The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 533 - NY Cop Johnny Broderick

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine NY Cop Johnny Broderick  Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch   Freshly.com/DOLLOP

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Gareth. Yep somehow always seems to be my mess up. It's weird. Strange how much I muck it up. I know. January 16th 1896. Damn it. I was doing the one I guessed the last time 1896. Okay. You have our Lord Jesus Christ. What a guy. The best guy. Great guy. Born in 1896 was John Broderick. He was born on 25th Street in the Gas House District of Manhattan. This is where I say Dave what is that? And you go they had a bunch of gas tanks. Why is there a bunch of gas tanks? You got me heating and stuff like that. That's correct. Sometimes they would leak. There was also the Gas House gang that lived there. They were big on arm robbery and

extortion. They ran brothels. So it's not a great area right to grow up in. There's a cop famous cop there Alexander Williams. Right. He was known for brutal force and just beating beat downs. Right. You've heard all this. Unlike the police today. Right. His nickname was clubber. Clubber. Which again. Clubber. Yeah. How are you doing clubber? Just beating guys up. It is nice that you know you were labeled as violent back. Yeah. As opposed to now when they're like he's a good guy. Yeah. No it's totally up. Back then they would they would label you violent and everyone would be like I love this copy. This is shooting McDonald.

Yeah. And then the people would be like good. It keeps us safe. He shoots everybody. Right. Now it's like no Frank didn't mean to kill four four or five people over six years. He yelled stop resisting before he shot the senior citizen. That's right. Clubber. Clubber Williams are getting fights every day. And this is where Johnny's raised. Right. So this is he's coming up in it. So I'm already thinking we're either going he is a man of crime or a man of law. And I what if he's a gas man. Well listen we've all been there. Okay. I'm having fun. I'm enjoying myself. His parents man were Margaret and

Michael. So when Johnny was 12 his dad dies and Johnny's going to religious school. He has to quit and start driving a truck that delivered bricks for the family to help the family. He's now the man of the family. Right. Yeah. This is 12 year old truck driver. I feel like if you were to be like in a script like he drove a brick truck they'd be like come up with something. Yes. Something that's not. Hey guys you need more bricks. Everyone did. There's so much building going on. We need more bricks. We can't get them fast enough. He goes a bunch of bricks. Thanks Johnny. Well after that he started driving a coal truck. I mean these

are really just like this is the basics. This is just like you know you're just kind of dissolving to the next step. Then he moved to coal coal. When World War One broke out he joined the Navy and while he was in the service he fought his only known boxing match which he got knocked out in the first round. I was going to say I didn't think he would win. Really. First round. First round. It's tough. Yeah. That's really that's a sign. That's not good. So after the war Johnny used his connections that he had made driving the coal trucks to get a job with the Teamsters. Okay. Yeah. Okay. The guy on the coal truck company is

connected. Okay. So it didn't take Lonnie Lonnie. It didn't take long for Johnny to come to the attention of AFL leader Samuel Gompers. We've talked about Gompers. Yeah. Gompers is a union leader but also yeah underbiting. He's not good. I think he said underbiting. Which would make sense because Gompers does sound like a weird mouth. He does sound like it. I got the Gompers. He would undermine the socialists and shit like that. Like he would fuck. Yeah. Not. We don't like him. Nope. He had gained the reputation as a shit kicker. So now Johnny is known as a shit kicker. He was like a tough guy for the Teamsters. He's

a clubber. He's a clubber. Right. Okay. So Gompers has Johnny as his personal bodyguard. Okay. So if that is but this guy got knocked out in the first round of boxing match. Yeah. And so let's get him on ring Dave. Hello. And so and but he still is now thought of as good enough to be the head of security. I'm gonna have to turn that off because Finn's baseball scores are about to start coming. Yeah. I think you don't need to tell us. Turn it off. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's just the whole big it's weird how he gets there. But he he I see on your resume you've boxed. Oh yeah. Oh

yeah. Really. How was that. I loved it. But I stopped. You know. Could I yeah. Just the other guys were just so gassed. I would I would say that street fighting and boxing are very different and he's a very good street fighter but not a very good boxing fighter. Sure. I'm mainly the groin worker. I really worked the groin. I gouge. I pull. I stab. So there's there's there's 10 rounds. Now can I bite testicles. You can't stab as well with a big round glove on. So John is only five ten and a hundred disqualified because I ripped the guy's nuts off my mouth. What the hell's going on here. It's fighting. So he's five ten and 170 pounds. So back

then is that a giant. Yeah. Back then back then he's kind of me is now back then I think it's big. That is. Yeah. And I was like a giant man. Yeah. You're huge. I was like a yeah. Yeah. Well why don't you quit looking at me like that you little pipsqueak. What the fuck is going on right now. Beat your ass. Giant in 1891. Yeah. But not now. Shut up. Okay. I don't think you know anything works. I'm really you are. But he gets tired of the job. The bodyguard job and applies to be a New York City fireman. Okay. Which he does for about eight months and then he said he found it quote boring and he quit. Wow. And applied to be a cop. Oh

here we go. I called it. Yeah. So how old are we. We're probably. He's. He's 23. Okay. So he joins the force in January of 1923. And the very first thing he did on his first shift was rescue two kids by breaking into a burning tenement building. But that's the fireman job. He was like finally I can handle some fires. They were like you were just no Jesus. In just three months he was promoted from beat cop to detective third grade. This is unheard of third grade. There's there's he's going to sit in class today. There's the way detectives work. There's detective first grade detective second grade and detective third grade is the lowest. It's dumb. Yeah. I'm almost. Just call him a C.

You're a C. Yeah. Top. So super unheard of to move that fast. A month later in May 1925 he's promoted again to detective second grade. Someone took the peppermints. Whatever people said about how he got there. It doesn't matter now he's there and he enjoyed and was quickly known for using his fists. Okay. So he's a clubber. He's a clubber. He's a beater. And the media liked writing about him beating people up. You know it's it's very I won't go too far down this but it is very much like you know the connection to cops and our problems today where propaganda. Yeah. Where you see the you enjoy the entertainment of policing. You write sort of your fan based articles or your your documentary about it and that

makes people be like yeah they're here to you know because it's sort of like blurs the line between actual public service and just kind of totally infringing on people's rights for entertainment. Right. So yes the media like media likes writing about him and Johnny doesn't like to use a gun up a tongue. He likes to use his fists. I would be more OK with that. We should get back to that a little bit. The fisting. Well don't call it that. Yeah. You fist again. No no no no no we're not going to put your foot you put your fist in it and you suck them. This is fisting broad. How am I. You're not going to like what's about to happen. Get the hell away from me. It would take seconds for him to

beat a man senseless and getting broad rick to became a verb. Wow. Meaning being taken out by one punch. Wow. It's weird to have a good boxing career. I know right. I mean it's still very violent so I'm not pro it. But I just think it was too too many rules too many you know restrictions. Right. Yeah. Or he just got lucky the guy hit him lucky and knocked him out. Saloons of criminals would empty out when they heard Johnny was coming. Jack Dempsey famous boxer said he wouldn't fight Johnny for a million dollars quote he's the only man I wouldn't want to meet in a fight outside the ring and its rules. Well yeah. Okay. That's that's fair though. Yeah. He's so he's dirty. Yeah probably

very yeah. Johnny and another cop were hired to be Dempsey's personal bodyguards for two weeks leading up to his championship bout with Jean Tooney. Okay. Dempsey lost in ten rounds and after another cop the police chief of Atlantic City who had also been hired by Dempsey's camp claimed Dempsey had been drugged by someone doping the cream he put in his coffee. Wow. They doped the cream. Well that's what he said and Johnny called the claim quote ridiculous bunk. Okay. So it was maybe just standard cream and then the police chief claimed that he had also been doped. I also used the cream. No I got tired after I had the coffee so what's that. I only made it to the 10th round too. Johnny quote never did he hint

that anything was wrong with the eats. Sure. Feels like maybe their time has given us a bit of a language barrier. Well maybe we should bring back the eats. And the eats are the creams. Food. Food. Oh. The eats. He also. Okay. There's two issues I'm going to take care of. One is that he's talking about the eats. I'm flagging a little bit for the food. Why are you flagging calling cream food. Yeah. Yeah. I mean yeah. It's just a little strange to be like these are eats. Well no it's a liquid Johnny. Yeah you eat it. Well no it's put something you put in your coffee. Your coffee's also a food. Look at all these eats. No that's just an area of tea and coffee. They're all eats. And you put your mouth that goes in your stomach as it eats. Don't

argue with him. You better not tell me that's not an eats. Not Johnny it's not it's eats. Johnny it's eats. Don't punch me again. I'm your best friend. What. That's quite a. You don't know I never said that. The one I want to be. We just hung out a couple times. Let's be best friends. I'm not looking for a better. I have a best friend. I started saying. It's out downtown. I started saying the eats. It's endearing. Is cream of food. Yeah. I'll think about it. He also said the only poison Dempsey got was in the form of a Tony right hook to the head. Tony Tony Tony Tony to you and any why I'd say Tony Tony. Yeah. The press nationwide followed it back and forth. By the way you don't have to you don't have to tweet me and say this is how you tweeting at you right now.

This is how you you you say it. I don't care. Dave you're still at Dave Anthony at Dave Anthony. Yeah. Go ahead. Organized labor had been weakened after the failed strikes in 1919 in a response businesses pushed for open shops to roll back union gains make during World War One. Right. Right. Right to work. It's your classic fucking you know bullshit. Bosses won anti-picketing injunctions demanded police protect businesses and and management and scabs. In New York communists are pursuing quote boring from within. So radicalizing the unions from within. Boring boring from like your boy. Yeah. OK. Not a great name. Well. Well the different the other the other boring. Right. I'm learning a lot. Tony boring creams of food. So they're trying to

radicalize unions from within and January 1926 a huge union meeting of thousands of needle workers was held. So garment district mostly women. OK. And the union they authorized a strike. The owners said commies are trying to bullshive eyes the fur industry as yeah of course it's the fucking commies we just want fucking pay. They're trying to take over everything. It is really it's again I mean it's the simplicity of names like just does such a number on us with because they're Americans are uneducated about it. I don't think that's fair. So they the strike begins on February 16th. And it's a fucking big strike. It's the first communist strike in the U.S. OK. They wanted a 40 hour work week. No. No. No. Yeah. That's

just the red scare. Remember the 40 hour work week. Yeah. No. It was like it's fun. A great thing for a long time. It made sense. Yeah. And it's like got rid of it. And now if you want it back it's like relax with your commies stuff. It's like but you're the one working these long hours. I mean look I don't like working 80 hours a week but I hate fucking communists. Yeah. I love that there's all these loopholes for the 40 hour work week. So 25 percent wage increase employer contribution to unemployment insurance. One paid holiday and elimination of worker favoritism. So 10,000 March to the garment district. And really just asking for like a fair job. Yeah. They just say can we not be fucked. We are looking

for an existence outside of work. Fuck you commie communist commie filth. So the cops with Johnny leading his plainclothes squad charged the strikers at every March. The cops would attack and beat the strikers and the strikers would fight back. Yeah it's women but there's men in the air. But yeah. The mainly women are striking. Right. Johnny's doing a lot of striking of his own. That's right. Right. Well done. Thank you. You're getting an award at the end. You're gonna get an award at the end. I have awards. Well don't hate the news. Shooting started three days later between strikers and scabs at a fur shop on West 29th Street. And on February 19th Johnny and other cops attacked a strike picket

line and arrested 200. In March 1926 Johnny was promoted to detective first grade. The name is it sounds like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. And it's like what he was in kindergarten cop. That was probably the alternate named kindergarten cop detective first grade. So it really took up years to get there and he had done this all like boom. Right. But I mean mainly just because he is connected. Right. The New York Herald Tribune noted his rise was due to quote extraordinary luck or influence or both. Probably both. Rumors were it was backroom deals with union connections. The chief inspector was a close friend with the owner of the coal truck he used to drive. So I read an article about him being promoted

and eight of their cops were promoted. Four were demoted during this. No. In the article that announces promotion. Oh. Eight of the cops were promoted. Four are demoted. So this is probably based around just view of the strike. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So they're just like people are like I mean is it crazy they want to work 40 hours away. Right. Hey guess what. Sit behind the desk. Yeah. You downstairs kid. We're re rookieing you. And Johnny was just beating the shit out of people so he gets he gets promoted. Right. Oh. And he's the only one who got his picture in the paper when they did all the his pictures always in the paper. So by the way for a plainclothes cop. I mean they announce all they announce

all the promotions and it's only his picture. Right. Yeah. Because he's Johnny. So he's famous cop. Yeah. He's famous cop. Johnny's put in charge of the roving anti labor unit called the industrial squad. So it had been created in 1917. I don't know if you know what happened then but this thing in Russia to suppress commies in the labor movement. It's amazing. So they saw they saw what happened in Russia and they created a police force in New York City to stop commies from taking over unions. It just seems like freedom. I mean it's it is just like broad. It's just sweeping power. You know I mean that that's just sort of like I mean that's just seems like out of the bounds of the at the hand

of the law. It's capitalism baby. I know but I mean I get it but it's like one would imagine on paper that it would not be part of the pitch. One would imagine that it would be like no this is not what we call a crime. This is this is a dispute. Johnny had quote little patience with labor militants during strikes the job was just to inflict beatings Jesus a few days after the promotion 10,000 workers are picketing and Johnny beat them the cops beat them with clubs and then drove cars at high speed into the picketers. I mean it really is just like I I have learned that you know the level of violence that is allowed to people who are protesting is far beyond what you think it would ever be. I mean just

eventually just let's just bring in the military and start shooting them like if it goes on for too long. Yeah. So they're just like old man at the farmers marketing them. Look if you're if you're the cops and you want to beat up protesters you just go beat them up and say they started hitting us it's that's it. Well and then also it's like if you do kill protesters you know people like we got to protest oh shit you know it's like not much to really do outside of like all right. So now it's not just about labor rights we're going to side protest the fact that they are driving vehicles at us. Yeah. Yeah. The cops don't seem happy about the side protest. And now they basically look so now that they drove

vehicles into the side protest about driving vehicles into us we're having a side protest about the side protest that is off the original protest. How do you think they're going to handle it. They've got jets. Oh my god. All right. Now we and now they've in America and a bunch of states they've legalized driving in a protest so it's all good. Stop. Oh yeah a bunch of states. They've legalized driving into. Yeah they've because the right wingers were driving in a BLM protest and getting their cars. Yeah right. So they said those people they're scared. What happened in Charlottesville. They said those people are scared so they can run people over now like it's yeah in a few states. It's not like you live in a

right wing country. It's good. Do you have a bucket for puke. So Johnny Johnny and his squad are often leading the violent attacks. Strikers don't back down though and a commie strike leader asked all unions to join the fight and tons did. So the unions are just coming together from the violence commying together. Come. Thank you. That year Johnny and his squad were accused of beating up teamsters attacking paper box makers and garment strikers. In July 1926 the industrial squad attacked a meeting of striking interboro rapid transit company workers seriously injuring 20. Now there's no reason. They're literally just having a meeting. It's just a bunch of guys talking about what they're going to do in

the strike planting seeds. The the industrial squad breaks in. They use blackjack's batons and their boots. Witnesses said the beating of one man. This guy's name gigant G. I. G. G. I. N. T. Gigant. I mean you don't be laughing because it's a beating but I mean come on. What are you doing. That's not a that's like a scientific measurement. So he was the most brutal attack a lot of electricity is five gigants. He was the most brutal brutal attack ever seen his face was unrecognizable when the cops were done. Ribs were broken and he had a concussion. Once unconscious the industrial squad choked him and then carried his left resisting. Stop resisting. Stop resisting. Stop resisting. He's dying. He's

dead. Yeah. You killed him resisting. They carried his limp body out to the patrol wagon making sure they dropped him on the sidewalk. So his skull hit the cement and then they kicked him when he was on the ground and then they arrested him for a resisting arrest. No it's the resist. They say even doing the resisting then always. It's just got to get it. I mean there's there's just little battles but we have to stop allowing the stop resisting. They're going to stop resisting. He's dead. You killed him. Stop resisting. He's resisting his life. He's resisting. Stop resisting death. So bystanders outside were then beaten because they saw this and probably said something like why are you beating up a gorgeous guy.

Beat the memory out of them. Just pedestrians before the men in black stick. That's all we'll do. Pedestrians just passing by. Stop resisting forgetting this. They said quote the officers swinging their clubs on any and all who are within reach. There were uniform police but they did not take part. So it's just Johnny squad. Let them go. You don't blow their cover. It's funny that the in this situation the uniform guys are like whoa whoa. What are we doing here. Yeah. Hey wait a second. You know what I just realized what's that. I didn't lock my door. Oh shit. Let's go back. By the way game thing looking too good. Let's move. So as the attack continued inside the hall the chairman of the strike

committee yelled for Broderick to stop the beatings. He didn't. We don't we don't negotiate which is with commies. It's not what we're here for. After the ACLU accused the squad of attacking for no reason and Johnny said it was self-defense and my God his bosses completely agreed. Self defense to a meeting that you showed up to initiated the fight beat at least one person probably within inches of their life. They started it. That's right. What part of this was them starting. They had a meeting. They had eyeballs and mouths. They were a commying. Johnny was accused by first strikers of taking money from owners but the cops said there was nothing to it. The New York Times wrote it was very common

for cops to take money from both sides in a strike. There were accusations the squad offered to protect strikers from beatings by mobsters and company goons and to look the other way when union guys beat up scabs all for a price. But the squad was always clear. The squad was getting money from unions to be like hey don't fuck with us. Yeah. But then they were also getting money from the. He's taken money from both sides. A hundred percent and just and just out of principle beating. Well it depends what situation you're like with some union. Like he probably took money to go beat up this union. Right. That's what I mean. But then in other cases that union is fine and he's pushing back against

the union. The boss's goons. Right. So it just depends on right. Yeah. What. Who pays. Who's the bitter Johnny. Oh yeah. Squad was always cleared. So this is a time when brutality or criminals are like seen as like they can do whatever they want. We can't stop them like they're just out of control. OK. So in November 1926 the industrial squad is merged with the gangster squad as organized crime is getting more and more into labor stuff. So now we need to conflate our two squads to come up with like the best squad best. So Johnny's put in charge. Oh boy. He was purposely chosen because it was brutality because the people just see criminals as openly committing crimes. No punishment. So the public fucking

loves the idea of this super brutal cop just dulling out street justice. Yeah. It really is. I mean there is that there's just that level of complicity where it's like if you you know I mean you're the you're the stop gap. Yeah. But you're like beat him Johnny. How else are we going to stop. But if it's not Johnny out there kicking the head he beat him action figure as his attacks on mobsters increased papers drooled over his brutality and wrote wrote excitedly about the violence he was handing out. He became known for hitting criminals in the street with a rolled up newspaper in broad daylight in front of witnesses just attacking a mobster hitting him in the face of the rolled up paper. I mean but inside was

an iron bar and he would beat them unconscious and then in court he'd say he just gave them a whack with a newspaper and all the witnesses be like yeah he had a newspaper and he hit the guy. Look. OK. We are a simple dumb species. But I when I'm thinking like it is in its simplicity. It is actually pretty genius. Yeah. Because it's like if you're watching it you're like wow this guy's really beating the shit out of him with a newspaper and then when the guys come out and they're like beating like man this guy can work on newspaper like nobody else but he's just beating them with iron. So it sort of seems not I mean it's it's either way but it's just the difference between a paper and an iron. It's pretty big

and you don't know about the iron club. Yeah. You know. But everybody brass knuckles under your mitten. Yeah. So you know I think the papers love the paper started calling him the one man riot squad. Other cops nicknamed him Nick named him cemetery bait because of all the mobsters he was attacking cemetery bait. Yeah. Like he's he's going to the cemetery basically. Oh cemetery. OK. Sorry. You're right. Right. OK. Cemetery bait in November. So cool. In November of 1926 three prisoners tried to break out of the tombs somehow zombie prisoners. Yeah. They were did you not know about there were tombs. Yeah. So in New York City there are ancient Egyptian tombs. The tombs are famous old jail in New York called

the tombs because they look like the tombs in Egypt. OK. So that's that's pretty great. So these prisoners somehow get guns. Three guys they kill a guard. They kill the warden and then they break out into the yard. But that's as far as they can get. So they're in the yard. So that's where they're like OK. Now what is like there's a lot of fences here. Why didn't anyone tell. OK. This is not great. Here's what we need to do. I'm not actually yes pitch hurry. Hey I got a ball. You want to play some ball. No we're in the yard. No. No. Listen we got to get the fuck out of here. We are OK. Listen. OK. All right. It's better not be about recreational activities. OK. Okey dokey. OK. Vamp vamp vamp. We can

lift weights. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's the best pitch we've got so far. Yeah. OK. So they they start getting shot at by I think all the guards you know are up above on the wall. Right. So they run and they somehow managed to get behind a big there's a big pile of coal in the coal in the yard. So it's a little bit like the last part of American gladiators back in the day where you just kind of had your little like bunkery spots where you can kind of like all right. So they hide behind the pile of coal in the yard and they're trapped there and Johnny very very New York criminal moment. It really is. They're trapped behind a bunch of coal. So Johnny hears about it and he goes up to the prison. Nobody knows how

to handle coal more than Johnny. And when he got there the guards are just shooting at the coal pile and they can't hit anything. And he finally watches it ask him to stop and then he grabs a trash can lid and he uses his shield and he pulls his gun which he does not like to do but he pulls his gun and then he walks into the yard and walks toward them at an angle and he's Captain America. And the prisoners shoot at him but they're only hitting the shield. He's you. I mean this is some fucking. I mean the idea of using a garbage can lid as a shield sounds like it's a little arch but it's actually effective. Yeah. I mean because it will be a great moment would be for the bullets to just go through

it. Just a lid to a garbage can like that's how I would think it would play. Well I think back then there was more solid. Oh they made the way they made garbage cans back then. Yeah you know I don't got to tell you. It's not your little rubber made stuff that they have given you today. So he's moving at an angle so they're shooting at him and he's shooting back but they're so they're being moved around the side of the pile. How does he think it's going. I don't know. He's really good at this geometric part of this. He's really moving. He's still coming. And then when he was 20 feet away he started yelling and charged while shooting and the scared prisoners ran from behind the coal pile and we're all gunned

down by the guards. I mean for the prisoners must have been rattled because on paper you're like hold our ground hold but they're like I like our chances in the open field where the guards are shooting down. Who the fuck is this guy. And when it was done Johnny walked to the closest shop and enjoyed a nice cool Coca-Cola because he did not like alcohol. He was basically also the bouncer of Madison Square Garden. I mean so they had fight nights every week and he was there for every fight night every day. Yeah he protected the boxers and the purses they won. Okay. So that they won a bunch of money. I guess they got it. I guess they got it right there and walked out with it. You need protection. Yes you

need your cash. Thank you for $14,000. I'm coming out. It does sound like a gangster's like wet dream. You know what I mean. Just be like all right. $200,000 right here. Someone's going to walk away with it. Also if you're the boxer it's just like all right I'm in the parking lot. How you doing? How you doing? You came box bullets. So yeah so he's protecting those guys. He had a lot of fist fights on boxing nights at Madison Square Garden. He went after famous gangster Vinny Higgins one night beating down both his bodyguards. Then hitting Vinny so hard he went flying through a telephone booth in the lobby. Come on. I mean this is like the original Batman series. Calm down. Garbage can lids and he's knocking

guys through telephones. So now like I said he doesn't drink. He's a known family man. He has two daughters. He would go to St. Gabriel's in the gas house district and sing Mother Matri in a tenor and the church ladies would all swoon. His idea of a good time was to listen to his wife play the piano at home. It feels like it doesn't match up. It's it's well because this is because it is a profession. Well it's everybody's idea of the perfect cop. Right. This extremely brutal. So they can say they can say he's a good guy. Right. Look he's a family guy. He's a good guy. Right. As far as watching his wife play the piano a fellow cop said while listening quote his expression is that of a spanked altar boy.

I feel like you shouldn't know what a spanked altar boy looks like. A lot of problems there. That as well as I one would imagine a spanked altar boy is not enjoying themselves. Right. The priest is or or maybe the spanked altar boy. Yeah. That's right. The spanked altar boy is not enjoying what you should the phrase should be. He looked as happy as a priest spanking an altar boy. We're fucking David. We're trying to be like you know what I mean. We don't need to go away. We can sort of just Catholic church. Of course that is the insinuation but we you know I don't think we have to go all the way. I mean I feel like spanking. Nice version to go the balls. Nope. No we're not. We're we're going to let's just let's

pull back his good man side heightened his fame. He he walked women home at night if they didn't feel safe and offered himself. You want me to beat your husband up before we go inside Miss. OK. Offered himself as a bodyguard to women who were victims of domestic abuse and he offered we go to their homes to teach their husbands a lesson. Well again I mean a broken clock is right twice. On one occasion papers reported a group of young men were harassing women and Johnny came and beat them all up. He picked up each one and threw them through store windows so he could then arrest them for malicious destruction of property. They each got 30 days in jail. Why'd you break the window son because I was

completely tossed into it and through it. We knocked over a bunch of paint cans to you're going to have to pay for that. But I was well unfortunately you know how it works. No you smashed a window. No I got knocked. Let me finish. OK. You smashed a window. You knocked over some paint cans. You hit the storekeeper. He fell down. He broke his wrist. You're going to have to pay for his medical bills. No I got. Please. Now what I'm asking is if we release you will you understand that we're not going to allow anything like that again. You can't be acting in these violent ways. You can't just go out there jumping back first through store windows. I got thrown through the window. Son that's not an excuse for the

damage you did to public property. I got thrown through the way. Son I'm sorry. That's better. You also really hurt Johnny's hands. Don't bite me in the face. Well these knuckles are pretty bruised. Don't go headbutt anybody's hands like that again. You understand. What the shit is your fucking what. You got a bad mouth. You fucking dumbass judge son of a bitch. Johnny you fucking motherfucker. Ow ow. Sewing him for gavel breaking. He just he just beat the crap out of whoever. I mean he and his squad randomly beat two spectators at Madison Square Garden during watching during a bicycle race. Oh God. Well we've already covered that. I mean the people were like please this is the biggest start of the year.

10 speed. They had broken jaws and internal injuries. The press just took Johnny's word that the men had been drinking and that that a fellow cop was the victim. That is that has never changed. I mean again the idea is like you know if you're put in a level of law enforcement or security for that matter the idea isn't that you're on the same playing field as the people that you're there to watch over. Right. The idea is that you're kind of like you're in elevated status and so you need to do what you can to defuse situations. It's not that you need to immediately stop everything. So if a guy is drinking and like harassing a cop. All right. I'm not even saying that happened. The cop needs to be like these

gentlemen are ruining other people's good time. I need to get them out of this situation and use my calmer judgment to do so. Not. Hey let's beat the fuck out of these guys won't leave me alone. Yeah but that's the fantasy the reality. Yeah I mean it's a total fantasy but that's what a lot of people believe. I know and well clearly but on paper like that's what the idea is not. The idea is like if a cop shows up to your house he's not supposed to like pull out his fucking yeah that's the idea. Tell you like stop stop do it. The idea is that he's like all right there's someone with a knife. How am I going to use my skills and my mind in this gamesmanship to get that knife out of here without anyone getting hurt.

Not like I got to kill the lady with a knife. Yeah but the idea in Scientology is that you get rid of Theatons in your body. Why do you have to attack religion. Yeah it's just the what what we think cops are versus what they really are. Yeah it's just like but it's like I think we've like you never really had the plot what the role is the role is cops work cops are and always have been they began in two ways in the south they were slave catchers in the north they were to protect property. That's it. That's all they've ever been. I'll tell you it's gone pretty well then. Yeah. So Johnny like I said he doesn't drink or smoke he's a very good guy so everybody fucking loves him. It's so dumb. Like I'm not saying

you need to drink or smoke but like to me those are not like you know it's like yeah I know. I mean you know it's like a little life there's a little maybe empathy that comes from knowing what it's like to be a nebree. That's not but that's not what people want they want the fucking nice little perfect. I know. As far as Johnny fists as far as gangsters he's at war with them he was now being called tough Johnny or boffam Johnny boffam boffam okay. If the gangster threatened to hurt him he would drive to the gangsters house and beat the shit out of him. I like the idea that you know where the gangsters live like there is this kind of weird line. Yeah. I mean that was definitely a thing. Yeah. They all knew

were yeah they knew everything about each other. Right. It's like well I know what he's I know this guy this booze runner lives over there but anyway I can't really do much about that just got to catch him in the act except beat the shit out of him. I want to beat the fuck out of him. One of the most glaring examples was mobster legs diamond. So legs diamond was a pretty big fucking gangster at the time. I love the name and he was drinking with his crew one night and he started talking shit about Johnny saying he was going to quote take Broderick for a ride tonight. That's a crime. You can't say that. No not allowed to take a cop for a ride. You can't know hyperbole is not allowed. So they start driving around

looking for Johnny. Okay maybe not hyperbole. Now other criminals hear about this and they want to see so they start tagging along. So he's driving around looking for Johnny and a bunch of other criminals are following him like it's a huge event. Right. What's going to happen when he finds Johnny. Yeah. They want to see the beat down and then Johnny hears about it. And so he starts driving around looking for legs diamonds. All right. Where where. Sorry legs just to be clear. What where are you right now. I am. I'm a Broadway and six. I'm a Houston and and and first I was just there. So what do you want to do. You want to stay there. I'll come to you. OK. But if you're going to come to me don't

divert because I was I was getting a shadow. I'm going to come to you. It might be just a little you come you come you come to each other a couple times. Yeah. OK. I'll be there. Stay there. What are you wearing. Just wearing the diamond leg thing. Yeah. I'm wearing the diamond leg. All right. Stay there. I'll be there in about 15 minutes. OK. If I'm longer I'll call you back. OK. All right. All right. I'm right here. OK. I'll see you soon buddy. Should we go try to meet him. I'm still on the phone. Oh sorry. I was heard is not great because the idea was that we were going to you were going to stay. I was talking to my boys. I understand. And that's fine. I'm just trying to make sure I get to you. So when

you say you're going to go I was trying to make it a little bit faster. Again that's what got us into this pickle. So I don't want to be in another pickle. So the idea will be you stay there. OK. So that's it. He planted Houston and third. At first. First House there for stay right there. OK. Be planted. Feet feet planted. Feet planted. Feet are not moving. OK. I mean again you just planted feet planted feet. Just stay there. Diamond just stay there. OK. Just stay there. OK. I just feel like I know. Hey. I'm talking to my boys. I just feel like we should get in there. We get there faster if we go meet you. But I understand the way I understand the deal that we listen. We just talked about

this. We just talked about it. OK. I'm going to miss you if I'm going on house. You're talking about right now if we're both going down Houston. You stay. Listen. Legs. Stay. The legs. Keep them stationary. That's not my name. I understand. Stationary legs is not a guy. Legs legs legs. I cannot be coming to you while you're coming to me. Fast legs diamonds they call me legs legs. Restless legs. I don't know if they're drunk. I don't know what's going on. Do not leave where you are. Otherwise we are not going to be able to resolve this today. Does that make sense to you. It does. OK. So I am going to come to Houston first. Yeah. And you are not going to leave that location. OK. OK. OK. I will

stay. I will see you later. Soon soon. You'll see me very soon because you're going to stay there right here. Hanging up. Not hung up. Is that first. It's not. Oh no. I can hit that. You know what we're not. This is it first. What the fuck. I see you. Hi. I see you. I'm running. Good Lord. So. So he's the driver looking for each other and he finds him on the corner of 46th and Broadway. And Johnny walks up to him and says quote I understand you are looking to take me for a ride and then diamonds to bodyguards sprinted away. Good. And I'm guessing there's a promotion in their future. There are still members. There's a crowd. There's not a crowd of criminals watching because the criminals are following

legs diamond around strange. Just it is very Batman. It really is. So Diamond now tries to pretend that he had not been hunting Johnny. No. Listen Johnny you can't take a joke. That's what he said. Yeah. I was being sarcastic. It's my way. My humor is very dark like that. Johnny punched him in the face picked him up and put him in a trash can head first. Wow. Every criminal had every all the criminals are there so they all watched it. This was literally the moment legs diamond ended. The mayor of New York would later say quote Broderick as good as killed diamond with that garbage can stunt. It finished him as a leader. I mean this is really like Dick Tracy. This is like this is on a level of just it's like

it it shouldn't be that easy. No it's like the law should not be that he put him in a garbage can and it's not a video game. No but everybody watching is like this guy's shit he's fucking weak. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. I get it. I get it. It's just like one would imagine there would be some level of I mean he's just it's so buying it's just like and now he's dead. So his career diamonds criminal career goes into a tailspin other mobsters constantly to reinvent myself. They constantly start trying to kill him. He ends up in a hospital a few times after being shot in 1931 while legs is in the hospital cops raid his home and fight evidence of bootlegging and he gets four years. Legs was bootlegging

but he's out on appeal and someone shot him in the head. Wow. It's believed the Democratic party chairman put out the contract and cops did the deed. Well at least it was all above board. Now Johnny didn't always get the best of criminals. One night a guy called Johnny and said quote you think you're tough Roderick. Well I can lick you and Johnny rushed over and found 15 guys waiting for him. OK. By the time other cops arrived Johnny was close to unconscious but he was still swinging swinging the press said. I think the press. Yeah the press made that he wasn't by the way not amazing. I mean that just by swinging you could just be doing this. It's also like if you walked in and the guy was like you know

beaten you just like a heroic guy. He's got his bell rung. In 1928 Johnny was no longer in charge of the industrial and gangster squad and explanation was not given and he started after this being took the nice chair for today. Yeah I did. I just realized. Did you write the script. I mean I wrote. I helped write the great. Where are they part. Will they need out part. So he's no longer in charge and we don't know why. He starts being given worse and worse assignments. He's still famous though. He's still the same cop. Now this guy Francis Crowley hated cops. He's young. They killed his brother when he was 12. What do you think made him not like cops. I don't know. I do not know unfair to just go in with

a bias for no right. Yeah. Disgusting. He. So Francis soon has a very long criminal record in 1931 he and two buddies crashed a dance at the American Legion in the Bronx. OK. So they just went in. Yeah. OK. And some Legionnaires tried to bounce them and Francis ends up shooting to and then he goes into hiding. That seemed like a great plan for the night. God do what you got to do. OK. I want to dance. I mean. Why were they so mad that we went to their dance that was just for them. What a bunch of assholes. So. So now they're looking for him. He exchanged gunfire with a cop on the street one day but escaped. He robbed a bank and tried to rob a real estate broker. And that one bad. Give me all your commission.

He shot her five times with two guns. And then he got the nickname two guns Crowley. I mean I mean honestly I guess we just added nicknames. Yeah. I mean it's just so it's kind of cute. You know it's it is Dick Tracy. You know it's like what's this guy's name. He's flat top. He's got a flat top. He's a little head. He's got a tiny head. So Crowley and his friend Rudolph Fats Derringer. Yeah. He's fat. So you got two guns because he used two guns and then we got this fat guy who we call Fats. He killed a woman. He's Rudolph tWitch. He's got a tWitch. Fats killed a woman who spurned his advances. And now the cops are really they really want these guys. OK. So Crowley was spotted. I should say two guns.

Two guns was spotted driving a car. It's got to be hard with his two guns. He had a third arm. He knew how to do it. OK. He'd been he'd been living all his life with guns his hands. OK. Sure. And a high speed car chase and gun battle occurred. He gets away again. A few days later he's in his car with his girlfriend petting. Right. So they're doing and a cop walked up not knowing who he was and he shot the cop. OK. There's no stroking allowed on the street sir. Unless you're going to make a orgasm. May I watch. May I legally speaking I demand to watch. So that cop dies. And the next day cops learn two guns Fats and another guy are on the fifth floor of an apartment on 91st Street. So 300 cops around the building.

Now are they going to bring numbers. Bring numbers. Yeah. Are there going to be any cops showing up. Not a lot. OK. 15000 people gather to watch. Again. Very strange. If you're the four people inside you're like I don't love the situation. We're surrounded by an audience. A gun battle breaks out and then Johnny arrives and he saw me that garbage can he saw us across the street and goes up and knocks on the door and tells two guns to give up. Two guns quote. You know me good enough Johnny. You know the only way I'll come out of here is shooting. Johnny said I'm giving you two hours to cool off. And if you're not by then he's going to come in and get him. So two hours later after cops had shot an estimated 700 rounds

they knocked down the back door. Crowley had been shot four times but still point is going to Johnny who walked in and said quote drop that gun you run and keep your hands in the air and then hit Crowley in the face. At least that's what the story says. But when I looked into it that's not the reality of the situation. The papers at the time said Johnny couldn't get through the door. The Daily News quote Johnny Broderick the strong arm man of the police force had tried to crash the door. He staggered from the building and collapsed on the street and an ambulance surgeon revived him. But it wouldn't take long for Johnny's not real heroics to be believed. So he so the pitch of the paper was that he

knocked that in the back door came in. Crowley's no that's not the paper. The pitch. The paper says that he went to the door got tried to get in couldn't get in staggered on the street and had to be dragged away. Then later the story changes. The lore is that he went in he knocked the guy out with the gun. Yeah put his hands up as he's dying. Yeah. Okay. But in reality Johnny lost to a door. That's right. Okay. Okay. So so that I most of this stuff I could find most of the stories you could find in the papers but this one was definitely like as soon as I looked up I was like no it says right here that's not what happened Lenny door really knocked him down. Because when I went to look for it you could

read descriptions there's actually pictures of the whole like it's crazy like the floor blew up and like it's fucking nuts but I started I was just like so where's the part of the story I keep reading different articles where's the part where he punched him in the face and it's never fucking happened. We didn't get there. Yeah. They don't make doors like they used to. That's the thing. So Johnny and the others. So now he has a partner who's also they partner him up with the other big tough guy. So it's like a super cop team. That doesn't work for the TV stuff or a lady. Yeah. Yeah. A lady cop. Yeah. So the Johnny Cordes and so they were actually sent to Chicago. They're both named Johnny. Yeah. They're

both two Johnny's. I mean I'm sure that's part of the reason they teamed them up. Right. It'll be easy. You're the Johnny cops. Here come the Johnny's. So they were sent to the Chicago's world the Chicago World's Fair Chicago asked departments all of the country to send their best quote Johnny because of his two fisted willingness to fight at the drop of a hat is called New York's most feared copper. That's not a good. It isn't. It's a terrible. Why would you send that to the World's Fair. It's like you're there to like protect and serve. That's the pitch. In 1933 the industrial squad was disbanded. We're doing solo stuff. FDR was pushed pushing to get corruption out of New York City. And in

1934 LaGuardia became mayor on an anti-corruption. I'm just here to get an airport. He campaigned on doing something about the industrial squad who he called extortionist quote this agency has done more to create disorder than anything else. OK. Nice. The squad was heavily tied to Tammany Hall and now they're on the outs. Also Johnny is beating up tons of people and not great columnist Westbrook Pegler wrote that he was quote excessively tough at times and there were occasions when pining for action he bounced around people who were in not particular need of bouncing around. Stop resisting. I'm just chewing gum. I'm just a guy. Stop resisting. Pegler said there were a lot of well-known racket guys quote who were walking right past

Detective Broderick on the street and in the lobby of the garden whom he did not find any occasion to bounce around. Keep resisting. And he noted that was strange. That seemed weird. It's weird. I'm judgment. Good time to point out. Johnny dressed in very fancy suits and a monogram to silk shirts. Oh good Lord. Thousand dollars suits. He drove a Cadillac and had a luxurious apartment in Queens which he pulled off making the equivalent of seventy thousand dollars today. Weird. I mean it's like the Goodfellas thing. Yeah. You just don't spend it. Right. Yeah. You don't want to be that brash over. But he like a part of his. Well it's probably a slow it's like probably slowly. Sure. And then when you're 10 years later you're like

excuse me. Why are you dressing like Richie Rich as a cop. Why is your lifestyle like this. And he's he's famous. So. So he's dressed in the part. He's hanging out as celebrities. Right. Like. Right. He said he would wear spats and carry a cane if he thought a cop on his salary could get away with it. And for those who don't know what spats are they're the male Spanx. So it's just when a guy wants to kind of cinch his form up we wear spats. That's right. Johnny was now assigned to the. So now he's on the you know the Guardia takes over he's assigned to the district attorney's office. He was then as the cops called it quote flopped the new regime demoted him to patrolmen and cut his pay by a thousand dollars.

He was transferred to Long Island City. A columnist wrote it was due to his strong ties to Tammany Hall. The Daily News said people were making bets over whether he would take the demotion or quit. But Johnny put on the uniform. It didn't last long. Five months later Commissioner Orion met with Johnny and reinstated him as Detective Third Grade. I thought it was going to go the other way. I can't take this. There's no point in being a cop if you can't beat people. But instead they're like Johnny I want to talk to you. It's just not working out. We need to put you back at the top. The commissioner told the press the demotion had been because of quote vague criticism

regarding political connections. Not that really stuck. But he was actually a model cop. Yeah for sure. Yeah. I mean in many ways he was the model cop. Yeah. He was put on the newly formed hotel squad. The hotel squad. Do you know what the hotel squad was. I want to think of what I think. Yeah. What do you think the hotel squad is. I mean I guess I would maybe I would guess it's something to do with organized crime either laundering through hotels or maybe just meeting at hotels. But I would guess I would guess some sort of organized crime laundering scheme. The Daily News said it was created to quote ferret out mobsters and must them up all over their luxurious suites. So mobsters

are just in these their hotels. These hotels. I think they're staying in hotels. And so it's bait. So they're just like get them out of the hotels and beat the shit out. That's so straight forward. It's just like such it's it's it's like a video game where it's just like there's mobsters staying in these rooms. Go beat the fuck out of them. Yeah. Then you pass. That's right. OK. A movie was made starring Edward G. Robinson based on Johnny's life and specifically getting demoted and fighting his way back onto the force. Yeah. That's how it worked. It was called bullets or ballots. Now that year a friend who owned a bar called Johnny and said Robinson was there and wanted to meet him. Please tell me Johnny beats him

within an inch of his life. Johnny said quote. Tell him I don't want to meet him. Tell him I ought to flatten him. Oh wow. And the Fred did not a friend did not understand what was going on. And Johnny explained quote. Suppose I let my kids go see that picture. And they had seen him playing the part of me actually taking a drink and smoking a cigar. You understand how terrible the look is of a man drinking and smoking. When they cut many of the great beatings out of the story. If my kids see me drinking and smoking kind of influences that in my blood covered fists when I'm pulling guys teeth out. What does that say. They might think that I was inebriated when I murdered all those people with my hands. I'm a father.

Johnny is such a famous cop now that celebrities asked him to be their bodyguard when they came to New York in 1936. FDR asked Johnny to lead his protection detail at the World Series. So OK. Are you so well FDR had just been running on an anti-corruption thing. But all that matters is this guy is famous. So at the end of the day they just went everybody fucking loves this guy and we look bad for demoting him. They put him back and now FDR is palling around with him because everybody loves fucking Johnny. But again I mean that's the point that I was going to basically make which is just like you know what stick to your convictions. Yeah. Well they don't they never do. He was also asked to be security

for the Queen of Romania and the King of Belgium. The New York Supreme Court freed a prisoner around this time before his sentence up because Johnny had quote beat him so badly that he would be a cripple for life. I think this man has more than expiated his crimes. So that's the fucking judges like this guy has been punished. He was beaten so badly he did serve 20 years. Yeah. That's crazy. The man received no medical attention while in jail. He had broken knees ribs and a jaw. Johnny beat him while he was in jail. Beat him before and while. Oh Jesus. Still they're like he's a great cop. Yeah. There's no discipline. None. Depressed still loved him. He was now called Broadway Johnny and as he walked his

beat he was dressed as a celebrity. He didn't always beat up criminals and mobsters. What does that mean he was dressed as a celebrity. The way he dresses he dresses as fancy. He's keeping up with the modern day fashions. So he's not wearing like a cop out. Oh fuck no he is plain clothes like fancy fucking yes monogrammed extremely thousand dollar seats extremely expensive. Yeah. He's just cruising around like he looks like a celebrity and he is a celebrity. He's a celebrity cop. So it's he he. Yeah. I mean it's just so crazy. It's not. I don't love the conflation of these worlds. He didn't always beat up criminals and mobsters. Some got to do what they wanted. He he did demand criminals tip their hat to

him and once went to the funeral of a member of the Hudson Duster's gang and spit in the dead guy's eye. Wow. I mean again broken. Sometimes. It's really nice to Johnny to come here and pay his last respects. I tell you that guy's got a pretty bad rep. But it's nice that he just fucking did. Did he just literally spit in his face. But does that what just happened. What is he doing. Why is he is he trying to make himself throw up in that being the most famous cop. It was like he was bulletproof and no one was going to ask him questions about his income or suits or just blatant excessive force beatings. Law suits due to his beatings were often thrown out as he was friends with the judges and

juries absolutely loved him. He was however reaching a time when his type of cop was going out of style. In 1939 a former commie testified in front of the House on American Activities Committee and said Johnny had received around 50,000 during the 1926 strike. But Johnny kept right on working and nobody did anything about this accusation. In 1941 a story of him in Collier's magazine said quote his knuckles and fingers have been broken so many times that x-ray plates of his hands are on file at Bellevue to illustrate how properly set bones will heal. Now it's obviously bullshit but it just goes to show like what the fuck the press is doing. Yeah. Because it's just nonsense. But they show x-rays to be like

that's how you set a bone. How about you just show a nonbroken hand. In the mid 40s he was slowly being pushed out. In 1946 he was assigned to the mayor's office and then to the main office division. Then in 1947 he retired. The Franklin Harrell reported quote the fabulous Johnny Broderick intends to take a rest before making any details on his life story. Before what? He made any making any deals on his life story. Okay. He ran for office in 1949 and his opponent came out and said Johnny was forced out for being too close with mobsters and the district attorney confirmed that was true. They said Johnny had been on a plane with a known criminal flying to Hot Springs, Arkansas and then while he was there

he hung out the whole time with another mobster and that's why he was pushed out. Okay. Okay. He sold his life story to RKO Pictures for $75,000 for a movie to be called Broadway's One Man Riot Squad but the film was never made. The title was just terrible. But he got the 75K. His wife sued him in 1950 because it turns out he'd left her in 1940 and stopped sending alimony. So the judge ordered Johnny to give her $250 a month. He moved to a farm in Middletown and just raised horses and dogs until he died on January 16th, 1896. 1896. Yeah. Wow. Wait, that can't be right. Yeah, because it started in 1891. Oh, I put the date of his fucking birth there accidentally. Probably like... He died the day he was born. Did I

mention he was... No, I thought he was born in 18... I literally put the date of his birth down for his death date. So this all happened in one day? Yeah. Can you fucking believe that? That's crazy. Can you fucking believe that shit? To me, I felt like he was aging throughout and this was like he was getting older. I was picturing a grown man, too. No, he was a baby. This is all a baby. I just... I wish we could go back and do it again so I could actually fix it. Yeah, you could actually really... Oh, he died on his birthday. That's what it was. He died on January 16th, 1966. Okay. And he was never able to enjoy a great meal from freshly. Freshly. That's right. It's hard to find a good pre-cooked meal these

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yours today. I found out Daily News Times Union, a bunch of Daily News, a bunch of New York Times. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's pretty. It never stops obvious what the commentary should be. You know, I mean, it's just like you cannot. You know, it is it's we are we are complicit and part of the problem when you are, you know, excited or into it. They've just made a good they've just made a good pitch at it all seeming like it's for public safety. Yeah. And so who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want to feel safe? And I think a lot of times it is again, it's just like white people have a different relationship with cops. It's public safety for a very specific type of person. People of color, you know,

when you actually really hear about and read about like the level of harassment that certain people go talk to a fucking black person who lives in South Central or or even I mean in New York, I mean, like, like, you know, there's like, I forget what the term is when you're when you're standing. It's a blocking blocking foot traffic or something. Like if you're standing outside of your house, there are just all of these ways to kind of just interfere with your life. And once you're in the criminal system, then you're, then you're, then you're in the blood, then they then there's fees, there's, there's just stuff like that. And poverty poverty is criminalized by doing those kind of what's basically like you. And there's

no prosecution of the people who really are fucking ruining the country. Yeah, you know. And so, but, but again, I think that for the most part, like white people have a very different relationship with cops and they, you know, like this is a good example of where you just the media is washing the hand of the law enforcement, which is just, you know, allowing the media to sensationalize and make them a hero. Yeah. And, and really, again, the idea should be deescalating and finding nonviolent ways to stop scary situations, which is why when people talk about like changing the way that police actually happens, a lot of it is to do with mental health care, which again, we got rid of because that was a way to cut a nightmare,

you know, a big fee from our, we just transferred and we had to be transferring all that money to law enforcement. And, and then you also, when you, when you include that in the idea that you have these, you know, mega prisons and that is also a way to keep money flowing into the top percentile, you know, it's just like it, it all is just this fucking fake story of, you know, cops are always heroes and criminals are always bad guys. And when you really start to actually look at it, you go, you know, you can cherry pick stories here and there of heroism, but for the most part, the whole thing just has nothing to do with that. Right. The whole thing just has to do with, you know, control, control,

getting them in the system and then you have control of it. And, and again, that is all pretty much based and then I'll shut the fuck up on free labor. Right. You know, so it's all just this fucking stupid system that is kind of just fake. But I like it. I'm a big fan. I am a big fan. But yeah. And, and I mean, like it's stories like that. I mean that you, you probably melted the minds of a generation or two of people who were like, yeah, cops, great guys, cops, fucking heroes and all that stuff. You know, we were talking about it the other night because I have a friend who, oh yeah, without getting into specifics. But when you, when you have access to a cop as a friend, the cops are people. So, you know,

you were, I don't know what, if you want to even tell that story, but it's like when, you know, when you know a cop as a person, you think they're fine. It's a person, but it's also, it's a person. And so the person is going to be like, Hey, you want some confiscated drugs? Hey, you want to see, want to go shoot a gun where we, you know what I mean? It's like it, it's a difficult position to put any human in because you're kind of being like, look, you're, you have an elevated responsibility. You know, you, that's, you need to have a really good metric to test the mentality of those people, which we simply don't have.

Yeah. All right. We weren't recording. Oh shit. So we have one more time we're qualified for Harris. So until then I'm going to end here. Thank you so much. Thank you on the spot.

Okay. Thank you so much.