The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 542 - Aaron Burr - Part 4

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

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American History podcast or each week I, iced tea drinker, man who puts on lotion a man called problematic Dave Anthony reads a story from American history to his friend. Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about and based on your list there I would say the third one is accurate you are problematic. I'm so I lotioned up iced tea drinker. It made me laugh like it like calling me problematic made me laugh and I was like was it just some random person? Someone was having a conversation on Twitter and I got added to the first part so I don't know if the guy knew I was reading the conversation

but right and then he go and she the person said he you should her name's Claire she's a Australian she said you should listen to this podcast about Aaron Burr it's Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds and he goes oh yeah yeah Dave Anthony is problematic but and I don't say that lightly but you know and then he went on and it just made me fucking laugh and but then I was like what I said something to him and he just said maybe that's the wrong word and I said and then he came back and he said I think I'm the word I'm thinking of is it's more gross you're more gross. Wow. Wow. You're like I probably shouldn't have followed up for another give me another one

you're gross you're disgusting. I mean I can't I say a lot of stuff. Yeah but you're you're more problematic than gross. You're for sure you're not gross. I can be gross I can look there's a behind me my son drew a deck on the board like it's not great here. That's America. Yeah no I think I say some pretty I definitely tend to go more gross than you do I think yeah I would agree on the podcast I think I jump into the gross or more. Yeah maybe yeah but that's just because you have simple jokes because you're a problematic simple right I'm a simple problematic man so my jokes are gross. Problematic and gross I mean it's I want to

put that on my tombstone I wasn't gonna have a tombstone now I am. There's an improv game called new choice where it's just like you say something and someone goes new choice and then you go new choice like so to be like I'd be like here's a banana and you'd go new choice and I'd be like walk my dog and you go new choice so he's like new choice again but he's getting worse you're problematic new choice you're gross new choice you're the worst man I've ever met new choice you're Louis C. K. new choice yeah yeah well I'm I'm happy to have my wagon hitch to you you gross problematic lotioning drinking weirdo

fucking pig I should also say our our friend Bill Burr has a new special out and it's fantastic and you everyone should watch it yes it's it's called Bill Burr live at Red Rocks yeah yeah it's there's a lot of bad comedy out there this is not that we're doing most of it yeah problematic and gross we're trying and at the end of the episode I'll address all the criticisms of the Aaron Burr Alexander Hamilton Ron Chernow and Lynn manual Miranda criticisms that I had that people really I'm excited there it's like I kick people's dog like it like everybody just it's problematic problematic I have

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still like even though in the trial fun I'm not guilty everyone is like fuck this guy he's terrible so he decides to leave the country in 18 oh he's going to England everyone believes he's engaged in treason so Aaron Burr leaves for England and a friend leaves the money for passage because remember he doesn't have any money now he is absolutely broke because he spent any money had he spends on the filibuster and you know then he went into debt trying to yeah you should if you it is one of those things where it's like that's that's what happens in our legal system all the time where you could just drain someone

slowly of money like big corporations that's why you like won't sue them you should get reimbursed if you're you know what I mean that that should be part of it but we'll get to that in another time that's a different dollop his plan is to now go to England to raise money for a filibuster again in Mexico he's still because he still thinks that'll get back the love in America people will wait he's he wants it in Mexico is it well Mexico I thought it was Spain or Spanish territory one or the other like he right okay right as to filibuster right just get land for America so this is what got him into trouble the first time

basically and now he's like now I'm gonna do it again now I'm gonna do it right name now we're gonna do it right now the right way right yeah it's a new beginning and he arrives in London and quickly discovers that nobody is interested in a filibuster against Spain anymore because that goes with the wind right we're mad at Spain we're mad at Spain now that we're not mad at Spain now we're mad at Spain so it's just like you know right so he hangs out there he becomes good friends with famous philosopher Jeremy Bentham who was the founder of utilitarianism and Bentham's also a feminist like Burr and he thought

women should have the right to vote and they should be allowed to get divorced all the crazy stuff that Burr also believed just madness like this stuff that just like pulling a thread on society and making it all fall apart talk about being problematic yeah giving them the right to vote can you I like that he goes all the way there he's like I'm gonna clear my name I'm gonna do it right this time I'm gonna get a filibuster and I'm gonna get some of that Spanish territory and I was like no we're not interested he's like I'll just kick it hang out my bros can I get one Guinness so both these guys believe

the government should aim to give the greatest happiness of the greatest number and lawmakers should rise above partisanship so they're both about you know helping people right just it sounds crazy it's still we're still not there so yeah they both believe in prison reform they want to see and move away from brutal treatment of prisoners toward more humane reformation obviously still has not occurred so it's amazing it's amazing that we're still talking about the same shit yep just a couple hundred years later three two fifty whatever so he learns that Theo is very sick she sends a letter she's

very sick that's his daughter in case you are jumping in she had a son and she had had really traumatic injuries after the birth and she probably now has an ongoing infection so just a lingering infection in the year and this is a time when since when the politicians didn't really care about the health or well being of the mother yeah if you could imagine if you can imagine politicians arrow with that not caring what happens to women during childbirth then you yeah yeah that's it's such a different time put on your imagine caps yeah yeah so she is having serious issues she is having fits she's hearing things and she's

seeing flashing lights hmm so she's at a rave yeah yeah yeah she took Molly the doc I believe she's tested positive for really good Molly great Molly oh she's dancing she's uh we just we just get it out strap it out so Aaron tried to convince her to come to England because he knew a doctor who very good with women's health but it sounds crazy like you like to go see another doctor's crazy like you're really sick let's get you on a boat for six days I mean I was just researching going to Mexico to get some some tooth work done for some tooth stuff because yeah because it's so much cheaper and they're all they're

all I got my my butt implants in Mexico because it's cheaper but it's still like a comparable procedure wait what if you go a lot of times if you actually look into it like the procedures are pretty much the same and so yeah like get your there's good debt and stuff and then if you want to get your yeah your butt I would just have my butt done your butt implants yeah or I was talking about my butt implants you were talking about your teeth but yeah yeah it's cheaper mm-hmm okay I just action action I'm gonna start doing that a lot more calling action great in the show just so you know yeah it's great I love it so take

two obviously she can't travel she's just in too bad a condition so Aaron decides to go to Scotland he's up there he part he's partied he he wrote in his journal a lot he's a big big-time journal and in he's his diary of his travels he writes stories that he wants to share with Theo and his grandson in the reunite each each entry in his journal is is addressed to Theo like it's gonna be a letter is it strange that he's not going back no she's sick no because he they're burning him an effigy like I think they right right right right that's why you've sometimes forget the vibe of what the effigies of you

being burned gives you know off you know you're like all right I would but unfortunately they want to kill me so so he writes of people he meets he's he often writes about people that are overlooked by most like sort of men in society at the time he wrote about servants he wrote about friends children I was super into kids just every kid was amazing to him so one one time a girl burst into his hotel room and she asked singing for money basically the just person of the which I I wish was still a feature in like is the song about money or is she singing a different song okay I would love the

meta-version way like a far thing would go pretty far with me and that would change my energy come on bird give me some money for fur coats and my honey come on bird a kid up I need cash I got a rash it's bird give me some money but it's not that okay so yeah so I hate musicals so that I felt like that was the version you're doing of dude there's a musical based on Hamilton you would fucking love it so this girl person is room I guess this is how kids try to get money back then she's singing a song he gives her money but he still chases her out and he's rude to her because he's so annoyed by the whole thing and then he

feels guilty and the whole next day he just goes around looking for her to apologize to her pledging oh pledging to quote be more civil to all these little creatures to atone for the barbarity there's a type of that is there is a psychological category of a type of person called hypersensitive in which they are extremely like this this sounds like a hypersensitive person he felt so bad or but they also are very empathetic and like very like everything about Amber makes it sounds to me like he's a hypersensitive person but whatever right that's just not out there he said he pledged to quote be more civil to all

these little creatures to atone for the barbarity so he he writes a lot in the journal he he he's more of a dog person than a cat person this shows over it's not it's just getting started I like that I like that that's making its way in his journal well I do enjoy cats I like that they purr dogs to me are truly better friends hey Burr how's it going in there good I'm just writing about if which one I like better dogs or cats what are y'all doing he found magicians annoying guys great he loved green peas what's good this journal is very strange I mean he essentially you know what this is his version of having a like a social media

yeah it really is like we don't need all these opinions he's like great peas are really good here's 10 reasons why I love green peas like follow subscribe so one night he was writing in his room by candlelight when a servant came in and told him to snuff out the candle it was too late and he said no and the servant tried to take the candle so Aaron chased him out this is while holding a night wild what the fuck is going on shortly after he saw military men gathering outside of his window and he's like oh my god they're here for me and he thought well maybe there's some law against having a candle lit this late

at night and they're gonna has been hurt and then he starts hiding his journal and all of his letters and they can't know about my feelings about cats or peas I need to stash this they'll know that I'm a dog man and he he's just getting ready to be arrested but then it turns out they weren't there for him and they just moved on oh okay interesting I mean but that's based on the fact that he's just been you know I mean says he's used to society coming down on yeah no he's totally psychologically scarred yeah he's like oh no I have a candle on past 10 30 I'm a dead man they're gonna find him out about my

p love oh my god in London the British are nervous about Aaron visiting and so they arrest him that well handled once again everybody yep Aaron is frightened of Aaron wasn't frightened of any criminal issue because he wasn't taking he was taking part in no quote plots of treason so he's like I haven't done anything like what a really I mean normal attitude but when you've been brought on trial like two or three times based on non-treasonous for people just accusing you of treason to be like I'll be fine I haven't done anything wrong it's like dude that's that that's not that shouldn't make you feel safe that's

what's fucked his whole career remember like when all those people were slandering him like yeah he was just like based on nothing yeah this can't happen to me three times or six yeah so he was just more upset that they would read and look through his quote ridiculous journal so he knows what he's writing in there is totally a lot of it's just like comedy and stuff like he's just trying to make Theo laugh so he's released without he's released without any charges yeah but they're gonna they say we're gonna expel you from Britain and he's angry and he thinks Jefferson is behind this having him

arrested and deported but he decides he's like I want to go to Sweden since England is paying for kicking him out so oh so so England's giving him like the like get out where do you want to go free trip right okay right yeah so he had he has a final fling in England with a woman named miss on slow writing heard that he couldn't see her during the day but he could he could drop by at night and quote kiss your fair hand and bid you adieu which is yeah that's what I text would you like to meet up later I could kiss your hand and bid you would you know I'm more of a cat person if you catch my drift

no okay this is what's going no no no I'm I'm like I'll pet the cat I know no no no Jesus Christ no no no let me tease you but unfortunately that night he was hanging out with a buddy before he went over to her house and the guy was just oblivious and he wouldn't leave so he came along so he didn't get to sex and then Aaron Aaron wrote miss on so the next day asking if he might come by alone and quote kiss your hand and bid you another adieu may I do you again may another adieu what did she say I don't know we don't I assume she said yes because she had said yes to the first one so right yeah he loves Sweden as

everybody does he praised the Swedes honesty and enjoyed that women were allowed to work in positions like fishermen and coach drivers mm-hmm the thing he didn't like was that Swedes just would barge into rooms unannounced well see I mean well yeah are they singing so so in other words Sweden is just basically a land of Kramer's it's he wrote his journal quote every person of every sex and grade it comes in without knocking they don't seem embarrassed nor think it's car at finding you in bed crazy dressing or doing no matter what it took me six weeks to teach my servant not to come in without knocking it was

only by appearing to get into a most violent passion and threatening to blow out her brains I engage she is now the only servant in Sweden whoever knocks so in order I mean he's always seemed fairly balanced but it doesn't I mean you know you you're in your room you might be naked you might be like you know rub him on out whatever it is and so you need the knock and the idea that he's so mad yeah look this is what you're not getting I'm gonna blow your brains out of your head if you keep doing this she's like well okay I guess I it's awfully unorthodox but I suppose I'll knock it's really crazy and then I don't know if

you read the thing that blew up on the internet but that this the Swedes if you're over at their house and they're gonna eat they send you to their room and you have to sit in there like bedroom or whatever while they eat like you're not allowed to what you didn't hear about this they blew up the whole world what are you talking about well they just if you're at a sweet if you're sorry why don't all right tell me dollop this moment what if you're at their house if you're at their house and it's dinner time they ask you to go to their bedroom or whatever or another room and you're talking about you're like staying

at their house or you just like hey I'll come by for the afternoon I think if you're just there for the afternoon I don't know if you're staying there if you're staying there might be different but if you're there for the day or whatever they're just like you go in the room we're gonna eat and then they'll eat you just sit there and wait and sometimes people don't have anything they're just sitting in the room with nothing to do waiting while these people eat and everyone all these people have stories of the same thing it's just a custom it's their way they are not I'm gonna put on some of your clothes and

pretend I'm you in your bed no no no no no no no I'm not going to fucking kick it in your room I'm out of here I think it's about all right well it's time for dinner so awful would you like to go to Corey's room no yeah go in there for a while he's got a sports car bed you can lay in no that's weird I'm not I know you can take the tennis ball and toss it into the sky and continue to catch it in your hands no I don't what yeah yeah it should be fine yeah really going to eat a big dinner tonight so we'd be a while okay no you could be in here for about three or four hours but just keep tossing the

tennis ball up in the sky and you'll catch it okay there you go sorry that took so long it's almost 11 journey yeah you should go yeah you should go home sorry we boarded the door shot yeah that was we just didn't want you to walk out in the middle of dinner that would be so embarrassing wasn't great yeah well okay well off you go bye your day's over bye what an asshole Aaron now decides to go to Russia might as well just travel right but sure his passport is rejected by American ambassador in st. Petersburg John Quincy Adams oh god so the powers that be are fucking with him yeah they've made his life right yeah they've I mean

they're kind of cinching the world around him a little bit yeah they can't just be like and that is all coming from I mean mostly just coming from I mean Jefferson but it's just the American government just being like now fuck you I mean he's done yeah nothing right he did nothing upset that they didn't prosecute him over nothing so now they're going to avenge that I mean they've said about what was essentially a rumor that was but the rumors substantiated by Jefferson so now they're just out for him now it's right you can imagine sort of how we make yeah so he he goes to Denmark instead he is

now completely broke he's very bad with money he's just not good with money he promised sending all these peas well he promised himself he'd spend last skipping meals he'd he slept on benches to save money but then he just blow that money later on old coins for his grandson or a gift for Theo or whatever book ice cream he just he would save money and then blow it on something else stupid he was also a really good tipper he gave money to beggars if they wanted it so at this point he translates a book into French into maybe French into Danish whatever he translates a book for some money but the book has nasty

passages just lies written about him and he just translates it straight without altering it I know right like this is tough I mean it gigs a gig but I did not do that I mean it gigs a gig but this is just I'd never I mean again I was not I did not have 30,000 troops anyway I'm trying to translate 30,000 Danish okay yeah but man I oh my god I don't love cats this is just crazy chapter two cats and burr chapter two burrs obsession with cats a man who detests peas this title what the fuck that's the opposite of me this is like the opposite of Burr book the money problems meant sometimes he stated some pretty grim places the

fleas were a constant problem quote spent the night flea hunting killed five but friends and relations of the deceased revenge themselves on me most cruelly from my head to my heels there is not an inch free of flea marks I'm surprised this guy didn't like feel bad and go to apologize to the flea families the next day I overreacted when I smushed your son I murdered your dad and son I am so good if you'd like to look at all the marks I offer you permanent residency upon my body go ahead get in the belly button there you are you'll find that to be quite a lovely penthouse cavern it's very nice but

what I eat you have to go to the armpit you when you when it's time to eat you must vacate the belly button rules are rules at one in he lay on his bed and was immediately coated in fleas quote at 12 I walked in a fever I woke in a f-woke must be woke in a fever and found myself devoured by bugs got up lit candle saw the bed alive wow he then lined up three chairs to try to sleep on them but it was too uncomfortable so he went and laid down on the sofa but also tons of fleas he eventually just I like that he thinks that this is how I mean it I they probably just hadn't done a lot of flea studies back then but it's just

like I'll lay on three chairs they can't get there they'll figure their fleas they'll figure it out ah the couch will be the solution eventually just gave up an order breakfast at another place he woke up coughing and almost suffocating turned out an in-worker had moved his clothes too close to the fire and they were burning ah nice perfect well good I don't have a lot of money but thank you for burning my outfit and then some guy he met in Sweden just randomly sent him a thousand francs so all of a sudden he has money nice he spent time in Germany where he was so struck by a beautiful Baroness that he fled the country

immediately because he was worried if he spent more time with her he'd become obsessed with this quote sorceress ruining his future plans so he's like this one's too good that's that I think that's kind of how I operate relationships we'll hate each other we can't do this you're fantastic I'm out of here I can't I'm so sorry I shouldn't have come here so I mean I that's an amazing move I must go you're fantastic this can't we will you're wonderful we'll get her amazing I gotta go I can't do this goodbye forever how dare you so he goes to Paris and he asked Napoleon yes

Napoleon for ships to filibuster in Mexico and then Paulin's like I I got so much stuff going on I'm not gonna I was just absolutely swamped right now it is not a good time for me so unfortunately it will be a pass from us but I must say I know you love cats I read your book here you are a dozen kitties yeah that would be amazing so he's upset now he's dejected and he decides well I've done it all here in Europe it's time to go home but the American how well how long how long was stretch of time we talk I think I think it's few years no it's like two or three years yeah yeah okay so the American

minister in France is an ally of his old New York enemy Dewitt Clinton okay and the guy in charge of issuing American passports was one of the lawyers who had tried him for treason so things are lining up nicely good vibes so you can't get a passport every American in Paris turns their back on Aaron they refuse to speak with them American ship captains refused to carry his letters how will she know about the peas the the I wrote so much about the little round green my friends I'm pro pee I'm a peaman still he does manage to have a good time he hangs out with artist John Vendorlin who's a good friend he had a

lot of affairs it is France one woman offered him a permanent position as her lover with his own room which he said no to what God what an offer I need a fuckboy you are what we call a fuckboy and you will live in here and when I need it I'll come get it and when I don't you'll just be in here you'll be Saturday you get the benefits I get the benefits mutual benefits he wrote a lot about women and his constant pursuit of sex now that's the main thing about this trip was dude was banging it was it's like a compulsion for a lot of people think that a lot of people think that the Sand River formed after he left just

from pure that's right lubrication he he was annoyed by how much sex had a hold over his thoughts but he was just like it's the only thing that alleviates my restlessness my constant restlessness so once he wrote he felt bad he had been rude with people lately but he was going on 10 days without sex so it was understandable so he's he's really banging yeah he needs to really he's 10 day 10 days removed high irritability levels yeah yeah he's got to be fucking right okay he wrote about every single visit to a sex worker or or liaison with the chambermaid he used an abbreviated code so he's code give me give me give

me I don't have them I should have written them down even think about it god damn it sometimes he had sex with two women a day or two at a time he wrote down what they looked like how much it cost sometimes how good it was here's some examples so he's he's yelp banging he is yelp banging quote she was pretty good voluptuous stayed two hours man this is quite a little life he's carved out quote bad one dollar bad one dollar is this the price is right he paid a dollar and it was bad it paid it paid a dollar it was bad well I mean when you pay 99 cent store prices yeah you're gonna get 99 cent store produce the

chambermaid fat but not bad wow so he really this is yelp today about not bad don't go ahead today a bad encounter six francs bar how was it bar bar tall plump well-turned-blonde married one and a half dollars perhaps 26 well satisfied it's amazing the difference between bar and well satisfied is 50 cents had fun with me nothing had fun with the maid for two hours fine fine so so just we will say yeah a clearly this this is when you're when it's a component sound sex-addicty I mean it might have just loved fucking but it's you know we can't really say I mean we did talk last episode I think he

said he he had a child with his wife's slave she's not so she wasn't a slave his wife had a servant from India that he had kids with okay some people were like oh that's definitely rape I don't like if it's a slave absolutely it's rape I don't know I I don't know what the this dude seems like he could seduce anybody so I don't know but I'm also not gonna rule it out like I think rape was just fucking the business of the day back then like he just whatever so whatever like you know it was it was a uneven relationship in which he took advantage right right so we're in the no-joke portion of the show yeah yeah be

clear so 190 swear to give up sex workers fearing that he'd got an STD yeah that's the shocking that he hasn't I know I mean there should be an STD called Burr you should be like there should probably be something called like the Burr bumps I got Burr bumps there is but it's based on Bill Burr so it's right yeah it's different the next morning he discovered everything down when you rub it it's just like I don't like it just starts doing bits you don't want a hand rubs on your head yeah you rub it I don't want to talk to the driver but the next morning he discovered everything down there was quote in perfectly good

order and then broke his promise and quickly went to a sex worker I mean obviously at the time they weren't really sure how STD is like well nothing today I'm fine yes right same with all the sex he's very lonely he thought about Theo at his grandson a lot he traveled with her portrait and he would put it up wherever he was sleeping for the night so wallet pictures seem archaic at this point but having to travel with a portrait a frame someone I assume it's framed framed picture of someone that you're like all right how long am I gonna be here a couple hours mind if I throw this up on the wall you got a

hammer and a nail it's pretty unorso docs but okay when he met someone he liked he let them look at the picture and write about their response in his journal wow when he traveled he rode with the portrait safely in his lab that's very strange what's what is a what is that it's my daughter how are you Theo missed Aaron too she wrote him when she was strong enough after almost four years away in 1812 Aaron finally got a passport wow but the ship he was on was ordered to dock in London so he gets on a ship in Paris or not in Paris but wherever he gets on it in France it's then ordered

to dock in London the ships had more pigs than people on it so Aaron asked if he could go into London while whatever business was done was done and then when he came back the captain refused to let him back on board now he's already paid for the trip right and he's not supposed to be in England no he desperately tries to get another ships that are there and they all turn him away no one wants me we end up tell me this ends with a pig costume please no one wants to carry the famous Aaron bore I'm the bore he paid for his ticket like I said he had no money to buy another one he spends now about six months

wow getting loans from friends and acquaintances he sold all the gifts he had bought for Theo and his grandson eventually he had enough money to buy a ticket home on a British ship and in this time he used a fake name nervous to see his family writing quote my heart beats with joy yet alas the country which I am so anxious to revisit will perhaps reject me with horror so Theo now writes to all of his old friends acquaintances trying to sort of ward off a disastrous return right she just doesn't want to be a nightmare and she writes the first lady Dolly Madison she wrote out Albert Gallatin whose

citizenship he had defended years ago the guy who was the senator that they kicked out other people no one will help some didn't even answer the letters they're just like right so his ship docks in Boston and he's so nervous that he's gonna be recognized that he stays on board after all the passengers have gotten off may I live on the ship sorry could I just be like a barnacle on this I'll be a barnacle I'll be a ship board I'm part I'll be part of the ship you won't even know I'm here I know I'll be a place yes please go anyone got to go aww so that night the ship is tossed around there's a big icy storm you know

Boston what are they calling me no reason no reason there's a noise sir and every member of the crew gets off except for Aaron so he's alone on the ship sleeping but the next morning he he's hungry and so he finally has to get off the ship he puts on a disguise I'd love to have a look I don't know what it was but I know he had a wig and he had grown a beard on the voyage so he has a wig on and a beard how about these red socks I think they got a real shot to go all the way this year huh yeah so as he he takes his things off the boat customs inspectors stop him and just start taking everything out of his whatever

trunks or whatever and throwing them on the ground a lot of peas they're going through it and there's a crowd that's gathered around to watch the that's always fun that's that's that's that's super fun he's horrified when they open books that he's written his name in and there's packets of letters marked with a burr thrown down in full view of the crowd so he's scrambling to hide this stuff uh-huh and then spends an hour repacking everything quote sweating like a horse worried someone will recognize him it's amazing that nobody pieced it together but he's got all these these books say they're Aaron Burr that's very

strange look at his sweaters yeah he's got a lot of sweaters too I mean I assume it's four years later so maybe they've just forgotten and it doesn't say Aaron Burch it says a burr so maybe right we can also assume there's a ton of burrs because a bill burr and Aaron Burr so there's probably a shitload of burrs in Boston yeah dirty dirty lineage back yep so he doesn't get recognized and he stays in Boston and for weeks now he's really mostly worried about what happens when he goes back to New York because that's where he's from and that's where he's really known uh-huh he he's again he's very generous

he loans his landlady $16 when he only had his landlady he only had $26 to his name so who's loaning land imagine your landlord being like I can you can you give me double rent this much I'll pay it back I'll pay it back for sure yeah we'll work it out like I'll let you stay an extra day or whatever you know part of me wonders if I should get a job but if you'll give me money that'd be cool he often let money to people he didn't have he got a Boston directory to look for people who might lend money to him and he found a guy he had served with during the war now we're fucking years later obviously right they hadn't

seen each other since the 1770s and I love I love the I love the the foaming of the runway to come in for the landing oh my god George George wow it's been a while gosh I'll tell you this is fantastic it's got to be what 20 30 years look at us you seem to be doing pretty well I now I would have just like waited or hid around the corner until he walked out of his house and they're like whoa oh that's what I'm pitching he just walked up and knocked on the door can I get money give me money I'm very poor well the guy was so nice and friendly and stuff that Aaron was too embarrassed to ask for money and so he didn't oh it

just ends up just having a rendezvous he had probably gave him some money he's up here at $5 I feel so bad for what I was thinking he had a wealthy friend from Princeton that he found who refused to help him nice and then his last attempt was a woman who he hadn't seen in 16 years and she's thrilled to see him but she's just incredibly poor so so he can't he can't get any loans it's not going great and then a friend writes him as is New York is actually I think you'll be okay here so he goes to Manhattan and he gets rid of his disguise he still had the beard and the wig so he gets rid of it and he opens up

a law practice and it does well people like don't opens it like under his name yeah and people don't seem to care and his his like infamy for being treasonous and all the shit doesn't matter because people want a lawyer that will win and he his rep is that he never lost a case so nobody fucking cares it's just right yeah I'm so this is a time when people like had a high bar for the morality of lawyers or something that's right yeah yeah female clients especially flocked to him looking for divorces they knew him as a man yeah I'm causing most of them so we will fuck and the divorce will happen too I guess uh-huh they knew him

as a man who would listen to their side of things here at finger bang lick and suck we're gonna do everything we can to make you come I'm sorry can we do another one that's not that's just not perfect he also often loaned the money so yeah so he worked from early in the morning until 10 p.m. and then he slept on a hard bench in his office only to wake and start all over again nice so he's living like a like a stooge yeah he wrote to Theo telling her that he was in New York and was eager to see her and his grandson but her letter back was very grim quote a few miserable days past father and your letters would have gladdened my

soul but there's no more joy for me the world is a blank I lost my boy my child is gone forever hmm so her son had died from a fever just days before he was 11 obviously Aaron very upset and from then on whenever his grandson was mentioned he would get tears in his eyes and quickly quote fold his arms tight tightly over his breast as if by mere physical strength to repress the rising tide of emotion hmm so he would cinch off his feelings correct and he's terrified this tragedy would kill Theo who's already you know and really bad health so her her husband and Theo they all agree that going to see Aaron is

probably the best thing for her at this point but she had to go alone because her husband is the governor of South Carolina and he has to stay there so she can't take the carriage because the their carriage driver is a drunk I don't this is the this is one of my not parts in place that why not get a new non-drunk driver I don't know yeah unions I don't know the drunk union no the drug the carriage union the teamster I welcome all about us hello there governor it were to the carry which direction we had it in this evening sir I must warn you I feel like some of the horses had a little bit of

ale so if you know is any directional in front of improper impracticalities it is there's certainly something to do with the ponies having consumed ale and a little bit of whiskey and they are dying to have a bacon sandwich but good to see you sir permission permission permission permission permission granted sir we're gonna take a we're gonna take a ship thank you you my brother is a ship driver no sir I'm in charge of ships that's just one of the things you got a good feeling about this I must warn you some of the runners had been drinking this evening you find that they actually love a gin and tonic but it should be

fine yeah you're good hands with my brother sir I love you Dan is Dave Dave what a stupid name that is wait it's fine Dave's is Dave's only the idiots are named Dave I agree that's why I'm called Dan hey no parent with another logical mindset whatever call itself Dave Dave it's not even a name David is a more I don't like either I mean neither my friend and I as the governor agree the name Dave is dog shit hey now let's yeah yeah I mean I'm having a riff bit sometimes what's up but you want to tag sometimes your riffing goes too far and it's hurtful it's hurt what your riffs and what are you talking about and I'm

not doing a character right now I'm talking to Gareth you're being whose name I honor new choice duck soup better whose name I honor so Theo ends up getting on a ship she takes the Patriot she brings all of Aaron's writings that she'd been keeping for him oh gosh so he waits for a ship doesn't come hmm days go by and he's writing back and forth with her husband they're really worried the Patriot it's never seen again it probably it probably sank in a storm and she drowned what but for months papers are speculating her ship was taken by pirates and Theo was captive in a prison somewhere like people are just

making shit nice nice he he's holding out hope that she'll show up alive but eventually just gives up and he tells a friend quote she's indeed dead not all the prisons in the world could keep her from her father man even years later people are still we're still speculating about what happened to her so all because of a drunk carriage driver yeah crashed into the ship yeah might be time to let him go Aaron yeah right it would be like what if I just fired the driver or just hired a different driver like whatever yeah for that night yeah higher a carriage for that night yeah so Aaron he's lost the daughter that he basically

lived for lost his grandchild he now uncharacteristic despair he wrote he felt quote severed from the human race and when I realized the truth of her death the world became a blank to me and life had then lost all its value he's still you know he still tries to carve out a place for himself in America he made friends many many of the women he sponsored the education of children biographer Nancy Eisenberg wrote Aaron quote needed the company of women and he adored children looking for ways to recreate a sense of family and intimacy that had been lost to him he took he started taking kids under his wing to to

fill the void left by his family he took in kids who were probably illegitimate sons one from a European affair who sailed from France as a young kid he never disputed paternity even when being the father was impossible so if someone said what was what is the what is the birth control in this era I think you could use lambs bladders as condoms at this point other than that it's probably just pull out thank you for an erotic answer that's all yeah you got it so you so every time every time you banged you would basically had killed a lamb no no you would wash it out and reuse it oh so

you reusable lamb bladder yeah welcome welcome to my world because I try to recycle and drive him with the rubber out the window in your car there you go don't mind me I'm just recycling so a lambs bladders okay he also took in a lawyer who would help them win his treason trial he would have fallen on bad luck he had lost his his like he had had strokes and was having problems so Aaron cared for him until he died he also took in clients entire families when they needed it husband wife kids if they needed a place to stay so he's just super generous right it's doubtful love oh wait sorry in 1833 77-year-old Aaron

decided to get married again to a notorious and wealthy 58-year-old woman named Eliza Jernel sorry Jumel Jumel was one of the few people whispered about more than Aaron in New York she came from nothing she became a sex worker and a stage extra before she married a rich wine merchant and she's very good-looking and very smart very good with business also brash and very quick to insult people including her husbands so really doubtful that love had anything to do with it she she wanted to boost her social standing by marrying an ex-vice president even if it was Aaron I like the idea that like

your reputation is so soiled that marrying Aaron Burr is going to like help you you know I need someone who's got an untarnished background like you Burr bad yeah so his having his name would tire to elite families and like Aaron always needed money his law practice is doing well but he had he had just borrowed tons of money for his treason trial and while he was in Europe so he just he just has creditors everywhere right so the marriage is not good they got married in July and by October Aaron moved out of the mansion I mean he's 77 like I don't know how you you know what I mean like it's just it seems like

at that point you're like all right yeah this is my last my last dance right here and instead you're just like look this is impossible I can't be tied down like this I'm a bachelor at heart I just I think she was just mean I mean it just sounds like she was mean to people but right whatever so I mean all you want to do is just like I'll settle for this you know like I can't even settle for this yeah so soon after moving out he had a stroke Jumel accused him of mismanaging funds once they were married Aaron's creditors had tried to see so see some of her property pay his debt so that you know

you know makes up that's a tense yeah kind of on her side with that one she also accused him of adultery with a woman who was 50 years younger but old was she no 50 she was 58 he's 77 so she sang he's like 50 years younger than him so yeah Jesus Christ for a minute I was like buddy no we might need to take a time out adultery now was the only legal way she could dissolve the marriage so she may have made it up but it's also Aaron Burr like you know dude yeah yeah Aaron said she was an adulterer also probably maybe not true we don't know and that she had been cruel to him after his stroke one doctors didn't think he would

live he denied the adultery charges saying his mate his age made having a sexual affair quote according to the law of nature impossible so he's like my defenses I can't get I know I can't fight look at this come here everybody watch come on it's looking so I've got all I've gets out dead day he put a two year old girl in his will even though he knew he wasn't her father he would have had to conceive her at 78 after the stroke so he could have been a friend asked why he did this and he replied quote sir when a lady does me the honor of naming me the father of her child I trust I shall always be too gallant to

show myself ungrateful of the favor a different time someone imagine someone's standing up and saying that I'm Maury Bovich yes are you ready to find out the results I don't care the results Maury I'm going to take care of her either way what an honor to be here in 1836 he had another stroke and this one paralyzed him he relied on a friend and her husband who let him stay in their home and cared for him we're about to eat dinner so if you could yeah he was given a room his own room he hung up his portion of Theo sometimes he would just silently weep and look at it a lot of people came to visit him one saw Aaron

holding a newspaper which celebrated American taking Texas from Mexico and he said quote there you see I was right I was only 30 years too soon what was treason in me 30 years ago is patriotism now sir this is a Wendy's later that year he was moved to hotel by the sea though he clearly only had a few weeks or months to live he tried to persuade people to take him into Manhattan so he could resume work at his law practice and everyone's like what everyone's like no no you're too old to lawyer it's such a politician moved to not fucking stop working yeah well he but I mean hey I mean his is like it's it's a

very it's like a lot of his life was kind of delayed or put on hold yeah so he still has like a lot in the tank mentally where he's like I want to like make my mark yeah but it's too late yeah yeah his friends all said no so he paid a random fisherman to take him but on the way there he realized it was a mistake and had him turn back will you turn around this has been a really weird trip sir he died on September 14th 1836 when he was 80 years old it was the same day his divorce was finalized I'll bet he's still banged his last word was my damn he was asking he was asking after a friend who had been super kind to him

in his last year so he's buried next to his father and grandfather at Princeton all his life he kept a collection of letters from women he'd known some apparently very risque letters but he requested they be burned when he died to save the women from embarrassment so his biography I'd like to be buried and I'd like my sexual letters to be cremated I would like my sexual letters bound and put together in a book called penthouse forum his biography Davis did burn the letters but apparently read them all first as he went on to disparage the morality of the women who had written

them he didn't say I couldn't read him first he didn't want it he didn't want the women bagged on that was his whole thing right and that's this guy completely fog it yeah many historians insist on seeing birth through the eyes of Alexander Hamilton who was a political enemy and he worked to destroy his political career from day one so it would be like it would be like if you are a historian and you just take what Newt Gingrich said about Bill Clinton that's not how this works and Hamilton seems to have been a total fucking dick like that's what ended his you know time at the top people didn't like him the

sexualization of Aaron Byrne never stopped after he died there was an erotic novel written about him in 1861 so that's like almost 25 years after he died basically it was just a bunch of little vignettes of him banging women in fields across New England so he's still he's still see I mean buddy what look he had to be was either a sex addict or he just fucking loved sex but either way yeah you know that that followed in this whole career all the all the things at the beginning of his career when people were making up stories about you know banging dudes and all that stuff well it all came from a

place of truth which was a dude like to fuck a lot and and I mean that that is considered like through the eyes of the society at the time that is a negative yeah but I mean they were fucking squarely fuckers back then like they right you know I think more maybe more open about sex and stuff then then you know what came later certainly more than a Victorian era and shit right right right you know some stuff we've got a little backwards on but yeah you know overall Aaron Burr I would say I deal with progressive ideas yeah much more left than almost any of the other founding fathers but you know own slaves

possibly raped a servant either way you know that's a bad bad thing yeah you know super complicated dude they all were but of the founding fathers maybe the best the founding fathers were all shit they're all greedy corporate fuck heads I don't know if he's a founding father because he wasn't there for the Constitution writing it wasn't a part of it yeah so I guess my the reason I wanted to do Aaron Burr episode is because I think Hamilton is everything as a leftist you should be against right so I got I took well he's just up he's an anti-immigrant pro bank like he's he's just but it also shows you it does

show you that like I mean and I among them it's very easy to just not know what the fuck is going on because you like these songs are catchy it's rhyme scheme is fantastic so there's two ways of thinking which came through you know I went and I read some of the comments people are making people there there's people who are there there's well first of all people like well you haven't seen the you haven't seen the play so you can't criticize it I'm not gonna see the play I would rather have my eyes taken out watch a musical I fucking hate musicals but why but also why why I don't understand necessarily why I mean

the musical is certainly pro Hamilton well people say it isn't that's so this is really in the comments I will take it from my my view of our culture is that a play came out about Hamilton and people have a very positive view of Hamilton after it yeah yes you could say that's not true and a lot of people said well those people are dumb right they're dumb it's America I just put myself in that camp real quick no no but you have have you seen it I I've seen I saw I watched it on like Disney or something like that but but but a lot of people there were people certainly not negative it's certainly not a negative portrayal of

Alexander Hamilton that's right a lot of people also said I've seen it five or six times and it definitely is pro Hamilton so there's two people there's two thoughts of people who've seen the play and this other thing this other thing of history and pop culture I am I am always gonna be a critic if anything historical is written and it's full of non-truths and half-truths or it tries to propagandize or whitewash something oh we are living in a time of rising fascism fascism comes because people don't know history they're trying to erase history that's what fascists do that's what the CRT all that shit that

during in schools that's all about erasing history so in a time that we're living in I don't think you should ever dismiss something like Hamilton if there's problems with the facts in it I think that's bad I also think there's a lot of people that are like well the music's good okay I don't again I live through rent in New York it was an intolerable time I don't like musicals but artists don't go to the top of the power structure to work on art if you are an artist you don't go to the White House to get approval for your art that is not what fucking art is to me that is bullshit that is propaganda and

that is bad not in this fucking country you don't do that not not if you're anything on the fucking left oh but we had a leftist president in the office the president who said I am most similar to Reagan no so that's my problem with him as an artist I find that to be reprehensible yeah but that's because I'm an artist that's that's my belief system well I think you also like in the you know in the way that it works now and I mean it is so fucking frustrating you know like if you become popular then you get access to this next level of power and nobody ever is denying that and nobody's ever calling it out nobody's

ever like hey I got invited to the White House but I'm gonna say fuck you because I believe that we're you know killing innocent people all over the world and I'm simply not gonna you know something like that like yeah people just don't like they just it's the White House Will Ferrell got invited to go to his George W. Bush and he was like no because I really disagree with everything he's doing but and I mean I guess it happened under Trump and to some extent but but when it comes to the Democrats you know people just I think because the arts are kind of the people

are more liberally minded but they never are calling out the problems if you get access to that level for the most part there's never people who are going like you know our government is fucking sucks and I'm not gonna be complicit in a part of it and help spread and help manufacture consent that's right and and at the time Obama is there's there's a problem with debt in Puerto Rico it's really fucking devastating they have like a like an 80 billion dollars debt of municipal bonds and shit like over decades and Obama put together this thing called PROMISA which was this oversight board that put austerity

measures on Puerto Rico schools closed, tuitions went up, budget cuts like all the austerity shit that's a fucking nightmare and Miranda supported it because Miranda is working within the power structure she's an artist going to the White House so he's backing a thing that is harming people he now is against it years later but at the time supports it so that's that's where you we're getting into this murky fucking area and and you know that's very problematic especially with what Puerto Rico is going through but look in in in Hamilton Burr is a man without a moral compass he's he's he's pushed by

envy of Hamilton he desperately wants power his only goal in life is to take out Hamilton and that leads to their dual all bullshit not not true now there is a at that I I I brought this up and people like no he's a great historian Chernow is all Ron Chernow's but okay first of all I called him a tech a Wall Street tech writer which people got upset about right I was using exaggeration that's what you're being problematic yeah that's what people do the comedian types do yeah he's not everyone knows he's not a fucking tech writer I was fucking taking a slam and a guy who has a financial you're being hyperbolic he

has a financial writing past that means his mindset is of a particular thing that's the point I was trying to make I guess I had to spell it out more no he's not a tech writer what he is is a guy with a financial writing background who therefore has a Wall Street type of mind I I guess he's but what he is not is a historian as I'm not a historian why am I not a historian I don't have a degree in history from a college where I learned how to fucking what wade through this shit I'm a I'm a I'm like him I'm a pop culture comedian trying to make history entertaining so that people don't walk away with the sort of knowledge they

learned as kids like there's more to this story but when you're a guy like Chernow that's not your goal your goal is to prop up someone like Hamilton who is as we said before as was said in in a congressional report one of the the current congressional report came out in 1947 it's called fascist of an action and elicit Hamilton as an intellectual inspiration for the Nazi regime that's here's what happened with Hamilton Hamilton was super popular because biographies are written about him go through the 1800s and stuff people who loved Alexander Hamilton Andrew Carnegie Henry Clay Frick Napoleon Andrew

Mellon who put Hamilton's face on the $10 bill Mellon was the third richest man in the country those are the people who love Hamilton so when the Great Depression happened this guy named FDR blamed Hamilton because Hamilton created Wall Street and all the systems and dynamics in place that led to the Great Depression Jefferson by FDR got the opposite treatment so what happened after that because FDR was so popular was that was the end of Hamilton being looked at by scholars having biographies written about him FDR killed him off rightfully so he's a fucking bad dude who props up the rich and makes the poor

suffer that was his whole thing so all these years go by and what we have experienced as as people on the left and people who thought FDR was very close to what we need to do his history he's been wiped out the Democrats the Clinton Democrats the DLC Democrats have reversed the new deal along with Reagan and they've been reversing the new deal so Chernow's book is part of that pattern now they're rewriting the past to make Hamilton better and it's propaganda this is what propaganda is so it's also it's very why that's so upsetting is because it's it's like it's just baked into the recipe in this country of course it is

prop propaganda is just like even when you're talking about CRT it's like it's not like we're undoing these totally accurate history books right like there's still they weren't there already right and it was too much for us yeah it did now we're reverting back to the version that was already horrendous totally and from the not good enough so Chernow Chernow went into a space that that it was a dearth of Hamilton stuff and so when he wrote it it was very exciting and very big but look Chernow's not a historian he has he has a a degree in English literature so people who were criticizing their upset with me

kept saying he's a historian well that's misinformation he's not a historian he's as much any more than I am I'm just a fucking comedian doing stuff he's an English literature guy doing stuff and I'm an I'm a historian okay so a lot of stuff was written about Chernow's book when it came out by historians and a lot of them bagged on the book there's a shitload of there's actually a shitload of material it's I think it's at Columbia of all the stuff on Hamilton Chernow went and found other sources so I'm gonna read this it's from a historian named Willard Stern Randall he specializes as an author in biographies

related to the American colonial period and the American Revolution teaches history at Chaplin College in Burlington Vermont so this is what he had to say about Chernow's book Chernow devotes Morse Bay and I'm just gonna take some of the some of the review but it's in the it's in the archive on Boston.com it's called Hamilton a flawed portrait. Chernow devotes much more space to Hamilton's wife and family than previous biographers his wife outlived him by 50 years she did much for widows and orphans but after Hamilton's death she destroyed any of his controversial correspondence she could find including

her own letters to him she rebuffed all biographers leaving the tasks to her son the extremely partisan John Church Hamilton he put it and her off until her death so a lot like what happened with the Bible one result is that much of what he wrote is uncorroborated as all the other witnesses had long since died unfortunately Chernow in his first foray into the 18th century leans too heavily on this and other outdated antiquarian sources as a substitute for deep archival research not at all home in the foreign country of that century despite the fact that he traveled widely in Hamilton's and his family's

footsteps he depends too much on the kind of history served up by amateur old-house historians and innkeepers as a result his account of Hamilton's early life in the Caribbean for example bullers centuries and reads like an old-fashioned Errol Flynn style bodice ripper a deeper problem is one of proof Chernow all too frequently uses speculative constructions such as must-have it seems one can hazard an educated guess that's not what historians do they don't fucking do that you don't just then presuppose what someone would have thought or done there are limits to the degree of supposition in history and

biography that are stricter than those in historical fiction it is aligned Chernow crosses imagining more than he can prove bending to a more sensational story Chernow demolishes Hamilton's mother turning into a floozy he depends on the unchallenged and uncorroborated accusations of her first husband's divorce papers he depicts Rachel Fawcett Lavian Hamilton daughter of a wealthy and respected Huguenot planter and physician as the sleep-round daughter of a seamstress what little can be proven about Rachel appears in Danish court records translated into English a century ago most of all she was luckless

teenage bride of a much older debt-ridden Danish Jewish merchant planter who squandered her dowry and that her and then had her locked up for refusing to sleep with him she fled to her wealthy family's estate where she met young James Hamilton son of a rich Scottish lair so this is Chernow so you can get mad at me for taking potshots at him but I got I've read about him it's not I have to go through sources for this show and when I go through sources I find a lot of shit that I go you that's not a good source Chernow is not a good source for Hamilton because he is trying to re-correct what the new deal did to

Hamilton that's what these people are all doing what I mean I think two things one is like what you're saying is that you can't write history if you have an angle like look I I have an angle my angle is I you know yeah but you can the untread sure but you're so you're so but the difference is so you're finding sources I'm trying to I mean I guess I guess it is I guess it is similar it's just that what the point of what you just read is the sources he's finding are unreliable and should not be sources and the ones you're finding you feel secure enough that they are actual sources to prove you they're evident I

absolutely I try to and look I'm gonna make mistakes and people have called me on and I've you know I've looked in and gone yeah you were right I've left stuff out that I didn't realize like I try to paint a good picture when I when I when I go up to someone like McCain I'm also not gonna laud him for any of the good things he did you know what I mean like I'm always gonna take that angle like that's everyone knows that's what I do well and also every other people have done that to to the degree where you don't need another person to sort of say the thing the positive McCain stuff what's interesting is saying here's the

stuff you don't know about this person yeah and look when it when it comes to turnout the the story of Hamilton's past and and where he came from like John Adams would attack him for being the bastard brat of us a Scott's peddler which isn't the reality and so he is like his whole his whole background of Hamilton is you know really bad yeah and that's sort of the basis of of the play of the musical you know so so it's it's all when you do this stuff you you come from an angle everyone knows my angle I'm a fucking socialist and a leftist and and so I'm gonna view everything through that thing but you

can't act like Chernow is an unbiased historian he's not he's an English literature guy who's writing pop pop history and he has a fucking angle he's he's the finance guy and Hamilton's the the fucking god of finance and the play in the musical is based on that so you're getting a copy of that angle and he he also he also I would never write a book like this because I'm a fucking comedian and let you know I I when it comes to researching history because I have researchers who who have history degrees and the person who wrote this I believe she's one of them a history like works in research like does this stuff

and Chernow doesn't do that there's another one his assertion that Rachel Hamilton was a notorious woman he writes that she was denied burial in an angelic and churchyard as sanctioned for a sinful life but angelic and church arts overseas are for clergy and she couldn't have been married there so he he's presupposing things that just comes from ignorance right and I wouldn't know that I wouldn't know that right but I also wouldn't write I also wouldn't then jump to a conclusion that that's why she wasn't buried there right so yeah it's it's it's probably like I'm gonna read this this is this is this

historians closing on Chernow and while the literate Chernow still excels as an old-time armchair rack and tour providing many enjoyable asides for history wow his first foray into the 18th century has to be deemed a misadventure most amazingly it allows him to walk away misjudging the classic prose of Hamilton's federalist federalist papers which is the whole fucking point so yeah so yeah you guys can criticize me and be really upset that I took on Chernow but and great he's a great fucking he's a great fucking writer we can't take that away from him he won awards and he did all his shit it

is a readable book people really enjoy it but don't tell me it's accurate history it's not there's a ton of there's a ton of and people are like yeah but it won this history yeah but 50% historians think that Reagan was the best fucking president like historians are as fucked up as anybody but there is a vein of history in which people are really good at determining the truth and this is this is a book that is pretty savagely attacked by legitimate historians now on top of that you have a guy who then made a play based on it and he and he says he did research other stuff but the play the play is also problematic it very

much I think it's called founding father's chic it falls into the founding father's chic thing it it it it lessens Hamilton's anti-immigrant fucking vileness it it it's it's just problematic from from a white wash in the slavery which they all everything does which is a big problem is why we're here it's why we find ourselves where we are now because we haven't reckoned with that so yeah so you know and I and again like I said you can like Miranda for what he's done I think that an artist who collaborates with the president is grotesque that's my opinion you can have your own opinion about it and say

it's awesome but that's not what art art isn't supposed to go along with the powers to be it's not yeah it's not yeah yeah I mean you're getting manipulated in a way I think when last thing is like I think when we go to Australia people sometimes will ask you you know to do a story about like you know some story about an aboriginal story or stuff like that one of the things that you'll say is that it's difficult because a lot of that history has been erased yeah it's difficult for you to get the story right because there is a lot and the same thing when people will talk about like the stories of certain feminism or

something like that like the white men were writing down the history right and so there's a lot of like dead ends of misinformation where it's a little more difficult to determine because again you know the power the powerful write the history right and there is they're not going to tell you the truth and that's by design and that's what makes it so difficult and that in a way is like the thrust of the show is that it's like I went into the I started doing this show being like it's not that bad and then now I'm like oh my god like it's just like you know it's a it's a hall of horrors yeah it's really it's really hard but we

also we do we we we we are taught and it is embedded in us in this country to believe that these founding fathers were brilliant and beyond their time and have everlasting brilliance and if you question that you are considered unpatriotic right but look at where we are if this plan was so fucking great how are we here right why is it like this right is this part of it because this is what happens when you find things that are archaic unchangeable it's not a good system if it's set up by them then it was a bad call if it's just that we've manipulated it to make you think that way it's still not working out you're

never gonna find the power the people in power are never gonna tell you that the system that they're atop of is fucked yeah they just won't they'll keep telling you it's going well until we're all dead yeah I mean you know the reason that they that they back all this up and that they pushed this it's all it's a religion there are reverence for the founding fathers as a religion and it's creepy and fucking weird to people in other countries yeah it's it's bad and but the reason you when you're just like they are so brilliant and you're like they all had slaves and a lot of them were like sexually abusing and they're

like well yeah okay that but but when it came to the other stuff you're like I'm sorry I don't feel like glossing over that is as a simplistic thing and you don't get to say yeah but that was the time no it wasn't because we keep coming up with people from history who didn't believe in that stuff yeah and the abolitionism fought against it and by the way it's the people who changed the history that they now are like Martin Luther King like the way that people in our government now are like he was a hero yeah it's like they represent the system that was trying to fucking shut him down every step of the way and that just goes

back further and further and further and that's all they're trying to do and then once it breaks through the cracks it's en vogue to be like oh yeah no oh gosh yeah let's get t-shirts made and stuff like that it's like they don't want that we have people like that now who are in fucking jail and it's because they don't want you to hear the shit they're saying they're not the people who get the change to happen they're the people who try to stop it and when it breaks through they take advantage of it yeah yeah it's the the the adoration for the Founding Fathers is the biggest problem and that's why I find books and plays and

stuff like this extremely problematic what are the odds what are the odds what are the odds for patreon Dave that we can watch Hamilton oh my god I don't know if I could do come on come on what how about half of it we'll do a half old him come on come on baby girl what are you gonna make me watch top gun next why have you ever seen top gun cuz it's gonna go for the military we gotta do it that's what my buddy my buddy Luke was saying when he watched the new top gun it's people go like yeah and he's like wait who are who are who are they killing that matter yeah sorry I feel like it's a problem well I mean yeah I

mean you get shit but I think it's look again what's the problem with questioning this stuff why don't why are people to question I don't know if people got upset with the questioning they people got really upset that I called him a Wall Street tech writer which is exaggeration it's a classic tactic that people use but I also get that's the same way I get upset when people call my history historian so you can a lot of people saying that I shouldn't call him a tech writer we're calling him a historian so right back at you yeah yeah I get I get why people like you took pot you took pot shots at

Lynn right yeah okay I take pot shot said everybody who writes fucking musicals I hate musicals you got it you got it you got to understand that filter I fucking hate them devil's advocate mr. Moustaphalese awesome song I have no idea what you're talking about oh well I never was there ever I don't I have no idea what you're talking about a cat so clever as magical mr. Moustaphalese bannam bannam oh well I never was there ever a cat so clever as magical mr. Smiley Smiley's aloof I head to the tip of his tail I might I might enjoy cats because that sounds like I might go on mushrooms and enjoy because that sounds

really the craziest fucking thing ever buddy let me tell you something if you fucking go to see cats on mushrooms yeah your head will explode I I am fuck what was I gonna say shit top gun no you you you run my train of thought by saying cats well you hate musicals I did I do I don't know I don't know what I was gonna say but it was really is really important it's worth it it might be the most important thing I ever thought of that you're lucky that I trumped it with the most important song lyrics from cats and that you know them is extremely disturbing and we're gonna need to talk about that hmm that's a

problem for our relationship moving forward Hamilton patreon let's dance call it hamtree on it's bad enough I'm watching the West Wing yeah no but I've done that show twice and it is a painful thing to do but you've made me do it so yeah let's go well a four-parter well done David you are like you said one of our greatest historians that's a quote yeah yeah sources Eisenberg Nancy Fallon founder the life of Aaron Burr Aaron Burr edited by William Bixby Aaron Burr the memoirs of Aaron Burr by Matthew Davis that's the guy who wrote it whatever Hamilton and

Jefferson a studying character by Roger Kennedy the founding brothers the revolutionary generation by Joseph Ellis American Emperor Aaron Burr's challenge to Jefferson's America by David Stewart the life in times of Aaron Burr by James Parton a remarkable rise of Eliza Jumail by Margaret Oppenheimer the treason trial of Aaron Burr by Kent Newmire founding feuds by Paul Aaron new view on Burr treason case letter by Edwin McDowell a lot of stuff from the National Archives and then this this article on boston.com Hamilton a flawed Partridge now it supposes too much and verifies too little by a Willard Stern

a Randall and all of the research was done by Brittany Brown that's it thank you carry on