromagnet magnetic fields now. I get it Now makes sense first time I was like, what is he saying now? It's obvious
Starting point is 00:41:08 He's got magnet fingers and he can find other magnets with that and it helps make his smush meal He also said he did not know of any person having a negative reaction to soylent And the biggest risk of soylent was that it quote could potentially be used to facilitate a poor work life balance well Which what you that's the whole point Is it you know, you know your favorite movie? Yeah Rob couldn't discuss it, uh, but he said he had heard from nasa's astronaut office
Starting point is 00:41:41 I don't want to talk about it, but I got magnet hands and nasa's calling Okay, who thinks they're at the top you're wrong. Okay I got a rat working for me. We make powder at the end of 2013 The cost for a month supply of soylent had gone from 230 dollars to 255 dollars They had almost 2 million in pre-orders By april 2014 the message board on the soylent's website had over 1400 do-it-yourself user submitted recipe ideas Included they'll had names like scrawny white boy mix canadian people chow and standing desk diet Jesus christ standing desk diet is the saddest one for sure
Starting point is 00:42:23 It's uh Tired of working so hard. Do you have to sit all the time? Well, now you need to get to stand tired of wasting time eating Well, now you just suck powder in april 30 000 units of soylent powder and oil mix were shipped The reviews poured in how many were to the coast I mean All of it
Starting point is 00:42:47 Reviews poured in the atlantic yeasty and chemically like a vanilla milkshake that traveled through a wormhole and came out wrong Okay, thank you for the ending the new york times a punishingly boring Joyless product from the plain white packaging to the purposefully bland Barely sweet flavor to the motel carpet beige hue of the drink itself Everything about soylent screams function not fun Fair there were a few positive reviews business insider soylent is tasty even dessert like properly mixed soylent has a taste resembling that of a vanilla milkshake Most described it as a dough like a taste. Mm-hmm. And one guy said it's come Oh wait, I mixed those up. Oh, whoops wrong jar wrong jar. By the way, I shouldn't be living alone
Starting point is 00:43:45 It's like a new stand-up the other makes you come in your soylent Who's him? Hello? Yeah In May the new yorker Writer who went to see him with the shirt. She published her lengthy profile of rob She said quote He can seem like a young missionary. He has sharp features a gentle voice and an upright stiff gait Though he is a millennial he has a slightly ageless quality topics such as pop culture and gossip don't come up much with him And he seems unmoved by consumer culture in any form. Yeah, but that makes sense
Starting point is 00:44:22 Like so this is a guy who's just associated. Yes. He's disassociated from our society in a way Rob said he should just said he was covered in scars So many scars so many scars face and hands rob said he was a fallen Libertarian who believed that quote things are worthless cool follow him Uh, so i'm a total nihilist, uh, and i'm making uh food that no one eats So you are attempting to make the movie soylent. Yeah Yeah, it's my game plan. Okay To quote optimize the dressing process. He didn't wash his clothes
Starting point is 00:45:01 He put shirts in the freezer to get rid of odor. Is this kramer? And after a few weeks he threw them out I'm gonna need you to walk me through his process one more time so He he doesn't wash clothes Right off the bat because he's trying to optimize the dressing process. Uh, what does that even mean? You're optimizing the dressing process. What does that mean? What is the flaw we have in the dressing process now? You wash and you fold sure and now that's gone now you put your shirts in the freezer
Starting point is 00:45:34 Well, you don't need your fridge anymore And when you're done with them you throw them away and when you're done new shirt out of the new shirt box Well, yeah amount of questions he's apparently unaware that this totally undermines his labor farm states. Yeah, I mean honestly Like the amount that yeah the amount that a shirt goes into making a shirt. Jesus christ Rob's goal was to design a soylent producing super organism A single strain of alga that pumps out soylent all day quote then we won't need factories His vision is that he has an uh some algae just pumping out soylent
Starting point is 00:46:15 And is this It's not animating this the the world he's thinking of isn't the matrix at all, right? Okay, so he doesn't just picture a big sort of gelatinous plasma Uh, some people vision a world in which they're they're nero breaking out of the pods and destroying The system that the machines have set up while robb's Fantasy is to live in the pod Hello algae We need some more soylent pumped out today
Starting point is 00:46:51 I don't like algae So, uh Soylent headquarters assembled the slightly dated home of a drug kingpin on miami vice It had shiny black floors White sectional couches huge windows and a backyard pool and rob was now becoming used to having a nerd celebrity status Right with the new yorker writer. He went to a caltech dorm and was recognized by adoring students So caltech, so it's a lot of engineering kids Uh, one dorm resident told the new yorker reporter
Starting point is 00:47:25 It would be hard for a non-soylent drinker to live there as quote people would just be talking about their recipes No, no, I know we just be talking about their recipes and shit What is he a is he a chewer you guys a bunch of chewers? Oh man, get out of here. This is not the chewing section. What are you a cow? Go to north dorm if you want to choose south dorms for second it in Other students chimed in quote the first week can be pretty bad because you fart pretty bad Another quote there was like a week when I stopped going to class Rob knew that experience telling them quote. I cleared out a jazz theater once
Starting point is 00:48:09 Is that a scat joke It means that they're doing something they're a body that causes the most noxious farts on I just Like that's a sign that things aren't great. Well This was all being done for liquid food something that had been around for decades 50 years ago hospitals ground up food and put it into feeding tubes Then came products like insure food replacements became more scientific Tang was made famous because astronauts use it
Starting point is 00:48:42 Liquid meals took off that especially with dieters and the eating disordered slim fast Metricle Metricle, I don't know what it is. I've never heard of it and more Told people that you get by on shakes quote a shake for breakfast a shake for lunch and that a sensible dinner Yeah, you remember that? Yeah, Tommy LaSorta So let's life hack was like someone discovering putting an engine on the frame with four wheels could transport humans right, right The chief of clinical nutrition at Beth Israel quote any good nutritionist could put these ingredients in the proper amounts and make such a
Starting point is 00:49:20 Formula the big difference between drinks like insure and muscle milk was marketing Soil was aimed at workers craving efficiency not guys hitting the jam or old people. That's a terrible Target, it is the worst. I mean besides the eating disordered I can't think of a worse thing than than coming up with a food source that allows you to not experience life Yeah, I mean really it is. It's like are you sick of like having to take breaks? No, I'm fucking not what I can't believe we can't get uh Silicon Valley to unionize. Yeah Rob was saying one could survive on soylent alone a former CEO of muscle milk said this was a much riskier approach And no one had actually done it before
Starting point is 00:50:03 That's not a good idea. Food's a part of it. Food's a part of it guys We just want to make sure everyone knows that food is still a part of this whole system a solution A solution uh To continue the life of the modern american worker who is being destroyed by overwork bad died and a hope that's essentially what it is In october rob wrote another website post titled life without water Oh for god's sake Rob
Starting point is 00:50:32 Look, uh, yeah, I wish there was a way to get there So it's like it's like he and his friends have Have discussed the the sort of Inevitability of of the lack of resources that's coming particularly particularly water with what yeah, particularly water and And they're coming up with the worst solutions, right Rather than redistribution and different governments and everything else. They're they're literally Yeah This was about trying to cut his daily water use to four leaders. Wow, okay
Starting point is 00:51:10 This was based on a challenge from a friend What he brushed his teeth without water. He peed in the sink But this come on to avoid The water used for flushing shits. He quote massacred my gut bacteria He ate a do-it-yourself Soil and version with no fiber and 500 milligrams of an antibiotic with poor bio availability This doesn't sound better than water that would stain his gut and kill bacteria This is crazy
Starting point is 00:51:41 Soil and micro biome consultant advised rob not to do it and said it was a terrible idea Well to be fair who's going to listen to anyone who works at Soil But he did it and it worked quote throughout the challenge. I did not defecate Not from his ass He did not write how many days he did this no water challenge He consumed nothing but soil and he averaged two leaders of water used per day. Wow. That's terrible. Good for him Yeah, that's not this. That's not again. I said he's coming up with the worst solutions to Soil and rolled along by the end of 2014 the company had made 10 million in sales
Starting point is 00:52:25 In january 2015 soil and raised 20 million from a vc firm Rob was named to the Forbes 30 under 30 Maybe it's time to get rid of that When you think that's just isn't that just encouraging this sort of ludicrous shit. Yes Yes Yes Three months later. Soil at 1.4 was released the powder now included fat which meant separate oil was no longer needed So it used to be shipped for the powder at all. Yeah, okay in august then came soil at 2.0
Starting point is 00:52:59 Which was a premixed liquid sold in 14 ounce 400 calorie plastic bottles for 200 two dollars and 40 cents each Okay A full day's 2000 calorie supply would cost $12 Okay, so it's going up Adds now a quote while not intended to replace every meal so that can replace any meal Which is saying you can replace every which is saying you don't need it Also, yeah, but what that's saying. Yeah, it can be you can be all you use. Well, this is the dangerous part Right. So what does that say to the eating disorder to people? You don't need food
Starting point is 00:53:34 That's why the muscle milk guy says it's super dangerous Yeah, it was still only sold online on the same day. So I let 2.0 was released Rob wrote an op-ed for airs tech Technica titled how I gave up alternating current We give a what how I gave up alternating current The ocean quote I am electrically self-reliant my home runs comfortably on a single 100 watt solar panel which costs $150. I have not set foot in a grocery store in years Nevermore will I bumble through endless confusing aisles like a packed donkey searching for feed while the smell of rotting flesh
Starting point is 00:54:16 Films by not fills my nostrils and fluorescent lights sear my eyeballs and sappy love songs torture my ears I buy my staple food online like a civilized person. He buys the food online from himself Feels like that could be shortened. He's he's just well, you know now. He's like I'm just better Yeah, I'm a better person. This is that grandiosity. Yeah so he was buying food because he was And also going to restaurants right when he was quote craving company or flavor
Starting point is 00:54:52 Right, okay, but what a great guy to have at a meal They're a better person to go get a bite with And this guy who's going to sit here lamenting the process the whole time. It's like, you know, rob It's really not fun to hang out with you evermore. I mean every every ever since you gave up food You've been pretty annoying to go out to eat with In june rob and june rob started working on a new project He bought land in an unfashionable part of town with no water or electricity hill cups for $21,300 It was near a neighborhood called Montecito Heights in Los Angeles. The land was known to locals as a flat top
Starting point is 00:55:25 Rob put a shipping container on the land that he bought for $1500 and started living in it It relied on solar power had no kitchen or bathroom He brought in a porta potty Okay, so this is where it live in the dream But also he's doing this thing where he's like I'm gonna I'm gonna show everybody how to live Sustainably and then brings in the worst fucking thing which is a porta potty Which use chemicals and are nightmarish. Well, he drinks the water in it. It's better. No more breakfast
Starting point is 00:56:04 But rob was hoping for quote advances in new toilets that vaporize waste Someone else got to do that someone else is gonna come up with the poo laser Well, so you the way I'm visioning this is there There's a toilet and then right underneath the seat is a like a laser the algae covers it Like a like a laser film. No, this is an algae. This is an algae and then when you shit it just She's gone. So there's no water you need in the toilet because it's just being vaporized Yeah, you just probably need another solar panel to get your laser going and let me and let me let me put this out there What's greater
Starting point is 00:56:40 Than vaporizing feces and just having a cloud of feces Yeah, no, you make a really good point. It will create smoke, which is good for the the shipping crate you live in The windowless jail you've put yourself in he'd know it had windows. Oh, okay It had windows. Um rob also got no permits for his new eco home The container was bright red and stuck out like a sore thumb on the top of the hill People living nearby were furious On the neighborhood social media website next door rob told his new neighbors. Hey everybody. I'm crazy and I'm here now and I'm not leaving I live in a crate
Starting point is 00:57:16 I don't eat food. I don't eat food Who has a shit laser that I could borrow does anyone know how to vaporize waste He told his new neighbors. It was an eco home and an experiment in sustainable living Flat top was a spot of the neighbors had tried to preserve for years beating off developers and hoping to turn into a park Oh god. Well, it's sort of as a it's a gathering area now But now there was a bright red shipping container right in the middle rob had a party at which he roasted a pig Who in his crate? I think they did it in the ground like a
Starting point is 00:57:50 But who cares it's food. It's a cool guy. It is food. What the fuck is he doing pork fair? It's fair Well pig roaster cheats. You can have he has a pig roast day once a week He has a cheat day and a pig roast day once a week after the party a neighbor said flat top was covered in trash and pork After a short time the container was covered in gang graffiti the windows smashed out and just bags of garbage were inside I think he's like he's going pretty well There's an experiment Just gangs banging on it at night as he tries to sleep like okay Well, he's I mean he from what I could tell he's gone. It's he's just like back in his apartment. Yeah
Starting point is 00:58:34 Yeah, who knows where he is, but um, it just seems like he's just completely walked away from his great eco experience experiment um Just bags of garbage were inside Neighbors said people were having kind of like saying robbs inside in a way Neighbors said people were having like they would go up there and like like almost people would be fucking inside and they'd run away So it's cool. I mean, I know you had your heart set on a park, but Now you got that a house nearby got burgled for the first time ever. So it's it's inviting. I mean, it's it's a
Starting point is 00:59:10 It's a place where people who are hard on their luck or Obviously gang members are now tagging and tagging and tagging. It's a thing, right? Um, the porta potty was knocked over At least it was empty Just the water Rob was cited for having an abandoned or vacant building open to the public In july kerb published an article titled soylent ceo could face criminal charges for hilltop la experiment What is he? What a what a terrible idea?
Starting point is 00:59:44 What a really? I mean like soil, it's like a crazy idea. This one is a terrible idea Um so So he he denies he denies the nice what he denies the accusations I know I didn't ruin it that neighbors that neighbors said Um We put a shipping crate and oh my god. Oh my god. It looks like a double decker that got taken apart I mean, I mean, so it's it's a shipping container that was turned into a home. There's a door cut out
Starting point is 01:00:14 There's windows, but the windows are all smashed out And it looks like it looks I mean, yeah, it looks it makes it look like a dump like it's graffitied Nightmarishly. Yes. Oh, yeah, it's unbelievable. And so that's like this place. These people wanted to be a park Yeah, well, it's kind of it's a cool. I mean, that's still cool Yeah, no, it is cool Rob said quote there was no evidence of illegal activity taking place on the property He was also not happy about what los angeles was trying to do to him. Be honest quote In la one may not install a garbage disposal without seeking a permit
Starting point is 01:00:46 I feel like I'm living in the movie brazil dude, okay, so So let's just I would just want to clarify something you can install a garbage disposal without a permit. Oh, well, that's interesting next next So he can't put a shipping container wherever in the fuck he wants Yeah, and and porta potties. Yeah, and that this was america is the same as the movie brazil. Yeah, I thought this was america Yeah, do you have a twitter? He yeah, I can't wait to follow it. He then
Starting point is 01:01:23 Said he was thinking of buying more land on flat top to protect it from Destructive development. He defied city orders to remove the container Now that moves sense to me like a guy who realizes that he's just shot himself in the foot looks like a moron and now he's like Hey flat top. Good news. I'm your savior. I want to save the land. Yeah, it's just being a or else It's just another fuck you like it's just like I'm gonna buy more land. Yeah, like he's fucking with them either way A guardian a guardian reporter visited the site and said the container had a charred mattress shattered windows empty jars of organic coconut oil Rob told the guardian quote my home was graffitied and the windows were smashed
Starting point is 01:02:03 And these coconut people came in that's my fault. I did that I'm just the guy who put the crate up there and left it and put a bed in it On july 29th the city filed criminal charges put a bunch of oil that could be used as lube potentially if people were to think that way So they filed criminal charges against him The city on july 29th for counts of construction and grading without permits zone Code violations and failing to comply with orders from the building and safety department If convicted he could be sentenced to two years in jail and pay a four thousand dollar fine Okay
Starting point is 01:02:37 Just hours before the charges were filed. Rob had the shipping container removed a couple of days later He issued an apology. So so he gets a play libertarian I could do whatever the fuck you want and then when the real world comes crashing down on him I'm sorry I'm sorry. Look at that. It's cute. It's a cute area quote I would like to offer my sincerest apologies to my neighbors who I upset as a first time property owner the container He didn't own property as a first time property owner. The container was meant to be an experiment in sustainable housing
Starting point is 01:03:09 In the future, I would ensure that I do my due diligence with regard to all city and neighborhood regulations flat Top hill is a jam of los angeles and I intend to Make only positive contributions to the neighborhood and community going forward. So he's just trying to get out They would like you to leave They don't want your help. They're good. He's just trying to get out from under the The charges he's facing Despite because he denied he denied doing he wouldn't do anything. He wouldn't right. Yeah He was selling all the fuck off and then charges a good file. He's like, I'm sorry. I'm trying to help
Starting point is 01:03:41 Despite the running with the city Rob is still doing well He said in late july that his company was valued at more than 100 million dollars. Wow And he drew a modest salary a coffee flavored version of soy that was introduced named coffeeist after a dangerously habit forming drink From a 1952 sci-fi novel the space merchants On theme Then in september soylent entered the solid food arena. Oh, finally hot dogs now Now caramel flavored soylent bars offered the same complete nutrition But in a lighter more portable form factor
Starting point is 01:04:20 Soylent bars were said to provide one eighth of an average adults recommended dietary needs at $2 a bar a full day would cost 16 So now they're making food like they're heading towards food The next month people began complaining that soylent bars were making them sick Quote after eating a bar in the middle of the day, I became very nauseous and had awful diarrhea another quote. It's working That means you're sustaining weight loss You're in ketosis another quote the worst vomiting episode I have ever experienced On a message board thread over on their site on the soylent site because they gotta have message boards, of course Over 20 users reported getting sick from the bars a soylent rep told gizmodo. They were aware of that sentence. You just started
Starting point is 01:05:11 It's time to go it's time to go Uh, he said that they were aware that a limited number of instances of indigestion or discomfort were happening But the company was still very confident in the safety of the bars a week later. Soylent were called all Oh my god And urged customers to throw out any bars they'd bought burn them burn the bars Just quick fire the bars and run away from the fire you've lit You probably shut down your home for two weeks and that you obviously you know And if you don't know you're barren you're all barren. There'll be no offspring for you
Starting point is 01:05:43 You chose to eat a two dollar meal replacement. Your site will slowly go away over a two year period Which is a good thing. That means you're sustaining optimal auditory Rhythms your skin is gonna slough off And your hair will be gone. Then you will finally be ready for the matrix goo. This is right And then we'll put you in the matrix goo and then we're gonna have a soylent response. It's gonna be great We're doing a Kickstarter. Soylent skin. Soylent skin. It's time Boilants male soylents. We've got an army of them. They're genitalists bald
Starting point is 01:06:19 Hairless figures who do nothing but want to help and serve you and feed you the soylent Three weeks later soylent stopped all powder sales. Hey, all right, listen We have made some changes in that this shouldn't be We've decided and the Biggest change we're gonna make is we're done doing anything because uh, it's just crazy bad and not going well And everybody's farting a lot and you can't live in a crate on flat top pretend to be the mayor Because you want to Anyway, I'm 24
Starting point is 01:06:58 More customers that fall on ill from the powder guys stop using this shit. We've taken it back A week and a half later so on announced that an algae flower was what was sickening Uh, people eating the bar and powder users. That's right. Wrong flower The company said it would remove it from future products and sure enough a new powder version with Who's hanging around at the soylent party now ready for more product? When I it it goes on sale mid-december It this coming december. No, it went on sale that december Um, so the soylent bars never returned just the powder and the drink
Starting point is 01:07:35 Um, there was more trouble in april 2017 as soylent recalled 890 boxes of powder after a milk Containing product was handled the jason to soylents vegan powder A third party manufacturer was blamed that month rob deleted all posts from his website and replaced them with a Ralph Waldo emerson passage about how quote we have no questions to ask which are answerable unanswerable We have no cool We have no questions to ask which are unanswerable. Is that the right thing to put on? I mean for someone who we have endless questions for he just gives no fox. Yeah, he gives no fox With all this amazing success in may soylent landed another 50 million in vc funding. I'm happy for those guys
Starting point is 01:08:21 Two months later 18 7 11 locations in los angeles were selling bottled soylent And this was the first time soylent was sold offline. The trial was successful. So I expanded into 7 11 locations along the west coast But in october canada banned sales of soylent after the canadian Food inspection agency said it quote did not meet a select few of the requirements for a meal replacement Once again as we've seen many times What is allowed in america is not allowed around the world. Yeah Naturally rob disagreed after all he had no degree in nutrition or understanding of the human body still he released a statement quote These requirements do not reflect the current understanding of human nutritional needs
Starting point is 01:09:02 He said to the government body full of scientists. Yeah, you take issue of that. This guy lived in a crate and didn't go one Two months later on december 12 2017 rob published a blog post on soylent's website titled soylent's next chapter Uh, please can we get to the epilogue? It began quote if you love something set it free rob was stepping down as the ceo of soylent Whoa Who nobody knows why? rob remains Herbalife
Starting point is 01:09:33 Rob remained soylent's executive chairman two months later. He said he was still involved and that the brand was close to his heart Soilent was now being sold at over a thousand seven eleven locations in april It was introduced to walmart and another change in december 2018 a main rival huel introduced its first pre-bottled meal replacement All protein dot com did comparisons and said huel was superior as far as ingredients But the big problem with huel is they quote absolutely cannot stand the taste of huel Soilent launched in the uk in september 2018. Jesus christ This is not the direction. I wanted this to head in
Starting point is 01:10:10 At the beginning of this year rosa labs introduced soylent bridge It is a 18 180 calorie bottle beverage marketed as quote an in-between meal It's what you reach for when you're facing a snack trap Which is that space between meals brimming with empty calories tasteless foods and unfulfill unfulfilling snacks You know what would be a good thing it would be to invent meals You know what i reach for uh foods foods carrots foods It had a bit of a bit of protein and fewer carbs than regular soylent 2000 calories cost $24 so
Starting point is 01:10:46 Mm-hmm. The price goes out. Yeah, so it was so it's most expensive product per calorie people on the soylent sub subreddit Said it tasted like a watered-down version of soylent. Hmm interesting, which is exactly what it was probably the most up about a review Called it a quote half a bottle of soylent for 75 percent of the price By april 2019 soylent was sold at over 20 000 locations across the country and soylent jumped back into bars with soylent squared At a dollar each 2000 calories would cost $20 the new york times wrote quote for fans Soylent squared represents an obvious if modest next step from liquid to solid To the rest of the world soylent squared is a snack size protein bar. Yeah They cracked it
Starting point is 01:11:31 Uh July Uh july 8th 2019 rob tweeted for the first time in almost four years Whoa, it was a link to a new post on the reactivated rob reinhardt.com titled visualizing the large-scale structure of the cosmos He was announcing a magnet finger again. He's announcing a new personal project It aims to quote stimulate Oh simulate the universe from scratch with snapshots of the 100 000 most massive dark matter halos
Starting point is 01:12:02 This should give us a general picture of the cosmos It can be found at cosmos dot rob reinhardt.com It is a web page with a black background behind 100 000 unlabeled the other dots that form a rough three-dimensional cube Users can rotate the cube and zoom in on it a week after rob tweeted the link It had eight likes and two retweets One of the three people who had commented asked quote are you now conquering Astro after conquering the nutrition problem rob has not responded Sales of soylent in canada have not resumed rob reinhardt will continue to life hack with his amazing grandiose beliefs quote
Starting point is 01:12:44 How many humans in history were even getting broccoli or tomatoes? He's just saying he's changed things so much that In history, how many people were getting these things that they say we need like broccoli and tomatoes I still don't understand what he's saying. He's saying that not everyone in history got broccoli or tomatoes So you don't see yeah, they survived so you don't need broccoli or tomatoes Right, okay interesting. Well, what a legacy Oh, he's just beginning We haven't seen the last of rob reinhardt
Starting point is 01:13:17 good I think the I think the biggest the biggest So for me, this is just like america and we are And we've talked about this before we are living life So incorrectly that it is mind-boggling The worker should be fighting for less work The labor should be valued to At a much greater
Starting point is 01:13:43 Rate obviously right now labor is not valued at all in america so When the laborers are doing the work of management Which is to make yourself work endless hours to create whatever You're literally just fucking yourself. Like there's this mindset of just I have to keep working. I have to keep working I have to keep working when the goal should be To work the least amount as possible and live a happy life and get to take care of your needs well the
Starting point is 01:14:16 It feels like we're at a point where two or like People are worked so hard that they don't have time to even protest how bullshit everything Because it's like you have no wiggle room Most americans can't afford like no every dollar emergency. Yeah, so really. I mean, what are your options, you know? Well, all right. That's another fun ending Bye. Bye. I wonder if he listens. Oh god. I can't think about that shit

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