The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 437 - Charles Lindbergh (Live)

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

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You're listening to the dollop. This is a bilingual American history podcast for each week I, iPad owner, lover of dogs, coronavirus infected, Dave Anthony. It's a story from American history to his friend. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. January 4th 1902 Charles Augustus Lindbergh was born in Detroit. Okay his father's name was Carl Manson but he changed his name to Charles Augustus Lindbergh and named his son after himself. Smart. Yeah

early legacy that's how you gotta do it. His father immigrated from Sweden at a young age and then the family moved to Little Falls, Minnesota when Charles was a toddler. Is that a boo? I think that was a boo. Somebody just booed Little Falls? Yeah get bigger falls fuck face. You got a bunch of legs don't you? I was so fucking mad when I went through the falls are like that high. Welcome to Little Falls. We're here to help you. You're too big mister. Maybe this guy can help us. I gotta get out of here. You're the one we talked about in scripture. No I'm not. The guy at the hotel said go here. The guy at the hotel? Yeah that was us. A bunch of us got in a trench coat and

find you to come here. Is that you're a prisoner? What? Yeah we're gonna eat you. What the fuck are you talking about? We're gonna cut you up and sell you for parts mister. Who the fuck are you? We're evil motherfuckers with the Little Fallons. Jesus Christ. Soon we'll take over the Vikings. What? Our goal is to be the quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings. Why? Because the prophecy told us so. Then you never win. Yeah well look when we came up with the plan they were doing pretty good. They were in the playoffs. So a while ago. You get to the playoffs but you never win anything. Well that's where we come in. I hate this guy. I'm saying this in Detroit. Detroit where the best running back in the league is like I can't. I just can't. Charles Ma'am, Ma'am. Charles Ma'am, Evangene, Lodge, Land, Lindenburg. Wait what? Evangeline, Lodge, Land, Lindenburg. Lodgeland? Lodge, separate word land. There's a train in the building. Yes there's a train. Lodge is, her middle name is Lodge and Land. Not two words. Lodge Land. Lodge Land. To be clear. Okay so she's just got a cabin. Yeah her family had land and so they thought there really is a train going by. We don't have those in California. She was a chemistry teacher. Charles would be their only child. They were after that they were like perfect. His father quickly became a student. It didn't sound like there was a lot of chemistry in the bedroom David. She taught it but at home none of it. Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. I'll be honest I almost didn't say that joke. His father became a successful lawyer and then a politician and he was elected to Congress. So young Charles Lindenburg spent a lot of time in DC while his dad was there from 1907 to 1917. Glory years. His parents then split but they could not officially divorce since this would tarnish the reputation of a congressman.

Imagine that time. We have an image to uphold. Not anymore. Also divorce is very uncommon at the time. After the separation Charles lived with his mother in DC but they traveled a lot. He ended up all over the place. He went to a dozen schools from DC to California and Minnesota. Lindenburg's father was very opposed to entering World War I. He wrote a lot on the topic including a book called Why is your country at war that criticizes the U.S. entering the war and the book was seized by the government under the Comstock Act and not published. So the government was like you can't tell people what's going on. That's okay. That's not cool man. That's what we do. We just go. No. That seems pretty anti us. So no. Fuck it. It's propaganda now. Eventually it'll be published in 1934. Right on time. So he was like finally the message to. No we won't go into World War I. We will not go in. We wouldn't have shit. They really won this didn't they. They really figured out a way to shut me down. So the book was about how war is big business. What. Spurred by the profiteers of industry and banking. And now Dave was that true at the time. No that's not true. We go to war for freedom. Yeah absolutely. And to spread it. And to spread. That's all we do is spread freedom. Thank you. Like it or not we're going to free you. So free. We freed so many people from their lives. Yes we really know how to spread that. Yes.

At a very very early age Charles was obsessed with machinery. Especially his family's Saxon six car and guns and a family motorcycle. What was the first one. Saxon six car. Saxon six. Saxon. Saxon six car. You don't remember that. Nope. I'm picking the Chitty Bang Bang car though. That's a lot like that. Yeah. All right. That'll be what I picture. His grandfather was also an inventor and that influenced Charles. Now after graduating from high school in Little Falls he went to the University of Wisconsin Madison. And studied engineering but dropped out after a year. Sounds like Madison. Because he had gotten into flying. OK. Now I say gotten into it but he quit college even though quote he had never been close enough to a plane to touch it. So this was like he just really liked the idea. This is like how this is like a religious epiphany almost. This is where someone just like Jesus talks to you through a bush all of a sudden. Yeah. So he was just like planes are awesome. I'm going to quit school. Do you want to go see a plane first. No. Charles they're actually pretty dangerous. I love planes. You got it. Maybe you should have your vision checks. Some stuff can stop you from being able to do it. Fuck Madison. Maybe you should just stay in college for a little while then make your decision.

No I'm quitting school. I love planes. I saw one. Only one photograph. A photo of one. Yes. And I love them. Do you know how big they are. Like two feet. No. No. Three feet way bigger. You're thinking of the ones from Little Falls six. Don't go there. There are little people there. We'll fucking kill you. I've got news for you motherfucker. We're all in this guy's skin. We killed this man and then put his skin on. What the hell are you talking about. We're trying to entrap you. I don't want to do this. Okay. So he leaves college. He goes to Lincoln Nebraska and signs up for Ray Page's flying school. Ray Page to name it flying. Yeah. Ray Page. I would have mentioned there weren't a lot of flying schools. Yeah. But my guess is it's like okay. I'm just sounds like something you would find like in a newspaper. I'm Ray Page teaching a flight an hour and 45 minutes to get some piloting license. Kind of close. So he flew for the first time on April 9 1922 as a passenger. Okay. Quote trees become bushes barns toys cows turn into rabbits as we climb.

I lose all connection with the past. I live only in the moment in this strange immortal space crowded with beauty. Beauty appears with danger. Can you combine that with how we feel about flying like the way that like it used to be like look at Marvel at it. Look at it. We're in the air and now we're like look at this asshole next to me. I'm going to balance my iPad on this thing real quick so I can watch a movie. A fucking baby. Are you kidding me. Don't worry it's evening and I'm sure it'll pass out from pain soon. Jesus Christ. It'll shriek itself into a sleep soon. What do you mean you're out of hummus. Look at the barns planes are obviously new invention safety not great at this point which means they crashed all the time. So this made it hard for Charles to get solo flight training because he couldn't afford the damage bond that a pilot needed to fly alone to fly someone else's plane. Right. You basically like I will pay for your plane. Yeah. Right. And also probably put posthumously like paying for someone's plane. Yeah.

Here's a check. If I die. Cash that. All right. What a double way. I mean that'll be for the family. Dad's gone and he bought a plane that crashed. Don't touch your face to literally everyone's inner monologue now. Touch it. Don't touch it. Don't touch that. Use your shirt. Don't move around. Don't touch that. Don't sneeze. Don't stay next to that guy. He's sniffling. And to make matters worse. Charles flight instructor instructor. Nice. His flight instructor Ira Biffle. What happened to Ray Page? Where's Ray? Ray's dead. He's a character. I assume Ray crashed. Ira Biffle who was known as Biff. Biff had a good friend who had just crashed and died while flying. So now Biff, the flight instructor, hated flying. It's a good energy. It's a good vibe. You sure you want to do this today? We could, you know. No, we'll figure it out. Hey, shut up. Life's garbage anyway. It's meaningless. So it's flying. Doesn't matter where you go. You end up back where you start. Every time it's just a big circle, isn't it? Drive you mad. Looking at the same woman, the same child, the same goddamn house.

I feel like every day is the exact goddamn same. Hey, are we going to start the plane, or what are we doing? Oh, sorry. Robot expressed too much emotion. Sit down and fuckface. Let's get through this. So you hit this to start it. Are you crying? Buddy, I don't even know anymore. So dehydrated from weeping. It just doesn't matter anymore. What's the other thing there? Yeah, then once it started, you got to get moving. You'll figure it out. I'm going to catch a movie. I'll see you later. There aren't movie theaters yet. Well, I've been having these premonitions fires, I think. Ever since Ray Page passed. So, Biff was the only flight instructor at the school, and he kept making excuses why he couldn't fly each day. And Charles became very frustrated. And then the school's only plane was sold. So, Charles went to flight school to be a passenger on a plane once. That's right. And meet a couple guys. Yeah, yeah.

The guy who bought the plane bought it for barnstorming. Barnstormers would perform stunts in the air. And when they came to a town, they would drop leaflets announcing when and where the show would be. There were $5 rides, wing walking and parachuting. What was the second? A wing walking? Charles, whose nickname was now Slim, got into wing walking and then parachuting. Okay, now did he do that on an actual plane, or was he just practicing? He actually did it on a plane. Sorry, Charles, we sold the wing. What? Yeah, it's gone. That might have been why the plane crashed. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense, Charles. Are you some kind of aviation scientist? No, I've just seen a picture of a plane, the wings. Alright, I'm going to go see a movie.

So parachuting, they would do a double jump where they would have one shoot and it would open and it would look like there was something wrong with it and then they would drop all the way close to the ground and hit the second shoot. Fun. Every time. Oh my God, it almost happened again. The cool thing is when the second shoot didn't open. Yeah. But then they didn't have a lot of time to be like, it's a trick. No, that's when the show takes a turn and you brought your children to a public death. That's right. So people love that one. And by doing this, Charles learned how to land in almost any condition. To land? Oh, okay. Yeah, because they would pull it so late that they would roll. Right. So he traveled barnstorming across Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. Barnstorming, very dangerous, but he was also getting a crash course on what it took to be a pilot. A crash course? Well, you know, that's my term. A non-crash course, I think. Yes.

He flew with another pilot in the plane and the pilot said that Charles was a natural, but he was still not able to officially pilot a plane by himself at this point. He could fly if another guy was also in the control. Right. He had a learner's permit. Yeah. When Winter came, with money saved up, he went back to his father's house in Minnesota, and then he bought his own plane from a World War I Army surplus field in Georgia. That must have driven his dead nuts. No! That war was bullshit! The government fucked me! God damn it! Who sent you here to do that, Charles? The plane was a Jenny biplane. It cost 500 bucks. Okay. Took his first solo flight as soon as he bought it. Okay. He flew for the next week and got the required five hours of solo pilot time. Wait. Yep. He just needed five hours. All right. You're good. Do you swear to God you had five hours, Charles?

I can trust you. There you go. Five hours? How did you hurt with five hours under your belt? This guy's one of the best. He's been up there over six and a half hours. You just see this kid. He's unbelievable. He's got over five hours of experience. Six. Welcome to the expert level, son. And then he flew to Montgomery, Alabama, which is 140 miles away. The Jenny was not known for having much power and known for being slow, and it had no brakes. Were there any issues with the model? So what do you do with no brakes? You just hill landing? You just hope it stops. That's quite a plan.

Why would you put brakes on a plane? Yeah, no, of course. Snakes, I don't understand. There's brakes on these motherfucking planes! Charles then went back to barnstorming using the name Daredevil Lindberg. He barnstormed nonstop across the country and at one point made his first night flight. He did just barnstorm a couple times. He flew a doctor over the flooded Wisconsin River to reach people in trouble. So he was helping people out too. Sure. Okay. Unfortunately, he'd be like, where we land might be far from where we stop. So that's the house? All right. Well, I'll get you near there. We're breakless.

Put both your hands out now. Stop it. No, close your fingers. Close fingers. There you go. Perfect. You know, I've been flying for over nine hours. Crazy. Where did the hours go? I didn't know you were such an expert. Oh, I know everything. He also broke his propeller several times while landing. Good. Good, good, good. That makes you have to go in like that. Well, Dave, he's on a breakless bird. I mean, he's going to shatter the nose from time to time. He's going to hit a tree. Now, it turns out barnstorming wasn't a great way to make a living. I'm looking for the upside of barnstorming. You might die for nothing. How's that sound?

In between, he worked on the jobs like handyman and gas station attendant. On June 3rd, 1923, he was flying his father, who was running for Senate, to a campaign stop when he ran it into a ditch. Sure. So he was just landflying? Well, no, he landed and there was no breaks when he went to a ditch. Right. Yeah, because it's impossible to know the full topography of the land where you're landing when... It sounds like a flawed plan, is what I'm saying. Charles then sold his plane in Iowa and hooked up with another barnstormer and they toured the south. At one point, he crashed right after takeoff but was not injured. After a while, he went back for training, this time at the United States Air Service Training Program in Texas.

And he was one of only 18 out of 104 who graduated. Okay. He was now a second lieutenant in the Air Service Reserve Corps. Eight days later, after graduating, he was involved in a midair collision. He graduated in eight days? No, eight days after he graduated. Okay, I thought we were on another five-hour time. Well, you're in charge of the army now, it's been a week and a day, so... You're a major.

But he bailed out of the plane when they collided and he left. This is okay. It sounds animated. But the army didn't need pilots because, you know, 20s, literally no reason. So he went back to barnstorming. He also worked as a flight instructor. Now, things seemed to be going well and then his father died from a brain tumor. Charles was shattered.

He scattered his dad's ashes from the plane across their farm. And then Charles got a job as an air mail pilot. Okay. Air mail had been around since 1918 and was considered the most dangerous job in the country. Okay. 31 of the first 40 pilots who flew air mail died from crashes. Jesus Christ. They're treating them like Apollo's.

So it's a good job, but 75% of us die. That's right. And the 25% who don't make very little. Welcome aboard. Uh, so this, it's just how you get your mail. These are important letters. Yeah. Top tier letters.

They're flying from city to city. Right. Air mail pilots mostly flew the Hablin's planes, which were nicknamed Flaming Coffins. Oh my God. Did they let the pilots know what that's called? Don't tell them our nickname for it though, because that bugs them out. They get weird when you tell them the name of the plane. But anyway, have a good flight.

Get that letter to that guy. It's going to get there fast. This was because the plane of the plane's fuel tanks, which were between the engine and the cockpit, they would often explode if the plane crash landed. Jesus Christ. Yeah, a crash, so you jump out of the plane if you're going to crash. Yeah, but if you don't know, if you're just coming down and you hit a ditch. I almost was going to say that it sounded like flying pentos, but then realized that

have been flying pentos. For those of you who don't know, there were flying pentos. Now, so they have the big, they have the big fuel tank between the engine and the cockpit. They also, you had to land them crazy fast. Perfect, perfect, this sounds like a perfect recipe. They were too heavy. Good, great. So it's too heavy, you got to land it fast and it's got a bomb up front.

And they had poorly designed cockpits. Great, okay, so, right. Flaming coffin is a pretty good nickname. Quote, the gliding angle of a brick. They don't have gliding angles. Now, on top of all that, landing strips were poorly lit and not well designed. Sounds like maybe it wasn't the time to start flying. Yeah, I think that, little early.

So Charles flew mail between St. Louis and Chicago and he crashed several times. Charles had to bail out of his plane twice during the night while flying to Chicago because of a combo of bad weather equipment failure and being out of fuel. More than once, he had to land in farmer's fields using a flashlight to see. You just hold it up the window. There we go. That sucked. I don't know what it is, but that sucked.

Oh, that's a cow. There we go. Perfect. Nonstop flights became the rage. Well, it sounds like most flights were nonstop. There were no fucking breaks on any of them. I thought you said this was nonstop, as if we don't know when we will stop. Oh, good, cows.

Now, Raymond Ortig, along with the Arrow Club of America, offered $25,000 to anyone who could fly nonstop from New York to Paris and back in the early 20s. But at that point, no one wanted to try it. But as years passed, pilots got better and some felt they could handle it, and they started going for it. It doesn't sound like we're ready for this challenge. From whatever it's so far, we flight years away. On September 21, 1926, French flying ace, Rene Franc, was taking off from Roosevelt Airfield in New York

when the plane burst into flames before it took off. I think this is another complication, but not anything was not me. We should still take off at our regular time. Franc survived, but his two crewmen died. Noel Davis and Stanton Wooster were testing their plane at Langley Field, getting ready for the cross-Atlantic flight on April 26, 1927, with a heavy load of gas when they crashed nose first, exploding, and both died. Jesus Christ. And this is like in your practice run before.

Yeah, that wasn't even. You're in the Matters box. That's to get off the ground. So a plan that could make the journey was very expensive, and Charles used his savings and went to his connections in St. Louis, and had a meeting with the head of the Chamber of Commerce of St. Louis, and convinced him it would be a great thing for the city if they named the plane after St. Louis. So the spirit of St. Louis would be the plane.

Now, planes were being built with three engines for power to get across the Atlantic, but Charles thought that just led to failure. He wanted a single-engine plane so it was lighter and had better fuel efficiency. I mean, okay, I don't know anything. Yep. But that sounds crazy. Well, it's going to go a lot slower. Yeah, but...

But you're a lot lighter, so it does... Well, the other ones are blowing up, so I can't... Yeah, okay. I agree, I'm not in line for those. Do you want a blow-up plane or a regular one? I'll take the one that's not the first one you said, for sure, whatever the second one was. Blow-up plane. No, no, no. No, a non-blow.

Blow-up or regular? Regular. But that's also a blow-up plane. Well, then I don't think I'm going to take a flight. I'll be honest. So it took him a while to find a plane. He only had 15,000 in the company in San Diego, Ryan Airlines. Ryan Air? Ryan Air, I'm assuming it's named after a guy. It's not the same. It's two different words.

Okay. Ryan Air. You know, a guy named Ryan was like, oh, I'm going to have an airline. Right. We should go back to those names like that, even though there is currently a Ryan Air. What are you flying? Larry. I'm on tight air.

Oh, really? Have you tried Doug? Doug's not good. No? No, Doug's not good. Have you tried the lounge? The Doug lounge? Yeah, Doug's in there. It gives you a massage. Full.

I heard that guy doesn't even have a plane, just has a lounge. Did you ever get on a flight? No. Yeah. No, but I came a lot. I like the sound of Doug Air. It's not really a lounge. It's more of a garage. I'm not going anywhere.

It's actually not anywhere near an airport. I'm still here, aren't I? So Ryan Airlines was in a rundown building that had previously been a fish cannery. And this is where you're like, this will get me to Paris. This energy in here is right. The entire building still wreaked a fish. But after talking to them, the owners seemed on top of it. And Charles had them build a plane.

Until the very end when he was like, whoa, whoa, plane. I thought we were talking about a fish. I don't think a plane will get you to Paris. But I got a couple of fish. Wait, you were building a fish for two months? Yeah. A super fish. I figured you could get inside its stomach like Pinocchio.

What does that mean you were building a fish? I don't know. You said you wanted to go to Paris. I started building a super fish. It's got a super tail. What? Yeah. Yeah.

I'll be honest. There's no super fish. I didn't have the heart to tell you. And then I'd been sitting here just trying to figure out what the hell a super fish was the whole time. Yeah. I wanted a plane. So I don't know how that got translated into super fish.

I'm 90% you said super fish. I would not invent something like that. Clearly. I can't. That's like the worst mix-up I've ever had. Super fish. You do. You want to see some of these blueprints?

No. Look at this shit. Look how crazy that is. It doesn't even make sense. I know. What am I talking about? It's insane. I don't have any answers.

I lost my wife over this. Yeah, I bet. I just get up in the middle of the night and I try to draw in something. She's like, what the hell is that? I just have these super fish breakthroughs. It's a super fish breakthrough? Yeah, where I'd be like, oh, that's what the fish should have. Flashlight eyes or something I thought for a little while.

Because it's a super fish. But where do you put the motor? Do you put a motor? Is it a fish? Motor? Yeah, exactly. What do you mean, is it a fish? Like a real fish?

I don't know. You thought you might make a real fish with laser eyes? Flashlight eyes. First of all, I'm not crazy. I don't even want to talk about it anymore because I am so embarrassed. You know that your company is called Ryan Airlines, right? Again, that's why I never would have gotten in the super fish game until you came along. But man, if I could, man.

I think I like that better than anyone here. Custom built it. It had extra fuel tanks in the wings and the nose of the plane. And a gas tank between the engine and the cockpit that would block Charles' view through the windshield. Good. I think overall it's good to just get a bunch more fuel pockets on this thing. Really add them up, you know. Get them all over the place.

And you'll be sitting on a fuel pocket too, just in case, Charlie. He told the men building it, quote, there's not much need to see ahead in normal flight. When I'm near a flying field, I can watch the sky ahead by making shallow banks. All I need is a window on each side to see through. So he is going to be driving a plane like his engine just blew up with like the way, like he's going to be doing the head out the window. Like he's going to be ace venturing his plane to Paris. I don't need to see straight on.

I'll just giraffe my head out of the plane. He used instruments and would slide a retractable periscope out the left window to see forward. I mean, okay. Altogether the plane would carry 450 gallons of gas. To make the plane as light as possible, he got rid of the radio, parachute, gas, engine. The parachute, you could literally lose the parachute weight. What is a parachute? How much is a parachute weight?

Yeah, I mean, not much, but also like... Keep the fucking parachute. Why? You're going to fucking jump out over the Atlantic and be like, oh, no, I'm going to take a longer time. Plus these guys are crashing in fields near takeoff. Yeah, but then he's going to blow up. I can't believe your pro get rid of it. Lose the chute.

I don't need that chute. No clothing, no food, no oxygen. Fuck it. I'll get there. I'll just be a goddamn skeleton on a nightmare plane. Hey, what about losing that periscope? Because that sounds fucking crazy in his 10 pounds. No, no, no.

The parachute's got to go. Anything survival based, let's get out of there. We'll keep the periscope in those funny goggles I like to wear to crack myself up. We'll keep all my gag gifts. When I show up there, I want to show how ironic my sense of humor is. He also got rid of navigation lights. How much did that weigh? That weighs four ounces, Charles.

Lose them. This periscope weighs a lot more than it was supposed to. I'm going to shave my head. Take out my eyes. Take out one of my eyes. I don't need all these fingers. Cut off the pinkies. Those are useless.

Give it another thumbs, too. I'll just figure it out. Three. Get rid of the whole fucking plane. Lose the ears. I mean, if I don't have the navigation, what do I need those fucking things for? I'm not going to need my genitals in Paris. Off with their heads.

One foot will do. You know what? Yes. Right over there. You're going to need your genitals in Paris. Fair. Fair. You might actually want to get a second pair.

I'm not adding a pair of genitals. That's besides the configuration. There's also the weight factor. It's foolish. I had that. It may as well keep the parachute. I'll lose one testicle. Meet you in the middle.

Put it in that pinky pile we got started over there. He replaced the pilot's seat with a wicker chair. Yep. Yep. This is what I'll come to do a little whittling. The end of the night, I'll just sit out on the porch over here, whittle, tell my grandson a story, even though he can't be there because of weight issues.

Look up at the stars and wonder, where the fuck am I? I've got no idea. I can't see straight ahead. I got rid of every button. Now, just two days before Charles was scheduled to leave, French war heroes Charles Nungasser and Francois Collis took off from Paris, headed for New York.

It looked like the dream was over. Oh, no. Right when you got the wicker chair you wanted too. Luckily, they were never seen again. That's the thing. At some point, you're just at the finish line like... Boy, they are over-scheduled. Yeah, but still, maybe they stopped for something.

Yeah. There's no way to know. Boy, it's getting late now. It is. It's there literally 18 days late. People in the banners are really starting to look down. All right, guys, we're ready to make the call. No, I see.

All right, yeah, we're going to make the call. We're pretty sure that the people you came to see have died. No. Yeah, they probably died. I think they're flying in a circle. Hey, could you do me a favor and not sidebar any of the shit I'm saying? I'm trying to let these people grieve and you keep undercutting it. I'm just trying to give people hope.

Yeah, but we just landed on the same page that we were saying, you know, they're not coming. So once we turn both keys on that, let me address it to the people. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. No, because I already sense... No, do it. ...that you're going to undercut it. I'm not going to undercut it.

Why don't you lead them at the grieving part? You guys, they're going to be here any minute. We just got a call. We got a call that they just... Just off of New Jersey. Hey! Hey! Hey!

Let's go back to undercutting. What the fuck was that? Did you see how happy that kid was? Yeah, but you just lied to them. I know, but that boy's face... Oh, my God. You are... Look at him.

I'm going to get you. Oh, look, he's running around like he's a plane now. Oh, my God. You may as well jump in the goddamn ocean because that's where that plane is. Wow. Wow. Oh, my God. Look at that little boy.

He's crying. Now he's not a plane. Now he's a boy on the ground sobbing. So, Charles took off from Long Island on May 20th, 1927. Uh-huh. So, the flight altogether, 33 and a half hours. Okay. So, during the flight, he kept the windows open so the cold air and rain would keep him

alert and awake. Okay. What's... And the bathroom situation is just going to be... Yeah. ...let it rip? You know what I should have read about that. I think he probably just shit in his wicker chair.

I don't. There's some assumptions I'm comfortable with you making and there's others that I'm not. I'm not comfortable with you assuming he turned the wicker chair into a toilet. Okay, look. A lot of people don't know this, but wicker and shit go together really good. It's formed into a hut that I now reside in. I'm going to say that he goes out the window. I'm going to say he does.

He can ass out the window. Dude, have you ever seen fucking rock climbers? That's what he's doing. He's just... Yeah, he probably peed out the window, but he's not going to put his ass out the window. This dude said he didn't need a windshield. He wants rain to keep him awake. I don't think we're disparaging the man's character assuming that he decided to do the window washer.

As I technically call it. So he actually got... He got tired very quickly. I think it was after like four or five hours he's exhausted. Dammit, it was supposed to rain. So he keeps falling asleep. What? How is he not...

I mean, he's like trying to be the first to do this. Hour four is like, God, I am just fucking zarked. What movies they got? He would wake up seconds or possibly minutes later. After many hours he became so sleep deprived that he... Eight hours? Rest up, motherfucker. No, many hours.

After many hours. He became so sleep deprived that he began hallucinating ghosts. Where are the actual pilots? We're really here. Oh boy, here we go. So he's in the ghost hallucination phase. What happened to me when I flew to Australia? I've had, I've totally seen stuff.

I've multiple times seen rodents where I'm like, that's not there. And I'm not going to tell anyone that I saw it either. I'll drive a little freak out I'll have over here. So he found the man to near the coast of Europe, and he knew that when he saw some fishing boats. So he went down low and circled and flew close, hoping he could yell down and ask for directions. Which, my favorite part about this idea is that,

you know, he's probably off the coast of whatever, Spain or something. Or Delaware. This is Delaware, buddy. I can't see. I can't see anything. Hey, were you pissing earlier? I was. I peed all over.

So sorry. That was not great. Sorry. Okay, so wait, you think he just like... Well, he's going to yell now. First of all, just trying to communicate with guys on a boat is really hard. But also the guys on the boat are like, you need directions? Which way is Paris?

Yeah, but now, how do you know they speak English? Like, you're flying me here. There's a lot of, I am not on the side that this makes sense. Do not attack me. What he's doing is illogical. Excuse me. Have you seen Lac de Triomphe? Excuse me.

Fishermen. I'm trying to break a record. Oh, shit. He flew around the ships, but no one was on the decks. And then he kept flying. And then he spotted what he knew from charts was the tip of Ireland. Okay. Which you've ever tried to speak to an Irish fisherman,

even though you speak English, it's not... What does he say? You're not too far, actually. You're going to go outside for a cell. That'll take you round the moats. You're going to be on the longer, but you're going to go too far. You'll see who's going by now. But that's another time for you to allow.

Right? That's right. You go round and find yourself around there. And it'll be when you see the Parisian. Why don't you have a Parisian accent? You'll be able to identify it. It's fucking bananas. You can barely understand it.

Okay, does anybody down there speak English? Don't I speak English? Besides me, we don't speak English down here. You can download my buddy Char. Char, what do you need, mate? Do you have a question? Do you speak English? That's right.

Where are you trying to hit? Trying to get to France. What? Paris? Paris? Paris. That's fine. You're far from it.

But you've got to go this way. Right? Go straight. Right home tonight. And keep going and looking straight ahead. That's your town this time. That's where you see a bit of a motor cloud. That's the one you're after.

But it's not a second one. There's going to be the turn of the fart. That'll be the one you like. You're showing clients to stop by there, when they're trucking you know me. Right? Right there trying to find the area. There'll be a lot of line to see that.

You see the croissant? You've gone too bloody far. And it's not a bit of ending yet. That's going to be fine. You find that? Lie to yourself? Point at the time there. You'll have enough time to have a bit of

what they call a fromage on the baguette. Does anybody down here speak English? Yeah, we all speak in English here, man. I don't know what the problem is. You've got my brother here where he's got a bit of a thick axe I think he can try if he likes. Twenty-four times already. So once he was in Ireland,

once he saw Ireland he knew from charts how to get to Paris. And he landed on May 21st 1927 after flying 55 hours straight. Jesus Christ. Yeah. In a fecal, he splattered planes. Charles, hey!

We need to put toilets on these. Now they knew ahead of time that he was coming in because he had flown over French town. So 150,000 people were there to see him when he landed. He was dragged from the cockpit. Get out of here, you son of a bitch! Beat him! It's a fucking invasion!

He dragged from the cockpit and carried above the crowd's heads for about a half an hour. A half an hour? Is he like, I'm genuinely exhausted though. Five minutes is really great. Half hour's super long. Then people started taking souvenirs from the plane like actual parts of the plane.

There we go. Hey look, I'm taking the plane. As they remember us. Finally, French military pilot soldiers and police pushed him into a hangar. He was an instant celebrity, an American hero. A crowd of 1,000 surrounded his mother's house in Detroit. You do what?

Yeah, that's his mom. That guy came out of her. Show us your vagina. I'm sorry, hold on a second. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You wanna see the gate wide? Shut up. What are you doing?

Stop it. Why else would I be here? Hey, you asshole. She's for a second. No. Look, I don't even know why we came here, but none of us came here for that. Hi, man.

It's my boy. That was you who did that. That was me. That's right. There's no boy. Ah, damn it. I'm gonna have to pay again to see a vagina, aren't I? What was just said?

No. Jesus Christ. Talk about ruining an event. We just want to surround the house to celebrate. Legally, I'm supposed to say that. Shut up. Shut your goddamn mouth. Legally, I'm supposed to say that.

Hey, no, go. I'm a sex offender. Sir. Sir. Sir. Sir, this is just not the event for you. Sir, this is simply not the event for you. This is a sex offender.

Shut up. I've been calling the gateways. Sir. Sir. A little weird guy. Sir. Turn around and leave the event. You've completely ruined it.

You and your fake boy mouth. Don't say, I can see you teeing up another thing to say. Don't say it. Just go. Sir, your mouth is opening and you're taking a breath in. There's going to be more projects. Shut up. Go away.

You've ruined the day. We just wanted to surround the lady's house because her son flew 55 hours to Paris, which is a little weird to begin with, I'll admit. Then you turn it into some sort of pervy sex show. Just go. Look, we'll go if you're not going to go. No, we're not going to go. No, the way you're not.

Leave me alone with the gateways. No. No. No. No. Sir. I love flying. Sir.

Don't turn this into something. No. Emotional. Sir. And here's all I've ever wanted. Sir. I've ever wanted all my life. Sir.

My dream. Sir. My dream. Sir. Sir. Sir. Sir. My dream, since I was a little guy, is to be where Charles Lindbergh was.

Sir. They go to Paris. They go to Paris. No, the first place he went. Sir. Sir. I just gave myself credit. No.

No. Fuck. So the St. Louis Globe Detroit, St. Louis Globe Democrat newspaper said headline whole world rejoices in Lindbergh's glorious triumph. He's flooded with job offers and telegrams. Over 100,000 people sent telegrams. Many were marriage proposals. Sure.

He's just like, I gotta have that. That dude flew. Yeah. That dude flew for 55 hours. He's gotta be great at marriage. Now that's a normal person. Talking about emotional stability. He published an autobiography just two months after making the flight.

Jesus. He attacked pilots as womanizing barnstormers. Okay. He wrote that the perfect relationship was long term with a woman with keen intellect, good health, and strong genes. Man, I'm waiting for this. He thought having children was the most important choice of one's life. One mates not only with an individual, but also with that individual's environment and

ancestry. What are you doing to my piano? Gonna make with the environment before they go to you. Now where are some of your dead relatives? He said he'd been taught, quote, experience in breeding animals on our farm, the importance of good heredity. What? You're talking about a fucking hero right now.

He just had some ideas about breeding that are normal. President Coolidge ordered Lindbergh the Medal of Honor on March 24th, 1928. Congress had to make a special resolution that would allow the Medal of Honor to be given to someone who was not in combat. Okay. And in 1929, and then Rush Limbaugh got it. That's amazing. It's like, it's his baby steps, minor concessions along the way.

In 1929, he met and married Anne Morrow. Sales of Lindbergh trophies dropped immensely after his marriage. Okay. So. Charles was dodging interviews about his personal life. The New York American today printed this phone interview with him. Charles, do you want to know something about the flight interviewer? Not particularly.

We want to know something about your engagement to Miss Morrow. Charles, I can't hear what you say anyhow. I don't like to give interviews about the flying over the telephone. Wait a minute. I'll see if I can get a better connection. And then he never came back to the phone. Yeah, it still works. It was before we had tunnels, but it was like, I've gone through a tunnel.

Let me cut you back in a minute. He took Anne flying everywhere. They went to Canada, Alaska, Japan, and China. Charles and Anne had a baby. Charles Augustus Lindbergh Jr. in 1930. When the baby was 20 months old, on the night of March 1st, 1932, he was abducted from his crib. In the morning, Lindbergh's fountain note threatening to hurt the baby if anything about the note or how the payment would work was revealed.

All the press knew was that there was a $50,000 ransom, and Charles said he would pay it. The note said, dear sir, exclamation point. Fold opener. I made it. I made it, dear sir. Have $50,000 reedy. $2,500 in $20 bills, $1,500 in $10 bills, and $1,000 in $5 bills. After two days, we will inform you where to deliver the money.

We warn you for making any ding public. Any ding, A-N-Y-D-I-N-G, all in one word. Public. Is this maybe the baby doing all this? Sign baby, er, kid, kid, kid nipper. Or for notify the police, the child is in good care, G-U-T-E. That's got to make you feel good. Indication for all letters are signature and three holes.

Wait, what? Sorry. You're reading that. You're like, oh my God. Say that again, please. Indication for all letters are signature and three holes. I guess I'll take a picture of the mouth first. I don't know what it is.

Now, at the time, America is kidnapped crazy. In Illinois alone, over 1931 and 1932, there were 400 kid nappings. Jesus. And 2,000 kid nappings in all of the U.S. So because this is Charles Lindbergh, an insane man, immediately began, like 30 minutes later. Okay? People called in sightings of the babies from all over the country. I saw the baby.

I'm 100% it was the baby. How can you tell? It was a very small baby. It looked like I'm tired. How old was the baby we're looking for? How long has it been? What? How old is the baby we're looking for?

20 months. Oh, this is the baby. It's got to be it. Wow. It had no hair and very little eyebrows and it was in a stroller. This is 100% the baby. Hurry. Hurry, get it.

Get it. It was near my home. I don't know where it would be now. What is this line about? It's a helpline? You know, I was a baby at one time myself. It was a long time ago before we had oats. Oats?

That's right. We used to not have oats. And then when I was a baby, we finally had them. That was a big time. Anyway, you should probably get moving unless you want to hear more about my childhood, which I'm fond about expounding upon. I had very curly hair as a girl. People would always say that I should sell my curls.

But I would never do that. We ended our tower to the state fair to win the blue. Yeah, go ahead. Yes. I'm not sure who you are, but the person you were talking to killed himself. Well, where did you jump in? The curls? They just came in.

I'm actually a parent. I'll start from a little earlier. I've seen the kidnap baby, and when I was a baby, oats were a thing. So the cop in charge, for some reason, gave responsibility to the investigation to Charles. All right, Charles. Where are my hat? Here's my badge. You're in charge now.

I'm going to be you for the rest of the day. That'll be fun, won't it? But being a pilot, he knew nothing about how to run a kidnapping investigation. Really? I would think there'd be a lot of skillset crossover. And this led to huge errors. Footprints near the house with sample evidence was handled by a bunch of different people who were there.

All right, everybody touch it so we know what it is. Come on. I want everyone to get eyes on it. Touch it. Get your spit on it. Tons of mistakes. All leads were dead ends. A reading pencil in the headline, quote, examine truck at reading for a Lindbergh baby, find

beer instead. Is this your son? That's beer, you idiot. Right. We're getting warmer. Should probably crack that open, huh? Absolutely. We're going to drink the baby.

Beer. Sorry. Got the keys again. Work, work, work. That's my mind. Do we get three babies? Three babies. That'll be it.

Over several days, many people were arrested as cops trying to get a lead or a tip. There were wanted posters, photographs, and descriptions all over the continent. Just wanted posters being like, wanted, the kidnapper. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Not pictured here. Here's a picture of a bicycle because we had the room. Again, this is not a bike theft. We're after a baby.

A man, really. Violet Sharp was the British maid of Mrs. Lindbergh's parents. She was interrogated and caught in a series of lies. This made her likely suspect or at least involved in the crime, but she killed herself during the investigation. Oh, shit. After it was learned even if she was involved, she had no ransom money. Some believe she had killed herself being wrongly accused and losing her job.

The cops who interrogated her were accused of using overly harsh tactics. Then Dr. John F. Condon of the Bronx reached out and offered to be the intermediary between kidnappers and the Lindberghs and to throw in an additional $1,000 in ransom. Wait, he would throw you? Wait. He'd toss in an extra one. He's basically saying, I'll pay $1,000 to be the intermediary? Yeah.

Yeah. It's fine. I'll give you $1,000. So let me do it. Okay. I want to talk for you, okay? I'll talk to the kidnappers. First, we've got to find them.

Yeah, that's where we are. That's the hard part. I got this. I'm going to throw out an extra K, okay? Yeah, I guess. They'll come. Okay. So he made this offer.

I'm a baby hunter. I'm a baby hunter. He made this offer by having it printed in the Bronx home news newspaper. See, Ma? It's pretty good. That's your fucking boy. You said I wouldn't be shit, Ma. Pigs too.

I'm going to find a famous fucking baby. I said I'd never amount to shit. That's pretty convincing, I'd say. You're just like your father. You ain't going to be shit. Just a fucking animal. You won't bag them in the paper. That means something.

That means shit. Shit. Now I got to go do it? Shit. It's going to take forever. I don't know what I'm doing. Turn this into Rodney Dangerfield, right? Wow.

Hey, get a load of your kid. Hey, I don't think I need to be an intermediary at all. Intermediary? Hey, that sounds like a six-leaf transparent disease. Hey, I'm back, baby. So, the next day, there was a note with instructions in Condon's mailbox. What? And then Charles Lindbergh signed off on Condon's involvement and to be the intermediary.

Sure, of course. He's got the lucky streak. Condon decided to use his code name, use the code name Jassy. Yeah, but you can't be calling me Condon. People will know. So, we've got to go with something incognito. I'm Jassy. And I can dance.

I'm Jassy. I wear a big rubbery nose and I love to dance. All right? If you need me, honk this horn real loud. I shall cometh. He started communicating with the kidnappers through the press. And then there were a series of meetings in a graveyard with one of the kidnappers who called himself John.

Condon started referring to him as Graveyard John. The man had a thick German accent. At one point, he slipped and said the baby might be dead, but then he covered it up. What? Not literally. No. Okay. They're in a graveyard.

He told Condon he would send the baby's sleeping suit to prove they had the baby. I said, look, we have its pajamas. What else do you need? Could it be more compelling? On the next meetup, Condon gave the ransom money to Graveyard John while Charles waited in a nearby car. Graveyard John then gave Condon a note that said the baby was on a boat named Nelly near Martha's Vineyard.

And a wild goose chase ensued, but in the end, no baby was found. Charles spent hours flying around, searching for the boat. Nothing. A month later, a truck driver found the baby's corpse on the side of a highway. Come on. You know how many babies have died on this podcast? Yeah. This one should be like, baby died.

When you gave, it's normally like, it's like early. You're like, yeah, three of the kids died. So we're like, ha, ha, ha. You're like, we got invested in this baby. How? Because of Jafsey. It only stepped up the stakes. It felt like something good might happen.

The baby only lived 20 months, and they're lucky that he named it. It's a wrong attitude. Yeah. You're wrong. So the cause of death appeared to be blood trauma to the head. It had been 72 days, and the baby had died on the night of the kidnapping. Oh my God. So it turns out that they believed that the guy was going down the ladder and tripped and fell.

You can't, you can't, it's hard to carry a baby when you're falling off a ladder. They teach you that ladder school, that's one of the first things that you learn is don't carry a baby down a ladder. That's crazy. The investigation for the killer went on through 1932 and 1933, and then in 1934, a man named Richard Hoppen was caught using the ransom money. It was marked. Police found 50,000 of the ransom money in his garage and a piece of missing wood from his attic that would be connected to the ladder from the crime scene. Looks like a good amount of evidence. Yeah.

I'm going to take the thing I killed the baby with, just put it in my attic. Keepsake. We're the police there, and then Jatsie ran over like, hey, I think we got it. Looks like we all put our heads together. Cracked this case. You guys want to do a celebration dance? Hi, I'm Jatsie, that's code name, code name Jatsie. What are your code names?

Sorry, why the fuck are you here? My name's Condon, but on this project, I'm Jatsie. You probably heard about Jatsie. Yeah, this isn't a project. This is a murder investigation. That's what I mean, murder. When I got involved, there was a kidnapping. That was about five years ago.

I've been working the case ever since. No, you haven't. Well, I mean, I took a couple of breaks. Sure. You got to take a couple of breaks when you're in an investigation. You're not any, you're not any. Really? Then what does this newspaper headline say?

Whoa, look at that. Somebody was involved with the investigation five years ago. That's on page two. Are you just carrying that around? Yeah, I've got a bunch of them. Do you want one? No. You can take one.

I did comply with some. My fucking mother is just the worst about it. Do you live with your mom? I don't live with her. I mean, I rent an apartment in the basement. It's different. It's not, I pay rent, so it's not living with her. It's renting from her.

I rent from her. I rent. If anything, she rents from me, you know. You know, in retrospect, I should have thrown $1,000 in to the early part of it. Again, Jeff sees the name. Dotting eyes and crossing tees is the game. How much do you pay rent? I pay, well, I'm a little behind right now.

I'm behind a couple of months. I'm behind about a year on rent. But once this kidnapping stuff comes through, I'll be able to pay and get my own place. Well, it's not coming through because of the baby's dad, and it was years ago. You're being a real downer. This is a story about a bachelor coming into his own and your baby is deathing it. Very negative. All right, fine.

Fuck it. I'll go home. I don't care. Thank you. Yeah. We really did it, though, boys. Yeah. Whoo.

I'm this way. Sorry. Excuse me. Excuse me. Sorry. I parked on the other side. I don't have a car. I mean, I parked my bike.

I don't park bikes really. Anyway, all right. Thank you guys. Jeff's out. Real big condo. All right, bye. So, Hotman reviews to confess, he said he was holding the money for a friend. Sure.

So, a third of the ransom money was discovered. There was a good chance there were at least two other people involved. The case is often cited as one of the biggest mysteries of the century. Hotman was found guilty and executed. Many people believe he was innocent, and the trial had issues with planting evidence and witness tampering. Yeah. Well, Dave, we still execute innocent people in this country.

Yeah, we just did it yesterday. Yeah, we did it yesterday and held it. Sorry. We did. We did. It's OK. It's normal. He's a black guy.

Oh, it's so weird that we would kill an innocent black guy. What a weird thing for America. What am I pumping everybody out? Well, yes, is the answer. You don't have to lie to us. That's OK. They'll get theirs. They'll get theirs.

All right, buddy. I think we're all a little concerned now. It's like a dark turn. Charles and his wife struggled, obviously. But they would go on to have five more children. Charles traveled a lot, but he still controlled the family from wherever he was. Joshua Kendall and Slade, quote, he kept track of each child's infractions, which included such innocuous activities as gum chilling.

He gave them tickets. And he insisted that Anne track all of her household expenditures, including every 15 cents spent for rubber bands in copious bank account books. OK. Sure. That sounds cool. Cool. I'll just keep that in the rubber band pile.

They moved to Europe for a bit to get away from the American media. First they lived in England and then France. And in France, Charles befriended a medical pioneer named Dr. Alexi Karel. He was known for suturing small blood vessels and transplanting organs. And Charles wanted to discuss operating on a bad human heart because Anne's sister recently had a heart attack, and her heart was permanently damaged. So Charles had come up with the idea of a heart pump, and he showed it to Karel.

And Karel loved it, and then the two men did research together and published a book called The Culture of Organs. What? It's a weird twist. I haven't been in a heart valve. You just went to lunch. Yeah, it's crazy. So the two men, while they were working together, spent a lot of time together.

Uh-huh. And Karel had some interesting ideas about people. Uh-huh. Quote, there is no escaping the fact that men were definitely not created equal. Oh, fuck, right. Yeah, here we go. He wanted society to eliminate criminals the insane, and anyone who, quote, weakened civilization's foundation.

To Charles... Yeah, let's really be careful on the woo areas. Woojah. This is a weird time to woo. Uh, now Charles was super into these ideas. He was like, you're fucking right, man. And during the late 1930s, Charles became more engaged in politics, especially as World War II began.

Fuck Charles. I don't know why everyone's getting so down on our American hero. Did you hear the deep call in the back? Fuck Charles. So he made two trips to Germany, one in 1936 and one in 1938. In 1936, he was asked by the U.S. to report on the state of Germany's Air Force. He and Anne went, and they were there for a while. They went to the Summer Olympic Games as a guest of Hermann Goering,

who is a really big fucking Nazi. On both trips, he toured factories and flew the very impressive German planes. He was very taken with the German military and the German people, and they convinced no one in Europe could fight off Germany in a war. So did Germany. It turns out that was going around. Yeah, that was like the ego. The map of Germany at that time should have literally been drawn with balls.

On October 18, 1938, he received the service cross of the German Eagle, a civilian medal from Goering. The German Eagle aged well. But news of Germany's persecution of Jews was now filtering out of the country, and many people were disgusted that an American hero was wearing a Nazi medal. When the Nazis invaded Poland in 1939, Charles became an outspoken anti-war voice. He began to increasingly express pro-German sentiments. Which at the time were not great sentiments.

Well, at the time, most Americans were isolationists, who was actually on the side of the majority of Americans. According to his journal, Charles believed that the pressure to get involved was from FDR as an administration. And then he gave a radio address on neutrality in 1939. Quote, we had to fight a European army to establish democracy in this country. It is the European race we must preserve. Political progress will follow.

Racial strength is vital, politics a luxury. If the white race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take our part in its protection. To fight side by side with the English-French and Germans, but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction. So in his mind, the English-French and Germans are all going to get together and fight together. I mean, do you imagine, like, after that radio session, just be like, ah, I think that went pretty good, right, guys?

What the fuck did you just say, ah, ah? You know what I'm just saying, ah? Oh, honey, I finally gave the race speech. I think we're going to be big hit in this country. How did the Marlboro commercial go, dear? Good, got a little riffy at the end. Charles then publicly criticized FDR. No one could beat the Nazis.

But as Germany invaded France, other Americans started to lose their isolationist views. But there was still a huge group of isolationists. They formed a group headed by Cyr Roebuck. 850,000 isolationists. Wait, by who? No. Yeah.

So Cyr Roebuck was impressed by Charles and invited him to join the executive committee of the isolationist group. Oh, good. That's who you want. On September 11, 1941, Charles Boeckin, Des Moines, Iowa, quote, who are the war agitators? The British. The administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Jews.

Jesus Christ. He continued, quote, no person with a sense of dignity of mankind can condone the persecution of the Jewish race in Germany. The greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, our government. Jesus Christ. So Charles had finally crossed a line

and people were fucking furious. Yes, okay, good. When he finally spells it out, but for the two years when it was just like hinting around that he'd be explicit, white people are the greatest. He was called an anti-Semite. His mother-in-law and sister-in-law publicly went on the record opposing him.

It's good when it's nice when people close to people come out and say something like that. Civic groups and businesses cut ties with him completely. We lost Coca-Cola. Over what? And then his name was removed from the water tower in Little Falls, Minnesota. That's the ultimate thinking.

What? That's right. We made a switcheroo. We used to love you when you did stuff like that. And then you went on. You just expounded too much on what you believed, Charles. And what you believed is evil. Look, we're little. The world doesn't see us like regular people at times either.

But the one thing we've learned, no matter what color, crepe, race, size... Size? Size? Gender doesn't matter. It matters what's inside that's important. Which is why we're going to take out your organs. And we're going to wear you as a skin suit.

And we're going to publicly go to the Senate and we're going to retract everything you said. We're going to start by pulling that black heart out of your chest, Charlie. At the time, Dr. Seuss was a newspaper editorial artist. You know, it's good. It's just not fucking crazy. I like it, but what if it rhymed? Republicans is such a boring name. What if you called it the what's nots?

He commented on Charles' views. What cartoon has a man saying, "'Tis Roosevelt not Hitler that the world should really fear than the man is labeled Lindbergh.' He's petting a massive creature that has Nazi swastikas all along its snake-like body and is causing destruction overseas." People began calling Charlie Charles a Nazi sympathizer.

But he would just say he was simply an isolationist. Or simply a Nazi. And yet he kept echoing sentiments of the Nazi regime. He was an advocate of eugenics and believed that our quote, our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology. Oh my god. But I'm not a, but I'm only an isolationist. I mean, I say all the Nazi things.

Having a common love of Nazis, Henry Ford and Charles became good friends. Here it is. You thought it was just the house of Detroit. At the time, Henry Ford had an anti-Semitic newspaper called the Dearborn Independent. And he was a well-known Nazi sympathizer. According to an FBI file, Ford said that quote,

when Charles comes out here, we only talk about the Jews. Hey Charles, would you like to come over and talk about the Jews? I'm on my way. What a fine day we had. Charles got blowback when he publicly proposed that the U.S. should make a distinction between offensive and defensive weapons when setting up an arms embargo with European nations.

He made it clear the U.S. should have no obligation to help France and Britain. He then accused them of taking advantage of American credit in the last, in the last war. Senator Kay, Keith Pittman made a formal statement critiquing Charles' proposal. The most unfortunate part of Colonel Lindbergh's statement is that he encouraged the ideology of totalitarian governments

and his best to the construction that he approved of their brutal conquest of democratic countries through war or threat of destruction through war. President Roosevelt said Charles' isolationist views were similar to the copperheads in the Civil War days. Yeah, and we all know what that means. Keep going. I mean, some people want to come.

I probably want to know what that means. You think some people want to know? I see a couple of puzzle pieces out there. Okay, yeah. Copperheads were... Oh, you're right. Copperheads were also known as peace democrats. They were in the Union and wanted to just make

a peace settlement with the Confederacy. And Republicans started calling them copperheads as in the venomous snake copperheads. That's right. The copperhead, he resigned from the reserves, where he was, at that point, had been a colonel. So this whole time he was doing the Nazi attack, he's still in the army reserves.

Yeah, of course. You definitely have him in the army at this time, for sure. And then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and America was in the war. And that Charles had no choice. The Sheboygan Press. Yeah. Goddamn right.

January 15, 1942. Quote, Lindbergh formally held a reserve commission as colonel, but resigned it last spring when President Roosevelt described his isolationist views as similar to those of the copperheads of the Civil War days. A couple weeks after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh offered to serve in the army in any capacity. We'll drop you as a bomb.

People apparently didn't hold the fact that he loved Nazis against him. See, date and daily news, quote, public favors giving Lindbergh another chance. What? I just told him. Right? But with few exceptions,

person's question in the nation's capital on whether the government should accept Charles Lindbergh's request for active service in the army agreed the former isolationist should be given another chance. Even though public favor was a pagan of letting him serve, the Secretary of War passed on Charles' request to go back to the army. Instead, he went to work for Ford,

making bombers in a Michigan factory. God, that must have been so hard for Henry Ford to make planes to bomb his fucking brothers. Remember, take the explosives out of those guys. No one would pluck things up too much. Nothing. And then Charles convinced United Aircraft to send him to the Pacific as an observer.

But while he was there, he started doing more than that. He began flying planes and then flying combat missions and even shot down enemy fighter. But he still continued to be criticized. An article in the Richmond Times Dispatch in 1943 went over all of his predictions about the war that had already gone completely wrong. In May 1940, Charles said,

quote, no one is going to attack us, no one is in the position to. He also said that the Russian defenses both on the ground and in the air were unbelievably bad. After war, news of the atrocities committed by the Germans shocked everyone. But Charles still wouldn't admit he was wrong about the Nazis.

Oh, my God, dude, get off the Titanic. Good Lord. I'm not angry at the iceberg. He did say he hoped that Stalin and Hitler would destroy each other. Now, Charles still tried to have a voice in politics. Of course. He changed his strict viewpoints on America first

and started to emphasize that American policy from now on should be, quote, complete world preparedness. He would be a paid analyst on our news. Oh, my God, in a second. I'm MSNBC, really. What about Charles Lindbergh? Well, this is what I did. That's great. That's so interesting. What an interesting take.

There's not a big difference between a guy like Charles Lindbergh and a guy like Bill Crystal or David Frome. Yeah. Yeah. But America had clearly moved on from Charles Lindbergh. Nobody cared. His days in politics were over. Many could not forgive him for what he said. So he kept working in aviation. Money to private business.

But then in 1954, Senator Margaret Chase Smith wrote in The Tucson Citizen that Charles had the right to express his views back then due to freedom of speech. Let the Nazis talk. But he did talk. Yeah. She's saying we shouldn't hold it against him. But that's not how it fucking works.

No, it's freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. No, no one holds it against you. That's freedom of speech. No. You can say it, but fuck off if you're saying shit like that. If you're a Nazi and you say Nazi stuff, then I get to punch you in the face. Yeah. And then you say that censorship and I say,

no, I'm a guy punching you in the face. If the government put you in jail, that would be what they're talking about. So that's why I'm punching you in the face. Like, okay, so before the war, you have like pro-white, like Nazi rhetoric. And then the war happens and then you discover all that stuff.

You would think in today's world we would still be affected by the war against the Nazis to where we would not be like, let him talk. But that is still exactly what we do. We're like, well, hear out the Nazi. And no, no, I understand, but for a different take, we go to a fucking Nazi.

Yeah, Nazi should never be allowed to talk. Yeah, that's how you do it. You just go... You have freedom of speech. You just don't have a platform for it. So go to a fucking barn and shout at each other. Well, the whole idea that Nazis should be able to talk because we have freedom of speech,

I don't know if anybody's ever heard of what happened in Germany, but it didn't go that great when they were allowed to talk a lot. We let a Nazi riff for a long time. It was a fucking error. So she wrote this because at the time, President Eisenhower had just commissioned Charles as a Brigadier General

in the U.S. Air Force Reserve, and she was writing to say it was well-deserved. What a hot take. America has no fucking memory. None whatsoever. No. Our memory is so bad we should be running for the Democratic nomination.

Sorry. Got a source? I gotta pull this up. So... Sorry, I just wanna look at something. Oh. There's a great writer, old science fiction writer, Harlan Ellison.

His great quote is, Americans don't know how to hold a grudge. And that's 100% true. David Fromm is now a hero of liberals. He's a fucking monster. Yeah. What liberals will now embrace? George Bush.

Yes, completely. Hold the grudge. You can hate Trump and hate George Bush. I can hate so many people at once. It's fucking crazy. Like, I'm crazy good at it. Hold the fucking grudge. I think you would also argue that, you know,

you don't get one without the other. Like, we keep learning the lesson that we should be horrified by our politicians, and yet we never do anything. And if you notice what that results in, it's just shittier and shittier options every single time, you know, because you keep getting to know the life.

So, Charles then became an executive. I thought we're done. Charles then became an executive for Pan American Airlines, and he got super in a conservation. His main goal became protecting wildlife and natural resources. He often went to the Philippines

and worked preserving endangered species. In 1970, a reporter, John Nance, interviewed Charles in the Philippines, and he reported Charles would spend time with indigenous tribes. Charles, right? He's a fucking Nazi. Charles, quote,

they have things to learn from us, medicines, and so on. They have medicines. This is called robatacin. Robatacin. I love that the idea that indigenous tribes don't have shit to teach us. By the way, the tribes are some... they are like in anti-biotic paradise.

It's just crazy. No, your plants aren't going to do anything for you guys. Robatacin. It comes cough. They have things to learn from us, medicines, and so on, but we can learn from them too. Their simplicity and natural approach to life has roots. A danger in life today as we've gone too far.

Take our cities. This is dissatisfied with the megalopolis life, but doesn't know why it lacks roots. He's just not such thin ice, but whatever he says, you're like, easy, motherfucker. Easy doesn't matter. Easy Lindberg.

Easy Lindberg. We're watching you. You're on the pitch count, buddy. In 1974, 72-year-old Charles Lindberg died from FOMA in Hawaii. America was devastated. Letters of praise and heartfelt grief flooded the press. That's what happens.

You want to save your legacy. President Ford said that Charles would be remembered as a, quote, selfless and sincere man, one of America's all-time heroes and a great pioneer of the age that changed the world. We have no... But again, you see it happening now. Yeah.

Literally, we cannot hold a fucking grudge. No. Think of when H.W. died. Who? George H.W. Oh, he was great. I bet he's grabbing women's asses in the clouds right now. I mean, yeah, I would argue H.W.

was the most evil president we've had in decades. But we loved him. In 2003, three German siblings claimed Charles was actually their father. And they took DNA tests, and it was confirmed. The kids, now all middle-aged, then wrote a book together called The Secret Life of Charles Lindberg. They revealed their entire story

and all their interactions with their father when they were kids. Turns out Charles had an affair with two German sisters he met at a party in Munich in 1957. Now, he met one and started having an affair with one and then started cheating on her with the other. And then he started... You have a great out there, though.

I thought you was the same. I didn't know no better. She has blonde hair, I have brown hair. I thought she was wearing a wig. I didn't know no better. He also was fucking his private secretary. Well, this is all always married to Anne with six kids. Remember his autobiography?

He had criticized pilots and army cadets for being womanizers. He said his ideal romance was long-term. His illegitimate children, though, said he was loving and caring. Astrid, one of his children, said at the time, quote, I am aware that our accusations have tanked the image of an impeccable American hero. But they've also revealed that a man once thought of emotionless and unattainable was in fact a caring and loving father.

Turns out Charles... It means Hitler loved dogs. Turns out Charles had taken frequent trips to Germany to visit his children, but never revealed his true identity to them. One of his other children, David, said his mother seemed content even after realizing Charles was having an affair with her sister. Well, you can see how happy and excited my mother was when she spoke about him.

I can see how intimate they were. Gross. You're right in there, huh, Daddy? David was only told of his father's identity a year after Charles' death and agreed to keep it a secret, but they eventually published a book. And now I think that... I mean, most of us know who is a Nazi,

but I also think that he's mostly known for flying the plane when he should be known for being a Nazi. If you're a Nazi, everything gets wiped off the slate. Well, he's a Nazi that flew the plane. Yeah. No, we have such a soft spot for Nazis. It's just... Well, honestly, it's fucking crazy.

Charles Ford's name should not be on the company. He's a fucking Nazi. The company should be the name. We have, like... Yeah, I mean, now we have, like... Yeah, we just have policies that reflect that with people inside. Yeah, we're kind of the Nazis. We are, like, yeah.

And it's like, there's never much pushback. Like, nah, it's crazy. Feels like the vibe in here is good right now. People don't know, like, you have to go and read, like, 1930s German history to realize how close we are. You know what's a huge part of Nazi? We're in the ramp up. A privatization of public...

of public industry. Anytime they take over public stuff, that's a Nazi thing. Ramp, yeah. And at least the corporate control, which leads to Naziism. Is it the corporation's control of the fucking government? But as it keeps happening, the worse that the shit gets for people, the more the scapegoating happens. That's when you, like, when things start to get bad economically for people,

that's when you start, you are able to go, it's not our fault, we're the government, we're here to help you. It's their fucking fault. And that brings us to why there's a person outside with burning stuff. Because you're... We're literally making a choice right now, and our choice is... What? Fascism?

What? Michigan Primary March 10th. March 10th. March 10th. Michigan Primary. This is the choice you're making. You're not making a choice to return to normalcy, because normalcy is gone, it's never coming back.

You can choose right-wing populism, or you can choose left-wing populism, but if you choose the middle, you're choosing right-wing populism. That's how this goes historically. That's what history tells us. Because I hate to say this, liberals usually join the fascists. They choose you without us. Happen in Brazil, happen in Germany, it happens everywhere. Because you scare the socialism, so you join the bad guys.

Sorry. And that's the traditional historical term. Liberalism, not the American one, which is skewed, fucked up, and ridiculous. Well, we want to thank our sponsor, Nazi Sport Cars. No, it's true. Emily's out there, and there's other ways to figure it out, too. Please vote. Do this shit.

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