The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 395 - Marie Dorian

Episode Date: September 10, 2019

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine total badass Marie DorianSOURCESTOUR DATESREDBUBBLE MERCH

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Aaron? Oh boy. Or are you? Come on Dave, be professional. This is a bi-racial American History podcast. Now each week I, man with knees, lover of all docks, sometimes roller on the grass. What do you do? Dave Anthony. What's your problem? Breeds a story from American history. Family. To his nemesis. Get rid of the Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is gonna be about and I'm not your nemesis. Stop saying that. You don't get to choose. I do too. You don't get to choose if you're my nemesis. I choose my nemesis. I just think it's a weird choice. Really? Yes, it's a very weird choice. You think about all the shit you've put me through? What have I done to you?

And called it quote is jam-packed. Jam-packed? I'm the fucking hippo guy. Dave, okay. My name's Gary. My name's Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to Tick-A-Lick podcast. Okay. This is like Ad-A-Tick. I'm a five-part coefficient. My room's a place. Now hit him with the puppy. You both present sick arguments. No sleep, no hippo. That's like no hippo. Actually, partner. Hi, Gary. No. I sleep done, my friend. No. No. Ronda. Ronda in the car. Uh, 1786. Okay. Or 1792. Alright. Somewhere in there. Okay. Marie IOE was born into the Iowa tribe. Okay. Possibly in St. Louis, in the Missouri area there. Sure. When she was still a teenager, she married Pierre Dorianne Jr. Okay. Pierre was the son of the French impersonator, uh,

sorry, interpreter. Oh, Dave. You know which one I want it to be. Oh, that's right. They bought it. Gentlemen, they bought it again. The French interpreter who traveled with Louis and Clark on their expedition. Uh-huh. So, uh, Pierre Sr. was, uh, French Creole... I'm starting to worry that he's not French. What is the worry? What? Too big? Too small? What are you after? Huh? Me and the French? I'm an interpreter, for God's sake. Uh, Pierre Sr. was French Creole, a descendant of the Acadians, who we met in the previous episode. Uh, he traveled the western frontier and spent time with different Native American tribes. He married a Sioux woman, and they had children, one of whom was Pierre Jr.

So, Irving, uh, uh, I should say the name, Washington Irving, wrote a lot of this. Okay. Uh, so he wrote, um, that father and son would sometimes drink together and then get in fights when they got older, not when he was a baby. Sure, not when he was a baby. Yeah, well, would not surprise me anyway. Uh, Pierre Jr. often won those fights. Okay. If you can beat a real man, that's cool. Yeah. Well, you don't have that addiction to alcohol that he has, so you can just get a buzz going whereas he's like, I did not remember this. Pierre Jr. grew up married a woman from the Yankton tribe, uh, named Holy Rainbow. Nice. Alright.

That name came from, that's like the guy that saw the double rainbow, Holy Rainbow. That guy. That guy's the best. Double rainbow guy. And the best part, I think, is I believe at one point he thinks it might be a triple rainbow. Yeah, that's right. And there's a fleeting moment. There's a second there. It's almost a triple, right? It's more of a double. So, uh, then he, uh, then Pierre Jr. abandoned Holy Rainbow. He was out. Okay. Uh, she was out of me. Um, his second wife, uh, he married again, Marie. She was about five feet, five inches tall, kind and very patient.

Uh, they had two sons, Jean Baptiste and Paul. Very French. Sure. Yeah. Pierre was looking for work as a guide or interpreter. Or an impersonator. Or impersonator. Right. Uh, John Jacob Astor wanted to establish a fur trading post at the mouth of the Columbia River. Okay. Astor had made a fortune from killing animals for their fur around the Great Lakes. Awesome. Well, I put that part in, but that's what it is.

It's great. Yeah. So he was just doing like a apocalypse of beavers. It's very cool. Uh, now he wanted to do the same thing on the coast of Oregon. Great. And hoped to control the fur trade with Asia. Okay. It's great. Right. You can send, you can send animal skin over to, uh, another country.

Fantastic. The expedition Pierre got a job on was to identify locations for fur trading posts. So Astor created the Pacific Fur Company in June, 1810. He managed the business from New York and he sent two groups out West. One by sea on the ship Tonkin, uh, with supplies and people to start trading. And then another group were to go by land and set up fur posts on the way. And then they would meet at the place, the boat guys had set up. Okay. I want the boat job.

I'll be the boat guys. I'll be the boat guys for sure. Boat guys all day long. Yeah. Just got one fur trading post to worry about. Yep. Yeah. The expedition left St. Louis and was led by Wilson Hunt, who had zero experience traveling in the wilderness. But his name's Hunt or trading with Native America. He's got to know.

It's just a gut. It's a family thing. Yeah. You wouldn't understand. You're an Anthony. I don't know. I don't know. He's like a bloodhound.

My name is, You get him out there and he's just like, Six cents. Yeah. He's like a wolf boy. Yeah. Yeah. He just gets out there and all of a sudden is.

So you don't need like any experience or knowledge or anything about being. It's like my last name, Reynolds. Nobody can deal with leftovers better. And I didn't know that when I had the name. It was just when someone was like, Oh, we're going to toss this quiche. I go, you don't need to toss it. And I put a bunch of foil around the thing that it was in and I put it in the fridge.

And then you know what happened two days later? What? They ate more of the quiche. Wow. It's like the oil. Sometimes. It's like Hanukkah. I don't know.

Sometimes the stories are bad. Well, you've got to write a lot of these. It's not your fault. Pierre was picked because he was good at business. I mean, Hunt was picked because he was good at business. Okay. That's the guy you want leading. They picked him to go.

It makes sense. It makes sense. Yeah. Okay. And Hunt was only 29 years old. So this is the guy. Yeah. Young and experienced.

He's got a business mind. Get him near trees. Graduated from Dartmouth. Perfect. He's ready to go. This is the guy. Yeah. Let him be the one who tells you how to build a shelter.

So the main trading post at the fork of the Missouri River was continually harassed by Blackfeet. So much so that the commander, Mr. Henry, had to abandon the posts, cross the Rocky Mountains in order to set up a new trading post along the Columbia River. Nobody knew what had become of him. Okay. So he was working for, that was sorry, that's the rival trading company. It was two trading companies.

Okay. So the first one is the Pacific Fur Company. That's the one that they're going to set up. Right. And his one is which one? This is Mr. Henry. Okay. And Mr. Henry has set up, I think it's the British Fur Company.

It doesn't matter because they don't end up being around very much. Okay. But it's a rival company. Sure. And so this guy set up a fort and then the natives were like, hey, what if you're not here? Uh-huh. And he bails.

No one knows where he went. Okay. So it would be great if he knew that he'd been killed by, you know, Native Americans, sure. So, Hunt arrives in St. Louis. It would be great if like in the pelts, they just saw Hunt's skin. Oh, dear Lord. Well, I think we've found Hunt.

Just a face. Just trading him. Some guys, you know, some guys just go wearing it over like a shawl. I'll tell you, this thing really keeps the warmth in. I don't know what's going on. And then it's got this hood feature. Oh God, that's Hunt. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I am aware. But if you see, we've cut this jaw out. So it's kind of like a hoodie. Hey. Hey. Look, watch this. I'm pushing through the woods, I'm a businessman, I know everything.

I'm just kidding. It's actually, it's still me under here. I like it. It will take 10. Yeah. Well, unfortunately. Oh God, what did I do? What did I do?

Larry, run. Hey, it's me, Larry. I'm kidding. It's me again. Hey, Larry's been dead for a week. So Hunt arrives in St. Louis. Sorry, Henry worked for the Missouri fur trading company. That's the rival.

The fur trading company, Missouri, they're both just killing animals and doing stuff, selling it. It's cool that you can just go out in nature and kill something and sell it. Well, because it's yours. Yeah. It's not like it belongs to nature, but it's you because you found it and you got to kill it. No.

Treat it like a shopping spree. Take everything, leave a husk. That's right. So Hunt is preparing an expedition, and also another man for the Missouri fur trading company is preparing an expedition, Mr. Manuel Lisa. Okay. Mr. Lisa. That's right.

And he's going to go look for Mr. Henry. Okay. It was very unusual for there to be two expeditions at the same time, but you know, the competitors be competing. And they're both going to set up trading posts. Yeah. Okay. But in the same area, one is going where Mr. Henry flea, the other one is going there

with the purpose. Right. So it caused a big demand for hunters and explorers who worked the competing situation for higher pay and advances. Quote, the greatest difficulty was to find a Sue interpreter. There was one man at St. Louis, a half breed named Pierre Dorian. Okay. There's our boy.

Yeah. Pierre had worked for... Nice. It was called a half breed. Yeah. I had to cut out a lot of it. I'm shocked. It was fucking endless.

I found the literature of the past to be quite sense. Every time there's a quote, it's like, I get it. I get it. I get it. He had a... And what that means? Pierre had worked for the Missouri, for a company the year before and was a very good employee when sober.

Sure. Okay. So the fights with the dad, the drunk fights... They paid off. Sure. But he liked to drink a lot and when he did, his bad side came out. I feel like... Bad Pierre.

Potentially a bad hire. Quote. Oh, no, it's bad Pierre. What does he want to say to me? Fuck you. Quote, while working for the Missouri company on the frontier, he had been seized with a whiskey mania. He...

By the way... That's not something you hear a lot. And it's time to change the name blackout to whiskey mania. You blacked out at the wedding. I didn't have blackout, I had whiskey mania. I mean, that's what we should start a new podcast. Whiskey mania. Did we just drink whiskey?

Sure. Oh my God. And since... That'll be history time. Yeah. Oh, God. The beverage could only be bought... It'll be great when we rip off our own podcast.

Well, then we'd be ripping off Drunk History, which is a great podcast for people like parents to watch. And since the beverage could only be brought at the company's store, it had been charged to his account at the rate of $10 a quart. Okay, that's it. So it's a company store whiskey, he likes to drink, he's been running up a tap. So he's just running... He's drinking...

Okay. Ten bucks a quart. That's a lot. So his debt was not paid, and this became a heated disagreement, because he no longer works for the company. Right. Just the mention of the dispute sent Pierre into a rage. Okay.

So he's sensitive about his drinking problem, essentially. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah. Mr. Lisa's threats over the whiskey debt drove Pierre to work for the rival Pacific for trading company, Mr. Hunt. That's interesting when your job decision making is based on whiskey access. And whiskey debt. And whiskey debt, and the debt you previously worked up.

He negotiated a very good deal with Mr. Hunt, $300 per year, $200 to be paid in advance. Okay. Pierre now had a job as a guide and interpreter heading to the Pacific Coast. It ran in the family as his dad had worked for Lewis and Clark, as I said. But just when Hunt's group was about to leave, St. Louis, five American hunters arrived and alleged they had been treated poorly by Aster's company. Okay. They refused to travel with Mr. Hunt and told all the others about the suffering and dangers

they had faced on their expedition. This caused all the hunters who had signed on with Hunt to panic. Okay. I sniffed some theatrics. Well, then he had to pay them all more. Okay. Oh, well, here we go. They all go, but the first one...

Well, once you get down the river, you're all going to have to pass the cerebus. What? The cerebus. The cerebus? Yes. I'm sorry. It's like a three-headed dog, but it's got riddles, so you'll ask riddles. It asks riddles?

Yeah. It's a three-headed dog that asks riddles. That's right. And it's down the river? Down by the river. Yeah. And if you get past... Down by the river?

Yeah, yeah. And if you get past that, you got to have sex with the fish man. He's half-man, half-fish, but it's not in the way where you'd picture him to be like a merman or something where he's got like half of his bottom. It's like every four inches of scale or skin, and it keeps alternating. It looks like zebra straps. So you get past cerebus with riddle, right? What about the part?

Then you got to go to fish man. You have sex with fish man. Okay, but does fish man have a part or...? Fish man has all the parts. He's got fish and man parts. Okay. So you figure out my advice would be go, you know... Did you have sex with fish man?

I have had sex with fish man, not this one. So there's other fish man out there? I'm a regular traveler. I go through a lot of this. You know, we've never heard anything about this. Well, it's crazy, but then once you get past fish man, know what you got to do? What? Spend a night in the haunted drawer.

Okay, so we're just going to take off. We're not really buying the whole thing anymore. Sometimes you take it too far. How about this? Give me $50. Why don't you tell me this? Where's the haunted drawer? Is it in Wyoming?

Like, where's the haunted drawer? It's in Wyoming. Is it like comes out of the side of a mountain, like how does the haunted drawer work? What's the... It comes out of the side of a mountain. And then what happens? What's your next guess? And then you get in it.

That's right. And then someone closes the drawer and then you're in the mountain? Yeah. But it ain't a regular night. But it ain't a regular night. No? Why not? Well, you're going to draw in the mountain.

Stupid. What's with this guy? I don't think he's ready to lead y'all. Okay. Okay. So, look, I'm a businessman and I know bullshitters and I think you're full of shit. I don't think there's a three-headed dog. I don't think there's a fish guy with a dick.

You don't think there's a fish man? Yeah. I definitely don't think there's a drawer. A haunted drawer. Not just a drawer. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Well, more power to you, Mr. Good luck. All right. See you later. All right. There are clown faces and you have one. I know. Boom. That's hardcore.

I'm really getting at you. Yeah. Clown face. All right. All right. So, anyway. Are you leaving? I just don't know what to do now.

Oh, okay. Well, I'll walk this way then. Okay. All right. I'll see y'all later. Okay. Sorry. I thought the bit was over and then I was still here.

So, I didn't even know. I'll see you later. So, all right. So, the bear made a deal. He would get on the boat and he was the first guy to make a deal. If Mr. Hunt agreed to let him take his wife, Marie, and their two kids. Okay. Who were like two and five, I think.

Great. Perfect age to pass away on a boat. That's what, yeah. Like she must have been like, wait, no, how's that the deal? I figured it out. You can come with us. I like to have sex when I'm out hunting and doing stuff, when I'm traveling dangerous mountains and through horrible streams and fighting bears.

I want to hear what's wrong, I want to fuck. Plus, my whiskey mania kicks in. Quote, the evening after they left, the fur expedition, so all the other guys signed back on, learned that a warrant had been issued against Pierre Dorian for his whiskey debt. Well, this whiskey is really chasing him. And Mr. Lisa intended to entrap the interpreter upriver at St. Charles. So Pierre heard about the warrant on the way up on the boat and he takes off, they let

him off the boat, he takes his family, gets off and he heads into the forest. And again, for the family, probably cool. For the family, probably exciting to know that the original plan that was a little off kilter has now been thrown out the window and now it's just time to get off the boat and run into the middle of the forest with your two-year-old. Yeah, it's not, look. It's pretty cool. I feel like he's not the best family man.

It's like accidental camping. Who doesn't want to do that? It's, yeah, it's like accidental camping. So he takes off and the boat, her husband's boat goes on. And probably again, a really good feeling for the wife. She's loving this. She's like, the boat's gone. It's official.

We're just here. He's got no plan. He had no plan. Total freedom. And we're doing this because he drank too much whiskey. That's right. We're in the woods now because of his whiskey. We ended up in the middle of the woods with our children because he caused the whiskey

debt so high they're going to entrap him. Marie was, quote, laden with their papooses and a large bundle containing their most precious effects, promising they would rejoin them some distance later. The expedition party reached St. Charles in the afternoon, of course, Pierre was not on board. Right. The lawman did not find Pierre and St. Charles. The boats continued the next morning.

They had not gone far when Pierre appeared on the shore. Okay. Hello. Yes. We ate the middle one. Alone. Oh boy. They took him back on board and apparently things had not gone well with his wife while

they were out in the woods. Now Dave, let me tell you a place where you're not allowed to tell your wife or your children that they're stressing you out a little bit and leave them is when you're in the forest on a whiskey run. Okay. Go ahead. When you're basically... I kind of hear you but I kind of don't.

On the whiskey lamb and you're abandoned your family because they're probably annoying you about what you've done. Like you're out there and they're like, I want food and I'm cool. Yeah. And you're just like, uh, uh, shut up. So yeah. So what had happened was they had gotten into a fight probably because she didn't want to be out in the woods.

She was probably sore about having to get off the boat and go to the woods. So what happened was he, quote, they had a quarrel in the night. Their head administered the Indian discipline of the cudgel, which means he beat her with some sort of stick. She didn't dig that and she took off into the woods with their kids and all their stuff. Oh my God. Turns out she didn't, she didn't like that. Yeah.

Pierre apparently felt... Think about how big of a douche bag you have to be for... Your wife to run off in the forest. All right. We're going to go this way. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Maybe we'll find a better husband.

But that's like a real thing, but I've never heard of that with Native Americans, I'm sure. It was just him being a fucking douche bag. Right. Right. Although there is right here something called a burl cudgel, but who knows? So Pierre feels terrible as every fucking jackass who hits his wife does. Oh no, I feel bad. He's upset she's gone.

She also took his knapsack, which was upsetting too. Sure. So, but Hunt could not wait for a marital issue to resolve and they moved on. And they take Pierre and they move on. Yeah. Right. That night, Pierre... They just leave his wife and children...

Well, there's nothing, because they don't know if she's ever going to come back. You know, they can't, you know, I don't know. The time is money, right? Sure. That night, Pierre said he slept terribly upset by what he had done, but before sunrise he heard Marie calling from the shore. Marie had been wandering in the woods all night looking for the party and she eventually found them because of their fires.

The expedition continued on as she got on the boat. The expedition continued on, but they're very heavy rains making it slow and dangerous. So the party continued to grow as other boat crews joined them. So by April, they were 26 people. That part I don't really understand, but I guess that's what it's like on the river out in the middle of nowhere. Well, there's a bunch of water hitchhikers. You just roll up and go, can we go on your expedition to kill beavers?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on. We're just out here floating around in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, that's crazy. Get on here. Yeah, this is normal. We're normal. We're normal guys. That's great.

I trust you. Looking to hook up with some other guys. Hey, we're all here having a good old time, my man. Out on a boat. We're not going to kill you at night. No, no. Why would we do that? We kill beavers.

Sure. We're not going to hit you in the head and drop you off the side of the boat any chance we get. That's no way. We're not too worried up here. I'll tell you that much. This guy left his wife and kid in the forest for two days, so, you know, we're not the best either.

I don't think you should compliment him on that, but get on here, boys. I don't know how things work. Let me show you what we put up most of the valuables. It's right here in the middle. Hey, look at that. A lot of the stuff is here. A lot of the stuff here. Weapons.

I like visualized me hitting you with a club right above your eye. Well, that reminds me. This is where we keep the clubs, and they're coming very in size. You got small, you got medium, you got large. This is a bigger one. I'm going to watch you bleed. Yeah, you can do that. And then, yeah, here's rags, clean up the murder, whatever it is, whatever you're into.

Leave you to the fish man. Sure, however you guys feel like doing it. It's just nice to have company. Fish man, I hump you. Yeah. That's how fish babies are made. Sure. Oh, okay.

More of the fish guy stuff. Well, whatever. So they went, they found a friendly Native American village. Now they were given meals, and a party was held. After the party, they left the next day, and a commotion broke out. Sure. Turns out Marie enjoyed being at the village and wanted to stay there. Of course.

Of course. Pierre was not. Because you know what had happened? There's an option B. Yeah, anything but, anything but going, whatever it is. Going off. Look, there's no other women on this boat. Let me tell you what she... There's 25 dudes and a lady, by the way.

Great movie. Oh God, terrible. Nightmare. Nightmare. But also, she just chose to go to the forest alone. She didn't choose. Well, yes. She didn't want to go on the forest alone.

Right. But she chose to walk away from him. Oh, when she ran off. Yeah, yeah. When she ran off. So this is a much more enticing option. It's... Imagine...

It's other people. It's other people. Let's take the wilderness out of this. Sure. Let's just go with the 25 dudes and a lady on a boat. Yes. You're out. Yes.

As a lady, you're out. Yes. Yes, you're in time, you're just getting eye-fucked all day by these blue dudes. And she wants to stay with these nice Native American people she just met. And Pierre was not down with that and he forced her on the boat. He was possibly a little drunk when he did it, as we assume. She probably didn't want to make the trip because it turns out she was three months pregnant.

Oh God. Oh my God. What? You don't want to go off into the forest when you're three months pregnant? Ugh, this whole thing. One this time, the ship Astor had sent, right, the other by sea, the Tonkin arrived and established the trading post Astoria on Point George on the southern shore of the Columbia. So everything's going according to plan over there, right?

But soon after, the captain of the ship, who everyone fucking hated, everybody hates the captain, took the ship on a trading mission to Vancouver. I mentioned everyone hates the captain, right? Yes. The crew, everybody fucking hates his captain. Sure. Okay. So he takes the ship after they set up his fort and he heads up to trade with the Klaikwat

people. Now, I think they're in Canada, it's Vancouver-ish, but they couldn't come to terms over a trade. Okay. So Captain Thorn slapped the elder who was doing the trading, the indigenous person who handled the negotiations, with a fur in the face. Oh boy, that is. I would say I'm just, I think a bad move, personally. So it turns out they didn't like that, for some reason, and soon there was an attack

on the ship. The warriors killed most of the crew. A few survived and ran off, but they were also killed. The next day, the warriors returned to plunder the ship. There was one guy on the ship. Hey. Hi. I just assumed.

So, hey, do you guys want everything? I'm alive, James, and I would like to stay alive, James. Anywho, I wish we had an interpreter. Feel weird. So anyway, he lures them onto the ship. Okay. So he lures all these, you know, native guys onto the ship, Salish, and then he lights the gunpowder magazine and blows up the ship.

So he lured 200 Salish natives on and then killed them by blowing up the ship. The only crew member who survived was an interpreter who had relatives among the Clayquat. So not a great start to everything. So that's not going good either. Now the land expedition looks great. Right. And that one is terrible. Yeah.

Hunt's party had more men join up, and now they were 60 men. So they're just picking up dudes in the middle of nowhere. I don't know what happens out there. I mean, you would need to vet someone. Are you a mildly? I don't think it's just about like turning it into a party boat. Five were partners with Aster, one was a clerk, 40 were Canadian voyagers, hired boatmen, and several were hunters.

They were on four boats. One was large enough to mount a swivel gun and two howitzers. Wow. So they're going into the force ready. Yeah. I mean, they're not fucking around. They pitched tents at night and told stories and sang songs around campfires. Great.

That's nice. Sure. It's a trip. The party started to rest in a friendly Omaha village. Sorry, stayed to rest in a friendly Omaha village. There were then three Sioux arrived and warned that another band of Sioux nearby were preparing to attack. The chief of the Omaha's returned from hunting and said two men had just been killed by a

band of Sioux. Yeah. Obviously everyone's freaking out now, especially the voyagers, the Canadian voyagers, voyageers. I don't know what Canadians call it. Quote, the Canadians pictured to themselves bands of fierce warriors stationed along each bank of the river by whom they would be shot down in their boats or lurking hordes who would set on them at night and massacre them in their encampments. Some of the Canadians wanted to turn back around and three deserted into the woods.

That's a bad move. Yeah. This woods option is not... I never get a getting out and going off because then you have to walk through. There's people who live there. You literally are like... You got to hope that everyone's like, come on through my yard. You're a guy for in Jason movies.

You really are. It's like, we don't follow you when you go into the woods. We find you. So as they traveled on the boats, many of the Canadians who are now very afraid watched the river's edge, but there were no Sioux. The Canadians still started to worry about an ambush at every turn. Quote, the very name Sioux became a watchword of terror, an elk, a wolf, or any other animal would appear on the hills and the boat sounded with shouts from end to end.

Voila les Sioux. Voila les Sioux. They are Sioux. They are Sioux. Voila les Sioux. Voila les Sioux. A raccoon, raccoon, a little mask. Between bandits.

Finally, they did come across a band of hostile Sioux. Quote. Oh, thank God. Here the swivel gun and howitzers were loaded with powder and fired to let the savages know by the sound how formidable they were armed. The noise echoed along the shores of the river and must have startled the Indian warriors who were only accustomed to the shots of rifles. But the Indians remained and watched them in silence, their painted bodies and faces glaring

in the sun and their feathers fluttering in the breeze. When the boats were within rifle range, the hunters prepared to shoot. But there was a confused look on the Native American faces. And they displayed their buffalo robes, raised them with both hands above their heads and then spread them in front of them on the ground. Pierre Dorian started yelling out not to shoot because this was a sign they were peaceful and wanted to meet. So the Americans came in kind of hot, sorry, the Canadians and Americans just rolled in

like dickheads, unusual. The Native American warriors lit a fire on the edge of the river and held the peace pipe ceremony. Mr. Hunt then made a speech in French, which Pierre interpreted. Hunt told the Sioux they were not looking to trade with any tribes upriver, just tossing the mountains to look for some other. Look for some of their fellow countrymen who had been gone for 11 months. He was lying.

He made that all up. They weren't looking for anybody. Okay. He was going to trade with anybody upstream. I like the idea. I do. I am picturing Pierre drunk every time he interprets, not just for the record. It's gotta be.

Okay. Yeah. Hunt ended up giving them tobacco and corn. The Sioux were happy with this. A delicious combination. Yeah. Oh my God. Nothing goes better with a mouthful of corn than a big suck of tobacco.

It's so good. The Sioux were happy. That's actually vape flavor now. Is it? Wow. That's great. The Sioux were happy with this and said the reason for their hostile gathering was to prevent guns from going to the rickeras, mandins, and minotares tribes whom they were at war

with. But now they were like, yeah, go ahead and pass if you're not going to give any stuff. Right. And cruise on through. Quote, the white hunters in the expedition group continued to be fearful of wandering in this dangerous neighborhood and fresh provisions began to be scarce in the camp. Therefore, as a substitute for venison and buffalo meat, the travelers had to purchase a number of dogs to be shot and cooked.

Fortunately, the Indians were generous with their dogs. Great. I mean, everybody wins. You get a soup. Wow. Wow. Not the dogs. The dogs lose.

But everyone else wins. Yeah. Everyone else gets that. My tummy full. Absolutely. In fact, these animals swarm about an Indian village as they do about a Turkish town. So it's pretty cool to hit two different ethnic groups at once from one sentence. Right.

Yeah. Every family has two or three dozen belonging to it of all sizes and colors. Some of a superior breed are used for hunting. Others to draw the sleds and others. Snack dogs. Of a Mongol breed and an idle vagabond nature are fattened for food. Eating dogs. Well, that makes sense.

You got the quality. Sure. You got your good dogs. Husky. Right. And then you got like a nice one for the sleds. Yeah. The eaters.

Yeah. Right. That's awesome. They came across another tribe. We were very happy that the white men wanted to trade and they promised to provide beaver skins. We're actually just here for more dog. We really have gotten a taste for shit.

Oh my God. We've gotten so many dogs. Do you have any scrappers? During one evening, Pierre and two hunters went missing and did not return by sunrise. The group thought they'd wandered off after Buffalo and were not that concerned because they knew they would easily be able to track the party. They left a fire burning to guide the three men and they headed out and then it began to rain and the general gloom came over the men.

Now they're worried that they lost their guys. The Canadian sat in groups smoking and muttering and then they heard the shouts as Pierre and the two other men arrived back. Quote, they came slowly lagging into camp with wary looks and their hunting excursion on the praise. They had pushed so far in pursuit of Buffalo and found it impossible to retrace their steps over the plains. That's probably one of those things where you're just assuming.

Essentially what it is is it's like history's parking garage. You're not focused on anything other than the mission and then all of a sudden when the mission is over or incomplete and it's time to call it, you're like, what floor and number? I remember nothing. How did I get here? Even Marie was happy to see Pierre. So they moved on.

After a few days, they saw a group of warriors coming over a bank and gathering on the shore. It was a war party. They were armed with bows and arrows and battle clubs and their bodies painted black and white stripes. Mr. Hunt's butt was in front and the closest, but it passed near them without any problems. And all the warriors ran along the bank until they were opposite to the boats and they threw aside their weapons and waited into the boats and surrounded the boats. And then they reached out to shake hands because they knew this is how the white man liked

to show they were friends. Oh, wow. This is so fucking weird. But it is. Every introduction or every moment when these two sides are coming, you're like, what are we doing here? Are we murdering each other? Are we trading?

What's the deal? What's happening? We were hoping to trade and murder. Is that cool? We're going to want to do a furter, give you some fur and murder people. But the Native Americans went over the top of the handshaking, quote, they carried it to an extreme. All right.

That's enough, gentlemen. Yeah. No, we're good with that. It's like one. It's like one or two pumps. One or two pumps. Then we move on. That's enough.

All right. I've shaken your head four to five times. You specifically. Officially a workout. All right. So, they're obviously not worried about these guys. Turned out to be a war party of the. Unless that was their plan.

Their plan. Oh, to lure them in. Was to slowly go over there and tire their arms out by shaking them until the next morning they're so sore and weakened that they could be taken advantage of. They just cut their arms out. Well, yeah. Or you just cut anything off. They won't be able to move their arms.

Yeah. So, it turns out this was a war party of Eirikaras, Mandans, and Minutaries, 300 warriors who were fighting the Sioux. Remember the Sioux, the Madness? Yeah. They didn't give them weapons. These are the guys the Sioux were fighting. Okay.

The same tribes, Hunt had promised the Sioux he wouldn't trade with and then he traded with them. Of course. The chief said they had to have something to prove. They had met the white man and Hunt gave them a cask of gunpowder, a bag of bullets, and three dozen knives. By the way, imagine a time in history when Native Americans say they want proof that the white man was there.

Very early on. Very early in relations. Chief was super happy with all this. Now, Mr. Lisa's group from the rival fur company caught up and the two parties camped about a hundred yards apart. Awkward. Lisa wanted them to travel together. Mr. Lisa invited Pierre to dine on his boat.

Okay. And he gave him whiskey. Well, that's not fair. He knows. He knows who Pierre is. That's not fair. Don't get the gremlin wet. You know the deal.

When Mr. Lisa thought Pierre was sufficiently buzzed, he asked Pierre to quit Hunt's group and work for him again. Of course. Gladly. Of course not. I like what's happening here. This is great. This is good.

And I'm glad we can bury the hatchet as far as all the other whiskey stuff goes. No. They were still paying for that. Oh. Well, that's cool. Guys, more whiskey now? I don't really care about the problems I'm causing in the future. Did I ever tell you about the time I threw my wife and family into the woods?

No. That's really a coal. That is a good move. Okay. We don't want to do this. I had sex with a fish, man. Okay. Mr. Lisa also brought up Pierre's whiskey debt and threatened to forcibly carry Pierre off

in payment for it. So wait. Now remember, we mentioned that he doesn't like the debt coming up in conversation. Yes. But wait. So he gets him on the boat. First, he says get some drunk. I want you to work for me.

And he says no. Loads him up with whiskey. And then he's like, fuck you. You owe me money. Yeah. You have to work for me. Okay. So this job offer is turning.

It's not great. Okay. So they started arguing and then Pierre punched Mr. Lisa in the face. Good. Good, good, good. Good. This ought to be fine. Now Lisa had wanted the two parties to travel together, but this commotion caused problems

and so Hunt moved on without him. And Lisa wanted them to travel together because they're going through danger. Moved out without Lisa, but he took Pierre. No. Pierre comes back to Mr. Hunt. Right. Right. That's what I mean.

Okay. Right. And Lisa goes off on his own. They travel together because, or Lisa does. Lisa wants that. Yeah. Hunt doesn't. Because they're going through dangerous territory.

Right. He's like, the more of us, the better. Yeah. But I was like, fuck off. Right. You punch my boy. Right. You punch my boy.

Yeah. Mr. Hunt's party had 82 horses, most of which were packed with goods, beaver traps, ammunition, corn, cornmeal and other necessities. Sure. Each of Aster's partners had a horse. One was designated to Pierre to carry his luggage and two children. Marie walked on foot like most of the men. Yeah.

And it's cool too. Because she's pregnant. And all the dudes now super respect her. Like that she's been out there for a while. Right. So Marie was now close to having the baby. And she was also taking care of two kids, two and five years old. And one grown kid.

No. Just two and five. No. No. Her husband. Oh. And then the younger one she had to carry on her back. So she's carrying a two year old.

Right. And what's Pierre doing? Carrying whiskey? He's got the gun and then the, I guess a bottle. Yeah. Sure. And a horn. Great.

Okay. Snow came. It was more than knee deep and after walking all day they realized they had only traveled four miles. They were now desperate for food and had to kill and eat a horse. Okay. Sure. On December 29th, they walked 21 miles through valley dealing with rain and snow and they

had to cross an icy stream twice. This is the day. Marie. Twice. Yeah. You know, going back and forth. Oh. Streams just don't, aren't like a line.

Yeah. Okay. And this is the day Marie went into labor. Oh, perfect. An ice berth. Oh my God. Most people go for the water one, but have you seen a child come out and go into ice right away?

So great. Perfect. They love it. You think they're blue when they come out? Quote, Pierre treated the matter as an ordinary occurrence and no need to cause delay. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. It's fine.

She's having a baby. It'll slide most of the way. She has a boy's wife in the camp with his other children and his horse and promised to soon rejoin the man group. We won't be five, 10 minutes tops. She's really, she better be good at this. I'll jump on it if it's taking a while. So the group leaves them.

Sure. Yeah. This again, one of those things. I'm like, you couldn't wait for the lady to have a baby? No. I mean, well, look, these things can take hours. So the next morning, the Dorian family rejoined the party with a new baby. Hey.

Hi guys. We got this screaming thing. Me too. Quote, the mother looked as unconcerned as if nothing had happened to her. So easy is her nature in the wilderness when free from the in fiebling refinements of luxury. So she's just digging it. Like she had a baby. She's cruising.

Right. Not at all. Like she's like quiet because she wants to fucking kill her husband. Right. No. She's excited for the new chapter of having another mouth to feed on this journey. What a great, what a great time to be starving and killing horses. It's just, it's cool to have another horse hole around.

Yeah. It really is. Huntsman asked for permission to celebrate the birth and he gave it and they had a banquet of dogs, meat and horse. And maybe a little whisky. I don't know if they have whisky at this point. The next day they moved on and kept the pace for five up for days. On the eighth day, the newborn baby died.

Oh, God. I mean, it's not surprising. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. But right. Of course. Of course.

I mean, at what age could you chew horse? When you're killing dogs and horses to eat them, that's not in the time to be like, well, you know, we should have as a baby right now. Yeah. Yeah. This is baby time. Yeah. They made it to Fort Astoria on February 15th, 1812, quote, a shadow of joy burst from

each canoe at the long wished foresight, all hands poured from the settlement to receive and welcome them. It's been an 11 month journey from St. Louis. Jesus Christ. Good God. The Canadian. I mean, really. Imagine.

No. Imagine a year of your life. I don't like to travel coach. Like coach is a bummer. Imagine a year of your life. Greyhound? I mean, imagine. I mean, imagine.

Greyhound. Let me tell you. How about this? Imagine taking a greyhound for 12 days. Seriously. Imagine being on a, could you? Could you do it? No.

No. And she had a baby in her and was walking through snow and ice for 11 months and kept her other kids alive. And we couldn't go on a greyhound. I know. No way. I think I could. You have rich tastes.

I could not go on a greyhound. You're too affluent. You're too affluent. You're too hoity-toity. You've lived that country club life. I really do. Yeah. You love that gated community life.

Oh my God. I'm out there with the people. I just get in my Range Rover and I drive around on the golf course. Yeah. Exactly. This is mine. The Canadian voyagers went crazy to see their friends, quote, it was almost ludicrous to behold these comrades hugging and kissing each other on the river bank.

They celebrated the entire day at the fort. They shot guns and had a feast of fish, beaver, venison, and dog meat. You don't have to eat the dog meat now. Hey, come on. You don't have to eat the dog meat. Come on. I'll tell you what. I've got a bit of a taste for dog meat.

Not the only one, I love a bit of a retriever. Rum was issued to the men. Rum was issued to gentlemen, I'm issuing rum. The night ended with a grand dance by the Canadian voyagers, quote, as usual. Yes, of course. But things did not go well at the fort. By summer of 1813, Astor decided to give up on the trading post because 61 men had died working at the post.

That's a pretty... That's a chunk. That's a lot of men. That's a good amount. He sold the Pacific Fur Company. At that point, Marie and Pierre joined up with a nine-man beaver hunting party that worked for a different fur company. Okay.

They built a trading post near the mouth of Idaho's Boise River and several hunting and trapping camps. In the middle of August, 1814, they camp near the Great Snake River where there were a lot of beavers. Got to go where the beavers are. It's a good thing they call it the Great Snake River. Yeah, and it's full of beavers. We could have called it a great beaver river, but also might be great snakes there sure a Member of the party mr. Reed built a house to live in for the winter. Okay. I like mr. Reed style fucking going

The only guy who's like, what do we have a house? Yeah, that's we got a tree Let's make a we got a lot of things to build a house with I don't know. I was thinking of burying myself in her clothes Nearby tribes were nice, but when strange tribes pass by not is great not as friendly They always asked mr. Reed for guns and bullets Once one shot a horse with an arrow and stole a canoe Interesting move not a great horse not necessarily part of the horses like I am just here. I have no association to the canoe So mr. Reed built another house farther up the river Was more essential location for the hunters. So there's two houses out there sure

Late one night in January a friendly Native American came running to the house and said some men from the dogrib Tribe had burnt the first house and were headed their way singing a war song Okay, so that's not not the best news. That's not not the best update sure was a war song or a baby lullaby No, they were pretty clear. They burned that house and that was all war very specific. It wasn't like top 10 stuff No, no, no, this is new stuff Okay, it was low, right? Yeah, of course, right? And what's joke Marie took her two kids Got on a horse and went to find Pierre who was out trapping at the time. Okay, but it was night and she got lost. Oh, dear

The next day a storm came so she sheltered in place Jesus The day after that she set out again and she saw smoke rising in the direction She was heading out here. So she hid again thinking it might be the dog ribbed tribe. Okay That's what I was thinking. All right, so she waits a day and now she's waited two days She starts horse starts moving on the next day As you can't why do you have to go there? She might not eat the horse. He's our hero As she came close to the hut where Pierre had been hunting a man staggered out Stagger's never a good. It's good to be here. He approaches her

It's one of their one of the Canadian hunting voyagers He was wounded and faint from a loss of blood He told Marie that Pierre and the other two trappers had been robbed and murdered that morning So Pierre's gone. Is that true? He lost the wife beater. He is for sure. He's dead. Oh, Jesus Christ Marie put her wounded the wounded hunter on the horse and ran into the forest heading back to mr. Reed's house Jesus Christ, but the hunter couldn't handle the rough ride on the horse and he fell twice Oh that fuck by the way that don't not fuck this guy this guy stay on the fucking horse You're dying that fall though that first fall you go the second one. You're like, I think yeah, let's just do it

I think this is the Lord's way of saying you're not ready for ponies. So Marie took him off and they camped for the day and then he died that night She put her kids on the horse and they headed out much better. Yes get the kids on the horse. Sure She made it to mr. Reed's house quote mr. Reed and the men were all murdered Scalped and cut to pieces cut to pieces is kind of fucking brutal. Yeah Desolation and horror stared me in the face. I turned from the shocking sight in agony and despair Took to the woods with my children and horse and passed the cold and lonely night without food or fire Probably a good feeling

Marie didn't know what to do next It's an awkward time. Yeah, I mean we've all been there. It's just weird. Yeah The snow was deep. It was very cold. They had no food To try to make the long journey to safety would be certain death She was not about to let her children starve and realize she would have to go into the house to look for food Okay, she knew there was a stock of salted fish, but didn't this is the next house Okay, but didn't know if the dogrib men had taken it also there would there could be one waiting in the house Yeah for more hunters to return

The next morning she wrapped her kids in her robe Okay, and tied up the horse and left them and went To some ground above the house to watch and see if anything was moving. Okay, so nothing So she went back to her kids who were now almost frozen Hi She had no choice but to make a fire to warm them even though it was dangerous After they were warm she rolled them up in the rub again and headed for the house. Good God She found plenty of fish. She took as much as she could carry and headed back to the kids

They were almost frozen again She started another fire and then they eat the fish The next day she went back to the house and got more fish But after that she was too overwhelmed and sat for three days unable to move That's cool. Yeah, I would go I would go full-on cat. I would go catcoma in a second Finally she realized they had to move she packed up everything on the horse and put the kids on The top of the load and set out leading the horse by the reins quote in this sad and hopeless condition I traveled through deep snow among the woods rocks and rugged paths for nine days until I and the horse could travel no more

She picked a spot to rest for the winter What she's hibernating. Yeah, she's going into hibernation. Wow. That's all she can do or else She's not gonna. Yeah, that's quite a hungry. She killed the horse. Of course. I mean, we all saw this coming I would have killed the kids too. Okay, maybe no more pitching for you And hung its meat on a tree and smoked it for the winter Then she built a small hut with pine branches long grass and moss and packed around snow to keep it warm She did not have an axe. She did it all with a knife. Wow She and the kid stayed in the hut for 53 days. Oh my god. Good times. I mean, uh, could you imagine?

Let me just say I Would rather die than be in a hut with a three-year-old for 53 days But at least you have horse to eat the fucking nonstop the just the repeating of Sentences. Oh same story. Oh, uh, so So it's still snowing They start back out again now they got to move. Okay on the second day she became snow-blind And I was hoping she had to stay in place without moving for three days. Oh, wow. It's a good time

Her supplies were exhausted. She got some of her sight back and started to move again. She got out of the mountains and down into the planes She had now been walking for 15 days. They barely had eaten anything for six days Once on the plane. She saw smoke some ways away, but she couldn't carry her children anymore So she wrapped them in her robe and hid them Okay These kids are like Mom seems like you used to hide kids a lot back in the day. Yeah, I Mean that'd be great if you could do that now just put them in a like towel for a minute stashing for the afternoon go to Ikea come out

There it is She then set out to reach whatever Native American camp was ahead quote I was so weak that I could hardly crawl and I had to sleep on the way She got to the camp the next day at noon. It belonged to the Walla Walla tribe They were very kind to her and immediately headed out to find her children They found them and brought the kids back that night Maria and the kids stayed there for two nights and then started heading down the river with some of the Walla Walla a Traveler in the area quote one day. I was too tired to ride horseback

So I Reembarked in my canoe about eight o'clock We passed a little river and saw three canoes the persons in which we're struggling with their paddles to overtake us We're here to child's voice cry out in French at a day at a day Hey, stop. We landed ashore and saw in one of the canoes the wife and children of a man named Pierre Dorian It was the Indians of Walla Walla who had brought her to us He gave some presents to the Walla Walla for their help and took Maria and her children to Fort Kanigan

It's strange that she's going to a place called I can again It was a fur trading outpost in Washington state they survived Wow, and they started their life over around 1818 Maria married again to Monsignor of veneer. They had a daughter Marguerite in 1819 but then he died right after that and Marie married again in 1824 She will find a winner to John Tupin who was an interpreter at Fort Nez Pierce They had a son and daughter Maria was called madame, Iowa She lived for ten years in the town of Kaiser near Salem, Oregon, and she died on September 3rd 1850 The location of her grave has been lost her newborn who died was the first white

First child with white ancestry born in Oregon Wow, that's what it used to be like now imagine Hugh glass with children Yeah, she's a bit of a badass. Yeah That is I mean that like I always think that the will to survive like I don't know That will to survive like and maybe it's just the time maybe we're so spoiled now that you're just like I can't do it I was like, but I don't think I don't think I could do that. I was reading about it recently and some Um, quote scholars think that women and women seem to survive longer in these circumstances

Because of their children. Yeah, that may I would that would not surprise me where it's dudes are like, I'm gonna sit in the snow I gotta run from whiskey I'm running from a whiskey nightmare Uh, boy, that's crazy Yeah Stressing me out that stressed you out a little bit. Yeah, she made it everybody made except for the baby Yeah, I don't care about the dudes Yeah

Pierre was a fucking dick Well, he got he got his yeah, he did get his you know It just wasn't worth it. I just don't know What was to go out and fucking kill animals and sell the fur? It just doesn't well It really is interesting because it is like, you know, it is the root of what we deal with now Which is that we overharvest for Yeah

Money in the moment that is long term foolish That's the it's the beginning of that stuff anymore. It's just sort of like, I mean, that's really what I mean, I can't I think we were talking about I don't know if we were talking about this on the show or not, but like If if white people didn't get America What would it what would it what would it be? It'd be fascinating to have another It'd be fascinating to have an area That was that large that was just Just living the way the indigenous people live and you could see the difference and you'd be like, oh, well that works

And the other thing doesn't well, even I mean, you know, we could we could Shillack the white man all day But yeah, I mean it's still I mean it still is yeah, it still is very much It's like that but just now On steroids. Yeah, it's good. It is good. Right. It's good. Yeah. It's good. It's a good good times coming It's good. All right. Well We sign whoever Pelted Delta We send pelts turn off the light turn