The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 409 - Leonard Peltier

Episode Date: December 24, 2019

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine American Indian Movement member Leonard Peltier.SourcesTour DatesRedBubble Merch

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podcast into an interview thing which makes no sense. I don't know if it's an interview thing as much it is. It is an interview. I don't want to do this. If you have, all right give me some questions. What are your questions? What was it like growing up and when did you become afraid of history? All right okay we're good. We're good here. Feel good. I'm talking to Gareth Reynolds from the dollop about his podcast. At what point did you become David Anthony's Nemesis? Okay I'm not, I'm not gonna do this because we're not Nemesis and you're Dave. It's just stupid. The whole thing is incredibly stupid. When did you stop

yes anding improvisation? When it, you know, when it's based so close. Okay. My name's Gary. My name's Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to Tickly Podcast. Okay. This is like an ad on a five part coefficient. My room's a place. Now hit him with a puppy. You both present sick arguments. No sleep, no hip-hop. That's like no hip-hop. Action partner. Hi Gary. No. Nice to see you, dad my friend. No, no. Roder, Roder in the car. Hey. Hey buddy. How are you? Good. You back to normal? Feel okay? What are you talking about? Okay good. Did you do that interview with the guys and over? You can, we have a lot of dates coming up Dave. Well, first I'll say this. I have an album called Riddlewood

Disease. You can buy it on my website, garethronalds.com. Also I will be in Australia at the end of January into February. I've added dates to Perth and Adelaide. Celebrate. Adelaide I'll be there. Celebrate. Well the 24th and 25th of January. Did I say June before? I'm in January. And then the 23rd of January I will be in Perth. I'm at the Rhino Room in Adelaide and I'm at Rosie O'Grady's in Perth. And then we'll be on tour. The dollop is heading out on the road for a lot of dates. We're gonna be in San Jose, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Denver, Vancouver at the Just For Love Comedy Festival, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, two shows in Seattle, both of

which are now on sale, two shows in Portland, both of which are now on sale, Houston, Austin, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Nashville, another festival, St. Louis, Kansas City, Des Moines, West Palm Beach, Tampa, Orlando, Louisville, Indianapolis. You hear Aaron say go cards when you said St. Louis? Did you say Vancouver? You did. I did say Vancouver. And my response to that is keep it down. You know, we're not here to hear your baseball opinions. Yeah. No, this is a faux interview show about the show we're doing. I don't know if you... Which has a side, a nemesite chat. We do. We do nemesite chats. Yeah. It's like a fireside but a nemeside. Yeah. I think a lot of people listening to

his podcast are exploring the sort of complicated and exciting world of being a nemesis and what it means and, you know, it's always been sort of a cartoony thing, but now people are really sort of getting a taste of the... Oh, it's nice for them to have a grounded one to really get their hands around. Yeah. That's good. Of what it's like to actually understand the nemesis relationship. Sure. And I'm doing a podcast on using fewer words. You should listen to it. You'd like it. It'd really help you. You know what I'm saying? Go Cards! Aaron tells me my favorite pitcher is now no longer on the Giants, but I stopped paying attention to the Giants. That's right. You like football now. I'm a huge football guy.

Your team won today, barely. Did you know that? Barely. Yeah, barely. They like to hold it to the last bit. They did against New Orleans. They didn't have to do it against your team. Your team was over. That game was over in the first minute and a half. It was 10 to nothing in under two minutes, I believe. Your team fell down and rolled the ball into the end zone or something. Well, we thought that's how we scored. It was silly. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, and my team has also won the Super Bowl more recently than your team. Where are you going? You can't leave. It's not how arguments work. Actually, it is how arguments work. What are you looking for? I was looking for the pluggy. Oh. Oh, just like the Packers football. So for

those of you listening right now who are like, why is the show coming to a dramatic halt, Dave is Buster Keating around the room looking for an outlet for his iPad. And he found one. I'm just going to cut that out. Turn the Benny Hill music off, Aaron. It's over. You're quite the butthole. I'm trying to keep this professional. That's my new album title. Quite the butthole? Quite the butthole. I like it. I was driving over here and I was listening to God, I'm so tired. That's not the best comedian, Whitebeard. What? Whitebeard. Oh, Greybeard. Greybeard. The best comedian. He was like the fucking classic old guy, Carlin. Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, I know you're talking about one of the greats with the idea

that even Carlin goes like, yeah, okay. I started whenever I listened to it. What would my legacy be? George, you'll be known for your beard. I was listening to it on my phone and then I was listening to it on iTunes music and they just stopped halfway through and I couldn't get to play again. George always said stop. It was very fitting, wasn't it? Well, a lot of people like the setup more than anything. They just like to hear like, oh, there's a map. I don't need to know if he got there. September 12, 1944. Year of our Lord Jesus Christ. We thank the Lord for the stuff we're about to receive and go get them. Leonard Peltier was born in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Okay. What's his name? Peltier. Peltier. Peltier. His mother was half Sioux and his father was

three quarters Ojibwa. Okay. His father served in Germany during World War II where Leonard said he was, quote, machine gunned in the legs. Wow. But survived. Okay. I don't know if his legs were still there, but probably not super functional. Machine gunned. He was machine gunned. Wait, that's a lot of bullets. Well, those bullets come out fast. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that is synonymous with machine guns. Yeah. Leonard's parents separated when he was four. Leonard and his younger sister then moved in with their paternal grandparents at a small ranch on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation in North Dakota, 10 miles south of Canada. Okay. In 1950, they moved to Montana and soon after they were living there, three white kids. Here we go. Started throwing

rocks at Leonard one day while yelling, quote, hey, you dirty Indian, go home. I don't care if you're a fucking kid. Is there a dumber thing to yell in America? Is there a dumber sentence in American history? Then hey, Indian, go home. Is there a dumber one? You can only equal it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just leaving the door open because I haven't heard it yet, but I would hate to say that that is but I mean, but it is. I mean, the ants like, yeah, it's not great. No, it should clearly be Leonard throwing rocks, being like, go home, white people. That's right. One rock hit Leonard. So he quote, picked up a rock the size of a marble, and I hit him on the temple. I seen blood. And with his screaming, I panicked and ran straight home. Okay. I mean,

by the way, is that that is what we like to call Americans foreign policy. Well, he hit, he hit, I mean, you know, he was right to throw a rock back. Yes. But then the second that you get hit, you're like, what? Yeah. Oh, no, you did it. You did it. Sure enough, the kid's mother came to his home yelling that Leonard had tried to kill her son. Clearly. Yep. Yeah. Right. His grandmother did not speak English. So she was unable to answer. Cool. This just made the white woman more angry. Sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're here, learn our language. Oh, wait. Yeah. Wait. And she called his grandmother a quote, stupid Indian bitch. Where do you think the kid got this from? I don't know. This energy and this

level of ignorance. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Comics, video games. Yeah, she said she was going to have the entire family jailed. The next day, the people. What people, yeah, what people, what people, yeah, what people. The next day, the Appalachirs move back to North Dakota. Why? I don't know. Weird economy. Yeah, it was the economy. They couldn't get a job there. In late 1952, Leonard's grandfather died of pneumonia. The family struggled. And in 1953, Leonard was sentenced to a Wahpeton Indian school. We've never done an episode on Indian schools. But essentially, they put Native Americans... Give a long, weird hair that's not yours coming out of your chin. That's mine. That's not yours. Okay. Essentially, it was to

completely strip them of their Native American culture. Oh, God. That should not be called Indian school. Yeah. The forced assimilation to... Indoctrination nation. To white American culture by forbidding any Native American culture upon arriving. Well, I mean, that is so, that really is like... I mean, it's been done throughout history. It's slow erosion of this shit, but it's so... I mean, were you around in England when you were a kid when they would not say the names of Irish things on the television and it would just be blank? Not old enough to remember that, but I'm sure I was. Yeah. I think when they talked about the IRA or they certainly did not allow the Irish to speak their native tongue. Right. Oh, yeah. So, it would just

be a blank, nothing happening on the TV. It's historical. It's been going on forever. You don't let people speak language. You don't let them have their culture. Right. And you break them. It's the same thing they did in Wales. They do. No, it's like you're breaking the cycle. Yeah. Yeah. Except in this way, it's your personal history, which is cool. Upon arriving, quote, our heads were cut military style. Next, we were... Hair was cut. Hair was cut, what did I say? Okay. My heads. Oh, well, he said heads. Yeah, but I just want to clarify because otherwise... Yeah, that's weird. Military style head cut. I don't know if you've seen the looks of those. It's not the same at all. It's not great. It's not

a great look. Next, we were stripped and DDT was poured on us. Jesus Christ. And then we were marched in a line to wait for our turn to shower. This is a school? Yep. If there was any dirt or dead skin left, when we were finished, we were turned around and given a few hard wax with a school ruler and told to go rewash. So essentially, prison. Yes, right, right. That sounds like prison. Yeah. But again, the family cannot feed their kids and they feel the only thing they can do to let them survive is to send them to these schools. Sure. Students were beaten for climbing trees. Jesus. For making their beds too slowly and for speaking their native language. Right. That's cool. Yeah, it is cool. That's

cool. And because they're kids. Yeah, it's not scary. That's right. Right. After four years at a Walpheaton, Leonard graduated in 1957. He moved in with his mother and in Grand Forks. That winter, they were low on fuel and were worried they would run out as a storm was approaching. Okay. So 13 year old Leonard and a friend drove to an army reserve depot to steal some fuel. They were caught siphoning fuel from trucks. And Leonard spent the next two weeks in jail. 13. Yeah. When he was like, this is better than school. In mid 1958, his father took him back to the Turtle Mountain Reservation. At a tribal meeting, Leonard saw an old a jibwa woman pleading for someone to help because her children were

at home and they were slowly starving to death. 1958. Quote, she asked if there were no more warriors among our men. She said if there was, why did they not stand up and fight for the starving children? That day, Leonard vowed to help his people for the rest of his life. There we go. By 1959, as part of the government's termination policy. Jesus Christ. To phase out reservations. Turtle Mountains Bureau of Indian Affairs announced it would stop supplying free food. Wow. So it seems the opposite of termination policy. Yeah. The jibwa took the Bureau of Indian Affairs Superintendent hostage in his office and the Bureau relented. But it worked. Yeah. That will take it. But this is what he's seeing, right? So he's

a young, he's a teen and he's seeing. He's seeing the boot of the white man on the throat of his culture. And then how you respond. Right, right. And then, yeah, that you can actually, via violence and threats, get somewhere. Good lesson. Yeah, it is a very good lesson. At 17, Leonard moved to Seattle. When he was there, he got in a fight and his jaw was broken. He was supposed to wear a brace, but he didn't. Oh, his jaw was broken. Oh, okay, okay. And then one night he was parting and he got into another fight. No. And his jaw was broken again. It's fixed. Holy shit, he fixed it. Quote, but this time the muscle didn't heal properly and my jaw came out kind of stiff.

Yeah. The rest of his life is jaws a little stiff. Yeah, okay. Leonard joined the Marines to fight in Vietnam. Okay. But he was discharged due to his jaw. Now, I didn't actually dig into that, but I'm betting it was a financial thing. I just can't imagine. I mean, maybe it wasn't. Oh, the reason why he joined. Yeah. I just can't imagine him based on who I know the person is. Right. But, you know, maybe I'm wrong. Okay. He worked as a welder and construction worker in Seattle. Leonard, your jaw's getting close to that flame. By 1965, a 20-year-old Leonard co-owned a Seattle auto body shop. He turned the second floor into a halfway house for Native Americans who were struggling with

alcohol and who had people who had just gotten out of prison because they were all struggling to live off the reservation. Someone who knew him at the time later said, quote, Leonard always had girls and money in his pocket because he's a real good worker and people liked him. He's always been good hearted. He just liked to laugh and tease. In 1968, President Johnson ended a determination policy and began the long process of restoring sovereignty to over 100 tribes. Okay. There's still tribes struggling for sovereignty, particularly in California, Los Angeles also. I believe our tribe does not have sovereignty, the Native tribe here. That year, the American Indian Movement, which I will now call AIM, was founded. Its leaders

were Ojibwa, Dennis Banks, Oglala, Lakota, Russell Means. In 1970, Leonard took part in his first AIM action, a takeover of Fort Lawton outside Seattle. Leonard and 13 others were beaten by police and arrested and then beaten again in their cells. Leonard refused to leave the jail until the others had all been released. Wow. One later said... I mean, really, the depth of character to do that is crazy. For them to be like, you're free to go is like, I'm staying. I'm not fucking leaving until everybody's gone. One later said he was, quote, already a leader. Well, we can't have brown leaders in America.

Leonard attended an AIM meeting in Minnesota where Dennis Banks said if the AIM wanted to be taken seriously, they had to cut down on all the drinking, drugs, parting groupies, and the, quote, Saturday night warriors. I don't know what that is. I feel like that's like a party crew. Yeah, party crew must be. Leonard quit drinking on the spot. Wow. In 1971, he returned to Turtle Mountain, but he was missing the activism. He moved with Banks to Los Angeles, but Leonard did not like LA. Quote, it seemed to me like kind of a jungle. Fair, a concrete one.

He moved to Milwaukee to help the Indian community there with alcoholic issues. Okay. I'll be using Indian a lot because this is the words he used. Okay. Just, yeah. In October, 1972, the AIM organized the Trail of Broken Treaties. Wow. Which was a car caravan from the West Coast to Washington, D.C. to gain attention for the AIM and its plan for justice from the American government. Okay.

Leonard was in charge of security in D.C. When they got there, President Nixon refused to meet with the leaders. The AIM occupied the Bureau of Indian Affairs headquarters for five days. Wow. The 70s were great. They caused property damage and took documents. They said proved government discrimination. Wow. Five days. I mean, seriously, like today, think of how long that would actually last. How long would that last?

There were so many takeovers back then. Yeah. No, no. Well, I mean, just in general, like sit-ins and shit where it was just like, where you would just be like, all right, they are expressing themselves and they would let you do it. And now they would have a battering ram and drag you out. And the left was more of the left back then. Well, there was a left. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that back then, you would consider a lot of Democrats the left, but now I don't think you would.

No, because they're the right. Yeah. So Leonard returned to Milwaukee and on November 22nd, 1972, he in a... I'm from Milwaukee, I believe. Yeah. Trust me. On November 22nd, 1972, he and a friend read a restaurant when two white men started pointing and laughing at them. I'm not from there. Did you know that about me?

I didn't. I'm not from there. Leonard said, quote, what the fuck's so funny? Great. As you're supposed to do when someone's pointing and you're laughing at you. Yeah, for sure. You throw the pebble. Yeah. The white men pulled out their guns.

Well, that's when you're like, boy, the guy's behind you. No, the other guy's not laughing. The two guys behind you. You're fine because you're laughing and pointing and the guys behind you are ignoring it. They're laughing and not pointing, which I take issue with. Turns out these were plain clothes cops. But even then, there's zero justification for firearms. You still get to tell cops, you still get to say to a cop, you should be able to say

to a cop in America, what the fuck's so funny? But it will, in some instances, get you killed and a lot of instances get you arrested. But it wouldn't have a while ago. No. I mean, things have changed. Yeah. In my... Well, I mean, if you're brown, you're always getting...

Right. If you're a white guy back then, you could probably give it a... Fuck you. He's like, hey, settle down. I mean, they were busting a lot of heads. We're turning them up in Vietnam. So the letter was handcuffed and put into a paddy wagon. One of the cops started, quote, beating on me like a stepchild.

That's not a great phrase. I mean, it's not. I mean... It's a telling way of putting it. And in all these... That would be like if you went out with someone who was pounding a lot of booze and you're like, you drink like a father. And in all these skirmishing around, my coke gets ripped open and this old piece falls

out. Hell, it was an old busted Beretta. Couldn't even fire. I had just given a guy 20 bucks for it as a favor, figuring I might get it fixed sometime. One of the cops claimed Leonard took it out and pulled the trigger twice, but it did not fire. Here we go. Leonard was charged with attempted murder.

The cops' girlfriend... Jesus. Then the cops' girlfriend later say that he had previously waved a... Right before this, he had waved a photo of Leonard at her while claiming he was going to, quote, catch a big one for the FBI. Milwaukee. They can catch a Native American, but not a guy eating people in his apartment. By the way, Native American name of the town.

Every city there is Native American named. They're like, get him. Leonard served five months before... And they caught Dahmer. By the way. Well, some other guys got eaten after that. I mean, he... They...

Look, you... Come on. Name one clue. The naked guy running, screaming, please help me. Name one other clue. Please help me. Not even a guy. A young teen.

Yes. A young teen. A young teen. Yes. I believe he was Laotian. He was going to say, okay, yes, okay, something. Running in the street naked saying, please God help me. Yes.

The cops laughed it off and let Dahmer... He came over and said, this guy's on some drugs. He's been drinking. Come on. You don't... Have you... Let me tell... Okay.

You went to college. You didn't have ever a friend who ran down the street naked screaming, help me. Help me. Help me. Because he was afraid of the man who had a skull shrine in his apartment. Get over yourself, mister. You can cast a lot of dispersions if you like, but let me tell you something. The police force in Milwaukee was right on top of Dahmer at the right time.

They caught him after he ate only 13. Get over it. Lettard served... Just a regular chocolate factory worker. Lettard served five months before the AM was able to post his bail. Wow. During that time, the Pine Ridge Tribal Council president, Richard Wilson, created the Guardians of the Oglala Nation, also called Goons, a white security force on...

So literally Goons calling their organization Goons? And created by a Native American who's in charge... Well... Well, it's old school, and we're seeing it now, old school versus young school. We're seeing a serious breakdown in... But the idea... What is the... The Native American who...

He wants to have a white force... It's authoritarianism, controlling the reservation. Okay. It seems... Yeah, I didn't really look into him because there was a lot going on here. Wilson was rabidly against the AIM. Okay. So, the Goons squad attacked Native American opponents on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

This led to fighting and an armed takeover of wounded knee by AIM and Lakota men. And the year again is, like, 59? This is 19... 1972. 72? Oh, right, 72. And what you just said was that there was a white invasion of a reservation. Well, not an invasion.

He just hired a bunch of... Well, still, like... I mean, essentially. I mean, like, the whites already control it. I mean, just... Whites walking on a reservation controlling. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a 71-day standoff between... Holy shit. Basically, the AIM, the Lakota, the Goons, the Tribal Council, and the FBI and law enforcement on the other side, right? When Leonard got out, he headed straight for wounded knee, but it ended before he arrived. He did not think he was going to get justice in court for the fake trying to shoot me charge. So he went to Seattle and missed his July pretrial hearing, making him a fugitive. Right.

On October 17th, Pedro Bicinette, who was at the Takeover of Wounded Knee, was killed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs Police, who claimed he had resisted arrest. That old chestnut. Yeah, the classic. Then October 21st, a car registered in Leonard's name took part in a shootout with BIA police near Bicinette's funeral. Two officers received minor injuries. The car got away, so they couldn't say who was in it.

On September 20th, Leonard was arrested near Seattle with other AIM members in charge with possession of illegal weapons. Leonard gave a false name, skipped bail, and went underground. Nice. God, I remember you could just give a fake name. Dave, I remember so clearly being able to give fake names in high school. It was all I would do. It was the best.

I didn't know ID ID you, they'd be like, what's your name? You'd be like, John Tinseltorpe. Jimmy Jan Thompson. Yeah, they'd be like, all right, and date of birth. Wait, you're 48? Yep. Wait a minute. This is not.

In March 1985. Now that'll be facial recognition, which will be better. In March 1975, banks called for, quote, lawyers to come to Pine Ridge and help out with the goons. Lawyers. He said the goons were, quote, shooting into houses and throwing bottles of cars and just running all over the traditional people. Jesus.

Nearly everyone on the reservation at this point was armed. Few dared to walk outside. During March, at least seven people, including two children, were killed on the Pine Ridge Reservation. Wow. BIA police showed a little interest in getting involved. Yeah, because they're like, hey, look. It's taking care.

Yeah, it's taking care of itself. When has that ever not gone away? No. Jesus. One woman, they told one woman, two of her relatives had died accidentally. One had been hanged and the other chopped two pieces with an axe. An accident. They stumbled, lady.

She stumbled 34 times into an axe. That happened. Listen, she was, we had a noose hung up for a pinata thing we're doing later. He jumps. And he was running, and he tripped, and he fell up the stairs, up the stairs, a neck first, into the noose. We run up to help, bottom drops out, that's it, he's gone. Same time, your boy Jimmy, he's accidentally getting hurt 34 times with an axe.

That happens. Because when you put an axe on a swingy thing. And you're also probably saying, why did you not recognize this to be a person? Well, she was wearing a log costume. Thank you. Thank you. And I thought this was one of those. She was resisting a log.

Cases closed. Yep. We looked into all this. Yep, so that's it. We burned them. Another episode of Bureau of Indian Agency Police. Good guys. On April 2nd, the FBI issued a fugitive alert for Leonard, saying he was armed and dangerous.

And May Leonard's group... Wouldn't be great if they put that out for the FBI at some point, so just be fair. We are armed and dangerous. Okay, that's good to hear. And May Leonard's group moved on to the Aguala property of the Jumping Bull family. It became like a local tribal community center. They had free alcohol counseling, auto repair, firewood, and a community garden. Just so you know, Native Americans still don't have enough firewood.

Like today, on reservations, they are freezing in their homes because they don't have enough fucking fuel to burn. The Aguala community loved them, and especially Leonard, who took over as leader when banks left. Leonard also had a huge personality. And Aguala resident, quote, crazy guy, but fun, good crazy, not nuts, really fun to be around. Easy.

You can't say crazy too many times. We'll be like, is he crazy? But so by this time, Leonard had seven children from two marriages and two adopted children. Okay. He's a big family. He's not there. On June 23rd, the Aguala Lakota, Jimmy Eagle, stole the cowboy boots of a white man during a drunken fight on the reservation.

Okay. My guess is that this white gentleman lets clarity sink in and calmly asks for his boots back. Eagle, he said Eagle had used a knife. Eagle denied using a knife, but he was carrying it, and he was charged with felony robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. Now this gave the FBI jurisdiction. It's a felony.

Right. A warrant was put out for his arrest. On June 25th, FBI agents, Ronald Williams and Jack Collier, entered the jumping bull property looking for Eagle. They were told that he hadn't been seen in a few days, more than one building. They went into a small building, but did not go into the main compound building. Okay. The next morning, a resident was driving a half mile away when he saw 150 law enforcement

men gathered. Before noon, agents... Picnic? William's and Collier returned. He was not known who shot first, but a gunfight started. Besides AAM members, many non-member locals were there, including at least eight children and three pregnant women. Most started running away as the shooting went on.

Leonard and a few others stayed. William and Collier were both shot non-fatally from a distance. Then one or more people walked up to the two agents and shot them three times each from close range, killing them. No law enforcement saw the shootings. They were immediately surrounded by FBI, BIA police, local and state police, US marshals, SWAT teams, goons, and other local white agitators, assholes. Leonard's crew believed, quote, we were in all probability going to die before the day

was done. They were not just going to arrest us. They were going to kill us. Right. Yeah. Of course. Well, I mean, based on the track record, fair instinct. A couple of things in this puzzle, Native Americans and FBI, so anyway, I'm done with

my arguments. I think it ends in pizza. But then, quote, an eagle came out and flew down and sat in a tree above us and then flew away and we knew that was the direction we should go. So they went in the direction the eagle went and they got away. What? Can you imagine if that goes south? I know.

You're like, oh, no, they're in here too. No, they're fucking eagle. That stupid eagle. Oh, god damn it. It was a cop eagle, a fucking cop eagle. We got him. The eagle. We got him.

Well, my life was commanded more by a family. What are you going to do today? Hold on. Wait, there's a puma. I'm actually following a snake trail. I believe there's water nearby. Wait, what? Trust me.

At about 1.30 p.m., the law surrounded a cabin on the compound and ordered everyone to come out with their hands up. From inside, two men fired a warning shot, then made a run for it. The cops blasted away, shooting Joe Killswright through the head. Last name wasn't helpful. It's not a great name for what happened. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bad.

Bad. It's an omen. For the moment. If you're in a shootout with a guy named Killswright, you're like, yeah, it's not. Maybe we should separate. The other man, his brother-in-law, escaped. After a few hours of walking, Leonard's group was seen by officers in the distance, and they opened fire.

But then the eagle appeared again. What? This eagle? And again, they followed it to safety. Jesus. Best eagle ever. Great eagle. Those FBI and SWAT units were now flying in from all around the country, and a group

of white ranchers called the Civil Liberties Organization, who owned some reservation land, were given a plane, a helicopter, a chemical warfare team, a team of snipers, and four SWAT teams. What? These are literally just asshole ranchers. And they get all that? They get essentially a military force. Yes.

And they're, which, by the way, use the sound crazy to just give to people. And they're just now allowed to just. They're just going to go all part of the hunt. Wow. At 5.30 p.m., the white cops and white ranchers raided the main house on the compound. So they're involved in the fucking raid. Wow. It was an empty, but the main house is empty, except for Joe.

Just like, bring your white to work day. It's empty except for Joe. Kill rights body. Okay. Kills rights. Cecilia, a jumping bull, returned later that evening, and an officer told her that two men had been killed on her property. Okay.

Cecilia pointed at kills rights body and asked if that was one of them. No. That guy fell onto bullets. No. Nope. No. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. The officer said no. Quote, that's just an Indian. Oh. So when he said two men had been killed. He meant the white guys.

He's saying the white guys were killed and that is not a human. That is an FBI agent. Also the family photos on the wall, all the family photos on the wall, everybody's been shot through their head in the family photo. Oh, Jesus Christ. But it's weird when you give a bunch of rancher vigilantes and, uh, yeah, SWAT team and FBI and yeah, everything. Under darkness, Leonard's group made it to a remote cabin of Noah, wounded the uncle

of an AIM member. At four in the next. The eagle was in there making pancakes. He goes like, you guys, we're killing this. You guys, what do you feel like swimming? You got towels. Follow me to a pond. Come on.

Follow me. Uh, so at four in the next morning, a bomb shattered the windows at Mount Rushmore visitor center 80 miles away. Wow. Uh, no one, uh, was injured, but also no one claimed that they did it. Okay. Uh, that day is the South Dakota attorney general said it was time to stop being quote soft on the Indians just because they are a minority group.

What people, yeah, what people, it's just, it's relentless. It's relentless. Relentless. It's relentless. It's everywhere. Over the next days, Leonard's group slept under trees during the day and moved during the night. Leonard with Dino Butler and Bob Ribadou became the leaders.

They spent July in various safe houses around Pine Ridge. An AIM spokesman said the AIM would quote, not apologize for the deaths of the two FBI agents until the U S justice department apologized for the deaths of all those Indian warriors killed in the past three years. Come on. Come on. Come on. Those were not worried people.

Right. So basically at Pine Ridge, you know, they just spent three years of fucking shootouts and just people getting killed left and right. And I mean, tons of people have been killed. Again, it's what happens when you're an occupying force. Yeah. And now to two occupiers get killed, you're like, oh, fucking dare you. Yeah.

Well, yeah. I mean, essentially it is the policy of when you hold your finger in front of someone's face and you go, don't touch me, don't touch me, don't touch me, don't touch me. Yeah. And he said the FBI, sorry, and he said the AIM would step up its C South Dakota Last Anti-Tourism Campaign next year. Now that is an interesting nod. So the next year is the 4th of July, the Bicentennial, so huge celebration all over America.

And tourists are expected to just pour in to Mount Rushmore for the celebrations. And he's saying that they're going to start a campaign saying, you're not going to want to do that. Right. Very smart. The state attorney general said, quote, the only way to deal with these AIM leaders is to put a bullet in their heads. Jesus Christ.

That sounds like terrorism. I mean, that is not, that's just not. On July 4th, an FBI helicopter. It's time to go back to England. It's not great over there right now. Well, it's not now. On July 4th, an FBI helicopter was shot down over Pine Ridge with no casualties. Wow.

On July 8th, Jimmy Eagle turned himself into police. The FBI began an investigation known as Resmers into the agents Colliers and Williams Murders. Joe Killswright's death was never investigated. I mean, I was just about to say, it is, it's just nice. A guy running. Yeah. A guy running shot in the back, most likely nothing than two agents who. Well, agents can do no wrong, right?

Yeah. Even though they're doing complete wrong most of the time. Take care of your own. As long as you're right. Resmers investigators were routinely breaking and entering to get evidence. And people will write to me and say, sit in the FBI, good guys. I could literally do a year of podcasts about the FBI. You could do a dollop FBI and have enough content for a fucking decade.

Right. I mean, the FBI is insane. Just look at the terrorists they've arrested in America. It's all dudes. They fucking duped who had no idea what was going on. And then they're like, wait a minute. There is terrorists. Resmers of all time.

And it's a guy who's like, I just want a sandwich. Like it's fucking crazy. And some of the some of the things that they have floated up the chain of possibility are I mean, just crazy. Nothing like a group that told MLK to kill himself and his family thinks killed him. So Resmers investigators were routinely breaking and entering to get evidence and illegally threatening and harassing suspects and witnesses. So they're just.

Yeah. Doing what they do. Because it doesn't matter because it's a reservation. Yeah. And well, yeah, of course. And you are the law. Resmers led to four people being charged for the murder of the agents, Jimmy Eagle, Dino Butler, Bob Ribadou and Leonard Peltier.

The U.S. Civil Rights Commission called Resmers, quote, an overreaction, which takes on aspects of a vendetta. Weird. What? And did they cite sources? And that little has been done to solve numerous murders on the reservations. But when two white men are killed, troops are brought in from all over the country at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Truly. To which white people say, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what we do. Yeah, exactly. That's our thing. That's what we're saying. And that's literally our thing. Yeah.

Okay. So you get it. So I don't know what the problem is. In August, Leonard's group split up. He made his way to California and on September 5th, Dino Butler was arrested. On September 10th, Bob Ribadou was arrested in Kansas. He had Agent Collier's gun as well as an AR-15 from the trunk of the agent's car. Okay.

Leonard was now the only one still at large. Okay. On November 14th, an Oregon State... What a scary feeling. Yeah. Yeah. On November 14th, an Oregon State trooper misread FBI instructions to keep a motor home under surveillance.

Okay. He misread it and he thought he was supposed to stop it. Okay. Wow. That's... That's a great fuck-up. The first man out was, quote, a large Mexican-appearing person. He ordered him to lie down, lie face down on the road.

This is one of those times where like racism actually sort of works to your... Why is that? Because they think you're Mexican? Yeah, because they're just like so inept at like being able to distinguish or care to differentiate that they're just like, all right, well, nothing here, just a Mexican. Good work. Two women and a small child also got out of the motor home. Then the Mexican-appearing man shot at the cop and started running into the woods as

the cop returned fire. As an eagle's like, this way. That was, of course, Leonard. He was hit as he ran. Jesus. The driver of the motor home who also got away was Dennis Banks. The motor home had been given to banks along with $10,000 by Marlon Brando. Well, hello.

I mean, honest to God, Marlon Brando, I mean, one of the good ones. Yeah. I mean, there's some bad sexual stuff. Well, there's crazy. But I mean, as far as like his attention to Native American rights, I'm talking specifically, was a guy who was like very much... Yeah. Yeah.

But again, this was a different Hollywood. Now Hollywood literally wouldn't give it. I mean, they just wouldn't care. No, you tweeted about it. Yeah. Share a link. He was shot in the shoulder. He stole a pickup truck and went to Portland where he stayed with a relative for three

days and supporting doctor treated his wounds. On November 18th, he went to Canada where he stayed in a cabin until mid-December. He was joined by a few AIM members, including his good friend, Frank Blackhorse. Blackhorse would be after this, he would be the subject of persistent rumors that he was really an Italian American from Cleveland named Francis DeLuca. What was that woman's name? Rachel Dull... Dull is...

Yes. Rachel Dull... What is it? Dull is all. Dull is all. Dull is all. So essentially he was Rachel Dull is all. Oh, he was really?

Yeah. Well, that's what... The theory. Yeah. They were saying he joined the AIM years earlier by... All right. On December 22nd, Leonard was put on the FEI's 10 Most Wanted List. That's just crazy.

Again, there's really no... He's really done no crimes. Yeah. That's what I mean. I mean, there's a couple small things, but... It's a voice. It's a powerful voice. They're saying he killed the man and there's absolutely no evidence that he killed any...

Right. ...either one of the officers. And by the way, on the same day when other people were killed. Yeah. Yeah. On February 6th, Canadian Mounties got a tip and raided the remote camp of a Cree leader near Hinton, Alberta. They found Leonard sitting next to a suitcase containing four loaded guns.

The arresting officer said, Leonard shouted, quote, I'm not going to do anything you say. I have nothing to lose. There was a struggle and Leonard had to be pushed hard against a wall. Leonard was put into a prison near Vancouver to wait extradition. Amnesty International called Leonard's treatment in the prison, including isolation and body searches, quote, unjustifiable. His extradition hearings began in May. The ability for our government and for us to so quickly get rid of any dissenting voices,

the more that you peel that, the more that that becomes more and more terrifying. I mean, the simplicity with which they are able to just completely... For the most part, not only neutralize you legally, but the way that the public sentiment is able to be poisoned so fast and you are so quickly vilified. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but then when people of color start dying around an incident, one of those being Ferguson, when all of the leaders of Ferguson are dying, being killed and illegal raids and shit, right?

Oh, God, what's the guy who was selling Lucy's in New York and got Garner? Oh, yeah. When his daughter dies of a heart attack. Yeah. Yes. At like 41 or something, younger? No. She was like late 20s.

Was she really? It's fucking nuts. When that starts happening repeatedly that she's not the only one, you know, you're getting a pattern and that's not something that is... It's not hard. Can we really in our world... Can we imagine the crazy idea that someone might have something that would cause a heart attack on people?

I mean, come on. No. And the truth is too that if you believe that that's possible, it's so scary and that's why people choose not to. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Of course. So it's extradition hearing start and one witness, Myrtle Poor Bear, claimed to be his

ex-girlfriend, but Leonard said they had never met. She submitted an affidavit claiming she'd seen Leonard, Bob Ribadou, Jimmy Eel, and a fourth person surround Collier and Williams and that Leonard fired the shots that killed them. So they have a witness, eyewitness. Can I ask a question? Was she in SAG-AFTRA? Oh.

Leonard's lawyers claimed he was a political prisoner deserving asylum were dashed. They were like, yeah. On June 18th, while awaiting the judge's ruling, a fight broke out between Leonard's supporters and police. The judge ruled that sufficient grounds for extradition had been presented. This was delayed a bit when his lawyers appealed. Where are they extraditing to? The U.S.

Oh, right. Okay, sorry. I forgot he's in Canada. Okay. When the trial began in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, they both admitted they'd exchanged fire from a distance with Collier and Williams, but they denied being present for the fatal close range shots. This time, prosecution didn't use Myrtle Porbear because the defense found an affidavit in

which Porbear had stated she left Oglala the day before the shootings. And that undercuts what she saw. Yeah, if she's not there. It's hard to witness. That's right. Interesting. It's almost like there's no witnesses to the shooting. Yeah, right.

But let them have another casting call. I think they'll find some great people. Now there's only one supposed witness, a 19-year-old Wish Draper, and he testified directly linking Rivadou and Butler to the murder. The defense convincingly argued his statements were coached and even fabricated. He was an actor. He was a legitimately an actor? Yeah.

Stories of horrible mistreatment on Pine Ridge swayed public opinion, and as the jury deliberated, 98% of the white town of Cedar Rapids held a spontaneous march supporting the defendants. And can we frame this moment and put it on the wall of white for a second? Wow, that really is a testament to... I mean, they know them, and they, you know, again, the people aren't the FBI and the law enforcement. Right, right, yeah, they're people.

On July 16th, after five days of deliberation, the jury found Rivadou and Butler not guilty, saying they hadn't executed the cops, and any shooting they did was in self-defense. On December 16th, Leonard was extradited to Fargo, North Korea. What? Extradited in the States? Because the judge had already ruled that Poor Bear's testimony was just... was justified the extradition. Right.

So after that... So they could do it... They could still do it based on that. Yeah, even though we now know she was lying. Right. Pretty cool. Leonard was in... That is insane.

Leonard was in very good spirits. One of his lawyers said, quote, here was Leonard on trial for murder, and he was trying to cheer us up. During the trial, the judge routinely interjected to help prosecution witnesses. Okay, so we have a... Let me guess the race of the judge. Why? I mean, are there any other kind of judges at this time?

What? He repeatedly barred the jury from seeing evidence and... Like a judge is supposed to. And from hearing witnesses who would almost definitely prove Leonard was innocent. Right. So anybody who said he didn't do it or wasn't there, well, eyewitnesses there. He's just like, nope, can't do that. This included murder poor bear who would have testified that she...

That she had left? That the FBI coerced her... Oh my God. ...into signing the false avid David for Leonard's extradition. So now you have a witness... Arguably the biggest witness. Who said he murdered someone and she saw it. And now she's saying the FBI made her say that and do that.

Is that damning? The judge said she was too unstable to testify. Right. Right. He barred Jimmy Eagle from testifying because his claims of FBI misconduct would, quote, confuse the jury. Yes. And again, that is not the point of this.

The last thing you're supposed to do is water down any of their... I mean, come on. You confuse a jury. You know what happens? That's a hung jury. I mean, that's a problem. I mean, the whole idea of defense is to confuse the jury. Yeah.

Right? I mean, essentially to be like, oh yeah, that's murky. That doesn't seem... Yeah. That's not 100%. Right. Right. The prosecution argued the most important piece of evidence was a shell casing from

the killer's rifle that was found in the trunk of the agent's car four days after the shooting after being missed by initial investigators. Okay. So they're following the Making a Murderer theme. The defense led by Elliot Takef, I don't know who this is, but apparently he was a known New York attorney, inexplicably failed to pounce on conflicting and very suspicious testimony from investigating officers about the chain of custody of the shell casing, including flimsy excuses for why it wasn't tested until six months after its discovery.

This is like, this right here, this thing about the shell casing and being found four days later and then being tested is so common that now it's a hacky theme in movies in which they're trying to frame someone. Right. Right. But this is before that trope. When ballistic experts for the defense proved the shell casing had not been fired by any gun associated with the killings, prosecutors decided the AR-15 found during a ribbidose

arrest was the murder weapon. What? So. I mean, even they're murking the argument. How do you... So they proved that the shell casing is bullshit. Right. And then they're like, and it was this gun.

Yeah. And then they're like, found another one. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And it was too damaged for experts. So the AR-15 is too damaged for experts to test if the shell casing came from it. So its involvement cannot be disproven. Right.

In the way that I could say to you... But you have to prove beyond an innocent doubt. So they have to prove that that gun, if they want to say it did, they have to prove that it did. Exactly. Yes. That's what... Yes.

So you don't... So you don't... There are holes in the argument that's full of holes. It's like, no, you're... Any reasonable doubt. I mean, this should be filed under ridiculous doubt. Yes. Only doubt.

On April 18, 1977, after six hours of deliberation, an all-white jury found letter... Here we go. ...to Peltier guilty on two counts of first-degree murder. He was given two consecutive life sentences. The good guys won. Jimmy Eagle would never be charged with any crimes relating to the agent, Collier, and William's killings because they didn't want to do that again. Right.

April, 1979, Leonard was transferred to Lompoc Prison in California where he became a friend with a Mexican-American man named Bobby Garcia. Bobby had escaped prison twice. In May, a new inmate calling himself Richardson arrived at Lompoc. And then Leonard was told by someone outside the prison... Here we go. ...when it was contacts... No way.

...that Richardson was a fake name. Get out of here. He was actually Dick Williams' son-in-law. The guys set up the goons. And Richardson had been sent to kill... Leonard? Yeah. Holy shit.

So Garcia arranged for Leonard to have two inmate bodyguards with him at all times. Wow. Still, Leonard felt like his life was in danger. Yeah. Because his life was in danger. Totally. And again, it's not like you're free. Like if you're getting into prison under a fake name, that means the prison system...

Completely. ...is behind it. You can't just get into prison using a fake ID. No, yeah. No, it's not a shitty bar. At 8.30 p.m. on July 20, 1979, Leonard Garcia, a 19-year-old Lakota Dallas Thunder Shield set fire... That's a great name.

It's a fucking amazing name. Thunder Shield? Yeah. ...set fires in their cells, then used keys made by Garcia to reach the prison fence. Wow. At this point, supporters outside the prison were set up, and they started shooting at guards as the three climbed over the fence. Love it.

But prison officials had been tipped off. There was a guard standing outside near the exact place where they exited. He told the three men to freeze, and they did. And then the guard shot Thunder Shield in the back. Jesus Christ. Leonard and Garcia then ran off into the brush while the guard handcuffed Thunder Shield as he was dying. The...

I mean, the... American... The shoot-and-cuff thing is one of the... And because now we have access to seeing that shit, to desensitize us to make it normalized and fine eventually, that is truly one of the most disgusting... In a sea of disgusting displays. You have to put yourself into the position of a person doing that, and if you can shoot a man...

And let's say they're not armed, and let's say they're not pointing a gun at you. And that happens all the time. Yeah. If you can shoot, and like in this instance, a man in the back, and then hog-tie him as he's dying, you're a fucking psychopath. Yes. Yes. You just...

And often you're a white supremacist. And you're doing what you want to do. Dude... Yes. And the... Whatever. Yeah. Whatever.

So Thunder Shield died. One of Leonard's supporters, quote, the guard was there, and he was ready. He didn't know about Thunder Shield, who decided to join them at the last minute, and it looks like the wrong long-haired Indian got shot. So he meant... He meant to kill them. And again, it's when racism somehow plays into the... Yeah.

Like a broken clock is right twice. Yeah. He was an executioner. Yes. And he, because of his inability to differentiate, shot the wrong person. That's right. Right. Garcia was captured 90 minutes later.

Leonard, who was now armed with a rifle, given to him by a supporter, disappeared into the hills. The AIM called for members to flood the area to confuse the search. Great. After five days of wandering in the heat, Leonard approached a rural farmer at gunpoint. The farmer said, quote, I suppose you're going to kill me now. And Leonard replied, no, I'm not a killer. I'm a political prisoner.

I don't go around killing people for no reason at all. In fact, I haven't killed anybody. Leonard took the farmer's truck, but let him go, even though killing the farmer would have stopped him from calling police. And the farmer immediately called police. The truck broke down after two miles. And then the FBI and local police tracked Leonard. One of the detectives said, quote, the information that we had on him was that he had a very

explosive character and that he would not be taken alive, even though he's already been taken alive. Already been taken alive. He didn't kill the farmer. Yes. An explosive character. Where do you think that comes from? Yeah.

I mean, that is the oldest stereotype of all time. When they caught up to Leonard, he didn't shoot at them. After being handcuffed, Leonard said, quote, maybe I could have gotten one or two of you, but I'm not a killer. Talk about explosive character. The escape added seven years to his sentence. Which were two consecutive life sentences. In 1983, Bobby Garcia was found dead in prison.

Authorities said he hanged himself, but many believe he was murdered. In 1984. What we know as abstaining. Yes. In 1984, so now years are just going by, in 1984, Leonard's original prosecutor admitted the government still did not know who killed Collier and Williams. The prosecutor who convicted him said in 1984, he and they did not know who killed the FBI agents.

That's good detective work. In 1986, an appeals court acknowledged FBI misconduct, but still affirmed Leonard's conviction. Sure. That's how it works. In 1991. Retrial? And now retired judge from that appeals court. So the appeals court that said the FBI had done misconduct, but he retired and felt so

fucking shitty because he knew Peltier had committed no crime, that he wrote to President Bush saying that Leonard deserved to be set free due to misconduct by the FBI and other government agencies. And the... He did not pardon him or let him out. Again, Leonard, based on this, requested a new trial. The Fargo judge again denied the request. In 1992, Aime co-founder Russell Means had a lead role in Last of the Mohicans. Dennis Banks had a supporting role.

Means later voiced Pocahontas' father in Pocahontas. Meanwhile, in 1993, Leonard came up for parole and was denied. A former U.S. Attorney General petitioned President Clinton to pardon Leonard. The nice, the sweet Democratic man. The president, the Democratic president, President Clinton refused. In 2004, Leonard ran for president as the peace and freedom party candidate in California. I voted for him. Did you?

Yeah. 20,000 votes. In 2009, he was denied parole. In 2012, a federal judge refused a request by Leonard's attorneys to review 900 pages of FBI documents related to Frank Blackhorse slash Francis DeLuca, who had never been extradited from Canada and remained there apparently free. That year, Jackson Brown, Pete Singer and Moss Def performed at a Bring Leonard Peltier home concert.

At this point, Nelson Mandela, Mother Teresa, the Dalai Lama, Ringo Starr had all called for Leonard to be released. A huge campaign aimed at getting President Obama to commute Leonard's sentence reached its peak on January 17, 2017, three days before Obama left office. Pope Francis personally reached out to President Obama and appealed for Leonard Peltier's release. President Obama refused. Leonard Peltier is currently held in a prison in Florida.

He has diabetes, high blood pressure and a heart condition. He also has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. He says he does not know who killed FBI agents, Collar and Williams. He is next eligible for parole in 2024 when he will be 79 years old. How the fuck does he not get a retrial or a new trial? Well, if the judges say no, I mean, the system has to say the system is wrong. It's the dumbest. The fact that there's not an outside body that is overseeing all of our court systems

and saying, well, no, that's actually a political prisoner. There's a guy in Philadelphia in the fucking prisons for the same reason. There's guys all over our country that are political prisoners sitting in prisons because they were good leaders. In this case, you have a reservation that is being annihilated by law enforcement, people being killed, acts murders, and the FBI is not doing anything. When two FBI agents are coming to your house, they're coming to fucking kill you. That's the reality of the situation.

Yeah, of course. And then we know that the FBI fabricated evidence, had false witnesses. It's a fucking slam dunk. Yeah, that's why. I think there's only one presidential candidate who will free him, myself. I don't think there are any, except for Bernie Sanders, who will free Leonard Peltier. Not one. Not one of those fucking people will do it.

And this is, this what, like, it's pretty well known. I don't think Obama was a good president. In some ways, I think my personal opinion is Obama was the most cynical president in my lifetime, because more than anyone else, he got the youth of America to get very excited about his election, and then he told them to fuck off. And that was devastating, and that led to, I don't know, a lot of those people not partaking in the next election. Weird that that would happen, but guess who got fucking elected.

This, this to me, when he did this, and I don't think about how he didn't prosecute Wells Fargo when they were clearly, clearly committing racial crimes. Took us from five hours to seven. This to me is the most disgusting thing he has ever done from an empathetic human being standpoint. Well, because the pardoning process when you're leaving office is so absurd. There is no repercussions. Well, there's the guy, I can't remember where, I think he's from Kentucky, whatever.

He's just, he's pardoned, like, murderers. He's just pardoned a fucking pedophile. Yeah, he's pardoned, like, and, and there is a little bit of a, but as of now, if you're the president, you can just commute or get rid of sentences. People, people are excited for Trump to be out of office, but motherfuckers, when that guy starts pardoning, you're going to wish you were never in this country because he's going to, he's going to be like the TV show Gotham where he just lets all the lonies loose. And that is best case scenario.

That is best case scenario. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, to me, that was Obama's biggest crime. That guy has no, no reason to be in prison. Yeah. He's a political prisoner in America because he's a Native American who fought for his people and there's nothing else there, literally nothing else there.

Good times. Shit. Yeah. Is this going to be our Christmas weekend episode? Yeah. Merry Christmas. Yeah. I think so.

I think it's the Christmas one. Enjoy your full stockings. You can have, you can show this to your families. Wow. Okay. Okay. Yep. Maybe send Leonard a gift in prison.

Yeah. Well, let's get the address. That's what we did with Tim Duck Anderson. We can do that. All right. We'll put that up. All right. Well, we sign.

Enjoy your, uh, white Christmas. Yeah. Just like the ones this country's always known. Yeah, so the main sources for this episode were prison writings. My life is my son danced by Leonard Peltier and in the spirit of Crazy Horse by Peter Matheson. And then a bunch of magazines, Rolling Stone, Mother Jones, The Nation, The New York Daily News, The Independent, tons of stuff, IndianCountryNews.com.

So a lot of stuff. Go check it out. And read about them if you're more interested because, uh, fascinating guy.