The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 464 - The Gentleman's Riots For Slavery

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine rich peoples pro slavery riots of the 1830's.SourcesTour DatesRedBubble Merch

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tickling clock okay now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments garith this episode when the the trump attack happened on the capital I said this is actually these are not new people this has been going on for a while and I said I put up a tweet and I said we actually lost this episode but we did it in Boston in 2016 and someone said why don't you re-record it and I was like why don't we re-record it because neither one of us are gonna remember anything about the episode now which is true I went through and I read it I didn't remember most of it so I added great that's you self-dolloped so I

added some stuff and and now that's episode we're gonna do so that'll be interesting to do and then I think and and because this is centered in Boston mostly I want to dedicate this to my buddy Neil Mahoney who passed last week which is why we did not have an episode really really great guy if you want to learn about Neil you can you can check out Neil edit the hashtag on Instagram and see how many people loved him and also he he edited the show a comrade detective which I think everyone will love and he was really proud of it so if you want to check that out 1830s okay general the anti-slavery movement

ratcheted up and slow did at the same time the pro-slavery reaction that makes sense Dave it's never made more sense areas of border-to-south tensions due to increasing anti-slavery activity obviously okay yeah for a few years Ohio had been seeing increasing tensions over slavery and black workers coming up okay so there have been race riots you know that's what we do yeah and the Ohio anti-slavery society started growing rapidly okay all right so people are choosing sides as we know we know where this goes right yes in in Putnam County where the society was headquartered men came from Zanesville

and attacked a convention in 1835 right so they hold their hold one of the first conventions and all these dudes from another anti-slavery anti-slavery convention yeah they're mostly guys from Zanesville Zaini's that Zaini's come rolling in like that that's amazing that's what the tape sounds like yep that's it yeah you really say that's that that's the Zanesville's drawl so quote Zanesville men belonging to the lower strata of society encouraged by the more respectable class crossed the river defaced the academy insulted ladies in attendance and disperse the convention wow okay so they they rolled in they

they they smashed some stuff they they called the ladies bad names yeah and then and then the convention ran away yeah so he's just like punch ball tip it over you call that address get a life let's get out of here a the howling mob through brick bats and mud at AA Guthrie on the way to his home brick bats brick bats brick bats are bats made out of brick well tell me that exists I don't I don't think they're bats made out of brick I think they are made out of wood but it just looks like a club basically oh but then it maybe has a brick at the end basically no I don't think it has a brick at the end I'm

gonna need a brick tie-in for me to get over this so I don't know how you're gonna make that happen oh no it is I take it all back a piece of brick a piece of brick typically when used as a weapon well well well well any other questions about this story I always thought a brick bat was like a thing that you hit a brick with all right never mind because they're basically the bricks ass because they're what they're basically talking about is a brick yes hey man it's confusing but as long as I'm closer to right I'm on mapping so so they're throwing brick bats and mud at a Guthrie and Guthrie calmly removed his

hat and thanked the scoundrels for escorting him home one of the mob yelled quote put on your hat captain you might take cold on your head well there's some more hat drama but I love his way of playing it off they're like throwing bricks at him thanks for taking me home gentlemen they're like we will kill you all right let's all relax and then their biggest comeback is put your hat back on buddy yeah yeah you showed him you showed him Tommy I honestly the line he had was phenomenal but when you told him to put his hat back on cuz he get cold it was like boom I did life over it just can't wait did that come

okay I just can't I just in a moment isn't a moment he took off his head like a vessel for one liner yeah I took off his hat I was like that guy's head's gonna get cold oh my well that trend that sentiment translated to the zinger come on let's go back to Zanesville and write some more great comedy Harriet Beecher Stowe lived in Cincinnati Ohio at the time in 1836 she's young at the time she's early 20s she wrote essays and articles in magazines she wrote her husband a lot so we got a lot of her what she was saying at the time okay her husband was away so that's why she wrote to him he wasn't in the other room right

that's not how they came here Hank how's the kitchen right back Harriet the kitchen is empty there's no no one cooking I'm just sitting at the table waiting for my meal my dearest Hank I received your last letter and needless to say my heart dropped the idea of you sitting in that kitchen waiting for food just drives me baddie hopefully you'll have some closure soon I think there's some cheese in the fridge yours Harriet dearest Harriet what is the fridge I don't know what you're talking about I am alone in the kitchen and I believe you're upstairs will you please come down and cook me some food I don't know

how to I'm a man my sweetest Hank I've invented something called the fridge in the upstairs I'll be down soon with it hopefully you don't starve by then there's still cheese in the fridge yours Harriet dearest Harriet growing weak sincerely your loving husband who hasn't eaten in days why are you upstairs oh God help me dear Hank finding your body today was tough I can't believe how quickly you passed away it had only been 17 hours so we just got notes from the network Dave one letter too long each so they just want us to cut the middle one maybe I'm sure we'll get notes on the websites so she's not Harriet Beach

though is not the sort of more overt abolition as she becomes later she this is sort of right formation period so at the time okay in time Cincinnati has become this place of just incredible tension over slavery a lot of radical abolitionists had come there to live particularly a guy named G.J. a J.G. Bernie who moved from Alabama because a guy from Cincinnati came down and was lecturing against slavery and and at the time Bernie had sleep he owned slaves he lived in Alabama and here are the guys here the guy's speech and he's like no he's right we can't fucking do this anymore so he's he frees all of his

slaves and then and then he moves north to Cincinnati and opens an anti great speech that must like can you I mean not not to get too dark but like can you imagine like if if you were like a slave like having a guy come back and be like I just heard a guy who convinced me you should all be like that's a very good thing you went to that we're all very happy you went to that also thanks for not listening to us for all those years but no no I get it a white guy came here told you yeah but I mean he was compelling it was like okay it feels like you've seen compelling evidence here on the plantation but as you were so

he he moves this is that he opens up a anti-slavery paper the city became a quote hotbed of I'm not gonna get to write the articles sir no you're right you're right you're right so the city became a quote hotbed of abolition the so everything I'm gonna write here by Cincinnati is from Harry Peter Stowe's descriptions so many of the well-off in and the rich guys in Cincinnati are against Bernie's paper right including Stowe's uncle like even her family members they okay they form a committee to do something about the abolitionists in town and and they start firing people up and on July 12th a mob breaks into

Bernie's press and terrorize him to try to get him to stop printing the paper what you think they would break equipment you'd knock it off you you like that when we mess up your hair huh huh come on throw his shoes in the garbage you like that yeah what are you gonna wear those home you can't wear those home there's paper in there it looked like a damn fool now stop writing your propaganda's BS huh what's about glasses on upside down doesn't somebody look cuckoo binane age how we shoot him that guy's never gonna print another goddamn paper and new new edition evening edition of the abolitionist paper right

here abolished paper abolished paper so he keeps printing he's not he's they're gonna need to do more than that so the committee next demanded Bernie be thrown out of the Franklin Hotel where he was staying but the owner refused to throw him out and when the owner refused to throw him out 12 men who were lodging in the hotel then left and checked into another hotel a hand bill was put up announcing a meeting on July 30th quote in which some of the most respectable men of the city are invited by name to come together and consider the question whether they will allow mr. Bernie to

continue his paper in the city I love that I love that that's what the big meeting is for when when people are trying to resolve like the issue with slavery they're like come on we need to have a real come to Jesus meeting should we kick this guy out of town or what this is bullshit this is crazy this guy's against slavery why are we gonna let him stay here and make a paper I think it's gonna hurt a slavery for us let's get him out of here we need to really reflect upon what we want we was ruining it we want to own people this guy saying no okay so if you like to own people we got to get him out of here so

somewhere was some were surprised that many of the most respectable men in the city wanted to go to the meeting which they should have been at the meeting they claimed the Boston Tea Party was their precedent for what they were about to do okay all right that's a cool thing about America we can all we've all got our heroes we can always we can always say this is what they did the Boston Tea Party with no understanding of what happened at the Boston Tea Party well because yeah it's just like and we can do what they did at the Boston Tea Party what they do they fucked a bunch of dudes up and tossed tea into the ocean

right and then what they did they fucking hated tea so they got rid of it right by the way how key is the guy who's like throw the tea overboard like what no let's just kill these guys no trust me the tea's the hook the tea's the hook push the tea over haha so the meeting that doesn't work now the British are just drinking the ocean a bit salty could use another cube hello governor got drowned him someone drowned him so the meeting gets pretty hot and they discuss sexually yeah there's a lot of fucking going on go slow for this part they discuss writing what the law could not write so they're like

we need to deal with this because the law there's nothing in the law that says a guy has to stop printing a paper we don't like so we have to write oddly right it's like that scene in Big and Harry with the basketball playing Sasquatch where they have a meeting at a town center and some guy goes hey look there's just nothing that says in the rulebook that a Sasquatch can't play basketball is that an actual moment in that movie yeah cuz you you said that phrase is if that was just a normal thing that everyone would know that's not a moot not a movie a lot of people know but it was one of my friends and I love and

but there is that scene and we were always just like yeah they probably didn't think they had to make that one so so a local judge was in there Judge Burke and he was there and he agreed that there was nothing in the law that said they could get rid of this paper so that so even a judge is like yeah man there's nothing the law so we got to deal with this right right right local papers mostly all supported the the committee and getting rid of Bernie quote all the newspapers in the city except the Gazette and the Journal were either silent or openly mob-o-cratic I

just can't imagine a paper trying to get rid of a Bernie but still Bernie refuses to go another meeting is I mean this guy gave a hell of a speech in Alabama yeah he really did really really I would let me come can we get a transcript I bet that was very seems very coercive I could probably the guy's pretty famous his name's Ward I could probably find it'd be interesting to read so then they hold another meeting a couple days later in a location and time during which they could get the most laborers to 10 so it's right it's I'm picturing it because that was all she wrote but I'm picturing it like it's

next to the factory it's at 5 it's a 510 right right it means it's a 510 like so basically they're trying right there they're like well let's stir up the working-class dudes let's get them fired up right and they did they worked them into a frenzy at the meeting and then that night a mob of several hundred stormed over to Bernie's paper tore down his press scattered the types and then dragged it all to the river and threw it in and then they came back and destroyed the office again I'm not to give huge notes because I'm my guess is it builds but you don't need the first part just go to the river they're like all right

let's destroy it throw it everywhere let's collect it put in the river well the river would have done all of it well we got heated we got heated early I think I think the I think it's fun to destroy it and then when you destroy you're like oh he can put it all back together what a and then Jimmy Jimmy's like what about the water we could throw it the water I don't know why he's from Boston it yeah well because of the tea party yeah he's the same guys just the tea that's right I throw the tea in the water Jimmy was there for every historical moment that involved water I don't know what we should do General

Washington what do you think I've got no ideas cross the water across the river can cross it Jimmy is that you really think that's a good idea Jimmy 100% cross the cross the water go to the river yeah the bombing of Pearl Harbor what are we gonna do it get the water I told the GPS gotta bomb the water Jimmy I was waiting how many water things you could think oh I got a better one what what am I gonna do to get the Jews out of here I'm out of ideas Lord Moses Moses it's great idea Jimmy unbelievable idea this is like quantum leap for idiots so after destroying his office they started going

to the houses of leading abolitionists in the city but they they knew they were coming so they had all bailed so they would just go knock on the door and the person would be like yeah he's not here okay let's go to the next one at this point quote the mayor was a silent spectator of these proceedings and was heard to say well lads you have done well so far go home now before you disgrace yourselves mmm so the mayor's like hey good job with the whole destroying the newspaper office and trying to hunt people down but let's wrap this up but come on but they are just getting going they now started

destroying the houses of black people you know there's some killing it went on for three days Jesus Christ Jesus Christ three days now the mob had finally gone too far beyond the purpose that the rich guys had set it up for right and the entire city is terrified of what could happen so a militia was formed and they put down the the rioters Jesus so this is basically like the Frankenstein riots they built they built the crazy thing and then they're like oh no yeah well once you control once you kill it once you get a mob together then there's no there's no how do we control a mob the mobs a mob right I would I don't

believe that to be true now around the country the blame was laid at the feet of the workers but none on the wealthy who sent them into a rage you blame the lumber not the match if you go read Wikipedia or articles about it it's all about how the common man attacked black people and there's nothing about the guys who started it all they did nothing so Harriet Beecher still finally read Bernie's abolitionist paper after the riots quote it does seem to me that there needs to be an intermediate society if not as light increases all the excesses of the abolition party will not prevent humane and conscientious men

from joining it so she's she's saying we need a compromise abolitionist I mean that opinions always gonna be there right she obviously comes to a dip she comes let the slaves have slaves am I the only one who can we just kind of meet in the middle here in this a little bit is that possible well she obviously comes to a different conclusion soon and she became an abolitionist she supports the underground railroad I think she's a stop this is like one of her old this is like her old tweet this yeah this is her coming into who she's gonna be and she writes on go tom's cabin so she's like

legit but this is her kind of getting there right finding her voice so the northeast had a very different thing going on than the south or even Ohio when it came to blacks living in the community in Boston anger at slaves being freed was directed toward white abolitionists not blacks what did I mean that's better better better for the most part they are white student interact with blacks in their daily lives so I think in Cincinnati in Ohio places like that it was more they were competing for jobs a little bit more and it wasn't happening as much in a place like Boston right so there's really not as much

like palpable anger towards blacks living in a city like Boston at the time and that's just that's I'm talking about the common working guy so the strong resistance to abolitionism came from the elites of the city the merchants who were concerned with money they made from the south and and they were called the cotton wigs okay and then there was another group of wigs called the conscious conscience wigs who are mostly conscience wigs who are mostly conservative ministers and and merchants who thought slavery was evil and that meant more than making money I love that the names are so similar and what are

you we don't believe that all men have rights and what are you we believe that we love money too but they do interesting what a divide must be how did the wigs come together we're just very we're like the odd couple such money versus morals right the the two groups fought but they didn't take it out they weren't taking it on the black population right writing was seen as a lower class way of acting out at the time right so they looked down on the riches were like that's just just so gross disgusting but the rich would use riots if it suited their needs if they couldn't get what they wanted using

politics or the law they would use direct action which in this case violence and riots slavery is exactly that issue so right they saw slavery as being too revolutionary and it was just gonna it was just gonna destroy the order they saw they saw it as too revolutionary it was just gonna destroy the order of how everything worked right so local thing local papers wrote about how it was okay to riot over slavery interesting so now they're just like publishing articles like that writing is bad but in this case so pretty good it's pretty good sometimes you got a riot like when the Patriots win over this papers who had scolded the

lower classes for writing over other other things suddenly changed their tune and wrote quote if there is no law that will reach it it must be reached some other way wow yeah well that yes I mean it just does show you like how you know they'll all change their minds once there's enough movement behind you know then they're like oh you know what actually everyone is a human weird that we lost that plot for a minute and it's just it's just rich people you know acting like they're better than the poor people but then when it come then they're like well except in this case it's okay to write but the reasons they're writing

over a bush oh I want bread fuck you yeah but this is different this cost me money riots are like cigarettes special occasion so the elites had used riots to stop anti-mason meetings organized by the working class in the in the 20s so there's precedent for this and and like Cincinnati the the anger that was coming it first was coming from quote gentlemen of property and standing doctors lawyers merchants bankers judges congressmen they said getting rid of slavery was a quote amalgamation of the races and they believed in traditional values so it's it's all coming from the top and and the top is who writes the

papers and you know sets that sort of tone so right this is the environment in which William Lloyd Garrison founded the New England anti-slavery society in Boston in 1831 okay Garrison was the publisher of the abolitionist paper the liberator and after this other societies were formed in other states and the National Society in Philadelphia in 1833 so it's a it's a movement that's that's happening right and like I said after a couple years later one would pop up in Ohio that we just talked about they're popping up at the rate of one a day and have thousands of members so it's fucking taking off abolitionism is

just like taking Lord right and Garrison is an amazing speaker who could really spread the message and that meant he was a really big threat to the quote traditional establishment traditional value of owning slaves right the value yeah in 1833 in New York when Garrison was in a meeting to organize a anti- slavery society the abolitionists decided to hold their own pro-slavery demonstration in the same location the Abel the anti-abolitionist so so he's setting up he has a meeting to set up an anti-slavery society and then across the street they have or at the same location I don't know how that works

they have a demonstration for slavery so it's right anti so it's perfect this is the pro-slavery yeah it's a slavery but this is awkward I disagree with everything you've done across the street you said I would like to say I think we should be able to own the humans oh you know you want one E this is one D that's right it's behind the curtain we just put up a curtain they're over there yeah they're actually held in the same location I don't know how this works what does what a sitcomic moment oh no we double booked it I mean really this is a sitcom plot from like the the the halls perspective well I'm sure that we can get these two

groups to meet in the middle what are they for so the intent was to stop the anti-slavery meeting which is what happens because they hold the meetings in the same place so right it ends up making nothing happens doesn't work it's a little awkward tense the courier and inquire include and other you know big papers at the time attack garrison the elites are not down with what he's doing the anti abolitionist attacks are becoming more and more common right in 1831 in Connecticut Prudence Crandall allowed the first black student into her school which up until that point had been all white if you can imagine that

Crandall's a Quaker so that's why she did it because Quakers okay awesome so the white parents then pull all their daughters out of the school it's a girl school so she then establishes a school for black girls and garrison well that's it's so easy by the way like when they take all the white girls out it's just one black girl you know what yeah yes fuck them so garrison advertised the school the liberator black families start sending their daughters from out of states to get an education so the town is like this is a bit much this is a little crazy don't we think are we gonna have black girls running around our

city am I crazy or is this starting to feel a little equal so they first protest at the school and then they start holding town meetings to figure out what to do about the quote nuisance hmm she is cast out she's thrown out of all local churches and shops they're like get out of here okay right and then the state passes a black law which allows them to refuse to give the girls anything so no one would sell them items in shops stagecoach drivers would not drive them around doctors would not society help them shun them yeah doctors won't help them sick everyone's just like nope no black girls is that now in

the oath of course unless it's a black girl all right now so at one point Crandall's well was filled up with cow shit which obviously is bad for drinking out of it so that ruined the well I don't know it still kind of tastes like shit so no one will give her water Jesus but Prudence Crandall pushes on and the town gets more and more angry that they are not shutting her down right the windows in the school start to get smashed regularly filth is smeared all over the school so that's the cow shit guy again he's like I'm telling you guys the key to this is cash it cash it's gonna get us out of this predicament and I

got a whole I got a whole wagon full for just ten bucks I bought all this guy's cash it this shit is the best so finally after they failed to have the school closed through any of these ways it was set on fire okay she finally closed the school in September of 1934 Jesus because of safety reasons obviously there's girls and they're fucking yeah the fire is bad right so that's a so in Boston abolitionists are excluded from the Anthinium library Dr. Reverend Leonard a bacon called abolitionist political candidates political desperados mm-hmm yep it's just going with the trend this will age poorly trust me I'm dr.

reverend bacon believe me if you hear that name you don't think this man's clued into what's going on the American Bible Society turned down a donation of $5,000 because it was supposed to be used to give bibles to slaves as Jesus intended now I'm one time that there's something like that occurred in the Bible I'll wait could you I'll wait I can imagine like that is that is like the ultimate sentence that is just everything Jesus was against how great would it be to Sasha Baron Cohen Jesus into places now just like what yeah they're your fans those are your fans a Harvard a Harvard

professor lost his chair because he was I put it I was sitting on it a moment again that's gone street punks because he was an abolitionist okay publishers in the north start to make sure their books didn't have anything in them that would upset the proslavery south good lord I let that that is what is so frustrating always is the marketing decision yes when it's just when people just go well no but we got a hedge our bets here we don't know you know we don't know where this is gonna go in 10 years maybe they'll have value maybe we'll still treat them like they're not people so just for an ad from an ad

perspective let's be safe the abolitionist abolitionist you know just kept going and throughout the north pro-slavery riots start to break out John Whittier gave an anti-slavery speech and conquered and was then pelted by eggs and stones one of which badly wounded his leg I think this please can we go more eggs than stones please let's lean in on the eggs I think if this stone is what hurt his leg not an egg someone has a hard boiled one it's cracked my knee cap then in August 1935 Southerners complain about the abolitionists and threatened to withdraw from the union for those pro-southern business men in

Boston this was the ultimate nightmare for the pro right yeah yeah for the pros yes they are like we want to make money don't know the only thing that has value is money enough with this live nonsense and these guys these pro- slavery guys in Boston in the north they're embarrassed that garrison is living in their city you just call him garrison no garrison did you want me to call him garrison I mean I don't think I'd hate it so the pro-slavery gents decide to hold a I always say the name of this finouli hall fannuel fannuel hall I this is this is the only thing I think I remember from the first time we

did this yeah so the pro-slavery gentlemen decided to hold a pro-slavery demonstration at a fannuel hall fannuel right yep yes he said fannuel yeah to let the South know where they stood right so they're trying to show the South now that they are a pro-slavery city yeah don't trust us we swear to God we do not think people are fucking equal kid they got understand us there at the demonstration they passed formal declaration supporting slavery these are formal declarations Vinnie Vinnie you had something to say what you go say there Vinnie yeah what I was gonna say was that if anyone comes up to you and

possibly suggests that what you're doing is wrong the best thing to do is get over them lift their t-shirt over their head and then you can rock them like they're living behind a fucking curtain you really beat the fuck out of them thank you I think what a great turnout job job very nice go pants right what he said many of Boston's prominent citizens were at the demonstration like the mayor theodore Lyman and the current leader of the wig party Harrison Otis so it's just all the cotton wigs yeah it's just all the all the big time guys right it's the it's a who's who of asshole a local paper wrote quote we have

never seen a larger or more respectable audience within the walls of the hall yeah I love that that that's what our media does now to where they just do those little things just subtle subtleties that don't really seem like anything it's just a little bit of seasoning little Mrs. Dash but in reality it's trying to contextualize it all for you know I was I mean a lot of people have been telling me that they actually do not like what's happening right now the Democratic Party with the left how can we get away from that you're like you motherfucker so this is the environment in which Garrison brought in

George Thompson who was an English abolitionist he brought him in to speak in Boston to a meeting of women so you can see already there's a couple problems there first of all he's an abolitionist second of all he's talking to women yeah I'm not sure what the goal is here is it to ruin everything and then the pro slavery crowd are even more furious that some foreign guy is coming in here not I got even worse no it's not only is this fucking taught from England he's only talking to fucking women get the fuck out of here I'm trying to oh sorry I need to lay down I'm getting lightheaded I am like I just meant like

get the fuck out of here like I should have said that's fucking wicked fucked someone get me a wet rag and put it on my forehead my fucking stars kid my stars so Thompson is going to address the women at the hall next to the office of the anti-slavery society and liberator offices so this is this is a double offense it's a foreign asshole coming to talk about how slavery is bad and he's talking to women so immediately response to the announcement was for the pro-slavery people to post signs all over Boston which urged people to bring quote the infamous foreign scoundrel to the tar

kettle before dark okay I mean if I was like going to a place to speak and I saw that I'd be like probably not right seems like they're gonna tar me I could definitely see some people putting up signs for that when we come to town yeah sure hey I got this guy you guys know where the talk kettle is excuse me which way to the touring so a couple and guys just keep saying they're taking me to the tar kettles what are they talking about and they don't ah we're gonna tie you tie me to what tar you want to top toppy top top like goodbye sir top no no not top no top dude we're gonna fucking tie you we're gonna tie you

gonna you're gonna say you're gonna say we're gonna put you're gonna say you're not even you're gonna look like a big pile of tar okay that's what's happening about I'm sorry a big pile of goodbye tar tar yes good day a big pile of good day I understand you dude I was trying to threaten that guy and he just kept saying goodbye it was this dude's fucking deep dude I don't think we can tie him okay he was also not called they didn't call him George Thompson they called him mr. foreigner Thompson well all right listen listen you can you can say what you like but let's let's all try to be cool okay I know it's in it

things get heated but you sons of bitches yo mr. four in the Thompson pull the shutter of his head punch him so a couple thousand men gather in the street right when the meeting is supposed to take place fortunately the abolitionists knew that there was danger and Thompson was not brought to the meeting place right but the women still went on with their meeting and the hall and the stair of the building fills up with angry pro-slavery rich men right the mayor did actually try to stop what was happening and tried to disperse them but he couldn't so at least the mayor was trying to help sure a state representative

said of the mayor's interjection quote the mayor put his chair down on the Easterly side of Washington Street and stood upon it and spoke warning of the multitude that appeared threatening to depart to their respective homes the mayor then descended from his chair and departed yeah I mean what else can you do I mean you got in a chair and said stop it's time to go home call it a day you did everything you could what what do you expect from the guy he's not Garcetti the mob is not gonna give in so did they did they see the mayor on the chair because the impactful imagery there I think is enough to just make

everyone have a second thought at least no I'm really so I'm really surprised it continued after that because he did stand on a chair and say don't don't but yeah okay they kept going it just shows you how how crazed they were yep right so now they break through the door of the anti-slavery office luckily there are some constables and they pushed the the rich guys out before anything happened to garrison who was still sitting at who still sat at his desk writing a letter the whole time said I'm almost done they're going to kill you sir yes hold on oh mama yeah how's the kitchen so the mayor then went to the ladies meeting and

he said you have to leave because he didn't think he could stop them up he did clearly he did everything he could yes oh he got on the chair he got off I mean the whole roller coaster we remember it so they do they agree and two by two they walk out the door two by two because it was a white woman exiting with a black woman oh wow okay the mob probably didn't know there were black women inside or maybe just the sight of a white woman standing so black woman they fucking lost their shit good lord quote when we emerged when we emerged into open good I could just see I could see I could see some beauty in that I

could see it like in my head I'm like I could see someone being like guys come on but I'm waiting I'm waiting on what you say and you're like it drove them insane like nobody was like yeah yeah we get a little crazy yeah this is kind of fucking beautiful and look at these brick quote we when we emerged into open daylight there went up a roar of rage and contempt they slowly gave way as we came out as far as we could look either way the crowd extended evidently of the so-called wealthy and respectable the influence and standing so it's just a sea of angry rich dudes right right who we all have raised to the point of our

high society the Boston commercial Gazette would describe them as quote an assemblage of 1500 or 2000 highly respectable gentlemen yep just freaking out freaking out over a women's only meeting about abolishing slavery just the cream of the crop and the respectable gentlemen now shouted garrison garrison we must have garrison out with him lynch him oh good lord they also demanded that an anti-slavery sign be taken down which the mayor did and they quickly destroyed it okay well out of their out of their two demands like we want garrison and we're gonna fucking kill him and we want that sign right

there there you go there's a sign kill the side beat it up hang it hang the side we're gonna tie the side we're tied the side that doesn't make sense don't hang it cuz we just took it down you guys know what I'm saying come on we're gonna hang the sign and we're gonna leave it out as an example to anyone else who tries to put a sign out there you want to put us you want to hang a sign you're gonna get hanged like a sign like that sign okay I kind of get that yeah and I think it's kind of stupid yeah perfect yeah that's a fucking warning I hanging a sign they're gonna look at this hanging sign and go whoa whoa whoa I

don't want that to happen to my side things hanging that's right so the mayor takes garrison to the back of the building where he climbs out a back window onto a shed roof he tries to hide in a carpenter shop by behind his office but the respectable gentlemen were already out back so he goes upstairs and the workman in his shop keep the crowd back as much as sorry a workman no the workman in his shop keep the crowd back as much as they could but the mob finally breaks in well I feel like I should describe the mob because it's probably not what people have in their mind quote stout thick set powerful men

about 40 years old all dressed in new near blue broadcloth suits as well as a multiple of neatly dressed young men hmm and they all have fancy hats on so they're literally it's all had me and you have me until the attire that's where the so it's all super fucking wealthy guys and their apprentices that they brought along from their shops or whatever right I'm just picturing like a thousand Thomas middle ditches finally the rich guys cannot be held back any longer they break through the door they find garrison and they drag him to the window they're about to throw him out when someone yelled quote don't kill him

outright what they're like peewee's big adventuring this moment let's do it slow let's take this guy apart and pieces I want to enjoy this so they put a rope around him and took him down via a ladder now I read in garrison's paper that they actually put it around his neck okay and then they dragged him around the street for a bit Jesus and then garrison was rescued by two truckmen they were brothers Daniel and buff coulee yep no go ahead don't no need to stop here at buff coulee and think about that being a porno guys name there's no need to we're talking about something too important to get hung up on that sort of stuff so so

go ahead so we've got buck coulee so and we're just gonna live with that and that's fine go ahead sorry so these two guys are stronger and tougher than all the rich guys and they fight him off and they take garrison back to the mayor who now has several men with him and then they take garrison to the old state house while a crowd surrounds it he had to be given clothes as he was now quote bareheaded and half naked wow but the head's the problem the heads look crazy we could see your penis and ass but get a hat on that head would you the mayor's group decided the only place they could keep garrison safe was in the

jail so what a sell well the only thing we can possibly do is put you in jail that seems fitting yes lovely yes so they arrest him on a charge right to make that I love that they this seems great like if I were him I'd be like I feel like you're trying to arrest you could just put me in jail you'll have to actually charge nah fortunately we got a put you down for a crime so what do you say murder murder someone oh are you a child molestation we got those two those are two what about what about something more pedestrian like I you know shouldn't I spit some I shouldn't littered oh I got one arm robbery that's a good one we'll

do arm robbery what we'll do is we'll say you robbed the bank and you killed the teller yeah I would really rather maybe something quite simple would be nice you know but say that I'm just visiting a friend maybe it seems little more easy you're pretty simple and I know that I saw this at a bar once but a guy a guy a guy stabbed a guy's eyes out that's great yeah we'll say he stabbed some guys eyes out perfect all right so you're doing 15 years because you took away a guy's eyeballs does it sound good you cool with that no yeah all right well murder it is so they charge him with quote disturb and break the peace of the Commonwealth

and a riot did cause and make to the terror of the good people of the Commonwealth and against the peace and dignity of the so their crimes were a little like their book titles just run on who gives a shit and then he also tripped and over another guy but that guy's not in trouble that's the crime so they're saying that he disturbed the peace which led to a riot so okay he did with his foul rational language meanwhile the authorities of the city the legislature is in session and many others come down to witness the insanity so the situation is being handled by the mayor and alderman said that quote

though it was the duty of the mayor to put down the riot the city government did not very much disapprove of the mob to put down such agitators as garrison and those like them Jesus Christ so it's just so hard to convey what they're actually saying I know so they're basically saying the mayor is trying to do what he can but the rest of the city is like no this is pretty cool right I mean we all remember when the mayor got on the chair don't we Lord the guy did everything it could for God's sake the editor of the New England galaxy heard a judge say quote I hope and we cover we don't just cover New England we don't

even just do America this is not even a paper for earth this is a galactic paper this is a periodical for everyone from Glendale to the bar yeah bars yeah yes why do you call it New England because that's where it's from so I want people so if someone on Jupiter is reading this I want them to have context that they're dealing with the Upper East Coast okay yeah okay all right that is and I see a lot of hands that I'm not gonna call on any more of them it is what it is and it is happening all right well I look forward to hearing what's happening on Jupiter's moons yep that's right when God gets look at this page six

Saturn's rings the editor of the New England galaxy heard a judge say quote I hope they will catch him and tar and feather him and though I would not assist I can tell them five dollars are ready for the man willing to do it so there you go that's a judge under and you're under arrest but for why so the mayor has a carriage brought to the front of the building but that's a deception another carriage goes around the back but the the rich guys figured out and they rush I think he's trying to do the old carriage up front rear one in the back on us but he had lined up 40 or around 30 40 men on both sides of the

steps to guard garrison all the way to the carriage okay they're basically truckman they're like teamsters of the day so they're like working so they're the way so it's literally the working class guys against the rich guys who it's supposed to be the opposite right I mean when you think about how this all works well in people's minds but that's the narrative that's been told but that's not what's happening here no yeah it's it's that inflection point where it's just like no we don't think you're smarter than us any longer it's over your liars the mob quote rushed with great fury to break through the lines and

seize garrison as he went from the old state house to the coach but these men on each side stood firm and did not return or in a barrel chested brute let him go or in any way notice the blows which the merchants clerks dealt profusely at their heads and bodies but their lines were kept so firm that the men did not break through and after a fearful struggle garrison got into the coach then an attempt was made to cut the harness dude my hand hurts from hitting that guy's peck those are really good dudes but can't you just picture all these like soft rich guys just punching you're punching guys just

laughing at it come on do you want another round of that there's more where that came from tuffy check out this fucking guy over here he keeps punching me but it's like a larry funny funny is it funny what about this then a little bit of dirt on you huh can I ask you a question buddy do you have bones of cool that the tube were not as many as most but we're trying to look into a surgery that would be practical for me I can afford it I think I should I don't have friends so as they were trying to cut the harness the coach driver cracked the whip and the horses took off the rich guys all scattered to avoid getting

run over by the horses so now garrison so they take garrison to the jail and he writes on the jail wall quote William Lloyd garrison was put into the cell on Wednesday afternoon October 21st 1835 to save him from the violence of a respectable and influential mob who sought to destroy him for preaching the abominable and dangerous doctrine that all men are created equal and that all oppressed if odious in the sight of God I love that right next to that was probably like here I sit broken-hearted see like put his logs well thought out writing the next day with just you know minor injuries garrison was freed and

the charges were dropped okay while the upper class made up most of the mob witnesses said they were also middle-level employees there too middle-class Protestants had signed the pro-slavery documents at the hall the newspapers afterwards supportive of the rich man's pro-slavery riot sure the daily advertiser wrote quote the whole transaction was the triumph of the law over lawless violence that thank you daily advertiser for your neutral opinions as always the Christian watchmen wrote that the abolitionists were as responsible as the mob for the riot that's right thank you Christian Jesus is

so proud though one Boston newspaper wrote about the hypocrisy of the wealthy men who had so many times condemned the riots when committed by the poor now being part of a riot quote yeah when a mob attacks the female members of the anti-slavery society papers say it is a fine affair a gentlemanly mob George Thompson dug in the knife a bit by saying quote such a mob 30 ladies route and a six by two board demolished by 4,000 men wait I don't even understand what they're saying he's saying 30 ladies were attacked and then the sign great okay another stop garrison he wrote about it in the liberator attacking

the pro-slavery gentleman riot and that it just proved that he was in the right and from then on Massachusetts anti-slavery society would have a hard time finding a hall or a church to meet in and they ended up holding their gatherings in a stable in a stable yeah horse yeah okay all right nice that shows you that that shows you that your ideas are aging well well that's the anti- slavery guys oh it is yeah oh so there's so fuck that they're like I mean they got blamed for the riot yeah now we're gonna let a couple horses talk which is the state legislature would eventually allow the group to meet in the state

house when a hall was built in Boston just a couple years later a militia would have to be called out to stop it from being burned no militia was there to stop a pro-slavery mob from burning down a hall in Philadelphia that had been built for abolitionists but look hey we'd eventually go on to kill each other at an astonishing rate just keeps slavery going so it has a good ending yeah wow so we're gonna discuss this more in a minute but first I wanted to talk about our sponsor trough trough is a saw it's sauce it's hot sauce it's a luxury hot sauce it makes every meal awesome it's got a nice blend of red chili black

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think a lot of people were like that I oh they're not I kept seeing people said they're not poor these people are attacking and it's like yeah I mean we're talking about white supremacist shit and they're they're the same fucking people right I mean the people to private jets and of course mixed in there there's gonna be people without as much money we saw that too yeah but it's this stuff is and has been throughout history largely pushed by the upper classes stirring up people and that's that's what we're dealing with we have a real big media issue you know we know Fox News is really fucking bad but then even like

the New York Times stop writing puff pieces about fucking white supremacist motherfuckers like they they can't help themselves but but they keep saying like they were they write all these articles and they're like oh let's see what these people think and it's like did you do that after Georgia when yeah when black people put it over the top did you then go in and interview black people in cafes no no you didn't do that but but we have to hear about why all these people are like this it's an old it's an old problem that is why that is the thing that I honestly like keeps driving me super crazy is the selectiveness

it's just so easy to manipulate reality if you're in charge of media by under reporting or over reporting it's just you can inflate or deflate anything just based on what you want to tell people about net let alone like you know whatever the information if it's fully factual or half-truths or whatever but you know if you in 24-hour news cycles you would think they would be covering 24 stories a day 50 stories a day because there's so many things to talk about I mean that's what you see online and on social media there's tons of shit you know and yet it's fixation on three things for weeks and so it is bio mission

that important things are just totally under reported sources for this episode the liberator paper which was garrison's paper muskim county history dot org 19th 19th century American by Ernest Crosby Boston gentleman riot for slavery the new england historical society and Boston riots three centuries of social violence by Jack Tager all right well good luck to everybody care stop recording he told me to tell you that he said bye