The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 541 - Aaron Burr - Part 3

Episode Date: July 12, 2022

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killed Alexander Hamilton and become America's biggest villain. And he doesn't know that the check's in the mail for one of our greatest musicals. That's right. And he doesn't know he killed, he probably, it was probably the best founding father to kill. It would be Hamilton in my opinion. The worst founding father. So many others saw him as a failed political opportunist. Aaron, right? Even his own party members are like, Aaron always needed a project to keep him going. So now that his political life is destroyed, he decided... Painting, dance. Deep sea fishing.

Filibuster. He's gonna be a professional filibuster, right? Which is to invade a non-U.S. territory. Often seen as very patriotic at the time, but illegal unless the U.S. is at war. Well, I also love the way that, like, we've just been, any of the, like, it's amazing how we uphold the Constitution and all that stuff. And then it's just like, well, you know, if we're at perpetual war, we can always do that. Always take stuff. Yeah. So the U.S. and Spain right now, at this point, are close to war. And Aaron thought, well, if that happened, he'd like to get himself some Spanish territory in Mexico. Okay. And this he hope would turn

around his financial situation and also get his reputation back, right? He'd done something very patriotic for the country and people would be like, yay, Aaron Burr again. Wait, why? Just because he takes, he gets some land, so he will claim it as like U.S. territory. You're essentially doing it for the U.S. You made us bigger. Yeah. You made us bigger. The goal is to be the biggest. I think it would be like a U.S. territory, not, whatever, it's associated with the U.S. It's not a state, but it's your own independently run. Right. So Jefferson figured, you know, look, some citizens are going to conquer Spanish land for America by filibustering and he wanted

to expand plantations, you know, so because they had so many slaves, he could expand that awesome market. Jefferson was all about that. So Aaron's against slavery, which worried Jefferson administration that Aaron could set up a place where slaves could escape to. So that's a little worrying, right? You don't want that. That would be a place of, yeah. And by the way, I mean, you know, if they're free and they start talking, they might really start to get furious. Yeah. And then who knows? Little time to regroup. So Aaron also, Aaron's also friendly with Native Americans, whereas Jefferson wanted to kill or enslave them. So that's another thing like Aaron could have a place where Native Americans are comfortable

living their life, which would be terrifying. Let's call it America. It is amazing how like that. I guess that behavior doesn't age great. And these are the people who are always like, these are the ones they have the best system. We need to adhere to the things they came up with. You're like, you mean these guys? These are the dudes that you're like, come on, don't fuck with it. They knew everything. They knew everything. What about all the slaves of genocide? Okay, they got they goofed. They had one big goof. Okay, they goofed a couple of times there, but everything else they're totally right on. If your uncle had a slave, would you listen to him about anything else? Oh my God, can you imagine? Would you be like

my uncle has really good ideas about banking? Oh, also he has slaves and people would be like, Oh, come on, you guys are going to hold that against him. He's got a really good jobs program idea. He's a slave holder. I know I'm against it too. I hear you on that. So Aaron travels to the south in April 1805, 3000 miles in seven months. People people enjoyed having them out there. Like, maybe there's a city's didn't like him. But when he went out there, people like, Oh, and burrs here. And they opened their doors to him. He recruited Senator Jonathan Dayton of New Jersey to do the filibustering with and also General James Wilkinson, who was then the highest ranking military officer in the United

States and the Louisiana governor. Okay, so he that's a big guess. Yeah, that's a huge get. These two guys, Wilkinson and Burr had served together in the Revolutionary War under Benedict Arnold. Can I just ask a random question? Did any white guy ever try to enslave a white guy? Did that ever happen? There are tons of there are tons of white slaves indentured servitude is slavery, like you're a slave. Right. No, there's a lot. Okay. Okay. That's actually probably a whole different episode, but there are definitely white slaves. So white slaves just doesn't feel like a term you hear a lot. That's fine. He had been part of a conspiracy to replace Wilkinson. He had been part of a conspiracy to replace George

Washington as commander with Horatio Gates in 1778. Then he had to resign for the military in 1781 to do rumors of corruption. Okay, then he tried to make his fortune in Kentucky and ended up in New Orleans, where he tried to make a deal with the Spanish to import beef and tobacco and slaves to do that. Wilkinson had to renounce his US citizenship. And then the Spanish made an import deal with him. He also got a Spanish pension, but then his business failed anyway. And he rejoined the US Army in 1791. I didn't mean it. Come on, can I please give me that boombox? I'm going to hold it above my head. I'm so sorry. I love you guys. In retrospect, I was just trying to get a bunch

of beef here. I was just trying to get a bunch of beef. Beef. For you guys. For you guys. We could be grilling. So he had already had a high rank when he resigned. So he very quickly became a Brigadier General in a year for the US Army. And in 1797, he became the commanding general of the US Army. So the guy who's the commanding general of the US Army in 1797 is a guy who bailed on the military, started working with the Spanish, we probably didn't know he renounced his citizenship, but he renounced his citizenship and then came back years later and was like, can I do it again? And the military was like, yeah. And now he's atop the military. Now he's leading it all, which, yeah. And he's still getting a Spanish

pension while he's... Oh, wow. Because he's working both sides. He's giving information to both sides. He's a double agent sort of deal. So this is the guy that you team up with. So... Yeah. Okay. There's some of the shine starting to come off. When Jefferson was elected, Wilkinson went to D.C. He got it with Jefferson, and that's how he got the command in Louisiana. Wilkinson had a lot of trouble living within his means. Journalist Thomas Ritchie said he had a, quote, devotion to frivolous pomp. Oh, so he's one of those frivolous pomp guys. He likes fancy stuff, I guess. Yeah. He's just kind of tossing it around for events and things like that. Yeah. Like he's like... He's a... He's a... He's

took down pageantry. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He's that sort of guy. That's cool. Wilkinson had a... He's a real housewife. Wilkinson had a military presence right on the border of the Spanish territory, and he's perfectly placed for a filibuster if war breaks out. Wait. He had... Sorry. Say that again. He's in Louisiana, so he has an army right on the border of Spanish territory, which is New Orleans and Florida. It's so funny, though, to have an army where they're like... Because they would just be like, yeah, but you're like getting a pension from us. He's like, shh, I'm just trying to look super intimidating to him. Yeah. That's... He's not telling the Spanish that he's going to invade.

Because when he shows up, they'll be like, hey, Wilkinson, what the fuck's with all the troops? So Aaron had no idea Wilkinson is spying on the US for Spain and vice versa. He doesn't know that's happening. So... It's quite a guy. They had started meeting while Burr was still VP, and as his time was wrapping up there, and they had more and more meetings, more and more frequent. Aaron also got a wealthy Irishman and political radical named Herman of Blennerhasset involved. That's right. Of the Blennerhassets. Herman had had to flee Ireland because his wife was also his niece, and that would be a scandal. But to be fair, she was my favorite niece. If that helps with anything.

So Herman bought an island on the Ohio River in what is now West Virginia, and there he built a mansion in headland. Okay. And that's where Aaron's men were going to gather. Welcome to Free Neesland, the only place where you can bury your niece and be fine. Yeah, there's no judgment here if you marry your niece, and by the way, I want to open it up to aunts who want to marry their nephews. So we don't frown upon that sort of thing here. Welcome to Neesland. Free Neesland. Okay. That actually makes me not want to stay, so...

Well we don't want your kind if you're going to come over here and judge us for, you know, marrying our sister's daughters, the things of that nature. It's definitely awful. It's, yeah, it's awful. Well, you know, some of us feel like, you know, the family tree sometimes is, you know, it's got branches that grow inside of itself to some extent. No, don't. Don't. What? Yeah, it's just...

Just saying the tree maybe has, like, its own, like, prickly fingers going inside of itself. Okay. I think we all need to... By the way, you should see our farmer's market. No. It's absolutely top notch. What's in it?

Man, just fruits and vegetables and things to buy your niece and your nephew and stuff like that, you know, but... Oh, and we got this guy who makes little clay pots. Uh-huh. Yeah. A great gift for your wife, who's probably, you know, again, your brother's daughter. Yeah, she's not. Or again, if you... No.

What am I just saying? If he could, potentially, if he wanted it to be, it could easily be, you know... She's not. She's completely outside of my family. Your brother's son. Yeah, she's not. Your wife is. No. No, she's...

Yeah, no relation. No relation to you. At all. Nope. Well, you know, a lot of times they say, if you trace far enough back, you'll find out you're related to everyone. So it's... No, they don't.

It's not the same thing. Yeah. No, that's it. It's a date. You know, they say that, uh... You know, my point is here in Free New Zealand, you're not supposed to give the eyes of judgment because, you know, you don't know where, uh, potentially some... You know, I mean, gosh, it doesn't, you know, marry a cousin, date your mom, you know, fuck

your dad, whatever, you know, it's all, we're all technically related anyway. I mean, if you really think about a family tree, is it anything more than just a bindle of sticks, you know? Have you considered renaming it Kreepland? Well, we have Kreep County, but that's for the people who, you know, that's for people who, you know, date their... Yeah, we have a county called that. It's for people who date their dogs.

Okay. It's for dog daters. Which, again, we don't love, but where are they supposed to go? Yeah, sure. They need a place to. So, uh... We had a guy who married a pigeon. Yeah.

No, I bet that didn't last long. No, no. Nah. You're right. It's, uh... Lifespandas is incongruent. Go ahead. Do you have a story you're going to tell me?

So, um, Aaron's filibuster army would gather there at the island in head-south. So... Quite an honor. So, now, Aaron's movements are leading to rumors, right, because he's kind of hanging on all over the place. He's well-known, um, so he's noticed wherever he goes. Plus, when he went to places like Nashville, Andrew Jackson held a parade for him and had a banquet in his honor.

Okay. So, he's traveling around from place to place in the west to get his filibuster in order, and soon newspapers are writing about... What are the odds you think that Andrew Jackson tried to give him a little cheese? Again, just to mark it back to the episode where Andrew Jackson had 800 pounds of cheese. He was trying to get rid of, like, it was Brewster's millions. We still have some cheese if you want some cheese. Oh, no, I'm, uh...

No, you've already given him, like, 50 pounds of cheese. Yeah, so... You gave me 50 pounds of cheese. I really can't... Oh, it's 51. Imagine using... Or 60. That's not fun.

The whole thing is I don't even think I'm going to be able to use 50 pounds. I mean, it's so much cheese. So, here's what I'm saying. After sandwiches and fondue-ing and nacho-ing, I just feel like I'll have 40 pounds left over. I will give you a donation... Why are you going to have your knees? I will give you a donation...

Of what? ...for the filibuster. If you wear shirts and say, cheese it up in Nashville. Cheese it up in Nashville, pink shirts, so they can see you coming. No, you've given me so much cheese. And again, I cannot... I'm very excited to have some more of it. But, uh...

We have more. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want more. I don't want more. I don't want more. He says he wants more. Go ahead and bring the rest of the cheese up. No, he did not say that.

Oh, my God, he's rolling it? Cheese it up in Nashville. That's who we are. I... Cheese it up. So soon newspapers are writing about what's going on and questioning what Aaron Burr is up to. And the U.S.

Gazette in Philadelphia suggested he was going to hostily seize New Orleans and then call on Western states to secede and create a new country. Wow. And that's just total... Purely made up. Malarkey. 100% made up. Wow.

So soon a bunch of papers are just writing what they thought he was up to, his enemies published stories that he was recruiting young men to take over Western American states and create his own country where he'd be emperor and he'd do the same thing in Mexico. Emperor Burr. Emperor... Yeah. Emperor Burr. Either one.

Six on this hand. So even now Spain is getting worried because they're hearing these things and so Spain moved 600 soldiers from Havana to Pensacola, Florida and 1300 more are moved to the border of Louisiana and Texas. But those 1300 are moved there because Wilkinson told them to. I don't understand why though. Okay. If he's...

I don't know why he told them to move those men either but he's always playing a game and he's always up to a bunch of different shits so who knows. Right. But for some reason he's okay. He is still trying to play both sides even though he's putting together... He's working with this guy to invade but he also could be working with the Spanish to stop the invasion and get credit. So he's...

I mean he's kind of partially like, we need to go in there and charge right away. Hey, you guys defend it. We're going to charge from over here so really get those guys over. Yeah. Get in the back so don't shoot my way. Yeah. Yes. So the people who thought Aaron had tried to take the presidency from Jefferson back

when in 1800. Which he didn't. Which was total bullshit. But they now completely... They're now the people who are like, all right, he's trying to take the West Coast and become an emperor. Exactly. 100%.

Right. And Aaron's group has Federalists and Republicans which to them is like, why are they working together? What the fuck is that shit? Like... That's a red flag. Yeah. Cooperation.

Get out of here. So Jefferson got anonymous letters warning that Aaron wanted to overthrow his administration and was doing some bad stuff out West. But Jefferson doesn't believe it. What did... Yeah, I was going to say. Wouldn't he think it's bullshit because he knows him and he like knows that he... You know, what they've talked about and speculated about.

Well not only that but they had just had dinner together. Aaron came out to DC and they had dinner together so he's like, I just talked to him. It just never came up when we were having seafood. I don't know if that's right. And also during that dinner, Jefferson had said, we're probably not going to war with Spain. It doesn't look like a war is going to happen. So Aaron then, when he hears that, he goes to buy land.

Now he's just like, I'm just going to buy land and have some property and start a settlement. And Wilkinson's like, get the plan. We should still invade. But then after a short time, in the spring of 1806, Aaron starts recruiting men again for another trip south. They're from well-known military families, adventurers, doctor, and he goes to Hermanns Island and orders boats to be built to take men down the river. And to marry their nieces.

Is that what you need? That's no. We're willing to. There's no problem. How many of you, let me, let's do a show of hands. Who here wants to marry their niece? Because you are in the right place if you're looking to niece marry. Don't worry about that at all.

No one put their hand on it. As we like to say, niece ain't just a place in France. It's also a state of mind. Okay. We're going to take off on the boats now. Take it, but may I suggest something? Nope. If you have a niece that you're attracted to, there's nothing wrong with marrying her.

I could not disagree more. So as long as you're not judging me because I married my niece, I'm absolutely judging you. I think you're a horrific human being. So you want to marry your gran? That's allowed. I'm not. I don't want to marry my gran.

Summer autumn started. Okay. Well, she's dead. All right. That doesn't matter. You're allowed to marry the dead here. Okay. If there's anywhere you could marry the dead, it's here.

And we're on the boats going down the river. And I'm swimming behind you and I've got more stuff to throw your way. So he meets with Andrew Jackson again and recruits some more men from his militia. Some respected families, even some, the son of a senator comes along and Jackson gives him money. So this is kind of like coach K, but for an army. That's right. That's right.

Did you see how many Duke players went into the draft? Oh, I can imagine. It's like the whole team. It's really crazy. So this is happening because the Spanish are threatening war again along the Mexican border. And in Kentucky, a newspaper editor named John Wood starts publishing articles accusing Aaron of treasonous activity. And one of Aaron's friends was also accused along with Aaron and he challenges Wood to

a duel, which is normal for Wood because Wood is nicknamed the fighting editor because he printed so much bullshit and was dumb. And because all the dual challenges he got from just printing fucking nonsense. But his paper is widely read. People read it all over and then other papers reprint what he says. So that's what's happening now. Kentucky's US. He's kind of the inquirer to some extent.

Yeah. Yeah. Kentucky's US district attorney, Joseph Hamilton, Davies wrote Jefferson repeatedly saying, Aaron is plotting against you and America. And Jefferson's just ignoring the letter. He's like, he's not. I know the guy. But then Jefferson gets one from his general postmaster and the postmaster said a general

Eaton told him he also thought Aaron was planning to carve out a Western empire and then overthrow Jefferson and the US government. Is it is it just like, are there, I mean, I know it's total bullshit, but and I know total bullshit always spreads. But is there like, why, how, how are they all buying this? I think, I think once people have designated you as a bad guy, they will believe almost anything negative that is said about you. And they are still just so specific to have like that level of, well, he is doing it.

Sure it's coming from. He is trying to filibuster, but that's legal if there's a war. So he is trying to do something. He is, but it's totally separate from he's trying to become the empire of emperor of California. Yes. But they don't believe, I think at this point they don't believe he would do something for the United States.

Because remember, they hate him. They just hate him. Right. He killed him. But also based on bullshit. It's all just nonsense. If you can imagine America, American people buying into bullshit. I don't like to think of our country like that, sir.

Not my stars and bars. You take that tongue lashing off of Lady Liberty. So when he gets a message from the postmaster general, he's like, and it comes with a couple written statements by Eaton and somebody else. So he's like, okay, this is a thing. And he calls Jefferson calls a cabinet meeting for over two days. Everyone meet me in this cupboard with no proof. But just hearsay and ridiculous paper articles, they decide to send word to all the Western

governors to tell them to monitor Aaron and arrest him as soon as they have a reason. Once he does anything, arrest him. But the U.S. district attorney in Kentucky, device, got tired of waiting. And he charges Aaron and a friend with planning a Mexican invasion and a takeover of all the Western states. So they're like, look, he will stumble. He will do something. The second he spits on the ground illegally, you arrest him.

Okay? And then one guy's like, I can't wait. You're under arrest for trying to become the emperor of the West Coast. You son of a bitch. He's like, what? You did. I know what you're going to do. You're trying to become the emperor of the United States of the West Coast.

You son of a bitch. Put your hands behind your back. You are under arrest for treasonous actions, even if they were just fabricated in your own mind. You are not allowed to do that. Not in my country. Put your hands behind your back. You have the right to remain silent.

I guess I don't have to do these anymore, do I? No. Oh, that's good news. All right. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. So there's zero proof. There's like no evidence whatsoever.

And well, you probably also didn't want him to know that specifically. Yeah, I would think so. I would think they jumping the gun is bad. There's some strategy. Yeah. Let him, let him incriminate himself and then arrest him. This guy's like. Yeah.

And then talk to him. Yeah, but this guy just sees him and just can't help it. Yeah. So when called to testify, editor John Wood, the fighting editor, admitted he had no proof about his assertions and had now changed his mind and didn't think Aaron was doing any of that stuff. He's like, no, I printed it on page six under my oopsies. You got to go read my oopsies.

It's all my retractions, my oopsie poopsies. So Aaron has found not guilty, but the jury wrote the jury also wrote a document stating how foolish and vindictive device was. So not only is Aaron not guilty, but they're like the U.S. district attorney is a fucking idiot. We want to put that down officially. That's awesome. He's like, well, they didn't need to do that.

Well, that was I know we were just looking for innocent or guilty. We didn't need the other. We find Bernard guilty and also this guy's a total shithead. Just total shithead. It was way wrong and careless and shit fuck and shit ass. So Aaron's free. But the charges make that just the charges happening made people sure that he's up to something.

They're like, well, he got charged. He had to. Which happens? Which happens all the time. 100%. Aaron. Just keep saying, I had no plans to try and break up the U.S. He's saying it's absurd. It's an absurd idea.

This is not what I'm doing. But his allies are worried and now his allies, as has happened before with him, don't want to be associated with him because they're like, OK, keep your distance. Right. Right. Wilkinson. Wilkinson then decides to betray Aaron. Wait a minute, Wilkinson is going to play a couple of sides.

Right. So he's been watching both sides and now he decides Aaron has little to no chance of succeeding with the filibuster idea and he wants to keep his name separate from Aaron's name while increasing his power in Louisiana. So he signs a truce with the Spanish, which kills a possibility of war and the filibuster. And then Wilkinson sends a letter to Jefferson saying he heard someone was amassing a huge army nearby to take over New Orleans and then from there invade Mexico and then fight the U.S.

He tried. It's amazing that it really is just like, it's just founded on zero. Zero. So everyone, like, it's just gossip. Yeah. Which is what's... It's like national security gossip. It's, I mean, this is no different than Trump saying the election was stolen.

It's all just the same. It's all, it just made up nonsense. No. Actually, if that, you know, I would say that like one of the things that Trump does and did so effectively is he just keeps saying the bullshit and it has this way of just, some of it just sticks because the media overreports it, overreports it as bullshit. But they also bring on someone to fight the other side of it. And so, yeah.

That's what's happening here. Right? The foundation of it. It's the same thing. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And it's also then, then grifters for their own personal gain hop on and find ways to

use it to make themselves. Sure. Newspaper editors can sell more... Get Twitter followers. Right. And newspaper guy can sell more papers if he makes up bullshit about Aaron Burr, right? It's all, you know. And then Sean Spicers on Dancing with the Stars, anyway.

So Wilkins had tried to make this dramatic when he sent the, he sent a messenger with the message to Jefferson and he told the messenger to wait until he was in front of Jefferson and then take off a shoe and in there have the message like it's so secret that nobody can find it and then hand it to the president. This is shoe level secret, do you understand me? This is not in your jacket or even in your hand. I would say not even your pocket or the back of your trousers. You don't even put something like this between your butt cheeks.

This is a shoe note. Yes. If it's so important, can I put it in my ass? I already covered that and no, that I think will be too much for Jefferson. This is a shoe level importance. How about... So what you get from the shoe is, please don't pitch the ass again. Under the balls.

What you get from the shoe, no, no, look, you're going to be riding all the way over there. And by the way, I don't want it in the shoe the whole time. Get there, have it in your pocket, then make it look like it was in your shoe the whole time. And by, look, I've told you about this ball stuff before. When it's not in the shoe. In the past, when you have put it in your balls, they sweat too much and then the letter, the ink runs.

And it's not in the shoe when I'm just keeping it out of the shoe. It'll be in your jacket pocket. Don't suggest your balls or ass. Can I put it under my balls? No, no, no, there's nothing, no, no, okay, no is in a word. Just to be clear, put it in your jacket pocket, one of those side pockets right there. Then once you get close to the White House, put it in your shoe and make it seem like you rode the whole way over there with it in your shoe.

I want to remind you. The point is not to touch your balls. I want to remind you that you signed a three-year messenger contract with me and you're kind of stuck. Yes, but that's before I knew you had this ball letter fetish. It's not a fetish. It's just a very important way to keep messages safe. Look, I request that when you're giving the president a letter, it is not transferred

under your scrotum, okay, please. We will see what we can do. Listen. But we're the experts. When you said you were a package service, I didn't make the connection of, well, it is a misleading title, okay. Please just put it in your shoe. Good day.

My God. Mr. President, I have something I'm ready to give you. Let me just get my balls out. So then the letter is presented and it says, he said it was written, a letter was written by Aaron Burr, which called the cipher letter. And it said Aaron was coming to Wilkinson in New Orleans with men and maybe a British naval power to carry out, quote, our project, the takeover, right? So Wilkinson lied and said Aaron was going to invade New Orleans and altered parts of

the letter, changing our project to the project to remove himself from the plan. He helped create, right? So you remember? Well, by the way, very, very crafty. You know, it used to be our project, now it's the project. They'll never have any idea I was involved in this. That letter is not even written by Aaron anyway. So whatever.

He just fabricated evidence, basically. Wilkinson asked the governor in New Orleans for martial law there, which would put him in charge and allow him to arrest all the pro-Burr conspirators and supporters in the city. Because Burr has men in New Orleans and the governor's like, no, that's too much. So Wilkinson then begins arresting conspirators who could dispute his side of the story. So anybody who knows Wilkinson is involved, he's now arresting. And that's kind of what he was trying to do before.

I mean, and essentially, when he talks to the governor, he's like, will you make me the governor? And the governor's like, no, please, come on. I think it's time to declare martial law so I can be the governor for a little while. No, I'm not going to do that. Oh. Okay. So he starts arresting these guys.

The courts order him to let the guys go, but then most of them he just arrests again. He roasted a judge, he arrested a U.S. senator. He shipped four of Aaron's allies to D.C. to be charged with treason. He imprisoned a local editor just to make sure nothing was published that would go against his anti-Aaron narrative. So he's just fucking taking care of business, clamping it down. Yeah, it's like he committed a murder and then he's just killing all the witnesses. Yeah.

Yeah. So when Jefferson gets Wilkinson's letters, he publicly accuses Aaron of plotting to conquer the Western United States and attempting to incite an illegal invasion of Mexico. So all this bullshit and all this, he's just fabricated all this shit. I thought land in Spain. Yeah. I mean, it's just, he flat out, he just accuses Aaron of treason while admitting he actually has no solid proof.

His reasoning was based on quote, rumor, conjections and suspicions and that he had been unable to sift out the real facts. So he says he hasn't been able to. My evidence is I don't really know, but a couple of dudes told me. A couple of dudes were like, yes, he is for sure. And by the way, I've got this foot letter or as I call it a footnote. I love when you read into the founding fathers, you're like, okay, so you were kind of an idiot also.

Yeah. And again, I mean, it's just like, you know, Ted Cruz is like, they had the perfect plan. So they knew everything. Jefferson praises Wilkinson and who's a double agent for Spain, who's breaking the law currently in New Orleans. And Jefferson, he know, Jefferson knows Wilkinson is bad, but now he needs him to get Aaron. So he's like, you know, Wilkins, his history is not fucking good. So he knows he's like this guy elevated himself.

You can't trust this guy, but burrs worse. Like it's. Well, and now if you've done this move, you have no choice. But like Wilkinson's actually done amazingly for himself at all this. Yeah. I mean, he's like a legend. It would be like if you elevated someone like, oh, I don't know, like a Cheney to be a part of your, I wouldn't say prosecution, but hearings.

And she's a terrible human being. Like it's that kind of, I don't know though. You and I disagree on that because I do think that she's a hero. Yeah. No. Yeah. And her dad. Yeah.

Yeah. He's really good. Yeah. So the ever to caption capture Aaron is now launched. His boats in Ohio were confiscated by Governor Tiffin. Cannons were placed. Not to the sea. Yeah.

Pass the boats. Don't please don't go investigating. Nice. You don't need to worry about us here. We want to keep to ourselves. Cannons were placed to protect the West against Aaron's not real army of what they believe are tens of thousands of men. Get ready.

The Ohio militia then raided Herman's, Nisland estate, and ransacked the mansion. No. Why? No, please. Oh, no. That's my darling wife slash niece's lovely journals. Oh, come on. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with your sister's daughter.

When are we gonna, as a society, move on and recognize that there's nothing wrong with that? Sometimes if you trace far enough back, you'll find that we're all related to heart wants when it wants. And sometimes it's just to marry your niece. I'm the victim here. But Herman manages to escape and get away. Now Aaron sends a letter to the Mississippi Territory saying that the accusations are

lies from a man being paid to work against the union by Spain. Aaron is now in danger of being hung for treason, like just straight up. So he decides to go and head to Mississippi where authorities promised they'll try him there instead of sending him to Wilkinson in New Orleans, because a Wilkinson can get a hang... He'll hang him. Yeah, he'll hang him. So he gives himself up in Mississippi.

He thinks that they'll give him a fair shake, which we always associate with Mississippi. Oh, forever. And we always will. Oh, yes. These reach his boat and they go on board and they find books, not weapons. Aha! This is what we thought. He's getting smarter.

What's this? Twain? Yeah. So he wants to go to Mississippi. There's also about a hundred dudes, not tens of thousands. So the governor of Mississippi is super annoyed and said, Wilkinson greatly exaggerated the threat posed by Aaron Burr. But there's a hearing and the jury's verdict is not guilty and then they scolded, again,

the jury scolds the people who treated Aaron like a war prisoner and ridiculed Wilkinson. But the judge still said Aaron wasn't allowed to leave town. So Aaron's really pissed. Why? And... After all that, why aren't you allowed to leave town? I don't know. I really can't.

I mean, I would understand not wanting to leave town, if you're a man. Yeah. I don't know why I couldn't really figure that one out. Like, Burr's just probably like, oh, thank God, not guilty. That's right. And as again, we've got a dendym to Wilkinson who has wronged you greatly. Also you have to live in Mississippi forever. All right.

Good trial, everybody. That's nice work. Real good work, everyone. Nice job. I think we did real good there. So Aaron doesn't want to stay here because Wilkinson's men are still hunting him. Like he's still... They're still trying to get him.

So he takes off. And two weeks later in 200 miles away, now everyone knows that he's wanted, right? Because he bailed on the judge's order. So he's... A two weeks later in 200 miles away, a guy named Perkins is working late and two men on horses come up and ask for directions to the home of a major hinson. And one hangs back while the other one's talking. And Perkins tells the men that they shouldn't really travel at night.

They should just hole up in the tavern here because it's super unsafe on the roads. There's a lot of robbers. And they're like, no, we're going tonight. But he gives them directions to the major's house and the man speaking, he's kind of out front and the other guy's in back. And they ride off together and the major gets kind of a lookout. The guy gets Perkins kind of a look on him, but he's like, there's something weird about these guys.

There's something off. So they have to ride eight miles to the major's house. And the guy in back, he's wearing a big wappy, a big white floppy hat and a giant coat cinched at the belt from which dangled a cup and a butcher's knife. And he also has beautiful, expensive boots on. So it's like he's dressed up in a way that doesn't look normal. Like he's put on clothes that aren't right. And then he's got super nice boots.

It sounds like when like a child goes to the parent's closet, yeah, that's right. Just like has like ill fitting sunglasses, high heels on dad's blazer, a tie around their head. So that definitely is also another thing to give him a little bit of pause. Sure. And he also said the guy sat on his horse like a gentleman. So I guess you could tell out here in Kentucky or whatever that if a guy, a guy sat on his horse, if he likes that, they're like a, like a gentleman, what does that mean, likes to

one side? He probably sat really fancy, like, I don't know, like sat up straight. Yeah, probably super straight. So he's like, could that guy be Aaron Burr? So Perkins goes, he goes to the major's house and he, I don't know, he either opened the door or he looked in a window. But anyway, he sees Aaron and there's the, the blazing hazel eyes. And he'd heard of, he'd heard of Aaron's eyes.

To have eyes that beautiful is for a while advantageous. But then you're just like, look, I just wish my eyes went so goddamn piercing. No one knows who I am because of these beauties. It's a curse. So that guy rides to a local fort, tells a Lieutenant, Lieutenant rides out to the major's house and arrests Aaron. And he wrote Wilkinson to tell him, I found Aaron. We got him.

Six men come to take Aaron to his trial in New Orleans again for treason. I guess I was, okay, so, so he is able to be tried for the same crime again. Well, remember that, that was the, the, the last thing we did was a hearing. So, but at the hearing, they're like, there's no fucking evidence. This guy didn't do anything. Right. Right. So now there's still, there are still people who want to actually try him for the thing.

Right. Right. So six men are taking him, it's a very, it's a very difficult journey. They had to swim through freezing water and, and camp in Swampland. And they're worried about an attack by local tribes. And they know that they're like, the Aaron never complains, he just goes along. In South Carolina, they came to a group of people who were just standing outside of a tavern and Aaron jumps off his horse and just starts pleading for their help saying, quote,

I am Aaron Burr under military arrest and claim the protection of the civil authorities. And then one of the, one of the guys who's caught him leaps off his horse, pulls out his weapon and orders Aaron back on his horse. And Aaron yells, quote, I will not, and he keeps yelling that. And the much bigger guard guy just picks up Aaron and throws him on his horse. And then they all galloped off. So that was his one attempt to escape, such a weird attempt. Well, first, I like the Andre, the giant character, but then it's also really strange

if you're like those people who are just like, that's pretty crazy, huh? Yeah. Please, please, please, please help me. You have to do anything to help me. I'm under, this is unfair. The military has captured me and they have no reason to. I've already been found not guilty of these crimes. Please.

Oh no, he threw me on the horse. I can't believe we just met. I'm so glad we came outside for a cigarette. This is amazing. Can I say what we're all thinking? Those eyes are hot enough to light a fire. I mean, I could have lit in my cigarette, I wish he would have. I mean, those fucking eyes, holy shit, you light a fire with those, you know what I'm

saying? Yummy, yummy. So he's now, this is the point where Aaron finally breaks and he just starts crying. They say, they said frustrated tears, then, then they said the men who were with him also felt really bad and they, a bunch of them started crying. I just also, it's such bullshit what we're doing. Well, why are you crying? I'm the one who said, I don't know.

It's just because it seems like it's so unfair when we did to you. Why didn't you let me go? Because we're in too deep, Aaron. We don't know what we're doing anymore. I don't know. It's just, hey, look, your eyes when I see him cry, I just don't want him to cry anymore. Then for God's sake, have some heart and let me lose, cut me loose. I can't do it.

We're in too deep. But God damn it, if I don't respect you, I love you so much. Well, if you love me, let me go. I just, I don't know if I would feel right not having you around, but this isn't a life they're going to kill me. If they kill you, they're going to have to kill me too. Well, why not just let me go? Don't do this, Aaron, don't do this, not again, Aaron, not again.

Hey, you guys. Yeah. You guys ready to go? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's allergy. The hay fever here is just unbelievable. Okay. Did anyone have something to deal with, just antihistamines or something? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Feels good to sweat from your second part of your face.

You see this Aaron Perk guy's crying like a little baby, just like, man, this guy's such a fucking little baby girl. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. We're going to take off. Let's go. Yeah.

Hey, I know I just told them that I wasn't crying, but I was crying. I knew you were crying. Okay. Okay. Hey guys, don't start again. Yeah. We're just, we're just getting, no, we're just seeing, we're asking if he has a clariton and he doesn't.

You guys separate. None of us have clariton, which is just, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Get out of here. You piece of shit. You can't believe you tried to take over California and some of those West Coast area emperor, my ass. Let's get out of here.

Yeah. I love you, Aaron Perk. All right. All right. Let's go. Come on guys. No more dilly. Yeah.

Exactly. No more dilly dallying. So they end up buying a carriage to put him in for the rest of the trip. So it doesn't have to be on a horse. And they're right. That's their solution. Yeah. It's nice.

They arrive in Richmond, Virginia. I guess they're not, I said they're going to New Orleans. They're not going to New Orleans. And they get there on March 26, 1807. The city is just a light that the trial, it's one of the biggest trials in American history that's about to happen. Like they're just fucking so thrilled. Jefferson, Jefferson wants Aaron hung.

Before the trial, he proclaimed to Congress that Aaron- Man, what a fucking asshole. I mean, I mean, I know there's like a million reasons why that guy's a dickhead, but good lord. I mean, it's like all bullshit. He's one of everybody's favorite founding fathers. No, they're always hanging pictures of him in the White House being like, this is the guy.

Yeah. He proclaimed to Congress that, to Congress, he goes and tells them that Aaron is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Some thought it was super inappropriate thing for the president to say before a trial, but that's what he did. The prosecution and defense are some of the best legal minds at the time in the country. And Aaron joins his own defense team because he's a fucking great lawyer. Chief Justice John Marshall, a Supreme Court judge oversees it.

Now Richmond is full of people who want to watch. Everyone wants a scene. So they tried, they tried to move the trial to a bigger venue. Sorry, they had the trial moved to a bigger venue so people could watch. Theo comes and her family. Aaron orders her to be strong and not to show fear or alarm in public. One of Aaron's lawyers said the trial was to be, quote, a piece of epic action. Nice.

Someone gave Aaron a loan of $1,000 for a wardrobe for the trial and he bought outfits of black silk. He was denied bond, but was allowed. It's interesting that he decided to dress like a vampire. Here's a thousand dollars. Make yourself look presentable. All right, I'm just going to drape myself in clothing to look like a priest from the church of Satan.

No, no, that's not the idea. Like I said, he's denied bond, but he was a lot of visitors in the penitentiary. And women in town liked him so much that he was now hosting groups of women who came to give him fruits and cream and butter like women were just wish I wish I could go to jail. Like this dude's fucking eyes are crazy. Like I made you some delicious pie. Oh, thank you, my dear. The newspapers are filled with anti-Aaron speculation.

They treated rumors fact and spread the rumors far. The more outlandish, the better. So very hard now to find impartial jurors for the grand jury. Several said the president also is like, he did it. I'm a hundred percent. I heard about that doesn't help that got that reached me. Several said they'd already made up their minds about Aaron's guilt. Eventually all the jurors were selected.

A guy named John Randolph of Roanoke was the grand jury foreman. So the three key pieces of evidence are the cipher letter, a letter Wilkinson sent Jefferson about a tree in his plot. And the testimony so far, two pieces of bullshit. Yeah. The testimony of General William Eaton, who said Aaron told him about setting up his own monarchy in the West. And he'd do that after assassinating Jefferson.

Now Aaron has never been allowed to see the letter that he's supposedly wrote. So he subpoenas it. And Judge Marshall said Jefferson was not going to come to the trial and he's like, no, he doesn't need to. I just need the letter. I don't need the president. Unfortunately, we cannot let the president come to this trial, so we're going to have to deny your request.

I don't need. For the letter? Just the letter. He can bring it. Jefferson. Well, Jeff, he's a busy. He's the president of the United States. He can have someone else bring it like a messenger, not he doesn't.

The president doesn't need to come to court. He can just. And he won't. Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, Aaron. And he won't. Okay. I'm saying to you. And I'm saying that's fine.

It's not going to happen. I'm saying that's fine. Just we just need the letter. And let's move on. We can't move on. He can't. He's not coming to court. Okay.

He's the president. He's going to be busy, Aaron. Okay. Maybe you should maybe you. And I think, by the way, for someone who wanted to be the emperor of the West Coast, you should know how busy a job it'll be. You don't have time to just drop in a trial over and over again. That's not what I want.

He's had the letter stitched to his skin. Jesus Christ. Okay. Yeah. That's right. Crazy. So he can't bring it. Yeah, it's crazy.

And he can't. He doesn't have time to come here. What is he supposed to do? He's got a messenger who puts it in his balls. Well, Jefferson goes and says that he doesn't have the letter and that he'd already given it to the prosecution. And the prosecution's like, oh, we don't have that in our paperwork. So, your honor, we've lost the letter.

Is that bad? That's a big part of this, right? Damn. Xerox isn't around, right? Damn. Then Wilkinson shows up a month late to testify. So they're all sitting around waiting for him. Sorry, traffic.

Why? Anyway. So everyone's really annoyed. The prosecutor... I wasn't in Spain talking to their army. Let's go. The prosecutor tries to explain away his lateness by reminding everyone how old and fat he is. He's very old and very fat.

So it takes a while. You do that, Matthew. Yeah. He might not be here for three years. He's really fat. By the way, he's not leaving town now that he's here. This guy is... It's like moving a house.

Hide your pizza. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. It's just... It's going to take a while. That's what I'm saying. And Wilkinson was probably like, all right, you're laying that on pretty low. Ladies and gentlemen, Wilkinson is so big and fat and so old and decrepit that he could

not get here on time. I don't think an apology is warranted once you see the size of this man. I mean, we are talking dime show fat. And old. And old and God is he old. I mean, the man was born with a serviette covered in pie stains in his collar. This man's big. So...

He eats whales. So when Wilkinson gets there, he went... He wrote that he wrote to Jefferson and said, when he went into the courtroom and locked eyes with Aaron, the, quote, little traitor had become pale and scared under his own stern gaze. But... So he's saying... Okay.

He's saying Aaron was terrified when he saw him. Of him, right. But Washington Irving Irving was there in court and he wrote, quote, Wilkinson strutted into the court, swelling like a turkey cock. The judge directed... The judge directed... No. What?

Yeah. The judge directed the clerk to swear in General Wilkinson at the mention of the name, Bert turned his head, looked him full on the face with one of his piercing regards, swept his eye over his whole person from head to foot as if to scan its dimensions and then coolly resumed his former position and went on conversing with counsel as tranquilly as ever. The whole look was over in an instant, but it was an admirable one. So...

What? This is like Zoolander look. Stop. I mean... He looked at him and gave him, wow, what a piece of shit you are. And then he went back to talking and Wilkinson was like, he's scared of me. He's scared of me. Yeah.

And then it was also described as a turkey cock. Yeah. Does that what it meant? Did it mean a turkey cock? An actual turkey cock? No, I think he means a male turkey. Got you. Okay.

Well, I was about to... But if you want to see a turkey cock... I would love to. Have you ever seen a duck boner? This is... We're way off the path. Buddy, if you didn't think that we were going to talk about duck boners during the Aaron Burr 3-4 partner...

Okay, that's fair. What, are you out of your mind? That's fair. That's a dark screw. Yeah, I've heard. I don't need to see it. You need to see it to believe it. Let's just alter the moment.

So if you're ever in a pinch and you need to open a bottle of wine, just start spewing some duck porn. Let's just take a moment and say a prayer for the lady ducks. And the mighty ducks. So Wilkinson is a total disaster on the stand. He was forced to reveal he'd altered parts of the cipher letter, which is the key piece of evidence. So he says I...

Well, I suppose it was a little edited. This was caught by the jury foreman, realized that's what he said. John Randolph. It's called a punch up. And then the grand jury almost voted to indict Wilkinson. Wow, this dude is like, every jury's like, look, he's now a side project. In the 1980s, the handwriting analysis showed, in the 1980s, the handwriting analysis showed the cipher letter was not written by Aaron, but by another partner in the enterprise Senator

Dayton. So we know for a fact, Aaron Burd did not write the letter that was then altered to make it seem like both he wrote it and was saying something else. It is amazing that you have a bullshit letter and then you're like, well, we need to go back and do a bullshit pass on the bullshit. You guys wrote it. So Wilkinson is now being discredited by various sources for his behavior in New Orleans and working against the US for the Spanish and other good stuff.

So this leads to him, everyone digging up stuff and going after him. Okay. So... My client is so big and fat, he didn't understand what he was doing. He's so old, too. Okay, so the grand jury still indicts Aaron for conspiracy to commit treason by attempting to split the Western states off of the union and planning to lead a military expedition into Spanish on Mexico during a time of peace.

How? Probably General Eaton's testimony. But now they have to have an actual trial and they have to find another jury. So that was just to get the trial to happen, right? Okay, right. Now they have to find an unbiased jury and it's all this grand jury stuff has been in the news. So out of the 48 men summoned, only four were fit for the jury, another 48 men are called

and it's the same thing. And one says Aaron should be hung, another guy joked, Aaron's team probably wouldn't want him because his first name is Hamilton. So Aaron finally just goes, fuck it, just pick eight men out of these guys and we'll do the trial. And the prosecution's like, yeah, okay. Great, yes, love it, yep. So the prosecution needed to prove Aaron participated in an overt act of war and that's the assembling

a group of men like Herman on the island, on his island on December 10th, 1806. So it's all the guys that had come together on that day to get on the boats and go down river, right? The big problem is that on that exact day, when they're saying an overt act of war by putting an army together, Aaron was hundreds of miles away in Kentucky, was that a problem a little bit. And despite reports of Aaron having 20,000 men at the island, witnesses put the number at about 25 to 30 guys who were lightly armed.

But what you don't understand is that they each had a thousand men in their jackets. They're ninjas. So they are, yes, they blend in, they're blenders. Every single one of them, everyone was Steven Seagal. So now you think about what? Now that's the strength of a thousand men. General Eaton was the first witness. He was described as quote, strutting about the streets in an enormous hat and colorful

clothes during the trial. Sure. Right. Perfect. That's awesome. So he's Willy Wonking around town. That's correct. So he recalled from conversations he died with Aaron over some of them over a year ago.

He's he right. So all his evidence is based on conversations and he's, he pulls out notes and he starts looking at his notes when he's being questioned. And then the judge is like, what's up with the notes? And he's like, well, the notes that I made. It's not a script. I was writing these. He goes, did you make the notes when the conversations happened to remember them?

And he goes, no, I just did these like a few days ago. I did these on the walk over here today is that, but I, but I wrote, but these are accounts, my accounts of what definitely happened right after and during. Do you remember that? I do remember that. That's why I wrote all the notes down. Actually, if anything, I'm pretty astounded at how well I remembered it. If you go through some of these notes, they're pretty, pretty good for someone who's the

year removed. So so the judge told eating to put the notes away. Well, okay, sure. But okay, yeah, without the notes, though, I won't know what I'm supposed to go. Yeah. Okay. I get it. Aaron said he thought it had been Aaron's intent to commit treason and said, after speaking

with Aaron, he went straight to Jefferson and asked him to make Aaron an ambassador to get him out of the country. Okay. Which is very weird. Sure. Which, and Jefferson refused to do that. And then Aaron cross examines Eden. So now it's the guys lying about the conversation, being examined by the guy who had the conversation.

Which is the best. That is like, very quickly, one time in college, this woman made up that I had, whatever, I'm not even going to get into it. But I basically, this woman made up this story that I'd asked her out to her boyfriend who was my friend. And when it was finally me and her, and I'm like, what are you talking about? And she was like, you did do it. And I was like, this is crazy.

And I was just like, it was some enjoyment in it like that. But I was also just like, this is, like, it's just you and I, she's like, you did, you did ask me out. I was like. Yeah. So. Okay. He's, he asked Eden about money.

He'd been requesting from the government for three years. How much was he asking for? When did he finally get it? And Eden, he doesn't want to answer. And the judge is like, you have to answer these questions. May I take out my both notes? And then he admits that the government paid him $10,000 like the month before when right when Aaron arrived in Richmond for the trial.

So it looks like the government is paying Eaton to lie to lie to get which is what they're probably doing. And if you didn't want to give that information also looks terrible when you have to like, I choose to not answer that you have to answer. I was given $10,000 by the government last month, but I don't think that last month, but I don't think that's important. So. Yeah.

So this is Jefferson trying to bribe a witness to have a man hung who used to be his vice president. So Jefferson's a good guy. Aaron also asked Eaton to provide details of his supposed trees and his plan and Eaton couldn't come up with any details. Well, what you basically said was you were like, I'm going to get robes and become an emperor. And I want, I think you said California.

I think you said like, you know, like Wyoming and I should probably tell you that there's no California. Right. Yeah. So this is just like Ohio and Kentucky and what is the West Coast? Yeah. So the West Coast of Ohio. Louisiana.

Yeah. So you were basically, yeah, exactly. So can I please finish? Yeah. But you made up places like you. Okay. There's no one. Are we having a conversation?

I know I said, I said, why are you making up states that don't exist? That's your, that's what you were going to call Ohio as well. Let me know, can I talk? Okay. Can I talk, can I even talk with this guy right now? I do not, I won't even say it. I mean, this is the sort of stuff he does. He just jumps all over you and just, so Aaron's plan was to take the West Coast, which is

Ohio and Kentucky and that sort of stuff. And he was like, I'm going to be the emperor and I will rule and I'll be really, I'll be really bad and I'll get those citizens to hate Jefferson. Do you mind if I have. I'm in the middle of something. Can I just ask? I don't know. I'm just, is it okay if I have a victory scotch right now while I'm questioning you?

Your honor. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's okay. If I may, can I, may I, may I have a scotch too, please? No, that's for winners. Your honor, permission to go back in time, like a while, right when I got paid before this. So after, after his testimony, Eaton is literally crying, angry tears saying he'd been treated

like a villain. I mean, this is like how those courtroom shows end. You know what I mean? It's like, it never, normally it doesn't end that way where you like own someone so much that they're like, ah, he won, he won, I'm lying. And then he finished off his stay in Richmond by having sex in public in a costume with a sex worker and then bounced out of town. Well, listen, if you're going to leave going big, go, go with a costume, go with a street

costume bang. All right, I should get out of here. This was not a great trip for me. Another prosecution witness said they discussed attacking Mexico, but only if the US was at war with Spain, so that doesn't help their treason thing, it's legal. And Aaron said that if that didn't work out that he was just going to buy land, none of the prosecution witnesses could provide any evidence of anything illegal or treasonous, just what they thought he, they thought he thought about doing.

Right. So speculative. Aaron's defense spoke for about 15 hours to close their arguments and on September 1st, 1807, Jesus, after a very, very, very short deliberation, Aaron Burr was found not guilty. Man. What? Fuck, though.

What a stressful thing, though, to have to go through all that. But yeah, I mean, that must have been quite vindicating. Now, surely this has some impact on his public, on his persona. He still has to watch his back. He and his legal team are now being hanged in effigy around the United States. Okay, so the United States is doing well. He owes tens of thousands of dollars now to creditors, because he already was in debt, now he's got more debt to do the filibuster, it's bad.

So many believe the newspapers and still think he's a traitor and wants to become emperor of Mexico and steal states away from the union. So Aaron's like, I got to get out of here. And he decides to go to England to get support for another filibuster attempt if the US and Spain go to war. He seems to, he thinks if he is successful, he will get his reputation back. He's really focused on, I just got to do a filibuster and get land for the US and people will love me.

So he says goodbye to Theo and his little grandson, and in June of 1808, under, using a false name, he gets on a ship and heads for England. And he leaves all of his writings, all of his letters with Theo, hopeful she or husband would write a biography about him one day, and off he goes, into the Atlantic, and that is the end of part three of Aaron Burr. Damn, man, god damn, this dude really was not treated very fairly. And I have a question, being a leftist in America, I can't say what it was like back then, but I wonder if his beliefs about women.

So like, Hamilton slandered him once by saying, he's like, he treats his women like Godwin. Godwin was the husband of the famous feminist writer in England. So he's literally a slam against Burr, is that you treat women well. Women have feelings. That's his slam. Also, his opinions that women should vote, that women should be able to hold political office, that blacks should be free, that they should also have rights. So all of the shit that he believes, which it's, you know, we should have justice reform,

everything he believes, I wonder how much of those opinions have gone into this hatred of him. I don't know, because I feel like government has always supported, you know, movements to the left, giving as many rights to people as possible, especially in this country. That's fair. No, I think that's probably a good point. I mean, you know, he's, even like, you know, because he's to the left of abolitionists, and knowing what it's like in this country to be very, very far left.

You know, the middle often thinks it's the left, and it, and hate, and hate, is, is despises those things because it's an overreach, and it seems impractical, and blah, blah, blah, blah. So, yeah, it probably is, I mean, it's probably, and to some extent, this, you know, with like Wilkinson and stuff like that, it's just pure selfish corruption. Yeah, yeah. So, but I think that's probably like a fair question for sure, you know, like, why hate him so much?

America, America was set up to despise leftists. That's, America's creation is to hate the left. To embrace us, you know, a class of slavery. Yes, a class of slavery, a class of corporations, a class of ownership, yeah. It's the economic plan, yeah, and it can't work without it. So, yeah, I mean, it would require, what he's talking about would require an entire rethink of everything. So, even back then, people were going like, the Founding Fathers answered all these questions

already. This is a perfect system. And you're like, they're still alive, you know, like, I don't think they are right. Yeah, crazy, man. What a crazy, I mean, just, he must have just been so fucking, not even frustrated, just like he must have just been losing his mind. I mean, just the, again, we've seen, how many stories have we done of leftists just being drained?

They drain you. They drain you. Leftists being drained. This is another story. It's another story of the leftists being drained. And by the way, and how that works is then, you regret trying, you know, because you're like, look, I just want to have a life, where a lot of them end up as they just become watered down versions of people like, oh, he became like a shell of himself.

It's like, yeah, these, you know, these men and women are just exhausted by this process. And that is the point. The point is that, look, if we can't illegally jail you, we will just burn your life out. Yeah. And they do. And they do it very well. Yes. Yes.

The research for this was done by Brittany Brown. The Sources, Fallen Founder, The Life of Aaron Burr by Nancy Eisenberg, The Private Journal of Aaron Burr, The Memoirs of Aaron Burr, Burr Hamilton and Jefferson, A Study and Character by Roger Kennedy, Founding Brothers, The Revolutionary Generation by Joseph Ellis, American Emperor, Rembrandt's Challenge to Jefferson's America by David Stewart, The Life and Times of Aaron Burr by James Parton, The Remarkable Rise of Eliza Jumel by Margaret Oppenheimer, The Trees and Trial of Aaron Burr, Law, Politics and the Character Wars of the New Nation by Kent Neumeyer, Founding Feuds by Paul Aaron and Newview on the Burr Trees and Case Letter

by Edwin McDowell. Ta-da! Well, great research. I mean, it is crazy. It's crazy. I mean, again, a lot of the, you know, the thing of this show is how you undo things I or other people have learned, but this is like, this is epic. I mean, these are, these are just, I don't know, it's just amazing the way that they

have done such a good job of painting over reality and, I don't know, I mean, I feel like, I just, I often wonder what this country would look like if you actually were taught the history and my guess is it would be a much different place, not what they want. People would be like, oh yeah, this doesn't work. Yeah, people would be like, I don't believe you, you're full of shit. Or like, no, fuck you, we're gonna go this direction or, you know. And where we find ourselves today. You never abolish, you never fully abolish slavery, you've just changed it.

Yeah, you changed it. You know, and where we find ourselves today is a complete and total direct result of a lack of knowing our own history and allowing this. And allowing it to repeat. That's why it's always like history repeats itself. And you see it. Because nobody fucking knows it. You see it online, like today people are like, but Biden can't do anything, he's done everything

he can do. And you're like, go read about what Lincoln did. Why can't Biden tomorrow make an emancipation proclamation for abortion? Why can't there, there's so many, you know, Congress just started passing laws. They were just like, well, okay, the Supreme Court said abortions, the Supreme Court said slavery's legal, well, now we're just gonna pass laws like it's not. Like you can just fuck with the system and take the system on. There are things you can do, you can, whatever.

So there's a learned helplessness that comes with not knowing history. You think, because you think you know all the history, because you haven't been taught it, what you come away with is learned helplessness. And you're told, in conjunction with that, you're told that thinking in big swings is not how you get things right, which is the dumbest thing at all. And incrementalism is the safe way, but it's the only way. And that is like, you know, that's gonna be a real, that's gonna, I mean, it's working out fucking fantastically.

Yeah. I mean, these are all made up rules anyway, we made them all up so we can just get rid of them. Like that's how that works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can just abolish, I mean, I was, I, Abby Martin put out this fucking state, but that

was great. Yeah, it's great. I mean, she's always amazing, but yeah, but she's just like abolished. I cannot abolish it. We don't need it. We literally don't need it. Yeah. Yeah.

To what you were saying on one of the conversations we just had on one of the Chalips, you know, it's designed to protect the rich. Yes, 100%. And the white people, the rich white people, that's what it's designed for. And it's always been a terrible institution. It's done nothing but harm. It's really, really fucking bad. Occasionally get some little things that go through.

But to what she's saying, that, the only reason why those even happen is because of enormous public pressure. And again, that's how, that's where, that's where action happens when they feel scared. Yeah. And they should, man, I said this a long fucking time ago, but all of our politicians should be scared. They are fucking us. And now, and now people are like, oh, and you're like, yeah, they, they've been crushing

other people's lives. Now this affects you more, so you're really fucking mad. But they've been crushing people's lives like this for fucking ever. Every, all the politicians should be scared of us. I, I made a comment and some people I said, I, I, I read it wrong, but I read something AOC said and I said, oh, so now you're also gonna blame voters. And all these people started yelling at me and I was just like, why, why are you so fucking upset with someone making one little comment about a politician?

Yeah. Fire. Even the politicians you like, you should be fucking yelling at them constantly because you want what you want. That's what they're there for. You do not treat them nice. If you treat them nice, they don't do anything at all. Anything at all.

The second, yeah. The second that you're, I mean, again, it's always shocking when people follow politicians and comment on their stuff. It's incredible. You should not be supporting their Twitter. You should not be supporting their comments because their comments are just like our comments. They're just comments. They're nothing.

It's just language and they're the ones with the power to have action. Twitter's for us to complain about them to them, but even that isn't enough. But the fact that they're on there telling you what should happen, no. You should do the things that you're saying should happen. That's what you're, that's why you're not supposed to be on here. That's right. You're supposed to be doing these things. Yeah.

Totally. Well. I think we solved all the problems. Yeah. Really quickly too. Super fast this week. All right. Well, and there's a fourth part.

There's a fourth part. There's a fourth part. There's a fourth part. And that's it. That's it. Okay. We're done. Okay.

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