The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 539 - Aaron Burr - Part 1

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

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wasn't to save Don Nuts life. I didn't even know we had to but that's what we did. Maybe I will try to get up again today. Wow, Don. He's walking. That's crazy. I mean he ended up dying so it was... Nice. Way to stick the landing there, Dave. Good stuff. Well done. We will be doing a live virtual show. That's right. We're coming to your town no matter where you live. That is a Moment House show. That'll be Thursday July 14th live from your home. Then July 15th I will be at Blue Note at Napa. That'll be two shows. I think it's a 630 and a 9 and then that Sunday night the 17th I will be at Cobb's Comedy Club in San Francisco filming a crowd work

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October 20th Pittsburgh October 21st Cleveland October 27th Grand Rapids October 28th Royal Oak Thursday November 3rd Nashville November 4th Louisville November 5th St. Louis November 6th Indianapolis November 8th Kansas City. Oh Dave Anthony saved my life. I almost teared up right there. Yeah. February 6th 1756 Year of Our Lord Jesus. What? Change it up a little bit. Aaron Burr was born in Newark New Jersey to his parents Aaron Burr senior and Esther Edwards Burr. And now wait are we we are in the midst of this is going to be a series correct? This is a this is a long one. Wow. It will be parts. So we're starting okay because you

can't tell the Aaron Burr story in one sitting. If they call him the sagal of the 1700s. Well that you'll he was the second child and had an older sister Sally. His father Reverend Aaron Burr senior was the president of what is now Princeton University. This is before people were pitching names. They were never like sitting around like what should we call it. They were just like it'll be me. He was considered an exceptional preacher. Aaron's mother Esther was the daughter of Reverend Jonathan Edwards. Maybe America's most famous fire and brimstone theologian. So he's from a religious very religious family. Okay.

Aaron's mom was a genius. She was funny. She was confident. She stuck up for herself and women. Aaron had two serious illnesses as a baby and Esther thought he would die. She wrote quote I look on the child as one given to me from the dead. Wow. So that's nice. Lord. That's really positive. It's just nice. What a gift. Aaron was a mischievous child and his parents had to use strict punishment to keep him in line. Now his father died from a fever in 1757. So when he's two when dying he said to bury him as cheaply as possible and give the save money to the poor. That's a really great way to go. To me that means just dig a

hole and roll it in. Not even. Toss me on the yard. Let the birds go at it. Right. Okay. Yeah. I like that better. Let the birds have at it. I remember there were a lot of birds back there. I like the final I like the like waiting for the final words to be like really like prophetic about life and it's just like bury me real cheaply. What? Save some money. Save as much as you can. See if so you could sell my skin for lamps. So Esther's dad came to take over at Princeton. Okay. And he got inoculated against smallpox when he got there and then died from complications of getting inoculated from smallpox. I knew it. I told you.

I told you dude. I told you you can't fucking vaccine man. Yeah. Wow. So I guess you'd rather smallpox. Yeah. Well I mean Aaron's mom then came because Esther died of smallpox that she got from her dad. Wait which one. Sorry. Aaron's mother Aaron's mom just Aaron's mom just died. Passed away too. So he has nobody. So then so he lost his mom and his dad and his grandpa and his grandpa four months. Wow. Then like four months. He's like so his mom doesn't know his his grandma. His grandmother comes. Right. Her mother comes. So she's like I'm not touching you stay in your box. Right. So yeah little devil baby. And then she dies a

dysentery really quick. What. Wow. I mean so then if you're like like they're like do you want to go raise him. You're like honestly I don't think it's a good idea. No he's not someone you want to be around. I know he's a killer. Like he's like he's fucking cursed. Like when you're just alone with him he's like so they sent you huh. What the fuck. You're too. You think you're going to survive me. Dick again. His head rotates. Curses start blowing. That's right. So their their maternal uncle Timothy Edwards takes them in. He's only 21. Nice. He also now has to take care of the other kids because both of his parents have

just died. Jesus. So he's got brothers and sisters he's taking care of and then and then also. And also he took care of other kids of brothers and sisters who died. So he had he's 21. He's just kind of opened his own orphanage basically by yeah just yeah. It's a private orphanage. Yeah. Right. And then him and his wife would have 15 kids. So it's a it's a lot of fucking kids in this house. Okay. So Aaron is very smart and he really likes to learn. He ran away when he was four. He was gone for four days. Wow. Wow. Who is able to. I just love a four year old out there for four goddamn days. Four. Four. Four. I mean. It's incredible. How do you

even know to run away at four. I don't even think that's called running away. He got lost. And then when he came back and he was like seasoned. You know you can make fire pretty easily if you try. He's just got like a like a satchel full of fish. Who wants trout. We eaten tonight gang. You're four. Four. Well I don't know. I'm divorced now. Let's just put it that way. You are four. It was a long hard time. The road is a man. The road ages a man. So at eight he was never seen the night train from a grown man's eyes when you strangle him. I have. That was Monday you left. Yeah. It ain't easy. Let's get these trouts skinned. So when

he was eight he was caught throwing cherries at a rich lady wearing a silk dress. He was beaten by his uncle for this or is he called it quote licked like a sack. So this uncle kind of goes from being like I'll take them in. I'll do like he's just beating them a little bit. He's crazy strict. He's super strict. But back then I mean that's basically what you did. I mean you just you use physical violence against your children. Right. I mean that's what I did. Yeah. Dave is recorded. Oh shit. At 10 Aaron left his home in New Jersey and made his way to New York Harbor to get a job as a cabin boy. I

just don't. I know. And I know we've sort of covered this ground before. But how is that happening. How is like I guess society just your brain differently back then. So like 10 you're like well look I can't be sitting on my ass forever. I'm 10 year. I don't have much left. I'm going to go work on a ship. 10. I mean you're way more independent. You have way more duties and chores like you're working. Yeah. So your brain is just kind of for me. Still you are 10 still you are still still a tiny framed little thing. He's also way smarter than most people. So maybe he's got the intelligence like a 13 year

old. I don't know. That's amazing. Look he's working like he's 13. So you know so he's at New York Harbor and he asks around and some guys like yeah I need a cabin boy. So some guy hires a 10 year old. Who's got a smoke. I want a tailor made. Come on. No more bullshit. But his uncle Timothy figured out where he was and Aaron saw his uncle Timothy coming and scrambled up to the top of the highest mast and refused to come down. And then he negotiated and made his uncle say he would not punish him before he came down the mast. OK. Smart. I like that. Like scrambling like a champ up there. I ain't coming down unless you

promise to not want me. Uncle. So he applies to Princeton when he's 11 years old. We're ready to take you in. This is how it works. It's it's time. You're 11. You're ready to go. You're doogie howzer. So he is academically totally capable. Like he's got the background in grades or whatever. But he's rejected. How does he how does he OK. At least I mean that makes sense. I'm surprised that someone was finally like no you're 11. But so he's what is he doing. He's just reading a ton. I mean it sounds like he's like yeah he's going to school and I think you could do a curriculum on your own back then. Right. Like you

could get the books and stuff. And so I think he's self schooling going on his own. Right. Yeah. Or someone in the family is helping him. But he's definitely getting an education that's way ahead of what you know. Right. OK. So he studies hard over the next two years and gets in to Princeton when he's 13. And the same was it 18 was when you normally would go to college. He is 17. Yeah. 17 OK. So he gets in as a sophomore because he's already on his own done the freshman and sophomore curriculum. But now he's now he's mad because he wanted to go in as a junior. And this was a quote a source of extreme mortification. Oh my God. He's

like this is bullshit. I can't believe it. Can you believe it. I'm 13 and I'm not a fucking junior embarrassment. It's an embarrassment. So he's obviously 13. Don't remind me I should be gradually teaching at this motherfucking to be totally honest with you. So he's small and other students most of 17 years old nicknamed him Little Burr. But he's very popular. I would call him Burby like a Burr baby. Yeah. No. Little Burr. He's just a Burby. So Aaron studies 18 hours a day. And he ate. We're days 24 hours back then. Yeah. So OK. I'm just checking that they're still OK. He ate less because he noticed he couldn't study as well after he had a large meal. So so

he's starving himself to become smarter. That's right. This is by the way the exact opposite of the American spirit of today. That's right. Eat more. Learn less. Hurry. Keep eat. Keep eat. So this led to him become extremely thin and people thought he was ill. His scores however the first year put him way ahead of most students which he thought would impress everybody but no the other students didn't really care. So after that he didn't care about impressing the students anymore. And he focused on the quote constant pursuit of pleasure. So he and how old is he. He's 13 maybe 14 now. 14. I mean 14 is living the like it wouldn't be surprised me if he was like trying like if

someone was like you're only going to live to be 21. And he's like I'm going to really have to cram it in because he's like 14. He's like look I've gone to college. I've experienced that scholastic lifestyle. It's not what I want. I've graduated. I've taught. I've seen it all. I lived on my own as a four year old for a little while. It's time to focus on the pleasures. You're 14 years old. I know it's flying by. So yeah he's very good looking and he becomes known as a charmer of women. But he's 14. He's a ladies man at 14 and 15. He's not a girl's man. He's a like women women. Well I'm sure it's other students but you know still probably women right like 18 19 20.

He ends up graduating at 16 with the highest academic awards Princeton has to offer. He then goes to study theology to become a preacher as is the family business. But he doesn't want to do that. He decides and he switches to studying law and he studies under his brother in law tapping read nothing. Not for me. I mean you're looking for why are you flagging the name is strange. No I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. No I just it sounds to me like it sounds like you're fucking read. Yeah. But I mean OK. So his name is tapping read. Let's just keep going. Whatever. Tapping tutored Sally. All right. Now I can't. Now I can't. Now that you're saying it like that now that it is like so tapping was tutoring tapping

tapping was tutoring. Tapping was tutoring Sally when she was nine and then later married her. Fuck off. Hello. What are you tutoring my daughter in. Creepy. I'm not. I'm not tutoring it's called grooming. Basically I'm taking a fragile little mind and normalizing what would be considered a crime. I mean I guess it was normal back then to. No. Watch a girl grow up and then be like OK now your woman. I could never I could never get beyond the fact that I knew that person as a child. Like I mean you couldn't you couldn't. Yeah I you could certainly couldn't in like you know what I mean. If you like 20 years later you're like oh hello Sally. You'd be like OK I did know I was a guy. I guess it's a go all time.

Yeah. Yeah. Boy 15 is looking pretty good on her isn't it. What excuse me tapping. Why do you think they call me tapping. I'm a total sex criminal. So the American Revolution breaks out and Aaron joins the Continental Army. Now when he gets to the army camp in Cambridge he is incredibly disappointed because the men are terribly disciplined. They're squabbling amongst themselves all the time. So Benedict Arnold is planning an expedition to Canada. And he signs up to go with Benedict Arnold bird does. OK. Nice. Now Aaron is very small and he's delicate. He's a little little fella and 17. Yeah he's probably around 17 now. OK. His family and friends all think that going on

this campaign is going to kill him because it's a tough tough journey up to Canada. So they all start writing him letters quote my dear friend you must not go. I cannot bear the thought of it. Tis a little less melancholy than following you to your grave. Another quote I know you will die. It is impossible for me to endure the fatigue. I like that. You're a good cop bad copping him. I like that. Look you're a dead man. As far as I'm concerned Aaron you've already died. What are you stupid. His uncle is dumb shit. You fucking dying idiot. You idiot. His uncle is so concerned that he sends a messenger to the camp to order Aaron to come home. And Aaron's like no I'm not doing a task you're

asking for a messenger. You have to go home. No. He really meant it though. Yeah well I'm not doing it. Please come hurry. Come on fucking. So after he says no and is very emphatic about it. I'll be right back. The messenger has a second. He said no. Go back and tell him yes. No the messenger has a second thing like they're like OK he says no. Now do this OK. He said to open this if you said no. That's correct. He gives him a parcel to open here. OK. Quote some gold and a much more affectionate letter from his uncle imploring him to come home and saying how worried he was about him. And Aaron is touched and tears up. But he says he's still going on the march. Well he said if you turn down the gold to give

you this. It's so wonderful but I'm still going. Well then he said to give you a dance. So here I go from the top. Well it's lovely. Your uncle's getting old and he thought that he could bribe you with some gold but instead he said maybe it's time for you to reconsider in your head. Come home. Come home. It's the place where you want to be. Come back. Come back. Live with your uncle where you can see. Come on everybody do it. Do it. Come on home. Come on home. Would you baby Aaron. We want to tell you it sounds absurd. We're really missing you Aaron Burr. OK. So I will come home if I can kill you. Well he said that that might happen. There's a fifth package. I think we missed the fourth. Here. It's a

mallet. He said to bash me. So the march is a 350 mile march through freezing Maine and it left a lot of dead soldiers. They had to eat lizards and dogs and shoe leather. What a third. A third survived. A third of them. I mean like eating shoe leather has got to be like jerky's hard. Yeah. Shoe leather is harder. By the way I had Beyond Beef made a jerky and I got a bag of it and I was eating it and I was like it's really close to jerky but I guarantee you like people are like telling them like this is too good. This needs to be drier and chew and they were like but this is a better verdict. Exactly. We're not going for that. This needs to be shittier, drier and harder to chew. We're making bad jerky

gang. OK. All right. So we're doing that. Shoe leather and lizards. So a third live. They had a scavenge. That's how we should. That's how we should start doing ads. We should just be like yeah we're not doing them anymore. And then just like during the show just be like God he would have just gotten such a better night's sleep if he was on like a comfortable mattress. One of those ones that like fits to your body where you open it from one of those. Oh he looks. You know. I think that's what. Yeah. Whatever. He looks. Yeah. He looks mattress or whatever. But OK. So there he is. He's on the mission. Go ahead and he should have been sleeping on a helix. But go ahead. So they have to scavenge their clothes. At

one point Aaron was wearing a short. Talk about needing hello fresh. Aaron is wearing a short fringed shirt. A weird belt and a large hat with a curled up fox tail and a feather on top. Well you don't need to tell me the hats weird if he's got a fox tail and a feather. Aaron how's your outfit coming. But he was called myself a forest. OK. He was singled out for praise by Arnold. But Aaron was repulsed by Arnold. He hated Arnold. He said he was cruel and quote utterly unprincipled and has no self respect or love for his country to guide him. But I hear that and I wonder because what we know about Benedict if that wasn't one of those. You think maybe he was sort of right. Like people were sort like

that was sort of what he was inferring from the rumors of the time basically. Yeah. I mean to say his love for his country is very weird. And again this is a 17 year old. Yeah. So wearing a fox wearing a fox tail. That's right. So they get to go back and Aaron he's assigned to take a message to General Montgomery who is the other general that's there waiting. And so he goes behind British lines disguised as a Catholic priest stopping and going from house to house and saying he's a traveling priest. Hello. Hello. Yeah. And he's got does he know. I mean but he probably knows these. There's some familiarity with the Bible. Yeah. Oh sure. Yeah. He knows all the. So he's able to talk to talk. He's not like me going where

they'd be like he'd be like it's like Carrithian said anyway I should get going. I'm going to get moving. It's classic Genesis. Anyway revelations. Cain Abel take care. Thanks. So Montgomery is very impressed and offers Aaron a place as an aide who would work closely with him and Aaron accepts. OK. So he's no longer with Benedict right. And here's the problem though. They go they start fighting and Montgomery dies pretty quickly in a battle. OK. Aaron tried to retrieve his body under enemy fire. All the other soldiers were impressed. But after this he starts to grow cynical. He thinks Congress is completely inept at military planning. Writing that they were either writing that they were either drunk

or crazy. Wow. So same Congress. What. His best friend Matthias Ogden meanwhile had taken a message to George Washington and ended up joining George Washington's camp. So Aaron is jealous and he's stuck where he is. He's not getting promoted. And besides being good in battle you had to suck up to superiors. Put the right gossip in people's ear. Challenge other officers to duals all this stuff that he just doesn't politics. Yeah he doesn't want to do any of it. Right. Yeah politics is one of anything to do with it. OK. So then Arnold tells Aaron to deliver a message to the British. And if they don't like that message open the package. And then there's a third one. It's a mallet. And then there's

lyrics. There's lyrics in there. A dance. You do a dance. Interpretive. Yes. Poetry. And we've added something. After the dance if they say no puppetry but also cook them a little meal. Yes. At that point you'll make them a meal and you'll walk them through it and then you'll have them cook it. Now in there will be the ingredients and then one finished dish so they don't have to wait around while you make it. Yes. And then if that doesn't work you hit him with the mallet. Then you mallet them. Yes. All 700 of them. OK. Yes. So he read he doesn't just take the assignment. He says I want to read it first. And Arnold's like OK. And it basically is demanding the British surrender. And Aaron's like look the

terms are unbecoming of an American officer. So I'm not going to deliver this. And that's why you're not supposed to read this shit. He just refuses. And then someone else delivers it. And as Aaron said the British are like fuck you and just ignore it. Right. I mean it's it's got to be hard difficult to have the right combination to you know like get people to surrender. Yeah. I'm sure you surrender. Check yes or no. I'm sure it's yeah. But I mean they're slandering them in that. OK. OK. So Aaron is just done with the whole situation banked Arnold and he decides to look for a different military posting. And I guess he puts it out there or something because in May of 1776 he's invited to join and be one

of Washington's close aides. OK. But he gets there and it's all pettiness and backstabbing and he hates it. It's maybe worse than what was happening at Benedict's group. OK. He thinks George Washington is honest but also super dull. Also doesn't talk a lot. And when he does he screams because of the pain of his mouth. And the teeth fall out. We look like we have kind of we have kind of we have. I'm just I'm just saying but they I'm just they made the thing that was better than porridge. Like I'm something with nutrients out some thing with nutrients that was that you could eat that was similar to less chewing. Not the point has a lot of chewing but it would just be nice if there was something that was

just I don't know. Like like water but like food because chewing is just a that's a nightmare. Here's a steak. No. Take that away right away. That's it. It will not work for me at all. I mean like I like that. Maybe you chew it and you can like like a mother bird to a baby bird. You can. Oh I'm sorry. Here's my mouth. Here's some beef jerky. Get out. Get out here. Basically chew lever. There might be people listening who don't know what's happening. George Washington didn't have teeth. My everything is pain. My whole mouth is just a little pain. Well because people like the great general the great president and in reality was probably just sitting there like that. It hurts. Everything hurts. Whatever. I mean

chewing hurts. So Aaron transfers to be an aide at the camp to general Israel Putnam. Now the war isn't going well in New York. Mostly because Washington is very hesitant to act and he's not a good decision maker and Washington orders a retreat. So Aaron because he knows the area finds a safe route for thousands of soldiers to retreat and as he's going they pass a colonel in his group and he's like you got a retreat and the colonels like I haven't gotten orders to so I'm not going to retreat. So Aaron rides away and it turns around and comes right back and says yeah now you have orders to retreat and the guy leaves. That was really quick. All right. Come on everybody.

We're out of here. Wow. Wow. That's just like that guy's that guy's. Oh it's hard. OK great. That was fast. Was he hiding in that tree. I saw I could still see you the whole time. So Aaron is promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. Other officers noted he was bold and a quick decision maker. He lives through the winter at Valley Forge which is an absolute nightmare. There's terrible weather diseases. There's very little food. Soldiers get drunk. They threaten to kill their commanders. They're randomly just shooting their guns. They're smuggling. They were refusing to drill. So it's a shit show. Aaron is very strict leader. He pardoned some guys for acting out others. He's like yeah you're whatever I get it. And

then he fights in the Battle of Monmouth in 1778. His horse gets shot out from under him. He gets he gets severe heat stroke. And so he's got it takes him a while to recover from the heat. It's like really bad. So then afterwards he's he sent to West Point to oversee disciplinary measures which he absolutely loaths. And there he got nicknamed Colonel Burr's son because he looks so young. Yeah I was gonna say like if you're at West Point you're like you're my age asshole. Yeah but he's supposed to oversee them but he's like barely older than them. Yeah. So so that that again is like when my mother got the 12 year old to babysit me when I was 11. Okay. Yeah that's right. Yeah. So every general that he had now fought

under who could have helped him rise up is either dead or out of the army. And he's sick of the pettiness between all the officers. And so the petty officers. Okay. He's he's also disgusted because officers are ordering soldiers to steal food from civilians. He's making his men return anything they steal because they're also just plundering. Right. So he's just he's just over the military. He spends a lot of time wooing women. Nice. Matthew Davis wrote quote it is surprising how any individual could have become so eminent. He devoted so much time to the other sex as was devoted by Colonel Burr for more than half a century of his life. They seem to absorb his whole thoughts. So he's just obsessed

with ladies. Right. He's also very good looking. All right. You pointed that out. Yeah. Very hit. You got a burner. I would be tapping that. Yeah. I'd be tapping that like I was his tutor. He's thunder. He's got dark hair. And then he has hazel eyes which were described as quote piercing orbs sparkling blazing penetrating and fascinating. I can I fuck you. I've got penetrating. You like that. One paper wrote an article about him and had an entire paragraph just about his eyes. Now let's move on to the eyes. The eyes have it. He also was very charismatic. He had a very infectious laugh. So he's the he's the package. So he's fuckable majorly. He's very fuckable and he's super known for charming women. Right. But he made

it very very clear that he valued consent quote never had an amour in my life in which I was not met halfway. I would be the last man on earth to make such advances were they not welcome. I mean it's weird because you're partially like you're like yeah no shit but also I'm sure at that time that actually at the time and then I was thinking about it and I was like and at this time and it's not at this time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah we could think of some comedians that have some problems. Oh there we're a perfect batch. Come on now of aside from those 40. OK. But so all right. So he's he's a charmer. He's at the armoire. He's banging. He's also like consent. He's old fashioned. Well he's also very like mindful

of women's reputations and so much so that when he wrote letters he used code names in case the letters were discovered or whatever of code names. Do you have any. I would call her Frank. I don't. It's where I don't like he's just like you know my cock or span you'll love to meet your puppy. Stuff like that. Where you'd be. He's just talking. He's just talking about dogs again. What did Harding call Pout Pout Miss Pouting House. Yeah Miss like Powderston or something like that. Yeah just terrible. Harding. He did. He refused to talk about details of any of his sex sex with women with any friends. He would not talk about it with anybody. So you know he he treats him with respect and he's a fucking

lover like great. Right. Yeah. In 1777 he met Theodosia Bartow provost at her home. All right. Let's just talk about the names for a second. Every every name except for one has been totally insane. Theodosia. Theodosia. And what is the rest of her name. Theodosia Bartow provost. Okie dokie. It's totally normal. Yeah. Theodosia. So she is her home is being used as Washington's headquarters. That's how he meets her. And she's 32. He's 22. He's fucking 22. Think about all the shit he's done. He's 22. I've been thinking about it the whole time. Yeah. He's I mean it's yeah. This is an advanced life. Yeah. Now she's married to a British officer. Theodosia. I don't fancy for an occasion tonight. I think

I'm just too tired from battle. I'll be upstairs in the powder room if you need me. Let me know if you need anything. The door slam. And then she's just sitting there and he's like he seems like a fine guy. Oh. Oh. Hello. He's not there because I'm not even looking at you. She's using she's letting Washington use the home as headquarters. Right. That's the opposite side. So he's clearly he's he's off fighting somewhere else. OK. OK. They have five kids. She is not good looking. OK. She's she has a scar on her face. She's in bad health. OK. But she is fucking brilliant. She's educated. She's super funny, witty and has tons of social graces. So her husband is fighting down south. So Theodosia and Aaron

become good friends. He visits all the time and it wasn't long before she and Aaron are openly together. OK. And her husband's like I've heard rumors. Well he doesn't know he's just off fighting. So yeah. There's no idea. OK. All right. So let's just openly got a boyfriend. So Aaron Aaron still has the after effects of the heat stroke. He has migraines. He possibly has PTSD. OK. And he wrote writes Washington and says like my health is just not up to it. I can't do it anymore and retires. OK. And then retires. Look I'm 22. It's just been a lot. I think it's time for me to go into the sense. Theodosia's husband then dies of yellow fever in 1781. So she doesn't want to marry again right away. Also that just

looks bad if you just immediately marry again. Yeah. Just openly date while he was like yeah you don't want to like that. That's a bad look. Just openly have your boyfriend while your husband's dying of yellow fever. That's better. She she wants him to pass the bar first before they get married. So he goes to New York and crams by the way. And for me Dave that's a deal breaker. That's where I go. I don't know. I guess we're done. Yeah I don't think it's going to work great to be honest. I'm going to take off Scarface. Oh easy. OK. Scarface. It's just I just remember her for her. I just remember her for her personality. But I guess I'm just one of those sensitive guys.

So Aaron Crams a three year apprenticeship into a one year of study. Just a barrier. Yeah. He wants to. Yeah. Well also he does that anyway. That's his thing. Right. Yeah right. Right. He's smart. So he gets licensed to practice in New York in 1782 and then they get married. Wow. She meant it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Now they didn't have much money at the wedding. Aaron wore an old coat and Theodosia wore a borrowed dress. Okay. So he he believed a successful little rascal's wedding. Okay. He believed a successful marriage was based on mutual respect and a true friendship between equals. What a fucking lunatic. This guy I think it's gross. Okay. That the husband's thoughts and opinions were not more important

than the wives which are. All right Aaron let's relax. Is he a time traveler. I mean these are crazy thoughts for the time. Oh people were probably like Aaron what are you doing. You're making the gender look horrible. Her mind is not as good as yours. Her opinions matter less and for God's sake enough of this equal footing nonsense. We know from we know from modern medicine that a woman is an eighteenth of a man. So wait. So he thinks I mean he thinks men men and women are equal in this crazy way and his friends would get angry because they didn't agree. Stop saying that. If you keep saying it it might become true. He thought women should be able to hold political office and vote. All right pal. What is happening.

What are you talking about. So he also took being a stepfather super seriously. He raised the kids his own. They had their own daughter named Theodosia. Don't. Oh God. Wow. I mean at least it's that that's still. What should we name it. Me. Let's move on. Done. But it's a girl. It'll take my it'll take my name. It's a girl. Good. Aaron called her Theo. Sure. They had another daughter Sally who died at three. Nice. Now his beliefs obviously impact his daughter's education. He is very upset at the way girls are educated because it just prepared them to be attractive to men. Good wives and good at parties. Plus I don't know if she's very smart. I mean at this rate she'll be graduating college at 16. It doesn't

seem like it's going to be great. OK. So he. Yeah. So he it really is amazing how progressive thinking. Yeah. Oh totally. He's great. He's like he's a feminist. I mean this is a feminist before they knew what that was. Yeah. He's like a man but woman. He said the way they educated girls today there was no point and you may as well just die as such a petty existence is meaningless. Well that is the idea. But a lot of us aren't saying that out loud. Good on you boy. You're really under way to bottom line it. He and Theodosia were big fans of radical feminist Mary Wallins. Wallstone craft. He wrote to his wife that he she's a she's a big writer at the time. Big feminist writer. He wrote to his wife that he wanted to continue

Wallstone crafts work by convincing quote the world that neither sex seems to believe that women have souls. Hmm. Still trying. Yeah. I mean he really likes. Theodosia is probably like all right. And I mean relax a little bit. OK. I'm a woman and this is getting your leg and I'm pretty big. Look. I'm already. I'm down. Yeah. Do this. His wife totally agreed. So he gets a very rigorous education reading and writing by three. Jeez my. So these are smart fucking people. These are smart people. My God. I'm feeling personally shamed. She studied mathematics literature geography Latin Greek French and Italian. She practiced writing six hours a day. She's brilliant. She's a prodigy. She's reading books

like the decline and fall of the Roman Empire at eight. At eight. Father these Romans. My gosh. Eight. Can you believe the corruption. She. She. She. I was like a bunch of Ramas pretty good but I like Beverly's earlier work. She would go up to be the most highly educated woman in the United States. So they feel and Aaron adore each other. They love each other like they just just amazing relationship. His stepchildren also love him. And then his law practice takes off. There's there's very few lawyers in New York City at the time because Tory loyalists after the war who had made up most of the lawyers in New York City are now forbidden from passing the bar and being a law. So there's just just huge opening for

lawyers. Right. Men like Aaron and Alexander Hamilton make a name for themselves like Alexander Hamilton. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like the guy from the completely fictional story of look we know they sang like that at that time at least. Yes. Oh yes. So they made their money in civil suits from new laws like the trespass act which let Patriots sue the Tories for occupying and damaging their homes during the war. Now Aaron. That was the really really enjoyable so good. You know. Yeah. And then I probably shouldn't have knocked all those dishes off. So I'm also sorry for that. What was that? I said I'm also sorry for doing that to you. So really bad. Sorry. And my windows probably shouldn't have smashed those. I'm sorry for

doing that as well. So it was just it was just a time. You know. It's sort of like the capital riot when people are just like well look it's just like we're all just you know one thing led to another and then you know I'm pooping in a drawer. It's just like we're all having a really good day. You know what I mean. So. So Aaron thinks sharing the wealth between the rich Tories and poor Patriots is a good way to make a more equal society. While Hamilton thinks Tories Hamilton thinks Tories should keep all their money in power. Wow. So different viewpoints. There's let's make everything good and equal on the other one is just go fuck yourself. Right. Yeah. Hamilton agreed with Tories and he represents them. Aaron

sees the this lawsuits as disaster relief and allowing Patriots to rebuild and he as a lawyer he tries to be as concise as possible and speaks to the jury with them instead of at them. And he's super persuasive and it said he never loses a trial. OK. And as he says. Oh. Your honor we find Hamilton guilty of being totally affable. Hamilton at Burr. Just so taken with those piercing baby hazels. As. As he takes on more cases he his political beliefs start to become known. And in 1784 Aaron is begrudgingly put on a ballot and wins an election for New York General Assembly. I don't want to. I mean he's walking around like Bill Murray at the end of Groundhog Day. I don't know. Don't put my name on a ballot

but you're for sure to win Aaron. I mean. Oh. He grew to like it though. He came around and like I said he thought women should have the right to vote and he introduces legislation to make that happen. Wow. People. Pardon. What. No. What's happening. Yeah. He spoke for the rights of free black people and called for freeing all slaves in New York immediately. I mean this this is this guy is quite ahead of his day. Yeah. Even abolitionists even abolitionists at the time don't want it immediately. They want it over time or passed out. Slowly. And he's just like no it's just the right thing to do. Do it. Well I don't know if he's heard how Washington works but you need to really do these things slowly. That's amazing.

OK. Now he also owned slaves over his life but he also educated all of his slaves. So I don't know. It's all. That's an interesting twist. It's an interesting curve. Except for me. I'll keep mine. OK. What. OK. The constitutional the constitutional convention is called in 1787 and New York's political factions were the Federalist Party who won a strong central government and anti-Federalists who thought a we just hate them. That's our whole thing. Screw you guys. We're not into you. They think a powerful central government is going to hurt them in a class and strip Americans of liberties. Now Hamilton is a Federalist and he's at the convention and he simply doesn't believe in democracy and

he called it an American disease. Democracy. The guy the play is about Alexander Hamilton just so we're aware called democracy a disease. Alexander Hamilton. OK. His recommended his recommendation. Democracy. Oh please. I consider that thing pretty much a disease. Alexander Hamilton. OK. I'll stop. His recommendation to the convention was to have a president for life and make that president not subject to any laws. Yes. Yes. Much like what we just left. Lifetime appointment for someone we never get to vote on. Well that's what happened with the Supreme Court. Right. Oh Dave. Come on there. But that's different because they're doing the work that the people I'm sorry I'm going to throw up in this bucket for a second.

So they end up settling on a strong central government and the anti-Federalists agree to ratify the Constitution when the Bill of Rights is included. Now Aaron opposes ratification because it's a strong central government thing. But once 10 states agree and are on board he goes OK now New York should ratify. So the Federalists won. Right. But but it ends up leaving politics in New York more partisan and two political families basically are fighting. The Federalist Skylers who have Hamilton on their side and the anti-Federalist Clintons and they have the governorship. George Clinton is the governor. Well man I wish he was. Come on. Give me give me. Yes. Unfortunately the governor will not be leaving the mansion again

today for he took acid with his coffee and believes the ground is water. He'll be sending out Senator Bootsy Collins in a mere moment. The governor has said it's time to bring out the funk. Yeah. And he will be landing out here exiting a spaceship in a couple of minutes to give a speech backwards. OK. Is that the chocolate. Is that the chocolate spaceship. That would be the one. OK. So Federalist Skylers Anti-Federalist Clintons George Clinton is the governor of New York. So Aaron is aligned with a moderate anti-Federalist group. OK. And Hamilton is trying to be sneaky and he nominates a moderate. Now he's a Federalist but he's trying to work the angles. He doesn't think a Federalist can win. So he nominates

a moderate anti-Federalist to run against Clinton. OK. Wait. Wait. But Hamilton is a Federalist. Yes. But he knows that those can't win. Right. OK. So OK. He thinks this will make Clinton look super radical. Got you. OK. Right. It's not not too of an escape from what the Democrats sort of do now a days in a way where it's like. Sure. It's similar that politicking in that regard. OK. All right. So and and Aaron supports that guy because he's like well that he. That's great. I think I believe. Right. Hamilton has a reputation for using insults, slights and vicious letters to attack anyone who stood in his way and he runs a smear campaign against Clinton. His attacks are classist which is brand new

to New York politics. You mean he's attacking Clinton's class or the class. OK. Got you. He makes fun of his modest beginnings. He insults his wife. He doesn't know what it's like to not be rich his whole life. He came from nothing. He would relate to the people he was representing. He said Clinton thought a constitutional convention was unnecessary and that he had quote a greater attachment to his own power than to the public good which describes himself. Hamilton. Right. OK. This is from a guy who hates democracy. Right. So Clinton wins. And he offers Aaron the state attorney attorney general position and he writes Aaron writes a report on criminal justice reform. Wow. He is against petty criminals

getting stricter punishments than major criminals and important people. Quote an unprejudiced mind will not readily admit the justice of sentencing to death him who forges an order for a pair of boots when he who steals a thousand pounds is sentenced to be whipped. Hmm. Legislators then called Aaron to unprejudiced. I just wish it would be nice to get back to the term like to fight battles on that level where you were like what did you say. He's not prejudiced enough. A lot of people today don't understand how good prejudices are. The more the better. It's important to go into situations having an opinion about something you don't know. That's how we decide improperly

which is the job of government. This fool is open minded to the plight of others that he doesn't directly understand. It's so crazy. Yeah. It's just so crazy. Yeah. So after a little bit Clinton decides to push Aaron to be a senator. OK. And he ends up getting elected to the Senate in 1791 by beating Philip Schuyler. Now Hamilton is in with the Skylers. Right. So much so that that's his father in law. Oh wow. And Hamilton is probably totally shocked that this has happened as they had just worked together on the moderates campaign. One paper said Aaron quote stood clear of party attachment.

He didn't think political disputes should become should come between friends. So he just thinks well I won this thing but I'm fine with Hamilton like we always have been. We work together on some stuff and right Hamilton however believes in party loyalty and Aaron's win decreases the political power of Hamilton and his family. OK. And he would spend the rest of his life after this win attacking Aaron politically and personally. He said Aaron was quote for or against nothing but as it suits his interest or ambition. Now think about all the things that Aaron has been for so far. It's true. He's kind of just been a guy who's going after his own career itself.

I mean again he's basically he's doing what they do which is just say the things that you are and say it's the other person so that you know. He frames Aaron as an unprincipled opportunist supporting whichever the way the political wind was blowing which is the guy who didn't want to run for office and the guy who wanted to free black people immediately and right wants to give women the vote and and has no party loyal. I mean I guess like yeah it's OK. He's incredibly principled. So as a senator Aaron supported growing the frontier military introducing an act to aid widows orphans and invalids and worked to get vets their pensions.

He hates the whole social. I can't believe they still were not giving veterans pensions all the way back then. Oh that's a huge thing after the the Revolutionary War is how fucked over the vets were. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can't believe that that has always been. It's amazing that it's amazing that this country is able to have the talking point of support the troops forever when that is not what the government is ever the opposite. Yes. Ever like support them going to fight and die and then that's where it ends. That's it. Then we're done. It's the same thing with children. Yeah. I was going to say it's sort of the pro

life version. Right. Or it's like get the baby here. Now what. You're fucking it. Fuck it. He doesn't like the social life in Philadelphia. He's not into the grand balls and fancy dinners where people are announced as they come in. He doesn't feel like he fits in with that kind of day. Honestly I'm starting to want to bang this guy. Really. Bucking every convention. He likes instead he likes small to get together. Everyone's casually. If you went to a ball back then like would everybody get introduced. Yeah because you're everyone getting invited is the party is just like a 45 minute like

and now and then just like continuing like Mr. and Mrs. Kevin Andrews. Yeah. Yeah. There you are. And next Mr. and Mrs. Andrew Kevin's. Yeah. That's the Lord and Lady. Lord and Lady douchebag the Lord and Lady douchebag. What are you working on? Yeah. Douchebag. What are you working on? So he just like small get togethers casual dress meaningful discussions. He also just he hates being away from his wife and family. He wants to be around the kids and his wife. He loves their letters. He scolds them if the letters are too short or too vague. So now Theo Theo is now nine. He's so proud of her letters that he shows

them to his colleagues at work. Wow. But he's also critical of her misspellings and calls her messy handwriting hydroglip hydroglipics. Wow. OK. But he makes he makes sure to tell her he's proud of her. Now his wife is becoming more and more ill. She she hasn't gotten better since the birth and she has stomach cancer. Oh wow. Sometimes she's unable to sit up on May 18 1794. She dies. But even though she was sick it was still unexpected. And Aaron has now lost his best friend. So he's obviously in bad shape. He he's now he. So the party that's formed that is the Democratic Republicans is what she now is. OK. The Federalists want to boot this guy

that is elected as a Democratic Republican named Senator Albert Gallatin because he'd only been a citizen for eight years and you're supposed to be a citizen for nine years to be a senator. And is that something you figure out before they get into the Senate. Well the people just voted him in. OK. So then they're like now now it matters. OK. They hated him because he told people to rebel against Hamilton's whiskey tax. He was also Swiss and had a French accent and the Federalists hate the French. So that's just an amazing reason to be like. Well he's telling people the rebel against the whiskey tax. What else that damn accent. Come on. It is impossible for us to. Why would

we have to pay tax for whiskey. So I was saying is that you know it's you pay for it there. Why would you have to pay additional. Well look they the Federalists hate immigrants. Which is weird because in the Hamilton they act like he's an immigrant and loves immigrants which is the absolute opposite of what I'm not going to let you do is ruin Hamilton for me. Many many Federalists thought only Anglo-Americans deserved citizenship. Hamilton was adamantly opposed to opening immigration. Wow. I mean it's amazing that this country this country is it's amazing what happens when you move to America. You just get everything. All right. Now that we're immigrants who moved here no more. It's over. I don't know. I don't know

if we can call Hamilton an immigrant. You know he's raised on. But I mean like you're so in. What's that. He's he's from a. But I mean the start of the country is so recent to be like anti-immigrant. Well people always people always get there and then turn around and go fuck you. That's always. Well that's what I mean. But it's just like it's not like now where you forget your hit like we're talking like not long ago this happened and he's like imagine America letting people in from other countries. What they're also they're fine with people coming from England or right there against anybody south of that basically. Yeah I mean it's yeah. So Aaron thinks you just have to participate in civil society which

Gallatin has done. He also fought in the army against the British. So he's like this guy is done. All he can do. Yeah. Yeah. He's an American. This Aaron's like where you're where you're born is irrelevant. Federalist called Gallatin a foreigner. Wow. After which he is right. Are we going to write Burr the musical. If the motherfucker who wrote Hamilton had a brain he would have written Burr the musical because he is everything Burr is everything that he thinks he believes in and Hamilton is the opposite. Hamilton in 1946 in a congressional a congressional 1946 in a congressional report about Nazism. They said that Hamilton had Nazi beliefs in 1946. Hamilton is a fucking fascist motherfucker. Wow. Okay. So by the way

I'm just thinking I don't remember that part of the musical. Federalists end up voting out Gallatin down a party line. And yeah. So that's who they are. Anti-American voting a guy out of Congress. Right. Now Aaron opposed something called the J Treaty which was written by Hamilton to keep peace between the US and Britain. And Democratic Republicans worried it would hurt their ties to France. And it's still ratified 20 to 10. But Republicans who voted against it including Aaron are called the patriotic 10 by their other Republicans. Like they're like these guys believe in the country as opposed to. Right. Effigies are burned of J. Around America. Hamilton tries to talk to a mob in New York and he is stone.

If they're I like that. Wait. So you're telling me that they're burning J's and someone gets done. They threw rocks at Hamilton. He stoned him as he tried to give a speech about defending how the treaty was put together in secret. And they're they're like that's not democracy. But he doesn't believe in democracy. Can we get back to the stonings. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. That feels like the right. Like that feels like that could be quite effective. Just stoning Pelosi and McConnell. Now you will stop. Stop. Stop throw those stones at me right now. Those stones hurt me. Stop it. Now moderates like Aaron. He's not he's not tied to one political party. But that's exactly why Aaron says he has no principles because he's not attached

to a party. That's why Hamilton says he has no principles. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. So Aaron runs for New York governor in 1795 and then president in 1796. Politicians are supposed to act completely disinterested in elections at this time. They're supposed to act like oh I don't want to do that. Oh no no no. And then everyone else. You mean once once they're on the ballot. Oh no you're OK. So you're saying like the whole whole process. I would never. Oh get out of here. No. And then meanwhile behind closed doors you're like really push me tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All getting all the friends. No. Frank is wonderful. He's possibly a gentleman. I'm not going to hear another word of it. I'm

a private citizen and that's the way Frank Frank Frank. Yes. I mean that's yes. OK. Right. So that's how they're supposed to act. But Aaron doesn't care. He openly campaigns and this is fucking shocking. Like everyone's like what is happening. What the hell. One federalist described him as quote a certain little senator running about the streets whispering soft things in people's ears. I'm looking to win. I am a ASMR. OK. It's so strange to what a strange little convention that was. Yeah. It really is wasn't it. Yeah. So he ends up losing both those elections but his campaign style sort of it changes the way campaign. Yeah. Now you could have said you want to be president. Yeah right. I mean amazing

that you be not wanting to be president was I honestly like that is in a way how I would want government form today. But obviously. Yeah. Just be a conceit. You know. But that's what you want. You don't. It does take a certain amount of deep mental issues to want to be in government now because your mind is so aimed at corruption. You know for the most right. You have to be kind of like a lunatic. OK. In 1797 his Senate term ends and he goes back to New York. He's now in tons of debt mostly from the financial leaving the Senate with debt. Well a massive financial crisis has hit the same as the Great Depression. It's that bad. The financial crisis was basically

created by a guy named Alexander Hamilton. Oh you mean Alexander Hamilton. Yes. As Treasury Secretary he pushed for US debt so his banker friends could extract income from people via federal taxes. So create a debt own the banks tax the people to pay off the interest of the debt thereby just taxing people to give money to your friends the bankers. I don't understand. But at least we got away from it. Just a straight up transfer of money from the poor to the rich. So right. Interest rates shot up because now this price. This is very this financial monopoly rules. Right. And the rich own all the debt. Poor ex revolutionary soldiers who now farmers are paying taxes they don't have which leads to a foreclosure

crisis and an economic an economic contraction similar to the Great Depression. Guys like Aaron lost a bunch. All Hamilton's doing. Right. Anyway. Strange. Strange doesn't doesn't ring true today. Yeah. So Aaron ran for I was elected to the New York State Assembly. So essentially he went backwards. Right. You usually go assembly then up to the Senate but he's like right. He's a headliner. I want to get stuff. Seeing. Yeah. But he's like I want to get stuff done. Right. So he networked with a lot of powerful Virginians like Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe. He and Monroe really got along. Now Alexander Hamilton is a very petty individual and he had been part of 12 dual challenges in his life receiving

or giving them. And suddenly he decides to send off a very angry letter to Monroe over something that happened four years before. The reason for that is his his career Hamilton's career has been in a bit of a tailspin ever since. So he's looking to spike the ratings a little bit with a little dual action. Well he's just fucking mad. It's not even spiked the ratings. It's just to one guy. He's just grudge. OK. At this guy. It's a grudge. OK. He thought Monroe was the cause and accused Monroe of leaking information about the affair he was having. Now the affair he was having was where he was sleeping with a guy's wife and paying the guy to fuck his wife. What a weird little quiet. OK. So very something

the kind of person you want to do a musical about. Yeah. Right. But Monroe's like look I didn't fucking spill that shit. That wasn't me. And Hamilton calls Monroe a liar and Monroe calls Hamilton a scoundrel and then Hamilton challenges him to a duel. Right. Sort of kind of kind. So Hamilton then picks Aaron to be as go between. So Hamilton is now bringing messages back and forth. Burris. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Aaron. Aaron is bringing messages back and forth. Right. Historian Joanne Freeman is the dual liaison. Delusion. Dual liaison. Historian Joanne Freeman said they spent months sending letters back and forth saying quote ready to fight when you are. So they're both just like. All right guys. Look guys honestly

this is what did he say. Yeah. He's ready to do it too. All right. Take this one. I'm ready whenever. Would you want to schedule it. No no no. Just send that one. You tell him I'm ready to go when he wants to go. All right here. He says he's ready to go. He does. Huh. You let him know I'm ready and I'm willing to do it. OK. He says he's ready and he's willing to do it. Oh. Oh well you let him know. So why. Well I don't want to when he was right. I'm ready when he is. Should we talk about scheduling because I feel like we the past. Tell him I'm ready when he is. I'm right here whenever he wants it. I'm right here. OK. Soon I really think we should probably. OK. So he says he's ready to do this. He's

right there. He's right there is he. Well you let him know I'm right here and I'm equally ready to do this. Do we want to just maybe put a date in the calendar. Let him know I'm ready to do this. All right. Look he he's also ready to do this and he's over there. So why don't we start talking about a date. We can at least put a pin in it and we can start to kind of maybe a week or something. You know what I mean. So maybe we do something like I don't know. You tell him. No I'm not going to tell him. No no no let's let's get it. Let's get a date. Let's get a date. When he's ready to set a date. He's ready. I'm ready and I'm right here. You tell him I'm right here. I'm ready to go. I go there with

a specific date. Maybe that would help. No. Just tell him when he's ready to set a date. I'm ready to go. But you're ready to. So he says that he's ready to set a date. I would love to set a date. Tell him it's a date and do it like that. Make it kind of snarky. Do you want to pick a weaker. No just let him know I'm ready to set a date and then quote it's a date. All right. He says it's a date and he wants to please how about the 20. Please. So Aaron thinks for some reason the whole thing is childish and silly. What about it. It goes on for six months. It's just a dual four play. That's right. I'm ready whatever. The whole time Aaron is trying to quell it to stop it. In the end it just never happens

and no one is really sure why it just does. I know why we just heard. Yeah. Yeah. Now Aaron lives in Albany and Theo comes to live with him. She lives in like six months and then goes back to her husband every year basically. Like I said they're super close like they just wait. She lives with him for six months and lives with her husband for six months. Yeah. She was having she was also having health. She was also having health issues so she and for some reason wanted to be up north. Right. The Republicans now the Republicans mostly appeal to rural voters. But Aaron is a little bit different and he appeals to craft craftsman and mechanic. So urban workers. Right. Who are traditionally federalist voters. Hmm.

So Aaron cross over appeal. Yes. And he comes up with an agenda that will help the urban guys fair taxes debt relief. He wants to give middle class voters more power and privilege and banking. No yellow fever hits New York City. And that means they need fresh water. Sure. So a proposal comes about to create a company to supply fresh water to the city. A private company and it's put forth by Aaron's brother-in-law tapping. Who's a doctor now. Oh tapping. I believe tapping is a doctor. Yeah. I don't think he has another brother. I don't like that. OK. Unless it could be his wife's whatever. So we call it a birther in law. OK. Go ahead. Now Aaron's name is not involved in the report

that the brother-in-law puts forward. He just does it as a separate citizen. But he's behind it. Aaron's behind it. Burr is behind it. Yeah. OK. But his name appears nowhere in this recommendation for a but this would be a good thing. Yeah. OK. He because he wants to use the company to break the federalist monopoly on New York banks to help middle class. So the federalists are in complete control of all the banking 100 percent. And they use it to exclude the people they don't like. Right. So you can't get a loan if you're not on board with their bullshit. Wow. I'm not going to go into details but the depth of Aaron's plans and organization to make this happen are fucking incredible

and the foresight. So I'm not like I'm like you'll you'll see it comes from a water right. I just said water company right. Yeah. Yeah. And he's trying to figure out a water company and then we'll break up the banks. How's that. Yes. So he convinces the federalists and Hamilton that the city doesn't have enough money for the water project. So they do need a private company. The Manhattan company is what it's called. We'll take control of the water and build out the water infrastructure. Aaron puts Hamilton's brother in law on the board of the company which helps get Hamilton into it. And Hamilton ends up pushing for the company the private company and the federalists slowly get on board. And after they agree and right

before it goes to be voted on Aaron inserts a clause that allows the Manhattan company to use surplus capital for other purposes. So it's a water company that money they make can now be used for other things. Right. So he's so potentially he's creating like a water trojan horse for social programs. Not even social programs just a bank. OK. As long as the company provides water to the city the Manhattan company cannot be shut down by the government. And then the Manhattan company used the surplus to make a bank. So he has created an alternative to the federalist banks by coming up with a way to give fresh water. And since that water company makes money he turns that into a bank. So now you

have he's making like a credit union essentially. He's making a bank for tradesmen and people who can't get a regular person. Right. Right. Yeah. So now. And Hamilton's like wait wait a second. I pushed for this. And essentially he he knew what he was doing. And if he if this hadn't if he didn't need a bank he probably would have just had the city government pay for it. Like he. Right. He privatized it so that they could break the federalist monopoly. That's amazing. And to this day it's I think I believe it's still the same thing as long as the company is producing water it's well that rule is still in place. So it's days are numbered you're telling me. Yes. So Aaron set the public shares at a very

low price the middle class could invest and poor people could borrow from the bank. But Aaron heard about it. Wait. Oh. Wait what. This got all fucked up. Sorry. The federalists were pissed. Yeah I bet fucking pissed. They one rich federalist said now that the middle class could get bank loans the entire financial system would topple. God it's so it's like a Hank Paulson of the time. I mean now the whole system is going to fall apart. It's like now your system is going to fall apart. Now there might be some equality. One one federalist is so angry that he sent a dual challenge letter looking like it was from Aaron to a prominent banker. He was hoping to set up a duel between Aaron and another

guy like a dual parent trap basically. It's like a fucking it's like a 1700s swatting like. Yeah. Right. But Aaron Aaron somehow heard about it and sent a letter at the same time saying he had nothing to do with it. That's not a bitch wants to do it. Wait give me that. Oh don't. Oh never mind. OK fine. If you hadn't done that then that guy would be like let's go. Yeah. Yeah. So the water company created a very successful bank for the general public. Hamilton is furious. But the water company also cut corners when building pipes and problems like backups and low water pressure were common. Water wasn't always the cleanest. Worst of all it eventually became Chase Bank. Oh God almighty. No. That's

the end of part one of. I don't love that end part a lot. Research is done by Brittany Brown sources fallen founder the life of Aaron Burr by Nancy Eisenberg the private journal of Aaron Burr memoirs of Aaron Burr Hamilton Burr Hamilton and Jefferson a studying character by Roger Kennedy founding brothers the revolutionary generation by Joseph Ellis American Emperor Aaron Burr's challenge to Jefferson's America by David Stewart life and times of Aaron Burr James Parton a remarkable the remarkable rise of Eliza Jumail Margaret Oppenheimer the treason trial of Aaron Burr Kent Newton and yeah that's it. Next week part two. Can we do part three next and then do part two. I think people would like that. Any idea how

anything works buddy. I'm trying to spice it up. Let's enjoy this. Let's lean in. Let's it's three unorthodox. How's that. Yeah man that was awesome what I just did. We're hot. We're so hot right now. Yeah. Love you.