The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 461 - Floyd Allen

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Floyd Allen and the Allen Clan of VirginiaSourcesTour DatesRedbubble Merch

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bilingual American History podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my friend. And Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what this topic is about and we say bilingual because this this show is also in Spanish. Espanol. El dollop which is a top-ten podcast in Mexico. That's right. Shootin' the guns, shooting the guns. That's what you do. Tragedy this beginning. When you are experiencing victory. I'd be time to stop. Stop shooting? The podcast? Just this one? We haven't done the

topic yet. Yeah no the whole thing feels like it's over. This episode it's not that because we haven't even done the theme song. That's how wrong you are about. We have a theme song. Perfect throw. I'm gonna do it now. And called it quote his jam-pack. Jam-pack? I'm the fucking hippo guy. Dave okay. My name's Gary. My name's Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to Tick-A-Lick podcast. Okay. This is like an up-five-part coefficient. My room's a place. Now hit him with a puppy. You both present that sick argument. No sleep down hippo. Action part. Hi Gary. No. I sleep down my friend. No. No. Ronda. Ronda in the park.

July 20th, 1887. Great time. This is so not it. Okay that's a first. I think you should keep that in. Why did it pull up the wrong document? This is our first switcheroo. July 5th, 1856. Oh my god. All right not too far off. No it's not. The head you can see why I was confused because it's too gentlemanly Floyd. Honestly you could just keep it from the first one. I don't think I'd. Yeah that's all this. I'm not coming at you. Floyd Allen was born in the town of Kana which I probably should have looked up because someone's gonna say it's Kana. Kana. In Carroll County, Virginia. His father. His father Jeremiah fought in the Civil War for the Confederates and he

also became a prominent landowner farmer and held political offices. Okay. They were a very wealthy family. He became a prominent, Jeremiah became a prominent landowner farmer. He held political offices. He was also a big moonshine producer and there we go. He was known in the county for fist fighting and not being able to handle any slight against him. Well that's just the condition of someone who moonshines. Yeah yeah. Like that's just that all that saying is this guy's been drinking moonshine. He's got a quick temper and his speech is slurred. He can't balance well but he always wants to duel. It's really part of the

business. Like when you want to go into moonshining they're like can you handle slights and you're like no they're like we think you're gonna love our company. You're gonna enjoy it a lot over here. A very large family. Three girls and seven boys. Okay. Floyd was the second oldest. Now Floyd's temper was so bad as a child that his mother had to tie him up with a rope on more than one occasion. Jesus Christ that is. That's how you handle that. Get a treacherous child like a bandit. You gotta tie him down. Sometimes you gotta teach him like a wild pig you know. You gotta rope him up and. I wish

Floyd had pulled out on old. I wish. Wait what's. Wait never mind. No I don't mean. No what's my Jeremiah. That's what I meant. Freudian slip. I don't have a thing for Floyd. This is crazy. I'm not tying him up in some sort of kink. What are you talking about? The Allen's as a clan enjoyed individuality. The original settlers in the area grew their own food made their own goods dependent on themselves and some close neighbors. They just didn't understand how to do it. The white way. Out of this came an almost religious love for freedom and an incredible self-confidence. So just the individual rugged individual type sort of

setup. Sure. Federal government was backed but also loathed when it did things like tax whiskey. Right. The locals saw their refusal to obey such laws as completely justified. So people just basically were like ignore the whiskey tax because such BS. If it was something they didn't like to like fuck that that's absolutely not happening and I'm right. I wish we dealt with laws like that now. Yeah. The Allen family seemed to hold on to their feverish independence longer than most people in the area. So at this point it's fading away a little bit compared to other people, other families. But they're still

they're still really hanging, hanging tough. So Floyd became a farmer, a storekeeper, sometimes politician also in Carroll County. He also dabbled in moonshine and was said to be very generous. Okay. So he's doing a lot. Generous with people he liked probably. He also had stints as a constable and a deputy sheriff. So he was a resume. Throughout the story sometimes he'll be a constable or a deputy sheriff and sometimes he won't. And it was too hard to get. He sounds like an extra in this story. He could do anything. He could be a doctor in the background. He could be a constable. He could be a window washer. He

does dogs. He could play a dog. Very convincing dogs. Oh, that's Floyd. Good boy. Loves to act. Oh, he must smell some talent. Larry really freaks out when I bark, by the way. That's good. Yeah. He doesn't he doesn't understand. Like I'm trying to talk to him on his level and he just gets weirded out. Yeah, it would be weird. So the Allen's were staunch Democrats. They were also well known for violence. Okay. And it's mostly Republican County. The area therein means more Democratic, but, you know, the that's more Republican. Okay. Many Allen's over the years held office and a lot of politicians owe the Allen family

for their support over the years. So they had sort of like a capital. Yeah, they had they had a group of people who did their bidding throughout, you know, the area. Okay. In the late 1880s, Floyd, his brother, Sydney, it's so this is weird. S. I. D. N. A. But I was watching a video and someone said that's pronounced Sydney. Mm hmm. Sure. But we're gonna call him Sid because some people call them Sid. Let's just get past all that. Sure. And then they had another brother, Garland. So Floyd, Sid and Garland. We're not happy that a railroad was being planned to cut through part of the county. So they went to a meeting to discuss

the railroad. The whoever was putting the railroad together and the brothers went and they threw rocks at the railroad rep, leaving him quote considerably bruised and beat up. Okay. Good. That is much a much more effective way than making people wait in line to just go up to a microphone. That's right. I like council meetings. If you could just heave rocks to show just just well, what what's better when you go up and you say, look, I think if you put this railroad through our county, it'll split the county into it'll it'll create a lot of factions and friction. Or if you just stood up and rocket someone's head, one, you just

go, oh, that's just not how we see it. The other guy. Oh, Jesus Christ, get I have to go. All right, fine. The railroad rep tried to bring legal action against the Alans, but he threw rocks at the lawyers. That's right. He had a hard time finding a lawyer. Right. One refused to work with him because he lived close to the Alans and was worried they would kill his stock and burn his house down. Geez. So this is quite a reputation. After another lawyer agreed, the railroad rep came back and said he was dropping the case because the Alans had quote made a demonstration against him. So they I mean, they basically like this guy was

like, they're going to kill me. Yes. That's right. Right. In May, 1889, Garland and Sid were arrested for assaulting a group of 13 men. Okay. So they they attacked 13 men and they got arrested. Right. It's like double dragon video game. I mean, it's like any video game where there's just two characters and you fight everyone else. That's right. But then when you do it, you do the thing where like you're fighting one guy, but then in the background, there's another 10 guys just standing there like when it's my shot to get in instead of all just gang tackling. I've seen it over and over again. Yeah. The two brothers refined a

total of $5 worth it. Floyd was also arrested for assault around the same time, but the prosecutor declined to prosecute. Garland said Floyd's biggest fault was his quote uncontrollable temper. It seems like it's his greatest asset. Yeah. It seems like everybody's like you can't do anything to him. He's like Superman. He's crazy. He'll kill you. He's from Krypton. He's got a hell of a temper. No, no, no, you don't want to mess with that guy. He's got suit rocks. Uh, by the time, uh, Floyd had reached adulthood, his temper was legendary in the county. That's good. So he grew, he grew with it. Yes. Not out of it. That's

right. A federal tax agent once stopped Floyd's wagon and said he had an a warrant to inspect it for moonshine. Can we just also talk about the power that you had as a tax agent back then? I'm going to pull over the wagon for tax problems. Why are you making that noise with your mouth? You wonder what pulled you over? No, I'm wondering about the noise you're making with your mouth. Can I see a 1040 or a W two for me, please? Yes. Here you go. There's my 1040. Here's my W two. Okay. I signed that. Floyd, huh? Yeah. Interesting. You have any write-offs in the car with you tonight? What are you

guys doing? What are you guys getting up to? I have two write-offs. I'm having a business dinner with a friend. Interesting. And I also bought a book for research. Step out of the wagon, please, sir. I don't want to make this any harder than it has to be. Can't. I'm an accountant, so I'd love it if you would. Oh, maybe that's where the mix-up is. I'm actually a murderer. Oh, all right. It's not my job. I just do it on the side. It's like a... So it's not a profession. You would not have that listed on any of your tax tax. No, no. A profession. I'm a moonshiner, but then my secondary is I kill people, particularly federal people. Ah, it's the

holidays. Might be a nice guy and let you guys go. All right. But don't be write-off anything extra tonight, okay? Okay. All right. As you were, by the way, one of your taillights doesn't exist, so... So this is what actually happened. Oh, sorry. Floyd asked if the federal agent had a warrant, and he did, and he looked at it, and then he said, this here paper entitles you to go into that wagon, but it don't say nothing about you coming out. Jesus Christ. And then... So just a very simple murder pitch. And then the tax agent left. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't. Well, I guess I'd price you an enter if I can't leave. Take care, Floyd. Good stuff,

everybody. Take some of this money, would you? In February 1898, there was tension, a lot of tension between Floyd and his brother Jack. And then their father died, Jeremiah died, and Sid had been... He was made the main estate administrator, but Sid had other plans. Sid was... He had gold rush fever. He wanted to go to Alaska and then Hawaii, which I don't know how Hawaii fits in, but he wanted to go to Alaska to mine and then go to Hawaii. So he withdraws as the administrator. He's like, I'm out. I'm not gonna do that. And then Jack, and then Jack becomes the administrator of the estate. Now, his dad had moonshine. When he died,

there was moonshine on the estate that hadn't been sold. Okay. And then Jack didn't have it appraised. Okay. So this made Floyd... It's amazing to think of someone appraising moonshine. I know. I know. Oh, that's really bad. It's $100. Wow. God damn that burns. So Floyd is furious and the two brothers anger... So there's already tension now. It's just full blown anger. And Floyd sues Jack. Okay. And then a court date is set. So while they're waiting for the court date, in June 1998, a cousin, car Allen, was shot and killed. Car? Car. C-A-R-R. Car. There's no cars yet. So... Oh, right. Okay. Right. Fair. In my head, there's cars. I mean, it's one of those

things like, can you imagine like your name is car and then they invent cars? This really messes with me. No, my uncle, automobile Anthony had the worst fucking time when cars came. Yeah. That's like a great uncle skateboard Reynolds. So he gets killed by these two brothers. One of the two brothers, who it was believed actually shot the gun, was taken from... They were both arrested. And so he gets taken from the local jail the night before the grand jury is convening. A local wrote, quote, the next morning, as I went to my office, his body was lying in full view of the courthouse in front of the jail. Court sat and charged the

grand jury but made no reference, whatever, to the lynching. So... What? There's two brothers that are supposed to be, you know, a part of this grand jury investigation. Right. And one of them gets killed and then they don't even talk about it. They just hold the grand jury hearing. They only talk about the other brother. What? The court set bail for the alive brother. The only record that came close to mentioning the killing was an expense report. T.J. Burnett was paid for, quote, one night guarding Mack and Andrew Hallett. So the guy guarding the jail got paid for guarding the jail when he allowed the Allens to come and take

the brother and kill him. What kind of weird avoidance? That's like how like a parent, like it's like a person in total denial of, like, how is that even possible? Yeah. I mean, nobody is like, should we talk about car? What about dead guy in the street? That's a dead guy. So one of them's dead. Should we... I don't see, I don't see the relevance in this case as to one of the defendants dying. Also, I have this expense receipt. Oh, this is relevant. This will work with. I guarded the Mack, the guy, dead guy, I guarded him, but also the other guy, the alive guy I guarded too.

That's pretty good. Pretty good. That's a half. Yeah. So the case over their father's estate went to trial in October 1899. Now, I don't know what happened because what happened after kind of took the attention away. A known newspaper quote, Floyd Allen shot first, the ball striking his brother Jack Allen in the forehead, glancing around the skull, making a painful, though not serious wound. Floyd was shot three times, once in the arm, one time in the leg, and a third shot entering the left side of the body, the latter being the most serious shot fired during the difficulty. So they just shot each other? Yeah, I believe out in the

street after the verdict, whatever happened, they shot each other. Yeah, so the verdict, they did not enjoy the verdict. They did not agree with the verdict. So they just took it to the streets to shoot each other. Well, I feel like the verdict didn't, it didn't settle the issues, so this is... Doesn't sound like it settled it, at least for one or two parties. So Floyd battled for life for several weeks. At one point it seemed like he'd taken a turn for the worst, so he sent for Jack to make peace with Jack. He quote, before he quote, crossed the divide. So Jack comes, very sadly, and he approaches Floyd's bed, and when Floyd looks over and sees Jack sniffling, you

know, holding in the tears, Floyd reached under his pillow and grabbed his gun, and tried to shoot Jack. But another brother stepped in, and he grabbed Floyd's arm before he could shoot. That's why you have ten kids. Floyd ended up recovering from his wounds anyway. What an amazing move. Jack, I need you to come here. I want to, I want to bury the hatchet and make peace. Oh brother, I don't know, I can't believe I almost killed my brother. My brother's almost dead. You son of a bitch, I'll kill you. Wait, Jack, Floyd! You're the worst deathbed guy ever. I don't have the energy to kill you. So after they both

are better, they're both charged with assault. Okay, great. But again, it's the county court, the Allens are part of the power structure, so the judge declared it had been a family quarrel, seemed settled, and said they were both not guilty. You know, the more that I look at the facts from the trial, the more it just seems like a bit of a goof. It's goofy also. It seems like if a couple of brothers would shoot each other, then they would shoot a judge. So I'm gonna go with your goof. Great, your goof. A total goof. This is just, we're chalking this up to a bit of a goof, and that's all it is. And so it's just two

brothers who goofed, and that's all this is. And if anyone else wanted to do this, it would be a crime. But this is just, and I hate to keep saying it, a classic goof. It is just a big, it is a big goof. So that'll be recess, and there'll be no murdering in the streets after this. They're leading to another goof. Such just big goofs. So that's that. Alright? There we go. Bagging the gavel. So Ford became the patriarch of the family. Sid comes back from Alaska. He spent nine months away. He builds a mansion that quickly, right after his finished burn down, and then he collected the insurance money and

built a much smaller house. Okay, what a run. So did he get a bunch of gold then? No, I couldn't figure it out. I think he just, but remember they're already rich. Like they already all have money. In 1901, there were several black men walking to their jobs at a nearby mine, and they passed by Floyd's home. Now there's different reports of what happened. I found like four newspaper stories. They're all different. One just said Floyd went out to confront them. Sure. How dare they? Another said the men randomly started shooting for no reason. Now I'm gonna say that one. Let me guess which one leans closer to

reality. I'm gonna say Virginia 1901. I'm gonna say black dudes probably not randomly shooting for fear of murder. Hey, you know what's not hard enough? Life. Yeah. So either way, Floyd confronted the group. He said one man pulled his gun first, and Floyd shot him and killed him. Sure. But he's also definitely believed that too, right? He's a constable at this point, and he also killed the black dude, so nothing happens. Right. He investigates himself later at the house. Yeah. Oh, I looked into it, and I'm actually fine. All right, all right, then. I understand you were in the street earlier having a confrontation. That's right. It

was officer. Well, oh, well, sounds like you shot him completely unprovoked then, didn't you? No, not really. He pulled the pistol first. Oh, well, sounds like we've crossed the T's, dotted the I's, the investigation's closed. As you were, my friend. Thank you, Constable. And don't take me, take yourself, yeah. Do you see that guy just talking to himself? What's going on over here then? Don't worry there with me. So in 1904, there was a change in the court system. It was now controlled from the outside by the state government. Mm hmm. So this would make it more difficult for the Alans to get away with crimes. Right. Now, that year when

Floyd's brothers was selling his farm and Floyd, Floyd wanted to buy it, but they couldn't settle on a price. And then a guy named Coombs swooped in and agreed to pay the asking price. At the same time, he ignored Floyd. Floyd had told him to quote, not but in. Okay. So Floyd shot Coombs. Sure. Sure. Coombs did not die, but Floyd was arrested for assault. And in town, you are. What do you mean? I didn't do anything. Oh, not this time. I'm not for that again. But you're me. Oh, that logic never gets you anywhere. Does it should have fought back before you put what in sort of it might? So in court, the prosecutor asked the judge to disarm Floyd,

because quote, if he was convicted and given either a penitentiary or jail sentence, he would not hesitate to resist. On what grounds? Oh, never mind. All the shooting people, the shot, right? Right. Yeah. Sure. Yep. Fair enough. He shot a bunch of people. The judge refused because that would let men like Floyd think that the courts were scared of them. I gotta love that. The legal systems posturing. Uh, your honor, I would like to say we are scared of them. So. Maybe we should. We're not. We will not back down. No, we're not. We will get shot. We will get killed. No, that's actually what skinned. We will get hung up. We

will. They could turn us into flags and put them over the mansion at half mass for all we care. We will not back down. I want to back down the court now. Hold on. We're in this together. The court is also instituting a glass jar that the judge will be in. We will not back down. We will not let these tactics of fear sorry. Our conviction was the jar was going to put a jar over me and then they'll put some holes in the top so I can breathe. Just this is just legal jargon for a jar jargon. That's fun. But we will. The point is the conviction of the law and the court and the people who represent it are stronger than the

will to deter those from believing in these important institutions. Screw it on real tight. That's good. All right. I feel good in here. That's good. Yeah. I don't think anything's getting through there. It's a glass. And I'll be armed too. I'm sorry. It's hard to hear through that. It's a glass jar. This jar is glass. Yes. This is a glass jar. Yes. Do you not think that bullets can go through glass? Well, can they? Yes. Yes. Are we sure? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. Well, well then then maybe it's time for us to back down until a containment unit for me is found that works and stops bullets. Let's start

there. Who knows what stops bullets? Raise your hand and I'll call on you like a school. Yes. Up front. Bone. Okay. That's a dark pitch. What I'm after. Yes. Over there. The lady with the deep voice. Hard to shoot through cows. So I would say meat. Good. Good. All right. I think I've heard enough. I will conduct business from inside of a cow. There we go. There we go. Great. Order convened. Good. Thank you. So anyway, I just want to pay my parking ticket. You're gonna have to wait until I get inside of one of these cows. Okay. How to do that. So Floyd's defense attorney was the judge who had found Floyd and Jack not guilty of shooting

each other. So this whole story is like incestuous life. Yeah. I'm the judge, the defendant and the prosecuting defender. So Floyd was convicted of the assault, but he was given just a hundred dollar fine and an hour in jail. Yeah, that'll he and I'll tell you an hour he will remember. But he refused to spend the hour in jail and he doesn't have to. It'll be quite damaging. He appealed the sentence immediately and then posted bail. We're willing to meet at five minutes. Then the next time he appeared in court, he revealed the governor had pardoned him. Oh, God. Jesus Christ. So it, I mean, yeah, okay. So it's, yeah, it's

it's a good system to find a government on. That's right. So Floyd also forced Coombs, the guy he had shot to pay the hundred dollar fine. Yeah. And he also gets my balls around his neck forever. Such a Dick Cheney move. Yeah. Yeah. This drove home for many that the Allen's had a different set of laws that they live by author GMN Parker quote, Carol County had two governments, one by the county and one by the Allen clan. So that same year, a constable went to Sid's home and served him with papers in a civil case. So Sid hit the constable in the head with a block of wood. It feels like the constables aren't respected. So it's an

elected position, the constable. So but so but again, it doesn't matter what you're elected to wood hurts. Yes, but assume that that constable is a Republican and he's Democrat. Right. Because that's all the stuff is working. So right. He's tried and arrested for assault, convicted and given a hundred dollar fine. Man. The judge who served in Carroll County courtroom from 1904 to 1908 said this about the Allen's quote, several of them at that time were rated as very bad dangerous men. Floyd Allen was perhaps the worst of the clan overbearing, vindictive, high tempered, brutal, with no respect for the law and

little or no regard for human life. Okay, okay. Well, let's come across so far. He went on to say Floyd got out of all of his arrest because witnesses were afraid to testify. Right. In 1910, Sid was arrested for counterfeiting gold coins. Sid claimed his friend and employee was making the counterfeit coins on a plating machine. Sid had bought, but he didn't know anything about it. Always how it works, too. Isn't it how it works? Yeah, it's the rogue employees. Yeah, like you buy a nice coin plating machine and then when your employees plate some coins and then one of your dirty, dirty, delinquent employees decides he's going to use it

for gold. Right. I was doing it for a hobby. That was not what it was intended for. This was just a sweet escape. The man who enjoyed making coins, legit coins. So he had been using these coins all over the country. I'm not sure if he did it when he went on that trip, but the prosecution brought 30 witnesses from all over the county to testify against it. So he's got so 30 fucking people a lot. Yeah. A local reporter called it, quote, the most grueling examination ever heard here. Since employee, his friend was found guilty and got five years. Sid was found not guilty. Well, but from what I heard early, Dave, that actually lines up with

what I heard early. This employee just took it upon themselves to just do this. Disgusting. Then the prosecutor, he's called something else here, but the prosecutor filed perjury charges for his witness testimony in the trial and for that he was found guilty and then he appealed and was given a new trial date. I mean, they literally... Sid's given a new trial date. Yes. They are found guilty and then right there they go, I appeal and the judge goes, yeah, sure, okay. Yeah, okay. That's a good move. More people should do that. In the summer of 1911, Floyd was in Mount Airy, North Carolina and he got into a brawl in the

middle of the street. A cop named Cody arrested him and Floyd was fined $25. A little while later, Floyd ran into the cop in Carroll County and beat the shit out of him. Okay. A month after that, Floyd was back in Mount Airy on business and he's riding out of town when someone hails him. Hey, Floyd, he turns. Cody already has his gun out and he shoots. The first shot just hit Floyd's clothes. What? This, well, you know, like to the side. Yeah. Like your jacket or fabric. Sure. Fabrics. The second shot hit a revolver that Floyd kept in his breast pocket and saved his life. Jesus Christ. Now, that was what Floyd said. Cody said

Floyd accosted him on the street because he had arrested someone in the Allen clan and Floyd had gone for his gun first. Now, they go to trial and at the trial, Cody's lawyer puts Floyd on trial as a dangerous man, bringing up all of the fights he's had and the shootings. And Floyd was known to brag at this point that he'd been shot 13 times. But he explained every incident away and said it was all justified. He never started anything. Cody was found guilty and got five years. Wow. Floyd had to plead guilty to carry a concealed weapon because it had saved his life. Right. He was fined $25. Jesus Christ. So at this

time, farmers had like get-togethers when their corn crops came in where men would come, they'd have like a big party and the men would go out the barn and have like corn shucking contests. Sure. It's called a housing bee. So in this, if a young man shucked a corn cob and there was a red kernel in it, that meant he could kiss the girl of his choice before dinner. Like corn mistletoe? It's like rapey corn. Like it's yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the way, yeah. What does she think? Well, no matter what she think, you found a red kernel. You do what you want, boy. Yeah. I choose to kiss you. Can I kiss one of the sheep?

All right, Gabriel, hurry up. All right, that's enough. That's enough, boy. That's enough, boy. You didn't say how long. You didn't say how long. Jesus Christ. So he decides on the girl to kiss. Now that girl is at the time being courted by another guy. Sure. Wesley Edwards. This is the kid who gets the red kernel. Now Wesley Edwards is part of the Allen clan. His mom married an Edwards. So sure. He's an Allen. He kisses the girl. So the guy is mad. Sure. Yeah. And by the way, the girl probably felt something, but there's no record of that. That's right. There is absolutely none. I did look for that if the girl had any opinion on whether or not

she was. And history has forgotten what she thought. That's right. The next day, Wesley Edwards was in church. His, his, uh, Garland, Uncle Garland, Floyd's brother is now a Reverend. Okay. Um, and he's doing a service and he gets called out of church. So I guess these kids, the other boy came and started yelling on him from outside. So he goes out and he gets into a fist fight outside the church with the boy is courting the girl. And then Wesley's brother said runs out and joins in the fight. And then afterwards, the Edwards brothers are charged with assault and interfering with worship. The other boys are not. God, I mean, it's getting

a little, I mean, it's, it's brash. It is. And it's because the Edwards are Democrats and the other boys are Republicans. And right now Republicans control the prosecuting, uh, the prosecution and office and everything else. So, uh, when the Allen's hear about the indictments, they're pissed and Floyd tells the boys to go to Mount airy, which is in another state. It's in North Carolina out of jurisdiction. So the Florida cops can't get them. So the boys go there. Now the Allen's believe the boys are being prosecuted strictly because of politics being Democrats. They, the Allen's have long standing

feuds with Republicans. One Republican was amazing for them for once for one time for them to be like, well, the system is bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. No, we know. We know. So one of the Republicans is Dexter Goad. He had run for clerk and the Allen's not only opposed him, but Floyd and some other Dems signed a complaint saying he cheated. Goad also said the Allen's and Democrats got people drunk to win votes. So they just hate each other. It's just other sides of the aisle. And that's just campaigning. And that's just good old campaigning. Anytime he ran, the Allen's would try to stop him. And the Allen's

had held different offices. Floyd had been elected constable, supervisor, appointed deputy sheriff, Jacob and constable and Jack's son ran for Commonwealth attorney, but was beaten by a guy named William Foster. And the Allen's really hated Foster. Okay, Floyd and Foster had actually gotten into a fistfight years before because of their political differences. And Floyd Floyd beat up Foster, of course. Right. But from then on, Floyd and Foster sworn enemies and Foster, being the Commonwealth attorney, he is the one who filed the charges against the boys. Okay. So the Allen's blamed Goad and

Foster for the charges. Sure. Yeah. Well, it was about time, though, for someone to actually get prosecuted. Yeah. So even though it's out of their jurisdiction, the sheriff sends two deputies, Peter Easter and Pink Samuels. Jesus. Together we're Pink Easter. Deal with it. That's right. On an all new episode of Pink Easter. Badass cops. I'm Sheriff Easter. And I'm John Pink. And together we are Pink Easter. Come out of the building with your hands up. I don't know why. I mean, seriously, because of our names. I mean, Pink is a surname, but the fact that it's you name your kid, the first name Pink, it's a rough one. This is Pink

because of his skin. And this is Blotchy, his brother, also because of his skin. So he sends these two sheriff's deputies down to arrest the Edwards boys. And they do. And on the way back, for whatever reason, they tie the boys to the wagon post. So they're forced to walk the whole way back, right? Okay, right. Now, some say they just happened to pass by Floyd's house. Others say they did it on purpose to rub it in. Sure. Either way, Floyd was pretty fucking mad when he saw his nephews quote, trust up like hogs. So the two deputies say they were then attacked by Floyd Sid and Jack's son. Floyd said he

requested they release his nephews. And when they didn't, he took their guns away and untied the boys. The deputies said they were attacked at gunpoint and beat. So two different stories. I think we know who's probably right. Right. But I think Floyd, Floyd has been a lawman or is a lawman at this point. Anyway, he brings the boys the next day to court to, to, you know, stand up against the charges. Sure. So it's not like he, it's not like he broke them out of custody and then and then was like run free on the lamb, right? Which goes to his point that they were being mistreated. Like there was no reason to have him, you

know, tied up and walking behind the. Yeah, right. Yeah. But when he gets there, Floyd is arrested as is Sid and Jack's son. So now God is the guy who puts together the jury lists. And Floyd is told that God could get a jury that would acquit if Floyd started supporting God politically. Okay. Okay. So Floyd responds to that by swearing out a warrant against Deputy Easter for shooting at him when he took the boys away from the wagon. So when he attacked the wagon, he said Deputy Easter shot at him. So now he's swearing a warrant to get that guy arrested. Okay. Which is going against the previous offer. Yeah,

I mean, none of it. Yeah. Oh, it's definitely going against previous offer. He's not doing that. Right. So while all this is going on, the judge in Floyd's trial, the judge who's been appointed to oversee Floyd's trial, Judge Massey. Judge Massey? Massey. Where's that gavel? God damn it. Where's my robe? I swear my head if it wasn't screwed on, I just, oh, there's got syrup all over these files somehow. I had waffles in here earlier and they just, now it's on my face. Now I've got syrup on my eye. I can't find my robe. I've got no gavel. There's syrup all over my, this is just another classic case for Judge Massey,

followed by Pink Easter. So Massey tries to appoint Floyd as a special police officer to keep the peace at a damn construction site that is happening. So while all this is happening, he's like, you would be a good cop, right? On a side note, would you like to work together on another project? So Jack C's deputy, Pink Samuel's on the street in Hillsville and he demands to know why the deputy charged his son. The deputy says he's taken as much shit from the Allens as he was going to take. And then deputy Samuel starts backing up and reaching for his gun and Jack tells him to take his hand off the gun or he's

going to kill him. And then deputy Samuel's ran away. They're both cops. They're both cops. Jack is a constable. Right. The same as a cop. It's two cops. Yeah. Right. The sheriff and a, and a, so rumor was also out that Floyd sent word that he would kill Samuel's if Samuel's testified. So court date comes. Pink Samuel's does not show up as a witness. So the trial gets postponed. It gets postponed a couple times because Samuel's isn't showing up. And then the deputy, and then the judge reprimands Floyd and Jack for intimidating witnesses. And he threatens to bring in the state military to maintain order if

the deputies couldn't handle it. Now Floyd's not happy being talked to like this. And he was heard to later say he quote would not let any man talk to me that way. Oh boy. Even though he's a judge, it's like his job to talk to you that way. Yeah. But he's like, no, the man was judging me the whole time. So the trial happens on March 12, three weeks, three weeks before Foster receives a letter telling him he would die if Floyd is found guilty. Right. So the guy, the, the, the prosecuting attorney get death threat. That makes my job difficult. This is quite a predicament they've put me in. So Foster

repeatedly tells the judge that the Allens would do anything to avoid justice. And he shows the letter to the judge and asks for more armed deputies to be at the trial. Judge is like, no, we're not doing that. Quote, I think that would show cowardice on our part. And again, that is what we're fighting here. We want to look good in the long run, dead or alive. So they're all carrying guns into the court now, the prosecuting attorney go, they're all now they're all armed. And so are the Allens. The Allens are just always. So this is great. So Floyd's lawyer was now the same judge who was too scared to act as

the railroad guys attorney. Okay. That's my favorite part of this. Yeah. So the jury, the jury cannot reach a verdict on the day of the trial. So the judge has them sequestered in a hotel and the next morning, they're gonna, they're gonna say their verdict. So 100 people come and they just pack the courtroom. There are a lot of Allens there, mostly in the back. At 8 30 am, jury comes in and reads the verdict guilty. And they give him a year in prison and a thousand dollar fine. Wow. So he asked for an appeal and the judge says no. What the fuck? No, that's how we do this. That's when I get to pay $25 and leave. And then

the judge tells the sheriff to take Floyd away. Now, Floyd stands up, moves about five feet away from his lawyer. Lawyer says he looked like a guy who was about to say something, but wasn't sure what to say yet. And then Floyd said, quote, gentlemen, I ain't a going. That's not an option, sir. Now, there's different stories of who did it first. But it's uncertain. Is it someone shot? Okay, then all hell broke loose. The Allens all over the courtroom in the back over to the side, all pull their guns and start shooting. God Foster and all the deputies and the sheriff pull their guns and start shooting spectators.

Fucking screaming, running out, jumping out of windows. Floyd gets shot in the pelvis first. He falls on top of his lawyer, who is now crouching down. He falls on top of them and then keeps shooting in a laying position on top of his lawyer. And the lawyer, lawyer yells at him, quote, Floyd, they're going to kill me shooting at you. That's the last person you want laying on you. All right, we're in this together. No, get off of me. We're a team. We're like picking Easter. It's hard to say who with all these bullets flying, but the judge is shot first in the

chest. Oh, blood's everywhere. Classic judge, messy. Floyd is making his way to the back of the room, making his way. Excuse me. Foster is shot six times and staggers toward the jury room where he falls and dies still clutching his gun. Jesus. Sheriff Webb, who was obviously walking towards Floyd, was shot very quickly and killed several times shot. People, like I said, they're jumping out of windows. One man from the jury said he heard an Alan say, I'll get that son of a bitch as he jumped out a window and then he was shot from behind as he ran. Wait, he someone someone jumped out the window and they just chased him to kill

him. You mean he just shot him out from the window. A guy leaps out the window and then Alan goes over and shoots him because he was on the jury. Right. Sure. The gunfight then moves out into the street. Sure. The Allen's go outside. They're now hiding behind a Confederate soldier statue while reloading their guns. Do you think someday they'll take monuments like this down? I don't know. Goad now has been shot in the mouth and the bullet went out the back of his neck, but he still manages to run out and keep shooting and he's part of the gunfight outside. He shoots. He shoots both Floyd and Sid. The Allen clan makes

their way for this stable and they get on their horses and they take off, but not Floyd because he's now two injured. He's been shot in the pelvis, the knee and the thigh. So his son Victor takes him to the Elliott Hotel where they hide inside of a room. So inside the courtroom, Judge Massey, Sheriff Webb, Foster, the jury foreman are all dead. Jesus. The judge told the bystander, quote, Sid Allen killed me just before he died. A 19 year old female witness was also shot. She was in the what's it called the galley or gala, whatever gallery. Sure. She just gets up and walks home and dies the next day. She's like 19. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, probably

no one. I don't want to be rude and ask anyone to help. I'll just walk it off. Where do you live? About a day away. You're bleeding a lot. It'll work out. I'll just get home at some point. Figure it out. Taxi. No, it doesn't matter. Oh, now sure is cold. Now, the thing about the Sheriff Big Dead is that's actually a pretty big problem because the law in Virginia says that when a sheriff dies, all his debt, a new one emerges from the hills like the Dalai Lama. No, the opposite. All of his deputies are no longer deputies. So anybody he deputized is now no longer. And what kind of crazy video game shit is that they have to

wait to elect a new one? All right, boys, the plan is this, we are no longer deputies, but once we have a free and fair election in the next six months, we can pick this back up until then we are shot at as regular citizens. Any questions? Right? So there's no there's no law in the town except right, Jack, who's a constable, but Jack is Jack is immediately fired because he's an Alan, right? So so now there's really no law at all. There's no law, right? The assistant clerk of the court sends a telegram to the governor, quote, send troops to the county of Carroll at once mob violence court, Commonwealth

attorney, sheriff, some jurors and others shot on the conviction of Floyd Allen for a felony sheriff and Commonwealth attorney dead court series. Look out for this now. So was it a singing telegram? It was delivered by unfortunately, they did check the singing box. There's been an outbreak of violence in the courthouse down there, and we're going to need some deputy soon. So yeah, so everyone's freaking out. The deputies take off like they're like, well, we're not deputies now. We're not sticking out for the show. Yeah. The people in Hillsville are scared that the Allen's are going to come back and

kill all of their enemies. Sure. But the governor doesn't send troops. Of course not. He sent something worse. Cake. The Baldwin felt detective agency. So think of like the Pinkerton's for for the Appalachians and other other places where there's coal. It's basically coal mine unions that they're the enemy of. Okay. This is the really first big case that would give them national attention and send them on to their awesome career of just being amazing pieces of shit. So you can remember them when we talked about when we talked about the Colorado government situation that involved labor wars when when a wagon was driven

through a miners family camp and they shot with machine guns at the families. Well, that's the be fair. That's the camp was in the way of their wagon. That's right. So that's that's these guys. That's who they are. Okay. All right. They had already made a name for themselves for their violence against labor unions. They would also become famous for a gunfight with miners at Metwan, which should be a labor holiday because so many of them were killed. But they're just really terrible fucking people. So they found out where Floyd was pretty quickly and they arrested him at the hotel the next day. Photographs of the arrest. Let me see

if I can show this to you. Photographs of the arrest were printed nationwide. Oh wow. Jesus Christ. So that's a picture of Feltz who's one of the Baldwin Feltz agency and Floyd who's in his bed while they're arresting him. Floyd does not look good. No, he looks really bad. I mean, he looks really bad. So so they felt who's a Baldwin felt one of the two main guys. He's one of those three and he takes a picture because he knows it'll get publicity. He like understands the media and of course the media fucking loves that because it's a guy you know a criminal getting arrested in his bed. Yeah. After doing what is now be called

the Hillsville Massacre. So a massive manhunt takes place in the county with the Baldwin Feltz agents trying to find people who are at the shootout in the Allen clan. So over a month they're searching and catching Allen's gunfights and arrests make headlines across America but that's really not happening. In truth the agents are kind of bumbling fucking idiots. They also spend a lot of time just posing on horseback with their guns for photographers and the fugitives are actually sleeping in warm beds and eating at nice meals at relatives house. They're not running around scared but that's the the the impression across the

country is that these amazing agents are seeking out these hillbillies and it's not at all what's really going on. Well but that I mean but that's just an early lesson in American political strategy. Yes. Yeah. And the agents are actually sleeping outside in the rain like they're having a horrible time of it. So right. But some of the clan did turn on others over rewards more often though they did it to like help like one would say well if you give my son a walk then I'll tell you where my cousins are that kind of thing. Right. The US media does its usual job on people in the Appalachian area. Across the country

they write about these backwards people who were in clans killing each other over grudges even though the Allen's are wealthy successful somewhat educated they're portrayed as anything but. Right. Everyone in Carroll County is portrayed as isolated backwards mountain people. The stereotypes are accepted by everybody. A popular New York magazine called everybody's magazine wrote quote they hated those who had taken the rich lowlands on each side of them and this hatred bred a suspicion of all men not of their kind. They cut themselves off from all intercourse with the world then through the years the

men with a price on their heads took to the mountains. Harbor was given them not because they as individuals asked it but because they had struck at the social system of those whom the mountaineers hated thus was hot blood made hotter and the temptuous spirit of the hill people kept ever alive. The hill people. I mean it's just so obviously the media is fantastic. Is that a calculated decision because it means that you don't have to actually change anything this is just kind of a one off like it's not a class problem it's just these people problem essentially. Yeah I mean I think we can talk about that let's talk about

that after but yeah I think that's an important how we treat people from the Appalachians is really interesting and totally fucked. Right. The final Alan fugitives who were on the lamb were Sid and his nephew Wesley and they actually flee and they go to Iowa they get jobs they're living there and then they're captured six months later so huge crowds come out to see Sid and Wesley when they're brought back to Roanoke they're paraded down Campbell Avenue in the town in a topless car like fucking caught game with the the agents all around them when actuality what do the agents do nothing really because it turns out

Wesley's girlfriend had turned them in for reward money so people started to think that maybe the Alans weren't guilty that maybe they didn't shoot first and were protecting themselves maybe God and the sheriff had shot first the public split into two camps at this point and it's all over the country Floyd and his son Claude went on trial first for first degree murder separate trials Claude was good-looking he wore very stylish suits he photographed well so he became a celebrity sure for this trial guns are not allowed in court for some reason wow what a weird system in May 1912 Floyd was

convicted of murdering William Foster Claude was convicted of conspiring to kill Foster so they were and being easy on the eyes so they made the argument in court that the Alans had planned to kill everybody beforehand and the jury bought it wow many of those who had read stories of the backwards Alans around the country felt sympathy and they wrote to the governor seeking clemency because quote they've always lived in the wilds of the mountains and are uneducated rugged pioneer backwards men sensitive high-tempered and restive of restraints so all of which like okay they were high-tempered but the rest of it is

just bullshit they're not yeah it's yes and yeah like we were sort of alluding to like it takes the culpability off of society yeah a Connecticut doctor wrote quote the Alans are a passionate tenderhearted childish people and people who would never stoop so low as to form a conspiracy to shoot up a court so all these people around the country are saying that they shouldn't be sent to death basically because they're dumb simple people the yeah their products of their environment which it's kind of amazing so those who supported the sentence were adamant that law and order had to prevail and they questioned

the masculinity of those who wanted clemency so what do you got no penis is that your deal anyone who believes that can't fuck period they labeled Alan supporters as hysterically romantic toward the Klan which was a feminine trait now governor man who was the governor through all this just to be clear that's man he was always riding the masculinity wave just days after the shooting he'd written to go quote you have the nerve to follow these men out of the courthouse continue firing the wounded it shows your views are filled with the red blood of Virginia ancestors so there's this huge across the

country and everywhere like I think I think it's a liberal conservative thing where the conservatives are calling the liberals basically pussies for not wanting to have these guys sent to death right so that's sort of what the battle's over the the governor actually allows them to hearings and at the end of it he says no we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and kill you so on March 28th 1913 Floyd is strapped to an electric chair and shocked four times for a minute each he's pronounced dead at 1 26 p.m. tell his death he said he had acted in self-defense that goad was going to shoot him and that was all because he was

a Democrat Claude kill was killed 12 minutes later he was just 24 years old same chair I think so so weird they're expensive I know but still it's just like alright cool down from Floyd your turn hose it off and put the boy in oh look you got skittier risk than him so their bodies were taken to by Lee's funeral parlor where thousands of people came to see the corpse Floyd's son Victor bitterly protested this viewing so it was all done by the funeral parlor just did it it couldn't stop it he crazy think that's crazy to be able to do that you get to make some bucks and then the day after the big show them will have

the funeral newspapers reported there were skull children holding their books mothers holding their babies and young men and women on dates laughing and talking as they looked at the bodies want to get a malt after this so Victor was given the bodies at 11 p.m. and they were sent to Mount Airy other Allen's got lesser senses Sid got 35 years it was convicted of like four people the other thing that kept happening now was after the first trials was that now they were getting lesser senses they were all getting second degree murder as opposed to first right no matter how they they were using the

same case you know the same arguments but they were just like we can't get these guys underneath the bigger so they some of them they actually just pled down and said how about five years for killing this guy and so Sid gets 35 years Wesley Edwards 27 two other nephews Freel and Sid Edwards 18 and 15 Jack Allen as I said was fired from his constable position after the shootout and in 1916 he and a man on the street started arguing about the shootout in the court the man pulled the gun and shot Jack dead Wow that's quite yeah interesting to be that to need to be right enough about that situation that

you'll create your own shootout well it's still apparently in the area it's still at least it was from a documentary I saw still something you tread lightly because there's still people related to both sides and again remember it's a Democrat Republican thing and that it really is that's something that seeps through all this so which is kind of sweet yes it is really sweet so sweet romantic moral at the end there's a lot of pressure now on the governor in the 20s to pardon all of the Owens a thousands and thousands of people hundreds of thousands signatures on petitions so Sid is pardoned and released in 1926

they're all pardoned so it gets out 1926 he publishes a memoir it sells very well and then he also traveled around North Carolina Virginia and West Virginia showing an exhibition of complicated furniture he had built out of small pieces of wood while he was in prison so this is what I call my exhibition of complex and complicated furniture you could see here we've got a two-legged stool not anything simple I'll say that this is made out of mostly toothpicks so again not for sitting this Ottoman here it has a big hole in the middle so it sort of looks like a doughnut so if you were to try

to rest your feet on the Ottoman your feet would not rest on pretty complicated and that's made out of hammer hammer handles this is a hammer handled the Ottoman they were the big hole in the middle but I am I gotta say I gotta say I'm just getting warmed up this is a bed I've nailed to the wall I'm very happy I came to this exhibition this is wonderful oh and it's only gonna get further complicated it's super weird here's a mirror but it's broken it's like what the F am I gonna do with that it's complicated stuff no he made a really a really good choice while in prison yeah no a lot of people were getting

degrees and learning about religion I just made like for here for instance I made a toothbrush wardrobe now is that is that a peloton this is a peloton this is a peloton made out of fingers wow yeah so it's a great system so yeah so that's yeah it's just a bunch of complicated stuff like that so there you go don't let anyone tell you prisons that good for something all right amazing thing is is that that was his plan in prison was to build the furniture and take it on exhibition feeder feeder feeder and it was successful oh yeah right and it right yeah people in jail were probably like you want to maybe start

painting or something my world of complicated furniture will go on tour Sid maintained his entire life that the Allen said not shot first he died in 1941 in Hillsville the Hillsville massacre is considered the end of sort of rugged individualism in the area giving away to communal justice the time when clans control the law was said to have died there are still two bullet holes visible in the wooden stairway in front of the old Carroll County courthouse most evidence seems to prove that Claude Allen fired the first shot in court okay so yeah so so sources a courtroom massacre politics and public sentiment in

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there's there's that new Ron Howard movie which is out on Netflix which is that it's very strange to me that people particularly liberals it's okay for them to shit on people from Appalachia and just do it relentlessly Hill Bailey Elegy is the movie and it's based on D JD Vance's book now JD Vance didn't grow up at Appalachia she grew up near it in Ohio he wasn't he the thing about the problem with the way that they portray these people is that it's not they make it as if you can get that the problems are not just systemic and and economics and they make it as if he just if you just work hard and pull yourself up from

the bootstraps you can get out of that fucking hellhole and it's just bullshit JD Vance is a VC you know a rich guy who wrote a book that's just if you if you try hard you can make your way out of there and that's not the reality for a lot of people if you look at the statistics that's not how poverty works that's not how coming from a tough background works you need help everybody fucking needs help and there's also the thing of like there's a lot of people that don't want to get out of there's a lot of people that just don't it's looked upon as this place that you have to escape it's very strange to me and and

this narrative this is one of the reasons that it exists like people take stories like a shootout which is largely political animosity and share a family who has is predisposed to fucking violence but you know that's happened everywhere in our country yeah that's what I was just gonna say I mean look at the Cuomo brothers are they a fucking clan is that a fucking powerful clan family what is that thing you know that you know they had a father that was a governor on the sons of governor and another kids on on CNN that's a fucking powerful tie it back tie it fully back into the entertainment world Andrew Cuomo

is gonna get an Emmy for being a governor because Hollywood gets it and then like California do people know that it's basically controlled by four families the Browns policies and Newsom's and the Getty's Gavin Newsom was adopted by the Getty's they were all in business together and they built Squaw Valley like they just these are clans they exist everywhere they're powerful rich people who help each other out yeah and they help their family out and and because this was more violence and stuff but that violence has been going on everywhere all over our country and it still does today and it's very it's very

weird to me that we have just selected this region to shit on and you know we cover we did a North Carolina episode that was there's a really good book called white trash that people should read which is basically an explanation of how of how that region became poor and it's because that's how it was fucking set up from the beginning they wanted those people to be poor and they wanted to not give them anything and so yeah it's it's such a class thing in America where we just shit on these fucking people and it's pretty fucking unacceptable it's also it's just the easy solution you know is to just say that that's that

that's that you know that that that makes you feel like it's kind of solutionless which means you don't have to do shit well yeah and if you blame if you blame like well they're just these backwards hillbilly fucks then you don't really have to look at the systemic economic situation exactly which again which which is totally the goal of this country is to as long as possible make people not look at the economics as a huge huge problem yeah and look violence comes out of shitty economic situations just go look at how much violence has increased since the pandemic started people don't have anything and if people

don't have anything they're gonna fucking try to get it to survive no like when you see the like diaper theft and you know shit like like people stealing things that they have to have you know like yeah it's I don't know it's like where where does that actually become stealing you know when when you've had everything taken away from you and you need things to survive at some point that stops feeling like that person is stealing and more like that person's just been stolen from for so long you know yeah it's chipping again it's it's very fascinating to me that the this is a powerful family rich very successful you

know they own tons of land they own they own the general store they they have all the money and all the power and yet and yet still they're crazy hillbillies when yeah all of the media and particularly New York and and California when that when we get on our fucking high horse and look down I mean hillbilly hillbilly elegy is deeply offensive and I've only seen memes and clips and it seems extremely offensive yeah go read a story or go read an article I wish I had some examples and maybe I'll look some up but go read an article written by someone who's from there about that movie yeah and again that movie is no

different than the shit that I read from that magazine in New York it's just a different version of it it's been going on for a hundred fucking years a hundred fucking years like when does that stop it's funny I used to use the term white trash when I was growing up and a Marin Mark Marin is actually we were years ago he was like yeah I don't think that's a phrase we should use anymore I was like yeah you know you're right yeah like you have to yeah if you're if you're raised in these with these attitudes you really got to start thinking about what they mean and and maybe take a look at yourself and and and you know a

lot of us were raised liberal and with these thoughts that I'm sorry but we just think we're better than everybody else like that's how we were raised like we're better than that's why there's so much animosity is because liberals have for decades just thought they were fucking better than everyone else they've I think the attitude is very much they were born on third base and act like they hit a triple and that's how I was raised and I wasn't even yeah I wasn't even wealthy I was extremely poor in my but I was in a very rich liberal area but I was the poor kid and I still came out with that attitude yeah I mean the air

like mine my neighborhood where I grew up like we definitely I mean like you know it wasn't terrible by any stretch but it was certainly considered white trash I mean that was what it was termed as yeah you know but yeah I mean it is totally true I mean you know we just have we have so many problems and some are very specific to certain things but the thing that we keep coming back to is that if you continue to economically not help people out they have tougher shittier lives and you know we just continue to act like that's not the problem and that we can have billionaires in our government and that

that is not a problem yeah that that's not a big issue and the reason again is because you're never gonna hear a millionaire tell you that the money is the problem you know they just won't say that shit they nobody in the government will ever tell you the actual problem with the government because they're in it and it's a clubhouse yeah and so you know and we and it is I mean it's one of the things you know I've learned through doing this is that this is not a new problem it's not even a problem it's a feature it's by design yeah that this is how it works and that you're supposed to say you know what's the problem with the

fucking Republican Party while the Republicans are saying God these Democrats are fucking idiots and in reality like we're all right because we just are ruled by this class and that's the problem is the class that we're ruled by until you actually shake that up and try to find some equality within there you really won't know what the actual problems because it's all it's all secondary to the fact that like yeah if people can't afford shit a lot of problems are gonna happen it's just yeah how it how it will be when you have a capitalist society and you don't give people money and you starve them you're

gonna get violence but hey six hundred dollars hey girl all right yeah yeah well yeah well happy holidays to everybody and yeah well yeah this is a Christmas episode yeah well that's why it was so jolly yeah yeah but no I mean yeah who knows who knows