The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 433 - Timothy Leary - Part 1

Episode Date: June 10, 2020

Comedians Gareth Reynolds and Dave Anthony examine the life of LSD man Timothy Leary.SourcesTour DatesRedBubble Merch

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doing my intro David I'm like right now David I came in hot Dave great start but I think we're I think it's time I think it's time for a poll it I don't know I think it's time for reverse dollop a poll it poll it dollop backwards reverse dollop so if I may you're listening to the dollop this is a by weekly history podcast where each week I Gareth Reynolds Comer of cats massage drill gun owner push-up doer reads a story a two-part story from American history to my friend Dave Anthony who does not know what the story is going to be about close close you're close nice try dairy would you say something about push-ups

yeah what is that what is that's not even a thing push-ups are a thing Jack Lane come on no but it's not a thing that you say that's you're really playing my part well huh don't you think you should tell me this is reverse dollop before I wrote a dollop hey why do you always spring this on me the last second funny is it if we became so fake like like that theatrical like sorry Dave I'm jumping in again I'm a wild time I could see it happening yeah you know where that where that Lane mm-hmm and called it quote his jam patch I'm the fucking hippo guy okay my name is Gary my name is Gary wait is it for fun and this is not gonna come particularly

quite good okay now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments is October 22nd 1920 oh my god look at you you're all grown up I'm nervous mr. Timothy Francis Leary was born in Springfield Massachusetts wow Tim's father but you know I gotta be honest I gotta be honest right away this is a subject that I've never cared about nor really I worry there's gonna be some stuff okay well let's see let's see that's great no no no it's probably super interesting I'm just saying this is literally one of the things that I just don't pay attention well then sit back and keep your pants on okay I'm gonna sit

back Tim's father was a dentist nicknamed tote with a real penchant for drinking sir and for some reason you have a question already no okay okay yep tote that's right like the bag so he had a pension for drinking for so for some reason this resulted in a strained relationship with Tim Dave I don't know if you would have any idea what that's like but no I don't know what your father drinking all the time it could have any sort of effect on your love or your life right that's what I was that's the stab I wanted to pick so so his dad was erratic like during dinner he would invite the dog onto the table to

eat off the plates or he would do that he would do that table called tablecloth yank trick but instead of doing the trick where all the stuff would stay still he would just ruin the meal in the dishes tote drink did he do this on more than one occasion yeah clearly yes yes yes clearly there are multiple occasions he's having the dog up it's gonna work this time that is the best time for an alakazam so tote drank so much he sold all of his dental equipment for booze then oh and you know what that's gonna hurt is the dental it didn't affect the business from what I read the business was not affected by the decision okay then on

Christmas Day in 1933 Tim's grandfather who once told Tim find your own way be one of a kind died and at the will reading Tim was outside playing baseball alone which now that I read it does not sound like baseball totally just the kid with a ball so tote came out he gave Tim a hundred dollars he gave his mother Abigail a thousand dollars and then he said he had quote business in New York and left Tim wouldn't see his father again for 23 years at the funeral he bailed at his greatest at his own father's funeral he gave out $1,100 to his wife and child and then he said I got business in New York and then that

was it well now that my dad's dead there's no reason to stick around here family dad's are dying today you know be great for you right now another huge loss Alakazam oh god he's Alakazam like Tim's mother was very religious so in 1938 Tim went to study at Holy Cross he hated it he applied and got into West Point there he was yelled at a lot more than most Tim had given the other cadets alcohol at one time and he had lied about it so he was asked to resign he declined and he was silenced which is where you're completely ignored by fellow cadets completely so they treat him like a ghost after ten months of this

he finally caved in oh my god that's what they that's what they do the good cops interesting well there's a and that's working out fantastically so there's no issue there so next Tim applied to every state school he applied to the University of Alabama which was the first one to accept him so he went there he found his first girlfriend named Betty Harlow who Tim said quote love to fuck he had oh so there you go he had I got it I gotta be honest I've had girlfriends this is the best kind yeah he thinks there you go you should go to you should go there so he had good grades but he was expelled when he was

caught sneaking into Betty's room for a quote oral copulation aka mouth fucking now what's he gonna was she gonna was he gonna fuck her mouth or was he gonna do some business with Dave I didn't I wanted to get into that part but it just it's hard to find it's hard to find in my can I see what I pictured I pictured I pictured a trade I pictured one of each I pictured a veg and then a mouth to peen medically yeah yeah and then and then maybe you can sneak into the other room and do a little mouth-to-ass you gotta go next door though you know how these rooms are you've been to the University of Alabama obviously you

know they have the ass eating way and this is the oral copulation building excuse me sir you should not be eating ass in here sir sorry that's a that's a freshman right there so I didn't notice a sign on the door well you learn the campus layout no time yeah no you'll see look I most people in here or oral copulate by the way I'll catch you cop you later I gotta get out of here I'm the Dean all righty so I'm gonna wipe this ass off my mouth and head over to the next make sure it's the right one so he so he got kicked out so that made Tim eligible for the draft but a case of bronchitis left him deaf in one ear so

he was able to avoid combat what that's a thing yes yeah this is it doesn't sound like bronchitis that sounds like a ear problem but I mean don't you think you could in my head what I picture is he coughed his ear out but that's probably stupid but it's like a pocket like I don't know but anyway he coughed himself so he was able to avoid combat through coughing which is great he got a job at a hospital for the death there he met Mary Ann Bush with whom he experienced quote the most wondrous human pleasure all out fucking for fusion secure and safe in our very own bed end quote God bless him and her name is

perfect Bush thank you David they were married April 14th 1945 so when World War two ended there was a major need for clinical psychologists so the government for funding poured in which allowed Tim to enroll in the doctoral program at Berkeley so Tim got his PhD and his master's from Washington State and then he began publishing papers and he also got his wife pregnant from so much fucking for fusion and then on September 25th 1947 Mary Ann gave birth to their first child Susan October 19th 1949 they added a son named Jack okay so you got a little family cooking right yeah it's all this sounds like a just

sounds like a wonderful wonderful part so Mary Ann was extremely disturbed by the threat of nuclear war she lived in constant fear so in 1952 when Tim got a research grant he moved the family to Spain there he would write papers and hopefully Mary Ann would feel a little less stressed then yeah why is there not gonna is nuclear war not gonna harm Spain like how dumb is how dumb is Mary well I mean it's one of those things you know it's like I don't you know it's like I mean it's like putting a blanket over a canary cage if they believe it why break it why shatter it you know okay so you're comparing a grown woman to

canary I'm comparing illusion that is gender and speculus sir good Lord so when when they returned from Spain to the states Tim was much more motivated than he was before he wanted to make a name for himself got to work on his first book but Tim had some real tote in it when it came to alcohol Tim drank heavily he also began an affair with a married co-worker named Mary Chiapa which is definitely how oh my god how hard was that what Mary Mary what a no Mary Mary Mary in so you've got so I know but Mary and me it's still Mary and Mary well it's still I was going not if you're

not a fair you don't have it like I'm gonna start with a podcast I'm not gonna start with a guy named Gareth well that's Ron the nose I mean that would be I would take some real even if it was Gary at this point I feel like I have some sort of intellectual property over that I would be like you know I had a great time fucking Mary the other night and Mary's like yeah and then you're like oh yeah I mean yeah no like when you're getting confronted you're like I love you Mary and duh I want to have some coconut so this the affair that Mary Ann found out about with Mary drove her mad Tim encouraged her to play

the field then on October 21st 1955 the night before Tim's 35th birthday Tim and Mary Ann had some martinis and went to a dinner party when they came back Mary was there to say happy birthday to Tim which upset Mary Ann greatly the next day Tim woke up why I'm not sure what her deal was but the next day Tim woke up very territorial the next day Tim woke up smelled fumes went down to the garage where he found Mary Ann dead behind the wheel of their running car so so she really she was actually really upset she was very from by all readings very depressed and he was not very you know sensitive in any way to any of that you

know yeah well it's because alcoholics find Allen on stood marriage and they are all parents well and he also went right back to work the next week so there you go well you know what you got to get back on the horse hurry up how's the weekend Tim like ah so Tim was not a great father he did lost one of lost one of the Mary's anyway so he didn't know how to raise the kids on his own so he moved Mary in not long after Mary Ann's death and he and Mary were married under a year later so wow wow so he was never really into he was never really into the first one all that much yeah there you'll see there's

a pattern with Tim Leary in love I feel like there was I feel like there's a little bit more to it than just the other Mary was there and she upset like he might have been you know yeah dropping some I think he definitely was I mean she you know she was like depressed and he was like hey play the field you know she was like cool thanks honey that's awesome he's like get out there there's a lot of single guys out there so they were married under a year later and then by May of 1957 his new marriage with Mary was already on shaky ground see Tim hadn't gotten all of his fucking by fusion out of his system he was still

sleeping around on his new second wife so that same year Tim yes yes he cheats I mean yeah he cheats he cheats he's a cheater you know you got to know that going in if you're cheating with a guy and he marries he and he's married and then and then you become the new wife odds are he's gonna cheat on you too I agree with that and then I also never understand why people get married with there like that I'm just never I never yeah I was just like well why do it yeah don't understand I mean I don't I mean it's not never ending fear of the man who lives in the clouds and judges every one of our actions with his big long

gray beard but still I don't want to get everyone together to be like yeah for sure never I love you so much they'll be like hey what's it yeah or just you know you can talk about ahead of time go look I would like to do an open I like to play baseball by myself if you know what I'm saying look I grew up just outside of the ass eating door the demerit for you so it came to a peaceful end which considering how his first marriage ended was a huge success now Tim oh that's what didn't die it's a upgrade so Tim got his kids he headed back to Spain on a boat with a

stewardess that he'd met but she left him soon after the arrival possibly because he got horribly ill with an unknown disease that left him swollen and covered in blisters and he told it yeah it was going for sure he recovered but he felt quote boredom black depressions flashes of frantic restless anxiety he was lonely on Christmas Eve when he met quote a runaway prostitute from Valencia and unquote took her home quote by New Year's I had the clap and quote and yes his kids were still with him so what yep so it's a good dad so I just thought the clap is a thing we shouldn't write about her if we get it

we should just probably just I let people know when I have it I'm walking around I expect people to clap for my clap well you put a sandwich board on and you cruise around it just as I've got it burns so bad ringing a bell that's bring Tim took the children to Italy there he bumped into an old graduate school classmate named Frank Barron who would change Tim's life Frank told Tim how quote his research had led him to Mexico where he had interviewed a psychiatrist who had been producing visions and trances using the so-called magic mushrooms end quote he also introduced him to David McClellan the

director of the Center of Personality Research at Harvard McClellan decided that Tim was quote just what we needed to shake things up at Harvard and then quote hired him and boy was he right so he goes to Harvard net Harvard Tim begins hanging out with Dick Albert now Dick was a well-liked charming psych teacher with a nice pad he had a Mercedes and a motorbike and he had a Cessna plane that he was learning to fly and he was already a success at 27 so the plane is when you know you're like crushing it yeah like I got the bike I got the car I got the plane needs some kind of water right from watching

your parents yes so in 1960 Tim went to Mexico now on the trip he kept thinking back to his conversation with Frank Barron and those magical mushrooms at this point Tim was a heavy drinker heavy smoker but he'd never tried drugs quote I was a middle-aged hell out what agency he's like 38 ish 38 yeah for what 38 40 somewhere around there so he at this point Tim was a heavy drinker smoker but he'd never tried drugs quote I was a middle-aged man caught in the middle-aged process of dying my joy in life my sensual openness my creativity were all sliding downhill end quote so he went to San Pedro he met a woman named crazy

Juana who had the mushrooms well okay right there this is gonna be an interesting story in the process if crazy if crazies at the beginning of your name this yeah this is but it could also be like the fat guy is named tiny she could be I she could be totally calm okay I mean she has access to the crazy thing so so she has the mushrooms Tim gets him and he described the smell as quote forest damp crumbling logs and New England basement end quote which if you've ever that's exactly accurate description super accurate yeah Tim asked if they were safe she smiled and ate too so I guess maybe the crazy

you might be right but they say well watch me go fucking nuts yeah now mushrooms or psilocybe a cubanesis to botanist had been around for a while the Aztecs called them Teonana Kotel or flesh of the gods but they were mostly unknown in Western culture until 1955 when Life magazine sent our Gordon Watson and a photographer with a guide to the Mexiteco Mountains to find and eat the much how great of an example of just how oblivious the white man is and uncaring and uncurious that that indigenous people are doing mushrooms for that long and you don't find out about it until 1955 actually it's Jesus Christ

it's the first thing you ask someone when you take over is what kind of drugs do you have it it's it really does it does speak to completely like the way that you know our Western culture does shit like where we're just we're not but we don't give a fuck about nature whereas you have played like like people who actually you know want to preserve things and feel like they're part of a system so again eat mushrooms everybody but but so so they so they go to the Mexiteco Mountains they find the mushrooms and they trip their balls off and to your point they were the first white men to ever do so so 1955 for

shut the fuck up how is that possible 1955 if I discovered if I was one of the people discovered wrong word if I was one of the people who came to America early on I would have found mushrooms really early I see but you have to be you can't just be eating wild mushrooms you can't like I did that in Florida with my cousin we well tripped out we thought Dave let me tell you if you know which ones to pick as someone who knows nothing about anything don't eat wild mushrooms they vary you have to go with you have to go with someone who knows that there's a key part that you get to America you get to America you

meet some indigenous people you go so what are you guys holding what do you guys got that's the first question you should ask not is there Harry hold or how are you guys surviving first question are you holding Harry holding around here is anyone seen Harry Holden Harry Holden anyone get eyes on Harry Holden so so he gets the mushrooms right and he and a few a few eager friends first eat the shrooms they decide that two people will stay sober one of them because she was pregnant and the other because it was a man known as whiskers who was prone to fits of nervous laughter so they didn't

so she didn't want to take it in a whiskers right now okay so here I just want to put a suggestion out there can we follow whiskers for the rest of the story I have really tough news but let's let the process break out but if if you don't hear from whiskers again just know that you had a great moment with him Jesus Christ the guy's names of whiskers now that story follows whiskers sorry buddy so for leery's made a trip it began with laughter of his own not whiskers laughter but laughter is on lots of it soon after the euphoria Tim told the sober parties quote you may have six psychotic nuts on your hands I think you

should send the kids downtown to the movies and the maid to get her out of here and for God's sakes keep an eye on this and yes his kids were still with him yeah so Tim would later say of the trip quote it was the classic visionary voyage and I came back a changed man you are never the same after you've had the veil drawn and quote okay so let's just stop right there and say that is 100% true if you have never done mushrooms you do not see the world the same way as people who have done I also think taking something like that when there's very few people to tell you what it is so crazy you know yeah so leery said of the trip

that he learned more about the mind in those four hours than he did in the entire time in school so Tim now do what he wanted to do he wanted people to feel this freedom that he had felt so he made such a compelling case yes good he's gonna be a mushroom mushroom right now he's a mushroom so he told David McClelland the guy from Harvard and he approved what would be known as the Harvard psilocybin project which is just great to hear so McClelland yeah McClelland asked him to write up a proposal so Tim did the purpose was to quote determine the conditions under which psilocybin can

be used to broaden and deepen human experience which persons are benefited by the drug and in which direction and the methods of making the beneficial effects durable and recoverable without subsequent exposure to the chemical so that's a mission statement for saying I want to let everybody trip yeah you know this is I've done that same mission so I get it when I wrote to my mother when she found out I'd taken mushrooms I was like mother you don't understand okay I've tried to determine the conditions under which psilocybin can be used to broaden and deepen the human experience so I should have said that to my mom when she

found my bag of mushrooms but I just said that's that's something from school I thought they looked cool and she bought that don't eat them and now Tim was not the first Harvard professor interested in altering his consciousness in the 1890s William James explained why he loved nitrous oxide saying quote it's stimulated the mystical consciousness and to an extraordinary degree but McClellan which is true too McClellan gave that it's not it's not it's not nearly the same thing so McClellan gave them the okay with a three-year research project now Tim's plan three years to three years to do mushrooms well three

years three years to work to find out the effects of mushrooms but yes okay let me let me let me answer let me change what you just said I'm gonna change what you just said a little bit three years to do actually hearing it back you're right so they get a they get a three-year mushroom research project contract we signed three years with mushrooms we're gonna through your deal it's pretty cool so Tim's plan was to prick what are you guys doing we're working on the effects of war intense war on the human mind and how it how it really debilitates people what are you guys we're drawing a face on Ted's hand

because it might be God oh okay have you ever had an orange it's the best no what yeah I mean I've had an orange all right okay I'm gonna go back to my lab because you guys are a little we have so in order to procure the psilocybin he had to go to the he had to send a letter to the Sandus Labs in Switzerland so Tim writes this fancy letter on Harvard Stationary and he started what a suit what do you assume to be a lengthy process they immediately sent back a big bottle of synthesized psilocybin that read quote psilocybin research material caution federal law prohibits distributing without prescription and

quote and inside we're tiny little pink pills that kind of look like little pepto pills right and this was from Switzerland this was it was processed in Switzerland yeah it was synthesized and since it's okay psilocybin which is the active ingredient in my so they so they took psilocybin and then they created a pharmaceutical so correct yes it's quite a time in American history so when Dick finally joined Tim it was time for him to have a taste Dick Alpert he had missed the first Mexico trip almost crashing his chest now on the way down so on the night of the biggest snowstorm of the year Dick took six pills and went deep he

saw himself from the outside and six well I mean it's synthesized psilocybin so I don't even really know it's hard for me to mentally know but six is I mean it's a lot yeah I'm gonna start doing this drug how about your nibble you nibble you know what I always say about drugs you can always take more okay so so he takes six and he goes deep he saw himself from the outside in various incarnations all the jobs that he could have had he thought he lost his body he looked down to reassure himself only to find there was no body so when he finally comes out he says he says he felt at peace with himself like he never had

before quote until that moment I was trying to be a good boy looking at myself through other people's eyes that night for the first time I felt good inside it was okay to be me end quote and dick was on such a rush that he raced over to his parents place who lived in the city to shovel snow out of the driveway at 5 a.m. his father comes out pissed and he's like go to bed you idiot that's a quote and he shouted and dick just smiled shoveled and told his mother that he loved her so that's that's exactly that's exactly what mushrooms are that's you described it to a tee a guy's like what the fuck are you doing you're like I love you man and

I love your energy yeah I'm gonna be done with this snow in a year I'm snorting it yeah stop doing that so for the for the Harvard sessions Leary made sure that everything was just right he especially prepared supportive settings he thought set and setting was key he preached that always the set and setting has to be right he would pass out the pills then he would walk around to check in on people make sure they were okay he would chew away his kids yes his kids are still with him and around hanging out to get dead well what else are you gonna do the their mom killed them well and he was a replacement mother isn't

there but so so word about the sessions start going around Harvard and everybody wants in which so I mean yeah so I mean yeah so undergrads were forbidden from partaking that was a rule so they started with a group of 38 Tim and Dick would take it as well for the session and then when they were done Tim would request a description of their trip like what did you expect how did it live up to your expectations and 95% of the 167 participants said it improved their lives for the better many similar takeaways they felt their barriers to drop down they felt a welcome sense of oneness stuff like that but at this time

Tim also starts using the pills for social gatherings and home with his friends and other professors he's getting like he can get limitless supplies of these pretty much because eventually there's a lab that's a lot closer and so they sand those labs they can just like drive there and just they can just get as much they want it's basically they're writing their own scripts for for suicide and but I don't know if you've ever done mushrooms for like five days in a row but they have it has less effect it really starts to peter out if you keep doing yes well you know to go against my earlier recommendation there is the

other phrase which is you can always take more so counterpointing myself there so in 1961 Tim and Dick began working with the Concord State Prison to see what psilocybin would do to recidivism rates yeah oh my god this is what they should be doing I give all the prisoners mushrooms yes so okay so the prisons Dr. Madison Presnell was opposed Tim asked Presnell the first black psychiatrist he'd ever met to come over with his wife some time and have some and Presnell did have some now Presnell said quote when I close my eyes I travel and quote and that David yeah that is why it's called the trip or tripping

because of when he said that is that really so so this is this is the warden of the this is more like the prison psychiatrist like in-house and but he has but he has control over whether or not they're gonna take it the prison psychologist he has control over whether Dick and Tim can come into the prison and get he's he's basically like saying no I don't think this is a good idea once it's proposed and so Tim's like well you know why don't you try it and see if you think it's a good idea so he the guy takes it he says that he's like holy shit and then literally the next week he's like all right let me help you pick

some of the volunteers for this experiment so he's like he's turned around immediately but yeah he came up with why you call it tripping so then on March 27th 1961 it starts Tim gives 20 milligrams of psilocybin to three different prisoners Tim himself took 16 you know little for the doctor and it didn't do much until they're in the room and it's awkward and Tim opens up and he says that he's afraid of them and then the prisoners admit that they felt the same way about Tim and then they all start laughing and then they have a much better time and then so they repeat the experiment and it was not without some

problems like in some sessions hardened well in some sessions hardened criminals would end up like blubbering wrecks or releasing emotions they never knew they had and like seeing other prisoners in positions they never thought they'd see him like hardened guys there were some setbacks like when this one bank robber became convinced that they'd given him truth serum to force him to admit to his other unknown crimes but but eventually eventually after he tried after he tried to kill one of the students they talked him down calmed him down convinced them that they'd not given him truth serum and the dude chilled

out yeah but we've all been there on a shrimp trip as you think that it's I've often tried to kill people because they don't know about my thought crimes without question yeah yeah that's a 90s so two years later when Tim publishes his findings from the Concord prison experiment he said that 73% of the group who had been released were still out so that is quite a good number however that's however a report years later said that quote leery leery's report of a dramatic treatment effect was the result of a misleading use of the data whatever his motivations leery's misleading report about the success of

the Concord prison experiment serve as an object lesson in what not to repeat so okay so I'm still gonna go with the 73% you know why cuz that that sentence you said was super complicated and long and I prefer the 73 this is America and you're allowed to believe that that's right facts there bro you're welcome but yeah why the fuck not it's called freedom it was negligible and there was like there was like there there wasn't a difference but they said it was pretty negligible but and they also said that like if you're gonna check up on someone on the outside after prison hold on hold on okay so yeah so so essentially like

the numbers the numbers he reported were obviously inflated but there was also you know it's hard to calculate because if you do an experiment like that you're going to have more care towards someone on the outside and that potentially affects the recidivism as well sure it's hard to tell but anyway I still think a great idea and much better than just you know he also the environment the environment isn't great either because you're in a prison so it's kind of a dark place first time I did shrooms I was on death oh that's cool and I dude and it was how great we were laughing so how about this your last meal you're like I

just want a big bowl of magic mushrooms oh my god I want to go out tripping out of my fucking mind yes why not so I I just I just can't get out of my head like they're tripping in a prison yeah I mean he tried to do what he could to make it like comforting but yeah you're dealing with cell walls I mean so it's kind of yeah yeah that's not a great environment they don't people don't recommend well okay so to counter that and they did the Good Friday experiment where they gave psilocybin to 30 seminary students to see if the psilocybin could add to a quote authentic religious experience so and they all killed each

other you're not allowed to finish this so so would the setting with the light in the stained glass windows the figurines all that religious stuff with that influenced the trip and it started out okay and it went pretty well and there were some breakthroughs until one subject escaped and ran down Commonwealth Avenue yelling that it was the dawn of the messianic age and a thousand years of peace were coming and he was like shouting that it's stranger so they grabbed him and then they calmed him down with a nice shot of Thorazine and everybody was happy but others felt impacted by the setting as well there

is a confirmed there's one guy who I was reading about who wasn't sure if you want to become a reverend or not but after that experience he was like I'm 100 percent and he's still a reverend to this day but it wasn't all work anything but right like I was saying before Tim and Dick had these magic pills and the people are starting to talk hey hold on based on what you've described so far it really isn't work at all it's if you going to different places and tripping with people well but but he is doing he is doing well the part of the reason that he would take the pills like in the prison he said was because he didn't

want them to think he was drugging him he wanted to be like you can trust me which I get but I also well you say that but he's also super into it but he's not like he was also trying to help these he definitely is trying to see what this does to people's consciousness does this alleviate their stress and you know like I said before a lot of people are saying that so yes but he is for sure on the other side outside of there he's handing him out like their tic-tacs and he's going nuts right like he's having parties and he's yeah so so so Tim and Dick had the magic pills right and so the parties are just getting kind of

crazy like professors are coming over famous people like Maynard Ferguson the jazz trumpet here Alan Gidsburg Jack Kerouac they're coming over and they're you know they're tripping and the core group of people who are kind of surrounding Leary at Harvard they kind of form this bond in this group so when the summer rolls around they all thought that they would just head to Mexico and bring along a new experimental substance called LSD which they also were getting from the Sando's lab Sando's they have yes yeah they would just what's going on what's going on with the guys making those drugs what's going on in

that lab well what's the party like well okay so so Leary and Dick had learned of LSD's effect when it was given to them by this British researcher but Tim was hesitant to try them at first now they already felt like they were kind of under pressure at the school because they're kind of watching them and they know that Harvard's not happy plus LSD already had a bad reputation as it was used for the CIA in the CIA program the MK Ultra project but that's another dollar for another day David but Tim tried LSD for the first time and after it he didn't speak up he didn't speak for five days so he takes out he doesn't

speak for five days but then it's the as soon as he starts speaking he gives it the green light and he's like yes we should be using this now acid David let's talk about acid okay yes acid when lysergic acid diethylamide had been around for a while over a decade earlier in 1936 a young lab tech named Albert Hoffman first synthesized LSD while he was working at Santos there's that name again so he works at Santos and what he's doing is he's studying a rye fungus called air gut which could cause convulsions fever hallucinations kill thousands of people wiping out whole towns over history there's tons of

examples of it we've actually we've actually discussed it previously on this podcast what did we discuss it that is in reference yes so it came up during the that's what I had here to Norway so a lot of the witches of Norway were actually just people who are poisoned by that and then they started jibbering and talking about crazy stuff and that people like which and it's like much that person just had a little poison yeah and it would very it would vary and what I was reading it would vary and like some people would have like really bad convulsions but then other they would go to towns and like people would just be

naked and dancing and they'd be like oh my god yes it's 100% all over the place sometimes your limbs fire they say what caused by air got and all that stuff so yeah so so basically so he's working on that right off of this rye tripping stuff so naturally Albert made a few different compounds and he made a few different lysergic acid compounds and on his 25th and final attempt he had made lsd 25 but nobody cared so it sat on a shelf for five years yeah nobody gives a shit what does that mean nobody cares I mean nobody tried it or it just he just finished it means that yeah it essentially means he finished it and

there was actually no real clinical use for it that was known I mean he didn't really know what he was making at the time necessarily like you're not like he's not like coming up with this and then also you know what I mean like yeah yeah and Pink Floyd's not around either there's a planet there's no planet there's no planetarium that's exactly right but he believes in it right so on a hunch he's like I'm gonna study again so he's he's working with it in the lab a little he's usually very tidy but he gets a drop around 20 micrograms on his skin and he thought he felt something but he wasn't sure right like he was like he

felt weird but he wasn't sure but then he's like thinking about it he's like I think it's from the lsd so on April 19th 1943 at 4 20 p.m. he asked his assistant to watch him ingest lsd so he dilutes 250 micrograms of crystal in 10 ccs of water and he notices that it's tasteless quote tasteless at 5 p.m. he has an update in his notes quote beginning dizziness feeling of anxiety visual distortions symptoms of paralysis desire to laugh end quote and that is the laugh of the journal entries yeah one time I was on I was on acid and I used to write stuff for the school paper and I was and there was an one of the school

paper editors was like you're on acid right now come over to my house and write a story and then he sits me in front of his computer I start writing and I get about a paragraph and he's like yeah it's like never yeah exactly it's never gonna be like that's that's a good idea for like 10 minutes yeah so he's like you've got to take copious notes and then like his last thing is like I have a desire to laugh burn the notebook burn the notes my last word is wow 31 o's so he so he's the first person to ever take lsd but his day is just beginning so he suddenly says this is the guy who discovered a new world it's that he it's

the wrong the wrong application of the term to Columbus this guy discovered a new he uninhabited to so so he rushes out he's like I gotta go he leaves he rushes to get home he's very freaked out as a assistant is following him and he gets on his bike and what happens next is a bike ride for the ages David he sees quote kaleidoscopic fantastic images surged in on me alternating variegated opening and then closing themselves in circles and spirals exploding in colored fountains rearranging and hybridizing themselves in constant flux and quote so when he gets home his assistant is with him Albert

is 100% he's dying he he's assistant is trying to calm him down does not work quote a demon had invaded me had taken possession of my body mind and soul I jumped and screamed trying to free myself from him but then sank down again and lay helpless on the sofa the substance which I had wanted to experiment had vanquished me yeah yes I've had this trip also that's one of the ones but this is the first but this would so it's the first guy ever so it's just like he's like it's not like someone's like hey man you're having a bad trip someone's like no you are dying you are absolutely dying you're

dying fast oh no it's having to you like well this is forever and he took it so he's like I will forever be fighting like I killed myself so the assistant calls a doctor the doctor goes next door he gets Albert two liters of milk that Albert crushed he just pounds milk on acid and then the next morning after all this Albert woke up and while he felt physically tired he felt alert and his breakfast for some reason tasted better and the colors twinkled more because he would he was still tripping and that's David is also why April 19th is International Bike Day for Albert Hoffman's bike ride wait what April 19th

day he took that trip bike ride is an international bike day because of his wild and the government sanctioned that the United States government as officially I mean have they say now we had a hard time getting them have they sanctioned every I I do not think it's America I don't think it's sanctioned here it's worldwide but you can celebrate it in any way that you choose Dave I know Lindsey Graham is still trying to get that past yeah he's big a big proponent of that for a while yeah so Hoffman's discovery held much in store for Leary right Tim and Dick started the International Federation of

Internal Freedom or I F I F or as I'd like to say if if and they started a new research facility it would be a 36 room Catalina Hotel in Zihuataneo, Mexico oh my god it's like little dumb dumb that's where I want to go I want to is it still there you're gonna have a tough time see hundreds of people applied 36 were chosen as guests and here they could get away with all the stress all the stress from Harvard and they could take their psychedelics in peace now just very quickly the term psychedelic comes from the Greek psyche deluxe translated to mind manifesting right but this hotel is fully isolated and it

felt like it was you know it felt like research but it was also total madness you've got waves of hippies showing up trying to get in the mix people are doing drugs having sex going to the beach having sex openly smoking weed having more sex and yes Dave to answer your question his kids were still with him right now I can ask you another question is there any sex I didn't see any of that but I wouldn't surprise me I don't know sorry so much sex yes no that I'm looking back a lot of tremendous amount of course I used to go I used to go to an ass-eating hotel there and sir top floor I'm sorry bottom floor

so so they've just like they're just running a clinic at this hotel and the federales take notice right the federales want them out as did the newspapers and then there's a headline in a newspaper one day that says quote Harvard drug orgy blamed for decomposing body which was not true you know what but that happens it's I mean also that's it like well they knew that they wanted them to leave so they see that headline and they're all like you know what we should probably we should go we should go should we go let's go and so they leave no I wouldn't want they want they didn't see I stay even though there's a

decomposing body or if it's just a lie it's fake news so you're saying it's fake news the decomposing I don't doubt that a body was decomposing but I don't think their orgy is to blame for it unless it was unless it was well how hard we're gonna say how hard was the penis were they fucking how hard were they fucking no I know the penis is hard that's a crazy thing to say for the conversation we're having you know that right I know the penis is hard so well and it's also partially it's also partially that it's summer so they're just there for the summer so they do have to go back to Harvard right oh well

if there's bodies all over the place in the summer in Mexico have created your own fake news sir you may as well go to OAN with that story get over to OAN it's also a hilarious thing to say with the currency but go ahead so Harvard began to monitor Dick and Tim right so rumors of them recreationally taking the drugs with students started to swirl faculty heard the Tim like outside of the research faculty had heard that Tim had been telling some of his student assistants if they weren't willing to try the drug maybe they weren't open to doing this line of work after all you know so well he's right he's right

potentially yes but it's so early in the process that you know Harvard is like hey don't force kids to take your big pills dude I would say after the first time that he tripped it is no longer early in the process after after the bike ride I'd say we're past that that was the that was the stargate but it's other stuff too also complicating the situation was Dick's decision to take pills with an undergrad and which again was not allowed so on February 20th 1962 the Harvard Crimson broke the story about all this that kind of opened the debate on campus and then in March they called a meeting with Dick and Tim and a

bunch of the faculty and the students were allowed to come and they just kept insisting that LSD you know was pretty imperative that their work was justified and you know Tim's being charming the whole time Dick explained that when he gave it to this undergrad he gave it to him as a friend not as a teacher for some reason that wasn't good enough they didn't look man this student is my buddy right yeah yeah yeah it's like a copy like no it wasn't a cop then I was a guy just a guy so so yeah so that excuse didn't fly and the Crimson article accelerated the crisis because local newspapers started writing about

it and the New York Times picked up the article so now most people in America have not heard of anything like this and now they're just reading about like kids taking hallucinogens at Harvard and no one was really sure what the hell Tim Leary was doing anymore Al this Huxley succinctly put it by saying quote I'm very fond of Tim but why oh why does he have to be such an ass end quote so the guys spread the party around everyone now now now this one America is just a party bummer where someone's having fun and they got to fuck it all up well good Lord I mean we if we're party bummers here I mean we've become

narks good Lord yeah we do so so the outcome was that dick was fired and funding for the project was yanked but Tim was now beginning to wonder what was the ceiling on all of this he began to envision leading a psychedelic revolution that would you know turn into some kind of spiritual awakening all by just taking LSD and while dick had been fired Tim technically was not he'd been neutered but not fired so one day David McClellan the man who hired Leary wait what why isn't Tim fired if dick is well dick's fired because he broke the rule dick gave it to an undergrad Tim is still like under contract at Harvard and

they're like well he didn't break any rules like he's we don't agree with his project any longer but we're not gonna fire him I mean you're right like they could have easily just been like both you get out of here but I mean dude they were taking like acid at heart I mean it's just crazy the fact that Harvard was like no you you yeah I agree there's a weird line there for them for whatever reason they just went on an acid fucking trip to Mexico that was break though bro you can do whatever you want on summer break from teachers let loose yeah but it's still hanging out with you're still hanging out with other people from

Harvard you think that that would be oh and I mean right wasn't a grad students there's not all he doesn't take a lot of grad students with him it's really more of like the the teachers and professors and stuff but but when he is like when he is there I mean he's just changing the culture of Harvard psychology department so drastically because these people who have spent their whole lives learning about this stuff are now like holy shit okay so anyway so while dick had been fired Tim technically was not he'd been neutered but David McClelland the guy who hired him one day went to a secretary and asked

where Tim was and she said quote he's gone Tim had headed to LA in March and left the students with a reading list so may as well have been fired that's my boy fuck yes just drop a reading list and go all right man I'm going to so what do you think 30 books you guys that good enough for you guys I guess we good enough if you read them all they're going through them again they're good second time around yeah cycle back but talk about it when I come back from well I'm gonna write a dragon out to California now so Tim and Dick continue to focus on their research right they felt like they just scratched the

surface they're looking for a new spot where they can go and kind of pick up the Mexico stuff but they can't find anywhere well enter Peggy Hitchcock Peggy had been in Mexico with them and had a nebulous love life with Tim over the years but Peggy was also rich real rich as in her parents were the founders of Gulf oil rich right so she just has tons of money and her family owns this property in upstate New York called Millbrook the city of Millbrook the house that they have there is to 2,500 square feet 64 room mansion in a town of no more than 1700 has green lawns has horses and stables it just could not have

been more perfect so Tim rents it from her for $1 a year which is so so I'm not a huge real estate guy but that's a really good I don't I'm not I'm not in a real estate either but I I don't know it to me it's the market it depends what the market's doing is it a bull yeah a bear is it a kitten that's I mean is that even a market there's so many questions it's a lot of questions um so Millbrook starts as an extension of the Mexico trip core group picked up right where they left off but now they're even looser right so they would all trip together once a week they would trip outside of that too but once a week they

would all trip together and spouses were swapped like passing a dish at dinner Tim slept with most of the women at Millbrook and whoever he was dating would sleep with the men or the men would sleep with the men or the women with the women or everybody together whatever sexual fluidity on every level right and okay you're I can tell you're into it because one of your hands dropped out of frame it's not an accusation it's an it's a comment it's fine I don't mind you doing that I'm sexy I don't mind you doing that I'm sexy I don't mind you doing that so okay so they're running Millbrook you have a question or you just

want to show me your other hand okay no I'm just I got it sure you're doing the alright artists and philosophers from all around come over there to trip they want to study they seek breakthroughs at Millbrook had many animals they had dogs cats art barks they eventually got a monkey right who was eventually allowed to pretty much do whatever he wanted and maybe drowned but either way was he what's he dosing was the monkey Dave I swear to God I would if I had to bet I would bet that the monkey had done acid hundred percent I would be absolutely and I would and I would possibly I would put it like 50-50 that someone does the

armadillo armadillo's little hellscape yeah I mean a lot of those animals he gets on a bike armadillo just gets on a bike it was an art bark but still let's have fun so but still their goal remains right they want to change the world they want to create a utopia and of course have sex which they're doing when they get bored they would try to escalate or change up the experiments they were doing again they are still perceiving this like clinically in but it's becoming so weird but they are still like we're discovering something we're doing stuff you know yeah no no they're they're saying that but it's

just a it's just a fuck party with dress some point it would be nice to get a microscope involved in some of the study so so they start to change it up right so that leads to on Sunday nights they will pick two random names out of a hat and then those two people will go off to the meditation house aka the bowling alley for a week alone and there you will form a bond with this other person you'll take tons of acid you'll probably have a lot of sex and but you are but they'll leave like food out front like you are literally not allowed to leave if your name is picked out of that hat okay I'm sorry is it actually

bowling alley it had a bowling alley it was like the place that had a it wasn't like it wasn't like a pickwick okay so just yeah now so when the revolution comes we have to find every house with a bowling alley unless the ones we burn first after we bowl with their heads we've got to do that bit that's a good bit yeah yeah oh my god it's the class and then okay so so then they change it up even more where they go to the third floor experiment now the third floor experiment is basically if you wanted to get super freaky at night you would just go to the third floor there's multiple rooms and you just kind of walk

around and jump in on something but if you go up there this is how you're doing something this and this is how furries were this is exactly thank you very much so Tim over the course of this his cycle his lovers are cycling in and out but when Nina Vaughn Shelburge visited Milbrick for the big July 4th party Tim was smitten they took acid and within three days they were engaged which is I think enough time wow that's actually really fast no I gotta say that's really did you hear me three days they had three days they were engaged and at this day at the same time they say that if you get engaged that's a long

the two to five day span 98% of time that marriage works out exactly thank you exactly thank you okay for a second it sounded like you were being crazy yeah exactly okay but but you both get fucked by about 45 dudes at a bowling alley which is also on call the meditation house bro well I'm calling again there's a lot of learning so they so yeah so they're engaged so then they have their wedding at Milbrook in 1964 there is a large party after where they cut their wedding cake that was made by Dick which had the Hindu deities Shakti and Siva screwing on top of it and then sure yeah it's a regular cake we had that in our

way we will again so Tim and Nina go on their honeymoon they go to India they take acid a lot they fought most of the time and they're divorced within a year but so I guess now that I that I didn't I thought this is gonna be a long and they because what if you if you meet a lady in a bowling alley on acid and and get engaged here in three days that's usually a fucking out of the park like that so it just sounded so horrible like they're just he's just on acid the whole time and she's just like she's just like this is kind of crazy she's like coming out of her haze you know so so yeah so worse than a year so Tim's

honeymoon oh wait sorry so while while Tim was gone Dick was in charge of Milbrook and he's running it but again he's like taking a lot of acid and at one point for three weeks straight dick and a group locked themselves in the meditation house aka the bowling alley and they took over 400 micrograms of LSD every four hours so that's 2400 micrograms a day which is crazy considering an average tab in the 60s had around 200 micrograms on it that's so they're taking fucking so much acid but their tolerance is crazy right but that's still crazy dick would later say about it quote no one would ever believe what

happened in that three weeks in that house including us end quote and one highlight it's just amazing that someone someone was like you know we should do we should take a shitload of this stuff in a very small time they're like there and everyone else is like yeah they're like they're like Jeff Bezos with money like they nobody has this shit really and they just have tons of it so they're just like let's go but yeah I mean obviously like there's very little studying going on at this point but I bet you in their head they're like we're gonna do an experiment where we're gonna just take 2400 micrograms but one of

the highlights from this from the three weeks was dick was jumping out of the second story of the window thinking he could probably fly yes we can chair there yeah that was my fault I'm moved I shouldn't so I apologize outside of a window thinking he can fly and breaks his leg which is stereotypical but but this is the first time I think someone tried to fly on acid maybe yeah and the other thing this is like how are you gonna know if someone can fly or not unless someone tries it dude imagine if you start let's get out imagine if he started flying you'd be like oh my god this took a chance that's right Tim's

honeymoon with Nina had ended and his with dick was next when Tim returned he was upset upset at the state of Millbrook we quote went from a community of scholars and scientists to a playground for rowdy omnisexuals end quote now oh but you know why it's because you introduced it's because you created it yeah it's I it's totally a crazy gripe I think so now dick by default had been raising Tim's kids Jack and Susan and by all accounts was like a better parent than than he was and yes obviously his kids were still with him yeah oh I'm just gonna go on a limb here and say they're all probably really great parents

well dick dick did seem to be doing a good job honestly like he was trying I mean no it's crazy for sure yes for sure I'm not no but he's like crying so so anyway so so Tim because Tim comes back and he sees you know and he accuses dick of trying to seduce his son Jack who's now 15 now up until his point dick openly admitted that he liked young men now more than anyone but both he and Jack when accused of this said that was for sure a bridge too far but Tim truthfully always had an odd take on being gay possibly stemming from Tim being bisexual now dick said he felt that this accusation came from Tim being

quote upset about my homosexual scene unquote so in 1965 dick left Millbrook which is just sad okay there were a lot of variables going on there the whole thing sounds like a bit of a shit show yes was Jack getting laid well I honestly would my guess would be yes yes yeah you know but but everybody is like there's just was Jack was Jack doing acid yes 15 yes he was yes they they when they do we know when he started when they were huh do we know what age he started doing they would start they honestly would give some of them when they were like in Mexico would give their kids acid small doses but super early

like super okay so this is what I've been this I've been talking about that we start a preschool adult preschool how great would it be because it would look like Latter-day Saints but it's LSD's and I'm like that's right you go learn about the Lord you walk into LSD school you're like wait a minute are this is latter Saints day yeah that's right drink your sacrament honey what happened today the ground opened up and I saw the devil and God we're all represented by a oneness of interconnectivity and we're led by a galactic jellyfish of positive love oh my god that says LSD doesn't it oh my god that is egg on my face so yeah

so dick leaves dick leaves Milbrook at 65 so as one relationship ends another begins on May 1st 1965 Tim meets former model turned beatnik Rosemary Woodruff at an art expo and Tim told her that they had been quote married in several thousand forms and quote so her first night at Milbrook when she finally can I just say this is a people have been talking about white privilege but this is a pretty good example very fair to say so her first night at Milbrook Tim and her take acid they sleep together in the meditation house aka the bowling alley and the next day they painted triangles on Milbrook's house to signify a sexual

union so yeah yeah I mean you don't need to tell anybody yeah the first time you fuck a lady you should put three triangles outside that's how you let the neighborhood know that's good news everyone that's right we we've been doing working working we are parking one another as you can see by the three pork triangle look at the job look at mr. Johnson he's been fucking he's got triangles hello Barbara really fucked the shit out of her didn't I whoo look at those triangles I think I might fuck right again later you think they're getting divorced a rhombus that may be the first rhombus Joe bring the

rhombus comedy bro I do Romney anyway I apologize for that last part Tim decided that he and Rosemary now that they're a couple they need to take the kids on a trip together to the Yucatan so on December 22nd 1965 they're on their way to Mexico via Laredo at the Texas border so as they approach Tim like a good dad orders all the grass out the windows so Jack gets rid of his but Susan did not and when they pull up what are the odds the border agent is a Mexican cop who was involved in deporting Tim and the Greek the gang from the hotel Catalina in 63 so the cop recognizes Tim and he's like you're not

allowed to come into Mexico and Tim's like no I can which he can but they're like we'll sort it out tomorrow so he has to go back so in order to go back he's pulling a rare border U-turn so he goes into Mexico to come back through America to make his U-turn but suddenly he realizes oh shit we're going through American customs so with grass so quickly Susan his daughter takes the small amount of pot she had and she puts it in her panties right and then they find that and they find a little like some other marijuana they I like how you just say they find the the pot in the well we don't need to go like that's

just something you just by the way that's like that that's you telling the story and then she puts in her panties and then you cut to and they find in the movie in the movie right you just see the cop go what about your panties and then you cut to outside and they're like they're already arrested like I can't believe they found it they're all arrested and because they found it and they're charged with smuggling marijuana just no because there was actually so they found some more to like Roseberry had a little in like a kid like so they just it was all it was nothing they found like very small I don't remember

exactly how much it was but I think it was like a half ounce total so it's not a ton of grass so they're charged with transporting smuggled marijuana smuggling marijuana and a failure to pay the federal marijuana tax which was the US Act that taxed the sale of cannabis which I tried to kind of figure out what it is and to me all I can say is it sounds like kind of like the medical marijuana system we had for a while where if you carried pot you had to have some sort of you had to pay you had to pay a fee in order to have some cannabis on you but what's just a way to like make it double illegal right yes

right exactly so they get so they essentially get the they get all three of those charges so and the newspapers have a field day because now you know Tim is now obviously known so on March 11th 1966 Tim pled not guilty his defense was that he needed to smoke marijuana for his work and for his religion so at his trial Tim called the Hindu monk who confirmed that Tim had quote been initiated in the banks of the Ganges into a Bengali sect that used ganja as a sacramental aid to meditation and quote so that's actually what I meant that's my every time he is in a courtroom it is pure comedy so it's

just it's just like it's just like how you would write a funny judge scene so eventually the judge asked rosemary simply what is this religion called and rosemary said she didn't know and the judge said quote you mean you your religion doesn't have a name yet and she said quote we have yet to name it your honor and he was like okay can we just fucking work up to the name right now it's about a feeling it's about you know me being at one with the name and nature in the name people gonna need a name it's just make up a name we don't have one make up a name but huh it's called Frank Frank okay oh right well

someone's getting food feeding time feeding time so Tim's case goes to the jury and within 30 minutes he's found guilty he post bail he appeals the case on the basis that the marijuana tax is the marijuana tax act is unconstitutional and eventually that case heads to the court he's right so while he awaits the conclusion the media begins reporting heavily on LSD it becomes a thing now it's the thing that politicians and law enforcement used to get promoted time quote an epidemic of acid heads 10,000 students at U of California have tried LSD life quote turmoil in a capsule one dose of LSD is enough to set off a

mental riot of vivid colors and insights or of terror and convulsions end quote and there's even one anonymous and yeah there's one anonymous anecdote that's printed from a mother who says she stayed at Millbrook and admitted that she would put a little acid in her children's orange juice at breakfast and let them have a day of quote freaking out in the woods oh fuck yeah that's dosing your kids without their knowledge even if you're gonna admit it why would you say freaking out why wouldn't you be like experiencing nature on a higher level you know you're like let me go freak out in

the woods for a couple hours well I would give my kids a little bit and then they would go outside and scream at trees I can't I mean it's it's terrible but it's also just like man like but when I was a kid a mother my friends my mother's friend I didn't have a friend's mother at that time my mother's friend when I was like three gave me like sips of spoonfuls of vodka at like dinner and I got hammered and had to go to the hospital yeah I had the same thing yeah I drove obviously I was fine to drive but but yes but imagine that would handle your boobs huh no I mean that's insane to you shouldn't dose anybody who doesn't

know they're being dosed are she fear and also especially kids like kids you really shouldn't dose kids I think I think I think we can I think we can be in the middle on this one I see you let's draw a line somewhere let's draw a line somewhere it's there and it's with dosing kids so Tim is now a counter culture celebrity he's launched the new acid culture of the 60s in September 1966 Tim did a Playboy interview that reads like a wild infomercial for acid quote in a carefully prepared loving LSD session a woman will inevitably have several hundred orgasms playboy several hundred leery yes several hundred end

quote he also claimed that men could have 20,000 orgasms another quote the fact is that LSD is a specific cure for homosexuality we've had many cases of long-term homosexuals who under LSD discovered that they are not only genitally but genetically male that they are basically attracted to females end quote obviously false and very gross statement but the the interview is totally insane but that is obviously a quote where you're like holy shit like this is I mean and that again stems in some bastardized way from what he experienced with dick where he just like it's it's very bizarre you know I

don't really know sorry I didn't hear anything after 20,000 Jesus talk about dehydra I mean talk about crushing a Gatorade right the person who's having 20,000 orgasms is going oh my god please oh stop oh fuck oh shit fuck oh my god no I'm out of come stop it oh god I want to call oh no I want to watch TV oh god can I eat something I'm coming oh fuck oh god I'm jizzing oh let's just please oh god I gotta go to bed oh god I'm coming again oh my god I'm coming so hard holy shit fuck oh my god okay look look all I'm asking is oh god look I gotta go to the DMV tomorrow holy shit my license it's expired I'm

coming I gotta go there I'm coming so hard I just I'm fearing if I have to oh fuck if I have to go in line and wait oh shit if I have to go in line and wait that long holy shit that's good I mean who knows what's gonna holy fuck I don't think oh my god oh shit I don't think I could oh fuck I take a picture oh come oh your life is hell it's like we I would not take it it's really the worst sales you'll have 20,000 tails from the crypt pot plot line okay so the trouble at Milbrook continues one night Rosemary and Tim had just smoked DMT when the cops come and they're led by lunatic G Gordon Liddy now Liddy says quote word

was that at Leary's lair the panties were dropping as fast as the acid and quote which to me doesn't sound like one thing huh is he saying that like that in a bad way saying that that's yeah okay so so in G Gordon Liddy's world women wanting to fuck is it the really bad thing in G Gordon yes yes yes I think that's a fair assessment of what he's saying he's up but you know it's like the dragnet cop heads are like you shouldn't be fucking that fuckens for Mike and babies yeah imagine if they came on the night when Tim was having 20,000 orgasms they'd have been like Jesus Christ this is our nightmare don't

stand in don't stand in front of him he's not in possession of so so they're excited when they bust in and they find that Rosemary has some weed in her bedroom until it turns out to be Pete Moss but Liddy and his guys keep coming and okay hold on is it in a bag like what I think they just found it like on a windowsill or something and they were all freaking out they're like no wait I don't even know why I brought that up she was walking through the forest she's on fucking acid she sees Pete Moss she picks it up she walks around with it for nine hours that house was full of flowers that were once important so so but

eventually they do find some weed and they they are they and by the way when they showed up they had just smoked EMT I don't know if I mentioned that oh well yeah so they just smoked EMT so they find the Pete Moss coming back and eventually they do find weed and Tim's arrested two others are arrested but that's not the last that we're gonna hear of our man G Gordon Dave anyway in May Tim was called to the Senate hearing on narcotics the social change that LSD had brought was undeniable and Tim was at the helm now he's sitting in front of the Senate panel now Tim looks like well he looks like a guy who has been taking

acid all the time who had to put on a suit he looks just a little crazy he admitted to taking acid over 3,000 times and when asked to describe the effects of LSD he said quote you might say I was sitting there and I began to dissolve every cell in my body began to break down I was afraid I would become a puddle on the floor then I saw a huge serpent coming up and the serpent swallowed me I went into the serpent stomach and later I was excreted and I exploded end quote so that's in front of a Senate panel which would be the great if I could watch TV that sounds like a tough hearing oh I would be like I think this isn't in TV

and I'm on acid so so Ted Kennedy begins to badger Tim and Tim eventually caves and he starts saying stuff like quote I feel constructive legislation constructive legislation is obviously very badly needed end quote and he's making sure that they're making sure he's heard him correctly a senator says quote don't you feel LSD should be put under some restriction as to its sale its possession and its use leery quote definitely so everyone's kind of like that seems a little weird for this guy and Rosemary is watching from her jail cell where she was put for not testifying against him at his last trial

and she said quote he was being berated by Ted Kennedy I mean lambasted I kept waiting for him to say something about our religion nothing not a word end quote so what well so she the religion from before like he's like we have a religion which they kind of do and they kind of believe but he just in front of the Senate he just totally folds he caves he's just not the guy who is like hey I did a bunch of research on this and there's tons of breakthroughs and you know these what you're seeing is a culture of people who want to expand their minds because they're they're so bored by what the society often like

he doesn't say anything like that he's like no for sure you got to be careful you got to legislate it you know like he's just not pushing back it's you don't even know why the hell he went to it honestly like you probably just repressed because the dude did love press so anyway so he's drawing more heat and soon after that he said quote if you take the game of life seriously if you take your nervous system seriously if you take the energy process seriously this is an event you must turn on tune in and drop out end quote and everybody goes crazy everybody goes crazy they can't figure they just like he's telling

everyone to drop out of school the idea that Leary is telling people to drop out is so disturbing for the culture in America but now Tim officially is associated with a slogan truly right so it's parodied squirt told customers to quote turn on the flavor tune into sparkle and drop out of the cola rut Reverend Billy Graham had a sermon quote turn on Christ tune into the Bible and drop out of sin end quote and in magma that is not what that mad magazine psychedelic issue they said quote tune in turn on and drop dead end quote so on and now on November 11th 1967 Tim and Rosemary were married in Joshua tree

Samu an Apache medicine man who was quote a shaman and veteran of thousands of peyote nights end quote was there to read and perform the vows but sadly Samu was way too fucked up to perform and he wasn't the only one Leary himself was on so much masculine he was ill other guests are dying from various drugs all around Rosemary later said quote my wedding March was the symphony of retching end quote and as they prepared to leave Samu is finally kind of sobered up and he's able to do the vows near the car after the ceremony for them this is what you don't want the guy doing your wedding saying I'm too fucked up well

if you go on the website and it says he's had a thousand peyote nights you're like this guy can handle life but instead he's like I took too much to not him really not we fucked up so so as Tim's Supreme Court case looms he goes on a speaking tour Leary hits college campuses doing wild performances using variations of media entitled the death of the mind attempting to bring the LSD a trip experience would cause an uproar Tim quote political militants who would sometimes denounce me for distracting young people from arm revolution and sometimes old people who would shout that I was the antichrist a devil a new

Hitler seducing the young it was all good theater end quote so to at this point Tim and Rosemary move into the brotherhood of eternal love ranch this is a group of young hippies who smuggled and distributed a lot of the drugs for the 60s they would hide weed and hollowed out surfboards they would sneak hash from Afghanistan and VW bugs at the Newport pop festival they were allowed to sell fruit juice instead they decided to dose a thousand attendees with acid and so that's obviously not what they wanted at the pop festival but they what a thousand yeah they're just they just were allowed to sell like fruits

and juices and they just were like they just put acid on a bunch of the fruit juices so people just actually and also how they found out was a cop drink one and so they said like 20 minutes later over the loudspeaker they just had figured it like the cop is like I'm on acid I'm on acid basically the by the way that's a great idea it's marketing so basically the brotherhood took a lot of Tim's big talk and what he was saying and they were kind of putting it into action they loved acid but they loved him more I mean maybe not more but they loved him and he kind of become their default guru they

also had made orange sunshine which is the first real distributed LSD so they kind of brought into the streets now while at the ranch Tim got the Supreme Court's verdict when news trucks rolled down the ranch drive and asked him quote how does it feel being free end quote Tim realized he was acquitted of the border charge and he told reporters he was quote was high and happy for ourselves and the thousands of young people in prison for psychedelic crimes end quote and then on the fly with zero heads up to anyone Tim announced that he would quote run for the highest office in the state end quote yes Timothy Leary

was now running for governor against the awesome dude Ronald Reagan so oh he just on the fly announced that everyone people who like followed him are like what the fuck is this what is his plan like he's the one my and you can't play your pants what's the campaign slogan just is it tune in well or is it like question Dave because he had his image put on zigzags for promotion but he did feel like he needed a slogan and so when they're spitballing slogans Rosemary flippantly said come together in May that year Tim was with John Lennon in New York for the bed in and when Lennon heard the slogan he wrote come together

that day and handed it to Leary for the campaign so all right let's also just put out there how much I hate the bed in the bed man the bedding is the worst that is a peak hippie them I fucking hate the bed it's it's it's what what did you do to protest before Twitter we're gonna change the world by getting a bed hey what about this what about pizza in that's where I'm just gonna crush pizzas until you figure a bunch of this shit out but I'll be here so Tim gets even more good news when the Milbrook marijuana charges dropped eventually partially from lack of evidence partially from the judge being sick of the

defense tactic and bringing in religious person after religious person the judge said quote if I see one more Swami coming through that door I'm gonna throw him out the window and quote so the case was thrown out like a Swami at a window now he's having a pretty good run Leary but his luck is about to run out yeah on December 26 1968 Timothy Leary was driving with his wife Rosemary and his son Jack when he made a wrong turn a curious cop pulled them over and you know how these police just want to see what okay let's let's drop the phrase curious curious innocent little boy cop I picture him as an eight-year-old a

profiling cop can I ask you how Larry is making money well he I mean he's making a lot of money at speaking events like he is I mean there's a number of ways he's people are giving him money at Milbrook they also started to kind of sell weekends where like when they didn't give people drugs but they would be like come have a tripped-out experience but money for them was always an issue like they're always you know like when they're done at Milbrook like they're 50 grand in debt he's got legal bills so money is totally an issue but also he's granted a lot of favors from people because he's a celebrity so like

where he goes he pretty much lived like a king and you know eats for free and all that so say pulls him over the cop says he smells marijuana and he finds two joints mostly smoked now they were small but the impact was large and they may have been planted obviously the weed was planted but the weed joints might have been planted in the car right so but we don't know that's what Tim said right away he's like oh that wasn't in there that wasn't in there anyway the felony was enough to void Tim's run for governor which is tough but it would have a bigger impact that's a felony yeah yes okay actually maybe it might not have

been then but I believe it I mean yeah it's I think it might have been so so when the trial for the Laguna Beach arrests happened Tim began to take the stand and even cross-examine himself now the courtroom was packed with hippies at this point because he's so famous so much so that the judge said quote if there is a humming session in here there's gonna be a lot of people humming in jail and quote can I also just say the smell must have been horrible patchouli was in the air for sure we can't agree on that I I mean if you see if you told me I just know patchouli every day I would kill myself about this next like I

think we've got you know there's a new movement now and it seems pretty deodoranted so hopefully we've learned from our path not asking for a bath we're just asking for a spritz but the trial is also crazy because of Jack Leary Jack Leary kept spinning into the courtroom's carpeted floor so much so the judge McMillan had to warn him Jack defended himself by saying he was wiping it into his pants the judge replied quote he's the judge replied quote I'm sorry the judge replied quote he's missing his pants and quote their attorney argued the deck fitting into his hand the judge ordered the bailiff to get Jack's Kleenex

which Jack then began to chew and maybe one of the lawyers said quote in the course of that trial he must have eaten three boxes of Kleenex one time his dad went to stop him and he slapped him right in the face right in the middle of court and quote it's it's hard it's hard to believe this kid was raised on that it truly is like it's very the kids he did totally fucking damage I mean it's crazy so the kids just like oh by the way our son is fairly so I don't know how it works yeah but Jack lives in a no rules well they are like it's he doesn't have rules in such a way that he eats he eats they're like he's he's day I mean

he's he's just damaged I mean it's just fucking he's damn I don't know if you've ever met someone who has done too much acid but I young and shit and it's not great so so even the strategy the strategy to make Tim look like he had no idea about the pot but that didn't work the jury found found all three of them guilty Leary had the book toss that and by the Reagan judge Tim was sentenced to ten years and a ten thousand dollar fine there's a lot of like I'm not sure the sentence was exorbitant it was around that other places say it was like 20 years but he also you know basically he's going to jail for so little for two

joints for ten years but Tim David look this is also a time when they could put you in jail for life if they wanted for really you put in jail for marijuana for people there are people in jail right now marijuana for life eighth eighth eighth of pot I don't jail for life that's true yeah no this country so the strategy was to make it seem like Tim had no idea right I already said that so he gets ten ten years ten thousand dollar fine but Tim would not serve the ten years his fate would be much much stranger because on January 20th 1969 Richard Nixon was sworn in as the 37th president of the United States of America and that

concludes our greatest president David I can't believe it's only part one Jesus Christ oh my god stay tuned for part two next right hold will Tim and the gang figure it out this is epic all right I'm gonna turn it off and