The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 485 - The Florida Judges

Episode Date: June 15, 2021

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the early 1970's Florida Supreme Court.SourcesTour DatesRedbubble Merch

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bilingual American History podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to my friend. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Is that true? You've asked me that a number of times. Well I you know people ask me constantly so I feel like I should ask you again because... Well let me ask you Dave do you do you spend this time coming up with this story researching this story and then we write lines to it? I send it. That's a process that happens. I send it to you and you send me back notes and then I re-advise and then

I send it back to you and then you give notes and then I revise and we do that about 50-60 times. A lot of people don't understand the character Gary that you've created on this show. He's a rascal. It's a fun part to play. He's a rascal. He's a rascal. You look when it comes to history he's ill-informed, nose-little and but a real fun suit to put on. I have enjoyed the hell out of playing him and you know a lot of times I mean I've been typecasts without question. You know people honestly even at some shows I do without you people will be calling for the character and I'm going you know no I'm not yeah go ahead you have a

question. Shows without me? What are you talking about? I'm kidding dummy. I don't do shows without you. What are you stupid? I've got McNuggets in your head. It's a turn of phrase. It's a turn of phrase. It's a turn of phrase. You've never heard that turn of phrase? I do when I do shows without you? You've never heard that? It's just it's a popular way of saying to someone that sometimes when I'm without you it said you know I do shows without you. It just says that you're alone. It's a way to say you're alone to the person that you're talking to who you sometimes have spent time with. So it's a very simple expression that

I was first of all shocked you haven't. I mean you're the history guy. You not heard of that one. I'm just gonna don't step out on me. Know your place. I would never. Know your place. I would never. I did. I would never. There will be consequences. I don't think you want to release this part of the show. People should not this curtain should not be peeled back. Very very serious consequences. All right I I'm sorry Papa. And called it quote his jam patch. Jam? I'm the fucking hippo guy. Steve okay. My name's Gary. My name's Gary. Wait. Is it for fun? And this is not gonna become a tiggly pod. Okay. This is like Adam. I'm a five

part coefficient. Now hit him with the puppy. You both present sick arguments. Don't sleep down hippo. That's like down hippo. Action partner. Hi Gary. No. I see done my friend. No. No. Ronda. Ronda in the corner. July 23rd, 1931. Year of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christo for my Spanish speaking friends. Because we also have a version of the dollop in Spanish. David McCain was born in Sebastian, Florida. Obviously named after Sebastian. I've conquered it. Midway it's midway on the east coast of Florida right. So his father Robert was a fisherman and Robert thought David was

going to be the next big thing. Hot this kid. He's just like my kid's gonna be hot shit. In any sort of specific way or just generally just like you're gonna you're gonna really just be sure something will happen. I'm gonna have this kid. I mean just look at him. Sure. Okay. He had other kids but but David and Robert were incredibly close. They would take long rides in his four truck together. They'd sit up at night talking when everyone else had gone to sleep. You're my best friend. Such a weird thing for a dad to do. You're my only friend. Hey you're my know you're seven but what do you say we stay up tonight just

talking about stuff and drinking beers. I'm exhausted. I'm really tired. Hey you're staying up tonight. All night everybody. I don't think I have that clock inside me. God damn it you're something special. You're gonna stay up all night and talk about it. I kind of think I'd just like to go into the arts and take it easy. Have a whiskey. Sit down. I don't enjoy what it does to me normally. We're going all night future big boy. Oh dad. I mean sorry Robert. I know you hate what I call you dad because we're peers. So he thinks David's a future star and he tells David that all the time. No. He tells his son he's gonna you have something you have

something special and one opportunity. This is by the way this is basically parenting today. It really is. Right. Isn't that what it is that you're gonna be the president of the United States boy. I'd rather just work in a factory and go home and absolutely not. You will invent a new way to hand glide or I will kill us both. I don't want to. I really just wanted to have like a job and then I go home and I hang out with my kids. I want a DNA test because this spawn is not mine. He's foreign. Yeah dad. I don't want to be anything special. I just want to be a guy. You got a quitter gene in you and that's not in our gene pool son. I just

don't want to be that. I just want to be a normal dude. See how far you can throw this ax boy. I bet it's just going to be quite a merry distance. Okay. All right. Now you're going to fight a dog. We're going to find what you have soon. So so he tells him if opportunities come your way you have to seize them. He goes to Varro Beach High School and David gets straight A's. He is the senior class president. He is president of the Honor Society and most importantly he is the official class poet. But a role that I had that role at my school and boy I did I fucked that up. I was on the poet team. I didn't make the official class poet

but I was I would go to other schools and we'd poet against them. Yeah. I mean I remember going to the homecoming poet off. Yeah. I mean that was big. Yeah. That's the big game. That's when the alums come out. You know it really. Yeah. It's an event. Oh and David was the class valedictorian. So he's hot shit. He sure he goes to University of Florida on a full scholarship. He would sell cigarettes on campus for extra money. A little side hustle. Okay. It's totally normal. Just a dude selling Lucy's out there. Someday you're going to sell Lucy's at school boy. You're going to be big. You're going to be a dispenser. He does

very well in college. He became a member of the prestigious Florida blue key speakers bureau. I have no idea. Also I don't. Very prestigious. Obviously. When I hear the name I get goosebumps. Yeah. So while it was the University of Florida he met Joyce Packwin in the fall of 1950 while he was checking his dad into Fort Pierce Hospital. His dad was ill and Joyce was temping there. What are you taking me to a doctor for boy. You can figure it out with your hands and your intuition. Cure me. Come on. You're the healer. Put your hands over me. Me Aggie style. Tell me where it hurts boy. You can take out whatever you want. Boy

do I have faith in you. So he and Joyce start dating. She likes him but she thinks he's she does think he's too nice. He would open car doors. He would hold chairs for lady like he was that like a southern gentleman type. He studied studied tons like he didn't stop studying. So they they didn't really had much time together as a couple. A friend said quote he wasn't brilliant but he worked harder studied harder than anyone else. He absorbed everything he could get. Part of that is probably is because of what his father's like instilled this pressure in him. So he's like yeah I must I must achieve. Yeah 100%. So he

really wasn't spending much time with Joyce. Like they're not really dating and then he sees her talking to a guy one day and he walks up to her them and he grabs her hand and he looks at the guy and he says Joyce isn't dating anyone and then he leads her away. Totally normal. Very normal stuff. Yeah yeah I mean that's no that's how it works when you've claimed property. You know when you when a woman is yours you take woman. You take yes. Dave you don't even need to go on with the directions. We all know what it is. You yank woman and you you shout at other man. Yeah you go man woman mind and you pull woman away.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's good. I always I put a little tag on them just so it's sort of just like you know it's clear. So they end up getting married in April 1954. He graduated. I love that this tactic works that he was like he's mine and she was like oh darn. It's a really good it's just a good thing for kids. Yeah when your soulmate is treated like a game of tag. So he graduates in two years. That's how hard he was studying. He graduates in two years and then he. Well I did it in one but good for the kid. He was lazy and then he goes on to get a law degree and OK. He sets up a law office in Fort Pierce which is around the area where he's

from and he very soon was considered the best lawyer in the city. OK. He dresses in an old fashioned manner. Now they have they have four kids and so he would dress in an old fashioned manner. But at home he wore as little as he could. OK. So and we're in like what like 19 like 15 now basically 70s. OK. So and he did this for a long time. So he's dressing like he's from the 1800s I guess or 1920s. Daughter Tamar Lee quote we girls had a terrible time with our first dates. Dad took great pleasure in picking the boys apart. Not only that but he would always come walking into the room in just his underwear and socks. We could never get

him to change. So he'd warn our dates ahead. So we'd warn our dates ahead of time. My father will be nude for the event too. Just so you know. Let me ask you this. When you've met other potential suitors parents do you see the genitals of the male. Yeah. So you're going to see our dad's balls. That's a first. Hello. Well. Well. Well. Elliott. A pleasure. Finally. Do you like me with all the clothing. Do you like milk and barrel. Yes. Can I fix you anything from the decanter area. Don't mind my bare bottom. It's fine. It's a little red because I've been sitting in leather all day. Now let's talk about what we want for our my

lovely daughter in the future. Have you grabbed her hand yet and claimed her as yours. Oh no. That's the next move boy. Now excuse me while I just lift my balls up a little to fold my legs. Now what I wanted to say to you while I spin this globe and have a sip on the old fashioned boy don't keep looking at the Jennies. The eyes are up here last. Good Lord. Of course you're scared. We're all scared. But when I was a boy I'm going to go to the window for this. It's a little dramatic. Go ahead. Watch me walk. My father told me that I was going to a mount to something. Gosh was he right. I worked very very hard for what I have.

Does this mole on my ass look strange. No it's. Yeah. I mean honestly yeah it's not. Yeah. It's spreading. I just wanted to take your daughter bowling. Oh great. I'd love to. Yes. We'll all go bowling. No. No. It's just me. Okay. I'll get my ball handbag. There we are. That's right. Spit it in here. It's not uncommon to get a little sick around me. There we are. Right in there now. Spit it up. Now did I mention that David really liked drinking. Well it kind of maybe factors into this underwear. He was a big drinker but he was also a workaholic at the same time. Right. So he had a lot of hollocks. So Joyce really didn't she didn't see

him much. He was always working until very very late in the evening. He became the Fort Pierce City attorney for two years. He was elected to the city's civil board of appeals for four years. He was on the Florida junior bars board of governors for a term. So he's like you know he's getting a lot done but the family's you know being neglected. Right. And he's getting drunk. He's getting drunk. He makes tons of political connections all over the state. Okay. It's at this point Florida is a democratic party state. Sure. And it had been one for a very long time. But in 1966 David decides to campaign for a

Republican running for governor Charlie Kirk. Okay. And Dem supporting Kirk were called Demo Kirk's. Wow. So the marketing's always been on point for them huh. Demo Kirk's. Oh my God. So Kirk wins and he puts David on the fourth district court of appeals as a judge in 1967. Okay. So big move. Okay. Big move up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At the time. Yeah. I mean an enormous move really. Right. I mean that's yeah. But he's really getting politically connected and moving along. And now at this time in Florida Supreme Court justices were elected. Not picked by a government. After being put on the appeals court David immediately the next

year runs for the Supreme Court. He loses but he does well. Jesus. Okay. Now afterwards he falls out with his campaign manager and the campaign manager starts talking shit publicly. All right. And he says that David was soliciting quote bundles of cash in contributions from lawyers who had cases that were pending before the court. Wow. That is. I mean. Okay. It's a different system. So he's like because he's just he's just he's running for office. He's a dummy. Yeah. He's running for office. So he's like hey how about a campaign contribution or you'll lose. And what if we made that the government. And this guy his

campaign manager said he personally witnessed David take large amounts of cash from four different lawyers. And then sure enough he tried to get them favorable rulings. He asked for campaign contributions from defendants in cases he was going to preside over. Wow. Those included Nancy Walkman who was the John Deere and Benner of the Walkman. Oh. Okay. John Deere. So she's got that deer money. She's got that John Deere money. You know what it's called. It's called Bucks. And she all he also took. I also tried to get money from Alice of Mary Alice Firestone of Firestone Tires. Oh my lord. So and they both and they

and they are they are defendants that he's trying to get money from. That's just different. Well Mary Mary Alice Firestone shot her husband who was most probably abusive. Okay. Nancy Walkman's thing was I can't remember what it was but it was you know but it's like that. They both had been right. Okay. Can they get a crime. So Joyce was Joyce now is just sick of she's sick of the politics. She's sick of all the drinking and she files for divorce and takes the four kids. Now pretty. He's like I'll be the judge for the divorce case and not granted. Plus I'm going to need a check. Yeah. I'm gonna also need a bride for

that. So he very quickly gets remarried to a woman he had also dated in college married. Oh sorry. Helen champion. Like just months later he's married. Okay. She has two daughters already and then the two of them have a baby at the end of 1969 which David cannot get enough of. He loves this baby. So he's maybe got a little Robert David thing going on with his baby. Well it also looks exactly like him. Yes. I often think that is where like the root of a lot of I mean I don't know anything. I don't have kids but I think sometimes like when people are overdoing it I'm like yeah because it's like you like it's me look

at me look at me. It's me here. Look at me walking around. Look at me with I look how I'm stacking up this stuff right now. Look at me. I'm making fake spaghetti like a goddamn genius over here. Look at me. I'm gonna take a bunch of pictures of me. So in 1971 of the Supreme Court justice dies and a seat on the Supreme Court opens up. Now that that's when a governor couldn't point one. It's not the regular election cycle. So the president the president also very strange. It is a weird little like in between her. So the president elect of the state bar is told that Governor Kirk is gonna pick David. Okay. And he is horrified because he's

from Fort Pierce and he knows David very well and he thought quote he is a crook and an absolute moral degenerate. Well Dave get him on the court hurry. And then the state bar gave the governor a report that basically said David is suspected of all these criminal activities. Right. And I'm going to okay. And so the governor obviously takes that and is fucking furious. Wives his ass with it. Oh really. Yes. Because furious at what at being given the not like of being called out like that. No he thinks Democrats are trying to undermine David McCain. He's like oh this guy's a great guy. They're playing politics. Yeah. And

so he's right. He's livid. He cannot believe. So he just immediately picks David and he's like David's on the Supreme Court. Okay. Man you got to love how we operate. We are just like I mean we're just every every version of it. It's just bonkers. We just are like it's just it. It had. When was the last time it was like about like doing the right things. That's been gone for how long. Just so long. A hundred years. 200 years. Ever. It's just been gone. It ever was. I mean honestly. Yeah. Right. Right. So David's only 39. He's on the Florida Supreme Court. Sure. Papers call him a traditionalist. Say he's not a reformer. And

David says quote this has been a dream of mine from the time I was a young boy first to be a lawyer and then a judge. What boy God the money I'm gonna doesn't sit in his house and just dream of being a lawyer and a judge. I used to get in a lot of trouble because I'd be putting the hammer through the wall saying order order. Well that's why so many kids wear judges robes around the house. Oh well every Halloween. I mean what's the costume you can't get. Judge Rose. That's right. Every goddamn time. Yeah. Every time. No no. You got to order gavels online. It's just crazy. So you went as a judge last year. But I want to be a

judge again. I guess. Dear kids always want to be judges like mine. Son we bought you a new gavel. Oh my God. Order. Order. Sustained. Sustained. Bay lift. Get him out of here. I don't want to hear any more of this garbage from you. I want a 10 minute recess. Mother father please approach the couch. So the allegations by his ex campaign manager of taking the campaign contributions will they come up as soon as he's picked to be on the Supreme Court. They're they're once again in all the papers. David says quote I will not dignify any comments made by such a bitter individual except to say they are not true. He's playing

politics Dave. Everybody's playing politics. Now the aid. The aid now expounds more on what he saw and he says when one lawyer this happened a few times I guess but it says when a lawyer donated twenty five dollars David said quote let's hope he doesn't come before me on the appellate bench because he's lost his case. Wow. I mean again the guy gave him money. Yeah. Just not enough. I mean the guy like a twenty five. I mean by the way it is a dumb bribe amount like if you're going to bribe a judge it's not like a valet. You know you don't give him to keep it up front money. It's yeah but maybe the guy didn't have any money

or he's just like the whole thing's garbage but it's just like look if you're gonna bribe if you're gonna play the game let's play the game. Yeah. Here's eight dollars in nickels so if you could not guilty feels pretty good doesn't it your honor. He also so David also gave favorable rulings for defendants who could help his reelection. He took money that now the the guy says he took money from gangster Meyer Lansky so it's not great. I mean it's not great news sure but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because he's on the Supreme Court now right. He's already on the Supreme Court. Right. So Helen says look Helen says he

loved it and the daughter said this is a great time in their lives and Helen said he wanted quote so badly for his opinions to be a work of art. I don't get this. This is what I never understand. It's this okay so he is someone who is just straight up getting bribed. A hundred percent. And and and we know that and that is true and yet they're allowed to still be painted as some sort of visionary. It's like they're not. There's like nobody nobody has like nobody has any actual beliefs anymore. I mean there's like three people who have actual beliefs. Everyone else is just like all right well you pay me to do that. I guess yeah okay I won't vote for

that. Like and yet you're and yet we're talking about ideologies all the time and stuff like he's a traditionalist he believes and it's like no no no it's just they've landed in this version of corruption. They're not like ah this is what I stick to. It's like no I mean I you know whatever value the Koch brothers whatever. This is also his wife who's you know when you're married to someone you're on board with the just nonsense right. You're like oh yeah no he loves the court he loves the law. But it's the normalization of like the bad behavior where it's like like why is Jenna Bush on the Today Show. Oh fuck yeah don't get

me and I just you know. I'm sorry. So I mean he would actually he would wake Helen up at like 3 a.m. to breed her an opinion he'd written. Wow. Which is super normal and totally cool. It was so great last night my husband weighed me woke me up in the middle of the night and read me an opinion he'd written. It was really wonderful. It was about Helen. It was about Helen. Yes. Helen. Yes. Rise my love. Rise. Helen are you up open your eyes. Yeah what time is it. It's 3 15 in the morning. Oh you're so me wrong. What's going on. I've just written an unbelievable opinion I want to share with you. Okay can we do that in the

morning. It's about redistricting certain land areas and one of the guys has paid me a few thousand dollars to deny the thing I was just talking about which is super specific. So you ready to hear it baby doll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay all right. I don't believe in a lot of things but one thing I do hold strong on is the ability to give a man control of land that he's already had control of. So I think it would be prudent for me to allow the land to stay at the plaintiff's hands and deny the defendant. This is how these sound. Is this about this is about Native Americans. No no no no no it's two white men but one of

them has paid me a lot of money to deny. Well he's representing Native Americans. It doesn't matter who's I'm just jazzed about the whole thing. Maybe I should throw in some colorful words. Okay. Oh and I didn't tell you I'll be banging the gavel a lot throughout that too. Oh great. I'd like to bang you to bang another gavel right now. You mean right another opinion. Yeah I'd like you to write an opinion. Strong one. Over and over. Oh you want a really strong one. Yeah. I'm gonna go to the typewriter right now. All right I'll see you later. Okay bye. Bye. Door close. Person goes back to sleep.

Um. Hell it wake up. So now uh so not David is really drinking. He's really uh he's really excelling at the drinking. Sure. He went he got invited to the Talsy Bar Association to give a speech. It's his first time there as a Supreme Court judge and quote he could hardly stand up and the room of lawyers could barely understand what he was saying during the speech. Wow. Supreme Court Supreme Court Justice Ben Overton later said sharing an elevator with David in the morning was quote like you were in a bar that had just opened up. So he's just I mean it's what I mean yeah he's a glutton. Yeah he's so he's just taking

getting bribed getting shit canned. He's a he's a functioning alcoholic like there's tons of people out there. He's just sounds like he's a thriving alcohol. Yeah right sure. Justice B.K. Roberts called him a quote falling down drunk. This is stuff they said later. So he's like he's just like the local Supreme Court Yeltsin. Yeah and everybody like it's it's not like it's it's an open secret like everybody fucking knows this guy's the drug judge. Right. He usually didn't make it to court the Supreme Court in the morning unless he they were gonna be oral arguments or else he just wouldn't he

just worked from home. Sure. Reporter Martin Dykeman who wrote a lot of a lot of the source material quote occasionally he would bring in draft opinions that the law clerks considered bizarre. Okay he's okay he's drunk judging. It's a jolly drunk judging. I think there's an English expression which is drunk as a judge sober as a lord. So judges must just bring the hammer man. Oh my god is that really a thing that's hilarious. Yeah there's like 18 of those weird little English terms of phrase but yeah okay so. So friends and state officials often saw him drunk in chambers as early as 9 a.m. Sure. Now

David started talking to Joyce again in 1973. Oh all right. All right. She's she's gone up to Michigan. She wants another break off the Kit Kappa. All right. She's gone to Michigan and remarried but I guess he goes up there to visit the kids and then he starts visiting more and more and spending more and more time with Joyce. How bad is her new husband that she's like yeah this guy. Now that's probably what he did. He probably she was just like in the yard like having a barbecue with her family and then he just like grabbed her hand and he was like she lives with me again now. Oh damn it. You know the law. Here we go. What can I

do. Man off to a new life. Men. Men want. I go. Man want. Man take. Ow. All right. I go in the trunk. He says goodbye. Goodbye. So just if Joseph Boyd was elected to the Supreme Court in 1968. Okay. He had grown up a quote penniless hillbilly student who slept in haunted houses and fought bulldogs. That was his. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how it goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's a I mean again it's a little boring at this point. I mean you hear it so often that a child is raised in haunted houses and fights dogs. That's right. So yeah it happens. Yes. Of course. Absolutely. So he is just as Boyd is a he before he

becomes Supreme Court judge. He's a real estate lawyer. He has almost no experience on the bench. He's a real estate lawyer. That's a totally different animal. So is he just appointed in some B.S. way as well. No. He ran for election. He was he was whatever a Democrat or Republican and people just went oh I'm going to vote for the Democrat. No one knows anything about the fucking judges. They just they see the D.R. and they pick them. Right. Right. When people when someone brought up that he had no bench experience boy said quote that is just not true. I was a judge in the Miss Opa locker beauty contest. I find Miss Fort

Lauderdale to be the runner up and Miss Tampa guilty of winning the competition. So crazy. Yeah. It's insane. I mean that is like I mean. So another judge justice. It was a bikini versus talent. Landmark case. So justice Hal Deckley was elected to the Supreme Court in January 1971. He felt that he owed favors to donors who had given him money. Particularly one guy. It's pretty good Dave how they're getting this Supreme Court ready to go. They're particularly one guy who was a real estate developer. So he did things for those donors like call a judge who was overseeing a case and said it was important that his friends win. So now

they saw the Supreme Court. He would start calling lower judges and be like you know be really great if Frank would win this case. You know what I mean. Like he's a he's a bud. He's one of he's one of us. He's a bud. It's so cool how in order to get to a position of authority once you get there you just pay back all the people who helped you get there in a corrupted system. It's really perfect. I wonder why shit's so bad. So after you call that judge the judge ended up accusing himself. He's like well I can't do this now. But then other judges found out why he recused himself and then no one wanted to take the kid. They were

all just like I don't want the case. Like if that's what's gonna happen. Like it just causes this crazy ripple effect. Right. Right. Now Judge Boyd is out golfing with a buddy who happens to be a lobbyist for a utility company. Interesting. And they're talking about this case that that the utility company has in front of the Supreme Court. Oh man. Just a couple of guys. Just a couple of guys chewing the fat. Yeah. Just yeah. Have a regular legal golf talk. And he and the and Judge Boyd says no work dick. We're gonna you know clearly fine for you guys. Your utility company. Obviously. And so the lobbyist is like hey cool. What if I

write the opinion for you and then you can like turn it in. Yeah. Of course. Why would that be. So. Yes. Yes. Yes. So he does. He writes a 14 page. Great. The opinion and and for some reason George. Sorry. For some reason Boyd has it and he's in his office with I think a couple of his law clerks or whatever. And he just strikes me. He's like oh this is a really fucking shitty idea. I shouldn't do this. What. When was. Is that the last time that happened within our system that some of us like I feel like I'm wronging people. I might be doing bad. Yes. Am I batting. Me. My bones hurt with bad. So. So he asks his. Wait. He asks. Who is he

going to ask. Is it wrong to have the people who were judging write the opinion for me. Is it strange. So he. Okay. This is. He takes his 24 year old law clerk into the men's room. It's a strange beginning. Keep going. With the 14 page memo. And in front of his law clerk. Going to poop together. So his law clerk can be a witness. He tears it up and flushes it down the toilet. Okay. Very very normal supreme. Proving what. Very normal supreme. So I think. Why not just not do it. He's trying to say like oh I didn't. I didn't turn this in. And I'm destroying it because it's bad. Like leaving. Why not just not do it. Leaving out

the part that it should have never been written for him and sent to him. Right. Yeah. I would just be like I'm not going to do it. Instead of being like come in here. So I'm horribly corrupted but I'm going to flush this down the toilet. Make sure you write that down. He will later explain why but not yet. But the thing is is that the lobbyist had also given a copy to judge Deckley. Okay. And that judge forwarded to David. Okay. So now David is going to be like whoa whoa whoa. So three. That's exactly how this works. Three guys. Three Supreme Court judges have seen it. Now this isn't great timing. It turns out for this to happen

because the Judicial Qualifications Commission which is this sort of legal body that oversees judges that almost has very rarely formed like come into a commission to investigate stuff. Well they're actually now investigating the court because they've heard so many things about it about judges calling judges and being like hey can you do me a favor. They it's you know they've heard about Deckley doing this and they're like yeah look at it. Yeah they've heard about the Supreme Mob Court. Yeah so it's a really bad time to do this thing of letting a lobbyist write your opinion for you. Sure. And then at the same time

the St. Petersburg Times breaks a story about David trying to fix a criminal case in the court of appeals as well as the fact that the the JQC was investigating David's ties to a powerful lawyer for rich clients. So the the Firestone lady the Wakeman the John Deere lady that guy's clients. Yeah now they're like what's going on with this. Oh so things are looking good for the court and David in general. And so now all of the Supreme Court justices are fucking pissed. They're all pissed because someone leaked this information. Are all the judges kind of shady? No they're mad. Well some are. Most are. Yeah yeah

obviously some are. Most are. At least four and there's seven on there. But at least four. Here we go. That's a good that's a it's always good to have a corrupted majority. But they're just they're just mad that someone leaked it. They're literally just mad like which clerk did like they're angry at their own employees. Yeah they got thrown out. We took a look at it. We find ourselves to be pretty innocent on this one. So we're not guilty for us. Really we're just mad about the loose lips thing. So there's gonna be there's gonna be. That's terrible. Give me some heads rolling. Secrets used to be a big part of this. So

the Supreme Court rules on a case that comes in front of it and it forbids the JQC from using wiretaps or conversations from. I wonder how the court's gonna find for this one. From criminal investigations. Right. So you have a criminal investigation and there's a wiretap but it's not using the wiretap. They said you can't use it against judges who tried to influence the case. Yeah. Okay. So that's I'm just trying to think who that helps. Because it's a very specific law but obviously they're there. I mean they're the experts obviously. Yes we believe that wiretaps should be legal unless it's about a body of judges who

seem to be influencing cases. I mean you're literally being like the only time you can't do it is the time you're the thing you're doing right now to us. That is it. Everything else you can do. So this in no court in all of America has this ever better thing. There's no there's no previous judge. Carve out for judges. Yeah. I mean judges. Judges. You're like in the legal system being like and the top tier members of this system. They yeah they don't they they're not held accountable. No okay great. So yeah literally no court has come close to this kind of decision. It's like legally insane that they did this. Right. Even Boyd.

Now Boyd is not one who influences other judges. He's just an idiot in other ways. He writes an opinion dissenting this this decision and he basically said later the opinion was written to let the public know quote something terrible was happening. Something terribly rotten was happening. Okay. So it wouldn't take long for the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out that crazy insane ruling of the Florida Supreme Court. Okay. I thought okay. I thought you're going the other way. All right. Yeah. So right. So they're like no you can wiretap judges. Yeah. No they're like if you hear a judge but only whether but they shouldn't not if the

judges were potentially influencing the case. We just think that that at that point what is the point. You know what I'm saying. It makes no sense there. I mean who know. It's just you know I'm saying it just doesn't seem to make any sense. Yeah. No. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No I'm with you. Yeah. So here. Yeah. You want some whiskey. Yeah. Here's. Yeah. Have a little bit of whiskey. Here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I have. What are you going to do. Yeah. My new ruling. I'm going to write an opinion. I know we've been drinking for a while but I'm writing a new opinion. Yeah. And it's very fucking simple. Judges can do whatever in

the fuck they want and fuck you. All right. I'm going to add a little flavor into this law we're talking about. I'm a little sick of the ropes. Thank you. I think a judge should be allowed to walk around the courtroom like he's in his den. And in my den nudity happens to be allowed. So there's nothing wrong with having a judge in a pair of tight underpants and a couple gold chains and roaming. I don't like this. This whole bench thing seems like such a formality. If the bench is clear maybe. But I also think the judge should be allowed to sort of walk around Sherlock Holmes style taking in events and details and again casually drinking. And if look if it slips out it slips out. Yeah.

It happens. Look these loose panties I'm wearing if it slips out through the side it slips out through the side. I don't I don't sometimes I don't want to go down the hall to the bathroom. I just want to go in the corner. You know. And that's like all right. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Addendum. Judges can make in any zone in the room they want. Thank you. Yeah. I think it just makes total sense. And we're allowed to marry any attractive people to us by taking their hand. That is a sign of judge marriage. Yeah. That's right. And anybody can write any opinion whoever we want. Yeah. That's fine. And I get I get to spit on people. I

get to spit on them. That's and you can again you can use the toilet anywhere in the courtroom and you could call while you're pissing on the wall or whatever on the bailiff you could say I'm a justice of the piss. Can I also just say that we get to wear headbands without question we get to wear headbands and I think we should be allowed to paint our faces and our chests. Thank you. I'm not fucking around anymore. I'm a little sick of all this rule. No I should rule rule. You should come in a court. See my painted face and be like what the fuck is happening and I should be able to go like you got it right. You're guilty. OK. All right. On Fridays you get to paint a face

on your butt and pretend that your anus is the mouth. Thank you. I think we're done. I think we're done. Cheers. There's nothing left to say now that you signed off on that last part which I was afraid you were going to find crazy. It's totally normal and try to try to stop this supreme court of the United States. Good luck. Rock solid rock solid decision. But the gavel in your butt pretend like it's a pipe. It's Friday baby. What. Huh. No I'm just saying I'm going with the painted face on your butt thing. The gavel end could go in and it would look like a corn cob pipe. If you painted the right face on your butt I'm saying it'd be a funny ad. You could even light it and go I'm not sure if

I've heard enough of this case. You know stuff like that. Fridays only. Awesome. Awesome. Not fucking awesome. Not that not the pipe thing. Excuse me. I'm a justice of the piss. Okay. I like that. There we go. Thank you. The Supreme Court threw it out but during that time when it was you know ruled by the Florida Supreme Court and then over ruled by the U.S. Supreme Court it gave David like it gave him a screen like he it made it hard for the the J.Q.C. to go after him. Right. And so three months after that ruling David asked to sit in a judge's place. I like this is something they could do. He asked to sit in the judge's place on the appellate court when a lawyer who brought up tons of contributions

had a case scheduled. So he I guess he could literally just go like hey man if I sit in on this one you know I'm top dog. I feel like you're a tag team. I'm a tag man. I'm top dog. So let me jump in on this. Take me in. Is that cool. Take me in. Hit my hand. You're in. I'll run the case. It's the crazy. It's so weird. Like how would they think that's a good thing. Anyway the court. I mean yeah. Well the problem is the judges are coming up with the laws. Yeah. And so remember I remember I said the court the they were just mad about the leaks and now the court charges Boyd's aid. The guy went in the bathroom with them with contempt of court for leaking a different document. What. He'd like shown

a document to a friend. An old class. Yeah. Just a bull. A bullshit thing just to bust him for the other thing. He was at the dinner with a guy that he gone to law school with he showed him a thing and then the guy turned him in. So. But what did he even do in the first place other than just go to the bathroom. Well it's not even about that. They're just trying to get. Right. Trying to get it. They just don't want. Right. Right. He knows. He knows too much. They blame him for the bigger leak. So they're getting him for a smaller one. What do you expect when you go in a bathroom with two other guys you're going to get a big leak. All right. Hey all right everybody two for one wings. So the chief

justice of the Supreme Court wants this legal aid disbarred but he only gets probation. The aid is already let he's not even working on this for the Supreme Court. He is now gone to D.C. and is working for the U.S. Justice Department. Good. And when he goes to his bosses and he goes look I got put on probation and they say quote it's a mark of honor to be held in contempt by the Florida Supreme Court in our department. Lord. Oh God. Oh man. So so there's now major tension on the court. Boyd says the other judges are angry because they all blame him for the memo situation. Right. The opinion and the other judges are like shut up boy. So they're a pay and then a couple of the judges start talking to the

newspapers and a paper reports two judges said Boyd had gone to an New Orleans clinic for psychiatric treatment and possibly had a nervous breakdown. OK. And most very I mean it's a lot of undercutting day. Yeah. And most of the justices it turns out are now supporting Boyd's opponent in the next election. Wow. So I mean it is like it's like the real housewives of the judicial system. Oh it's crazy. So right before the Democratic primary Boyd holds a press conference and accuses Justice B.K. Roberts of tricking him into going to the psychiatric clinic. Oh my Lord. So. So. So Roberts was at this point I guess this is the Chief Justice Rotate. So he's the Chief Justice and he he Boyd says Roberts

told him all the justices had to get mental exams to stay on the court with him. What. So they're like hazing him into like getting expelled. They like tricked him to go to psychiatric psychiatric. All the judges are doing it. And then and then like he went to psychiatric clinic like then they they're just trying to undermine him in the lecture. Just one day like yeah. Then they was like did you guys get if you guys got a gut in your psychiatric evaluations yet. It's really weird. The guy was asking me a lot of questions. He was recording it. Oh God. Strange. It's weird that we do that. So it's a new thing is the weird. Yeah. It's brand new thing. I hadn't heard of. So I was sort of like but I went and did it twice.

So that'll be fine. So now as far as the J. Q. C. investigation Declay says quote a lack of bad faith and moral turpitude in the matter should excuse me from a removal from the bench. So he's like look I'm I'm such a good dude that even though I did this thing I'm pretty fucking rad. And I'm an emperor of the court. So. And then he said so many memos and briefs came into his office. It would be easy for an improper one to find its way in because I'm just flooded with like memos and briefs. And so you know one written by lobbyist that's good. That's going to get in here. What am I supposed to do. Be good at this. So he also it's amazing how like that. I mean for people

who had to pass the bar. They've made the bar so low. Oh my God. And so he also said quote there has been no wrongdoing. No big deal involved. All right. And they're sure there's no questions. So we're good to go. It's I guess I have that you should see my desk. It is flooded with papers all bad ones good ones. It's all just there's all kinds of stuff on there. I don't have time to do the job you elected me to. Good God. Now it turns out the J QC is also a problem because it's full. It's judges looking into other judges and nine of the 13 have to agree if a punishment is warranted. But some are voting as a block and letting off judges. So all you need is just all you need is five

right. And then no one can. Nothing can happen. So we've just got a rotting heart of judges that is just going to spread throughout the world of judgment until it. So the J. Oh Florida. The J QC has a hearing over the lobbyist opinion that was written. Sure. And the judges testified that the pre written opinion was no big deal. So all the judges on the court are like it's no big deal. Someone wrote this thing and it's not a big thing. And what happens what they said they're at they're at a hearing to determine how a lobbyist has written the thing and they all come out and they go look the leak is the problem. The fact that somebody let this out. That's the problem. That's right. Yeah. Right. Yep. And then the real that's

the issue under questioning Roberts admits that he tricked Boyd into going to the psychiatric clinic. And then he after that he says well Boyd secretary found 11 bottles of pain pills in his desk all prescribed by different doctors. OK. I mean and then I'm what it was like was he also like and after your evaluation pretend you broke your back and just go to like eleven doctors and just really load up. We're all doing it. It's just the thing we have to do. And then Boyd secretary comes in and she's like yeah he he has 11 bottles of pain pills and she said Boyd would slam quote handfuls of pills. OK. So we're just like there's just no real OK. I mean David's drunk all the time. I know. So our court right now is a guy who's

hammered all the time and a guy who's just eating prescription pills like for lunch. Yeah. Just yeah. Just chewing vikes. She also said one day Boyd came in and told her that he thought Declie was going to shoot all of them. So it's a really god. It's a really cool Supreme Court. I'm going to go eat a handful of pills but I feel like Declie is going to kill us. Anyway we're probably going to stay a little late tonight. Then Boyd testifies and says he doesn't remember getting the memo. He doesn't know where that happened. And when he's asked why he then they're like well why did you flush it down the toilet. And he said well look I used to be an investigator quote I found that this was the most complete way

of getting rid of something. What I mean is this like what is he what how does that even like it's like have you never thought of what you're going to say to this question. It's like a judge who a judge who's like you know it's like flushing heroin down the toilet. It's just what you do. Why did you why did you bury her. Well because I murdered her so I didn't want y'all to find her. So is that crazy. Oh my god. So he also said it could have easily been smuggled to do his office which was very easy. Quote when oh yeah people are always smuggling briefs in here. He said it was really easy. Quote when people find out what kind of medication I have in my desk drawers and when I find little pieces of metal

on the side of the telephone which indicates to me my phone is bugged when things disappear out of my life. Can we let's just take a quick recess everyone. We don't need to talk for a little bit I think with the talking seems to be getting in the way of a lot of the things we wanted to say and leave the impression of. So you know the problem is that the problem is that things will appear on my desk. I've had so much oxy cotton fork stick to me. Does that make sense. Oh yeah. No your honor it absolutely makes sense. Thank you. We're going to take a break. I'm going to piss. I'm pissing. Okay. So he's as you can imagine from this one statement he is a complete disaster on the stand. That's not what a lot of us were

getting from that Dave. He only testified for an hour and a half and during that time he admitted that he destroyed the evidence that he didn't tell the JQC or the bar or the court about the opinion and that and then he also said the lobbyist was someone who always told the truth. Even the lobbyist had said Boyd asked for the memo. So he just completely like it was just devastating to him. It's a blaze of glory. He just set everything on fire. I was like I did it. I still okay. I can't wait to figure out why he thought it was a good idea to be like. I think he's an idiot. Yeah. Okay. Well that's a great explanation but it's just like the idea of being like oh wait wait wait. I don't want to get rid

of this alone. I need people to know I flushed it down the toilet. I mean there really is the only reason you would flush it is because you know it's completely illegal that it's there and that's why you would have a witness. Which I get. You're basically saying I want the witness to know I didn't use this but. I feel like you're highlighting it's like you protest too much. I mean I just feel like you're saying like just get rid of it. Get rid of it. Just get. I mean he probably had like a bottle of Xanax advising him like a devil on his shoulder. Yeah. I mean. You know what you ought to do. Flush it down the loo. Now Declie has a completely separate hearing and in a pretrial deposition over the opinion

that the lobbyist brought. He said the lobbyist told him he was writing it for Boyd and was going to give him a copy. Was there anything incriminating he was able to say. That would affect Boyd in any way. Declie said he thought quote this is a nice way to put it. He's not lobbying me really. He's just giving me a copy. If he is lucky enough for me to be with him which I think is a nice way for an attorney to do. I mean this this. This set of this set of judges. These these are judges. These are judges. It sounds like I mean it sounds like just like everybody switched bodies and then we're like how do we pretend we're judges for a week. We've got to seem like we know what we're doing. So Boyd and Declie are charged

with conduct unbecoming a judge. Now that's nice nice and light. So that but that's just like the those are just like the hearings and then determining the charges. So Boyd goes on trial for violating the ex parte rule destroying evidence not reporting the memo to the bar the JQC or the court. So at this trial is secretary testifies again says the exact same stuff. Four days later he fires her and called her testimony her quote farewell address. Good. I mean let's let's time to be a little further blatant. I mean it's weird. It's almost like they only knew how to like lie a little bit like now it's just people lie forever. Like they're like their lies will gather but it seems like you were caught

in your one lie. You're like well I shouldn't be lying anymore about you know whereas now you just lies but get lies and you know. Yeah. So Declie and Boyd are both found guilty of misconduct and it's recommended that they were removed from the bench. So in this court in this JQC court they're like OK so they've they've done misconduct and they should be removed. And the final decision to remove them is up to this thing called the Supreme Court of Florida. OK good. So just to be clear it seems like I mean are they literally going to be like well I've heard the testimony against me and I'm just not buying it. So how does. So all the other judges they mostly recused themselves but they but they get to

pick their replacement. This is just. And then the one guy that the new governor had put on who was super ethical like the new guy and was like an honest judge. Right. Declie went to him and said I think you should recuse yourself and he goes OK. And he did it even though he didn't need to. He didn't need to at all. But he's like yeah OK that makes sense. So. Sure. I don't know anything. So it's a panel of seven judges that the court picks and guess what the panel. They're they're homers. Yeah. It doesn't. It doesn't remove the convention just reprimands Boyd and Declie. Right. And so Boyd and Declie are like. Yeah. So look we're back. So they called they called Boyd's conduct quote bumblingly bizarre. But

they also said look his dad is dying right now and he's under a lot of mental stress. Oh for God's sake. And then they say and then they say they couldn't find any proof that he was quote dishonest corrupt or venal or that he accepted a bribe. So they created this new definition and they said since he didn't take any cash it wasn't corruption. What did he take. He took he took an opinion from a lobbyist. Oh right. Yeah. But. But yeah to fuck but it wasn't is he not getting some sort of kickback off of that situation. Of course he's at the end of the day. He would get help from the campaign campaign contribution at the end of the day is what you do. But there's no one actually handing him money.

But there's no right. So it's just they're right. OK. They're like we don't have footage of it. So it's cool. So Boyd and Declie immediately they go out and they declare victory and Declie says quote I feel vindicated. He said he was happy and confident that he'd be reelected. But then the next day you know people are like what the fuck is this. And he comes out and he admits accepting the opinion was a quote procedural wrong. And he'd be a better judge for it moving forward. He's learned his lesson. He knows what to do now. I felt like being a judge was not one of those jobs where you were learning on the fly. Look I'm getting like it was kind of like the end of the road a little bit as a judge. You know

my first few years I did a lot of illegal stuff but now I'm getting better. I'm doing a lot less illegal stuff. It turns out in order to be a judge you can't be a criminal. So and I've learned that I learned that the hard way. Nobody told me. So after saying he would be a better judge for moving forward Declie added that he'd been the victim of a quote wicked vendetta. This this witch hunt shit always. And then Boyd declared he was quote totally unimpressed with the reprimand. So they're just saying that they got away with it. They don't give a shit. What they did was fine. Well once you once you get away with it you're able to declare that it was a witch hunt and that you've been vindicated

and all that stuff because it. Yeah. I mean that is the appearance but it doesn't matter how you get to the place where people stop talking about it once you get there. You've won. It's over. So the the judges staffs right. They're all lawyers and they're just like this is all too much and they right. They start turning in their their judges on the Supreme Court for improper behavior and leaking it to the press. OK. So David is now really angry about these leaks. Good. It's good that he's actually finally focusing on the right stuff too. And and Judge Roberts says quote all of McCain's Irish temper came out and he exploded and explained that he wasn't going to have anybody burglarizing his office. And

then David threatened whoever leaked it with a beat down. Oh my god. So I mean it's just like the mafia. It's just I mean it's honestly like you just picture Billy Bob Thornton in Bad Judge is threatening to beat up other lawyers. Yeah. He's just crazy. So now he's a judge. He's a judge. A judge. I mean I really like it. You know I'm not saying it's the most respectable position. Obviously corruption bleeds into everywhere but this is like Judge Bolsonaro. It's crazy. So everyone in the state now flips out because this seems like just obvious good old boy network covering for each other which it is. Right. It totally is. And the Orlando Seattle said quote the Supreme Court treats the judiciary and the

legal profession as a private club. So pretty much every paper is just like this is fucking crazy. Every paper in the state is like OK enough. The Florida House starts impeachment proceedings against Boyd and Declay. So they have this is where this is where you tell me that they get to rule over their impeachment. So they start a they start a to do impeachment if you don't know you doesn't just go straight to impeachment because in the House of Florida so they start a commission and the commission decides whether or not there should be an impeachment and then it goes forward and then they vote on impeachment. So the articles of the articles. So Declay testifies and just fucking buries himself. It's just the same

stumbling bumbling shit. And he quits the Supreme Court four days later while saying he's innocent. He says look I'm innocent but my health is suffering and I can't afford the legal fees on a judge's salary to defend myself against all this stuff which is why I take money. Here's the thing. Yeah. I take money because I don't have the money to defend myself from all the legal problems from the fact that I'm taking money. I know it's a it's a cycle if you think about it. But I need to be paid more is what I'm saying. Do you understand this. See. But I mean it's just again. I mean you the behave. I just love the behavior of being like I'm resigning on my turn. No asshole. You don't get to do that. Why do we it's just

so constant that we let people be like well I don't agree with it. I'm leaving. I mean he quit because he was going to go down like he was. Yeah. No you're saving as much face as possible. So Boyd melted down again in front of the commission while testifying saying he was the victim of a plot quote both the black hat and white hat boys are after me. Did I not tell you about the black hat white hat boys. Well they're a crew of multicolored top hat wearing absolute scoundrels. They've not left me alone for a while. Every night I walk home I just hear the click clack of Chappos on their heads. Have you seen spy versus spy. It's basically that but there's 10 of them. So well I guess it's time for

me to introduce the court to the white hat black hat boys. Boyd also said his secretary had tried to get him kicked off the court by saying he had a mental illness which I don't. It's just that the black hat white hat boys put a chip in my veins but the commission after right after he testifies the commission is delayed because the legislator who was running it had a sack on his esophagus and he had to have surgery and during the surgery he almost died. Oh my God. It was probably money. So weeks go by and then they. All right are we ready to. Well hold on everyone. I've got a throat sack. So weeks go by and then they finally go let's have someone else take over the commission. And this new guy

does. I mean is this feel this sounds like a student UN. Like it's run with the same hands. Like just you don't get to just be like you'll be China. It doesn't matter. And when they come back into session the house just decides like bringing a guy a movie critic in for the last five minutes of a movie to replace the guy who watched the beginning of it and be like now you write you write you tell us what it is. And because all this time has gone by they just decide not to impeach Justice Boyd. I don't know. Well this is taking forever. We can't impeach at this point. It'd be rude. But Boyd did agree. For them dropping the impeachment charges that he would get a mental and physical exam at the University

of Florida. It's another trap. Well they were hoping having seen him on the witness stand and read about his that he that he they're like this guy's out of his gourd. Right. And so they're thinking he will be they'll he'll be declared unfit and then then that's easy to take him off the court. That's a super easy right procedural thing to do. Sure. But he doesn't go to the University of Florida. He goes to University of Miami and the doctors there say he has no signs of mental illness. And the report said Boyd was quote a highly scrupulous and meticulous almost over conscientious person who in spite of his long experience in the political arenas is probably more vulnerable to criticism than he is likely to believe.

And he is a highly principled man. He's so principled that your accusations hurt him. He's sad. You made him sad. You made the judge sad. So he then ran on his next election was coming up and he said he's the only judge who's been declared sane by this. By the way I guess at this point it actually is a good selling point. He won was the only saying judge on the court. He won was legally he won was 64 percent of the vote. Of course Dave I mean look he's been declared not insane. What a gift. So the House the focus of the House committee they're not done and they then turn their focus on Justice David McCain. Now one of David's legal aids told the JQC that he had asked for her to find why a case

should be appealed. But it wasn't even in front of the Supreme Court yet. So that's not what you would ever do. You're not like right. Hey what's up with this case in this thing. Well no you're supposedly your desk is covered in so many papers that you don't know what a lobbyist lobbyist that's not going in. It's not going to 14 page opinion into your stack. And then it turned but he's like I just want to work on future cases that aren't mine if that's cool. Is that weird. It's a hobby. Just a little recreational thing I'm doing. Well it turned out two lawyers involved in the case bought David's old house in Fort Pierce. Interesting. Weird. I wonder what the connection is. The House committee then

learned the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had found out David was friends with an ex-prison guard who was put in jail for letting inmates out to commit burglaries. Wait. And what scheme is that. He gets a kick back. He must have gotten a kick back and given them a little bit of money. I mean that is the crazy. Well you could have your full term or you can be what we call a prison intern. It's so nice. You could be a part top cat burglar for me. And the real. So jail or crime. Which would you rather. The reason they looked into it is because David had pulled strings to get the X guards civil rights restored. So he must have gotten his voting rights back and stuff like that. So. Wow. When the committee

hearings were going on the X guard had been charged with smuggling marijuana. So this guy's this guy's deep into the drug world. Now at David's impeachment hearing tons of evidence to present all the shit we've already talked about the committee then decided to survey every judge in Florida and found three more that he had tried to influence by calling. Four X Supreme Court researchers said David testified. Four X Supreme Court researchers testified that David rigged the courts for his friends and one time bragged that there is a quote fix for a specific case. And that guy turned out to be one of his ex fraternity brothers college. Oh my Lord. It was learned. I mean it just it does just show you like

how casual. I mean it's what happens. I mean it's just so casual. It's out the open. Quiet parts out loud. It was learned that in February 1973 David paid off his second mortgage which was overdue at the time and he paid it with nine thousand four hundred and forty dollars in cash all 10 and twenty dollar bills. It's just it's also like like look it's a mortgage. It's not that much like it's just like sacrificing. You don't admit for your I mean obviously look you're a regular person but you're paid to just be above this and clearly you're not but you're just doing it for like your house payment. It's just sort of like it's dude. Come on dude. Like not dude. I just love that he painted in ten and twenty dollar bills.

This is totally normal for a judge. This is just judge stuff. We get we get paid in tips. I'm a judge. I get paid in tips. Can you imagine losing count. Oh shit. Oh fuck. God damn it. All right. Here we go. I'll do the 10s first this time. Get them out of the way since they take so long. Do you think about getting a 50 David. No. No. Didn't cross my mind. I actually I my first instinct was to do it with twos but they didn't have enough. So when the press questioned him about it David said the money came from his father in law and he didn't like to deal with checks quote. So we wouldn't have to go through an audit by the IRS. Why I mean why even lie. Like what is the point. Like if your justification

is just so transparent like I'm like no no we know that I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to do it legally is what I'm saying. I'm a judge. The reason why I killed the man is because he owed me money and I hate him. Is that not what's not clicking for you guys here. So two months after he paid off I stole the car because I really wanted it to be mine. I wanted to go somewhere. I was in I wanted to head to another place. Do you not. Why is everyone not blinking and looking at me like I'm crazy. So two months after he paid that mortgage off a union rep was ordered by his union president to and the union president is is a full on criminal. So the union president tells you

rep to take $10,000 in cash and two gold cuff links to David's office in the Supreme Court. Okay. And the union rep is told not to look call him James Bond. He's told not to look in this envelope and he's like this is weird. I'm gonna look in the open. He sees the cash and then he goes back to the union president and he's like I don't want to do this. This is like a crime. I don't want to do this. You didn't look in the envelope did you. The president responds to do it or quote you won't be around so long and neither will very few members of your family be around. All right. I'll go drop it off. Good to talk to you. That's awesome. That's crazy. So

do it or you and everyone you love will die. Oh, then I'm going to do it. Actually, that's actually good. That's that's the motivation I was looking for actually get a truck going to because you're running behind with all this morality. Yes. Yes. I guess. Yes. I guess. And don't walk. Yep. Going. So when he takes the bribe to David, this is where it gets crazy for me. David just this is where well, it's so the brazenness. So he he hands the envelope to David and David just unseals it and dumps out the cash on his desk. Oh, that's nice. And he's like, yeah, it's all there. All right. Yep. All the money's there. Good. This is literally in his office in the fucking Supreme Court. It sounds a little cavalier.

Sure. Two days later, the union here, let's let's let's make a video while we're around the money. Let's throw some of it in the air here. I'm going to get in my underpants, get a little snifter, a whiskey going and then I'm going to toss it up in the air like I'm sharing stone. Ready? You film this, film this. So two days later, the union's case goes before the Supreme Court where it got thrown out. Mm hmm. Okay. Wow. Wonder what you see strange. It's hard to know. I mean, I look, there's certain things that I'm like, maybe it influenced, but there's nothing that I'm like, Oh, that did it. So I mean, maybe when he dumped the money on the table, that's all there. I love that there were also gold

cuff links like on top of that. Yeah. Just like a weird like, you know, what else I really liked with those cuff links you wore to the Martinez's party. So throw those in. It'll help me make the proper judgment. So, um, now the John Deere Aris, a wakeman, she comes in and she comes in and testifies and she buries David. It's basically like I was told to, he came to the house, they asked for $1,000. Like it's just her, you know, she's a rich woman. So they're all like, Oh, I believe her. It just cares. Right. Completely bury some and they, and they immediately vote to impeach the chief counsel for the impeachment said, quote, we had more than enough evidence to show the man to be a thorough rascal. Yep.

A legal rascal is what he is. Now, after they vote to impeach David talks to the press and says that, uh, he is being treated. It's a witch hunt. He is being treated like a common criminal. Yeah. Sorry. You thought cause you wore a black robe. You're not. You're a superhero. But remember, he's still on the court making decisions. I mean, for how long? A case at this time allows suspended or just disbarred lawyers to work as paralegals. So he literally, he is him and Boyd are still on and they're both at a place where they could lose their jobs on the Supreme court. And then they are part of a decision that says, well, if you lose your job as a judge or lawyer, you can work as a paralegal and the, and the JQC is

like, no, this can't be a thing. And they're like, no, we're going to need this. No, they're judges still. So that's not how it works. So they're setting themselves up to help themselves down the road. Yes. Very. Now, it's good. Now, David has been a judge for a while and he only needs four more months to get his pension. Oh my God, Dave, you are 20th century folks. So he makes four months to pension. He comes to an, he goes to the governor and he comes to an agreement that he would resign if he would get his pension and the governor says, okay, man, that is such bullshit. And then he resigns. And in his resignation letter, he says his record was quote, not only defensible, but untarnished. Because I said so. He tells

the governor, quote, without hesitation or, or equivocation, I cannot conceive of any wrong or misdoing on my part in less, in less compassion for your fellow man. It somehow became offensive. If that fellow man is me, if I'm the fellow man that needs the compassion. That's the thing. I do think they convinced themselves that I, I think you have to be convincing yourself that, you know, you're, it's maybe not even that you're doing good, but it's a really hard system to navigate and you're finding the way to get the things that you need. You know, I think that there is like just an enormous level of Kool-Aid drinking that goes on with, you know, because you're surrounded by it. So I think you just

sort of, you know, it's business as usual. Yeah. And then I would also add to that, like this is why you don't tell the child that he's the special one. Yes. See what happens when you support your kids too much. Because he, he's like, I can't do any wrong. I'm the special one. I can't miss a mortgage payment. I'm the perfect kid. But in the end, the agreement with the governor doesn't mean anything and he loses his pension. So he's out. Oh, okay. That is pension. And he, he told Helen the impeachment thing was rigged from the beginning. It's a witch hunt. So now, according to Helen, the plan is now to move to Orlando, which no one should ever do ever. That's not a thing

you should get. Always a good start to a plan. It's like saying, so the plan is we're going to move to Orlando. Okay. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out, by the way. So I'm out on the plan, but I'd love to hear where it's headed. And there he would set up a law firm, then expand and open up law firms or branches in Miami and Fort Pierce. Sure. That's according to Helen, but David has other ideas because he had talked Joyce into leaving her husband and she had moved back to Fort Pierce in 1976. The plan is to divorce Helen when everything calms down and then he would remarry Joyce. Then they live happily ever after. Sure. But around this time, he ends up in a hospital.

I think he goes into get treatment and ends up on a hospital psychiatric ward. So he's in there for a while. He's in there for a little spell. And when he was out, the Miami Herald wrote, quote, McCain consoled himself with chivis regal. Sure. Yep. That's a prescription. In 1977, David was arrested for drunk driving and lost his license for 90 days. Okay. It's always amazing to me how long alcoholics can go without getting a DUI. It's really like it just shows you how functioning they can be, you know? Yeah, right. One night he confronted three loud teenage girls outside of his Miami apartment. I'm sure you handled this fine if we're hearing about it. One of their mothers, quote, I came out on the hall and he was standing

there in his skivvies, his boxer shorts and a t-shirt. He was holding a loaded gun at his side. Sure. So yeah. And I mean, you know, just hearing that makes you think this guy should still be a judge. Like he still has it. There's no doubt. So he's charged with aggravated assault and he gets a year probation and the court makes it. Let me guess. He's the one who gets to see the case. The court makes him go to rehab. So he sobers up. He's actually sober. He's sober for a year. What did I do? I'm a horrible judge. He is still working as a lawyer, but now the Florida bar, I mean, they've wanted him disbarred. That's been their goal. So in June of 1978, the Supreme Court disbarred him and David is super despondent

and he starts drinking again after that year of sobriety. Right. He clerks at some law firms and right and he can clerk as he set himself up with his own. He made a great decision for the state to end himself. He's like, I knew it. I knew it. Yeah. He clerked to some law firms. He's kicked around Miami. He tried to start a business as a consultant, but he failed. So he needs to make money. He needs money. Yeah. I remember that guy, the ex-guard who was in the pot. Yeah. Yeah. The guy would let the release prisoners. I can't connect those two, but David then became part of an attempt to smuggle 30 pounds of marijuana from Columbia to Florida. Oh my God. What a capper. What? So David's one of the investors

and they buy a shrimp boat named Lady Hamilton and they send it to Columbia, but it comes back with no pot. Well, that seems like an issue. So David grills the ship captain about where he'd gone in Columbia because the guy's like, it wasn't there. And whoever, it's either undercover agent or they had tapes, but they were the investigators are like, it's obvious that David knew Columbia very well. So the boat is sent back to Columbia and this time picks up the load apart and it sails up and is near the keys and where it's going to meet two lobster boats and then it's going to be offloaded onto the lobster boats and then taken onto Florida land. But as they're in the middle of doing it, a U.S. custom boat

rolls up. Let me see these lobster. It's weird. There's not a strong seafood smell coming from this big shrimp boat in this lobster vessel. One lobster crew is arrested. The other boats are able to get away. They then told, so they come back and they tell David both boats were captured. So one lobster boat was able to get away with pot on it, but they come back and they got them both. David loses his investment and he ends up being charged, but he's not done. In September 1982, he was charged again. He was again an investor in another shrimp boat, this time using the alias Joe Rico. The problem is that I used my name for the first time. Unfortunately, David McCain's

no longer with us. I mean, could you imagine going from being a judge in the Supreme Court to now using the alias Joe Rico to buy pot? Well, what's amazing is the second time around to be like, the only thing I did wrong was be me. I'm Joe Rico. No, it's very, it's very, I mean, look, it's obviously very validating for the fact that this person should not be a judge. Yeah. So again, the boat goes down to Columbia, this new boat that they got, it is believed it picked up about 10,000 pounds of pot, but soldiers capture the crew and the captain and threaten to kill them. And they called David and they ask for half a million ransom.

And David says, quote, I'm sorry, I can't help you. That's it. That's the, that's what he does. But then I'm not sure how this happens, but somehow the DEA gets the boat. And the sheriff of Cameron Parish says, quote, through informers, wiretaps and statements by co-conspirators, we got McCain on state, then later federal indictments. He had a key role in the operation. Later I heard from good sources that he had become a government informer. This guy, I mean, honestly, wherever the moth that just finds the lightest light, right? So so he was arraigned in January 1983 and he got bail on the day before his arraignment. He just, he takes three suits, some underwear and socks and he just bails. That's all he

takes. He didn't tell his lawyers. He didn't tell Joyce that he's going. He told the friend that he didn't think he'd last a minute in prison because he'd been a judge. So no one knows exactly what David McCain was doing. He told Joyce that he spent three years living alone in a motel room, something he was traveling in South America, others that he was using an alias in Miami that was set up by Cubans who he had helped over the years. But most people, and it seems like what really happened is that he had a deal with the FBI and was a narc. The bail bondsman who put up his bail that he walked out on, obviously the guy's out like 50 grand, so he searched for him and couldn't find him. And the bail bondsman

have millions of connections and he couldn't find anything. He was sure that David had become a government informant. A long time friend of David said he was actually working as a paralegal for a law firm using an alias in Columbia, South Carolina. The French said they would go to have lunch right near the federal building. So the building, the restaurant is full of feds and David was never slightly worried about it. He, his whole career is like lazy. So why would he be like careful now? Well, when his friend would say, aren't you worried about this? He would just wink and say, quote, don't worry about a thing. He was just walking around. Morning, Ted. How's the life? All right. Thank

you so much. I owe you a burrito. Anyway, yeah, so things are fine. So he was just walking around on the open and the friend was convinced he was also working for the feds. He's like, yeah, it's working for the feds. Right. Okay. So in 1986, David reached out to his kids the ones he had with Joyce and he told them he was sick. He had cancer. So his son comes up and helps him stay in hiding in Jacksonville. He's now using the alias Tom Mills and then Joyce and their daughters would come up and they would take care of them. They paid all the doctor bills and cash. He would go out fishing with his kids and grandson. But then word came the cancer spread too far. He always had an Alcoholics

Anonymous book with him at this time, but he kept smoking. He never stopped smoking. He died on November 11th, 1986. The day he died, a letter was delivered to the U.S. Attorney in Miami. David had written what it would take for him to surrender. He wanted to wipe the slate clean, turn himself in and then be released to die, but he died first. Honestly very fitting. Boyd remained on the court and became Chief Justice in 1984, the last year before mandatory retirement from the court. Interesting. So he was able to stay in the blood. And the thing about Boyd is Boyd wrote a lot of dissenting opinions against when there was

clear corruption going on. And that's why a lot of the other guys in the courtroom outed him. But he had also, I mean he was dirty too. He did take the opinion from the lobbyist because he was caught up in all the bullshit. But then he ripped it up. Then he ripped it up. I mean, it is that there's just such a low bar with these people that we've just talked about. That's the fact that one guy is like, I should flush this. It's like, we have a hero.

Well, also he's a pill freak. Like all of his crazy rants, like he's not fucking good either. But you know, Jesus Christ, what a just insane. So basically... It's like fear and loathing in the legal system. In the middle of all this, they got, they made it so people didn't elect. The voters were like, no, we shouldn't be electing these people. The governor. So the people of Florida said, take it away from us. We're not doing this well. So after that, the governor started picking Supreme Court justices. And then it slowly cleared up and it got more honest.

Oh, man. But still, let me look. Look, Kavanaugh is on the US Supreme Court and he had, I think it was a $63,000 debt wiped out right before, months before he was put on the court by We Don't Know Who. So it's no fucking different. It's no different. No, I mean, well, I think the thing is that, you know, when you think of like the Supreme Court, you know, it just obviously it has changed dramatically as far as like what, you know, what it takes. All right.

First of this are the Miami Herald, the Tampa Tribune, the Orlando Sentinel and the book A Most Disorderly Court, Scandal and Reform in the Florida Judiciary by Martin A. Deichmann. Really good book. He was a reporter that was there when it was all going on. We send cars.