The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 562 - Boston Prudes and Nudes

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the New England Watch and Ward Society's fight against vice. Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch     Squarespace Mindboom

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he's a Christo also known as the magic man in Peru or a Cloud Daddy Clodati Sky Skyman Sky Sky Gramps late May this happened in late May I couldn't find the exact date the Park Street Church in Boston Massachusetts four or five hundred people men gathered to found a good feeling no gathered to found the New England Society for the suppression of vice this they're okay are they of there they've got to be a vice-suppressing squad oh yeah wow so this is coming in hot are you coveting hey hey were you coveting I think he was coveting beat him until he don't cover it no more don't get ready your covets get

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well I don't know what's going on this is everything we're saying is totally crazy so the society would in a couple years they would change their name to the New England Watch and Ward Society so that's what I'll be going with a lot okay that's just easier the the church was very well known it's a very well known church it was where William Lloyd Garrison launched his anti-slavery campaign in 1829 it was where the Prison Reform Society began and where the American Temperance Society was established so pretty pretty rigid church yeah I don't I probably don't have to say this but Protestants nice you

can believe it yeah the ones that like even like religious people like boy these people out of their minds wow you guys relax chill what about this how about a not work day so women were not allowed in on this day in the church because the men were discussing obscenity so that'll break a lady's brain or whatever like it makes them but 25 women stood at the entrance trying to talk their way in one loud I love boobs one loudly question quote if this is a meeting for the suppression of vice why can't we go in I suppress vice all the time yeah I'm a carrot for God's sakes now wait so they're going in there to

suppress vice and women can't come in because of swearing so no because of what they're gonna just not just swearing sure swearing it's part of what a lady should not ever I don't think I've ever heard a woman's war but they don't want they're gonna be discussing some some pretty touchy subjects in the okay that women couldn't handle okay yeah the women like they would just it's just interest it's just there is some sort of hypocrisy in the idea of like look we're doing something that you couldn't understand it sounds like a vice not a vice it's not a vice totally different than a vice they just don't

think the women's delicate ears are ready to handle the what's the dicks and all the stuff that's gonna be talked about right okay as far as the vice we're talking about literature and pictures that's mostly what's being discussed okay now as far as the pictures Boston Police Department didn't usually make arrests for naughty pictures okay they they believed they were there to keep the peace and even though pictures are illegal a nude pic wasn't something they're gonna you know go after they're gonna set up stings or whatever nude pic right okay what are you doing Jimmy those are titties what

do you want me to do you want me to take this guy down it's a pair it's a pair of titties hey look I hold on let's search his pockets he's got a bunch of titty shots in here what the fuck did you do Frankie I just like to see I like that I'm curious always curious what's under their bras yeah well that's the problem Frank you're a little too curious boy there's some great sets of boobs huh what are you doing you're digging a hole here kid I want to crawl in it what I'm gonna crawl in it and beat off Frankie stop talking man what are you doing I would like to grow build a jerk hole Frankie what please god damn it

listen to me you're putting yourself away for 20 years right now I'll spend 20 years down there as long as I can have my 18 pictures all I want to do is go in the little hole and then play with my little hole Frankie what I've been saying this to you forever get a get a fucking date get a just find a lady I know now there's no woman that'll understand I don't want a woman I need to be unfettered but what I would love to do is have a jack hole in the middle of Copley Square just a place where I can crawl into what I feel like having a beat and go to town is that so wrong yeah that's very wrong I just why I just want to take

my 18 pictures down in a 20-foot hole and just what I'm done you know play whack-a-mole play whack-a-mole with myself okay pretend it's time you're like it's taffy like it's a taffy I'm gonna tell you right now Frankie I'm gonna tell you to stop talking okay how am I gonna explain this to your dad make it look like silly putty actually if I fall asleep on one of the pictures maybe it'll imprint on me like it did with the funny pages I can't believe you're my cousin you offered for me to dig a hole no no you said dig a hole I'm saying yes I would love to have a hole in Copley Square where I okay all right all right

thank you use my pictures use my pictures hey I could even hang them up around the hall like their quarterback posters yeah that's pretty good idea I get it you want to come over some time no that'd be weird I'll see you on Sunday the family dinner I'll be in the hole I can't remember where we were need nobody in the hall anybody listening can't remember so with the obscenity stuff the cops they wouldn't do anything unless a citizen made a formal complaint about something yes that would be exactly and since dirty picks were for the most part pretty much enjoyed secretly people actually didn't go

into a hole in Copley Square and do it that mostly secretly not really so it's not really a thing that people would make formal complaints because they wouldn't know and so pretty hard to arrest someone right also for owning a book that was a suspicion of whacking right so at the meeting to found the society of this pression of vice Anthony Comstock was there who we had an episode 70 he had founded the New York Society for this pression of vice in 1873 so this New England one is like a franchise it's the first spinoff it's the first extension kind of deal okay did you talking about a cum stock no no give me a couple jobs I

could get it I could absolutely get like a you know Frank start going Frankie yeah this is why you can't get a job kid I don't need a job I have the whole you do need a job what we do need is a permit this New England one is the first franchise and in 1973 cum stock had passed I got laws through Congress called the quote suppression of trade-in and circulation of obscene literature and articles of immoral use and then comstock took that law and went way the further than it was designed to do he would bring charges against anyone sending literature on birth control or sexual education his first year he would

proudly say that he seized 130,000 pounds of obscene books and 194,000 pounds of naughty pictures that's how you sold pictures that's how you sold naughty pictures can I get an eighth of tits who's got a grandma bush come on hook me up I'm looking to get an ounce of butt can I take a look at your butthole pics today I'm looking for like a nice pound of something hey the first three but after that all right so I'll get a you know again I you know I don't like to look at that but I'll get a quarter pound of in a thigh and I'm gonna take and I'll take a half pound of just bosom there you go try that see that slice yeah that's

a nice slice there you go perfect all right there you go kid there you go was that like five cents it's like 1860 so yeah you a nickel if we have those all right let me go to the bank I got to take out a loam so cum stock was basically a special agent also of the post office and he pushed anti-vice laws that included his name so he's pretty into himself and he's pretty into this anti-wacking crusade that he's a piece of shit basically so really the elite Bostonians had been watching their city change for a little while losing power just watching everything there's like more and more Catholics coming in which

is very upsetting to them it's basically masturbating it's the Catholics it's basically the most Catholic city in America young men are starting to live alone like a guy's it got a bachelor pad even some young women are living alone which them is breaking their brains there's burlesque shows there's penny arcades there's tattoo parlors there's pool rooms and bedding and lotteries and the families just can't the ball pros and families just can't handle this elevator to heaven you're not gonna need that anymore so cum stock has been doing is he's been doing a little bit of icework in Boston for a while a group of

ministers would pay him to travel from New York to arrest people for selling naughty literature love the undercover porn biz it's hey hey hey fellas where we go into a look at dirty pictures and whack it tonight what do we say you go to my place I got an apartment right up the street where we could all go there and jacket yeah that sounds good I mean it's weird I just met you but yeah okay hey look I got a bunch of dirty pictures look oh yeah oh yeah holy moly look she's pushing a tits together look at how hard those nipples are my place and we all just spank it me and some of the boys were looking for a guy like you to come

around you're under arrest your piece of shit what I was just saying a masturbating that's not a masturbating is that a thing yeah absolutely it is you had intent to finish and I'm not gonna do that in my town you idiots what come up so um he a comp stuck like I said he's been doing his work here coming up doing his thing he had recently gone to the New England free love society convention in Boston and he went in there and arrested anarchist Ezra Haywood because Haywood and his wife published a magazine on love and feminism and sexuality the three nightmares yeah disgusting trial was pretty quick the judge did not allow the

pamphlets to be read in court or discussed any discussion on free speech I'll allow it okay I'm gonna start with page one Gregory took his hardened member outside of his denim pants while grace laid on the bed spread ready for entrance Gregory wasn't sure what he should do but he didn't have anything to wrap around his member so he slowly dipped in but he left part of the shaft in order all right all right all right may I approach the bench on my bottom may I scoot to the bench standings not an option I'm gonna scoot like a dog that has a worm so like I said the trial was quick nothing could be

there's nothing discussed at the trial couldn't bring up anything really he's convicted and sentenced to two years hard labor the Supreme Court agreed when he appealed and said yes you should go to jail for this but then he was pardoned by President Hayes after six months because people were you know really like now this shouldn't be a thing so all the while his wife Angela just kept cranking out the magazine and Comstock never arrested her but he did call her the foulest of the foul-mouthed women interesting so in a way the double standard kind of works to her advantage in a way well I think we had we have a

we have covered him and I he had a whole thing with a God I don't know would I can't remember her name too tired Veronica people are getting mad at me because she helped found parenthood but he had a whole he had a whole thing with her and I wonder if that's a little bit of part of it because he doesn't want to be seen you know just attacking women or right whatever like he might have gotten a little blowback on that but yeah for some reason he didn't want to prosecute her so she she was just openly discussing sexuality and women's rights which just infuriated him so at this meeting Comstock he gives a big

speech and he says he he has arrested 16 people in Boston and 13 of those were convicted but the material was still being published because there aren't laws to stop it and that's what he hopes this new society in New England will do come up with laws anti-vice laws stop this just crap from being stopped the production of it was did come do you know if come back then meant come I don't think so today it didn't that's a bum I'm hoping it didn't just because of whatever you're thinking well I'm just thinking it would be so great if his name was Comstock and well if it was calm but it's calm Comstock I'm sorry so not all

ministers are for this one guy actually stood up and pointed getting very pointed questions about his entrapment of an abortion provider named andro loman and Comstock very proudly said yes he had basically entrapped her which is weird thing to say because she had just slit her throat due to due to his campaign against her and after that when she slit her throat Comstock said quote a bloody end to a bloody life yeah you're not now nope that's the kind of guy he is but most people there at the meeting aren't like this minister who stood up and questioned him most are fine with him they wanted they want to end vice they

want to end vices and this is the guy to get in bed with if you're gonna end vice right with your clothes on that's right and they certainly don't care about this woman who killed herself because they're like well she's a bad she's a bad one right she was a sinner after his talk he did a little question answer the Bostonians thanked Comstock and quickly formed the New England Society for the suppression of vice soon to be the watch and war society it would combat the growing problem of indecency in books pictures and theater especially when it came to their influence on the children man it's

impressionable sweet babies you never ends it never ends it'll never end they're not they don't stop they're getting worse in America I mean some places they're better but we don't have them under control fighting the same shit yeah yeah the same shit yeah so anyone could join for five dollars but that's a pretty hefty price for back then so that doesn't mean anyone could join just rich people can join right but they still they're still not Comstock Comstock was very much a my way or the highway kind of guy he expected the New England group to follow his lead and

and actually send him money to support what he was doing in New York so he thinks this is a franchise I need to make a little bit scratch off this the guys in Boston did not like that they were a bit more nuanced than Comstock their officers were ministers and university presidents and former state reps and the like so they're he's more just one guy controlling everything in there a little more you know like well let's do this but not that they can't they come from the finest families in Boston and after four years they're completely done with Comstock and they cut ties with them they're like I can't

whatever you're doing I can't yeah that's good news for me in this hall yeah I was getting worried for a while that people was gonna try to shut me down because I put a top over it so that people couldn't look down so easily yeah we don't even know you there Frankie exactly yeah that's what's great is I just got this like every day I got I got a bucket of chicken and then I come back down here and I do what I came to do what's that whack it what are you how you making money how you getting money for the chicken I still chicken they throw out that they throw it someplace they throw the chicken out if it's cooked

improperly so I wait for the overcooked or the undercooked and then I put it in a slot bucket and then I raced down through the through the garden and then come over here and then jump in the hall put the top over you could mostly eat well I actually like my chicken a little undercooked I like it a little pink well speaking of that I don't want to talk to you Frankie I don't I'm not ready to host close the hole okay take take care close your hole let me know if this stuff to eat they had so the the society has some early wins on literature they they thought was harmful the kids literally particularly dime-storn novels

which had really salacious covers and stories of gunfights and Western outlaws and you know you know the guys robbing trains and the guys holding up banks and in the classics dime stores have never had a positive there's never dime stores have never been framed positively on this never everything like nefarious takes place in a dime store that's right there's just like the dime store show yeah exactly yeah it's just like all shady shit yeah the worst magazine or newspaper was the National Police Gazette which had illustrated stories all about violence and scandal and that's fine it had like pictures of topless

prize fighters and chorus girls and tights often on the papers cover that's not funny I don't like that oh they don't okay the National Police Gazette was in newsstands and right it right there in front of kids kids could see the cover see a prize a prize fighter without his top on or you know a lady if you can imagine so you couldn't see guys with their shirts off none of that business not a kid this is where you're still wearing the ones you to go swimming what are you what are you gonna you're gonna see guys nipples are you gonna handle that if you're like you got very normalized than I was a child well

yeah but look how crazy you are like you don't even make sense I love I love man tits I love women tits see it's got a nipple and skin behind it let's rock you made my point thank you so the society pushed the newsstands to stop selling okay guys come on what are you doing this is this is crazy come on these good dude guys without their shirts off there's kids here they did they went to the railroads and they a they were like hey you got to pull these publications from rail stations in the railroads like yes absolutely can we get sick days and they were like no that's crazy oh no they got a new law passed making an

illegal for minors to be allowed in a courtroom unless called by a witness because they thought the kids were idolizing the criminals and courtrooms had become basically a school of vice it's just like they never stop finding dumb shit and getting upset about it they never stop they never they oh and they always put stuff on it they're like like the drag queen thing where they're like drag queens are reading to children okay what yep like and that's just this the same thing like they're going in and watching trials okay they're learning about the trial system they're not like in there going how am I gonna

learn how to rob a bank like where do you make that jump it's also the like what you start with in this story is that like okay you're doing something you're doing something in private for like your own your own sort of existence what's the problem like what's the what is what is the issue yeah yeah like they did this with weed too they were just like oh yeah and then it was just like what the fuck what what do you think I'm doing I'm smoking weed staying home yeah the society oh I said that they there's no law there's no law against the publications right so they go to the newsstands and they're like please stop

selling this up the newsstands like what about go fuck yourself what about I make money you get away from me what about that he probably the guy was probably like you guys he probably pulled this joke back then where he's like you guys might want to read this paper and then he just pulled his middle finger out from behind a publication he's like yeah go to page there you go why did you guys read that the society also had no success trying to stop what it called commercialized vice okay quote we are not merely fighting evil and sin we are especially antagonizing organized evil now you wonder what that what do you

wonder what I'm talking about I'm sure I mean I like organized evil well we're talking about ads and store windows quote pandering to man's lowest tastes so it was probably like a sexy dress or whatever what are they even sexy dresses back then like you know yeah it's just showing a kneecap yeah it's literally nothing it's literally whatever it is guaranteed yeah they're just like cartoon characters like also theatrical posters with actresses and dancers in indecent attire according to them so it's just don't ever fuck is that the plan is like look don't ever get aroused to fornicate yeah I think I think they're

generally so procreation I think they're generally so fucked up sexually by the way they've been raised that seeing anybody out enjoying themselves and doing anything that's like hey this is titillating they lose their minds they they don't want to see it they do not want to see it that they're not they're not in cells though they're they're puritans there it's a totally different animal well but it's like when I when there's this Nick Fuente is not to like bring that asshole up again but where this clip where he's just like he's against people he's against people being gay and then he's like against men and

women being together because he's calls that gay and then you realize and then you realize he's just unloved and unlovable right and so he frames everything in this like amazing way of like you should never kiss nobody should ever kiss anybody that's gay and you're like wow yeah just just say you never had the courage to ask out a lady that's all you gotta say just say it just say it's fine it's okay just scared to ask out a lady it's not a big deal it's okay you don't have to destroy the world to take us all down so the there's famous actresses on these you know theater posters very little clothing also the

society was extremely upset by pictures that were given out when you bought a pack of cigarettes so actresses would have a little postcard of that they would make a deal with the cigarette company and the cigarette company would go out by the way we got a picture of Virginia you know Fairbanks to go with your pack of smokes and so a guy would buy that brand cuz he knows he's gonna get a little smoke if you don't mind and people would people would pass these around like you go to a bar you be like hey I got a Fairbanks or whatever you pass it around and then these would eventually end up in the hands of kids

because that's how these things work like at the end of the day a kid would find it on the ground and be like holy smokes and they the society couldn't handle that right and I don't think they're going far enough I don't think women should be in anything anything at all women's look let's be honest but women should not exist thank you Jimmy we need to get rid of women I think you said it clearly and this is our presidential candidate look it starts with them being in movies then it goes to movie posters then it goes to salacious stories then it goes to pictures of them spreading their goodies then it goes to

us all masturbating then it just goes to not stop until you have a room full of children circle jerkin playing ookey-cookey we need to get rid of the women and I still don't know how to make a come so make them illegal that's right and while the society does not openly talk shit about immigrants these actions are are always associated with immigrant groups they talked you know it's like cat it's like the Catholics like oh there's the here's the Irish Catholics the German Catholics like that's who they're really mad at so they talk they go to the state attorney and talk to him about outlawing books and then they

really went after Walt Whitman he had a new he had a new book coming out and I don't know how they got wind of what was in there but he had a a poem called to a common prostitute oh boy oh no and it was in the book leaves of grass and they wanted to censor it yeah that's porn hub and so they went to his publisher and the potters was like I'll talk to Walt and they were like you should probably change this and Whitman was going back and forth he's like well okay maybe I can change this line or this line and he's kind of working with them but they were being such unrelenting dicks that he he just he was like going crazy in 1882

society president Homer Sprig wrote quote next come the dirt eaters each rolling before him his darling morsel of literary filth disgusted with artificialities and linen decencies and finding a nutriment in leaves of grass but not in fig leaves so much in love with nature that like the poor human earthworms they wish to do in public what others do in private and abolish all laws against indecent exposure oh my god it reminds me have I put up the Phyllis Schlafly episode yet I have not but there is a Phyllis Schlafly moment where she says she's angry about because AIDS has has happened and people are dying and people are saying

we need to use condoms and she says I am so angry that we have to now talk I have to talk about condoms in public so that's what she's actually mad at right she's not mad at people dying they're not mad at those things they're mad that it makes them have to acknowledge it and discuss it it's also an admission of not eradicating like your plan isn't working so yes when you're talking about safety measures that's an admission of you haven't solved the thing you came to solve people are still fucking people are still sucking so sorry we're gonna go with like you know like you're saying nobody should be allowed to drive a car

and people are going well people are driving cars and they're still crashing so we need seatbelts and it's like I can't believe that we're even need to have the seatbelt conversation people should not be in cars that's right so what women finally is just done and he changes his publisher to one in Philly and the book comes out and sells out in one day is that partially just is this like publicly known that this is going on absolutely yeah so it's just great PR the publisher was actually trying to get the society in Boston to do more attacks on the book but he couldn't get them to he's writing please straight up

writing porn now the first right after the book sold out he said quote the Boston fools have already made me more than $2,000 just that part they still haven't cracked now after this the phrase banned in Boston became a way to sell your book Wow in America so it's like the parental advisory sticker yeah totally a hundred percent existing Massachusetts obscenity law banned printed material that quote contained language obscene indecent or impure but again as well as was all obscenity laws who was making that decision yeah right exactly a panel of douches so that's why cops aren't arresting people for it

was like well how do I know well so I'm this tittle this titillates me is what the right hey John does this make it dick hard let me believe it if it does you're going to jail you know what can I take it home and do some research on it for like six months oh I got a hole right here that I'm renting no Frankie I'm not coming to your hole I'm not coming to your hole hey I'm not counting your hole seems like I got a wife and kids I'm gonna take this to my wife we're gonna read it together we're gonna make love bring it like normal bring it down to the jackshack nobody in the family wants to come to your house or hole yeah it's

a hole right so I've caught it's the jackshack I got a little sign up front Frankie yeah my mom wants you to come home well your mom wants you to come home okay she can from my cold dead hand okay Frank check in just go go so it's a new way to sell books that it's it's it's the way it's the way to market a book band in Boston so so they they have this they have this this law that's they want to expand it the society's like we really got to blow this thing out we got to make it bigger yeah so they start they start working the legislature in Massachusetts not the federal and in 1880 the society were

able to get the phrase or manifestly trending to the corruption of the morals of youth added to what was early already part of the statement right so contained language obscene and decent or impure or and then you know tending to the corruption of more is it so it's it's now it's specifically directed at if you fuck with kids yeah right so they're very excited about this but then it comes out the laws published and it reads contained language obscene and decent or impure manifestly tending to the corruption of the morals and youth so the legislators had taken out or oh okay so the whole thing they were

fighting for is now gone I mean it just they played them the legislature completely played them and it completely changed the meaning is totally toothless and so now they're like okay the legislators not on our side we're on our own here okay it's our battle against vice now there were three photographers Thomas Burnham I think it's Edwin Gertz and Elmer Chickering and they're not on this they're not all on the same level Gertz and Burnham work at a much lower level than Chickering Chickering but they're they're three photographers in Boston Chickering is top top rung he photographs the baseball

players he photographs all the society people he's very talented he's very successful he a lot of actresses so he's moving with an entirely different sort of group of people sure very well off he's very well known he had by 1887 photographed a lot of famous actresses society women politicians just standard photos you know your head or whatever you have all that a bat on the field a chickering also an oil painter he's really good with composition when it comes to his photos he's an artist in the in late 1896 that's not right that date in late 1886 a small group of young women who lived on Commonwealth

Avenue so that's the richest Avenue so these are the daughters of the most distinguished families in Boston mm-hmm they enjoy fine art mm-hmm they decide they want to have themselves photographed I don't like where this is headed and they wanted to emulate the the great works of art oh god in which women are often nude or bear well why don't we just get rid of all the kids then ladies nope you're having fun we're just gonna burn all the children in a fire now hope that's fine with you I think that it probably is now this is right up Chickerings alley that's a place we can yeah we can assume as an

artist he just jumped right into this and saw it the same as the women which was art they felt like they were making art so he takes full length photos of the girls alone to look like paintings like Venus rising from the sea or sculptures like the Greek slave like they're literally recreating these things in these photos and then they also did group shots of a bunch of the girls for paintings like Diana and her nymphs bathing so classic photos and they're all doing it he had access to a lot of sets obviously yeah the yeah yeah good point well I mean he's like doing aquatic shots well he would go they would go out

into nature and do that oh okay okay yeah the it all seemed to be great going great and and it's so much so that it's sort of led to a fad amongst the young women of Boston in the fall and winter of 1886 and it's estimated that up to 50 young women of Boston's elite back bay neighborhood were posing nude in photos for chickering artistic photos you're defending this artistic part I think part of him was like this is great the fad led to more women who were from not such well-off backgrounds to wanting to do the same so it starts with this small small yeah group of girls women it goes by it totally goes viral it's a it's a

hundred percent viral and now everybody wants to do it and they're doing it in all the neighborhoods so this leads to Edwin Gertz who has a studio in South Boston he's now doing photos with young women for with less money they don't have as much money to do this stuff so they're you know they probably don't look as nice but whatever it's the same sort of feel well I don't have the budget to take you to the ocean I do have a bathtub that I could put salt water in and you could kind of look like a mermaid that sound good and I can't don't have the about there's no way that I can actually physically attach a tail

to you but we could put a salmon on both your legs yeah actually my dad owns a fish store so I could get the salmon that's great we'll just cover your legs and fish and then it'll look like you're a merlady okay you know I I don't like the term mermaid because I've never found that they're cleaning up this scale yeah yeah okay so I put fish on my legs for the eczema in the morning so I can just leave them on that's called legs of my god that's great so yeah so these these young ladies doing this these are girls who worked in shops and factories and were servants sure and they're now all flocking to Gertz's studio and posing

and re-enacting their favorite paintings nymphs goddesses mermaids as you just said etc and then photographer Thomas Burnham starts doing the same I'm I really like that there's I'm hoping he's at well I don't have the bathtub what I do have is a kiddie pool and I got a goldfish in a bowl so I think we could put that between your legs and hope for the best is that good and then the next guy so I got a bucket I don't have a studio is we're under the stairs so what I got is some fish guts and a cup of water and this the thing I do with my hand right here that's a that's a picture flashing that's a photo thing

what do you call the photo thing the thing that makes the photo I think it's the flash yeah yeah so bam bam I just made two photos of you bam bam feels like the light is dark but okay you're they say you're the way let's get your pants off you're a mermaid I just wanted no no I'm taking some some I'm a mermaid what I'm sir okay okay okay I like I think I know why you're so cheap I'm a mom I'm a merman you're a nymph we're in a bucket certainly not comfortable sharing a bucket with you that's we're in a bucket no we're not no we're not nope um yeah I don't know I guess I could probably get some more

money to go a step up I think maybe I want to Gertz cuz you are clearly that guy is way better I don't know no yeah he doesn't use real water back at what does he use what do you what's your accusation milk okay so not really comfortable human milk oh good Lord goodbye Frankie come on kid I hope you like pink chicken so it's not just Boston now okay Boston would become the most famous for it but the new photography is spreading across America author William fails quote the latest fad or rather craze is photographing in the nude women favored with wealth beauty and seeming respectability repair to a trustworthy photographer or

induce an amateur with instantaneous camera to picture their limbs chest back torso or entire form and then keep the telltale views of their folly for their own pleasure or give them to confidence of their sex or intimates of the other right so there's just like texting nudes yeah it's texting news it's that literally and not even that it's almost more I mean sure for sure people are giving him to there but a lot is just like young women being like this is fucking like check this out this is what I did and and the other ones like oh I want to do that or just seeing yourself what you look like nude yeah absolutely

they're there you know they're young they're fucking figuring out their sexuality I take a lot of pictures of myself naked and it's just like you just want to be able to get eyes on the whole enchilada yeah we're just gonna move on just kind of power through this by the way there's a patreon level where you get to see the nudes it's called red star just like the elite young women the women in south Boston don't see anything wrong with the pictures that are being taken they once said quote to the pure all things are pure and it is only the depraved imagination of the police authorities that discovers

anything wrong with their doings yeah right yes yes yes and it's just like it's just like all the guys yelling you're a groomer you all want to molest someone you're all have weird sex things in your head because everybody else looks at them as kids or the ones doing it or you've been manipulated by a groomer yeah you've been you've been told your plight is pious and holy and in reality you've just got some fucking weirdo who's just like I got mannequin parts under my bed here's the thing about both these these the south Boston area anymore I mean I'm really the the factory workers and everybody else and

and the women from back bay and Commonwealth Avenue they all want these for private use they're not for public distribution right all right the back bay women obviously were doing the same thing and thought the photographs were actually a display of a high level of culture they had attained for quote quote a cultured mind close the nude human form with refined Raymond which banishes all thoughts of immodesty so they're like we are we've like achieved a level of artistic and and the living and you know they're living in this other sort of right where these people like nipple no basically and they're

also smart to realize their parents and families would probably not agree right so they apparently from what I could reading this stuff it sounds like they did not tell chickering their real names and had the pictures sent to their homes under their servants names sometimes the pictures would be returned to chickering marked addressy unknown and then they would have to go down awkwardly to a studio and get the pictures themselves being like yeah that's not a real name oh I mean I get it but I would also be like you know I mean I different time but I think you could just be like yeah I'll just pick

them up yeah I don't think that was the thing well even though I don't have the stamp budget so I just kind of frisbee them towards what you said you live why you don't do that with your neck when you don't stretch your neck I'm on a hot streak there's no such thing photographers are not on hot streaks I'm booming baby okay don't say any of this I just gotta say I just got second goldfish money so even though the South Boston women took the photos for their own enjoyment or for their friends they picked the wrong photographer Gertz was not chickering he made copies to sell worse Thomas Burnham had taken 50 of

the photos and made a book which he started selling Christ again underground selling when I say selling it's not like it's in a but he's taking it to saloons and underground where exactly and even though the elite back bay ladies wanted them to be secret the pictures did start to circulate outside their private circles now this is inevitable because you have a group of girls and one girl is maybe not like Sally she doesn't like Sally that much and she gets a picture Sally who's nude and she shows it to Bobby but you know that's just how these things work it's just right human nature at a time when the watch and war society

is on the hunt for naughty things this is a pretty bad situation so Gertz and Burnham crank out postcard sized photos in their studios and they're sold on the streets and in bar back rooms and all that stuff chickering had his photos leaked and they were also now big business he's the top photographer in Boston his nudes according to the New York Herald quote prized highly by the dudes and sold recently for prices ranging from 25 cents to five dollars a piece the average worker made eight dollars for a 60-hour work week so it's a dude blowing right 67% of his salary on a photo some loom money yeah well I

wish I had said that you understand why we'll cut that out in post I'm the guy oh would you cut that out in post the pictures were described as quote of the worst character possible in the spring of 1887 one of chickerings models threatened to take or this is what it was said one of his chickerings models threatened to take her photograph to the police unless he paid her $500 and he balked and refused to give in to the blackmail and on June 6 chickering was arrested for making and having in his possession obscene pictures Gertz and Burnham were then also arrested 25 photographs and 270 negatives were

seized from the three photographer studios it's national news people were very mused that this was happening in Boston where the term banned in Boston was big and the watch and the ward society was on a rampage yeah so it's not a great look no good work how's that yeah how's your town you got a calendar coming out you guys got everything under control with the vice and all that you got it locked down pretty good because I can see your daughter's nipples just so you're aware she society guy head of the society guy I know the size of your daughter's nipples go ahead you have the floor I bet I can guess the size of your

daughter's nipples it's not the same thing could be a fun game of the photos making their way from chickering to the girls the Arkansas Gazette wrote quote a letter accidentally fell into the hands of an unsuspicious parent who opened the letter but failed to recognize his daughter's graceful figure oh god Jesus the old gentleman said nothing but laid it away from his desk in his desk for his own personal edification and his daughter ended up securing it awkward I mean that so that that's probably like there's probably the updated version of that now but it maybe not that's very

well it's all stepped at it's all stepped at porn now anyway I don't know what the fetish I don't know what's going on anymore but it's like we can we don't have to have the same man can't wait to see my cousin well I don't know but this story seems to me maybe being sensationalized like I don't know why the Arkansas Gazette would know that but you know we gotta lay down something that happened in the big city oh a fellow pleasure himself to his own that's right that where did you find this out I was talking to a fellow in the forest the other day we figured it all out we pieced it all together that's right

pleasure himself to his own daughter unbelievable that's the sort of stuff that's happening there that's why you got to hang out in places like this okay can you put your pants on I can but I won't now since chickering would not he was he didn't plead guilty so there's a possibility of a trial okay so he said he wasn't gonna play those jurors are just like I'd be perfect I would be a fantastic juror I would even as an alternate not right now we're they're talking to me right now I can also do it I'm very good to do it I would like to throw my hat in the ring I think I'd be an unbelievable juror alright everyone

relax we'd all how big could the jury be we were thinking just for one time maybe the jury's 55 is that crazy we could just sit on some stools we can each and sit on each other's laps well for part of the story we probably wouldn't be able to sit on each other's lap not that it's about that we're not here to sexualize it anyway I've been looking at photos for 35 years you Buford Buford you're a no-brainer obviously how about this we pick straws to figure out who's on the jury and who's not on the jury I think that's a fine idea all right great so it's settled and about this I don't even we just some of us who aren't on the

jury we just want to have a look see poopsie at the evidence that's all we're asking for just at the end of the day let us go through it you have a jury and then you have a bunch of guys who just look at the evidence to make sure it's okay salute to make sure that it's tip top good evidence that's all we're doing like 300 guys again I am just what I just love my city and I just love I'd love to give back it's my civic duty okay I got an idea maybe at the end of the day you give me all the evidence and I go down to Carpley I got a topped hole and I go down there we all go there we reconvene maybe we hold the trial in

there if I don't know what your lunch budget is if you get a per diem but I got so much raw chicken that it's legally crazy Bailiff could you throw Frankie out? Oh come on! I never even left the hole! so the trial means that the photos that could be as evidence and according to the Gazette their families moved very quickly quote they have succeeded in having them suppressed and whatever the developments in the case may be their names will probably never be known you mean move quick like they physically moved cities no no judge ruled behind closed doors that they would not use the

photos of the crime and instead use a photo of a girl of lesser status wow now is that does that that doesn't necessarily affect the trial I mean it's fucking crazy that we'll just go with some of the more middle-class women if that's okay like but that in like in the in the legal realm is still like the there's still evidence but you're just like yes those who can't afford to get their girls pictures taken out of the evidence it's just one oh it's just the one they're only gonna use one photo of some poor of some poor woman wow not the one where I'm holding a cup of water covered in fish guts quote as a

compromise nude a nude photograph of some unknown woman has been offered in evidence as a sample of others which have disappeared so another report says that they have disappeared but what everything I could ascertain was the judge made the call these are not going yeah I did I ascertained the picture that would be used did not have a photographer's name on it and the Boston Globe reported that there was even disagreement over whether it was an actual photograph of a live model or of an oil painting it's amazing to not be able to discern between those two at this time so boned up ready to go it's

fine I don't care painting picture whatever give it to me give it to me the Arkansas Gazette also reported that because this was about rich families the Boston papers didn't cover the story which was not completely true the Globe reported at the hearing that chickering quote sat by his counsel side with a pleasant smile on his face and and when asked if he proposed to offer evidence in defense replied in the negative so he's saying at the hearing I will offer absolutely no evidence of my defense he said due to the circumstances his lawyer told him not to show his hand literally I can't should I put it no

I'm talking about it's like a it's a phrase I don't want you to show it's a polar bear gloves okay let's just go with that you wear gloves and then we won't show any evidence serving gloves I used to cater okay yeah you can wear gloves I'm just saying we're not gonna show them any photos that you wear some two that's both wear some gloves okay I will wear gloves also we're not gonna show any photographs of any of the stuff of any of this well we were not we're gonna have trouble I mean you know we'll our hands will be gloved so although I guess we won't smudge any of the pictures which is the upside of this glove

plan sure I say how about this let's use not wear one shoe show them some feet let's just let's just do the tuition thing and system on trial today okay that's not what that means it's not a that's really one thing it's nothing to do with the other yeah but okay you have cater gloves you have catering better if you don't say anything at the hearing I'm just gonna wear my catering outfit you know what I'm gonna dress up like a butcher okay no I wear an apron covered in sort of some bloody gutted stuff and I'll wear my catering gloves and why don't you just like a fireman all right this is great you're a really good

lawyer we're a good team I actually have to leave the case all right we're leaving the case we're gonna go get gloves no that's just me we're getting gloves I gotta go to the butcher shop there's not gonna know what hit him okay I'm not handling this well so he he also chickering also refuses to name any of the women okay he said quote I have no admissions and no denials and don't mean to if the grand jury bring an indictment I have a very good defense without telling anything about my patrons or the pictures this is the smartest thing he does okay because isn't this a signal to the families a signal to the families

that what of the girls of the the rich families in town that he's not gonna prefer the girls names he's like I'm not I'm not a snitch right just so you know what's going on here daddy chickerings not a snitch right I don't like that yeah it's what's the official name now daddy chick so prosecutors come up with a witness at the hearing because the judge is determining if there's a trial if people don't know what's going right if there's enough for trial a 30-year-old man who the globe said had quote a forehead which extended nearly to the crown of his head a mustache a mustache which was curled up in a manner that

only one of artistic propensities could arrange that's right so they're calling him a total douche Salvador Boston so how I read this article and I'm like oh the Boston Globe does not like the width right yeah that's the first thing it's got a big long like saying on the long forehead oh the witness's name I didn't catch it but I think it was a fucking weirdo fuckface face definitely ties women to train tracks so he the guy says he worked in chickerings printing department and had printed up many of these photos many he said they had been printed to sell and that he was upset by how improper they were but the judge

cleared upon this evidence the judge orders a trial for the next month the globe immediately reports it means it's in the same story they report that they had spoken to insiders in the in chickerings business and the witness was lying and chickering said the witness was the man who had been blackmailing him so the only guy this is just the hearing the only guy who says that chickering is doing really naughty things is the black man in in the article the Boston Globe has been called an ugly motherfucker and that he's a liar that he's a blackmailer and that yeah I guess that's it there's a lot though that's a

down but then in the same story is the hearing trial they're like but we're going to trial because of him so they hit it they hit piece immediately and of course chickering says I can make the case I don't I can defend myself without revealing the photos names of women all that stuff and then that's it no trial takes place Dave that is if you are like if you're chickering you're like should I call them should we reach out to them he had a trial date set I mean I got a new outfit the few Boston newspapers that covered the hearing didn't cover anything else about the story so very few

Boston newspapers already covered the hearing and the ones that did like the globe then never mentioned it again well how do you never mention it again they didn't I never his name doesn't come up again the his chickering is after that date the only chickering that comes up is a piano player and I'm chickering that's it so you're suggesting that he started a new life as a piano player that's right so you would think that the paper at some point would be like hey remember that trial no nothing other papers never happened other papers around the country we're running headlines like as Greek goddesses beautiful Boston girls

photographed as nature made them too too high art stuff like that these have been printed all over the country the rest of the country is mocking Boston national mocking for what has happened and then and then that's it and then they stop well after a while that story just runs out and there's no trial no damage not the least bit of damage happens to Elmore checkerings career he keeps taking photographs of top society Boston people and I want to go back to the thing when he said I will not name any of the women and I will not show any photographs this is that's it he got he got rewarded by still being allowed to be

yeah you know photographer at all these people the papers aren't gonna screw over their wealthy right benefactors and all these people who run industry right that's it the only thing that comes up Thomas Burnham has not been sentenced yet so he's due to be sentenced in November two weeks before he's due to be sentenced his entire house burns down Burnham thank you and then he got a one-year sentence in jail the witch and war at society released their annual report about this year about what had happened the work that they had done uh-huh I'm let me guess it oddly it talks about the conviction of Gertz and

Burnham and the 25 photographs and 278 negative seized but never mentions Elmer chickering maybe because the case is a little too close to the society members right so the anti-vice people and the rich people the moral is be rich just be rich and you can control everything right yeah I guess so look the society goes on for a while they eventually go heavily into going after sex workers and gambling they got more and more powerful in the early 1900s the Boston Public Library kept books the society said were objectionable in a locked room publishers and booksellers books publishers and booksellers were not

released books as society had so much pull with prosecutor and judges plays were performed in what we're known as the Boston version with the good parts taken out wow so we're bringing hair to town in 1948 the new director of this society changed the focus to gambling the rehabilitation of criminals and studying social issues that led to crime in 1857 the name was changed again to the New England Citizens Crime Commission and then in 1975 it was merged with the Massachusetts Correctional Association and then became the community resource for justice which now promotes prison reform

and rights for ex-cons and that was it and then it ended to and then it was all over that was it it just happened to rich people and they literally just made it disappear this is like our sopranos finale episode well I was reading this and I was like what a cool story I'll jump into this and then I went ways I wait when that when you hit that did it go don't stop believing I because I read a book about it and I was like a lot of books will go like and then this happened and then and then it kind of peers out in like it's like a small chapter in a book okay I'll go find out what happened right and I could not believe what I was

seeing when I went to the newspapers and everywhere else and I finally tracked down another story that was like yeah no it just it just it just vanished wow it just fucking a national story blackout and they just it just if you don't do the trial yeah you would just think that like someone would be like shit and that's how I'll make my name I'll be the person who follows up on the trial that never happened but I mean I'm sure I'm sure if there were reporters around the country were just like remember the thing with the but what are you gonna write about it quiet you they get like thriller eyes yeah just because it's

such a it's such a it's such a great story for different aspects which is the dumb puritanical just yeah nightmare people we have to live with every day and then these young women are like I'm into art and like trying to do art stuff and people are like well that makes me want to jerk off and then it just turns into this fucking gross weird thing where guys are like jerking off in bathrooms and saloons getting a picture right and then it just blows up and then it makes everything hypocritical about the the vice in Boston trying to crack and the whole thing is just like all this intertwined stuff and then yeah

it's over immediately over so sources for this episode Boston Globe New York Carol the Arkansas Gazette banned in Boston the watch and ward societies crusade against books burlesque and the social evil by Neil Miller and Wicked Victorian Boston by Robert Wilhelm to what you were saying also it's like you can't stomp this shit out that's just not how it fucking works that's the amazing thing is they they've won it's amazing and they never can do it but they always just want to stomp it out that's what this whole thing is about they want to stomp it out and then they think it'll go away and their kids are going off and

doing it can't stop it what are you not how it fucking works yeah no matter how many how many people you try to kill or harm or whatever it doesn't go away it doesn't stop in many ways doing it anyways you are making more people know about it and think about it all right let's start let's record okay all right why is your shirt still on I thought we were taking our shirts off never said that my shirt's been off for most of this ever never never we're gonna never we're gonna do that that was never a thing next episode we do it no but we don't do it I'm going as Jeffrey Tubin for Halloween we don't want to do it it's

called Halloweener oh god we've got it we got her out this is the doll this has been the dollop action