The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 42 - LAPD 3 - CREATION OF SWAT

Episode Date: December 21, 2014

Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the origins of SWAT and a shootout.SOURCESTOUR DATES REDBUBBLE MERCHPATREON

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every week I Dave Anthony read a story from history to my friend Gareth Reynolds who knows nothing about it. Gary. I mean I literally just said Gareth. God do you want to look who to do? I'll do one bottle. People say this is funny. Not Gary Gareth. Dave okay. Someone or something is tickling people. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to tickle you quite good. Okay. You are queen fakie of eight uptown. All hail Queen Shit of Liesville. A bunch of religious virgins go to mingle and do a frame. Oh my Gary. No. I did right after the Gary then I stopped the recording. That's bullshit. Why? You know why. It works for me. Yeah I'm not surprised that it works for you. Master of the board. Cool well congratulations

I'm happy for you. You must be very happy. LAPD. All right. Los Angeles Police Department. I'm ready. I'm ready for more. Episode three. Okay. Four. Now LAPD month is halfway. It's over the halfway mark now. Yeah this is three right. Oh three of four. Right. Yeah. You know numbers work correct. Dude come on I was trying to help you. I thought you made a mistake. That's weird. What? Mistakes. Dude. August. In August 1966. Okay. Charles Joseph Whitman climbed a tower on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin and shot 47 people killing 15. Right. The incident took place during a 90-minute span and police officers were not

equipped to handle the situation. Local Texans came to the aid of the police and they shot at the sniper with their own guns giving cops cover to eventually climb the tower and reach Whitman's position and kill him. Just how you drew it up in the squad room. So you wanted it to work. And then we'll get Larry over there and then we'll be overwhelmed by the situation and strangers will come and help and then we'll sneak in. All right. There we go. That's lunch guys. You think people can hear the dog? Is that a dog upstairs or is that a downstairs? No I think he's I think he's outside. My guess is he might be downstairs. He sounds like a

German Shepherd. He's a big dog. Yeah. So there might be a dog in the background and you're welcome. Now there's people yelling. I don't think you can hear that. Okay. After that the Los Angeles Police Department struggled to deal with rioters during the 1966 Watts riots. Oh boy. Officers found that traditional police and riot control tactics were ineffective against the chaotic nature of the mob. Right? Yeah. I read that and I was like so it reminds me of the end of Animal House when all is well and the guy like blowing his whistle and everyone's just running around. Yeah. That's how I imagine the police. Yeah. Just not being able to handle

that situation at all. It's great too because you'd think that they would at this point be a little bit better at it but clearly. Nope. They still had no idea. Still like shit. They knew they knew something had to change but they weren't sure what it was. Okay. A month after the Watts riots officer Ron Mueller of the LAPD was sent to a house on Surrey Street to answer a disturbance call. Okay. A man inside Jack Ray Hoxie opened the door. Nice name. And shot Mueller with a high powered rifle. Not a nice guy. Mueller crawled away badly wounded. Another officer pulled up in his car and he was immediately shot. Okay. So don't officers

don't go there anymore. Right. No. No. Sorry. All and all units respond. Call went out. Every cop in the area speeded to the house. By the time Inspector Daryl Gates arrived there were 50 cops there and it was total chaos. Okay. Hoxie was very well armed and he was going from window to window shooting at the police. Jesus. The cops were responding with hails of inaccurate shots. Good. Because they're all using their pistols and guns like they have nothing. Are you are you four feet close. Are you close. Show yourself. Where's something reflective. When a third officer was shot Gates believed it came from another cop. So they're just

completely there. If they're surrounding. Wait. So if they're surrounding the house and shooting at it. Some bullets shoot through the house and shoot another cop or just totally miss and shoot another guy. As the guy is the one guy in a house with a bunch of artillery you are like this is going pretty fucking well. They are shooting each other which I was not sure is going to happen. It's but it's great. It's for me. I'm not going to be on my wildest dreams. I know this doesn't end well but I will say it's going pretty good. By the time tear gas was fired there were so many hole. Okay. Wait when the third officer blah blah blah. The

police were firing slugs from shotguns that were so heavy they were smashing through wooden walls of the house and then through the roof of the house. Okay. So by the time the tear gas is fired. By the time the tear gas is fired. There were so many holes. It's just like a cartoon cowboy who got shot a bunch and drinks water. Like tear gas was completely ineffective. All the tear gas just went out of the house. This guy really must just be sitting there like all right yes yes. It's like he's in a cartoon. They're tear gassing other cops. That's what they said. It's all blown out. You're making you're making some of us emotional. Which

by the way is something I wish can't that came attached to tear gas. Oh yeah emotional that it was like it was a weepy thing. Well they tried. They have tried to make bombs like that to make people emotional. Really. Yeah. Yeah. You know there's a gay bomb right. We'll do a small. Okay. Yeah. I mean you can't just tell me. You know there was a gay bomb right. No I don't know that there was a gay bomb. I thought the gay bomb was when Ricky Martin said he was a homosexual. What. Yeah. Oh boy. Oh we got to shut down. Oh boy. Finally one cop dressed in low grade basic body armor had had enough. He smashed through the

house and shot Hoxie. Now that's all it said in everything I read about this incident was that he smashed through the house. It never did it say the door. So the house could have been such Swiss cheese that this guy just ran through a wall and shot the guy. Big fan. Big fan of Kool-Aid in the house. Right. Yeah. It's a total Kool-Aid. That's how you do it. He Kool-Aid the shit out of it. He was in a big pitcher. Yeah. But when you say body armor you mean he was in a big pitch and it made it look like he was. He ran in and smashed through the wall. Yelp Kool-Aid and shot Kool-Aid. The guy was like I love Kool-Aid. After the incident Darrell

Gates decided the LAPD was going to have to figure out a way to deal with snipers and barricaded criminals besides riddling houses with bullets. Oh boy. It was becoming you know Texas. It was happening. It was starting to happen. The days of the cartoon assault was ending. Okay. No more shooting up houses in the Swiss cheese. All right. We're shifting tactics. Gates decided the LAPD had to come up with some better way to respond and he sat down with other officers to look at counterinsurgency warfare training and tactics. Boy Jesus Christ. Those being developed in Vietnam. Oh my God. Right. Not good. No. No. I'm not in. No. I'm not

in. No. Do we have to yell Charlie first. What do we do. So what. So when you make the ear lobe necklace I have a couple questions about lobe about lobe jewelry. The best the best lobe jewelry we have found is South Central. There's some pretty good lobe. Okay. Boyle Heights. You get some. Right. No. I have a couple of those lobes. Yeah. Yeah. An echo park. It makes some great lobes there. Actually those lobes are really hot right now. Super lobe. In 1965 officer John Nelson came up with the idea to form a special specially trained and equipped unit to respond to and manage critical situations while minimizing police casualties.

Inspector Gates approved the idea. It was called SWAT. Jesus Christ. SWAT was originally a term created by the Philadelphia Police Department as an acronym for their special weapons and tactics squad in 1964. Okay. Gates took SWAT but he wanted it to stand for special weapons attack team. E. A deputy on his force said you can't use attack. Yeah. Because we're the cops. Right. Might give the wrong message. The whole attack thing is not what we're aggressive. It's aggressive. And so Gates is like yeah that's a good point. So we'll use the other one. Okay. Special weapons. I don't even know what the end

of calling it. How do I not know what SWAT is. I didn't put that in here. Special wait. Special weapons at a boy team. Hey team. Special weapons. I never put it in here. I just I just assumed that I would remember it but everybody knows my memories like your memories a lot like that guy's house after the assault. I'm pretty close to Reagan. Man. I'm excited. I'm excited for the Reagan years of the dog. Okay. So they went with it. It's just special weapons and tactics. Okay. So it's just they kept the same thing. Right. And Specter Gates formed a small select group of volunteer officers. His first SWAT team was born LAPD SWAT

deep platoon of the Metro Division. Okay. You down with that? No. I'm not down with any of this. Will sure. Yeah. This SWAT unit was initially 15 teams of four men each for total staff of 60 Gates and others in the LAPD studied guerrilla warfare tactics of the military SWAT officers were given special status and benefits but in return they had a 10 monthly meetings. Okay. But that's yeah. It's not no it's not good. Don't don't nod at me like we're homies. It's all good. It's not all good. We're working shit out. No it's no the second thing you're going to when you I mean it's just not surprising that recently we saw our

police force militarized based on I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Well you do. We talked about Ferguson. We did a whole fucking thing on it. The officers trained with the Marine Corps at Camp Pendleton and other military experts was brought in to teach SWAT how to deal with sniper fire which just watch TV. What do you mean how to do a sniper fire? You you just get in another position and you shoot the sniper. You sniper. You bring a fucking sniper. Yeah. You sniper back. Exactly. You re sniper the sniper. Yes. You sniper back at the sniper. There's not a lot of hide. Don't get shot. Don't run out in the circle.

It's so what it's a waiting game. It is. Wait a little wait a little time. Crawl into crawl into place. Yeah. I mean that's how they get that's how they shot planted earth. Make a perimeter. What that's how they shot planted earth. Sometimes you'd have to hunker down for three months to get the right shot. You know. I didn't know that. Yeah. I'm doing a dollop about it right now inside your dollop. They also bought heavy weapons. One of the things the LAPD considered buying was a 20 ton armor personnel carrier that could be equipped with a 30 cow machine gun, tear gas and grenade launchers but unfortunately

LAPD couldn't afford the thirty five thousand dollar price tag. I'm glad the reasoning is that it was too pricey. It's the fact. There's no moral completely insane. Yeah. No. No. Hey you know we had this house. Hey maybe next year. Hear me out. There's a guy in the house and he killed it. He shot a couple cops and then we were all trying to get him. Yeah. I was thinking it'd be better if we had grenade launchers. Well no. And just a big machine gun that can cut out cut like a roof off a house. No. No to those. Okay so we're getting that. We're not getting that. Okay that's it. Nope. The order's it. Feels like you're not listening. The

first. Shut that door. Hear about this. The first SWAT cops were treated poorly by regular LAPD officers. Ah. Here's a quote from Gates. For a long time they were treated as persona non grata within the department. That SWAT operates like a quasi-militaristic operation offended some of the brass. I try to explain the difference. Whereas the military will go in with buzookas and blow the place apart. SWAT's main objective is to always get everyone safely out. If anyone gets injured or killed the operation is a failure. I pointed that out to Novale. Banished from everyday police circles we kept our training secret. Whoa. That's

crazy. But. Okay so this goes to your point. The cops back then knew there was something wrong with SWAT. Yeah. And eventually over time it became ingrained within. Yeah. The police thinking and then they acquiesced and allowed it to become part of the thing. Well and. Originally the cops were against it because they knew it was fucked up. And now arguably my guess is that cops want to be SWAT. Oh I want to be SWAT. Yeah like that you're like you pine for that position. Yeah. I love that no one would talk to him. Oh you fucking SWAT-y. Hey SWAT. Okay hold my towel SWAT. It comes SWAT. Yeah. How you doing? Get over here

and put your head in the toilet. My name is Michael. Okay SWAT. God damn it. What do you do? Do you blow my door off? No. You big tough guy with your tank or whatever. We don't have a tank. We can afford it. Yeah. We do it the old fashioned way. Yeah I know. We've worked together for two years. You beat up black people. Yeah I'm aware of what you. On the streets. I know that you're like what are you supposed to do when you're a cop. Back in my day we just had to beat up black people. We would just go out and say where are the browns. Yeah. And now you're kicking indoors and blowing things up. It's a little too. It's a little too technological. Okay so it

sounds great right? Yeah it sounds great. The other cops hate you and you're training secretly. Yes. It all sounds perfect. Yes nice. Now shit what the Black Panthers was on at this point. Boy I'm not gonna lie I'm a fan of our new plot that's just entered. The Black Panther Party or the BPP originally known as the Black Party Panther for self-defense was a revolutionary black nationalist and socialist organization active in the US from 1966 until 1982. Initially the Black Panther Party used armed citizen patrols to monitor the behavior of police officers and challenge police brutality. Wow. Okay

why'd you go away? Yeah I mean seriously. How is this not coming back right now? I know. Yeah. If someone if they don't think this isn't being talked about they're fucking crazy. Yeah. I would not be surprised if we see the Black Panthers come back. I'm into it. And I love cats of all kinds. I love them. Especially I like it. I've always enjoyed petting panthers. When you get a panther purring there's nothing like that. Oh my god. Nothing like. So loud. So pretty. So pretty. And then they eat your hand. And then yeah and then they just eat your closest baby. In 1969 community social programs became became a main

activity of party members. The Black Panther Party instituted a variety of community social programs most extensively the free breakfast for children's programs savages clinics. So now they started now they start up in their game a little bit. Now the whole now everyone's getting it's not just about walking around with guns. Now it's like you know outreach. So now yeah this is when people get really upset when you start start doing it. Well yeah you can't be giving free free meals. We've learned that we've learned that very recently with our boy Clifford. The FBI director J. Edgar Hoover called the

party the greatest threat to the internal security of the country. All right. While he wore a dress. Right. So. And he used to fuck his assistant right. Was that his deal. I don't know. Just a cross trust. I thought he was just a cross trust but who knows. Regardless. Regardless. I mean it's just great that at the end of the day you the guy who's legislating a lot of what is and what isn't acceptable was secretly putting on women's clothing behind closed doors in his office. Well he was he was righteous. Yep. Hoover supervised an extensive program of surveillance infiltration perjury police harassment and many other

tactics designed to undermine Panther leadership. Wait. He came. He used those charges against the black. That was that was the program. The FBI program. Right. Was to use surveillance infiltration perjury police harassment and other tactics to undermine Panther leadership. Cool. Nice guy. Incriminate party members discredit and criminalize the party and drain the organization of resources of manpower. Yeah. The program is also accused of being of using assassination against Black Panther members. Oh good. It's interesting. We're prong in the strategy. We're a great country. Yeah. Great country full of good people who

really are looking for resolution not just the quickest answer. On December 4th nineteen sixty nine Fred Hampton of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panthers was asleep in a Chicago home when he was shot and killed at point blank range during a gun raid by the Chicago police department. Who kills someone like a gun raid where you shoot a person sleeping feels like point blank. Point blank feels like we're a little off topic of what the gun raid was about. I don't know. Like we're there to prevent gun violence. They're like oh get him while he's sleeping. This program is called kill the black people. It's a good one too. It's

been going on for a long time. Yeah. I believe that program is so good. Yeah. In LA the Black Panthers were preparing for an inevitable confrontation with the LAPD although they hadn't prepared for a well organized and highly equipped SWAT unit. On December 6th two patrol officers claimed to have seen Panther members Red Paul Red Duck Smith and Geronimo Platt. Wow. By the way the evolution of those names was just juicier and juicier. Okay. Let's just stop right here and say the Black Panthers had the best nicknames. Yeah. Of any any group. That's great. Socialist militaristic. Yeah. Yeah. Hey duck. That's part

of the cops tactic too. It's like we got to put out the nicknames. Fucking nicknames. God damn it. The duck. So they they were they claimed that they saw them in possession of illegal firearms. Right. I'm sure that I'm sure that I'm sure they did just what they just drove by and they drove by and they were just out there with their you know how whenever you turn your back black people are exchanging money for guns everywhere. They just happened to drive by one of these normal situations. Yeah I saw it over there. Yep. No more questions. Let's go get them boys. That pen won't be necessary. Hey Sergeant Smith what'd you

see. They had guns sticking out of the stuff. Let's move. Search wants were for illegal weapons were issued and served two hours before sunrise on Monday and December 8th. Okay. Sorry December 9th. Big day arrives. LAPD responds by planning a massive three location raid involving more than 350 officers. So it's a very normal reaction. We get a third of the police force. Third of the police force because they saw two guys with guns. So now there have to be 350 cops. SWAT was going to lead the raid. The operation surprisingly quickly turned into the not saving lives failure type of thing that Gates was talking about.

Okay. Remember how he's saying we want to do this with that. Yes. Apparently that is not how this went. Well I mean what's important is we now have the SWAT team. The Black Panthers responded to police at the door with gunfire and by tossing grenades. Jesus. Right. Tossing grenades. That was their response to a knock. Grenades. Grenades. They were doing grenades. You can see the building. It's just this little two-story building with like two windows. It's like one of those deals and just even grenades through a bombing. Jesus Christ. SWAT and every cop around responded by shooting hundreds of rounds into the four to five buildings. So

they've 45 the building. So you can't shoot into it. It's just okay. Center blocks and center blocks. Overall both sides shot over 5,000 rounds of ammunition as the hours passed. This thing lasted four hours. SWAT realized they couldn't shoot the guys in the building. Okay. At that point Gates petitioned the Marines for a grenade launcher. What throwing's too hard? Well they didn't they weren't cops were allowed to have grenades then. You couldn't just have grenades as a cop. Right. You could have certain weapons. But it also undermines his whole point that they're gonna try the reason it's not exist was to not kill people. Well we all

know how precise grenades are. So it goes on for like an hour and he goes let's get their grenades and blow the fuck out of them. I thought you guys were in it. I thought the whole thing was to not kill people. Get their grenades. Yeah. So back then before they could use a grenade launcher they had to get federal approval. So the mayor called the Defense Department in Washington. Wait this is mid like battle? Mid battle. In the middle of the battle. On the fucking bat line. Right. So he's treating it like you're watching a sporting event and someone forgot breadsticks when you ordered a pizza. So he's just kind of just like hey, hurry up.

Yeah. Okay. Good. Norm. We got a new water. Yeah. So he called them up and he was like hey we have some black people we want to blow up. You had me at black people. Let's dance. What do you need? That's exactly what happened. Go for it. Yep. I think they stamped it cool. Yeah. Hey where's my cool stamp? Cool. So they got the grenade launcher down there and it was waiting in a car. It was they were getting ready to use it. When the black panthers surrendered. Okay. Oh my god. Talk about the blue balls the cops had. Right. Oh yeah. Oh they were probably just jerking off around that fucking thing. Are you sure you don't want to shoot a little longer at us?

We were kind of just starting to get into it. We were just gonna go over this car here and get this little tube thing. Just to shoot tube grenades at you. There were only 11 panthers against hundreds of cops plus Butch Cassidy and the Senate's kid had just come out in October of 69. Okay. They had seen the ending to that. Oh right. So that was like this is not. Yeah. Right. So only three panthers and three LAD PD cops were injured making SWAT's first operation a huge success. In the end. So everything you said is true. Yeah. They but it's because they didn't get to use their grenade launcher. Yeah. Right. And they wanted to. They

were dying to. Yeah. I mean so 70 a cop and fucking 69 be able to shoot a grenade launcher into a house full of blacks. Come on. It's like a dream. It's like a Norman Rockwell painting. Perfect. The next big SWAT event happened on May 17. SWAT event 1974. So five years later. Okay. The LAPD discovered that the Symbionese Liberation Army a left wing completely batshit crazy group who had kidnapped Patty Hearst and Rob Banks was holed up in an L.A. house. Okay. So the SLA originally was fighting for racial equality but they were almost entirely white guys. Okay. Ladies there were a lot of ladies in it. Yeah. But so then so

they were in in SF and the heat was on them because they had robbed these banks and they kidnapped Patty Hearst. Yeah. So a bunch of them went down to L.A. and moved into a black neighborhood and then the black people were walking up to cops and going there's the crazy white people are here because they didn't want the crazy white. Yeah. In the neighborhood. Right. So they were going up to the cops and being like the crazy white people with the guns are in the yellow officer. And there's something I never thought I'd say. Yeah. The crazy white people. Yeah. That's crazy white. And they were like oh so over 400.

It feels like I should beat you but you're not saying anything. Give me information that's helpful. So I want to punch you. I'm so used to just throwing you on the ground with violence. But there's nothing in the manual about this. I'm just going to walk away. Know what's happening. All right. One punch. One punch. Over 400 police surrounded the house on East 54th Street in Los Angeles. So fucking many. Swat fired tear gas into the house. SLA member shot back with automatic weapons. The gunfight raged on for two hours when police shot more tear gas canisters and the house caught on fire. Okay. So

that's never good. No the house on fire is not good. When your house is on fire it's you're not you're nearing the end of your thing. Yeah. You're not again. You're not really there's not much like tactical. There's not much tactical thinking going into a burning house. No there's like if you're in a burning house and it's on fire you're like I'm gonna die. Okay. It's too hot to touch. I think I'll go outside. And then a couple of ran out immediately got shot. Yeah. Because the cops were like cool. We shot us before. So you know how we're supposed to be just totally equals. Six SLA members died. No police were

killed. Over 9000 rounds of ammunition were fired between the LAPD and SLA. What? That is so insane. It's crazy. All at one fucking house. That's I mean and that's insane. Yeah. After the SLA shootout SWAT teams were issued body armor and automatic weapons. A modern day SWAT. We know it as we know it was born. Now on September 20th 1970 four years before the SLA shootout a boy was born in Los Angeles. Who was he now? His name was Larry Warfell Jr. Warfell? Warfell W-A-R-F-E-L. All right. Junior. His father was Larry Warfell Sr. and his mother was Barbara Allen. Okay. Except those actually weren't their names at all. Oh boy. They were

actually Dorothy Clay and Larry Eugene Phillips Sr. and they were on the run from the law. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They had me fooled for 10 seconds. Larry Sr.'s life of crime started early. When he was a year out of high school he was arrested for pulling a prank with some friends. The prank was to dig up a grave and remove a corpse's head. And he spent a few months in prison. What a really funny joke. Hey you guys. I got a great prank. I want to pull him this guy that's not alive. Yeah. Yeah. What the prank on? Unless you're gonna do something with the head. And even then I mean you have to know that who you're

pranking is not going to find the humor in it. It's not a sandwich at all. That's a human head. Hey great pranks. I'm gonna get a leg from a human body. Huh? Where does it go from there? That's it. It's gone. It's gone everywhere. It can go. I got a leg. I got an actual leg. That's a human leg. And other people are with him like so wait what is this prank? Well you got a head. Right? You take it from a body and then you're like I got a head. Right. Okay. I'm just sure if there's more to it. No that's the whole thing. It's not very good. It's good. Hey okay wait watch me. Hey I got a head. You know what? I'm actually starting to buy this a little

bit. That is pretty fucking funny. That head is really weird and gross. Larry senior spent a few months in prison. What are you in for? I cut off a dead guy's head as a joke. Okay I'm gonna go over there side of the yard. Cool. People say that a lot to me. You're one of them. You're one of the yeah there's a little groupie over there. You can join that gang. I want to be a neo-Nazi. No no no you're with prank heads. Prank heads. Oh my god coming to MTV in fall 2015. Prank heads. We're shocked that we're under fire for the show prank heads and we promised to take a look internally until we could fix the tone. Well we knew it was edgy. We just didn't

think people would get so upset about it. The problem is we don't know what edgy means. Look we thought it was fun. It was dangerous. No one was actually getting hurt. You remember how mad people were when stevo jumped in poo. That's we thought it was this. We thought this was stevo and poo. It's just a head. It's a guy's head. A fucking head. Prank heads. Hey there's a head in my salad. Prank heads. So Harry senior was paroled and then he immediately tried to rob a gas station. At least that's a crime. I mean at least he did something that it just has an upside to it. Yeah but I kind of loved that he went from like doing a not crime to going

to jail to being like I'm gonna commit a real crime then. Well he probably got to put me in jail for carrying her out of head. People in jail were probably just like man you didn't even really commit a crime. He was like I did too. What's up HP? Huh? Give me my HP boy. We'll hit Prank. Stop it. HP. Stop calling me HP. He robs the liquor store with the head. He's like give me all the money. There you go. He spent three months in prison and then he was sent to a mental hospital which we don't know why. I know why. Then he managed to escape from the mental hospital and he hooked up with his girlfriend Dorothy and they hit the

road. What's not to love about that situation? I'm sure Dorothy. Who wouldn't stick with him? Who wouldn't stand by that guy? He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He occasionally gets into head. Sure. I mean there's a whole head thing. Every boy dabbles in heads when they're young. We've all had our head phase. Larry senior then went by the name Daniel Ira Warfel. Daniel was someone he went to high school with and he decided to use the name because Daniel was quote a mama's boy. So he figured if he just took Daniel's identity. He becomes him. Daniel was in such. Daniel would never commit a crime so it's not like it's like a bad guy's identity. That guy would commit a crime and he'd get arrested for that.

So he's like well this guy's a pussy. He's a Warfel. He's a Warfel. Classic Warfel. Just total Warfel. But then you would have to walk around all the day. What's your last name? Warfel. Yeah. I mean you really could have probably just picked a random name and liked it. I don't know if you could. Instead he sounds like a sick Warfel. I don't know if he's a worst name. Warfel. What's wrong with you Warfel? I don't know. It's got puke on the inside. It looks kind of like a Warfel. Very little is known about Larry Jr.'s wife Dorothy except that she's known to have used the aliases. Dorothy Clay. Dorothy Mastis. Frances Ellen Garcia. Dorothy

Stefano. Barbara Allen and Dorothy Phillips. What a chameleon. So she was, I'm guessing not a good lady. Yeah. So I thought of my new name. I've got seven names I use. I'm gonna go with Dorothy. Your name is Dorothy. Yeah but this time I'll think of some new ones then. Okay. Oh I've got it. Oh yeah. Dorothy. No I sorry you're right you're right. Oh Dorothy Dorothy. Yes exactly. Her only occupation that was ever listed was prostitute. I'm not sure if she listed that. Has she been on Monster? I'm not sure was she like going to 7-Eleven. I'm like a job. I have for the past seven years I have been a prostitute. You can call my pimp bitch slap. Here's his number he's

referred me. You can call Frank X or Larry X or Jimmy X. Yeah. Excuse me. Is this Jimmy X? We got a woman here Dorothy. She said she used to fuck her for money. Yeah yeah. Yeah I used to fuck Dorothy for money. Was she good at? Was she good at her job? Yeah she was good at fuck her. What's the position she's applying for? Accountant. Yeah I think she'd be great. She's such real good dick so she'll probably be really good with numbers. I mean just say you never had a job. Right I've never I've always been a. Well I don't want to sound like I didn't work. I was a whore for seven years. This is my favorite part of the Larry senior story. He was walking down the street in Salt Lake City when a cop approached him

and asked his name. Larry senior even though he has like 30 different names told the cop his real name. What? I know. I know. You've got so many names to choose from. And he picks his real one. Can you imagine his internal voice when he said that he's been like dumb ass. How did you just say your real fucking name? Seriously just say Larry Phillips did I really just say that. Yeah me I'm Larry Phillips. God damn it I meant Wharfle. I mean I hate Wharfles. So then the cop put him in the back of his police car and ran him for warrants. When the warrants came back positive. I don't know what's happening in Utah at this time. Larry bolted from the back of the police car. Okay so there's that's

what your question is. What about the locks where you can't get out of the cop car in the back. And then he just ran away the cop didn't catch him. Well he just think I ran in for warrants and then he just opened up the door and took off. Oh there are some. I'm gonna run. At that point the couple decided to move to Los Angeles. Okay. Now the reason I bring the whole drive they were practicing what are our names. Larry Wharfle and Dorothy prostitute. Dora and Horathe. Horathe. Now the reason I bring up all this background about Larry Sr. is because of the effect it had on Larry Jr. Larry Sr. saw himself as a victim of law enforcement and considered them to be the enemy. Well I'm sure his son

didn't think anything different. Oh boy it was right on board. So this is a good time to bring a kid in the world right. Yes. You know what I've got 19 aliases. My wife's a prostitute. I am a petty thief. I just ran out of a cop car in Utah. How about a kid. Let's share this experience. You know when people say I don't want to have a kid yet until I get a little more settled. Yeah. This is it. Yeah. Well once you have a lot going on. Everything went well for a while. But while the family was celebrating Larry Jr. 6th birthday. The cops busted in the door and arrested Larry Sr. while his horrified son looked on. Happy birthday Larry Jr. Dad's face and cake. Cops all over him. Horrified

son and regular whore mom. Right. That day apparently had a huge effect on Larry Jr. What do you mean the day that his dad got arrested at his birthday. Yeah. Okay. Yeah weird right. Weird that that's a seed. The last time Larry Sr. had had been imprisoned was seven years ago. At that time he had a three quarter in scar on his right knee. Okay. This time seven years later he had a half inch scar underside of his jaw a one inch scar underside of his left forearm a two inch scar underside of the left forearm and a one inch stab wound scar right side of the torso below the rib cage. Well. So in those seven years in a busy beat someone was living. Yeah. Yeah. Someone was being what I like to call

a dad. It's a lot. Hey stop. I could just help dad stop his bleeding. Hey some asshole stabbed your old man. Give me the stab towel and me the stab towel. Hey Larry Jr. You got the stab kit there. I'm bleeding again stab kit. Yeah. Well no just just playing with a head. Get the bullet wreck too. Yeah. You know listen I I have to go. I have to stop going to the graveyard and cutting off heads. Looks like I'm leading a double life. Larry Sr. would explain some of the advice he gave to his son later. One great tip was a quote if you're going to do something wrong then don't tell anyone. It's a great moral. I mean right there. It has it has the perfect beginning. If you're going to do something

wrong don't do it. Right. All right. If you're going to do something wrong to someone. Yeah. If you're going to do something wrong don't tell anybody. Don't hide hide hide that. Hide Barry. You know. Criminalling. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. Well that's how your old man got caught a bunch of times. That's the cops. I got to go. How do you think I caught with him about that head. I walked into a bar and I was like I took a head. I guess you could say I'm at the head of the line. I'll have a beer. Who's with you. You all look pretty scared for somebody who just killed at a comedy club. Why is he arresting me. The marriage ended in 1980. OK. Larry Sr. would see his boy less and less. And when he did see him

Larry Sr. tried to impart his criminal wisdom into his impressionable son telling him tales from the wrong side of the law of exploits and experiences and of just how he could never ever ever trust the police. OK. Larry. Might be a little damaging. Sure. Larry quit school. Larry Jr. quit school in the ninth grade and married his high school sweetheart. What else are you going to learn. Hey look man. Now Larry Jr. had a plan. He like his father wanted to get rich. Oh boy. I try and you know what I'm saying. I think we know which one's going to happen. And the whole quitting high school thing I assume was a big part of that genius plan. Yeah. In 1986 Larry Jr. in his high school sweetheart and moved to Los Angeles

and they decided he decided to become a bodybuilder. OK. Like most get rich. Yeah. I could probably have helped with better plans. Hey you want to do a pyramid screen scheme. No I'm going to start lifting weights. No I'm going to take the next 15 years to maybe compete over my body. Hey I was thinking about this plan where we you know we trick people into giving us money and we say it's time to invest. What do you think. I think I'm going to lift weights as weights. OK. Here's the thing. I'm going to get really really big. OK. I'm going to go rob a fucking bank dumbass. OK. I'm going to get big. OK. Bye. Good luck to you robbery money guy. Yeah. You're an idiot Larry. I'll see you on the front of Muscle magazine. You

probably won't bud. OK. He signed up for a five year membership at the world famous Golds Gym in Venice Beach. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah he's done the hard parts. He filled out the application. He figured I also love that he signed up for five years when you can just sign up for a fucking month or just a year. You got to paint yourself in that corner if you want to be the best. He figured that that was the gym to go to because it was famous. Right. Of course. Yep. We all know the best things are the ones you've heard of. Yep. This was a bit complicated because he lived in Pasadena. Oh Christ. And he didn't have a car. What. He's going to become a fucking sprinter. For people who don't know it's very far. He couldn't live in a

more opposite location in Los Angeles. A farther away location than Pasadena. Driving it would be a pain. Oh my God. Driving it right now would be two hours. A big pain in the fucking nightmare. Yeah. It actually might be time to start walking there now that I'm talking about it. Might be faster actually. So he would take a bus a bus every day to the gym and each each way would take two hours. Oh my God. Instead of just going to a gym near him and getting big and then going to the Venice school. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. His wife must have loved his plan. Oh God. She was like this is working out. It's perfect because you're gone seven hours a day and look the same. But as ripped as Larry Junior became

he realized he was never going to get as big as was necessary to make a living in muscles. I don't I don't think that's good. He let his you let his gym membership lapse. Okay. Sad days. We're hearing a dream die right now. I think we're about to see a nightmare start. But what he did do at the gym before he gave up his dream was meet a man who had changed his life. And this is the only time to say his last name because it's a fucking Romanian nightmare last name. Emile Matessaranu. I'm just gonna say that's just that's it. I'm not gonna I'm not going to go near that one again. You know the remaining is like to use a lot of vowels. I believe it's vowels only every every remaining name is like a

vowel part. Vowels and W's I think is what's permitted. Larry Junior had a skill that was a bit odd. He before horrible decision making horrible decision making. He befriended people who were needy people. He would have an upper hand over who he could control and manipulate cool guy describes Emile perfectly. Yep. Emile wasn't exactly well liked. He was an only child of Valerie Nikolescu and VRL Dominic Matessaranu. That's that name again. There was he he was born in Romania on July 19th 1966. Okay. In 1974 Valerie and Voreal defected while on a tour of Italy with an opera company. They were opera singers. Okay. Naturally. Sure. Yeah. Of course. And everybody loves the Romanian opera singer. Oh it's some of

the better opera. They eventually made their way to Altadena a suburb next to Pasadena near Los Angeles. Just like Romania. Right down this street from where I live. Yep. That's right. Do you want to give your address out? Nope. Okay. Emile went to South Pasadena High School where he had close to zero friends. Poor kid. There's no mention of any involvement in sporting activities, computer labs or any social outlet within the school in his yearbook. He was bullied in high school due to his Romanian accent. Quit being Romanian dumbass. There's nothing I can do. And he had epilepsy. Oh Jesus Christ. Hey shake your Romanian. Go fuck yourself. Hey he's shaking. Leave him be now guys. Oh who has a weird accent. Shake

he shakes. Oh Jesus. Who fell down with Romanian guy. Oh and he was overweight. Okay. So let's just real quick. Yep. We have a nerdy Romanian fat. Yeah. Caesar child. Yeah. And what. Yeah. No it sounds cool. Yep. It's all gonna work out. Oh you know I feel like there's no one to relate to at high school. I go shake his shake now. I go shake it. I'm gonna go to the floor to shake for a bit. When I fat so when I shake my tits go boom boom. Oh Jesus. Did you go to high school with him you fuck. I boy. I boy. I fall down my tits go boom boom. Yeah I'm man. I'm in though. I have testicles balls. Just even hearing your impression makes me not want to hang out with him and not feel as bad. It just sounds like a wet

noodle. Sometimes I fall down I go shakey shakey. Nice show my balls. My tits go boom and I get up and I go I'm man. All right Emil that'll be enough. I'm the principal. He became an introvert getting into computers and spending all his time at home. Okay. Can you believe the introvert. Yeah. No shocking. It's just well I guess when you can't be an extrovert you have to be something when you're not allowed to be anything. There's no yeah you can't do anything. In 1982 his mom got a state care license to help. I missed. Oh boy. Slowly. In 1982 his mom got a state care license to take in develop me this developmentally disabled adults. Okay. It's so hard to read because it's so crazy. So she started taking

care of mentally disabled people. Sure. Well Emil was done. He was fixed. You could get between one thousand and four thousand a month per disabled person from the state. She took in six. What. The place was called Valerie's Villa. Well I love the alliteration but everything else sounds like a real shit shot. Then things began to fall apart in the marriage. Why David. I don't know. I can't think of any reason. Yeah. Emil also began to have an interest in firearms. This is just the details are just not sounding good. No we're building a beautiful beautiful picture. I'm a little worried about what I'm hearing. A neighbor said he was always seen cleaning several guns. Okay. That's the craziest statement. A neighbor

would often say no he's always seen cleaning a gun. But what he's saying is this guy always had like a table set up. He was clearing up. He's cleaning a bunch of guns like in public maybe outside of where Valerie takes care of the mentally disabled kids. What are you doing. I'm just watching Valerie's husband clean his guns while she teaches the disabled kids inside. And because of all the tension revolving around the end of his parents' marriage and financial ruin he got a little easy to agitate. He developed anger and attitude problems and on one occasion swung a chainsaw in his next door neighbor's face because the neighbor's dog walked onto his lawn. Well you know how property lines are. Right. You've got to be

very. I think we're all on Emil's side. Yeah. So wait Emil did the chainsaw thing. He swung a chainsaw on a guy. He might have been having a seizure you insensitive bastard. You know how many things you can swing in someone's face that already scares them. Yeah. It's not a chainsaw. Like everything. A chainsaw swing. A hammer would freak you out if it was coming towards your face. A citation was issued to Valerie's licensed home for disabled adults for quote leaving firearms strewn about the house. Strewn. Strewn was the word in the L.A. Times. Jesus. Strewn. Right. In a home full of mentally disabled people. Yeah. There's just guns everywhere. Well yeah but part of you has to think it'll be exciting when it

goes down. On several occasions state licensing officials visited Valerie's villa but were denied entry to the home. In September 1995 community care licensing inspectors were turned away twice. On one visit Valerie told inspectors she would not meet with them and drove off in a van. No. But then by but she has these disabled kids there. I go now. Well I'm sure there was someone else watching him when she I'm sure there were many of the guns will keep an eye on them. They chain. They got chain. Don't worry they're fine. Leave us alone. They chain. They chain. They chain to wall. They're good. They health. They encages. They're happy. They have guns. They have guns. I have to go. I really am late.

On another visit a man coming to be Valerie's attorney told inspectors to leave the site and said he would get a gun from his car if they did not do so. Good. Good. Good attorney. That's how the law works. That's a good attorney right there. That's the best attorney ever. Well I don't have the legal argument but I do have a loaded handgun in my car. The exact case escapes me. Let me just go get my twenty two. Hold on. I'm gonna. I'm gonna shoot you. I'm just gonna kill you guys instead. Can I see your paperwork or no. I'm just gonna shoot you. That looks pretty legit. I guess I'm gonna have to kill you guys. Valerie's mental problems continued and it led to a series of rest for arrests for his parents.

Financial ruin followed for the family after Valerie's license was suspended so she can no longer take care of the right. She no longer that sweet cash that sweet little side job that was a twenty four hour a day pseudo nightmare. No. Meanwhile Emile and Larry Jr. were becoming good friends after meeting at Gold's Gym. Larry Jr. began studying real estate determined to make his break into the current boom market which was also known by another name the savings and loan scandal because every 10 or 15 years America likes to have a self made housing crisis in which the government has to pay billions to bail out white collar criminals. So he wanted to get in on that. I'm excited for the next one. Right. It's gonna be fun. Anyway

on November 3rd 1990 he was issued his salesperson's license but he had to pass an exam by May 3rd 1992 and pass background checks. That's last part might be an issue. Yep. On January 30th 1991 Larry's license was suspended indefinitely. The California Department of Real Estate processed his background check. His fingerprints revealed an undisclosed arrest. Turns out that in 1989 at a Sears store in Alhambra Larry senior or sorry Larry Jr. had shoplifted four hundred dollars worth of suits. So I just want to point out that first of all four hundred dollars in suits. So it's plural. Yeah. So suits suits. That's what's amazing. Four hundred dollars. He got caught. How was the guy like hey you didn't walk in with eight

suits that are fifty dollars. Yeah. Sears. It's not like he's getting two two hundred dollars suits. Who steals from Sears. The whole thing. It's just he's Larry Jr. is the master criminal of all time. Don't fuck with me. I took a head once. Larry went apeshit. He felt that these people had taken away his livelihood somehow deprived him persecuted him and he swore to get even just like his dad now. So now it's exactly like it must be great when you're on the phone like OK well to all that I just got to say again you're it's a suspended indefinitely. I will find you and I'll kill everybody. All right. Well I just don't sell don't sell property. OK. Well my dad took heads. OK. I'm hanging up.

At this point Larry was still living with his high school sweetheart or Santos is her name in a house near Pasadena and they had a baby because like his dad you want to pass you want to pass this gene. It's just a great time to bring a kid. You want to pass this down. Money came in but she had no idea where he was getting it. When she asked about it he said don't worry mind the baby. It's good. It's a good sign. Good marriage. So OK. So Larry then uses real estate knowledge. He set up a phony shell company and sold fake second mortgages to real estate brokers sold fake second. OK. Right. It went south when he took a real estate agent named Larry Newfield for twenty three thousand dollars. But then

Larry Jr. got greedy and he had an accomplice. Dennis Hicks called to get even more and this time they were going for sixty five thousand. So he's at he's so he's calling up and saying I have a sixty five thousand dollars second mortage by the new field became suspicious and Hicks started demanding that the deal be done really quickly. Strange right. So Newfield drove to the house in question and spoke to the owner and the scam was uncovered. OK. Newfield then called Hicks. But Larry Jr. answered the phone. Because Hicks and Larry Jr. were the same person. Oh Jesus. In his wisdom Larry hadn't thought to use a different phone number or get a different messenger service or whatever. He's a wereful when

he created an alias. The alias game in this family is not strong. OK. So my name is Daryl now it's the same number though. The voice the voicemail or the answering machine. You raise Larry and or Hicks. Larry Jr. Larry Wofford Jr. and Dennis Hicks and Steve Gibbons and all right. Leave him if you're calling about the sixty five thousand leave a message for Dennis. If you're calling about the four hundred eighty four dollars leave a message for Larry. Newfield and Larry Jr. argued. Larry Jr. tried to convince Newfield. God damn it. Oh boy. This is so hard to read. OK. It's a sixty five thousand dollar mortgage. Oh yes. Yes. Larry Jr. tried to convince Newfield that the owner wanted a second mortgage

to pay for a lawn mower. God damn it. A golden lawn mower. He's the worst criminal of all time. A lawn mower. It's a Bentley. A golden lawn mower. You don't understand man he wants a lawn mower. Dude don't ask me. He just told me he wants to spend sixty five thousand dollars on cutting his grass. What's the thing called it. The hockey rink. The Zimboni. Yeah it's like it's one of those. No it's not. It's a lawn Zimboni. It's a lawn bony. Oh God. So let me ask you this. What was his reaction. It's so weird. Newfield didn't believe what that story. He didn't buy it. As good as that story was coming from an amazing con man like Larry Jr. he didn't believe it. He needs to he needs to do it. He wants to get a lawn

mower. Pal I'm not lying. And Newfield. Newfield also already talked to the guy. Yeah so yeah the whole thing was over. You talked to him but did he mention this lawn mower. He didn't know about that. Because he saw he says to me he said Zamboni. He didn't say Zamboni. Newfield demanded his twenty three thousand back at which point Larry Jr. threatened him quote. Listen the people I work for are animals. They're going to hurt you bad. Jesus. Newfield hung up and called the police. What. I mean really could have gone better. It could have gone better. A warrant was issued for Larry Jr. but he was why he was not caught. What. And he set up a new shell company and began the scam all over again. But this time his

luck ran out and he was caught by the police. At the time he had a loaded nine millimeter browning high power pistol. Larry Jr. claimed it was for protection because he worked in a cash business. OK so see his. His lies getting a little better. See obviously here's the deal. I steal from people so I need a gun for protection. So. So did it. So the gun is OK. Because. OK so hold on. So the stealing part is bad but because we're going to cash business which is stealing. I need a gun. Capiche officer this whole thing is really about a lawn mower. OK. Larry Jr. also had in his possession a book called Master Manipulator by Horner Brickley. You know you're going to become a master manipulator when you're

buying a book on manipulating. That's how you get there. Actually that's a great book to write master manipulator and you buy it. You are the master manipulator. It is the true story of Ted Wolfram a partner at a brokerage firm in I think Toledo who stole 47 million over a 10 year period and lived the life of the jet set. So this guy's for 10 years stealing from the company and just living like a like a king. The book sold over 3,800 copies in a year. Wow. Yeah. Ted Wolfram spent 10 years in federal prison for stealing from investors. Larry Jr. wanted the same lifestyle. Cool. You see any problem with that. Yes. The prison thing. Yeah. OK. That it ends poorly. Larry Jr. somehow beat the rap on the scam. No one

knows how rumors that he turned in accomplices who all fled to Canada or maybe the prosecutor didn't believe there was enough evidence to convict but either way he was free and all was well. His wife saw things differently with the arrests and the money coming from nowhere. His wife decided enough was enough and took their son and moved to Denver. OK. At this point a meal and Larry Jr. began hanging out a lot. Now a meal was recently married. He had met a woman while visiting his grandmother in Romania. They'd quickly cranked out a son that a meal adored. Then a meal was struck by one of the patients at Valerie's facility. Oh Jesus. He suffered a blood clot in his head from which he would have headaches for

the rest of his life. He underwent surgery but began having more seizures. Then his wife and son left him. Oh my God. But I'm guessing the seizures weren't the reason that they left. Yeah. I'm guessing him being fucking moron. Yeah. And a crazy guy who put chains on people's face. I'm guessing that was. Sure. I'm guessing she wanted to get the fuck out of Romania. A few things. And she married an American nationalized guy. And then she after three years she was like oh God can we go. All you do is shake and make bad decisions. They're not they're not tits. They. I didn't say your tits. OK. But they're breath. Jesus Christ. They're shaking again. They're shaking. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom.

Now Amelia and Mary Jr. were two guys who wanted to get rich quick. OK. Lost their families and who were into the gym. All three. Hey man. Some cool dudes. Three very bad things. Some cool dudes. They hit the road together and started to travel around. They decided to make some money. First in Lilliton Colorado they robbed an armored car on July 20th 1993. OK. No one was hurt. So the get rich words on fire on fire. On October 23 23 1993 in Glendale California Larry Jr. in a meal driving in a brand new red Ford Thunderbird that they had rented from an airport sped away from a gas station at high speed. They were pursued and stopped by Sergeant Ian Grimes Grimes Larry Jr. for his driver's license

Larry Jr. said he'd accidentally left it at home. A meal said the car was his mother's but Grimes knew the car was a rental because of the rental stickers and the registration and the key chain and he had seen them leaving a rental car parking lot. I never thought I never thought I would say this but a meal should leave the lying to Larry a meal somehow worse. Where'd you guys get the car. He's my mother's. Her name is rental. She on the budget. Her name budget rental car. She mama's budget. I shake. I shake. Officer Grimes ordered them out of the car. He then noticed they were both armed with 90 millimeter Glock 17 pistols. OK. Which he took from them. Yep. The search was then made of the Thunderbird.

The following was found a Polytech semi automatic rifle with a folding stick a Norinco MAK 90 semi automatic rifle with a wooden stock a Springfield Armory 45 pistol a Colt 45 pistol one thousand six hundred and forty nine rounds of seven point six two by 39 millimeter ammunition most of them loaded into 30 round magazines three Chinese made 75 round drum magazines loaded with seven point six two and thirty nine millimeter ammo three hundred and sixty seven rounds of nine millimeter GHP ammo three hundred and fifty seven rounds of forty five GHP ammo six smoke bombs two improvised explosive devices a gas mask two sets of national armor level two a vest two two hundred channel portable programmable scanners with earpieces sunglasses gloves

wigs ski masks and a stopwatch two spray cans of gray studio hair color three different California automobile license plates and one thousand six hundred twenty dollars in cash don't speed you guys go to the beach you guys are murder clowns we go camping yeah wow also love love the idea that there's one gas mask somehow Larry convinced a meal he didn't need that what are you what are you guys working a salon but I see the hair stuff in here you guys so long guys so you guys are graffiti makeover people who have anything wrong here gentlemen just don't speed anymore capiche well this all looks in order sorry for the delay gentlemen pardon me Larry we finally have a guy named Larry

that's my name uh so the two were arrested in charge with conspiracy to commit robbery grand theft auto unlawful weapons activity carrying concealing a loaded firearm and perjury in december Larry junior list is amazing it's fucking remarkable in december Larry junior and a meal were sentenced to 99 days and 71 days in prison respectively plus 36 days of probation for each okay not a lot of time everything they had they were going to they were like hey guys who are about to commit the worst crime ever uh here's 90 here's a little slappy slap on the wrist but that's literally a slap on the wrist they they were going to do something horrifying yeah it's a nice it's nice of law enforcement to be like hey that tragedy is gonna have to

wait three months that's right boom justice serve boys justice and lessons were learned there we go lives change you guys get rehabbed all right you get your 99 days of rehab anyway as you're checking out we'll now give you your things back some wigs some graffiti a gas mask hold on what i give you 99 days yeah okay i'm gonna give you 71 perfect good stuff your honor oh god they were released after their time served after their summer break great yeah uh we just it was just a little time to lift weights yeah just some weight time uh july 14th 1995 in los angeles they robbed a brinks armored car they used automatic weapons and shot the armored cars rear door open 51 year old security guard herman dwight cook was killed another guard was shot

in the neck jaw and chest but survived jesus on march 27 1996 another brinks armored car was shot at on a street by the two would be robbers the arm the arm car sped off and got away from the criminals may 2nd same year possibly because of the failed armored car attempt the two made their first bank robbery they stormed into a bank of america and van eyes sometime before 10 a.m armed with automatic rifles weapons uh eight made eight minutes later they exited the bank with 755 thousand dollars and 48 cents i love that they took 48 cents so great they took give me that they took they took a quarter a dive two dives and three pennies tolls then on may 31st at 10 o 5 a.m larry jr and this is this is fucking three weeks later

you just got 755 that take a fucking break 755 thousand take a break they're back on may 31st 10 a.m 10 05 larry jr and a meal robbed another bank of america and got away with 794 thousand dollars 794 200 there you go 794 794 thousand dollars and 200 right okay they thought the bank would have 2 million that was what they thought when they walked in but due to new security measures a significant portion of that money had been collected two days earlier so clearly bank of america changed shit up because they just got robbed of 755 but how great i mean but still you get 800 fucking grand for five minutes okay yeah now they have now they have like over 1.6 million dollar yeah so this time they left two bank tellers injured their feet were both hit by

shrapnel and an assistant bank manager was assaulted with the muzzle of a gun larry jr and a meal were dubbed the high incident bandits by investigators due to the weaponry they had used in their robberies they could have definitely come up with a better title and did know was there not a cop anywhere he was like yeah you remember those guys we pulled over they had all the weapons yeah yeah those were cool guys all the all the weapons in the in the state those guys were super cool well i'm just saying there's guys they're shooting up places with a bunch of weapons i know we gotta find them too right we gotta find those and i just wish we knew where to start we should we should talk to those other guys and see if they can help see if they can help us that's not a

bad idea those guys were super cool and fine cool guys cool on february 28th 1997 larry jr and a meal arrived at the bank of america on laurel canyon boulevard in a blue 1987 chevrolet celebrity that had been spray painted white okay so we'll just let that car detail go that there was a white car called celebrity there's a white car it's a celebrity and then they spray painted white so he's a blue car that they spray i don't i don't know what the thinking there was but they were like look we're gonna rob a bank we better have a white car look since we since we started going to the banks we don't use the spray paint as much as we used to so i figure maybe we just spray paint the car give it a nice spray paint shine larry larry i find the white car police cannot see

it's smart a meal like we're fucking heads at bro they cannot see white car oh let me put that stick in your mouth okay shake my look at those titties look at my boobs look at those titties they got out of the car at 9 17 a.m let me tell you something right now if the phrase they got out of the car at 9 17 a.m you're gonna get away i agree there's horrible things about yeah they know the precise time you've got out of a car yeah not good after taking phenobarbital oh wow a muscle relaxing drug to calm themselves phenobarbital really a fine line with taking prescription medications before bank robberies phenobarbital is a long-acting barbiturate and is the most widely used anti-seizure medication globally side effects include a seizure decreased

level of consciousness along with a decreased effort to breathe also hypnosis sedation and dizziness so but basically they took larry also took a meal seizure because they didn't want him to seize up in the middle of the and larry is like everybody put your put the money in the hold on hold on oh Jesus hold on we're gonna wait this out sorry can you put a stick in his somebody uh you're gonna wait this out and then we're gonna get the money a meal gets seizures i mean larry gets seizures i mean uh do over we're using this money to buy lawn mowers in case anyone asks you guys on here they walk toward the bank both armed with one chinese made norinko type 56 sport or assault rifle each and wearing gas and wearing ski masks and bulletproof body armor

suits weighing 40 pounds they synchronized their watches and gave themselves eight minutes larry jr had used a radio scanner to monitor police transmissions prior to the robbery which is how he came up with the eight minute interval now it's a good plan except the one thing i would say is whenever you see a robbery generally people don't put it all on outside and then walk in you would go to a closer location yeah you wouldn't get out of your car wearing all the stuff no no nope la pd officers lauren ferrell and martin parello saw the two gentlemen walking into the bank and put two and two together because they're not making a deposit it probably wasn't hard because of all the guns and body armor they looked like they were going to a shoot slash bombing event

the cops issued a 211 alert the police code for an armed robbery in progress ferrell and parello then positioned themselves behind a parked semi truck while a meal forced a 32-year-old man who deposited $85 dollars at one of the bank's atms inside the bank at gunpoint they entered the bank larry jr shouted this is a fucking holdup i like the balls total hack though yeah it is i can't come up with anything now they open fire spraying at the ceiling this was to intimidate the bank tellers and customers sure because because two guys walking in loaded with weapons wearing basically garbage cans of armor isn't intimidating enough you gotta shoot that ceiling let them know it's time to get scared the officers outside reported a shots fired alert

inside the bank larry jr and a meal were experiencing problems due to new security measures probably because yeah they'd already robbed two bank of americas the banks broke their money down into separate lockable boxes to slow down any robbers and bank bank of america had again varied its delivery times to its banks as a result the sum of money at the laurel canyon bank was much less than they expected a meal demanded the manager give them all of the money but there wasn't anymore in a rage he emptied a full drum of ammo into the vault unfortunately that's where they keep the money yeah so he turned a bunch of cash in a nice mist a meal he could have shot anywhere up we were just shooting the ceiling what was wrong with that it was working out great

give me all the money you just shot all the fucking money god damn it this is like a bad movie oh piece together with tape now i mean i'll put in back take time we'll make we'll make money puzzle you know the kids use to make fun of my titties they call me fat but two eventually left with 303 305 dollars okay by that point at least they're not taking change anymore yeah they have stuff to change stuff by that point please officers are surrounding the bank sergeant larry hains and officer martin whitfield were on the north side of the bank officers ferrell and parello on the front of the bank officer edward bretlinger on the north eastern side officers james zebrovan and steward guy as well detectives tracy angeles and william

krulak were at the west doorway larry jr walked out of the bank at 9 24 a.m and he saw hains and whitfield about 200 feet away and opened fire with his assault rifle riddling their vehicles with bullets people freaked out and started running for cover now now but here's the thing if you if i'm walking on the street and i see cops hunched behind cars yeah i'm not on the street no i'm already running away before the bad things happen of course the fuck is walking around wonder what they're doing what are they shooting my gosh look at the cop look at that larry jr continued to shoot with his automatic weapon and his firearm for several minutes eventually shooting seven police officers and two civilians next larry started shooting an la pd helicopter that had just arrived

well that's that's amazing that's amazing pretty i mean he's shooting into the sky at a flying thing he's right now he's a hero hey you never know you don't know he forced the helicopter to fly to a much higher altitude the helicopter must have been like hey well he's fucking crazy i can see him i'll tell you guys if he goes anywhere he's shooting he's shooting at me the police returned fire with their pistols but because larry jr was so fully covered body armor they had no effect so they're just pinging off yeah even officer zebrovins ithica model 37 pump action shotgun did absolutely nothing larry retreated back into the bank moments later he came out this time with amil they were both carrying a large bag containing the money they stole right yeah it's gonna work

it's gonna work yeah we're gonna fucking make it out of here got a real good feeling then the diepacks went off and ruined all the money total failure jesus the diepacks went off the best thing is the assistant manager didn't even mean to put the diepacks in he did it on accident so they so they run out of the bank so nervous and they get outside and they just pop pop the packs go off and they're like fuck me 18 minutes after the gun battle had begun members of the swat team arrived so now they're just shooting right they'd come straight from an exercise run and we're wearing shorts and tennis shoes under their body armor okay so they were in training they were just training yeah the swat team headquarters whatever they call it they were also armed with ar-15s and this is

when the tide began to turn first swat team members commandeered a brinks armored car to evacuate the wounded who were hiding behind cars on the street now larry jr and amil were just going into escape mode they were no longer they don't like to have the cash they're not robbing yeah yeah and their escape plan was to shoot everyone everywhere smart they opened fire on officers and civilians injuring officer guy and a civilian and shot again officer wittfield and sergeant haze jesus because these guys are not just behind cars hiding right they can't get away because there's just bullets everywhere so now the brinks car is moving in so wait but they're like they're in the open yeah they're just behind the oh the two larry and amil yeah they're just

standing in the street is this the is this one these is this the guys yeah this is this is the north hollywood shootout shut the fuck up i can't believe i got to know those guys just now they then began to move toward their they then began to move toward their chevrolet celebrity it's just it's just it's so hard to read in the middle it's crazy gunfight like larry's like amil let's go for the car hey let's go to the car spray painted white the car that's yeah yeah the ultimate escape field yeah you'll be fine in that chevrolet's larry that was one of them one one of them was first shot amil was shot in the ass and the left forearm larry jr then saw a group of officers trying to flank them from a backyard in the open fire detective

url vala de rez was hit in the head by flying debris and seriously wounded in the middle of the gun battle five officers went to the b&b gun shop which is since closed down and started borrowing weapons and ammunition wow so the cops are fucking running to a local gun shop yeah give me whatever you got yeah we're gonna need stuff no bigger things i mean they squared it away with that guy yeah i'm sure they did sure they've made it all fine yeah i wonder why the place closed down well because the l.a. pity because they got other guns stolen from them by cops and afterwards cops like we didn't go i didn't uh anyway we'll see you later buddy a male got in the chevrolet and started his engine while larry jr covered him with a heckler and mo and cock m9 a 1a3

semi-ionic rifle police shot at him and hit the rifle making it useless larry jr was also hit in the shoulder he threw the gun down and pulled out a norenko type 56 s1 assault rifle but it was jamming to make things even more complicated the fenobarbital was really kicking in oh god yeah you didn't expect the fenobarbital during this i lost going to shoot the boys got jammed can't make my tongue feels weird do you guys want to keep shooting at each other it's like god's like what you made me we should just be friends can we call a truth the meal's ass is really shit look at my hand and then the uh salin got distracted by his hands for about an hour and a half which point the battle consumed you this looks like a rabbit right

his hands larry jr was becoming confused and started to lack coordination the fenobarbital was a really bad idea yeah terrible the assault rifle then permanently jammed larry jr tossed it down and opened fire with a nine millimeter beretta model 92 fs semi-automatic pistol police returned fire and shot larry in the right hand that caused him to drop his pistol as he picks up the pistol swat fires away and ten shots from the swat team penetrable bullets hit his armor so he shot uh so then larry jr shoots himself in the chin he picks up the gun shoots himself in the chin in an attempt of that suicide well okay so one is your bird manning it theory is is that he killed himself another theory is is that his hand had been shot and he picked up the gun and tried to

try to like cock it you know oh because we used the only thing he could which is right underneath his helmet right and he shot himself in the chin while reloading i kind of want to feel like that's the one i'm totally going with that one i'm gonna say that it's not one it's just a better story yeah uh so that was 952 a.m okay so that's it started in 917 it's a while that's a long time that's like an episode of cheers yeah or any other show but cheers i'm staying with the time yeah okay on a 97 no yeah i think that's fair i like that now we're gonna do it in the time we're gonna keep in the pop culture oh maybe seinfeld seinfeld sure yeah sure meanwhile a meal meanwhile a meal was driving on archwood street so he's in the car now good driving in full body

armor looking normal and he's made a decision to abandon the chevrolet celebrity and carjack another vehicle because the Chevy had two flat tires and a windshield completely riddled with bullets and he didn't like how the spray paint looked i i can't i can't believe that that car wasn't working yeah it's shocking a meal block i can't believe he's driving the fuck like what were the cops like oh shit a meal blocked a red ford tempo and fired at the driver the car and driver got away a meal then came across a group of cars and confronted an aerospace engineer named bill marr who had been trying to drive his to his workplace at the van eyes airport in his 1963 jeep Cherokee pickup truck i remember this shit it's a fucking awesome car yeah it's like an

orange truck right it's like a it's yeah yellowish rath yeah but it's an awesome fuck yeah 63 Cherokee pickup that's a fucking awesome car so but the bill marr had been rerouted to archwood street because of a police blockade from the shootout what oh fuck i gotta go this way yeah he's like should have probably just gone the other way a meal shot at marr wounding him and forcing him to flee on foot marr ran to the house of a 69 year old dora libginski who thought he was an intruder and called police perfect for this reason for hours after it all ended police thought there were a lot more robbers and locked down the area and oh just because of because the third guy popped up and they were like there's more guys poor poor fucking bill yeah meanwhile a meal grabbed a

bushmaster xm 15 e2s dissipator semi-automatic rifle from the trunk of the Chevy he saw cops closing and got in marr's jeep and tried to get it started but the problem was the jeep was a stick shift oh and a meal didn't know how to drive a stick uh he got out and get back in here teach me how to drive stick before i take off do i pressed do i press the brake or the what's this third panel i am actually starting to feel what you're talking about that acceleration point where i need to remove my foot off the clutch a little bit there that's interesting okay wife i oh i'm sorry the cops have just shot me in the neck so that's probably the end of the today's tutorial that was bad i don't know tits do i a meal got out of the jeep and took position behind it another

swat team arrived and fired at a meal with air 15 assault rifles for two and a half minutes they then noticed that a meal wasn't wearing any armor on his legs and fired under the vehicle hitting him over 20 times in the legs a meal fell and gave up when officers this is a hard one to read oh boy when officers surrounded him he called himself pete okay okay so the full time for ali's we're past ali aside it's so gone when you keep getting away with saying your name is pete yeah my name is pete any difference at this point and the first and like the first thing you're gonna do is introduce yourself anyway even if you weren't lying hello i am pete i feel i feel bad that we

did all that without knowing each other my name is pete i like long walks what do you guys like how are you uh so i'm pete i'm not the guy you know it's crazy i think there's a third guy but i'm not him my name is pete i wasn't i wasn't here my legs yeah they're bleeding my name is pete he taunted them to kill him can pete kill peter kill kill pete kill peter you like pete shoot the pete in the tits it's 10 a.m a meal slowly bled to death on the street strangely it took 70 minutes for the ambulance to arrive traffic isn't that weird traffic it's yeah it's really hard to get traffic ambulance and they shut a lot of streets down because of a problem right yeah yeah so they couldn't get there you can't get there irony they were looking for a

guy irony they were yeah uh we're sorry about that he died from excessive blood loss due to two gun shot wounds in his left thigh 11 police officers slow bleed out that is a very slow battle they just thought i needed a shot a bunch of fucking cops like oh yeah that's what happens i get it yeah his family actually sued afterwards and then and then it was a hung jury and the lawyers were like no one's gonna give anybody they were like our son peter pete we called him pete pete pete 11 police officers were injured as were six civilians 2000 rounds have been fired between the police officers and robbers can i just say 2000 rounds okay yeah now the sla one was 9000 rounds so of the one we saw on tv oh yeah we all watched there was a 44 minute shootout which

hollywood with the meal and larry the other one was 7 000 more rounds and and and the one in north hollywood i mean it really it was it was non stop firing well there's there's a there's documentaries on it you can watch the documentary called 44 minutes i think three cops who were involved that day later took their lives wow interesting right crazy i would imagine really yeah i would imagine so yeah imagine if you're getting shot yeah we see your buddies get shot again you're being terrorized for a half an hour by what is essentially michael mayers in in with a fucking gun like it's crazy and that would so fuck with your head i just think it's it's it is a good thing we take care of the veterans i agree after this incident police and slot teams around the country began to load

up on weapons particularly la pd seven months after the incident the department of defense gave 600 surplus m 16s to the la pd which were issued to each patrol sergeant la pd patrol vehicles now carry ar 15s as standard issue with bullet resistant kevlar plating in their doors as well after the shootout police went to valerys villa to search for clues about a meal and to find out why he made it right pete sorry they found a woman with down syndrome georgia mayo trapped in a room with boarded up windows an open bucket for a toilet and a padlock securing the door wow she had a woman she had a mentally disabled woman locked in a jail she had boarded up all the windows and was having her piss in a bucket so she could get her social security checks oh my god

that's so it was a decade after she had lost her license to run oh my god that woman been in there for no she wasn't one of they'd taken all the women out but she'd gotten another woman and put her in there oh my god third another woman she was re receiving the social security checks for and they had no idea where that woman was and it turned out that woman had gone to mexico but what okay so i was so we're just sending one on a holiday and putting the other one in the house jail yeah cool so this is what i'll say the whole thing all of it was just to save georgia mayo the mentally disabled woman yeah that's that's what the tale is at the end it's all about saving a woman who's jailed in valerys

villa i mean that's the a good thing that came out of it that is what i'm saying well that was an hour and a half was it really but that's a crazy story right now you know now you know who they are no i it's very dark and gratifying to hear the story with those guys it's crazy yeah because that really was when it was when it was i mean it was like you just had never seen anything like that you'd never seen in the broad daylight yeah people shooting at two michelin men who were bulletproof yeah that's basically what it was and it was crazy and anybody who was interested in this you can watch the i think it's on netflix 44 minutes or at least it's on like youtube now yeah you can just go and it's insane yeah it's completely insane wow all right well let's end it yep okay wow our name