The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 517 - The Diseased Book Panic

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the great book panic. Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch

He you're listening to the dollop on the all things comedy network. This is a American history podcast where each week I Dave Anthony Read a story From American history to my friend Garrett Reynolds glad you got the note Well, you've really stepping over me, but I love that I love the energy Garrett Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about great energy. You finally took my note be angry

Right. Give the people what they want. We've seen nice sweet cuddly you right give us the edge Unleash the beast. So yeah, I've been talking a lot about this You know my nickname for a long time has been teddy bear Dave and yeah Dave bear it's time for it's time for the Dave bear to go away a little bit, you know Dave bear's got claws Let's see him. We're sick of this. Let the grizzly out. You know what I'm saying. Oh, yes, let the grizzly out it Can you even be angry? Let us see if you can I don't think you can You know, I try I I get There's stuff that should make me angry some guys slapped my kid the other day and I was just like sir

That's just not this is not cool. Sir. Here's $5. I'm sorry. My boy has that slapable face So I had definitely have to work on it. Like I'm not good. My therapist is always the first in the in the first act of the movie Dave that's what we see. Yes, and then later in the third act. We see you slap that guy That's right. Maybe to his death. You maybe slap the man to death Open I open hand slap a man to death He's just the gym teacher. He's dead. What he just slapped him to death and every time I hit him He goes, sir No, and it just keeps sir and it just an hour and a half

Yeah, it's a lot Yeah, the news is that you're right. We should have jumped in I Mean it went up for 90 minutes halfway through. We talked about it And called it quote his jam patch. Yeah, I'm the fucking hippo guy. Okay. My name's Gary My name's Gary. Wait, is it for fun? And this is not gonna come to tickly plot guys. Okay Now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments Oh, and then we should also mention Dave that on our patreon we have started a couple of things among them We've got some nice long Q&A sessions with the mail bag and then last week we did our first dollop quiz where I was quizzed on

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library directors meeting was held in Chicago Exciting boy the shushing in that meeting. Oh I have something I have I have something I'd like to bring up to the group Okay, but you're talking to so be right. So just write it down everyone. Everyone. Can I have your attention? Everyone be quiet Okay I'm so thankful that everyone made it I'm trying I'm trying I'm trying. I'm so thankful that everyone made it out to this meeting. This is one of our better turnouts. I

Understand I understand guys, please This is going to be amazing to see so many familiar faces I have to lead the meeting I have your shushing is enough. I will close the meeting. I will close the meeting Well, we I need we need to have the meeting. What is your name? What is your name? I know it's Gabriel, but what is your name? What's your name? You're not allowed to you're not allowed to take books out here Yeah, well, yeah, when you when you come why don't you look up my name in some of those dumb files?

Okay, listen when the little dewey decimal system If you go look up why don't you do this go look up my name you idiot if you if you come back You will have a note from the principal Shut the fuck up, but everybody shut the fuck up until then Shut not allowed back. This is an important meeting. We're having You guys have box That guy We should have shut the doors

So the meeting was attended by WF pool who was a librarian at the Chicago Public Library Wet full pools of the name and how did you know his name was wet for? If you'd pools of the last name wet and full is the game a wet full. I thought it was wet for Apologies I am sorry Whoo, I'm wet for pool at the hotel pool. So WF have provided us a report of the meeting in which we learned that one of the directors asked if It was possible for library books to transmit contagious diseases between borrowers

Okay, this is a very of the time question Okay, now what what okay? I'm curious what was happening in society or if this is just this is the very first time that We know that question was asked in public and no one books or about books or about about library specifically, okay, okay, and no one knew the answer at the At the library directors meeting all the directors the easiest place to find the answer is the library Uh, the Chicago Tribune wrote that the possibility of becoming sick from a book was very small But but it could not be ruled out This is

It feels like we suffer from that now. I mean, I would have read the book, but I'm afraid I'd gotten sick So I just decided to stay down Yeah, whatever excuse you need books make you sick here we go Here we go songs make you better. No, that's that I made up make you immune not a thing Tell me you don't have you well books or killers. They have a look. Yeah, okay Okay, so the books make you sick so now at the time There's you know epidemics all the time tuberculosis smallpox got fever. They're just tormenting cities Before probably from books before the 1800 before the 1880s. Sorry, which is where we are

People thought sickness came from bad air. We've covered that in Many a dollop Sure, but germ theory is now established Quarantines are being enforced keep You know people safe With all this in mind though people start, you know, they're like, okay germs and wrap my head around germs and they start wondering What about these these new public library things that people are all the flutter about More like germ station germ stations is what yeah, they should have been called

Filthy, okay. So so why why specifically library? Well, so that's a good question. So after the meeting Pool like I feel like saloons would be like more would wouldn't you think so saloons where more people are touching stuff There's a lot of places you there's a lot of places you can come up with stores There's a lot of places you can come up with where Yeah, but so it's although I have to say one time one time Evan did walk into a public library bathroom and saw a guy shaving his arms So was he a criminal on the run and he had to change his disguise? No, I don't really know what his deal was

So I don't know. I mean, he's probably a gentleman without a home and he needed to you know clean up for You know something look if you're an arm and he had an arm interview that you had a guy without a house And you got to go to an arm interview. What are you gonna do? Got a big arm interview that night I prefer to think it was a guy on the run and he had to shave his armpits because someone said looking for a guy with Harry four arms. Oh Wait, it was his arm pits right. Did you say arms? No, no, no, no No, no, no his arms. Oh, well, he was getting ready for a bicycle race

That's right. Yeah, I'm I'm swimming. I'm trying to break my swim record How's things look out? How's things look out in the pool? This is a gas station I'm WF pool someone talking about shaving their arms for a pool. Well, I'm wet for it See I'm big fingers. I'm wet for the pool boys. Why is he moving his fingers around? You know villains back then they always had like they did they had a hand signal chatty fingers. Yeah Ha, yeah, because it was always like mid suspender grab sure. Well, I've got something and then they tug on the suspender So pool writes to

Like some prominent medical authorities and librarians in the country. He's like, let's see about this And he asked them if books could spread viruses and 19 of them wrote back 19 of the 20 medical authorities only one Surgeon general dr. John Billings said he had heard of a disease being passed by a book and he was pretty sure it happened in London called facts it's It's always a good thing when you ask someone have you heard of this happening and they go I think yeah Mm-hmm in another country. Yes a fella got sick from a book in London. What? So the other a team were like look that's a really big stretch But some but some we're still like but I you know don't lend books to homes in which people are infected

Just don't we don't know okay. I mean I get it sort of yeah. No, it's Yeah, like I mean think of what we've gone through the past couple years like I mean I yeah stuff would be showing up at my place And I'd be like time to wipe them down. Yeah. Oh for sure. So Dr. Henry Lyman Answered very sarcastically And recommended 15 sanitary cops be hired to bar people from infected houses and to deliver children to school in glass cages And of course sterilize all US mail. So that guy was just like fuck you're dumb two problems One that all seems like stuff that could have been said in the 1800s and two a lot of sarcasm is in the delivery

Oh for letters really short changing your sarcasm. Yeah, what all I've got is this one man who heard of a story in London And this other gentleman who's very emphatic about putting children in popes. Yeah, it's like it's like a sarcastic tweet good luck Yeah, right. I sarcasm needs a font. Yeah So despite no evidence of this being a thing the idea of book spreading infections persists Sure, of course. Now as You brought it before Why is this happening? Well, why am I target book interesting? Why target book? So this isn't a time when there is a big nationwide push

To put public libraries everywhere, right? Towns, counties, cities, let's get public libraries and knowledge is power. Yeah, get people also a lot of towns What it's almost like to shave your arms in the bathroom. Yeah, it's a great. Yes, but it's all almost like Stadiums today where stadiums are like businesses are attracted to cities that have stadiums because then they know they can They're taking clients and stuff. So it's almost of that sort of way to view it like people like well That town's got a library and and then meet people are more attracted to it It's like a thing. I'll do us all a favor and not start thinking about how the world in this country would look if We replaced sports stadiums with libraries and had the same fanfare, but

That's the craziest thing you've ever said might be a little better So as So that meant as people pushed for them well, of course, there were people who are opposed to libraries Taxes, right taxes and then of course there's this thing where what taxes are gonna go up with the library Taxes pay for the library And then of course, there's this thing where the masses have access to knowledge Right Me feel like that no matter much now

Why me care me do good fact no Me need no need fact fight. Yeah, okay. Yeah. No, I totally need no fact Library got burned bad. Yeah Man no need Speak better. I was like this. Yes. I was gonna say that man. No need to speak kill man library thoughts bright With knives, okay, I don't think you should go to the library. I don't think books hurt. Yes. I mean they can Drugs good no sir great. What? by good

Okay, I Think yes, I think we can't do an agreement razor razor. No razor razor razor razor Shave my arm. Oh, you're the shape the arm. Yeah, shave shave arm. How was the how was water polo? Drowning often too much hair Yeah, yeah, no, I know yeah shave quick books kill. Yeah, no books. Don't kill them. They give you knowledge and strength Knowledge okay, whoa Oh, okay, thanks for coming in. Oh So so sick what?

You talk about book make me okay. Okay, books book kills. No books. No books. No kill books. No man Stop it Also, please. Will you please drown me? I see what's coming So I'm waiting for the library in trials So, you know, that's why It's the math and look black people were not allowed like the civil rights

You know this act in the 60s when black people start getting into libraries like they were you know, so So and it is amazing how Easily forgotten all that is that like it's fine now. It's fine. Oh shesha shesha. Yeah, and look another another good indication that like this is a Thing that people are trying to keep books out of the hands of the masses is because this also happens at the exact same time in in England The same the same things the same let's all be scared books England had passed a public health act in 1875 to prohibit lending of quote

Betting clothing rags and other things that were exposed to infection So any shit you had around they've been exposed to infection you couldn't lend it to someone else like if you like you say Gareth you have a wife Bridget and Bridget dies You know filled with pustules on her bed From never from smallpox and then you're like what should I do with these dirty filthy? Hey want some sheets right you lend up to Tim so they said don't so they're like don't actually that's right Don't that's right. No, because it's not right. Well, they're saying it's full of Yeah, the virus so don't

maybe not I'm sorry. I'm on board with the thinking back then to not take smallpox sheets and be like here you go Yeah, that's a bad thing. You shouldn't give them right people Okay, I was okay. No, I thought you were arguing that you should know the act is I thought you were like They like I was crazy that I would be like no, no, I'm actually yeah, this one. I'm with Okay, although that's a man So You're gonna be coming down on me. Oh

Big government. I can't keep my To my name there would be a guy a guy on YouTube eating the sheets piece by piece with a knife and fork I'll show you how bad these sheets really are So newspapers caused a lot of fear with this stuff Some papers just took what other papers published and then you know ran with it and had some fun with it So eight days after the Parisburg Journal in Ohio said to remove books from rooms of sick people The nearby Ohio Democrat freaked out and wrote quote the disease scarlet fever has been spread by circulating Libraries picture books have been taken there from to amuse the patient and returned without being disinfected

So people reading that are just like what the fuck I Get it, but it's it's so weird to fully pinpoint books as you're let is this like yeah, they're not doing it with other I mean, I'm sure there is some stuff that books are really taking a hit right there. Well, yeah Do you know I mean there's tons of stuff I would imagine that you would be like look don't well that you've got to be careful You bring up saloons like yeah, then I'm gonna place people get diseases getting drunk and hanging out like yes So but yeah, but they're like specifically books. Yeah, so so papers are driving the fear and the Creating phobias about books so sure a smallpox

Outbreak happened in England in 1888 and in Sheffield. They came up with it. It's the damn Books they came up with a technique of heating Carbolic acid crystals in an oven which created just need to put your book in the carbon oven Then you can read yeah, so it created a vapor and that would disinfect the books. So you put the books in the paper So it's pretty easy. Just bake the bake cook the book in the car. Carbolic acid. We're cooking the books So it does not it doesn't work if people don't feel safer. They're not like because everyone's like I don't even know what carbolic acid is. What are you talking about? So Look guys, and we know it's crazy. The books are gonna kill you unless you bake them. That's pretty clear 100%

Call us and run. We're cooking the books in the city of Bradford The library was given a list of local infected people To compare with its list of people who had borrowed books and that way they could figure out if someone was an infected borrower, so So books are I mean so libraries are now working with the health Authorities the health 40s are like look the psychopaths here. Look we found a way to make a list over this This guy and not only does that scarlet fever, but he also has Wuthering Heights Okay, okay, so books are the enemy so, okay So that way they figured out who's infected and books are then seized and taken to to this is what they did in Bradford

They took it to the hospital for patients to use so they took it to people who are already sick Well, and they're like you guys get these sick books. There's only one disease a person can have and And so these books are sick so they could go to anyone who's sick Well, this person is cancer probably shouldn't get smallpox on top of it. It's fine. They're all the same They're the same so you can give the sick books to the sick people. They just can't leave here. Does that make sense? Okay, so everyone in here is sick, right? Great and Basically, they all have the same thing so these books have smallpox probably on them

So they could go to anyone who's sick now that includes people with smallpox That includes people without smallpox if they're in the hospital and they got a bad leg They now can have the books that have smallpox we in the real world outside of here Don't want your dirty disease books Okay, so these are sick books They've been tainted and you guys can use them as much as you want we regulars We don't want to touch your dirty sick books you sickos Okay, and don't come out of there and touch our new books

Because that's a way a good way to get the books back in here and if that's what you're doing. Well, they're not okay Don't make the new book sick You get the old sick book sickies Whoo, what's the next problem? So you couldn't borrow a book if you lived in an infected house until it was officially declared disease-free by authorities So each town has a different what a what a what a meaning that oh my god I just can't we need to get the authorities over here to I haven't been able to borrow a book in three weeks I've been healthy for a while healthy for a while is everybody everybody here is not sick

No, none of it we haven't been sick for a while. It's been like six months like we have been totally You say it's been six six no six months six. Sorry. We're not able to unable to give no you said it right No, I didn't sick six. You just said it's been six six six six six six. You had a lot of oh, what excuse? No, no, no, no, listen to me you Satan worshiping small pocket affected postural. No now You're sick. You admitted it You're not getting any books for another six. No, I just have diarrhea. It's cuz I ate a bad Oh Well, listen listen listen you said it when you set it up top you've had six months. It's over

You're not getting any books. Sorry put them on the list. No more book You'll have to learn the way that we used to learn cave paintings. Have a good day So England's Library journal which was named the library journal Came dear diary I'm an establishment It comes at it. I actually read it. I actually found a copy and read it comes in

You're not supposed to read the library's I did but I did I read the library's diary and there is it's a lot I just like I like the bell tower Don't tell it So the library journal comes under criticism for ignoring disease books the library journal is trying to stay above it all They're like, we don't buy this shit and then people like why the fuck? Why aren't you talking about the disease books library journal? That's right. The library industrial complex so The editors responded that any intelligent doctor would have books disinfected and then returned so there was no reason to bring it up

And he would obviously report the infection to the library because the law said he had to so fucking It's not a big deal. We have a system in place. That's not it intelligent It's amazing that you have to qualify doctors by the intelligent for Not the dumb ones that we live with so often you still have to do that So this isn't a strong enough to dial our opinion or whatever it is about an infected books for some people In the u.s. Pool is still looking for an answer on the disease library book question and and he just kept asking doctors and experts and he found nine doctors who said they knew of people being infected by library books Okay

That doesn't sound anecdotal. I'm we're like five years in from when the question was asked. So he's been okay and nine people got okay, yeah, and Dr. H. W. Baker reported scarlet fever had been passed by a book Doctors DJ Plunkett and CF Folsom both said DJ Plunkett Yes They both said smallpox was spread by books and

Okay, some wanted some of these doctors wanted books destroyed after an infected disease And okay, some wanted some of these doctors wanted books destroyed after an infected person read them though Just fucking ruin the books. Just ruin them. I love the one and done book Our business model is not great It's a one and done. It's not great Okay 1885 miss Jesse Allen just books. It's just books. There's not we're not worried about bikes or We're really door handles or just on the book situation right now. Okay. All right

Okay in 1885 miss Jesse Allen became a librarian at the Omaha Public Library And now Jesse then became a member of the American Library Association She did that at the Buffalo Library conference the next year. She's very exciting conference. Yes, of course Obviously, it's very exciting that women are now allowed to take part in libraries because in 1853 the first Librarians convention was held in New York City. It was just 80 dudes Surely just not great Well, they for three days they discussed cataloging and collection development and communication and just all the fun things You could talk and you get I mean for days I could talk about that for day

I'd be like how's the convention ending after three days? I could talk about cataloging for five catalog I love it three days at a library convention So I think we should catalog by author By title And by subject I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I agree But I'd love to go through it a little slower Okay

So I was thinking I'm just having the best convention Regarding cataloging God I love this That we do it by Title? The title of the book? Hold on

Slow slow Title of the book Oh my God We do it Oh my God We do it By the author's name Sir name

I'm gonna finish I'm gonna, I'm gonna start And then finally Subject I made a gooey decimal system So is he Mr. Jesse Allen served on over the years several committees She's very prominent voice in the movement to extend the public libraries in America

The library associate association quote she had a national reputation as a successful administrator And an effective worker in every way So are you gonna get a higher praise from the library? Are you? I don't know Successful administrator Some guy to Effective worker That's good

Praise machine Unbelievable whisper game But then she was diagnosed with tuberculosis in November of the world's fair More like tuberculosis Jacuz, Jacuz, Jacuz She was, it was in November of the world's fair year Which year, Gareth? 1904

1904 18 1894 1898 In early September Stick around for the dollop quizzes So now she has tuberculosis She's, she's, it's, it's terminal, you know, she's, she's going down

In early September 1895 the library board passed a resolution honoring her Quote The directors of the Omaha Public Library for themselves and the reading public of Omaha Desired to express to Miss Jesse Allen Their sincere appreciation for her long, faithful and efficient service as a librarian Could you imagine the honor, the honor, the joy? This is like a living funeral at this point Like she's hearing it

She's a great Put her in the diary She's a great fucking librarian Okay Top notch We will now do the 21 shushes She dies a few days after that On September 12th

Tuberculosis Tuberculosis is a pretty common death at the time The old consumption, as we call it Yup And a bunch of people freaked Because they believed Jesse died from a contaminated Books Library

Book One book They know the book Well, they don't know which book, they know it's book, there's books in there We're gonna have to burn all these How else I mean, that's serious I mean, that's really your solution, right?

It's just basically, well, all the books gotta go Yeah, I mean, yeah, you gotta kill all the books I would set fire to the library myself And is there, again, there's no real definitive connection to How else would you get it? Because she was a librarian and she got a very, I mean, it was pretty contagious A TV, yeah I mean, because this is what I would point to

People who aren't librarians also got it Well, I don't know about that We don't have all the records in front of us Yeah, that's true, it's a little unfair Yeah, that's true Yeah, so the library journal quote Her death has given rise to a fresh discussion As to the possibility of infection from contagious diseases through library books

At this point, many weren't gonna think otherwise Because we're basically right in the middle of what some people call the great book scare We're still in the middle of this That never ended Smithsonian Magazine quote This scare was a frantic panic during the late 19th and early 20th centuries That contaminated books, particularly ones lent out from libraries Could spread deadly diseases

I'm sorry Okay, I'm not gonna say that I get it, the library thing But the idea that you're thinking that it's other books outside of the library books is not okay You're just like, as a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, it's not just that If you buy a new book, it could kill you Any book could kill you If you write some stuff on loose leaf and bind it, you've just created a Petri dish, my friend That's a murder book

That's a murder book So, you know, people are freaking out The second an author finishes writing, he dies And the journal tries to calm down people who work in libraries Telling them the bigger issue is from overestimating disease risks from books They're like, look, if we, if people stop using books, it's worse Here's a book that'll, here's a book of facts that'll show, nice try, asshole I ain't touching that, that's full of disease

I'm glad to catch 22 The way you have to find out it's not a thing is by reading books Well, then I got bad news, I already found out You're full of shit, you're trying to kill me Eat it, you eat the book Lick the book if it's so safe And now, of course, librarians worried the book scare would stop people from borrowing books And supporting public libraries, which really is the goal if you don't want public libraries

So, you can see how it works, it's a propaganda thing Yes, it's almost like it's been replicated with numerous things So there, I mean, there are genuinely people who believe, you know, oh, this is a problem But then the other, the guys opposed come in and use it to their advantage Which is what always happens Yeah, it's so weird that that is possible in this country Now the editor of Science Siftings now took aim at the left Horno Science Magazine, by the way

That's so weird, it is Rub my siftings all over my nipples, you like that? No I don't want to subscribe Oh, this beaker, huh? No What would go in there? I just want to read about science, I'm not into all the other whatever is going on here

I just want science, I'm interested in science, you know what I mean? I like science a lot, I like it a lot Look at that, my buttocks on the Bunsen burner No, okay First of all, this is a terrible article, it's a terrible article Those beakers It's barely, I don't even know what kind of article it is, I'm trying to read Things to be insinuative with in the lab

That's not science, that's not science, I want to read about rocks and animal life and What's going on with engines? I want to know all the stuff that's happening I'll tell you what's going on with my engine, it's firing I don't want to subscribe Look, here's a microscope Put my penis on that Look at that

Am I still reading an article because it's not good? Yeah, yeah, this is an article Do you like the way my penis looks? I can't turn the page See, yeah, answer the article Yes Turn the page So yeah, so Science Hifting is now taking aim at the library journal

And proclaimed, quote, the bulk of disease among the educated classes is spread in this way So now you have a science journal saying this is how educated people get diseases Books The library journal and Science Hifting I wish we could do this with Twitter The library journal and Science Hifting is now, they have a back and forth running debate in their pages about Which is just not good anyway The second that you get elevated to there, it's like games kind of over

So the library sifting, sorry, the journal That's like at CNN when they'll be like, here's a man who believes that we are all elephants And a man who doesn't This is not beyond the news That's how the animal climate changed Yeah So the library tells Siftings to prove it They're like, why don't you prove it that books spread disease

And noted that even Siftings own medical experts had said there had never been one proven case of a book infecting anyone You don't need a proven case Siftings comes back hard, they come back hard Yeah, they're ready for the fight The library editors were out of their area of expertise and to keep their opinions in literature or quote the ethics of log rolling And we'll get to that in a second These are just publications that are having a sort of east coast, west coast feud over this publicly Like they're spatting through the pages of their periodical basically

That's right, they're having a debate Before TV, this isn't uncommon for people to have debates No, it's just so petty If you were like, you know, I kind of like it for the science And they're like, sorry, right now we're dealing with some beef And then, okay, let's get to it So they're also saying stick to things you're good at like log rolling So they're kind of just being like your lumberjacks

Well no, there's different types of log rolling There's the one you're thinking of where you run around on a log And then log rolling is also the trading of favors quid pro quo sort of thing So they're saying you're funded by big library You're giving part of the big library Oh, the people who make money from libraries are saying libraries can't kill you I'm a little sick of the library fat cats and their rumors and such So the library editor responds by writing about an experiment that he had run three years before

In which monkeys were given milk What? Sorry, let me just What? We're getting into the science part But it's also amazing to start it with I ran an experiment It's like, okay, so your evidence is your experiment, don't love that as evidence First of all, I love it that it's a I'd like to call myself as a witness in my murder trial

And I'd like to call my 13 monkeys Yeah, okay, so he's like, let me walk you through a little experiment We had a bunch of monkeys and we gave him milk, intrigued Well, I just love the fact that a guy who is essentially a library journalist is like And I also do experiments Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's saying, yeah Okay, so an experiment in which monkeys were given milk that was The milk was served on pieces of books touched by infected people

Okay, okay, okay So the man clearly had no input from anyone Decided that the best way to prove that it was not possible was he put milk in books Right Well, have you know that I put milk in books and gave it to monkeys Infected books, right? You buy monkeys first, right? Of course, the first You got to know how much your monkey budget is

That's right, you get however monkeys can afford Then you get as much milk as you can afford, right? Right And then you go to the hospital, you have infected people touch your books And they go, we can't give you these You go, no, no, no, I want these I have a bunch of monkeys who are going to try to drink milk out of them And they go, oh, we didn't know you were a man of science

Here you go, doctor But then you serve the monkey's milk on the page, right? On the book Yeah, yeah I don't know how that works if you just poured it on there Or if you put it in a glass on there Look, I'll be honest, I've had a bunch of milk out of books It pulls, it'll pull

Okay, so it pulls Yeah, if you hold it right, it pulls I always forget their cups also Yeah, a lot of people feel like you can't drink out of books I eat cereal out of a lot of books Yeah, okay, that's fair Yeah, I'm just not a more of a magazine guy, you know Yeah

I eat eggs I have egg burrito out of a magazine I like to eat eggs out of magazines But I'd rather have some cereal in a book Sure So at the end of this experiment No monkeys got sick, so Boom, there's no issue with books and infections

No Conclusive Conclusive I would be surprised if there was even a thing you... Is there a rebuttal possible? Well, he wasn't done The case feels... Oh, okay

Because after the library journal said that's... That was our experiment He then said, look, I will admit That if a reader licks his fingers and touches the book Well, then that's infection If a reader... If a reader is licking his fingers while turning pages That is how you can get infected

I'll cop to this So they make that concession I'll cop to this They make that concession The only way it's possible is if you've got a finger liquor Uh, so... This is... Or if, say, this person's drinking milk out of it

Which is not uncommon Everybody does it We all drink milk from books Excuse me I'm... Yes I'm saloon weekly And we just wanted to say

You can't get infections out of saloons Because we drank monkeys Okay It's probably going to take us a while to process what you're saying But that's helpful that you're here Yeah And it shows that an appreciation for science that you spoke up But we're still sort of...

You said you ate the monkeys? Is that what it was? You drank them You drank them Okay You drank the monkeys Great Okay, yeah

So good to know We will definitely put that in the notes We'll circle back on that in a little bit Let us figure out this part first And then we'd really love to figure out what's going on with you And that sort of stuff Saloons are fine We drank the monkeys

Yeah, that's the part That's the part for a lot of us We're all like, okay All right, thank you for coming I know it's a meeting So I'm probably good on the shot right now So... No shot

Yeah I mean, put a little in the book There you go There we go All right, thank you Let's get this part started Very bony Was that Nancy Drew?

What do we got there? These are all Nancy Drews I should point out this is a Nancy Drew library Yeah, yeah So... So the licking fingers thing came about Because there had been a study I believe in Germany showing

Dirty book pages Dirty book pages rubbed With wet fingers yielded microbes When a wet finger rubs a dirty book page You have what's known as smallpox Yeah, so slow it down Yeah So the key is to not lick your fingers when you're reading

You should separate the activities If you want to read, you'll read If you want to sit in a room and lick your fingers You sit in a room and lick your fingers But you're not would do both You shall not, no, it's not both Yes, all right You're kind of like a hype man, what are you?

I am Kind of just like... Okay, yeah So yeah, we're saying basically If you want to lick your fingers, lick your fingers If you want to read a book, read a book Yeah, I don't need you to say that If you want to read a book, read a book

What I want you to do is Lick your fingers and read a book Lick away Okay, don't say lick away I have t-shirts Yeah, but it's confusing I have hats Lick away

This guy is just here for merch This guy, do not listen to this guy I got also merch, I got capes You got what? Capes What was the first one? What was the first one? T-shirts, hats, capes

Okay They all say, lick away It's not helpful It should say, lick away, we're not reading Be a cozy Okay, so it's not hats A leader, Hosen? Well, very unbranded

That's right, that's all to be fair Actually, these are called reader, Hosen So, we're just idiots You're still in character Oh, shit, yeah Right, so that's a study that people are a little bit freaked out by that But either way, the library journal is upset

because a bunch of... He considers the science siftings to be just like half-scientist tools and they're overhyping the dangers and that is being used by public library opponents to stop expansion of libraries So he's like, this is an actual bullshit scientific outlet that is fucking us

And again, the stopping of the expansion of libraries the point is that you don't want too many behemoth cities You just don't want the masses reading That's it, you just don't want people to get smarter You go to a library and you're going to read fucking politics and everything else They don't want that

A new study out of France then caused a big stir Researchers there soaked books in bouillon after being used in hospital wards Okay, so, look, the Germans, they have their thing Okay, but we, I figured it out We're making book stew, okay?

Is that a jacket? To find out, you know, like, what did they... You know, how did they... It's here, how do you say it? It's like we're making... bouillon, you know what I mean? You know, it's very good We take a goulash with books, it's a bouclash

That's right, exactly So, please, tonight, okay? Enjoy your meal but understand that you at some point be served a boux stew, okay? I love the boux stew! So, there you go, hope everyone's... Gosh, sometimes it's like

where the science end and I begin So, that's not the end of it So, they soaked the books in bouillon after they had been in infected hospital wards and then they were added to cultures and injected into animals So, I assume they took the bouillon So, they made...

Okay, I mean, it makes no sense, obviously, but sure Strep, pneumonia, diphtheria were transmitted TB and typhoid were not When you injected them, they would get those diseases from the books Yeah, but was it from the books? So, this is not going to help the hysteria From the hospital, like you're taking it from the hospital

Well, yes, it's from the fucking hospital It's clear, I mean, you could do that with, you know, gloves Yeah, this is also the year they're probably washing their hands in fucking pneumonia before they even start in pneumonia caucus or whatever it is Alright, alright, don't sneeze into it

Elbow gets it on your hands, surgeries upon us So, the French researchers recommended disinfecting books with formaldehyde We're like, no, that would then ruin the books That's totally pointless Well, then what we need to do is figure out a way to inject more books into these guinea pigs Uh-uh! That's my guy

So, a University of Pennsylvania doctor came up with a process of disinfecting books that took 15 minutes and didn't damage them Meanwhile, the library journal was done with all this shit and just called for all books barred by infected readers to be destroyed So, the library journal just throws up his fucking arms

He's like, I can't fucking take this shit anymore No more reading? Just burn the fucking books when you're done with them So, they are just saying that books are pamphlets Well, they're saying if an infected person biles it, then burn it But that's a nu- Okay, I mean, again, you-

Okay, whatever, I'm not even going to get into the fact that there's probably a time when you are infected and you're not showing symptoms, but whatever Yeah, that's not where I would get rid of that They're just saying if a sick person- You need to have two libraries One for the ill and one for the reds Yeah, I agree with that

You need to have the book of infirmed and then the regular ones So, libraries just don't know what to do Doctors keep saying books could transmit but it's not probable So, could other stuff- It's not the book That only makes people more scared, not less

It starts to look like destroying books It's the only way to stop the fear and keep the public library movement alive But it's very hard It's a hard knock on your business model Yeah, it's very expensive Yes In London, books from infected houses

are being taken straight to the public health authorities who destroy them Which is very easy to do in London Yeah, it's all right, put them in the pile then, eh? Yes, we're done with them When is burning books not been a good look? So, it's very easy to do in England because the Infectious Disease Notification Act of 1889

gave authorities the power to gather information on infection cases and libraries and health authorities could work together very smoothly Loaning a book to someone while infected would get you a £5 fine So, they've got a system that is nationwide and

working smoothly And it's basically, don't give books to sick people Right In the early 1890s in the US there was no national effort to deal with health problems Like there was in the UK it was up to states and local leaders

and states usually left it up to towns and counties And so that meant I'm glad we went through this and were like we're good, this is the good system And so that meant local authorities had to deal with people who didn't give a shit or corrupt political organizations that didn't want to give up any power

or profit It makes progress seem pretty improbable And we've talked about this in New York City I don't remember the name of the episode Ryan Chang's on the episode It's about the filthy New York situation So after years of just being completely neglected by the local authorities

the state legislature passed a public health act in 1875 But again, that's just at the state level It's not national In Massachusetts, the western Massachusetts library club now recommended books exposed to scarlet fever, diphtheria,

smallpox and TB should quote, be burned and not return to the library I feel like they didn't have to say the not return to the library part because the burn part That would be burned and then brought back as ashes And if you don't bring it back in time

you will be fine In January 1900 during an outbreak of scarlet fever Scranton, Pennsylvania stopped public lending until then libraries had always voluntarily gone along with it and this was the first time libraries

were ordered to by authorities And on top of that, the outbreak wasn't even that bad So people were like, what's going on? So what was happening in Scranton was city officials had done a shitty job

and were taking heat for their response to the outbreak and it had come just after a diphtheria outbreak so it's like two outbreaks in a row and people are furious so they tried to shift the blame to library books So it would be

akin to Cuomo or DeSantis when they have these spikes simply attacking and again this now that I'm saying it sounds very possible they start just blaming libraries and books for causing that

and people are going, that is true they were reading books and then that's it it's good to go and everything else every other part of society is pretty much fine they've chosen to basically live with it and the only thing you can do

to stop these outbreaks is to just stop giving people books and that's it and that'll stop it so it's really it's really good it's a really good one it's nuanced in ways that are just

I don't know so it's Granton they shut down lending for three weeks and all return books were disinfected with vapor for 36 hours so they have a book lockdown book lockdown, 100% book lockdown they have book lockdowns

now this vapor method is the method of choice for a few years but people are always seeking to advance the science of book disinfecting in Paris in 1907 researchers pushed libraries to place washing bowls

at the doorways to read poems and to have quote sterilizable moisteners for people who couldn't stop licking their fingers to turn pages they had sterilized moisteners so like a sponge

finger yes if you sometimes at like registers you'll see cashiers like they have little sponges so that they can like get a little more friction on the dollar one that probably has I don't know formaldehyde or some fucking shit in it

and these are airborne right um yeah I mean tv is definitely airborne so the whole so you're going into like a private room to read the only thing they're doing is washing their hands but people are around other people

breathing in their air and let's talk about washing their hands in what it's a bowl at the entrance to a room so everyone's just dipping their hand in the bowl yes yes I'm sure I mean they know what they're using to sterilize but I can't

it's irrelevant honestly it doesn't matter what it is it could be antibacterial stuff it wouldn't really matter if you keep germing up the thing with the same but they weren't they were probably yeah I mean it was probably just like water will be fine you're probably making more

people sick with your wash bowl yeah that's what I would think also glad they recommend a glass plate should be placed over pages while reading so you couldn't cough and sneeze and infect the book I mean that does in their framing it does make

sense to do that but again there is a human being fully exposed to everything that is around the book yeah I mean yeah so if you're talking about carriers it's like okay so in 1908 the American Journal of Public Hygiene

published an article stating formaldehyde was not as good as steaming so steaming books which of course ruins books and also does nothing I mean it's basically you're like pour water on them

but in this form here you go steam them boy I've never seen a creaseless book hey it's really wet and unreadable now well you ain't gonna die from that you're just sitting in the sauna and at five the librarian comes in and throws a bunch of books in

it really is imagine sitting in the sauna reading for a couple hours what your book would look like you'd be like probably not I mean a lot of these are stuck together now so three years later our research came up with another advancement years this is going on for years Carbolic acid in gasoline

quote the books are immersed for 20 minutes removed and placed before an electric fan for two minutes and then set on end for 24 to 48 hours hey what if we just walk hahahaha hahahaha

anyone uh like our hands yeah the whole thing just watch right no that's that don't that don't make no sense no what we're talking yeah sorry is uh it's a situation where the book

is the killer your hands are fine it's not your hands it's a problem it's the book well well I was gonna say remove our hands but I guess no I see I tried that with monkeys and I cut off all their hands and it didn't make a difference sure

man I swear it's like yeah there's no bigger loser in this than books and monkeys honestly they've really taken it on the chin I drink like four monkeys a day at this point because I'm doing so much research again we're really not looking to answer that question so

now gas soaked books turned out better than steamed books because obviously steam is bad there's certain times in this podcast where it's like uh it would be good to do like the hangover opening where it's just like how did we get here

now books now books that were soaked in gas were better than the ones that were just steamed for disease okay okay sure okay out of context what the hell in context makes total sense now

yeah because I thought what you said was crazy but now that I heard not heard it back with the background well now that I know we're putting gas on books I'm listening if you didn't like the smell of gasoline smelling books oh then

small percentage of society I'm sure the researchers said cover it with the smell of peppermint winter greener cinnamon so gas there's nothing imagine a gas a gas smelling gas or gum when they try to cover it up with cinnamon

yep well what I would do honestly is I would just gas the book and then peppermint it up yeah so just I'm kind of a no I like to be extra great I'm very cautious now Harvard Medical School tried to replicate this gas soaked book but they couldn't do it

so they they you mean they were like standing there and they're like hey this is fucking stupid what are we doing they recommended just moist hot air so Steve thank god for Harvard just weighing in properly um so it was anyone like this all is

crazy yes okay so the great fear library books is starting to fade because it's been going on for so long no one's actually getting sick from library books so people are realizing this we're like 20 20 years in now

sure and and no 30 30 years in 30 years in it's a while it's been a while that people are thinking that you're sure I mean that this day and age a lifetime to so yeah I mean there's not a higher rate of infection amongst librarians which you would think you'd see if

books were the issue people going to the library and some people are asking well why are we so focused on library books when everyone is walking around with cash that we had each other and nobody seems to care about that that's burn your money

well the answer of course is is that there are people are trying to propagate this to end public libraries so yes libraries are still disinfecting though even though the fear is going away but just no one's

really actually worried about it now it's okay and then in sorry and then in 1910 it's amazing the library is like alright well we finally got a system what we're doing is every time a book comes back we're using some vapor so we're steaming the hell out of it then we're gassing the books

for a while then we're putting milk in it we're having chimpanzees drink out of it and then we're sending them aside for 30 days and then it's your turn it costs a lot of money and god we don't have it but we're ready and then society's like oh we don't believe in that anymore we moved on

it's the fault of money now okay so as a first day librarian here is your kit here is the books here are some there's some gloves and then this is a monkey

and here is your gasoline a can of gasoline here is your will the monkey try to drink the gas shouldn't shouldn't that really usually doesn't happen very often here's milk here is oh that's already the gasoline and then formaldehyde and then

your steamer I think that's it and these all come home with me? yes you gotta bring them back and forth every day and every day I'm giving the monkey milk from the book yeah every day I would dip the

we're now dipping the book in milk and gasoline and then we give it to the monkey should we not have the monkey drinking the gas just sort of thinking just spitballing here because I feel like that could be bad sorry are you from Costa Rica do you know are you like a monkey person did you grow up with monkeys

okay I can see that I've hit soft spots so I'll just well it's not so much it's like you know your probationary probationary librarian I'm asking every question are you asking questions or are you just trying to flip over the table and do everything you want to do

I'm so sorry the last thing I want to do is be the person who's trying to poke holes in any of it it all makes total sense to me I don't know how many capuchins am I supposed to go through but I'm fine you should be drinking one capuchin a day

okay the monkey wait a minute wait a minute our monkeys are soluble okay so once the monkey is done with it's testing every day then I'll just figure out a way to

steam it until it's liquid okay so great that's helpful because you give me a steamer great okay no more questions so great yeah of course I'm meticulous that's just my nature so great steam it, gas it, milk and milk monkey drinks both then I just

steam the monkey, drink the monkey, come back next day. Yeah you got it you went to library school you know what you're doing yeah I just again I'm very very I love to know everything I love the minutiae I love the nuts and bolts of it great of course

my monkey's already done so so 1910 William R. Renwick he works in the Department of Public Documents in the Philadelphia Public Library and he writes an article in the American Journal

of Pharmacy because of course if you work in a document area of the library you're going to write an article for a pharmacy journal for sure for sure he named the cases of people infected by books which included a case of smallpox there was a fatal

blood poisoning that occurred when a man was infected by touching mold on a book and then touching an open cut on his face and this guy has bigger problems than books but first of all he's got a moldy book I mean honestly

like I've had some books that I've been meaning to read for a while they don't mold and then he's like whoop oh god all that mold on my finger oh this sore itches yeah oh that'll be fine I don't blame the book I blame the man honey look at this I can put my finger

right into my hole god it goes so far in there let me see if I can get my hand in there oh my god I got my whole fist in there hold on I'm going to dip my finger in this book oh that's great hey some of the kids didn't want to go outside to the outhouse can they just make bathroom

in that great that's who we are there's nothing to worry about in the book uh so yeah he says that happens dad's dad we're pretty sure it's a book he also says there are several instances

of gonorrhea being passed by book for sure look we've all fucked books okay this one I believe because some dude gives his lady gonorrhea and then he's like it was a fucking book I didn't

no it wasn't weird how are you no it was the book I can't be anything else you don't even like books you don't even like books you got gonorrhea from a book you can get it this way yes ask him ask his wife they know what happened

I'm sorry I got so mad at you they tested this on monkeys they all got gonorrhea every monkey oh I believe me I've read the monkey stuff well carefully read it I read it in a glass case obviously it was a room of vapors and gas that's why I didn't have a glass case I just read the book so I got

I probably have chlamydia too baby you gotta be careful I know look I love you you got gonorrhea by reading that I know I know oh my gosh come here come here come here come here nestle your head betwixt my bosoms you will be okay okay the lesson here

is to not try to read any longer yep I agree with you this is what happens I agree I made a mistake now as far as I knew gonorrhea was pretty much sexually transmitted but it seems like now we've got a new animal I stepped outside my comfort zone and I did not belong there you should

stay in your lane you stay right here betwixt my bosom if I stay in my lane I won't get monkey gonorrhea that's right so it was to be clear you have the gonorrhea from the monkey I think that they spread it all over the books because I saw them fucking up on the shelves and they were just fucking a lot of books

oh gosh yeah that's where they get it it's actually a cool library a lot of people think that's where gonorrhea came from was the shelf yes top shelf so anywho sorry I doubted you maybe we should have a little makeup yep

I don't think this goes away by the way oh I don't feel good either it's these books these books have killed us so Reddick also said you could get everyone was getting severe colds

from book dust and he warned people they could get cancer if a previous reader had a malignant cancer and coughed it all over the pages so that's how cancer is spread move ahead friend I've found no problems with the medical science you're espousing

and finally he said he had 40 guinea pigs and he inoculated them with dirty book paper and they all died a man of science I would never question good stuff this man has merely injected books into the veins of guinea pigs

and for some reason they've all passed on I wonder what they were all sick with at the same time I wonder indeed well I did what I could I injected words straight into the guinea pigs and they've all perished for some reason of course

in reality there were no outbreaks of any kind just the libraries he's just fucking making it up but then a new fear wave comes right when it was fucking all ebbing guinea pigs the library general reported a scarlet fever outbreak occurred in

Val sure in 1910 with two public libraries and school children and a university it was noted there were a lot of books moving around the town as fast as any suspicious

book was discovered it was taken from the shelves and put into a storeroom and kept there so they're just locking down the books that were near infected people they're like okay books into the store they have taken the book precautions it's pretty clear the libraries

have nothing to do with the spread quote the books were not an important factor in the spread of disease and they were placed back on the shelves without having been fumigated and again put in circulation and no scarlet fever developed so they took a bit of a chance here

and they took the books from infected people who've been in there for months and the they put them back on the shelves the little epidemic is over and they put them back on the shelves and it doesn't rise up again so they're like huh what about that

well I don't know have you tried putting the books in guinea pigs so look so people even with what's his name's article renex article people are still not that concerned about

books infecting them the new york public library is still getting lists of infected people in 1914 who they told not to return books so it's still happening because it's in place they're not going to get rid of it

and those books are still being destroyed by the board of health if a book comes back does somehow make its way back to the library they throw it in the furnace it's a bit like tsa it's a bit like tsa it's a bit tsa

completely over corrected and then as opposed to swallowing our pride and agreeing that potentially we could make this just a little less cumbersome we're sticking to our guns freedom and then of course there's always a dude that comes along in 1914 a state

assemblyman from brooklyn introduced a bill to disinfect every single book returned to a library of course the library, the director of public libraries was like oh if we do that there won't be libraries I'm just going to open this window and take a step out on the ledge for a moment

while you all debate that so he reached out to the director of the Bureau of Infectious Diseases for help and that guy said the assemblyman's plan is totally unnecessary it's ineffective and it will harm actual books and the bill is dismissed

so that's kind of the last time there was any sort of big to do in 1916 doctors were constantly saying books weren't going to infect you and in 1920 the advisory committee of

national tuberculosis association said libraries are not an issue but still they still there was still research for a couple of decades but then you know after a while it was just gone they stopped disinfecting books and they realized books don't actually do anything

but what is true is that the entire great book scare was that opponents of public of the public library system did what they could to stoke the fears because they knew that would stop the libraries you have to wonder if William Renwick

was one of those guys because in 1910 he was making the rounds telling reporters there were a bunch of insects in books he said termites increased by 80,000 a day and were ready to populate the Carnegie library when it opened

what? it's like Fantasia but with little little termites quote they become infatuated with a book and devour it cover to cover so and prove me wrong

prove me wrong well there's no book to fight against he also explained the term bookworm was based on actual worms and other bugs that lived in eight books bookworm is a term that describes the worm that lives inside the book not a person who loves the book

now bookworms are very bad and you get a lot of them if you haven't seen it means they're doing their job right they're invisible to human eyes I put a bunch of worms in my guinea pigs they again died oh alright yep that settles that

good talk by the way does anyone have a plot of land I can start burying some of these things in my experiments have been quite the guinea pig genocide no we're good I'm just running out of places to bury the bodies how many have you

nevermind I don't no no I'd like to answer the question is how many have I killed? yeah with my experiments I've killed over 940,000 guinea pigs but

no there's no but I have found a way to combine a guinea pig and a monkey that's right we've made guinea monkeys so Radek said quote scientifically classified bookworms compromise

moths, roaches, slugs and other four and six footed insects so he's clearly just making shit up oh I don't know about that and he told the Chicago press quote insects will devour in wait

insects that devour books become educated and change in character according to the books they eat so he's telling people that he is telling people that the character of the insect is influenced by the book it eats yeah the book the

insects become smart he's like for instance I've got an evangelical snail here he ate the bible we are creating smart bugs it must be stopped let me introduce you to the great mothspeak the fanciest moth

thinks he's so great so he just kind of disappeared I found his name like a few years later he was like a few years later he's trying to become a warden up in Maine so he clearly

whatever he was doing here it failed miserably and he moved on but he would like show up places and be like I have a speech to make like he was the adventures of huckleberry tick so look it didn't work libraries made it and you know for now

not private but I will assume they will be destroyed relatively soon like every other public thing that we have no pretty soon it'll be yeah it'll just become the the Pfizer book tour yeah the sources for this

episode the american library association conference the library journal books as disease carriers by Gerald Greenberg and when the public feared that library books could spread deadly diseases in Smithsonian magazine by Joseph Hayes

so there you go not a lot has changed no it really is amazing that not a lot has changed I just wanted to look up more books to just do more book jokes you know it what is terrible

is that you know there's really no reconciling those things there's no like nobody ever seems to really pay a price for the bullshit and I think that is a big problem in this case it

just went away right it just fades away and you know really we should really really want to figure out why did that happen who's behind it and punish the people who do it because all it does

is make it something that people want to replicate versus you know you don't even if we were to you know fight them and put them in jail for whatever I still don't think that it would really change too much

but I even think about like you know the way that we watch our government now it's just it's very easy to see the problems I mean you don't even need to know much to know the problems the problems are it's fairly straightforward we have people

from the two-party system who are influenced by money and that's it they're not the whole system is supposed to be for your best interest it is not and yet we seem incapable of focusing on the problem instead we just fight over the symptoms

and you really are just never going to to accomplish or change anything if we don't ever take anyone to task we're talking about books right? yeah for sure

but it is it's the same the hysteria the way that you can get people frothed up over caravans coming to the border and then that's not a thing anymore well look the other thing is the gilded age is what we're talking about right so the gilded age

is like today where the power is concentrated amongst a few rich people who also own a lot of the press and they're really good at freaking people out and stoking fear about shit they just are

but here's what I don't understand you could be stoking fear in ways that people should be afraid but we don't stoke those fears and I guess it does just go against your influence your influenced by oil companies

or your influenced by banks but you could scare the fuck out of Americans with climate change stopping climate change stops profits so why would they do that yes so but again you would imagine

that in a world of American ingenuity that somebody would be able to turn a buck on fixing the climate I mean we're getting there that will happen you know whatever it looks like it will happen with Mark Cuban fucking being

like I'm gonna lower drug crisis myself that was pretty hilarious and great I hope it works it's just it's terrible but it's also beneficial so you're like well look we don't want to be saved by billionaires

we actually want to take their money and save ourselves like that's how you get out of this but billionaires coming up with different ways to make other billionaires not make money then it's like being a little tiny person on a planet of colossuses

and they're fighting and you're like I hope the one I like wins like it's just well again I mean it's like we're on a ship and none of us are allowed in the captain's room and you just have to believe that we're charting the best course but I don't know how frustrating because it's like

you could go through every president we've had in my lifetime and you could be like they should go to jail for this they should go to jail for this everyone is a criminal and it never, it doesn't matter it's irrelevant instead of fixing

the problems of our past we would rather believe someone's gonna solve it in the future and that's just not how it's working I don't even know if anyone thinks they're gonna solve it I just think that everyone just moves on and doesn't think about it regardless

there's no progress people should be fed up with no progress I don't know if I've talked about this but I recently lost my Writer's Guild health insurance and I had to go on the market and shop for health insurance if you

which is a fun thing to say anyway I have to go shopping for my health on Instagram knowing that Australians and people would lose their fucking minds it's like buying a product and

they were aghast at how disgusting it was and when I was putting up screenshots of high middle health insurance it's we've been doing it so long now I haven't I haven't had to buy health insurance in 12 years

so to me I was like woah how did we I knew it was bad how did we get here how is the country still standing because if you think that Obamacare is good

go try it the number of plans that have a deductible of 8,000 meaning you're paying hundreds of dollars a month sometimes a thousand have to meet

an $8,000 a year limit before your health insurance kicks in means that you don't have health insurance well it means that again if you could if you could remove

it really should that's why we need to have a system where everybody gets the same people in our government they should have this thing came out there's an amazing twitter called Unusual Wales which basically

is right on top of all the stock stuff who's making the most tracks all that stuff so Dan Crenshaw is the member of congress who has made the most money in congress as of late and so he's on a podcast

and they're basically saying how do you defend this and what he's saying is look you can remove the ability for congress people to trade and buy stocks sure but you have to understand that these are people who need to have

their homes inspected they need to have two locations they need to live in their district and then they also need to have a DC location and all that stuff and to me I'm just hearing that and I'm going okay well why don't we have the congressional apartment building and we know where it is

and we know what it looks like okay we will as taxpayers pay for that now quit fucking running our country like it's your stock portfolios plan and fuck off you don't need that much money you know this whole idea

that these people they have the elite healthcare they have jobs they get paid almost $200,000 a year on top of that they're allowed to basically decide what they want to do based on policy that they're forming how they're going to make money off it how do you think

that it's ever going to fucking change if why these people are basically he's saying the quiet part out loud he's saying look you need to incentivize these public servants by allowing us to make money or you got to figure out another way for us to

it's like we have lost the plot so much that you know they just should not be allowed to profit on this level that it's it's the world and to what you're saying about health care give them Cobra give them Obamacare

see how fucking fast everything changes yeah I mean it's funny if I wanted to continue my family's insurance using cobra it would have been $2,678 a month by the way maybe don't name your

best health care option as the most poisonous fucking snake in nature there's an idea how's marketing going they don't care you know the American health care system is exactly how the mafia

would run health care it is a giant slice off the top in which you don't give anybody anything at the end anyway it is completely criminal and

like everything else in this country I don't know how this country is still standing because we're past pitchforks like people are suffering because of just health care alone at such a level that I don't know how this country is

functioning I don't either I mean we you never play Jenga and you get to the point where it's just like it's shaking it's about to topple over and then someone pulls a piece out of it and puts it on top and you're like what the actual fuck is happening right now that is our society

it is the wobbling Jenga where you're like I don't know where to pull another block from and how to get it on top there's no more blocks to take out it turns out that if you say in this Supreme Court didn't even rule it some guy just wrote it in the margins

if you say corporates are people then it turns out that everything in your society is completely 100% corrupted and then you have the Jenga situation you're talking about in which you look at everything and you go oh so colleges are now just

funded by a full football stadium it's your turn to pull a block so we have school loans in which people pay them off for 10 years and know twice as much as when they started

so I would recommend taking that block from the middle just blow on some of the blocks and see if you can sneak it out of there I mean like it's just you go through it and all and you're just like wow this is the problems I don't think people

people certainly in other countries don't I was thinking about this the other day we actually don't have a vocabulary to describe what this is the the Farsi language

is I was told this by someone who spoke Farsi in English it's a language that paints pictures with the words like so they're using words like we do but they're painting

more of a graphic picture while they speak so it's a more it's a deeper language in a way doesn't have the capacity to explain with words what is

happening in America it is fuck I'm 100% serious they're just there is not a language for this it's almost better that way it's almost better but like you like if you sat

someone from Costa Rica in front of me and I try to explain what this is it's actually not possible I can't explain to people

how crazy weird corrupt criminal dude you can't explain it to me no I can't I can't explain it to anybody and I know what I feel it I feel it in my being I know

part of the problem is that it's so overwhelming it's so fucked in every way that it is it's like I don't know where to start I mean regardless it's you know it's nothing short of total revolution and even then we're behind schedule

that's also like what does that look like I don't even know what that looks like anymore it's too big of a country it's too many people it's too spread out we're too we just want different things in different places and so I don't know you know people talk about that

and I don't know what that looks like well I don't either but I mean at minimum I just want to not let them have success and I'm at the point where I'll take that

you know what I mean like I'll jump off the building as long as I can hold one of them yeah you know it's become that petty and simple but it is just it's just totally absurd

well you're a fucking bummer we sign bears