The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 402 - Frank Lloyd Wright (Live)

Episode Date: November 5, 2019

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we're gonna play a live episode that we recorded last month in Madison, Wisconsin and I want to thank our researcher Shuren Sajapur who did a fantastic job. I think her husband helped but but really great thank you. Hello. No. No. No. God damn it. I'm fucking from this goddamn state of some respect this is dairy country that's what this is. You're listening to the dollop. This is a bi-racial American history podcast. It's getting weird that you say that now. Each week. I iPad owner. Hater of cheese curds.

A fish eater. Still eat fish. Dave Anthony reads a story from American history to his nemesis. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. We're not enemies. You're like that. What was that wrestler? Handsome George who would always walk into places and just talk shit for like non-stop. That's what every city we go to. You just talk shit. And the best part is how you want people back by just saying you like fish. That's how popular fish is here. It's like fish. That'll be fine. You guys got walleyes here. Is that just here we go. Do we have walleyes fucking fantastic walleye. All right. We're in the show

part. I didn't you guys want to talk about walleyes for a while. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Because I assuming there's an I issue. I'll talk about walley. That's a good movie. Oh. The future. Yeah. The documentary. Do you ever think about how many people are on the ship. Not that many. Dave. Yes. That's the plan. It's a ship. Yeah. Yeah. We're let's not get into the ship talk yet. It's early. June 8 1867. Frank Lincoln. Right. Was born in Richland Center Wisconsin. Yeah. That was a little. It can't be that great. I got to be honest. For the enthusiasm I felt. I don't think anyone in this country feels for where they're from. I like how you're

going to do the show in the position of Stephen Hawking tonight. Did he die. He passed away. Yes. Yes. Whiskey. Yeah. Whiskey got him. Yeah. Yeah. It's killing so many. So he's born to William Wright and Anna Jones. William was an order. Music teacher. A lawyer. A tax collector. A classical composer. A part time doctor. And an intern. And a what. And a minister. And a mid Jesus Christ. And a business card owner. Hopefully not. He had a hard time keeping a job is basically what that looks like. So it's not that he's a jack of all trades. No. He just was trying to get by. Right. OK. His mother. Frank's mother and was a devout Unitarian and

school teacher. OK. For a Zephyr Unitarian or. I don't know how many people you thought were going to get on board but they were not there. It was not. That did not happen. One lonely. By the way for you are Unitarian and your yells to. That was a solo yell. One. Be. I'm a Unitarian. It's just me. It's only mine. So William. William had a previous wife who died and he had three kids when he married Anna. OK. Anna did not like her stepchildren. OK. That's. Yeah. She was Anna was not really a normal woman for the time. She was very independent. Strong willed. Very strict. She rode horses astride like a man. Oh. Progress. While. While

wearing a soldier's cape with a hood and brass buttons. That changed quickly. I wasn't as impressed as I am now. OK. She was much taller than her husband William. And she was manic. She had it all. Her ravings were so intense that she was she would exhaust herself and then have to stay in bed for days. That's tough. That you're like no I'm sorry. Oh God now she's gone for a week. She's there's no resolution. But she screamed for nine hours and went to bed. That's tough. That's a tough day. Yeah. I'm almost done. I'm so exhausted but you really this whole thing has just been total bullshit. And I am. I got a. Honey. Such bullshit you are.

You don't know how to ride a horse. Fucking break them back up. You said it idiot. Yeah. Yeah. She beat her stepdaughter Elizabeth with a meat tenderizer. Jesus Christ. That is like. Is that. That trumps. What is. Is there a worse thing to get beat with. Well but is that bad though. Because she. Like. Yes. That is bad. Soften her up a little bit. No it doesn't soften her up. She's not chicken fried human. Maybe she had like not. Maybe she had like knots. No it's not a Farragun. You break it out. No. No. No. I mean it might be relaxing to get beat by a meat tenderizer. Afterwards you're like I feel loose. Get me in the pan. That

is fucking crazy. That is tough. I can't wrap my head around that. Brutal. When she was when Anna was expecting her first baby Frank she said he would quote grow up to build beautiful buildings. What. She. She's got. Nostra. No. Dharma. Then. When he was a baby she decorated his nursery completely with pictures of English English cathedrals. Well there you go. That's how you do it. Anna did not trust teachers to educate Frank. So she taught him herself. Good. That's always good. That's happening more and more in a good way. Now there was an education tool that was a series of geometrically shaped blocks kids could assemble in various combinations to form 3D structures. Legos. Again are we

learning about shouting out. Don't do it. It doesn't work out great. So. So this was the basis of his education. This was like. He was just. Yeah. That's what that's what everything came from in his education. So this would be like predicting that your kid is going to be a baseball player and then locking it in a room with bats and balls. That's right. There we go. Yeah. It seems to have gravitated towards it. I don't know what it was. Young Frank loved nature and I said he had a quote delicate psychology. I think that she's calling him a pussy. OK. It's a better way to put it. One time Frank saw some farmers plowing a field of wild daisies and he ran over to try to save as many

as he could. Oh dear Dave. This is sad but hilarious. I mean good lord and threw himself in front of the plow. What. And then Tiananmen squaring daisies. That is quite a hill to die upon. Not my daisies. And then he laid in the grass weeping. Delicate psychology. Yeah. What did she call him. She said he had a delicate psychology. He sure does. He is. So Anna was worried Frank was becoming too effeminate. OK. So she sent him to her brother's farm to work and quote become a man. That sounds like a tough summer. It's how it works. It's how I was gay and then they just sent me to a farm. Right. Then that was it. OK. Then I was fucking animals. What. Yeah I didn't go the way I thought it would. It took a really

it took a sharp right turn. This is what Unitarians believe isn't it. Yeah. Yeah. So the whole things based on cow fucking pig. Cheese curds come from. Yep. When Dave fucks a cow. What. They make a cheese curd. They pop out the mouth while you're banging away. This is this can't happen anymore. So many people were listening to this podcast for the first time and turned it off a lot. Many understandable. I want to go. Uh huh. So Frank hated working on a farm. But he did like studying the surrounding landscape who super into nature. OK. Now William like I said couldn't hold the job so the family was moving a lot. So Frank you know he moves back with them. And then he was 14 when he was 14. That's when Anna started beating up

William physically and then told them to leave. Wait. She's beating William. She's bigger than him. So is she like tenderizing it. Well I don't know if she's I don't know if she still has that. I like the idea that she wears a cape and uses that tenderizer like Thor's hammer. Yeah. Well look she's like she just puts her hand out it's like. Yeah that's exactly what it is. I'll be in bed for a week. OK. So she would beat William and she would tell Frank to roll when she was going to beat him. Yeah. Well no Frank would watch it. Oh great. OK. Sorry. I thought it was going to be a bad thing. No no it's good. And then and then you know she has she has William to go. She says get the fuck out. So then William sues Anna for a lack of physical

affection. That's delicately put. Boy they're really understaters. They sound like they're it sounds like it was a great marriage. Yeah. No for sure. She sounds great. Yeah. After the divorce Frank never saw his father again. OK. OK. So he's going to be raised in the comforting environment which is good. Yeah. So then Frank changed his middle name from Lincoln to Lloyd to honor his mother's side of the family. OK. His name is now Frank Lloyd Wright. Right. Frank had no high school diploma because he was educated at home. Yeah. But the blocks. The blocks. Yeah. But Anna somehow got him into the University of Wisconsin. Congratulations. He dropped out after two semesters. OK. It's weird how that gets more applause. That shows you. OK. Yeah. He moved. He moved to

Chicago. Got a job as a draftsman at an architectural firm. OK. He did well. Soon he became an apprentice at Adler and Sullivan a much bigger architectural firm. Sure. He didn't get along with the other draftsmen and would often get into fistfights with them. OK. Nice. Just you know that's just kind of how architecture. That's how architecture works. Right. Yeah. Brutal. Yeah. Usually to get to the top of a of a firm you have to kill like four or five other. Well that's why they had to do so much work with those tubes so that they could just flog each other or whatever. Yeah. It's a brutal environment. Well that's architecture. Yeah. So Frank became very close to Sullivan and was taken under his wing. OK. Frank met Catherine Lee Kitty Tobin. That's

her nickname Kitty Kitty at a costume party. Well kid. OK. Yeah. All right. All right. Kitty at a costume party. I like. Yeah. There's a B about to go in your head. It's fine. It's totally fine. It's normal. It's very Wisconsin. It's a big boy. Yeah. So they got married two years later on June 1st 1889. OK. Sullivan gave Frank a five thousand dollar loan as a wedding gift. That's a loan as a gift. What kind of shit gift. I'm going to do that next wedding I go to. That's how you fucking. It is my honor to give you guys two thousand dollars to borrow whenever you can get it back. We're not going to be crazy about it. But under five years something like that. Just a four again. Congrats. 14 percent interest. That's 14 percent. I'm going to do that.

It sounds great. I'm so happy for you guys. What a ceremony. But get it back quick. Yeah. I'm going to be like a monthly big. Listen. Yeah. If you're late on a payment. All right. Your new lady here. Yeah. All right. She's going to lose a fucking eye. OK. Well no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. We're saying it's a great time. You got a great. We had an unbelievable time. And what we're saying is we do want to pay back. But there will be no violence. I mean we don't want to get violent. Dave here's obviously a bit of a pit bull. But I'm just saying she's got beautiful eyes. You know what I mean. I mean we want to keep them both in her head. Nobody is pitching to get rid of her eyeballs too hard. Any who's will be it was fantastic to be here. It was. Don't say anything else because I know

you want to. I'll take a finger. All right. We're good. Thank you. Shuttle takes a while doesn't it. Good Lord. So he he took the money and he used it to design and build a house in Oak Park. OK. Anna moved next door to the young couple which comfortable comfortable thing to have happened. She did not like Kitty. She did not want to marry. This is nice. This is good. Like a dark everybody loves Raymond. And I'm sure and I'm and I'm sure Anna never said anything because she seems like a very quiet nice lady wouldn't Kitty. I mean Anna. Right. Kitty's the wife. And I was the mom. Right. Oh OK. I was being sarcastic. Oh I've read about that. How's it going over there. So Frank was promoted to head draftsman and he started making a really good living.

But he fucking can finally pay that gift back. That's right. Right. So he but he loved to spend money. He bought fancy clothes multiple cars tons of luxury items. He's living be honest means he's always broke. OK. In one room of his house it was just completely filled with chandeliers. What's he had a chandelier room. I mean come on. What. We're praying an earthquake never happens to this room. It would be. What. And he had a large Arabian night's mural above a theatrical balcony. Dave knew money. Come into my chandelier room. This is the chandelier room. And he has the Taj Mahal balcony. So he's always broke. So he started taking side jobs

outside of the very William in many ways. Yeah. Yeah. So he starts taking side jobs outside the Sullivan firm. What he didn't know was that was a breach of his contract. OK. Well I can't work further. I can't work further guys. I'm a full time architect across the street too. I'm also a trumpeter. Clearly. So Sullivan started noticing noticing these buildings are going up that are clearly Frank's work. And he confronts him and that was the end of that. They didn't speak for 12 years. OK. So Frank goes and sets up his own firm in 1893. He starts solidifying his unique and innovative architectural style. His works were considered the cornerstone of modernism and had a profound influence

on European architecture after World War One. His designs were known for their unique geometric structures and natural colors like Legos making or Wunderblocks or whatever you were saying. Wunderblocks making his building look as though they were one with the surroundings. This style would come to be known as Prairie houses and organic architecture. He started getting high profile jobs and increases reputation in the architectural world. OK. That'll be the best thing we say about him. So should we. Should we take a moment to sort of have we. Are we at this. Are we at the apex. Yeah. We've at the summit. Well he's. It's time to crash. Kind of all down your diapers. Gets weird. Kind of get weird. In 1903 he was designing

a house for Edwin Cheney. Edwin has a wife. Mamma who was 30 when she married Edwin. It's a little bit older for that time. Sure. There goes the bee. Falcor. Falcor. They had two children Edwin and Mamma. So she's ahead of her time. She's well educated. She's a feminist. She's very cultured very refined and Frank is like well she's kind of like my equal and they hit it off immediately and start fucking. OK. But they're both married. Right. Yep. You're not supposed to do that. Right. Yep. Due to Frank's social status. So he's kind of a big big shot now in Chicago. Everyone knows who he is. Sure. So their relationship is just constant speculation gossip. There's media is talking about it. It's all over the news.

Right. He's they're an it couple. Yeah. But they're not a couple. Right. They're just fucking. Yeah. They're an it fucker. They're fucking. Yeah. They're it fuckers. Yeah. So Frank asked Kitty for a divorce. Now. Finally. The right time to do it too. After you've been inside someone else for a while. You know. Well at least you pull out before you ask. Uh huh. That's right. That's absolutely right. Because if you're still send a fax back in. Boom. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So Frank and Kitty at this point have six kids. Jesus Christ. Frank likes to fuck. What's his deal. It's just likes to go back to fuck. And so Kitty refuses. Kitty refuses the divorce. Yeah. Nice play. Always a interesting pushback. Not one you're expecting. No. Well

what the fuck. No. What. It's not a is. Can you do that. Is she allowed to. She is. Yes. I had a I had a roommate once in San Francisco and her boyfriend moved in because we had another room and move out. So it was just the two of them and me and she comes and she goes hey so you know my name is on the lease and we'd really like it if you moved out. And I was like no. What a lunatic. And she and she was like what what do you mean no I'm like yeah I'm good. And she goes your name is not on the lease. I go good luck getting me out then because you're probably going to need to call a lawyer. It sounds like you got a lot of work to do. That's a crazy situation. And it cost you a lot of money. But the worst thing was that her

boyfriend didn't have a sense of smell. So then he would just fart all the time around me and he couldn't smell. Tell you what San Francisco is a cool place to live. Was he doing that to get you out. Was that like a superpower. It's all he had. That's the kitchen sink. It's Thor's hammer. Or a tenderizer. So obviously now Frank and Mima like everyone knows that they're together. Right. And then in June of 1909 Mima tells Edwin that she's taking the kids and going to Boulder Colorado to visit a friend out there who's pregnant. Okay. I'm going to stay with this friend to help her through the pregnancy or whatever. Okay. And everyone's like yeah that's cool. I know you're having an affair but wait that's fine. I'm sure that's what you're doing. And then later that year

she sends on the message saying well her friend died in childbirth so he needs to come out to Colorado to get the kids. Okay. If this is all bullshit it's quite a heap. Yeah. Who are seven and three at that point and then when Edwin gets there Mima's gone. It's just the kids. She just took off. I mean sending a faxes class here. At the same time Frank is acting very strange around Kitty. Uh-huh. Well I mean he already said he wants to like is she like Frank what's going on. He's like well I asked you to get a divorce. Something's bothering you I can tell. Yeah I want completely out of this relationship. Talk to me I'm your wife. I don't want you to be. That's not what I my goal here. You seem distant lately.

That's a choice. I'm an active choice I am making to distance myself in this marriage. I want out. Come to bed. I fuck. What's the fuck. That's cuddle. I will fuck you. I'm not gonna lie. I will have sex. I will have sex. You always fuck me. I will fuck you. Yeah. But everything else is out of bounds. Uh well he borrowed a lot of money. Smart. And he was taking advances on his commissions. Smart. So Kitty came really suspicious when he sold pieces of his prize collection of Japanese art and gave his studio away to a young architect. So she's like this seems weird. You're selling all your stuff. You're getting advances and you gave your place you work at away. I just feel like it's off. I'm yeah I'm getting I want a divorce. I do not want to be married to you.

I know but when you start giving everything away it makes me feel like there's something wrong. There is a huge thing wrong. A huge thing. I don't want to be here. I don't love you. I'm fucking someone else. You just love your Japanese art though and... Oh my god. And I don't know why you'd give that away and then your studio that's where I don't want to tell you any of this. This is none of your business. That's where you work. Like you love working. I love to watch you work. That is not something you should like doing any longer. I need cuddles. I will fuck you. I will do that. He 100% seems like a guy who would be like I want to divorce you. Yes, I'll still fuck you.

I will fuck you. Yeah. I will fuck you. I will have more kids with you. So then Kitty just then Frank just straight up said I'm leaving you. He's like I'm out. Okay. I'm walking out the door. Okay. His son David was 13 years old. Nice. This will be good for him for sure. He was there when he told her he was leaving and then Frank looked at David and says you're the new man of the house. Whoa. This dude's having a morning. What? What do you mean? Hey Pop where are you headed? You're the man of the house. Oh shit. And then he handed David a $900 grocery bill that hadn't been paid. Wait. Dad. Dad. Oh wait. I almost forgot. Oh thank god. A nest egg? No. Pay this. It's fucking huge. I can't afford it. It's a lot of pineapple. Well, dad's gone and I'm the man of the house.

Guess I gotta pay this bill. Oh boy. I got a lot of thinking to do. So Frank and Mamma then just went to Europe. Frank was having a book published in Europe. I wouldn't it be great to be able to do this to just be like fuck everyone else? Yeah. Wouldn't that be a great that would be great. I wish I had that. That'd be nice. His book is published. It's admired all over Europe like he's he's a hit in Europe. Sure. But in Chicago, newspapers are going nuts. Articles are attacking Frank claiming he would be imprisoned for immorality, which I don't think is a thing. But you never know. It's America back. We will get there again. Yeah, it's coming. So Mamma and Frank returned to the US in 1911.

Then Mamma got a divorce from Edwin and she got custody of the kids. That that whole thing is shocking. It's she's still with him and goes to Europe and then comes back and then gets divorced and then and then is left the kid and then she just is like yeah, I want the kids too. What a great trip. It's gone for a year. But you know what? Those are mine. You can go fuck yourself. But god damn it. And then the courts are like yeah, well, you're the lady. So I know you abandoned them, but you get them right. Oh boy. Knowing knowing this time, he probably didn't want them as a dude. He's like, Oh, I don't want those. I just think all the kids probably felt really good about themselves.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Kitty still refused to let Frank divorce her. Just hang in there. Really standing in the way of me being the man of the house. I really think it's the man of that shut up. Okay, sorry, mom. Did you pay that fucking bill yet? I'm paying $80. Frank told the reporter quote. I'm selling blood. Sell more. Oh, they said I can't. That's too much. I guess I could go to another place. I am the man of the house. You can get a six blood places a day. Oh, okay.

I'm kind of the man of the house. Feels like maybe you should be sorry. Yeah, we'll be the man of the house and sell all your blood. Okay, thanks. But I'm deciding to do it. That's an order, mister. Aye, aye. See you later, mom. Frank told the reporter quote. Tough day at the blood bank. I'll tell you what doesn't do it. What? Sugar cookies. How many blood banks did you go to? I hit all six. The last one, the lady went in between my toes and said, dust shot out. How's the man of the house?

Yeah, man of the house. How much money did you make? We made $12 today. $12, mom. We're gonna get rid of that grocery bill. I'm a man of the house and a man of the house takes care of him. So Frank told the reporter quote, laws and rules are made for the average. That's, that should be what's on the Statue of Liberty. The ordinary man cannot live without rules to guide his conduct. There it is, Dave. It is infinitely, infinitely more difficult to live without rules, but that is what the really honest and sincere thinking man is compelled to do.

Two women were necessary for a man of artistic mind. Dude, is this David Koresh? One to be mother of his children and the other to be his mental companion is inspiration and soulmate. Oh my God, what? That one makes babies. This one I put my things in. More. I put him in that one to make babies, but this one I fuck and I talk to. Because, because he's smarter. He needs to. He's not an ordinary human. No, Dave. An ordinary human can come in one forever. Frank needs a couple. Good God. He's great. Yeah. Frank bought land in Wisconsin near where he was raised

and started designing an estate. I like how the applause now has gone to one, two clapper and a distant as the thread gets tugged more and more. So he named it Tally Essin after a Welsh poet, magician and priest. What? Well, I love the combo. Back then, you needed to be all three. I think you still do. That's mostly what it still is in Wales. Almost everyone's a poet, magician and priest. But the press called Tally Essin a love cottage and the castle of love. Because he's there with. Sure. He's turned it into his bank factory. Yeah, he's there.

He's there with my mom. So locals who were mostly college kids were super upset. At this part, I couldn't fucking understand. This is a different era. Yeah, the college kids like, what are you doing having an affair? The frats are like, we want to talk to her and make sure her feelings are represented properly. We're in upside down land, mister. Hey, hold on. I think she said too much to drink. Like not heard often or ever.

So once once the estate was done, the college kids are really mad and they threaten to quote throw a tar party. Whoa. New York Herald quote a guard was today placed around the ten thousand limestone grotto or cave this product couldn't figure out or cave. I assume there's a grotto or we believe he's Batman. We're not sure about Frank, but we're 90% he's Batman. He's in the Frank cave. It might be the playboy mansion. Uh huh. So a car party. A guard was placed today around the $10,000 limestone grotto or cave of Frank Lloyd Wright. Threats of tar and feathers move the sheriff to take the precaution of placing a guard. The population of Hillside is made up largely of college students and the sheriff says they are

apt to bust out any minute. We need to bring back the threat of tar parties. The sheriff was quoted as saying the only thing that has prevented a tar party so far is is the lack of a leader. There has been plenty of talk of such action. Why would he point out the vacuum of power? I don't know. I don't know. What is he? Why is he setting this up like King Arthur? Like if only someone could pull the sword from the stone, but nobody will. One must step up. They won't. If one man would step forward and lead the tar party. What they need is one person to still, God, there he is. Shit, I shouldn't have said that. That was so easy for them. Talk about architecture. I laid the blueprint for this one. So reports were in the news that the

sheriff was going to arrest Frank and Mamma. In the Illinois journal Gazette, district attorney Schmelker. Schmelker. Not a great name. Named after what happens to a penis with an STD. That's what it sounds like to me. Yeah. Said today that Wright and Ms. Bothwick are violating the statutes of Wisconsin and can be arrested without a warrant. Adultery. I think adultery is probably. Is that objectionable? Illegal at that time. Yeah. Illegal. Yeah. I think, I mean, adultery was illegal for a long time. Wow. We place, especially a place like Wisconsin. Fortunately, they, they don't have to have that lawn anymore because you guys don't fuck around.

Nobody in here has ever had an affair. Are you Dr. Filling the room for some reason? Is there about to be a spotlight on someone having an affair? Except for Daniel. Stand up, asshole. My wife records all those murder shows. That's a, that's a huge net you're casting. She's, what are we talking? ID snaps? There's like 30 different, you know, date lines and all those things. Date lines. Good. If she starts getting into snap too much. No. Buy some, buy her some stuff. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. If she starts, if she starts watching a lot of snapped and starts making a lot of muffins, you need to get the fuck out. You're about to get a rice and snack. Uh, so sometimes when I turn on the TV in the morning, Dr. Phil's on because it's

on the same channel. And that fucker still makes his wife hold his hand when he walks out of the studio. They still, it's the craziest. Well, keep in mind, Dave, not a doctor. So right there, when he became Dr. Phil, he was not like a doctor. Oh yeah, he got, he got, he lost his license, so he's not a doctor. He got it like how people get knighted, like how you become a sir. Oprah like knighted him. And he's like, now I'm a doctor for some fucking reason. You, that's, that should be his advice to everybody. Why don't you just start calling yourself doctor? It's really amazing. It'll change your life. You got a drug problem. Say you're a doctor. Yeah, you're a doctor. You're all doctors. Except for you, Daniel. Piece of shit. Son of a bitch. A local soup, local school

superintendent quote, the scandal is bound to have a demoralizing effect on the school children of the community. It is an outrage to allow young men and women and boys and girls to grow up in the belief that a man and women can go disregard the marriage bonds. So all these little kids are walking around knowing that people are in that house fucking to people who were married to other people. And so the kids minds are just fucked. Like the kids are essentially destroyed. When I grow up, I want to cheat. Oh, no. Oh, Bobby. Oh, yeah. With who? With everybody. I'm going to get two wives and cheat on all of them. Yeah. God damn it. There's no rules. Yeah. Frank Lloyd Wright, your mother fucker. I'm going to stay married to one woman and fuck another one. And then I have two women.

One that I come in and then one that I just fuck. What the fuck did you say? I'm going to come in the one big babies. I'm just going to fuck her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get off the slide. Get down here right now. Did you say you're going to come in a bunch of different women? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have one that makes the babies and then I'll have another one that I just fuck. Doggy style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She'll look out the window. Have a great big house. Son, I don't have anything to say. I think this is pretty great. Can you tell your mom that this would I would like also to do this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you make it seem like it's your idea. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'll just stand behind you and I'll go, it sounds okay. He wants it. All right. Great. Yeah. And then

I can I can just start fucking and I'll show you. Let's go to Vegas right now. Yeah. Well, I'll get some hookers and I can show you how it works. No. No. You don't want to watch your dad fuck. No, no, that's like you took my dream and made a really weird all of a sudden. Like my dream is really specific and it's an homage. Wow. And then when you run up, it's almost it's borderline incestuous. It's not incestuous. It's just look, I'll be honest. I think the marriage between you and mom is worthwhile. I taught you. You can't be loved by a lot of people. I taught you how to throw a football, right? Yeah, but that is no bearing right now. Same thing. No, totally different. Not at all. Except it's just me. Not an app

comparison. No, no, I just have one that I come in and I'm son. I got this. I guess I'll wait till I'm six. I always forget how old you are. The Taliesin estate became Frank's home and professional studio employees from chefs to maids live there. As did may not may not our kids. So it's a big, big community. Sure. One worker was Julian Carlton. He was a 30 year old handyman and butler. Classic combo. Honestly, of all the combos we've heard during this episode, that one makes the most sense to me. Magician poet priest. I'm a jazz musician, vacuum cleaner, synchronized swimmer developer. Julian was well educated, intelligent, but was described as a hothead by other employees. Okay, that's what you want in a butler. Yep. Yeah, I'll get you your fucking jam.

What is this deal lately? Julian, just shove it up your fucking ass. Only one raspberry jam. Here you go. Up your hole. Oh my God. God, these are tiny knives. It's the Unitarian. So his wife, Julian's wife also worked there as a cook. So in August 1914, Julian's wife noticed he was growing increasingly agitated and paranoid. He started keeping a hatchet by his bed when he slept. Were there any signs of the paranoia? But maybe there could be a wood emergency. Imagine trying to get yourself to the point in your established marriage that you're going to start sleeping with a hatchet by the bed. You can't just put it in bed tape. It's got to be like, I'm going to keep it under the bed

in the nightstand until eventually I'm going to hold it. Is that crazy to have it upright while I sleep? He was worried he was going to be laid off for getting into, he kept getting into arguments with the other employees. Okay, a hatchet will solve this. So he'd been like reprimanded and it was like, you got to get your shit together. On August 15th, Frank's out of town and during lunch, Memma, her two kids and six others were eating at a table on the porch. Julian came up and doused the floors with gasoline and set it on fire and locked the door. Well, remember when the hatchet by the bed was insane? What? What kind of? It's bold.

Herbert Fritz jumped out a window and rolled down. I think we're going to have to put this employee on probation. Herbert Fritz jumped out a window and rolled down the hill to put out the flames of his burning clothes. His coworkers broke through a barricaded bore and escaped a door and escaped through a window. Okay. Julian then attacked each escapee one by one with his hatchet, killing all but three people. Oh my God. What? The three, the three survivors badly burned and or severely wounded ran a half a mile to the nearest home and called the police and then towns people arrived first and found the remains of Memma, her two kids, two workers and a 13 year old boy.

One of the survivors died that day from his burns. The police found Julian in the basement furnace in the furnace where you go after you've done a murder. Get yourself in the furnace. Some locals tried to lynch him, but the cops intervened. He was taken to the jail, but he was unconscious because he tried to commit suicide by drinking acid. This is quite a part of this story. We're going through right now, David. Oh, is this unexpected? Yeah. This is a tough one. There's you turns and then there's donuts in the parking lot. Wow. Julian died weeks later because he couldn't eat from all the damage the acid had done to his stomach and esophagus. So he died from starvation. This is before

Prilosec. I should just point that out. Yeah. This is actually what led them to make it. Yeah. Jesus Christ. But before he died, he did say he was not guilty. I was just in the furnace. Well, yeah, you can't, you cannot, after a murder, you cannot explain a furnace thing. I was just in the furnace covered in blood. Well, I believe him for one. Am I crazy? Holding my magic hatchet. Well, I haven't heard a thing I think is wrong so far. Is anyone else heard anything they find troubling? I haven't. I believe this gentleman. Where are the witnesses? I guess the question is, why'd you drink all the acid? I guess that's what I'm sort of thinking

is though me. So thirsty. Well, there we go. Someone poke a hole in this. I'd love to see you try. I think this is pretty airtight. You know why I was thirsty? Why? I was in a furnace. Hey, why did I even have to ask why? I walked right into that one like a furnace. That's what that makes a ton of sense. So hot. Yeah. Well, of course. And you're going to reach for that water that, what? That should turn out to be a big thing of acid. Yeah. I don't know why it was the furnace. Why'd you drink so much of it? Didn't you know it was acid early? It seemed fine. Yeah. Well, again, I would love to find a hole in this tale. I don't see it. Well, you're a good guy. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. You're dying. Bye.

Bye. This was the biggest mass murder in Wisconsin history at the time. That's crazy. That's pretty cool. How many people died? I think it was eight. Wow. A lot. A lot for them. Now we're like, Hey, you're not going to make CNN. Yeah, you got to take it up. Newspaper headlines of the tally us in murders. A Racine Journal News quote six are slain in Love Castle. Why be an asshole right now? Six are slain in Love Castle Negro with a hatchet makes slaughterhouse of bungalow dining room then fires building the daily review quote crazy Negro writes last page in romance of Mema, Borthwick and Frank Lloyd Wright. This is the Ogden standard said the massacre was divine retribution quote the tragic ruin of the kingdom of love is the strongest argument that the

avenging angel still flies. Is that a poet slash magician writing that? That is insane. Steve, this is a tough part of the story. There's a lot of enemies emerging from nowhere. We were having a good little time. Yeah. Well, turns out people aren't great. Yeah, turns out right. Reporters too. That's the first part of that. At least we shook that Negro now is that Negro at the time was just Yeah, normal language. Of course, but it's another word they could have used. Sure, but it's still like the way it's framed is like, yeah, it's not great. We're crazy. Yeah, but he was crazy. He did set up a building. Yes, for sure. Right. For sure. So he's crazy for sure. But couldn't write the day like mild mannered Negro fires house like it doesn't are just like

crazy person kills people. But you know, yeah, none of it's our country. Yeah. Anyway, so a lot of people thought that he deserved it because he had been living in his fucking lady wasn't his wife, so you should get killed. It's very biblical. Sure. No, that's how it should go. So to cope with his grief, remember Jesus being kind of a prick. Oh, Jesus, like every other page in the Bible, Jesus, they're like, what should we do? And he's like, well, firebomb the fuckers like he says it to quote Jesus. Let me throw the first 30 stones, bricks. To cope with his grief, Frank immediately began began reconstructing Talias in I don't know how you rebuilt Taliesin. I don't know how you build it

again after that, but he probably are just so out of your mind that you're probably just like, I want to do something. And yeah, I mean, he buried he buried her himself. I mean, there's some flags here, but so he's definitely grieving. Yeah. I guess rebuilding it is. I mean, you who knows, but that amount of trauma, like, you're gonna want to think on something. Yeah. So witnesses said Frank became even more eccentric. Of course, he went to construction sites in velvet suits, cuffed trousers and high heeled shoes. I swear to God, I'm pretty close to this phase. So I'm here to dance. Yeah. I mean,

that's just sounds comfy to me. Heals I could do with that, but everything else I'm on board. Rebuilt the Taliesin was more beautiful than ever. After the media frenzy cooled, a woman named Nellie Breen knocked on Frank's door one day. That should not be that easy by the way. It's time for Frank to step up the security like to get to the door. There should be like riddles minimum a moat. Can we get a moat riddles riddles in a moat. That's my security. Physical mental. Let's see who we're dealing with. If you want to earn the knock, it's pretty old school. I will name a better tactic. Thank you. Nothing. Sorry. You can't come in till you figure out the riddle. What is the riddle? Right? That's gonna be tough. Can I take two moats?

So Nellie Breen knocks on his door and said she'd been sent by an associate at Midway Gardens to cook and clean for him. Midway Gardens was a Chicago indoor outdoor entertainment center that he'd built. Okay. So she just shows up and she's like, I'm here to help you. And he's like, cool, come on in. Again, I'm really not okay with what's happening right now. He just welcomes her into his home without any questions. Now, even the way you're framing it makes me feel worse. She's a devout Roman Catholic who assigned herself the job of being his protector. It's fine. It's normal. It's not normal. She screamed all his mail and burnt sympathy letters she didn't like. This guy's got to learn the power of no. Yeah. You don't just waltz into

someone's life and like, I'm your male bodyguard now. And you're like, okay. Well, it turns out you do. Okay. That's why you got to get a riddle in a moat. One day, Nellie left a letter on Frank's desk and told him he should read it. This is from Ada Huckstable's or Huck's table, her biography, Frank Lloyd Wright, a life quote. This is the letter. Well, the writer was a wealthy divorcee, Maude Mariam Noel, who had been living in Paris as an ex patriot and sculptor. Sorry, sculptor until the end of the First World War had forced her return. Mariam Noel, as she preferred to be known, was exactly the kind of cosmopolitan and liberated woman Wright would find interesting and consoling. Like Wright, she was a master of self image. Her dress was artistic in the current

mode. She favored turbans, scarves, ropes of beads and furs adorning long gowns and wraps, ropes of wraps, ropes of beads. So this is like a DM a little bit. She's sliding into his DMs a little bit. And yeah. So, so out of note. Okay. This is how this is shady. So Mariam sends Frank a series of very steamy sympathy notes. Dave, that is like even Hallmark won't go after that category. Steamy sympathy. I know you lost your uncle, but your dick's still hard, ain't it? I'll tell you about it. Sorry you had to bury your mom, but let me bury my face. Steve, turn the card. Turn the card over. I just wanted to let you know that the death of your mistress makes me so fucking wet.

Roses are red. Violets are blue. Your whole family's dead. I'm going to put it in you. These are the exact ones. Steamy sympathy. Oh, these tissues. Thank God for these tissues for my eyes. Someone's got double usage. Oh, I'm crying and hard. Mariam called him, quote, Lord of my waking dreams. Less than a year after the murders, she moved into Taley SN as Frank's mistress. Frank needs a friend so bad. Just the one person to talk to who didn't just knock on the door without a moat and riddle gambit who didn't have to go through a wizards obstacles obstacle course. So at this point, Frank asked Kitty for a divorce. I just kind of figured that one away.

And Kitty said no. I think it's going great. I think I'm starting to fall in love with Kitty. I mean, it's been years. Yeah. Yeah. They were murdered. And I guess I just need this to move on. No. No. Who's your girl? I'm not doing this, Kitty. Who's your girl? You're not. There's a woman flying in. She sends me steamy sympathy letters. She's my girl. You're not my girl. Who's your girl? I'm begging you for a divorce. I want out so bad. What I've gone through,

no person should go through. And I need a clean start. And I want to be done with this. Please. You are so cute. No, no. All right. I thought I'd try. Goodbye. It's so cute. Goodbye. Crying. I want to hug you. I mean, I could. Let's hug. You know what that'll lead to, but I'm into it. I'll do it. I'll throw one in you. I'll throw one in you. I'll throw it in you. So Miriam's a 45-year-old bohemian clairvoyant and sculptor. Finally. Finally. Finally. There we go. Back to normal. What Frank didn't know was that she had become... I'm a scoop instructor quarterback gymnast. What Frank did not know was that she had become addicted to morphine while living in Paris,

which caused frequent mood swings and bouts of irrational violence and anger. This is why you're going to have a little protection to get to the place. Some screeners. Nelly and Miriam did not get along. What a nightmare. The fake secretary, lady. Yeah, but Frank is now like he's just now in another living nightmare. Yeah. So being religious, Nelly despised the adulterous life that Frank led. What? Then fuck off. You came here. Fuck you. The fuck out of here. I'll open my own mail. Fucking need a moat. Well, tension grew in the household that Frank eventually put Nelly out. He's like, you're fucking done here. Okay. So Nelly stole Miriam's

very sexual sympathy love letters and gave them to the press. I thought they were steaming sympathy letters. I mean, she was his fake assistant. So she should be mad that she got fired from the job she hired herself for. Well, it's also what a betrayal Frank must feel for someone who just showed up on your door and said they were just going to screen your letters. Yeah. I mean, you put all your faith in this person you've done for weeks. So she also told local officials Frank had violated the Man Act. She's leaving like Omarosa. That was a law that prohibited transporting women for the purposes of sex trafficking and immoral behavior, basically. But it's not for this type of thing. It's for like

people who are actually sex trafficking. Right. But in this case, Frank was charged with taking Miriam from Illinois to Wisconsin for sexual purposes. It's one of those things where you make a law and you don't really define it and then assholes take advantage of it. So you cannot you can only fucking your state essentially. You have to be careful. The man in another state is like a dime bag of weed in the 80s. No, no, if you if you basically if you were if you were actually making someone work as a sex worker, that's what it's for. But they used it in this case. Well, yeah, so then they open it up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So he's charged. Clarence Darrow defended defended Frank and got all the charges

dismissed. But at that point, reporters are all over it. According to Frank's son, Frank's time with Miriam wasn't great. Quote, she would grabbed and bagged him, then dragged gagged and shagged him. Sorry. Was that Dr. Seuss Austin Powers? Why is he writing like that? He's like, I only rhyme. Dad was so dominated, seduced, coerced, chastised, conscripted over. This is like a Johnny Cochran closing argument. And bash odd that at times he wasn't even any man. Maybe Miriam was the victim of a satanic influence that incited and directed her course. And thus a private mangle bangle became a public became a public Alice in Wonderland became a public jingle jangle

extra Dave, Dave, I'm gonna stop. I need an age. I need an age right now. I need an age. I need an age. Oh, he's really old when he wrote this. Okay. Well, so what's his deal? I don't know. What was he doing? I think he's a bad writer. No, no, no, that's not bad writing. That is insane. That is rambling writing. Well, I don't think he grew up in a normal household. He's a bangle shangle, make a mangle, and everything my dad did wanted to tangle. He was a big boss, but he liked a piece of toast. I don't know. Something sounds like Patton's comedy a little bit. A mangle bangle. So again, what was it like to grow up in that world for my father? Just please? Well, let me tell

you a bangle, bangles, shangle, dangles. It was quite a ride till he found his slide that his mom and dad pulls out a banjo. So Frank wants to get out of the spotlight because, you know, because his life is crazy. Yeah, there's a lot going on. So he took a job to build the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo. Super big job. Okay, gets him out of the country. He and Maryam spent four years in Japan, especially to just hope everything cools down and in the States and people forget about him. Sure, that'll happen. So, so as Frank worked, Maryam spirals out of control. Morphean was super easy to get in Japan. That was the one thing I was thinking is like, maybe she won't be able to. Okay, nope. And so she's just feeding her drug habit like she never

has before. I think around this time is when he became aware that she was a drug addict. He didn't know that she was on morphine. Surprise. It's not the thing you normally tell people. Her temper got worse. Her behavior became more frantic. Kitty. The Terminator rising from the ashes. Frank. I love you. You've been dead for six years. I want to marry you again. Oh my god. I mean, I will fuck you. I'm not gonna lie. I will. She granted him a divorce in 1922. Wow. Wow. What changed? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not sure how long they were apart,

but God, I mean, it was fucking years, right? At the one time when he's like, actually, I've been thinking about you a lot lately. Things aren't working out over here too well. I mean, 1914, 1911, 1911. It was 11 years. Well, she hung in there to see if it would work out, you know. Yeah. I mean, imagine, look, Frank, I have some tough news. I've been thinking about it a lot, and I don't think this is going to work out. Well, no shit. Let me finish. I've, I can't, let me finish. I've had a mass murder. I've thought about this a lot. We've grown apart. Physically and emotionally. And I just don't think this is right for me anymore.

I can't do this anymore. I think it changed for me that first time you said you wanted to divorce 11 years ago. I thought to myself, this is a flag. This is not a good sign. But I loved you. So I hung in there when you went on your two other relationships, which was not easy for me, three, whatever it was, I wasn't paying attention. My heels were so far in the sand, but I, I now think it's time. You know, I didn't know this was going to hurt, but I'm kind of bummed out. Me too. Let's not do it, baby. No, I'm kidding. No, I'm not. I love you. You're right. Fuck it. I'll tear this shit up.

Fuck. Fuck. I feel so good. What a third act. So one thing Kitty put in the agreement was that Frank had to wait a year to, to marry Mariam. Okay. He should, she should be a friend and put in 20 years. So they got married in 1923 and the marriage ended in less than a year. Okay. Great. Mariam left Frank to live in Los Angeles because LA had a huge heroin problem and it was close to Mexico, which was easy to get heroin from.

It's just, if you're making that move, it's a dark time. Yeah. What brings you to LA? Heroin. Really easy to get it here. Kind of done. Okay. Well, we can't hire you. Sorry. I forgot I was in an audition. I'm sorry. These are good nuggets. I am looking for heroin exclusively.

I booked it. So Frank, at this point, Frank was not doing well financially because when he was in Japan, the press forgot about him, but also so did all of the important clients. Everyone kind of moved on. Okay. So six months after Mariam left, Frank went to a ballet in Chicago and there he was sitting next to a beautiful young woman. Okay. He needs to get in like a Pope mobile kind of situation for a couple of years. We need to put him in what they put Sigourney Weaver in in Aliens.

We got to put Frank in it for a little while. We need just like five years for him to just cryogenically chill. Come back. We're like, whoa, what am I? What a cycle. Olga Lazovich Hitsenberg. American. She was a close Serbian. She was a mystic and a dancer. Dude, he just got done fucking a psychic pottery person, a psychic sculptor.

I'm a teacher. She's from an aristocratic Serbian family. She recently left her husband with their young daughter, Svetlana. Olga had lived in Paris where she became a follower of a spiritual guru, Georgie Mirdegief. Which we know is caught on because of how familiar we are with him. That's right. He taught at the Institute for Harmonious Development of Man. Yeah. I went to, that's where I got my undergrad.

Frank was 57. Olga was 26. They immediately began. I think maybe he just wants bullshit. There are people like that. He just wants bullshit. Is this going to go inside my head? Get out of here. If you grew up in chaos, unless you fix yourself by chaos and probably only further entrenched went like with the tragedies of his life where he's just like, he needs that. Yeah, for sure. So, so they immediately began a relationship. Olga and Svetlana soon moved in to

Taliesin, Taliesin. I don't, I really don't care, but I just, I just like that it's upsetting you guys more and more. But I will say how polite they, like in most cities we go to people like, everyone here has just been like. But it's so, it's so great. It's so great how mad it makes you. Olga was soon pregnant and, and she got a divorce. Well, she had a divorce. Oh, she finally got a divorce. She had left him, but it's official now.

So Maryam initially accepted Frank's request for a divorce when he asked. He's like, may I get a divorce? So it's moving forward and then she finds out about Olga and she rushes back to Chicago from California and says she's no longer giving him a divorce. Bad. That was quite a card that was played. The no. And then she made everything, she did everything she could to make Frank's life hard. At one point she started screaming at him in a Chicago hotel and she had to be carried out of the building.

She held a news conference where she said Frank had beat her and called her a quote vile, vulgar and decent and abusive wife. She eventually admitted that she pulled a gun and a knife on him. So it's not a great relationship. International newsreel quote, 11 years ago, Miss Noel threw conventions to the wind by taking up her abode with the eccentric architect in his $80,000 love bungalow at Spring Green, Wisconsin. Like murders happened there. Love bungalow is bangshack of love. Family was killed. Yeah, we don't talk about that. That's not fun for headlines.

Oh no, it says love bungalow at Spring Green, Wisconsin, taking the place of Wright's murdered affinity, Mamma Boothrick Cheney, whose life was snuffed out by a demented colored caretaker. You know, I guess I'm the guy who requested more headline and upon hearing my option would love to retract the note. I completely retract it. I do not stand by what I wanted. I wish it had ended where it did. Yeah. Miss Wright scoffs at the great Harold Chivalry of her architect husband and charges cruelty against him, especially mentioning one occasion when he broke two of her ribs. So they're throwing shit back and forth. You know, she's trying to, in May 1925, a fire destroyed the residential quarters of the Taliesin for a second time. How is it getting more Parisian

the Taliesin? Defective wiring was said to have caused the fire. Frank lost much of his Japanese art collection, which I read between $250 and $500,000. So a lot of fucking money. Uh-huh. He barely has any money left. So he mortgages everything he owns. On December 2nd, 1925, Frank and Olga had a daughter, uh, Yovana. Mariam showed up at the hospital. Awesome. Awesome. And screamed insults outside Olga's room, demanding to see her husband's baby. What is, I mean, good Lord. This is like a TMZ stunt. Uh, it tells she was dragged away by an orderly. Frank and Olga were so freaked out by the incident that, uh, Olga took her new baby and they went to New York City and then they took a ship to Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico to make sure Mariam

couldn't find them. So he's in a long distance relationship now? Okay. Great. With his, with a baby and his wife. Perfect. Well, because he fears his other, his current wife, who's a heroin addict is not great. It's not good. When Olga and, uh, Yovana returned to Chicago in 1926, Mariam filed a lawsuit against Frank claiming alienation of affections and demanding 100,000 in damages alienation of affections. So he took it away. Jesus Christ. She also attempted to have Olga deported as an undesirable alien. This is why you don't just marry people who have, uh, to send you a letter. This is why you don't just go, I'll do that. Sounds good. Let's go to Japan. Let's do that. Let's really junkie up. Well, it's, it's just how you met back then. You

sent someone a letter and you're like, I like how your family was killed and I'm hot. Guess what I'm wearing? Like it's like, you know, well, Dave, there's a downside. Yeah. Yeah. Mariam then contacted Olga's ex-husband and said Frank had abducted Svetlion, Svetlana. Together, Mariam and Olga's ex-husband filed a joint lawsuit against Frank for 250,000. What? Olga's ex-husband threw an additional $500 reward for Frank and Olga's capture cap. What? What are they? What? They're there, right? Yeah. The courts dismissed all of that. The courts are like, yeah, that's all not none of that's real. They're there. So then we don't need to capture them. They are right there. In September, September 1926, the court granted Mariam access to a

taelasa. But it's burned. No, but they rebuilt it. Okay. Frank and Olga left and fled to a lakeside village in Minnesota. So Mariam now gets to stay there while they flee? The court was like, well, yeah, you were living there as man and wife and you got to be able to go in and get your stuff. Sure. So they get freaked out and they leave. So then Mariam goes into the, into the estate and goes on a rampage and destroys everything she can get her hands on until employees restrained her and removed her. At least she got her stuff. Yeah. And then Mariam somehow found that Olga and Frank were in Minnesota and she contacted federal officials and accused Frank of violating the Man Act. Man. Fuck. This is why I'm single.

I can't tell you how many times my wife calls the cops on me and says I violated the Man Act. At some point you're like, I'm with her. Yeah, but you transported her for sex. Yeah, with me. So you, it's not that, no, this is what the rule is. You can only fuck in the state you reside in unless you're married. Yeah. Perfect. Fair. I'd love to, hun, but we're in Michigan. That would be highly illegal. I brought you here for a dinner, nothing else. Stop her in a show. That's what I promised to bed. I'll fuck you tomorrow when we get back to Milwaukee. Fuck it in Milwaukee. That's where the song comes from, right? Yeah. Hell yeah, that song comes from there. So cops raided Frank and Olga's home in Minnesota late at night and put them in jail for

two days. Yovanna and Svetlana. Was there a conjugal visit at least? That's illegal. You guys have got to go to jail for two more days. Yovanna and Svetlana were cared for by a foster family through those two days. Frank finally made bail and then the charges were dropped. They returned to Tala Saha, but the bank of Wisconsin was foreclosing on the estate for overdue mortgages totaling $43,000. Okay. So back then, who knows? I didn't tally it up, but that's a lot of fucking money. So Frank sold all of his livestock, his entire Japanese print collection that was left and auctioned off all of his belongings. He then made arrangements to rent a home in La Jolla, California, La Jolla. It's a joke. It's fucking, I know where La Jolla is. It's right near my

fucking house. You fuck it. That was still not far enough to get away from Mariam. Jesus Christ. She showed up at their house. I can't believe that I called Kitty the Terminator. We've got the T1000 now. She showed up at their house and broke in and destroyed all of the remaining belongings. Dude, you've got to be like, you can't sleep. Well, she's focused. You've got to live like Saddam Hussein. You've got to just have like five places you go to enter. You just go to every two days. A new spider hole? Well, I would, hopefully, no, I'm talking about like, he had palaces. The spider hole is not. That's where they found him, though. It was like a spider hole. It found him, but he wasn't like, this is also a palace. He was just in a spider hole like, please, no. Yeah,

but that's why I think you stayed. I think that was one of his crash pads. No, that was not a crash pad. Yeah, that was a... It's my Airbnb. You don't know shit about Saddam, so he had all these palaces, but he felt most comfortable in a spider hole. I already told you the best fact about Saddam Hussein. What's that? That he would pour water on his Doritos. In the bag? Yeah. Pour it into the bag? Yeah, he'd pour water into the bag Doritos. What a fucking madman. That was when they like, had captured, you know, captured him or whatever, but it was like, I heard that and I was like, well, he shouldn't die, but he should be in jail. Making a Doritos soup. It's not great. Did he drink the water? I think he just liked the Doritos

soggy. He pretty much cheese-curted Doritos, if you think about it. That's fair. So in the spring of 1927, Frank and Olga had to go to New York to fight the deportation charges brought against Olga. All the negative publicity that had happened had ruined his business, but the divorce proceedings with Merriam were finally finalized in August 1927. Frank and Olga officially married in August 1928, and Merriam died the fire the next year. So great ending. Oh, it's not over. Are we about to see a hand come out of a grave? By 1932, Frank and Olga had brought back Tala Atah. They posted an ad offering students the opportunity to study and work under Frank at his home.

Twenty-three people accepted. They would all work and live at the estate. This was the first class of the Tala Asin Fellowship in the Frank Lloyd Wright School of Architecture, which still exists to this day. The fellowship was unconventional. Students had to follow Frank's daily routine from day to night. They had to feed him his meals while listening to his renditions of Bach and Beethoven. Was he playing it? I think he was just like humming at her. I don't think it's... I mean, really good. The students worked in the drawing room, farmed and harvested Frank's crops, and talked so much shit when he wasn't around. What the fuck are we doing here? This is insane. I'm becoming an architect. I don't know that we

are. I need to be fed again. Go feed Frank. This is a good school. Is Harvard like this? Yeah, Harvard sucks. Give me that apple. The students tended to his animals, carried limestone to his construction sites, cleaned his estate. All while paying him a tuition of $675 a year, which is the same as like $12,000 now. It's not bad. Famous architectural critic Ada Lewis Huxable called it, quote, a shameless scam, a form of indentured servitude. And Olga was very involved. Interesting. She lectured students on the spiritual teachings of her guru, Georgie.

So there's just no real purpose to this collegiate program, right? And she invited her guru there to speak to the students. Okay, okay. So what the school is, is that Frank is crazy and needs to get fed and just sings Beethoven. And then meanwhile, she on a completely different tangent is just teaching you the ramblings of this person who she's now flying out. That's right. Okay. Students found that Frank was extremely vain and difficult to work with. The student clay, students claim they would often hear Frank singing, quote, I am the greatest to himself many times a day, many times a day.

Hey, oh no, that's not the greatest. He's coming. Here he is. How old, what is it? How old is he? Oh God, he's all 60 years. Maybe older, maybe 70s. I hope it's 70s. I mean, I hope it's 90s. It's 1932. He was born in 67. I want pie. I'm the greatest. Yeah, he's mid, he's mid 60s.

I mean, I'll stop, but I could do it all night. When questioned about his, when questioned about his vanity by reporter, Frank said, quote, early in life, I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility. I chose honest arrogance. I am the greatest. There is a lot of controversy around the fellowship, particularly with the student's living conditions and educational instruction. Frank made the female apprentices wear milk made outfits. Okay, dokey, we've got another problem.

This is not allowed. This is not a fellowship. What are you talking about? There's a lot of problems. Welcome to architecture school. Put on the milk made outfit and you're going to be a naughty maid and you're a she double. I am the greatest. And he was paying for plane fare to get there and see that I'm wearing what and what is he saying? I'm out of here. He would make them in the milk made outfits deliver bread or fresh milk to his other employees. This is like students. No, is what I'm trying to say.

Students had to attend Sunday morning chapel, even if they were atheist or Jewish. If a meal was not to Frank's liking, he would throw the dish out the window. He's like a medieval king. Finally something I can relate to imagine being at the level where you could toss food out a fucking window. Imagine being like, I don't need a bowl. Imagine if you had enough bowls to do that. Students had to organize and perform musicals and plays. Dude, this, what is happening? This is nuts. This is not okay. And they had to build a theater to stage them.

This is, I mean, obviously this is now a cult. The second you start doing theatrical productions, you are a cult. You have just jumped in. Frank called it the Taley FN Playhouse and hosted shows and conferences for the academic elite. Not everyone thought I was exploitive. One apprentice wrote quote, Frank is devoid of consideration and has a blind spot regarding others qualities. Yet I believe that a year in his studio would be worth any sacrifice. Well, so that is kind of like what I'm wondering. Like it is like if you go study under like an amazing chef for a year and he berates you and treats you like shit, but you do walk away like, oh, I know how to do this better.

Like, are you walking away with skills? Plenty of people go through a total fucking hell. Yes. To, I went to someone who was considered to be a great acting teacher and he was a fucking son of a bitch. It would just yell. I'm a super mean to everybody. But like Sam Rockwall, his great guys went to him and everyone just put up with it because he's supposed to be great. But then I saw Tony Hale was in my class. Tony Hale was in my class and I saw Tony, like five years after I moved to Hollywood. And I was like, so what do you think of William's class? He goes, Oh God, it was fucking garbage. I didn't learn a thing. So it wasn't in the end. At the end, it was all reputation. Like you were putting up with

bullshit because you thought it was cool. There are people who have minds for that for short. I feel like Frank is not in this position any longer where he is like an amazing like, I'm going to pull this out of you. I feel like he's at the phase where he's just like, this porridge is cold. I toss it on my driveway from the second floor. Yeah. Yeah. But are they learning? They're learning stuff about architecture at the same time. Maybe, but it's just it's not normal that you're like the cutthroat industry of architecture. Look, it's not like he's like top-chefing architecture, essentially. Yeah. I mean, he's making people basically go through torture to give him a little bit of

knowledge. Yes. There was also a lot of sexual frustration among the young men at Dave, the school, the outnumbered the women by a vast majority. Olga believed sex was a quote expression of one's essence on the path to spiritual development. So she was very involved in the sex lives of the apprentices. There we have it. You are a cult. Once you start fucking them, you're a cult. She's not fucking them. She's not fucking them. She would discuss the importance of orgasms and their influence on creativity and advise the men to quote, seek each other out to compensate for the shortage of women. Prison. At least the milkmaids are free. I'm a glass half full kind of person.

Olga would line male apprentices up in two lines facing each other. I like where this is headed. Then pair them off and send them away to have sex with each other. Wow. I mean, it's fully a cult. If the second that like someone has the power to just be like you two fuck each other, despite gender or whatever, like that you are, I mean, this is a cult. This led to an abundance of gay orgies. It is a side product. Yes. And became known as the sex club. Okay. Olga was very comfortable with homosexuality. She counseled the apprentices and assured them that being gay was not a perversion. Frank was the same way. Most of his close friends were gay and his innermost circle of favorite apprentices

were disproportionately gay men. Olga urged many female apprentices to have relations with the straight male apprentices by explaining quote, part of their function was to keep the boys of Tally S.E. in happy and content. So well, it's a cult. You're right. For sure a cult. But now, I mean, she is just basically just saying everybody fuck everybody fuck. Right. Okay. But Frank is on the second floor being like, this stew is not warm. I'm the greatest. Even Olga's own daughter, Yovanna was now grown and heavily involved in the sexual activities. Shady. Olga would discuss her sex life with students. She said she and Frank had sex two or three times a day and that Frank's sexual stamina stamina quote rivaled that of the

legendary Indian yogis. Whom I've also fucked. Lots of them. Frank's sexual appetite was so seemingly endless that she wants consulted a doctor about it. Jesus Christ. He won't stop fucking. Doctor. Well, good luck. During this time, have you tried putting a meat tenderizer on the back of his neck? Yes. I've got nothing else. All he did was come. Yeah, got nothing. During this time, Frank slowly made a professional comeback. He developed a new architectural design called the Usonian house, which was known for its unique open space planning. Frank thought by doing this women would have a larger workspace or what he called the kitchen. I felt like it was going there the second I heard the open floor. It would make it make the food the right temperature

in there. So I don't have to throw the dishes out the goddamn wonders. It would make it easier for housewives to keep track of their children and guess this style set the precedent for yes, this house is perfect for the small mind of a woman. It set the precedent for postwar suburban houses as his designs became more experimental, Frank's behavior and personal style became a stranger to that's possible. His typical outfit was a broad brimmed hat, red line cape and an embellished cane, embellished. What is an embellished cane? It's just like a candy. I'm the greatest. One neighbor said he came to a bank wearing a very nice suit and no shoes in response to the tellers like to withdraw a pair of shoes. In response to the teller's reaction,

Frank said quote you could do this if you weren't so straight laced. Yeah, it's a bank. Anyway, what do you need? But MoMA curator Barry Begdahl said Frank was quote a bundle of contradictions, both socially progressive and incredible. When he designed his school for African American children in the south, he boasted that he quote was doing something for the darkies. Well, you were. And even though he had many Jewish clients, Frank would openly say America's entry into World War II was engineered by the Jews. So we held a lot of popular terms close to his heart. That's right. Frank's ego somehow got larger. How? When accepting a medal from the American

Institute of Architects, he called himself quote the greatest architect who has ever lived. He's getting it from other architects. I'm better than all of you fucks. All right. I'm number one. I'll find any of you. I'm the greatest. I am the greatest. Once when he was testifying in a trial. I need to fuck. I need to put my penis in something now. Once when he was testifying in a trial, he said he was the greatest architect when asked how he could verify such a claim. He responded, you forget I am under oath. That, by the way, that is baller. That is awesome. That's pretty good. How do you prove that? I just said I did it in front of God. After several harsh winners in a row in Wisconsin, Frank gave his students a new project.

Get rid of snow. A second complex in the warm climate of Arizona. This guy just loves the end of the spectrum. There's other places. You don't need to go to the Arctic or the desert. Over the next few years, his apprentice has built it by hand. Once complete, students spent the first half of the year in Wisconsin at the campus and the winter in the Arizona. Frank continued to take on big projects as he aged. If anything, he did his best work well into his 70s. Frank's most famous building, the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in New York City, took him 16 years to design. In April 4, 1959, Frank was hospitalized for abdominal pains. He underwent surgery. I need to come. Someone whack me off. Just jerk it. No,

don't cut me up and just jerk the thing. There's a tube. You can get it all out. The dentist uses it to get the spit out of my mouth. Find one. Guys, we're almost done. I mean, let's chill out. We're having some fun, right? Let's let a rip. So he died five days later on April 9. Frank was buried in the Lloyd-Jones Cemetery in Wisconsin beside his wonderful mother, Anna. Frank Lloyd Wright. And actually Miriam, who crawled through the soil. Hello, Frank. Hi, Miriam. It's Miriam. Wrong casket. Frank Lloyd Wright remains a celebrated and respected figure in architecture and history to this day. Eight of his buildings are on the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

Frank is so famous that Paul Simon, I don't know. But even after his death, Paul Simon wrote a song so long, Frank Lloyd Wright. But it was actually a song about how he was going to leave Art Garfunkel. And Art Garfunkel sang it with him. I didn't realize until years later, he was like, oh my God, what a dick. I don't know if that makes me like Paul Simon more or less. Everything you should make, everything you should make him like you, like him less. Okay, thanks. He's a terrible person. But even after death, controversy followed Frank. When Olga neared her own death years later, her dying wish was to be cremated with Frank and Svetlana and buried together in a memorial garden at their Arizona home. Members of the Taliesin.

Isn't that satisfying? Fellowship at the time illegally removed Frank's body from his grave. Jesus Christ. Cremated him. What? And sent the remains to Scottsdale, Arizona, where they were placed in the garden as Olga requested. The original grave site in Wisconsin is still marked with Frank's name and headstone, but the plot is empty. That is dark. That's a cult. Yeah, that is a cult. Yeah, you're digging up a body and burning it. Yeah, you're in a cult. It's okay. We're going to mix the ashes. Oh, okay. I thought it was weird. Oh, yeah. Boy, that is crazy. I, I had no fun. I was just, I was always just like, yeah, I like his building. I know the name. I know the name and know that he's an architect. I was like, yeah, he's a good architect.

Fuck Jesus Christ. It's sucker for punishment. It's bad. You guys, you guys made a bad person. I just want to say that he was damaged as shit. Yeah, it turns out you can track that one back to the parents. Yeah. It's weird too, because they say childhood normally doesn't affect your adult life. Yeah, usually saying just Frank's an example of where it kind of did. Yeah, it's one of the first stories we've read. Yeah. Yeah. Usually a kid can just totally weather that kind of shit. Yeah. Get meat, tend rise and whatnot. Being forced to be an architect at two. One wife for babies, one for fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, this room's quite a shit. I don't know what to tell you.

I apologize for everything that happened here tonight. Are you still Unitarian? Yes. I am still Unitarian. How many are not Unitarian after this show? That's fair. What did you say? I? That's not the right time. I got nothing. Guys, thank you so much for coming out. We appreciate the shit out of it. I really do appreciate it. Thank you. Love your city. Thank you. All right. I want to read you the sources for this. The main sources, Wright and New York, the making of America's architect by Anthony Alofson, death in a prairie house, Frank Lloyd Wright,

and the Taliesin murders, William R. Drennan, the Fellowship, the untold story of Frank Lloyd Wright and the Taliesin Fellowship, Roger Friedland and Harold Zelman, and Frank Lloyd Wright, A Life by Ada Louise Huckstable, and then a ton of websites, books from the family, Frank's book, John's book, Olga Vana's book, so they're all there. Go check out the sources and read them. You know what I'm saying.