The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 500 - Eugene Debs part 1 w/ guest Karen Kilgariff

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds are joined by Karen Kilgariff to examine American socialist Eugene DebsSourcesTour DatesRedbubble Merch

All right. You ready? No. You're listening to the dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is a bilingual American History podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American History. That's a balk. To my 500th episode friend. Wow, really? Great. Who has no idea what the 500th episode is going to be? Gareth Reynolds. And I don't know what the topic's going to be about. Good transition. Good to well done. Yeah. And we have a special guest. Karen Kilgariff. Yeah. Hi, boys. It's time. She came in here and she handed us a list of her credits, but I'm not going to read those. Clubs. Colleges. Yeah. All over her country. You know her from Clubs and Colleges. She tours all the time. Ladies and

gentlemen. Ready, Aaron? She called it, quote, is jam-packed. Jam-packed? I'm the fucking hippo guy. Is it for fun? And this is not going to come to particularly. I don't like it. I don't like it. Now hit him with the puppy. You both present sick arguments. No, sleep out, hippo. People pay money to see them. No, I see it done, my friends. Oh, it's so great. Oh, it's so perfect. That's good. So you're glad we did it. Yeah. November 5th, 1855. Right in it. Right in. No, no warm-ups. Year of our Lord, Jesus Christ. He's got to say his thing. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's become a feature now. Not a bug. Praying. The prayer part. Yeah, the Jesus. Weird. Well, we thank our Lord for what he's given us. See, it's taken a turn. A podcast. It's a

Godcast, as we call it. Straight up to the G.O.D. All the way up. Eugene Victor Debs. Oh, well. Yeah. Okay. Big daddy. Okay. Was born in, I don't know, I should have looked at, Terre Haute. Terre Haute. Terre Haute. Looks like hot. Sure. Indiana to Jean or Jean Daniel is French. Sure. Jean Daniel. Jean. Jean. Oh, yeah. Jean. They don't go. It's not Jean. It's not Jean. It's Jean. This is a machine who went by Daniel. Sometimes dandy. Jean went by dandy. Yes, sometimes. Okay. Sure. Probably because of the Jean Jean thing. Right. The French love a nickname that makes you sound like kind of an effeminate British man. Classic American to be like, and my name is Jean, whatever. We go call you dandy. Hey, dandy. Your name's dandy. Danny. That's me that thing. And his wife, Marguerite, who went by

Daisy. What's dandy and Daisy? Yep. Okay. Sure. The worst wedding of all time. Oh, fuck. You know, absolutely. It's not legally binding. That's not my name. Shut up, dandy. You married a daisy. Dandy, it's too late. You married me. Stop calling me that. No, it's too late. He was the third of six surviving children. Sure. 10. 10 were born, you know, for, as usual, about 5% is the common. The average. That's why you didn't name until they were like eight. Right. It's name day, boy. Whoa, I made it to name day. Guess what your name is, dandy. Oh, fuck me. I want to die. Four girls and two boys and Eugene went by Jean. Okay, dandy. John, dandy. When dandy and Daisy came to the US from France, they married and then were immediately disinherited by their European

relatives for marrying. Sure. So they didn't want them hooking up, but either side. Okay. Why? Just because Monague Capulet Deal? Yeah, it must be. Maybe one was from the north, most from the south. Oh, yeah. He was from an industrial family and she was more of a earthy type. That union would not be okay. Yeah. So they held a lifelong grudge against their relatives. Now, Tara Hawth was mostly Dutch and German immigrants. Okay. Sure. And the Debs were rare French immigrants in the town. It was a hog town. They killed like 50,000 hogs a year for people who you don't need to explain what a hog town is to us. Just mass harder, mass harder. It's a hog slaughter. Hog aside. Yeah, hog aside town. Dad worked low-paying jobs, but he had to quit

because it was health. And then I'm allergic to hog. What are the odds? We moved to a hog city. The skin makes me rash out. I've got hog cough. I've got pig lung. They used the last of their money to open a grocery store in the front room of their house. The dream store. I'm sorry. You shop a little, then you sit down in the lazy boy and take it easy and watch prices right for a while. Then wrap it down. Yeah, see what's on TV. Yeah. Gossip, Pepsi, show. Give paper towel. Sorry, we're trying to watch some TV. Prices right on the store opens after that. We're going to turn the rampage room into a fully functional grocery store. This is Daisy and Dandy's idea. I was very successful. And five years later, they built a grocery store on Main Street. Oh, wow. Okay.

That's a real Cinderella story. Out of a Victorian home. Somebody sent me like the guy who invented grocery stores and said I should do it. So maybe there weren't grocery stores yet. They were just like little. Right. Like that kind of thing. Like a guy would open a stand or whatever. So they brought it inside and that was what was like changing everything. Oh, I have a feeling it was so hard to steal though. I have a feeling it was you only sold like a few things. Right. Sell everything. And then some guy decided to sell everything. You have peppers and melons. And cereal. That's right. I do have to sit down on this couch. Well, that's not the I okay. That's not a customer couch. Well, everyone come on over. We live in this store now. I've heard of have you

heard of bars. Remember David Boland. He used to be the assistant manager at the improv in San Francisco. Yeah, he's from Scranton, Pennsylvania. And there was a bar there that was just in someone's front room. Like it was it was a house you just go in and sit down the front room. There's like somebody has a little bar there and they allowed to serve. Yep. Like a liquor license. Apparently. Wow. I ended up at one of those one night in South Central with the course J. Johnson. Well, Dave, quite a reveal. I mean, he's a car. We're still gonna drink. I'm like, what? Where are we? We're gonna go to living room. We're gonna go to. We'll call it a bar, but it's actually where they sell cocaine at all. That's right. Gonna go to a cocaine bar. Don't

worry. There's a guy with a captain's hand. It's all legal. So Jean was a good student, but thought school was boring. Same. That is. Yeah. Bingo. I mean, dead on. Yeah. He's incredibly likable. He's very easygoing. He lends everybody hand. He's just a nice, helpful, helpful guy. Same. I don't want to keep. I don't think we want to keep comparing ourselves to him, but yeah, like resonating strongly on this side. The Karen and Go story essentially what you're telling. Very similar. That and groceries in the front room. Yeah. It's so us. That's right. That's how Karen and I met. I wanted to get some spaghetti. And I was like, get out of here, you. He read constantly and was fascinated with revolutions. Okay. Just normal. Like, yeah,

there's the divide. Yep. He quit high school at 14 and got a job with a railroad. Sure. As you did. And then he went to business school at night for three years while working for the railroad. Wow. So that's a bit that's a because that mean they didn't work short days back then. Right. No, it was like a 12, 16 hour day. Tara Hott was a big railroad. But it's also really similar to like going on tour and doing shows. Yeah, yeah. All day long work. Yeah. Work, work, work. Yeah, the waiting. Yeah, work. So hard room service. I'm sorry. Tara's big railroad town. Now there were skilled railroad workers, engineers, firemen, conductors, carpenters, mechanics and painters. And they were the high, they were some of the highest paid people in America. Like, they made good

money. Jumps are very dangerous. So Jean got a, he worked as a locomotive paint scraper. Sure. For 50 cents a day. This is his crew. We have a picture of his crew. Is it TV on? Dave, so mad. That's not a TV, Dave. Over there. So he would, he removed, first he removed caked on grease from engines. That was his first job. He would scrape the... So he's the guy on the very far left. Lower. Is that Fleet Foxes? What? Is that the band Fleet Foxes? Yeah, he was in Fleet Foxes. Simple question. So he was... We're going to do Beards Up Top and Mustaches and Shave Bottom. Hey, Ho. That's a hey-ho band. So he, after doing the greasing for all, he's promoted to paint crew. And then a week before Christmas on 1871, a fireman came to work drunk, which seemed to happen a lot.

Did it go, it comes up a lot. A guy would just come in hammered. So they, so Jean filled in for him because he couldn't work. Randy's got the booze again. He's come down bad with booze. He's got a bad. He's got bad guys and booze again. And so he filled in for him. He became a regular fireman. So that's how you became a fireman. One guy showed up drunk. And then you get the job. But that's how you, that's how you moved up back. He's too flammable to fight him today, unfortunately. He'll just go right up. We could backburn this whole area with Randy. Okay, so they're not what we would call firemen. They're train firemen. So it's different. Wait, what? They're in charge of the fire on the train. They're in charge of the coal. Oh, okay. Engine. So context. They would basically

scoop, they would, they were like really important because they would scoop the right amount of coal in to make it go faster, slow. Like it was a whole science tool would slow you down. There was slow coal. Well, they were, you would just stop the recording. There was slow coal. Yeah, like there's clean coal. Oh, well, wouldn't you, wouldn't you think that the more coal would make the fire burn hotter and they would go faster? Yes, that's what I would think. Yes. In the opposite of what you said. Oh, right. That's what I'm saying. Exactly, Karen. We're on the same page again. Always, friend. So, you know, you had, it was actually a job that was not only dangerous, but you like had to know a lot. Sure. So he was good at, he was really big too. He was six feet

tall at 14. At age 14? Yeah. Oh. Which I've been seeing a lot of lately. What are you taught? What are you a doctor? Have you seen Baron Trump? I'm just going to looking for boys. Baron Trump is six, seven. Is he really? How old is he? He's like a, he might be 15. If he doesn't stop growing soon, we need to step in. Baron's seven, three now. He's 19. And he's walking all over New York, ripping the roofs off of buildings. He's going to be a great kid. Father. Baron. Enough, Baron. What did you do to me? Look at me in the eye, Father. Knock it off, Baron. We're done. So he worked six, 16 hour shifts a week while going to night school. Christ. So I don't know how that works, but he must have, it must have been two hours or something

at night to go to night school. You can't put in a long shift at night school. I mean, who knows? Working at 16 hour a day leaves five hours, two and a half on the either end. Right. Yeah. To be a person. Yeah. So he must have been putting a lot of coal in himself. That was totally common back then. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. And it really makes you feel spoiled now, huh? Latte. Someone just turned it off in an Amazon warehouse. Yeah. Fuck this podcast. Really? Yeah, right, right. In 1873, the depression hit and Gene lost his job. And then he moved to St. Louis to try to get a start there, but he just saw horrific poverty. Yeah. Quote, it makes a person's heart ache to see men, women, and children begging for something

to eat. Come to Los Angeles, buddy. Good. For real. Yeah. That's how most Americans feel. Yeah. Oh, not Caitlyn Jenner. Not Caitlyn Jenner. Can we put them out in the desert where they'll die in the sun? Good, Caitlyn. You'd went down a point in the race somehow. We're not sure. Is it true? I heard that Angeline, the great Angeline, who's basically a billboard star lady in Los Angeles beat Caitlyn Jenner in the recall. Love it. Beautiful. Better campaign, though, because she had that one billboard under license plate. Yeah. That's grassroots. Grassroots, yeah. She went around to the people. How many votes are you going to get if you're a super right-wing trans person trying to get

Republicans a vote for you? Doesn't make a ton of sense. I hear that, and I love it. Well, there's a lot of contradiction, which is exciting. But also, when you start talking about your airplane hangar. Yeah, you lose a lot. That phrase. There was no PR person who would just be like, no, we have to strike this sentence. Stop talking. You are killing it with private jet owners. You're leading among all calendars about private jet owners. Candlelets. Oh, wow. One flub. Yeah. So he couldn't find a regular job in St. Louis, and he went back to Tarahaut after a month. Now, Daisy begged him to find a safe job. She's like, I don't want you working on the railroad. Just find a safe job.

Sure. So he got a job as an accounting clerk for a large grocer, right? Sure. He had experience in the store. Yeah, sure. Do you want to count bean cans or whatever? Sure. He hated it, so he would spend all his free time at the rail yard or saloons hanging out with railmen, his bros. Okay. So he was a grocer, but then he would hang out after their shift. Talk shop. Yeah. Yeah. He was an alcoholic. It's like, Karen? Okay. I'm sorry. Did I bust it? No, but yeah, I mean, that'll, that'll, I think. Dave, are you okay? No, no, I think he was. I can't say for sure. So there was a,

like dudes, to hang out with other dudes, you drank back then. Like it was just a thing. So yeah, he was, it's just a lifestyle and he was very into it. Okay. Got it. All right, there we go. He helped found a debating society and during his first speech, he forgot his lines and ran out in the middle and walked home and shamed. Out. That, I relate to that from stand up though, right? Like that. I remember the first time I did stand up, I'd written everything word for word and completely forgot all of it. Yeah. And was still on stage for like eight minutes somehow. So I'm not sure what was happening. It goes by that. When you're starting out, it goes by really fast. And then you're like,

Oh, that wasn't eight minutes. That was two. Yeah. I have more time. Yeah. And no material. The first time I did stand up, I went hysterically blind for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah, I went. Hysterically blind should be an album. I was in the bathroom and that I could hear them starting the show. And it was a tiny club in Sacramento. It was truly probably held 50 people at the most. It was like a little downstairs club. And I heard the show starting and then my vision just went like the tunnel came. And right then my roommate Malayva was walking into the bathroom and I was like, I'm going blind. And I reached out and tried to grab her arm and she was, don't touch me and just kept going.

That is so you too. And then I just had to get over it and do my set. Yeah. How did it go? Oh, medium. I mean, my sister and my cousins were there. So I kind of packed the house and did fine. And then someone led you up to the stage. Yeah. Yeah. The bold, the blindness went away when I realized no one was going to help me, my friends. So she knew that she was like, I'll help you in the long term. She was just kind of like, don't crap me. I don't want to catch blind. Wait for me. It was tough. The nineties were tough. Yeah. So the society, the debating society wouldn't host Susan B Anthony because they didn't agree that women women should vote. So Gene brought her in and put her up himself. And as he took her to the hotel, people jeered at her

on the street. Wow. Eugene was a sexy feminist back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. And he partied. And he partied. His friends got really pissed at him for doing that. And not many people come to see or speak, but you know, good guy. Right. In February, 1875, he went to an organizational meeting for the brotherhood of locomotive firemen. Right. Right. The BLF had 31 lodges and 600 members across the U.S. And 19 year old Gene joined immediately. Okay. Oh, he's only 19. Yeah. And they're the locomotive firemen brotherhood. Brotherhood of locomotive firemen. Right. BLF. And there's motto is all the live long day. Yeah. That's right. And he was soon elected to become recording secretary of the Vigo Lodge. And he devoted. He devoted all his spare time to making

it grow. That's picture two. I don't know what it is, but. That's just the All Things Comedy logo. So it's a benevolent association. Basically, all they do is they look for insurance and death benefits for members. So it's like, it's not a union. It's this thing where they just try to help you out. Right. Sure. That's like when there's a website where you can go and see if your name is listed if the state owes you money. And at a wedding, my cousin John goes, hey, your name's on there. You should go get it. You're like, yeah. It's very similar to that relationship. Yeah, basically. It sounds like. Was any part of you like, why did you look at my name? Because all the Kill Garrets were listed. Oh, so he's like, oh, shit. That's amazing. And I

was on there, he wasn't, but I had all these like, you know, residuals for a $1.82 that the state asked for. Your WV Mason commercial residuals came back in. So Redwards didn't, if you got injured, you're just fucked. That's how it worked. So they like helped out with that. So it's a social fraternal organization. And then each skilled trade on the train had its own brotherhood. Okay. So they're all separate. Can I make another guess, even though it might ruin it, like the alcoholism thing did? Is this the precursor to union? Oh, you can cut that out if you want. I just had to guess. The unskilled and non-whites were excluded from the brotherhoods. Sure. Right. Right. Well, brotherhood, you know, brother, when we say brotherhood, what we really

mean is white guy club. So is that just leading when we say brotherhood? It feels like people are misunderstanding. We just, we don't like the way that other one sounds. It just sounds kind of wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Racist club. Yeah. We're testing that and it's not doing great. Yeah. Keep it vague. White guy's best. Okay. Shut the door. So the brotherhood, they worked with the owners. They weren't against the owners. And then the owners would give them preference in hiring BLF members. So it was like, you know, sure, once you get into the brotherhood, you're kind of sad a little bit. Now, Gene thought the interests of workers and employers was so aligned that the BLF would never go against the owners. He's like, those are our boys. We're there. We're, we're all working

in together. And he keeps getting elected to different positions. Okay. People really like them in the BLF. He's like a well thought of dude. So in 1877, the Pennsylvania and Baltimore and Ohio road's announced wage cuts and workers went on strike. Okay. The Pinkerton's came. There we go. Are those guys? Good group. Have you guys done an episode on the Pinkerton's? We did one, but I might do more. I didn't get into evil enough. They're bad, right? They were bad. They're fantastic. I don't know what episode you were recording. You're thinking of Deadwood. Deadwood. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. What's the, you're thinking of that panther. Yes, that's the one. It's not the same. Right. Silent. Brie Olson announced the movie that she's

she's doing a movie of the first lady Pinkerton and everyone was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. I'm going to be the first evil one. Yeah. No, slowly. Yeah. That's our right. I don't read. So, uh, we contain multitudes. Yeah. Brie Larson. Oh, I don't know. Dave. Yes. I know I did a movie with her. You know, porn stars buy their first and last name? That's because I did a movie with her. Dave, that doesn't make it any better. Dave. No, no, no. It's not what you think. I do porn. I'm in porn film. I know her from work. It's not a big deal. I killed her in a movie. Jesus. Yeah. She was naked. All right, Aaron. Cut whatever. Sex. Cut it. Right. On film. You did that, too? It was very artistic. That's great. Dave,

that's a snow film. That's awesome, Dave. Oh, shit. It was a snow film. Good for you, Dave. Yeah. I got a good check. Who's the Pinkerton now? Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. So, at this strike, the Pinkerton's came and then the Federal Troops came and then a hundred workers were killed, as we do in America. Right. Afterwards, the owners created a blacklist for the troublemakers, and blacklist meant you couldn't get hired by any large corporations, not just robots. Eugene's gut about this situation working really well was right on. Got faith in this system. And so there were unions, and after that, unions disintegrated. Like a lot of them,

the railroad unions, they've just been, you know, you got a hundred guys killed and then you're blacklisted like it's a failure. Yeah. Gene really didn't believe BLF should encourage strikes. So his takeaway from that was that we shouldn't strike. Interesting. Well, it's supposed to be the takeaway. Yeah, that's what they want. Right. Exactly, Eugene. You fell for it. That's right. That's exactly right. You're a good guy, Eugene. Yeah, that's exactly right. You get it. Don't fight us. Exactly. Smart. Write that down, actually. Maybe that's the new club, the non-fightest club. Obviously, whites only. I don't want to. Yes, that's a good one. That's a good one. Thank you. So he believes in compromise. And after the strike, there was a big purge

of pro-strike BLF leaders. So they get all the guys who were like, yeah, we should encourage a strike. They're gone. Right. And in 1879, the BLF adopted a policy of, quote, ignoring strikes. Okay. If there's a strike, they're like, we're not involved. That's good. Yeah. It's called the lose leverage policy. It's called the let a handful of guys intimidate you, thousands of guys out of doing what is right. How can we get fucked the most? Weakness in numbers. So. Revolutionary. George then won an election to become the new terror hot city clerk. And then he finally left his accounting job. So he'd been in the accounting job for all this time. Okay. Wait, who did? Gene. Okay. He was doing accounting. He was a fireman on the railroad. He also was a part-time

grocer. He stopped being a fireman. He originally was a fireman for like four years. Oh, that got me straight. And then he switched over to the grocery accounting guy, I think. And he was hanging out. But he was also working for the BLF. Right. As well. And now the city clerk. Yes. So he's got a lot of. Is that him? There he is. Oh, right. Wait a second. All right. Do you like that? I mean, I don't know. My glasses on. Neither does he. I don't know what that means. I'm sorry. I don't know what that means. He kind of looks like a British actor. Yeah, he does. Yeah. He looks like a Cumberbatch. He's Cumberbatch-ish. He's Batchy. Yeah. Bit Batchish, isn't he? Bit Batchy. So Gene won an election to become, oh, I already did that. So he becomes the assistant

editor of the BLF's national magazine, Locomotive Fireman's Magazine. That is a great publication, by the way. Centerfold. Oh, the ladder. I love that centerfold, but it's the ladder. Oh, it folds out to like 25 feet. Jesus Christ. How long is this ladder? Oh, my God. It's a five-page ladder. This magazine's just a ladder. In 1880, the editor and secretary-treasurer of the BLF was booted for being drunk all the time. Sure. It seems to be the downfall to a lot of people. There's a lot of guys had this issue. This was back when people didn't drink water. They drank like beer all the time and stuff, right? It was just kind of. Well, water can make you sick, so they put booze in the water. That water will dehydrate you. You need some beer. That's right.

That'll get you, that'll get your mouth salivating again. That's your problem. You're underbeared. That's your issue. You're underailed. That's what your problem is. So Gene took over his position and he greatly increased the number of members. He traveled all over the place organizing. He would like hop freight cars. He'd be on the road until he was exhausted and then he'd come home and rest. This is a pattern he would get into, is he'd go out, wear himself out, and then come home just like be in bed for two weeks. Right. So wearing him out after 16-hour days was what? A 21-hour day? I can't imagine. Jesus. I also, wearing out, I remember a lot of that is, like you said, it's happening in saloons and so. Oh yeah. I've been working so hard today. I'm tired.

I work and I have my ass off again. Shoot. I leave the pie for work. I leave this pie drunk for work. Yeah, it's a pizza pie. I give and I give to these people. Were you saying pie? Yeah, I said pie, go eat a pie. You've got to work. I was so busy working on them. I'm tired from my job. So Gene was handsome. He was charming. He was a BLF leader. And then this is pick three. He fell for Kate Metzel and gave her a romantic gift, a bound volume of locomotive fireman's magazine. Oh, Eugene, you shouldn't have. Oh, I did. I bound this magazine. It's unreal. And I gave it to you. Oh, I don't know what to do with it, honestly. I don't care about trains or fire. We are going to sex now, right? Yeah. Well, let's talk about the way I want to operate instead of your thoughts

for a minute. I gave you a magazine, bound it. It's great. And wow, look at all this coal. So much coal. Oh, we're supposed to do it in a bed of coal. Awesome. That's not hot, Eugene. That's my thing. I'd have sex with you once your living room doesn't sell paper towel and watermelons. Is that fair? Do you like a watermelon? I would, but super weird what's happened. It's $2.99. Here's a book on cording. Read that and come back. Oh, bind it. No, no, no. Listen, read the book. No, bind it. Read the book. Okay, it doesn't mean very much as it's not bound, though. Read it. Like my locomotive fireman's magazine. It's unreal, honestly. The ladder part is really long. Open it up. Uh-huh. Look at the ladder. Really? Look at the ladder. Mostly a ladder. That is big.

The name's misleading. It makes you think it's going to be about things that aren't ladders a lot. Yeah. But it's really ladder heavy. It is. Yeah. So in 1884, he was elected to the state assembly, but he got super bored and frustrated with it because he couldn't get anything past that he wanted. Okay. Yeah, that's weird. Gene and Gene and Kate married in 1885. Now, Kate got an inheritance and they bought a nice house and she lavishly decorated it and she would wear diamonds and furs, which didn't really go along with his working man vibe. Hey, listen, you want to tone it down a ton? No, I don't want to tone it down. It's just that my whole thing is I'm trying to go in the other direction, so the fur. I'm

toning up. The fur and the diamonds. Maybe a few less diamonds? Yes, but then I'll have to do extra fur. Well, I guess I'm sort of, that really eliminates the point that I'm kind of going for. Okay, me too, the carriage. Another great scene by Karen and Garrett. Well done. The Kilgara. That one's going to win an Emmy. Oh, imagine. In 1885, the BLF membership became more radical. They wanted the no strike policy gone. So after the thing of like getting right now, they're like, holy shit, we're being treated like garbage. Right. This sucks. Yeah. So the membership booted the anti-strike grandmaster that was the... Well, we're on strike. Well, look, that's not... We strike. They got rid of all officers except for Gene. Gene's the only guy

they really, really like. Okay. Again, though, putting all your eggs in the one basket. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But still. Well, he tried to resign, but they refused to let him. They're like, no, you're staying. That's not how this works, really. It's been denied, Eugene, unfortunately. So, welcome back. But the no strike policy was gone. Gene spoke at a local paper described him, quote, he is a young man with a smooth face about six feet tall. How do you know that? Gene, may I very quickly... Very nice. Very moisturized. It's okay, boys. He's a reporter. All right. I've got the headline that'll do, smooth face man pissed. Butterhead not happy. He's about six feet tall. And as he stood before the crowd theater and uttered his words in a

strong manly voice, the audience remained in silent admiration of the eloquent exponent of honest toil. So he's bombed. So he's a good speaker. He bombed and... He didn't bomb. I was just thinking if he's six feet tall, but it's like the turn of the century. Oh, he's huge. Yeah. He's Godzilla. Yeah, yeah. He's Baron Trump. They're all just like, okay. The big man cometh. We will not take no. Big smooth man, say words. Follow the big smooth man. I'm going to climb a ladder to touch his face. I'm a journalist. Now Gene said the BLF brotherhood was not engaged in any quarrel between capital and labor. He's still like, look, we're still going to work with these guys. He's a compassionate capitalist.

Yeah. That night, the dinner was served. That night, the dinner that was served did not include any alcohol because the motto of the BLF was benevolence, sobriety, and industry. So a lot of people are like, what's that? So that's our line. Industry and beer. Yeah, we're just... Beer's not. You say beer, nevelence? Because I haven't heard of it, but is that like a sampler? Something like that. I love that. Oh, a flight of beer, nevelence would be great right now. We'll do a round of beer nevelences, and that's great. And we're very excited for those. But, you know, everybody knew he drank. He's promoting sobriety in the BLF while he's drinking.

Sure. Been there. And his friends, according to author Ginger Ray, his friends said, quote, Deb's friends had long noticed that liquor made him more eloquent, more sensitive, and more gentle. So when he drinks, he's like that nice, happy drunk guy. Is that a very nice thing? Yeah, I mean, honestly, some call it alcoholism. We call it the real gene, and you gotta meet him. That's such a drug person's idea of them being better because they're drunk, where it's like, yeah, on the inside, you're better. But out here, it sucks for us.

Have you considered that he's cranky when he doesn't have alcohol in him? Yeah. Yeah, that's usually... No, we think... That's not what we think. Not our smooth-faced butter boy, no way. He gets buttery when he drinks, so to us, that's why. It all works. It's great.

Right. Gene wanted to combine the fireman and engineer brotherhood, so he's like, why don't we start merging guys, but the engineers weren't interested. They were like the fire road snobs, like they were like, we're the top head, shit, we're not going to hang out with the other losers. Right. So this is really upset Deb, and he started criticizing the exclusivity of the brotherhoods, and he's like, we're hurting ourselves by not combining. Right.

In late 1885, Gene wrote, quote, legitimate warfare in the future is to be in the interest of the weak, the oppressed, those who aspire to be free. Dynamite is to be a potent weapon in the contest. So have we shifted a little? It feels like maybe we've gone to third gear. Yeah. Well, I think he's seeing all the problems. He's name-dropping dynamite, though.

Yeah, but remember, this is when Lucy Parsons and those guys, there's a lot of anarchists talking about dynamite in the country. It's a big theme. No, it's in, for sure. This is when they founded the ACME corporation, which used to send the coyotes that dynamite all the time. Yeah. No, I get this.

Which happened when one of them had this idea and their eyeballs turned into dollar signs. That's right. So I think he's just not seeing the association of, he's not seeing what Karl Marx saw. He's not seeing the association of capital and how it harms all that. He's just seeing like, well, people aren't being treated well. Right. Let's blow things up. Well, he's also got the memory, read a lot of revolution books as a kid.

So he's got, it's not together yet. The pieces of the puzzle aren't there yet. We're in his mind palace right now. There's dynamite. There's disenfranchisement. Yeah. Yeah, right. There's lettuce in the front room.

There's ale. It feels like a dream, but it really happened. Your couch, which has just made a corn. Why'd you take a nap on the corncatch, Jane? It's good for your lumbar. Really good for your lower back. You got niblet's fine and it's a good thing. Pour some butter on it, put your face on it, butter it up with your butter head.

So smooth. So the BLF did start striking in 1888. The owners brought in the Pinkertons. There we go. And this is Jean on the Pinkertons quote, they are distorted, deformed, hideous mentally and morally, their trade is treason, their breath pollution, and yet the officials of the CB and Q formed a conspiracy with these professional liars, perjurs, cutthroats, and murderers to overcome a strike the result of a policy of flagrant injustice.

Well. So when Jean comes, Jean comes hard. Yeah, that is. And he's coming for brills in the porn star. Yeah. It sounds like. Yeah, I mean. No pun intended, but pun definitely appreciated by myself.

The person who made the pun. Yeah, all around. Ring the bell. Yeah, Aaron, ring it. Ring it loud, baby. So the strike fund got so low that Jean borrowed 25,000 himself for the workers. Okay. The railroads threatened to get an injunction.

The head of the engineer's brotherhood. An injunction is where there's a railroad crossing. Yes. That's right. It's an injunction. How do you spell it without any r's? Oh my. Don't make me do this.

I'm just saying. There's two r's for sure. You've been injuncted. The head of the engineer's brotherhood freaked out and said he wasn't going to jail and he ordered all the engineers back to work and the strike was defeated. Fucking nerds. Yeah, really. And now Jean is like, well, we really need a federation of unions.

We can't not work together. Right. This is what happens in Hollywood every time there's a strike. Yes. Fucking directors. For real. He spoke and wrote about bringing together all the brotherhoods and created a new organization, the Supreme Council of the United Order of Railway Employees.

Good. Catchy. Too long. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC.

SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC.

SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC. SC.

It's a French. We, too. And they quickly won fights without striking. Okay. More brotherhoods joined up. Okay. Did they wear scorts? They wear scorts.

I'm just asking you. Yeah, they're all in scorts. Which are like. And shorts. Overall shorts, basically. They're scorts. It's a skirt with the short properties so you can kick your leg up

into the face of a Pinkerton. All right, boys, put your scorts on. We mean business. We'll show them who's boss. Scort it up. Your scorts a little high, Rudolph. So you're revealing a lot. So more brothers joined.

The engineers hold out. He's over the engineers at this point. Me too. I agree. The Fall River Globe reported the engineer brotherhood's chief motto was, quote, mind your own business. Well, who would have thought they're resistance?

Who would have thought they would have been resistance? That's fucking my motto. I thought they were my enemies, but they're my friends. Yeah. God damn. Mind your own business. Just mind your own business? That's up on like a plaque and shit?

That was your weekend, Andy. Bit, bit, bit. Dark, dark, dark. My bad. He just said it so much. Whenever they were like, can the engineer brotherhood do this? Mind your own business, like he was just not. I do love that phrase, mind your own business.

It's so funny. It's not business. I mean, here it is. But people say it normally. Mind your own business. Jean's Fireman's Magazine wrote, it thought little of the chief, who quote hob knobs and drinks with Depew

and other presidents while laborers fought them for justice. So they're now going after the engineers. Now, like I said, black brothers couldn't join, black workers couldn't join the brotherhoods. So railroads use them as scaps, which yeah, that's exactly what would happen. Yes. The great film, Mate Wan, is all about that exact thing

and it's unbelievably amazing. And an anti-Catholic group was splitting lodges based on religion. So he's trying to get over together and the anti-Catholics. It's the fucking Protestants out fucking everything up again. Yes. All right, not the fucking Irish Catholics.

Get him out of here. Guys, we got to join together, not you. He said straight to numbers. Fuck you, you Popehead. What? But we are aligned with the same one. The hell you are. We're basically, the differences are margable.

You fucking Satanist. Fucking Irish, it's just unreal. So obviously there's a lot of in-fighting. And then one day, a yardmaster fired a switchman for insubordination. Wow, who hasn't been there? I mean. And profanity, so he's not listening to orders

and he's telling the story. The yard man was like, fuck you. And then the switchman filed, the brotherhood filed the grievance. And then they looked at it, the Supreme Council looked at it and the yardmaster was fired instead and then they gave the switchman his job.

Ooh. Okay. And he was like, fuck yeah, I get a swear whenever I want. I'm not taking his job, fuck you guys. Quick note. And then all the brotherhoods took sides. Some wanted to dissolve the Supreme Council

and then a railroad fired all the switchmen and replaced them with train men. And it turned out that train men had conspired with a railroad executive. And the switchmen tried to then get the train men kicked out of the Federation and it worked, they were all expelled by one vote. So the brotherhood of train men were kicked out

and then the telegraphers and conductors pulled out of the Supreme Council. Basically the Supreme Council was over. Wow. Cause one guy got fired. Wow. It was like the reverse of one of those champagne pyramids that you see at fancy weddings.

It was like that, but if it went the other direction. Yeah, as I doubt. Yeah. So Jean now thinks about leaving the BLF after 15 years. No brotherhoods came to help striking switchmen in Buffalo when troops came to crush them. Okay. They're just like, oh, okay.

It is cold there though. Yeah, there's food want to go there. There's not much to do either. So that strike was crushed, Jean's livid and he goes to the 1893 brotherhood convention and he resigns. And the delegates are like, no, we're not going to let you resign.

Again? Again. He's like, maybe I'm thinking of a different word. Mike, is resignation not a word? Did I invent it? Maybe he needs to take a brick and rub it on his buttery skin and not look so great. Yeah, right, yeah.

He just won't be wanted as much. A little gravelly. Yeah. Everybody just fucking loves him. He's a leader, he's an organizer. He always helped people. Like I said, he took, he would take the worst seat on train. He would take the smallest portion of food

if there wasn't enough. Once he hit a fireman wasn't getting promoted because he didn't have a good watch. So Jean gave him his own watch. So everyone just fucking loves this guy. Like he's just like, he's the shirt off the back guy. I'm really hungry too. Workers devoted to him.

So they beg him to stay and offer him a leave of absence, money, and a European vacation. But he passed. Now it's like he's on the stick around. We actually have quite an offer for you. He's like, if you throw a ladder in there, maybe I'll consider it. Two weeks paid round trip to Cancun for you and a guest,

as well as accommodations taken care of. We're also gonna give you a higher position and on your hiatus, you will learn ballroom dancing. That's right, you're gonna learn from some of the best ballroom dancers. Pick up a skill, take a vacation, come on back. And then when you're ready, Jean, you can be in charge again. This is all yours if you just agree

that resignation is never an option. So he passed on it all and then they keep at it. And he says he'll stay on as magazine editor, but he's not gonna work as an officer anymore. So it's really, it's almost like daddy's going, you guys really disappointed me. Yeah, yeah. And the railroads are now.

He's like, but fine, I'll do the magazine. Yeah, right. Yeah. And he, and they, and I didn't keep this in here, but they were like, he was like, I'll take 1,000. And they're like, we're gonna pay you 3,000. Like it was this crazy, like he was like, no, guys, I'm good.

And they're like, we're paying you more than you want. 4,500, keep trying, asshole. We're not gonna play this game, but a face. The railroads are now, they've been consolidated. There's just 20 corporations that own them all. Uniting workers is the only way to fight for wages and safety measures. So Gene now wants to create the American Railway,

Railway Union for all 750,000 railroad workers. So the brotherhoods only represent 150,000. The rest are just unskilled people that aren't represented. And people of color, right? And, and Irish Catholics and Chinese, lots of Chinese, lots of black people. All that stuff. Stuff, people.

Erin, mark that please. I won't be involved in that exchange. So Karen was a guest on every moment of this episode, except for 20 seconds, you can just earmark that for us. She just left and stood outside. So a dollar to join, a dollar year in dues, which is way less than the brotherhoods. And then he starts attacking the brotherhoods.

He blamed failed strikes on the BLF. And remember, he's still writing for the magazine, but he's attacking them, just not in the magazine. The speeches. Right. The ARU was formed on June 21st, 1893, and Gene was elected president. And then Gene and the ARU directors

go around the country recruiting. And they're adding about 200 to 400 people every day. Wow. In 1893, another depression hits, because in capitalism there's a depression or recession every 20 years. It took all the vacation, but keep it up. Please don't lecture me.

You get it. I'll buy what I want to buy at Bed Bath and Beyond. Thank you. I quit attacking her for going to Bed Bath and Beyond you monster. Stick in it. Just bring a coupon. Factories closed, railroads went bankrupt.

So people are like, oh, here we go. In March, 1894, the ARU took on Union Pacific and won. Because you know, the depression's on there, like we got to cut your wages, so they take them on, they win. Yeah. Next, the great Northern Railroad cut wages. And it was owned by James Hill, known as Big Jim.

Big Jim had once walked across Minnesota on snowshoes. But it was summer, so it wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah. Didn't take that long either. Pretty easy, actually. Why did snow next time, Big Jim? What do you think I'm crazy? I'll die.

You can tell he's the guy that's always just in a conversation. I walked across Minnesota on snowshoes. Yeah, we know Big Jim. He was also four foot 11. That'd be amazing. Just a tiny man. Ah.

So Gene sent up an organizer, and Big Jim fired all Union members. And a strike was called. This time, the engineers backed the unskilled workers. OK. And they won. Hey. So there seems to be some sort of lessons.

There is a thing. And I can't figure it out just yet. It is their new motto, mind their business. That's right. Mind their business. Mind your business. Gene quote, we have demonstrated that it is possible to conduct a strike of such magnitude

without violence. Yeah. Unskilled workers, ignored by the brotherhood, started signing up in massive numbers, now 2,000 a day. The Union had 150,000 in the summer of 1894. And Gene is now the most powerful labor leader in the country. And then came the Pullman Boycott, or Pullman Strike.

Or the pullout. The pullout. Yeah. Gene did not. By the way, you said it in agreement, and then realized that it was a bad thing to say. Yeah, but that's on you, stupid. Yeah, no, I did a bad thing.

Also, you were in a porn. Yeah, you do porn. So stop acting like you're a boat. He's like, pull out. Yeah, disgusting. Only for an extra 50 bucks. Talk to my pastor. Yeah.

Gene does not like George Pullman, the owner. Years before Gene had called him the same as, quote, codfish, coal oil, and bucket-shop snobs. Sorry. Bucket-shop snobs is, but I love that. Bucket-shop snob? Bucket-shop snob. Someone who turns their nose up at a bucket shop?

Yeah, because back then bucket shops were highly elite. Mm-hmm. They had bucket bath and beyond. Was it? Bucket bath and beyond was big. Huge. Right there in the front room of most houses and most towns.

Jimmy, I remember when you wouldn't set foot in a bucket shop. What the hell happened to you? I realized we need buckets. It's a foolish policy. Why don't you wear diamonds all over your face? They're on my buckets. I don't have to.

The accents are all over the place in this play. It's a melting pot. Yeah, I like that. It reflects the truth. It's a melting bucket, I call it. That's actually my bucket shop, the melting bucket. Oh, we take paper from anywhere. We love them.

This is a melting bucket. And in the backs of the kitchen, I'm where my family lives. Dave, sorry, will you say the insult again, please? Yes. He called George Pullman the same as, quote, codfish, coal oil, and bucket shop snobs. OK.

Thanks. Just going to put that one in the file to slam on someone that pisses me off online. Fuck off, codfish. Codfish, you're coal oil, you know better than a bucket shop snob. Tears, endless tears. But George Pullman is beyond wealthy, right?

He's one of those guys. Like, if you want, yeah, if you held a strike against Amazon, he could hold out forever, right? Yes. Well, also, this is making me really rethink the game of Monopoly, because the whole railroad thing isn't some cute aspect of it that's just interesting to buy up. They were like, I own you.

Yes, they were. Cool, I'm winning. Yeah. Well, Monopoly was originally created by a socialist woman as being against capitalism. All of that bullshit. And then it was bought and turned into a capitalist game. It's actually the perfect lesson of capitalism.

Yeah, it is. This game's to teach equality. Wow, we'll buy that and make it about the opposite. Damn, fuck you. And now it's boring. So children have to play it for four hours, and they hate it the whole time. Enjoy capitalism.

So Jean doesn't think the union should take on Pullman, but the workers vote to boycott. So boycott means there's Pullman cars on trains. They're just going to not let the Pullman cars through, but everything else can go through. So they would take it off the train and set it aside. That feels like more than a boycott. Yeah, I mean, it's a weird.

It's a removing. Yeah, it's an interesting thing, right? So Jean goes up there to give support and guidance, and Chicago papers started calling Jean dictator debbs. Here we go. Finally, the media is involved. Pick five. So this reporter who called him that

was not affected by his beautiful complexion at all. No, it wasn't thrown. Oh, my lord. That's the cover of Harper's. So they're kind of going with the angle, which they still do, of like he's manipulating these people for his own ego. Yeah, yeah, which is what they still, yeah, that's exactly what they do now.

Like this person is manipulating all these poor workers. Or someone who is maybe fighting for people who have way less than they'll be like, well, they have like two big houses. And you'll be like, well, this person has made money. Yes, you're right. But wants to give. And we should embrace that, to some extent, right? Yeah, so in this picture he has, it's a cartoon.

He has like a crown. He's sitting on a bridge. It looks like he's pooping in a city he made. He's shitting in a city. He's over the rail yard, whatever. It's just, you know, that's all it was. So the air you held at convention, and Jean spoke, and said, women were welcome and should get equal pay.

Which is fucking bananas. Fucking bananas for this time. Okay. Mind your business. Mind your business. Mind your business. Jean. Mind your business. Jean's lost his goddamn mind.

Mind your business, Jean. Mind your business, Jean. He needs one of his two week naps. Get the dynamite, boys. This goes no further. Dynamite dibs. And then the ARU debated letting black members into the union.

Jean wants them in. It's both right, but it would also give them leverage against Pullman, who employed many, many black workers. Jean, quote, I am not here to advocate association with the Negro, but I am ready to stand by, side by side with him, to take his hand in mine and help him whenever it is in my power.

Right, and they were like, what a terrible view you have. So I think he's playing. I mean, I could be wrong. He was not as much about racism as equality. He was like, if we get equality, then racism goes away. But I think he's playing the political thing here, where he's like talking to the people and at the same time.

So you don't love people who aren't white. He's like, sure, right, sure. That's true. Well, and also that whole thing that was always mixed into it of like it's interacting with, associating with that whole kind of weird social thing, which is just gross and fucked up when it said that plainly.

Totally. So the delegates vote 112 to 110 for a white only union. Wow. Two guys. The workers wanted to begin a boycott against Pullman. Jean didn't, even though he called Pullman, quote, greedy as a horse leech, who had a soul so small that a million of them could dance on the little end

of a hornet stinger. Wow. So he doesn't like him. No. He's still drunk, it sounds like. Yeah, that's right. He's still deep in the booze. So he thinks the union should wait,

but they're just too pissed and being treated too poorly by Pullman, and they vote to boycott Pullman cars. So they're not going to move his sleeper cars on the tracks. Rich group of row. Which is bad for the people who got those tickets, obviously. They're like, sorry. We live here now? What's the plan exactly?

We're ready to go to our Chattanooga. It's a sleep. Was our final destination was Chattanooga. It's a sleeper car, so just go ahead and sleep in it. We slept last night. We're ready to go to our destination. Keep sleeping. My wife's quite ill, please.

We're headed to Chattanooga. How about a nap? We've slept quite enough. We are ready for some food of some sort, and my wife is ill. Have you put down the shades? Yes, we've done everything. And when we opened the shade this morning, we were quite upset to realize we again have not moved.

We are no closer to Chattanooga. We are going to Chattanooga. Can I recommend a sleep? Stop suggesting that we just stay in this car and sleep. It's a sleeper car. Oh, god. You're getting extra sleep. Originally, this route was supposed to be.

We are out of food in here. It was supposed to be two days. There's no toilet. It's now at six days. Where are we supposed to go to the toilet? You're getting extra sleep. We would like to go to Chattanooga. That is where we're headed.

So we're going to charge you more because of the extra sleeping. I charge us whatever to get us chattanooga. We have to go to the toilet. My wife is sick from not going to the toilet. It's going to be very, very slow. We are out of food. We need water. We are dying.

It's not moving. I am aware of that part. That's my complaint. You stop suggesting things. Irritable. Of course I am. Have you considered a nap? We're dying.

Oh, my god. We'll nap for a little while. And then let's pick this up soon. We'll talk later. Yes, but not too much later. OK. We are dying. Well, sleep.

It feels like we're going to sleep. Yes. Dying and sleeping are the same things. But I get your point. So a rich group of railroad owners' managers formed called the GMA to take on the ARU. OK. And the boycott begins.

And based on what we've already covered on the dollop, I won't go deep in a Pullman. But basically, it got super violent. And Pullman was a total fucking piece of shit. Yes. There was direct collusion between the US Attorney General and the railroads. If you can believe that.

The big thing is the mail has to go through. And there's a fight over mail cars. So by the owners try to make it seem like the workers are stopping the mail cars because they know that will bring in the troops and the feds. Right. And the workers are doing what they can to let the mail cars go through.

So it's a whole, you know, it's a. It's a dance. It's a dance. At a GM meeting, one of them stood and said, quote, you can't handle that man, Debs. You can't. You can't handle the ARU. We must crush him and the ARU.

So US Attorney joined a GMA meeting and assured them the AG had the back of the railroads. And Debs and an ARU executive committee members manned a boycott headquarters around the clock. So they're like taking telegrams and sending out messages and saying, yeah, do this, do that. They had hundreds of telegrams from unions. Pullman called the boycott, quote, pernicious, destructive

to order in society and in truth, anarchistic. While he was swimming through gold coin. I'm tired of it. But I mean, obviously, so similar. The tactic is, I mean, again, I mean, really, you just any minimal interruption, you inflate to be like, this is the problem. This is the person that's the problem.

Whereas the long term effect, which is just going to be so much more corrosive in them. Yeah. GM is right about not allowing black members into the union. They started taking the jobs of the white boycotters. And the white boycotters are like, that's OK. We're not upset at them. We don't blame every shortcoming of our own

on the other. We made a mistake in this process. And we recognize now that these are these chickens are coming home to roost. I got to say, even though I've lost my job, I'm still racism one unions to, you know what I mean? I think racism is more important. That's bigger you.

Yeah. Well, the crazy thing is, is the 1877 strike, they brought in Chinese workers like, guys, you already went through this. Right. There was a roadmap. Right, right. So Gene also said, the workers can't stoop to violence.

So he's like, don't be violent. Don't fall into the game. The boycott starts gaining momentum. And the AG wrote a petition to get a court to issue an injunction against union actions. OK. So he and which is legally you have to be happy again. So the AG had railroad lawyers write it.

And then he sent it to to bill. It sounds like a bill. He sent it to two pro-business judges who put the final touches on it. Great. And then they ruled on the injunction. That they just have to write. That's good.

How did they, well, Dave, we're all in suspense. Please, what did they find? Look at this. They, they, yeah, they went with the injunction. Oh, I know. It's crazy. Wow. Oh, gosh.

It's almost like everything's a scam. Yeah, yeah. Gene and all area directors were now forbidden from, quote, ordering, directing, aiding, assisting, and abetting any act of furtherance of the boycott. So they can't, they can't even communicate with any members of the union or each other. Right.

That's harmful. So they give zero fucks and they keep working. The Chicago Tribune, quote, deb sneers at the injunction and the dictator profanely declares it is not worth anything. The dictator. Yeah, they're calling him. They just called him the dictator. The guy, yeah, right.

He was ignoring, yeah, right. Gene called it absurd and said they couldn't get him into any legal traps. So the press starts attacking him nationwide. Good. They've always had our back. Yeah. The back of the people.

Yes, always. Truly. And he was declared a drunk. As far as the drink is. Like literally everyone could have been back. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Same here.

You know, he probably had a drinking problem. But like we said, it's totally social. It's the fucking, it's the animal. Incredibly common. Incredibly common. But at the time, one would go, that's where you would talk to dudes in the pubs. That's the norm.

And he loves a good pub session. His all his comrades across the US knew he was a heavy drinker. He loved hanging out all night long with his fellow union men, talking shop. It's the best. And the owners knew this. So he'd have a hard time refuting being called a drunk. But I also, it is a, I mean, I'm sure it works.

And it's effective. But in this time, like you would just think everyone who would read that would be like, oh, actually he's like us. So, you don't know me, but that's a red flag. He's me. Yeah. Well, so headline, Philadelphia Times, July 10th, 1894,

quote, Debs Sanity Questioned. The strike leader wants an inmate of the Keely Institute. So the Keely Institute was based on the Keely Gold Cure. And it was, it was like peaking at this time. Is this like a road to wellness thing that I love so much? Really? So people would. Turn of the century cures are my fucking favorite.

Eat two nuggets. That better? You feel better. It's expensive, but it works. Give it a minute. So patients were injected with their patented medicine, which they said contained actual gold. And the idea that, I mean, so much that's great about it.

There's just, with the time of the vaccine hesitancy. Yes. But to hear that and be like, that's a good thing. Gold is good to put in. Gold's real, gold's the best. You don't want too much, otherwise prospectors will move into your veins. You have vein prospectors, which is bad.

This reminds me of when Goldschlager came out and we got super excited to do shots of Goldschlager, where I would be so drunk and then be like, is this dangerous anywhere? Should we make a Zern? But then the regal vomit you would have when you go. Again, so nice to finally see gold lumps in my bile. What is that, a Lisa Frank notebook?

No, I just threw up in my car. Some of my gold won't flush, but the pukes down. So you would take injections, like a few a day, until you're cured of your addiction. Yeah, but I do have a hankering for gold. I mean, basically, I think they were, who knows what was in it, maybe morphine or something, but they were probably just injecting people

until they got past their alcohol shakes or whatever was going to come out. Oh, you're cured by the gold. Yeah. So it was very popular at the time. It's possible Jean tried the Keely cure, but papers have to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously, because it's the capitalist attacking it.

Or an injection of gold. Yeah, so an injection of gold. Anyway, Philadelphia Times quote, a New York doctor who treated Debs says that a few years ago, he was a complete dypsomania wreck and may not now be responsible for his actions. So no doctor-patient confidentiality back then? No, no.

He was really ready to let it fly. And he's got a picture of Trump's doctor, the guy who looked like a character in the Vel Kilmer movie The Saint. Yeah. When they were like, they broke into my safe of lies. They were like, are you a doctor? He's like, air quote doctor, yes, but not a doctor doctor.

The doctor said Jean was quote, a physical wreck and when under the influence of liquor, a victim of hallucinations. When I would get him drunk during our sessions, he would become quite delusional. He'd see bears. He would see a lot of bears. It was a mainly bear thing.

He was very... Which obviously isn't true because he's, if he isn't alcoholic, he's a very functional alcoholic as we've heard. Well, and even if he was, it's like, okay. Yeah. So he, I mean, he tried to quit drinking. If he's an alcoholic, he's a fucking great one.

Yeah. I mean, he's kicking ass. So, the doctor gives the paper a telegram that he says he just sent to Jean. Quote, as your friend and physician, I implore you to stop where you are. The condition of your nervous system and the great strain upon it makes you irresponsible

for your own orders. A moment so dire that a telegram would do. As your friend who's talking massive shit about you in the newspaper, I'd like you to... Also, if he sent the telegram, how does he have the telegram? Well... Well, he saw it as a copy, I guess.

Oh yeah, a carbon copy, yeah. What did I say? I sketched out what I might have thought here on this. The railroad right down for me to say... So, the story runs everywhere. The Lewisburg Chronicle. And the telegrams are so in earnest. Yes, the Lewisburg Chronicle.

Debs is a dipsomaniac. The semi-weekly new era. Is Debs demented? The New York Sun. Is Debs sane or lunatic? Jean responded to the doctor. Quote, whether you have maligned me for pay or for practice is not clear to me.

In either case, you've shown yourself to be a combination sandbanger and blackmailer as destitute of conscious as a rattlesnake. You also have given yourself the distinction of being a heartless, vulgar falsifier. Much rather, I would prefer leprosy to your friendship. P.S., I'm drunk. P.S., fuck you, codfish.

I mean, he doesn't hold back. That's great. No, that is great. That's the perfect retort, yeah. And all the papers are doing, or, I mean, all the publications are doing, it's not all, but it is like, it's a lot. It's not all.

Look, at the time, there's pro-union papers. That's what I was gonna say. But there's mostly, this is the robber band era, so most of the media is owned by... So you trace the money, it is basically what it is today. It's the exact same thing now. It's literally the same thing. This is the period when Americans are most

at each other's throat. Why? Because the rich guys owned all the media. They have people fighting all the time. They basically like, the railroad baron turns to his friend, the newspaper mogul in the club, and between cigars goes, can you do me a favor? Because we gotta get rid of this thing.

How do we keep this going? How did the Koch brothers get started? Their grandfather owned a newspaper in Texas and was pro railroad, and that's how... Is that true? Yes, that's how they started their fortune. So cool. By a shithead writing...

It's the American dream, it's just like so cool. To just starve people out of just a decent life. Yeah, so that you can have five boats. Effective lying to have more money than you or any of your grandchildren will ever be able to spend. It's pretty great, Senator Simona. That's awesome, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Excuse me? Senator... Cinnamon, have some respect. Senator Simona. Good Lord, asshole. Senator Cinnamon was another porn Dave was in. That one was great. It's a thinker, you have to focus.

That was Dave's Mr. Smith Goes to Washington porn. I'm here to change the system, is that right? Nope, well, okay. I have a briefcase with documents, but they'll wait. The New York Times reported that Reverend Dr. Wilson Leonard... Slow down, Reverend Dr. Wilson. During a sermon, it said Jean was a quote, dangerous demagogue, he and Governor Alt Geld,

who's the Illinois governor. Anything in the band, Alt J? Alt Geld, what a terrible name. Should be in prison. He called Jean, quote, the son of a saloon keeper, a man reared and educated upon the proceeds of human ruin. This is the man who was able to bring death to hundreds, ruin to thousands.

Another Reverend told the reporter, quote, there is but one way to deal with these troubles now, soldiers must shoot to kill. Jesus Christ, it's amazing how to combat what they view as, like, they sound so elite when accusing someone of elitism. Yeah. Like, they just...

Oh, but yeah, always. I mean, that's the conservative way. Like, the dad was a saloon owner, it's like, okay. They're, I mean, they're also like, they're the oppressors, but they're also the victims at the same time. Yeah. It's just the craziest function. Yeah, and it works.

It's just crazy, yeah. Also, don't you get your Reverend papers taken away if you're like, kill everybody? It doesn't really sound good. That was the doctor speaking. That's, he's a Reverend doctor, so that's the doctor part. Got it.

A Reverend doctor general. He's just a Reverend doctor general. Sergeant doctor, Reverend. He's kind of an anti-Jesus Reverend. Yeah, I'm one of those ones. Doesn't really believe in those teachings as much. That's new testing. Jesus was wrong a ton.

So reports of male cars being stopped come through and the AG talks, President Cleveland and descending troops. Jean quote, the first shot fired by the regular soldiers at the mobs here will be a signal for civil war. It is corporation greed and avarice alone that have brought us to the verge of a revolution. So he knows we're treating now as screw workers for all time and says, quote, I would rather be dead.

So he's like, this is it. We gotta, you know, fight. Shit. They try to get other unions to join. They're like, let's make this a big thing. Delegates from a hundred Chicago train unions met and Jean told them a general strike was the only way out of this.

Most wanted to, some didn't. They gave Pullman a deadline of July 11th to agree to arbitrate. And now the other big union is the AFL. And if they agree to join, it'll be fucking huge. Jean and the head of the AFL, Samuel Gompers, who we have a picture of him, six, they're not on the same page.

Jean wants to create a cooperative society through revolution and Gompers. It doesn't look like they'd be on the same page. Gompers just wants to get higher pay through incrementalism. And a bigger tie. And a comb. And a bigger, what do they call the thing? That hair is fucked up.

What do you put through the thing on your head again? What's that called? Rillipat. Rillipat. Wait, can, sorry. Will you tell me what the AFL stands for? American. Federation, fuck, all right.

God damn it. Of? Labor. Labor. God. Jesus Christ. Horse leeches. This is the horse leech union.

We demand bigger equines. All right, the horse leeches. Easy. So, right, so they have different ideas, right? Gompers wants to keep the system the way it is. And he's like, no, we got a crush system. So the New York Times called Jean quote, an enemy of the human race.

Jesus Christ. I mean, the way they step it up, right? A legal Martian, a human Martian man, not for Earth. He's a galactic bounty hunter. The Times called for him to be locked up and said quote, no friends of the government of the United States are ever killed by its soldiers, only its enemies. Wait, what?

Say it again. No friends of the government of the United States are ever killed by its soldiers, only its enemies. So basically, if an American soldier is forced to kill you because you're taking some kind of an action, then you deserve it. And you're the automatic. I mean, the New York Times.

I hear you, I mean, yeah, the New York Times. Sincerely the New York Times. Legally speaking. I talked so much about the New York Times over the years that we did a show in New York and the owner, the grandson of the owner was there and he sent me an email. I deleted it, but it was basically,

the New York Times was owned by somebody else back then and you talked too much shit about it and blah, blah, blah. And I just was just like, have you heard of the Iraq War, motherfucker? What the fuck are you talking about? They were leading, they were leading the reporting that got us into that asshole. The New York Times has a terrible track record.

I mean, aren't they the ones that published that Tom Cotton opinion column that was like, kill any? Well, there's also a headline from back in the day. I mean, this probably doesn't maybe play into what you're saying, but where it was like, the New York Times was just like, Hitler, not so bad. Like, you know. Oh yeah, no, they were full on with Hitler, mostly.

Easy, easy with the panic over Hitler. And Central Park Five, and that whole insanity, yeah. Yeah, no, there's no, absolutely no defending that paper. On July's? Well, I'd like to try. Because that crossword puzzle on Sunday, I swear to God, I do it for like three weeks. Name a better one.

If it takes going into Iraq to have that level of crossword puzzle. Then lead on, will short. Go. So on July 7th, the first six pages of the Chicago Tribune were about the strike. There was one ad for straw hats, which noted it was prime straw hats.

By the way, we're all getting up in arms over this. What a, is there a better time to get a two for one straw hat? If you're in a barbershop quartet, don't be distracted by this other stuff. Come to my living room, we're in the front of it, we're selling barbershop hats at the back is produce. And then my wife and I live in the back.

So the president declared strikers public enemies on July 6th. I think you're allowed to do that. And. Aren't you a public, you're a paper. As someone who had to strike on the street for the writer strike. While you're a boss drove by you.

In 2008, I gotta say, not the, not my favorite people I've ever met in the world that I had to strike with. But I guess that's a different topic. Sorry, I'm kind of, I'm side barring. And then the next day he ruled troops could shoot anyone hanging out in groups. What?

It's America. Just standing around? Yeah, if you're in a group, just march along. We should probably shouldn't do this too much longer. Okay, see you guys later. See you later. Stand across the street and talk to me. Just stand across the street and talk to me.

All right. Sorry if you have a family of five, you're fucked. Yeah, sorry kids, not today, that would be a group. Move away from mommy. Go away, run, you're on your own. Go near those dogs. I can't help it if you're twins. So this meant they had to move up the general strike call,

which they were trying to get for the 11th, but now they're like, let's do it, let's do it tomorrow. So the night before it was about to begin, Marshals came in and arrested Jean at his hotel. I'm right, for? Too much room service? Jean defts, yeah. Asking for fries instead of chips, rude.

And they arrested a bunch of ARU guys. Oh, picture seven. So they remember the injunction that was filed? So the people, so these are the devs there on the right. So all these guys were arrested because they were in the headquarters, sending out telegrams and helping with the strike. Which one is devs, upright?

Lower right. Bottom right, furthest? Oh wow, okay. So he was charged with conspiracy to interfere with interstate commerce, abstracting mail, and hindering execution of the laws of the United States. They seized all records at ARU headquarters. The next day, a judge ruled that Jean's personal papers

and mail had to be returned. Jean and 68 other people were indicted for conspiracy. At the White House, A.G. Only and cabinet members smoked celebratory cigars with President Cleveland. Oh my God. Grover Cleveland? That one? No, Frank. Okay, good. Mr. Cleveland.

Because I'm disappointed. Mr. Bodybuilding Cleveland. The best looking man in Cleveland. Mr. Cleveland. Cleveland's hottest man, Mr. Cleveland. Hey. Hello. So what's with this devs character?

Don't you worry about that, sex bot. Jean was bailed out and a young lawyer named Clarence Darrow was hired as his attorney. Wow. Yes. The next day, 25,000 workers went on strike. But a bunch did not. Longshoremen, bakers, plumbers didn't, coal miners didn't. So commerce is barely affected in Chicago.

It's not a general strike. And without the EFL, it's just not gonna happen. Right. The Chicago Musicians Union summed up the mood, quote, to strike now would be like standing on the shore, watching a man drown and saying to him, nevermind, another man is coming out there to drown with you. Sure.

Sure. Well, anything could be looked at that way. Yeah. Enough of a dumb asshole. Jesus Christ. Well, this is why we don't listen to drummers. Yeah. That's what I've been doing wrong.

Yeah. Shit. That is so frustrating though. I mean, that is what is so fucking frustrating is just the, you know, the level of same paging that needs to happen. Yeah. And the level of cowardice when it comes down

to put your shit down and go stand shoulder to shoulder with people who are being exploited because you're next. And it's the easiest thing in the world to go, no, I'm fucking not or who cares. And that's like, there was truckers that came to strike with us at the writer's strike. And I remember this one, people were just like, it's so amazing, you came to walk with us.

And he's like, well, just come when we go on strike. And you watched people go like, huh? Like truly. I'll be writing then, I'll be writing then. Seriously, I think it'll be on the show at that point. Yeah, when Ayase strikes, we go walk with them. Yes, for real. You have to, that's the fucking,

that's the point, if people could just get it into their heads, it's like it would go fast and it would be powerful if it was all at once. But people are so fucking self-centered and they're so also, they're so good at rationalizing their own personal cowardice and greed. It is the easiest thing in the world for people to do. It'd be like, yeah, but you know,

we didn't get that much from the writer's strike. It's like, right, but you don't know what we didn't get. Like you don't know how bad it could have been. Well, and that's what makes it so tough now because they, I mean, as we're learning, like they're so good at learning from these times. And the way that they're like, the less you have, the harder it is for you to actually pull this shit off.

And you get people to the point where they have so little. And they don't want people to know strikes are powerful. Look, never, ever forget that the NBA was about to go on strike. Oh, this story is fucking crazy. And Obama called them and talked them out of it. It's never fucking forget. And that really was like, I never heard that before.

That was, when that was happening, I was like, this is gonna be fucking crazy. Like if the NBA, if LeBron James is like, we go on strike, the NBA goes on strike. That's a domino, then it's just. Yeah, that, then. Yes, it is. And this is right at the peak of BLM and all that.

I mean, it's fucking, it was really good. Obama, I know. Obama stopped. I know. Yep. So. And you. So Gene went to the AFL convention and he spoke,

but at this point, he knows it's fucked. So instead of a general strike, he asked Gompers to go to the GMA to propose a settlement. Okay. The ARU would agree to return at once in a body provided they shall be restored to their former positions without prejudice. So he's accepting defeat.

By the way, that's written in and that doesn't actually exist. When you go back to work after a strike, it's an ugly fucking affair. I'll tell you that. Yes, it is. Especially when you had the boss you had. Gene was accepting defeat.

Let's say bosses. I cannot believe she kept her shell after everything came out. Gene was accepting defeat. They couldn't beat the railroads if the federal government was on the railroad side and the AFL didn't join them. Gompers said he would go to the GMA meeting

with the proposal if Gene came along, but he knows the GMA says they'll never meet with Gene. So it's a fucking bullshit. Awesome. Right. Gene said Gompers quote, not only did no good, but did great harm. The whole capitalist press exalted over the decision

of Mr. Gompers and his colleagues. So the mayor brings the offer and the GMA passes as expected and the strike ends. Many workers lose their jobs. So I'm gonna start at the bottom of the ranks if they did keep their jobs. Pullman gave some of their jobs back if they left the union.

Many were blacklisted from any corporate job anywhere. Three quarters didn't get their jobs back. Geez, fuck. Yeah. Again, if the unions don't work together, this is the fucking AFL thing. This is all the unions not fucking. And once the AFL wasn't in, it was fucked.

Then here too, sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say, it's fucked for generations because then the word is that it doesn't work, you get fucked over and they're fucking over the people who have the least way to sustain through not working, right? It's the people who need the most, who are sacrificing the most, who end up getting hit

the hardest. And like you're saying, that ripple effect is just, I mean, impossible to overlook. For generations, you're like, yeah, but then that happens. They're all criminals, yeah. No, it was so close to the other fucking way. Yeah. So Gene accused the Chicago Herald

and the inter-ocean newspapers of misquoting it. We represent all of the oceans. We write about it. And we're really, we're a periodical, mainly for mermaids, fish, and coral. That's our demo. I'm a reporter for the wide Sargasso Sea and... Yes.

Unbelievable work you people are doing. People, I'm sorry. Guild. You're in a guild, right? C-I-L-L-E dance. That's the one. Question from a lake weekly. Yeah, well, you're not.

We don't like you to ask questions a little later, but go ahead, Lake. I just have a question about all the algae that's been happening. Yes, yeah, we're recovering all that. That's why we're covering the algae like the algae's covering the lakes. I love water.

We like to say we're on this story. I love water papers. All right, relax over there, Lakes. That's why we kind of have been keeping this to bigger bodies of water. They can handle it. Yeah, the lakes are. They've been in the end zone before.

I just like being with you guys. Okay, Lake. I'm in the big ocean league. Someday. So he says the Chicago Herald and inter-ocean papers misquoted him and then said the frauders later apologized and the papers lost their fucking shit. The inter called it a, quote,

false and malicious charge and as wild as untrue. Is the dictator trying to lie out of his predicament? The paper they call Jean a martyr fireman and the dictator and his union and outlaw labor organization said his actions were, quote, either shows Debs lack of moral character or mental soundness. So these guys who had just been fucking attacking him and the workers saying they were illegal, blah, blah, blah.

Now they're like, well, he has no moral character because he called us liars. Right, for lying. It's just such a baby fit. And it's what you said before. Like they, their actions all of a sudden don't exist. Yeah, never. The Herald said, quote,

the Herald does not often trouble its patrons with matters personal to itself. It's departing from this custom today. The paper called Jean. Because we have time pissed. This is a diary. Guess what? Unbelievable.

We're about to tell you. The paper called Jean a malicious creature. It's just on a level where even if you were reading it, wouldn't you be like, this seems like a little much. This is a little pissy. It feels like, yeah, it feels emotional. Oh, so pissy. So Jean's accusations were printed in the Tribune,

which is much more even-handed. I mean, they called them the dictator, but they also weren't just anti-labor, right? So the Herald attacked the Tribune. The inter-ocean then, oh wait. Okay, the inter-ocean then reported that the person, first person to see Jean in prison was a French sculptor who took a plaster cast of his bust and head

to make a bronze statue. So I don't even know if that's true. What? It just seems like such a fucking lie. That can't be true. It cannot be true. They're giving him like his, like they're like, oh yes,

you can have your bust making stuff in here in the joint for sure. It's that fucking doctor dressed up like a French sculptor. He's got a weird fake little mustache on. It's me. Bonjour. Hello.

I'd like to do my art, I'm in prison. And by the way, I refuse to speak in French. Stop, let's start. Yeah, we go. Ready to get the busted, I call it. Yes, we're busted and we do bust, huh? They said after the sculptor came, Jean got mail that was enough to quote,

keep the prisoners busy until Sunday dinner was served from a neighboring hotel. So they're just trying to fucking act like it's all awesome in there. Oh, in prison he gets hotel food? He gets hotel food and he's getting. He's being bronzed. Oh yeah, bronzed.

He's being bronzed for the Hall of Fame. So this is what the Herald said about the times. I guess the times was the pro labor paper. Quote, the Chicago Times is an organ of anarchy today because it's stupid, this is in the Herald. This is great. Because it's stupid owners, having tried everything else and failed,

are seemingly of opinion that the championship of arson assassination, train wrecking and rebellion can be made to pay. There's more. Okay. Their paper was a failure at two cents. It was a failure at one cent. It's just such a little bitch.

Yeah, it's great. I would now see this is when I'd be buying papers. I'm getting both of them. Yeah, for real. Do not buy that paper. She's a slut and always has been. Yeah. I mean, they're diss tracks.

Yeah, totally. It's fucking. The Herald said they had refrained from reporting that Debs was a patient at the state's penitentiary for women. Wait. They're just fucking throwing shit out for you. He's a girl.

He went to a lady prison. He's a girl. He's a girl. I mean, honestly, like. He's a girl with a pretty face. He went to a lady prison. I love him. He served time with ladies.

So. I mean, they were literally throwing shitfits. These papers. Quote, the Herald cares nothing for Debs, who is an inflated upstart for the ARU, which is an aggregation of outlaws and Bandidi, as well as dupes and fools. Well, Bandidi's always fun.

So they won. Right. And they're still fucking throwing shitfits. Right. But they demolished. The first thing is, how dare you ever even raise the idea of not letting us have all the money. Yeah.

So Jean and the ARU leaders go to court and hearing a schedule, they refuse bail. Jean, quote, I would rather be a free man behind prison bars than a slave under the sunlight. Well, plus he's getting the busts made. And the hotel dinners, the delicious rolls. All the rolls he wants. He told his mom and dad that he was gonna take prison

before he went to court and they wired back, quote, stand by your principles, regardless of consequences. Easy for you to say, mom and dad. Hey, in jail, boy. By the way, we turned your room into a grocery store. Jail was terrible. There were bed bugs and rats. Yeah, not really the bust and hotel.

Well, they must have loved the hotel dinners. The rats. By the time the hotel dinners got there, everyone's like, thank God you're here. It's been so jail-y up until this point. Just put the roll on his face, it butteres it up. So at the hearing, Jean said he was just a strike advisor, not giving orders.

And the prosecutor had telegrams that seemed like Jean was giving orders and telling workers to get guns, which everyone's like, that's a lie. Like that, he just didn't do that. Cause he, the whole time he was preaching non-violence. Right. The trial was delayed when a prosecutor became ill. So Jean went back to a tear-hot

and was in bed for two weeks, exhausted. Wow. It's just this thing. Right, yeah. He'd stayed up for five years straight. Yeah, yeah. He's kind of like a bear schedule. So he went to testify in front of Grover Cleveland's

strike commission on August 20th. And both he and Gompers blamed the courts for ending the strike. And they asked Jean what he would do to prevent future strikes. And he said, quote, I would propose this. The government ownership of railroads is decidedly better for the people

than the railroad ownership of government. Ooh. Yeah. Nice. The chairman asked him if he was a socialist. And Jean said, quote, no, sir, I do not call myself a socialist. My idea is to secure harmonious relations.

There must be kindness and mutual confidence as a basis. The commission's final report found, That sounds a little shitty. Where are the cigars in that? Yeah. The commission's final report found, quote, there is no evidence that the officers of the American Railroad Union

at any time participated in or advised intimidation, violence, or destruction of property. Never once? Never once. That's what the commission says. Aw. So the ARU never regains its strength. It's 22,000 in debt.

Jean feels responsible, so he goes on a speaking tour, but it would take him 19 years to pay off that debt. Oh, my God. Railroad detectives now follow him wherever he goes. Railroad detectives. He went, well, the Pinkerton's, right? Yeah, right. He would meet union organizers in secret,

but the next day they would get fired or be ordered to turn in their union cards. So he goes on trial on September 5th, 1894, and prosecutors had 9,000 telegrams. During the trial, Jean finally quit his job at BLF Magazine. Okay. So after all this, he quits his job. He gave up the magazine.

Yeah. Can't imagine still working. That was his passion. It's a great publication. I'm working for the inter-ocean letter publication now. He wrote a letter that was read at the BLF Convention that was happening during the trial. Quote, in submitting my resignation,

I avail myself of the occasion of tendering to the delegates of the convention insurances that old-time associations are not forgotten and of wishing each and all the largest measures of prosperity attainable under labor's unfortunate environments. And then the delegates attacked him. They called him disloyal and crept for hiring

his siblings at the paper and one produced articles calling him a drunk. Again. Yeah. I mean, guys. Yeah. It's the wrong time. And also he was like, I don't want the job.

I don't want the job. I don't want the job. Right, right. Yeah. They discussed refusing his resignation so they could fire him. What? And he's like, doesn't hurt.

It happens to me all the time. Yeah. Well, he hears about it from friends and he goes down to the convention and he has to speak and they let him. Some snippets. Quote, at that time I concluded the brotherhood was a failure as a protective organization

and I have not changed that opinion. He explained that railroad workers should be in one union and fight for each other and the brotherhood did absolutely nothing for them. Quote, I regard the average lodge meeting of the BLF a farce. What did they do? The lodge room should be a school room.

Basically, it's a fuck you. Here's what I did for you, ungrateful bastards. Goodbye. So he just fucking lets him have it and then he's out. So the trial starts up again and Gene's lawyer doesn't prevent a defense because they don't want prosecutors to know what they're planning for the next trial because the next trial has a bigger sentence

if he gets convicted. Okay, so they're basically just like, I know for the question. Yeah. He could get two years for the second one and this one he gets found guilty and he gets six months. Okay. Second trial begins, Clarence Darrow introduces excerpts

from the minutes of secret GMA meetings showing the managers plotted to reroute trains to upset the public. So they've gotten the records of the meetings and they know about the fucking mail shit. They know about it. Yeah. They said it was a conspiracy to destroy the ARU,

which we know it was. The defense is winning and then a juror gets sick and the judge stops the trial. Too much gold. Judge stops the trial and then the government dismisses the charges. Fuck. Because they had them.

Like they, it was clearly a conspiracy to. Yeah. And then so it was like. Oh, Juror Nines coffee. Oh, Juror Nines fallen. There's no trial. This is all over. It's over.

Everyone is equal. You drink too much legally. That's the end of it. Mind your business. Mind your business, everybody. Mind your business. So they appealed the first case and the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against Jean.

Jean said, quote, every federal judge is now made a czar. The Chicago Tribune wrote that the decision was, quote, a notice to all anarchists and other disturbers of the peace that the hands of the general government are not fettered. So Jean goes to jail. Now it's a small jail and it's attached to the back of a sheriff's house.

What? I don't know what's happening. We don't have separate building. Everything's a twofer. Separate buildings were invented in 1922. What if the business, and to hear me out, the business is not part of your home? Is that, have you been drinking?

That would make me uncomfortable. I've been drinking, yeah. Okay, just a pitch. No, as far as I have to walk. Okay, you sound like, okay, great, great. So yeah, I agree. The only thing that should be a separate building is the bathroom.

Right, that makes sense for sure. Yep, that's perfect. And wooden. Yeah. Yeah. Great, good talk. So, inmate eight meals with the sheriff's family and played football in his backyard.

What? Jean. It's more of a camp. It's more of a camp. You get bracelets if you learn canoeing. Jean had so many visitors and so much mail that he hired a secretary while he was in jail. Well, okay, this is starting to play into what the papers do.

He's got a secretary in jail. Do not hire that artist to make it. Another boss, please. Oh, it turned out terrible. The bossed artist. I got nervous, huh? I didn't have everything I needed. The jury was to be.

I don't even French. It's out enough to do this accent. I'm focusing on the accent. I can't do both. Much less a sculpted thing I don't know how to do either. It's Millie Michet. Millie Michet? It's Millie Michet.

Paper Michet. It's Millie Pepe Michet. Because sometimes you slip into using French words? Le sang? Pah! Jean's house, Jean's house. Jean's wife rented a house nearby. Okay.

Jean's house rented a house nearby. Jean's house rented a wife nearby. The house was so rich from groceries that the house went into real estate. He would meet the reporters and have interviews in the sheriff's dining room. So it's not that bad. Great, yeah, I'd go there.

The leader of the socialist movement, Milwaukee, came and gave Jean a copy of Karl Marx's Das Kapital. Read this, pal. And this was eye-opening. Oh, my Lord. Jean would later say, quote, Burger delivered the first impassioned message of socialism I had ever heard the very first

to set the wires humming in my system. Oh, my Lord. That is the end of part one. Now his wires are humming? Now my wires are humming. Ooh, this is kind of exciting. Also, Burger was the man's last name that delivered them.

I'm sorry, I'm picturing Mayor McCheese. I mean, wouldn't it be great if a big burger with eyes gave him Das Kapital? You've gotta read this, Jebs. This is nuts. You're not gonna believe it. It's made us hamburgers and cheeseburgers come together as one union, the BU.

Sources, Nick Salvatore, Eugene V. Deb, citizen and socialist, Jack Kelly, the edge of anarchy, the railroad baron, Segillian age, the greatest labor uprising in America, Ray Ginger, the bending cross, a biography of Eugene Deb's. And then there's a ton of like newspapers, a ton of newspapers. So the list will be on the Sources page,

but it would go on forever if I kept asking. Most importantly, The New York Times. The New York Teams. All right. Instagram for part two when he is. When his wires are humming. Full on socialists. Oh boy.

Bzzzzzt. Am I in part two? Yeah. Great. Do you want, I mean, can you be? Yeah. Okay, good. Please.

Please. Please.