The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 563 - The King of Ghouls - live

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine The King of Ghouls - Rufus Cantrell. Recorded live in Indianapolis. And the photo that Gareth talks about so much is here. Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch Rex MD Helix Sleep    

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was like oh yes we have no idea about his childhood but we do know Rufus and his mother Sarah moved from Gallatin Tennessee to Indianapolis in 1892 that's what it looked like back then hmm what if it's still stunk like burning tires yeah what the fuck is that's what's happening out there that's pharmaceuticals that's just because they're burning dogs you said right miss the whole like I can I quote you properly they burned dogs in tires the whole from the Indy 500 is that what it is they're putting it in pills raising the insulin price all because of the pharaoh who stick with me Brendan Frazier'd to kill your daddy

oh we don't even need to do a show so they had a butt plug downtown that's why she stinks gorgeous they're like put the lighthouse down lighthouse right downtown perfect so sometime during his first 16 years Rufus's father died in an insane asylum okay it was also said Sarah's sister had to be put into an asylum when she went quote crazy mm-hmm and Sarah said Rufus had fits and spasms due to epilepsy okay really brought the energy down by the way so when he was 12 Rufus got thrown off a horse I'm just trying to pick it up a little bit yeah get to the fun all right horse throwing yeah hurt yeah well he landed

on his head good story quote when he was a boy he tried to preach and said he had talked with God well I mean you need to follow for horse to believe that it would be so great if the Christians came after us oh my god once they start listening they'll be like good lord what the hell really crazy they will go to hell so to continue the quote sometimes he would have mad spells and become very violent and profane okay like you Rufus tried to become a teenage evangelist but it didn't pan out maybe because of the cursing right right yeah so it did the is that's due to the horse fall a lot of this are they tracing it to that or

that's just kind of like I think yeah they think it probably was due to the horse fall right okay yeah so he hit a rough patch and he tried to commit suicide in 1896 when he was 20 years old quote out of love sickness hmm okay so I don't know what you're looking at me for I got nothing so he then decided to get into show business what what else would you do Jesus I'm gonna be a comedian well I'm fucked up enough yeah and in 1899 the Indianapolis recorder wrote that Rufus could recite long passages of the Bible on stage I like that that was show business back then I'm not saying it's in a good spot now

it's really not like everything like everything's becoming like cupcake shows or like home renovation shows but they were like I'm gonna get into show business what can you do I know the Bible really well whoa this is awesome what a look at him go oh man we watched the guy just recite the Bible for an hour oh man this guy's Leviticus is unreal although he was kind of just doing a podcast yeah fair he also gave speeches on the history of playing cards well fuck I mean you thought look the Bible stuff's a little boring but here about the history of playing cards man wow and that's why it's the two the

three is again that's chronology based yep why are there four different twos why are there four different twos all right we're gonna hold questions off till the end thought it'd be okay to take one but that's really let me get through the order first what's yeah what's with the Joker please this is all super planned out and plotted out okay so the three is after the two for threes stop so the three is after the two well okay fifth because there's four to so it's after four twos okay if this would be a better show if I wasn't the only person in the audience I don't agree it would be much better if you were not here like a

Joker in the beginning and he also gave speeches on quote Kane's wife whoa okay I don't know what the yeah I mean he's like look you but not enough people are focusing on Kane's wife okay he also got a story of brothers it's a story of fucking it's the name of my talk is taboo for Kane's wife Kane's wife he also dressed up as Abraham Lincoln and delivered his speeches that I like that I like a lot that would be great Lincoln impersonators were pretty common at the time sure yeah there's a ton of them but Rufus is black and I could not find a black I could not find a picture of a black Lincoln impersonator wait Rufus

Rufus is a black guy and he's a Lincoln impersonator yes but I interesting but I cannot find you can't it's not a thing out there on the internet no black eyes like I would go see a movie called black Lincoln with a question a hundred fucking percent oh man okay he performed at odd fellow he performed the show at Oddfellows Hall with a juvenile quartet who are all under the age of 12 well I miss her I miss her you're the baritone go man the next year Rufus joined the 12th the 24th US infantry and was stationed at Fort Douglas Utah he's moving fast yeah but he only made it a year and was discharged due to epilepsy

and suicidal inclinations okay here we are at a dry patch right back there he went back to I would much rather you got discharged for refusing to take off the Lincoln outfit what do you mean I don't take orders from you I'm in charge of the army you can believe I'm not Lincoln if you want then get out of here but for those of you who believe in your hearts that I am Abraham Lincoln let's do this Quentin Tarantino's black Lincoln have you ever seen oh boy come into a theater near you Lincoln Lincoln have you ever seen Tarantino's press tour for Django unchained it is mortifying well I read the script and a very hard time

reading all the time where it wasn't dialogue where he was using in the description the n-word Jesus Christ it is yeah pretty cool yeah any who's will be he's great so he goes back to Indianapolis and he gets a job at the malleable iron works malleable iron okay after that he takes a job as an undertaker's assistant working for CMC Willis who was the only black undertaker in Indiana so he works under an undertaker he's an under under the undertaker okay beneath undertaker easy it's got a little prepositioning now in October 1900 Rufus got into a bar fight in Bucktown oh I know what to do

Finn you know how to win a bar fight so Bucktown's a black black neighborhood and the reason he got into a brawl was because Rufus was supporting William Jennings Bryant for president and he was very very vocal about it and according to the Indianapolis news Rufus upset a saloon customer William McElroy who quote a short time ago he exhibited his prowess by tossing a larger Negro into the canal fucking hey wait so he's a huge fan of that guy Rufus is yeah and then someone else there is not into him correct and previously tossed a huge black man into a body and into a canal okay and now he's fighting with him now

he's upset with Rufus for preaching about this guy all right so Rufus was out in the street shouting about Bryant in front of the saloon and McElroy was annoyed because he was going in to quote buy a can of beer on credit the dots aren't connecting fully it sounds like this guy has no real okay so he was like well I've took him talk about him right now while I'm going to get a beer on credit which is also a great move by the way I think it on credit please a fight started in the street and their paper reported several people were involved quote McElroy failed to throw anyone in the canal and was beaten until he was

glad to stop is that his move he's a canal tosser must be a canal like don't let him get you near the canal that's his ropes come on you son of a bitch get over here no no no we know what you do I swear I want just let me show you it there's some fish in it come here son of a bitch I'm gonna throw this Abraham Lincoln son of a bitch that's a great move to have my thing I finish if I throw him in the canal don't tell us many people in the canal you're about to be wet Jenkins cops arrived and broke up the fight then McElroy and Rufus were arrested and fined $5 now there is a university just

east of Bucktown called the Central College of Physicians and Surgeons gorgeous you know what even if it wasn't that one I probably wouldn't be able to bust you and it's not the only one not the only medical school in the area there's also the Protestant Deaconess Hospital oh nice were they south of Central College sure and the Indiana Medical College sure on the corner of Market and Senate you guys know they were all very close to the state legislature you could have tossed a stone in any of these from any of these buildings and hit the legislature so it's like a big closed together area with

all these different sure you could throw rocks medical hospitals sure Central College's dissection room oh god I feel like I'm hearing the breadcrumb terms what do you I just heard dissection and you know little I'm a little goose bumpy no it's no I got some duck pimples what no oh shit the dissection room was directly across from the State House which was bold because body snatching and dissection was very illegal sometime after 1900 Rufus got into business of into the business of body snatching with the doctors at Central College I'm hoping that he's still I wish he was still in

the Lincoln outfit I just everything would be yeah a little more comedically fruitful if it was like that Lincoln okay so he's body snatching hey as we covered it episode 53 the resurrectionist body snatching had been going on for a while there been a riot New York City in 1788 over bodies being taken from an African-American graveyard people made all sorts of traps and attempted to secure coffins some let the bodies decompose before burials so they wouldn't be useful they went too long like there's even like cannons yeah they're like coffee can which actually I will have yeah I've decided yeah it's one of the

main features and then cremation got really popular after 1900 for because people you know worry about body snatching right so that'll teach them you can't grab me I'm ash watch me no matter what the laws were doctors needed bodies to sec the snatchers were called vulture doctors and ghouls and colleges relied on these ghouls to get bodies to teach right and locals are really very familiar with body snatching in in Indianapolis in 1876 John Harrison died he was the son of a president and his son would become future president so he's he's the only guy who was in between right right so at

the funeral of his father the Harrison's noticed the grave of a friend who had recently been buried was disturbed August and Devon so they had it dug up and the body was gone okay I like how they're like it was disturbed let's disturb it to make sure it's been disturbed well it's time to double disturb this one we're worried something's happened to the body what's the plan we're gonna get the body out we're getting in there make sure so John Harrison Jr. got a search warrant for the Ohio Medical College and as he searched he finds the naked body of his just buried father hanging from a rope

in an air shaft oh for fuck's sake where the staff had tried to quickly hide it oh what the fuck they why did they do it like that pretend it's laundry hurry that's worse leave it like on a no then cuz you be like no that's a ghost it's floating oh my god look I'm worried my father might be here I just know would love to have a look around he's not I know I'm not here oh my god why is he out of clothes line that's a ghost boy and he makes that noise oh so he loses his mind well yeah he's not happy about it dad he's okay so this is a huge story particularly because they were from Indianapolis and Devon's bodies

later found pickled in a vat of brine at the University of Michigan sorry I said Devon's body is later found pickled in a vat of brine at the University of Michigan why did they go over each what is the point to man pickling what's the point of not man pickling why would you pickle him well we're just for snacks yeah the flavor is really just for football on Sundays yeah or else they go bad Devon egg hmm hmm I I put some spices in there too oh what what is the point why do they why so it doesn't rot so then they can still take it out and dissect it that's the only way pickle I mean that's what I would do oh it's got

that volacic crunch that's how you know Devon's good to go it's got that volacic crunch to it hmm so like I said in Indianapolis the Harrison who was hung in the air shaft we had once been a presentation minister so everyone the press is all over and everyone's like you know big deal yeah so soon after the Harrison situation Indiana passed its first anatomy law the body of anyone who quote shall die in any state city or county prison or jail or county asylum or infirmary oh god or public hospital enough within this state shall remain unclaimed for 24 hours

after death may be used as a subject for anatomical dissection and scientific experiment anyway with for 24 hours and it's a go yeah so you're just like come on I really want to get this one let's go ding dong ding oh shit don't it's body time yeah or just when you ruin it like my husband damn it we were really gonna cut the fuck out of that guy god damn it oh he's gonna pickle him little bit of garlic little bit of deal mmm that's that is wild yeah yeah okay yeah I mean you know they were trying to find a loophole but really they're trying to find they're just trying to stop they're trying to find they're trying to say

like those are the people that no one cares about yeah right the people who are insane it sounds the people who are right they're like for criminals and they're like yeah who gives a shit it's a way to like keep them from snatching the bodies of respectable people right well and you know in this country they'd never put someone in jail for a reason like that or anything like labor or to just know that wouldn't have dissect yeah oh fuck oh great what's happening here buddy hey buddy are those medical pajamas buddy why are they all in hey Dave what's up why are they all dressed like magicians hey buddy hey Dave yeah

what's up I'm just starting to notice the jerky man now why they put his face towards camera hey Dave yeah go ahead I got some more questions that just came up with already why are these men all wearing top hats and some of my mother's nightgowns while that man is looking to camera like a jerky muppet well this is the first picture of divo hey Dave yep are you gonna ask about that guy's Hitler mustache haven't even gotten there yet bud haven't even been able to get there just yet okie-dokie we've got a real seed stealer on the table is that Jack links hey Dave yeah go ahead hey Dave his legs yeah they're

flat hey they're called they're called flags why is the one guy just wearing a hefty bag well he gets squirted on he's near the juicy part why is he smiling that we don't know and we don't know why the guy second from the right is acting like he's gonna cut into a turkey for dinner I think this is the craziest picture I've ever seen what I have to live a life after this show you know man like we all got to go do stuff again you know I mean yeah you know for me Dave it's really it's really this area where I start to get worried yeah why is that well just again cuz why'd they make wherever they like say cheese and he's

like what does everyone want for drinks after what the fuck the guy on the very end seems mad that he had to stand sideways he's like well fuck this I'm just gonna put my fork here why are they what is with the outfits why are they couch I don't know why they are in the outfits they look like they're Etsy men I think that they they thought it was cool well let me talk to them well they hell had they they were all learning to be doctors and I think I would I would guess that they thought like oh well we're getting outfits for dissection let's like make them a little let's be the riddler yeah let's have them be a

little fancy and we'll be Batman villains and the top hats the top hats I have no fucking idea what's happening oh boy now this is crazy not okay unacceptable this is frankly problematic nowhere near all right unforgettable nightmare fuel evidence this is they they were also trying to show people that dissection was helpful pardon who was in charge of the campaign so what these guys decide to do it turn the head they then turn the head this is in Louisville and they decided to do an outdoor dissection to like show that it was good like a barbecue well I don't

think they cooked them first I think that he was just dried in the sun stop talking the part of him hanging off the table and is Dave I mean is it a foot what is it what's the part hanging wouldn't it make more sense from a PR standpoint to get a fresher body well yes okay but they didn't want someone to be like that's Jeff I think they should have I mean Dave and this is the experimentation that led to the discovery of beef jerky the guy on the left is way too creepy happy yeah no the Bill Hader characters really an issue I cannot you can and you did I I'm hoping we've peaked picture-wise I think we have we have

okay I don't think it's better a better ever I don't think it's better yeah better that's a red flag fucking awesome when I found this I giggled for an hour I can only imagine you're like Finn do you want to watch ET so otherwise other than these other than these groups that they have now made legal to use the bodies of everyone else's off limits for taking a dissection but but there's still not enough bodies using those people from the prisons and the hospitals sure you got to cast a wider net so body so body statue continues okay it's a bit rare for bodies of white people to be taken looks rare often the ghouls

targeted black cemeteries but the doctors were all white the gray robber gray robbers were mostly black men but in Indiana white corpses were stolen more often for medical purpose than they were especially down south okay that's nice yeah yeah congratulate equality nice job inching closer to something good maybe I don't know it's hard it's hard Indiana ghouls had up rural and urban graveyards and grabbed what they could Rufus preferred to go to small cemeteries because they buried the corpses shallower than larger cemeteries right right let yeah that's where the worst gray robbing that occurred was in

towns close to Michigan Central Railroad as one could toss a body on a train as freight and send it to Ann Arbor's famous medical school mm-hmm so just so you were it was just easy to like it was like putting a drunk guy in an Uber basically yeah right there you go get out of here you go on boys who so the body snatchers try to be as efficient as possible they didn't dig up the entire casket but they would dig up one end and then smash it open and put a hook on the corpse and drag it out sure yep right deep-sea fishing remember the black Lincoln was the wild part of the seven minutes ago you

talk about blinking yeah blink it sorry then they would smash one end now you would probably want head versus feet yeah but I think but sometimes you were just kind of like it was a bit of a crap you probably with the gravestone yeah you would assume yeah one would hope and hoping mm-hmm hoping casket you're right you're right try it try and be it in this with there you go in a van with this then they then they just packed the dirt back and they if there are flowers they put flowers on there and hope I like the cover up I like that it wasn't noticed right right but sometimes they do it without digging they would take the

body before the funeral and replace it with blocks of ice so when they carried it they thought it was full shit boy he's really sweating in here cramp is really sweating I know other times they would pose as gravediggers and take the corpses moments after the funeral putting them in sacks then burying the coffin before carrying the body off so they would just put the body in sacks and then just bury an empty casket basically right an article in the Indianapolis Journal in October 1899 explained how the ghouls adjusted their operation they originally opened the grave took out the body and then took

the clothes off on the ground but the city lost its mind when a girl died and the snatchers took the body but accidentally left a white slipper in the snow Cinderella the girls family found the slipper the next day and then everyone was like you know it's a girl they went fucking that shit crazy they sorry so they would normally strip it yeah they would take it out and strip it on the ground next to it why would they do that that's a good question I don't know why yeah to me I'd be like look get it out of here then whatever then strip it but I wouldn't just be like there we go get him naked

boom yeah I don't know why so then after this they changed it up after because then I would want to be buried with like 80 layers of clothes yes so they'd be like goddamn this asshole look at this guy not seven vests he knew we were coming like how many pairs of mittens does a man need to wear he's not where it's not tobogganing for God's sake like nine pairs of shoes these are all ballet slippers suspender after suspender after suspender son of a bit oh my god night's armor so now when authorities open graves they found nothing but clothes in the graves because they were stripping evaporated

they were stripping the bodies in the coffin he was ice I told you he was sweating now some cemeteries were almost completely emptied indianapolis all the cemetery green lawn but green lawn was eventually closed because so many floods vandalism and so many bodies have been stolen that they just want we can't do this and we can't handle it anymore quote we're not planting anymore quote it has come to be generally understood by the city officials that while green lawn has all the outward signs of being a cemetery there are in reality few if any bodies there and that in the view of this fact

there should be no opposition to its being transformed into a park so they turned it into a baseball park oh sweet god so great what a great like who was it look we tried the graveyard thing let's just make it a ballpark he's so great it was like a poltergeist and all of a sudden oh god right yeah yeah evil angels in the outfield slide keeps tripping me at second sir shut up you'll figure it out slide into third and a hand comes up and sucks yeah now Rufus was hired by dr. joseph alexander sure a prominent white doctor at central college Rufus had also

formed at this point a grave robbing gang okay nice having a great gang allows them to do the job quick they would especially be a pit crew yeah right get them off close off close off okay let's look at that for a while nope off the crew they'd really be active before whenever before the ground got really hard and was harder to dig graves up Rufus Rufus and his gang dominated the stolen body market he had seven men in his little ghoul gang the Indianapolis Journal quote he only used hooks when a corpse was fastened in a coffin off their head they have to fasten you Jesus Christ I mean that's

them all right well good all right chain them up boys there we go this is normal this is a normal cat and mouse we've got going on here isn't it everything's fine hopefully when they hook his neck they won't be able to get him out so fast that lay all the layers of clothing and the attachments to his wrists and ankles ought to stop them anyway instead of digging down at the head of the grave as was the custom Rufus adopted the plan of digging in the center oh what the fuck dick first the covering of the box was then sawed through and the small lid on the coffin shoved back no lights were used by the ghouls

except on occasional match which is lighted down in the grave so they were I don't know what is the advantage to going are you going I think it might be I think it's because I think people were being fast and fastened and so you can get from the middle a little easier yeah get them out or you can like arcades kind of yes grabbed by the scent look I'm just trying to figure it out everybody this is kind of grab the center a little bit easier grab the dick center and then kind of yank from the middle yep awesome there are quite a few grave robbers who are in competition another ghoul in Indiana was Wade

Hampton West West had his face disfigured during the Civil War while fighting as a Confederate he moved for this wife and nine children to Hamilton County in 1880 you know Hamilton County is just north of Indian apolis like Rufus like it's sound like Rufus West also got into a bar fight but he killed the other guy and got off by claiming self-defense sure West became a farmer in Indiana and then opened a tavern he's doing very well looks like it but that didn't stop him from jumping into the grave robbing business so he was just like I need a side hustle yeah you know it not enough

scratch yeah what about getting into the body market I work with the guy named elucius stout who was also a farmer who was doing well but wanted extra cash but they were suspected of being grave robbers because they kept going to funerals as mourners what like you you'd be like did you know him yeah you sure yeah he had a good friend of mine I knew him real well I've been devastated by whatever his name is death I was really upset when I heard he passed away how much did he weigh at the time of passing how many layers of clothes I just wanted to say that he wanted he said are we gonna fasten him he said to me

before he died they go only bury me two feet down yeah I think we're all open for a shallow grave for him honestly that'd be the best move I would say get him out of there as soon as possible I mean the spirit obviously yeah anyway could you put these ropes around his legs and arms you know what we'll put him in the sack and get him there for you don't even worry about it with Santa Clause him out there for you don't even sweat it at all you can trust us if you can't trust a man with a giant weird black patch under his eye who can you trust don't worry I'm actually wearing some clothes I just took out of a grave

to be honest with you oh it's okay my eye just leaks black so they're going to every funeral that happens basically people like yeah what are you doing oh yeah we're just devastated by whatever his name is passing yeah so unbelievable what a loss excuse me I'm gonna go the next door but what a loss oh I can't believe it this is so sad that he also passed it was such a surprise he was so young he was 90 yeah but still young at heart all right put a pin in that dig a shallow grave that was one thing he said to us I've got to be the next door oh man what a loss this is the catering room oh

sorry what a dip it is unbelievable time is money so everyone starts to notice because they're going all these funerals the Indian I'm so torn up the Indiana Democrat quote even when they were unacquainted with either the dead or the surviving relatives they were present at the graveside when the corpse was lowered to its last resting place why weren't you at the ceremony we uh this is the part where we grieve the most so y'all should get the fuck out of here leave now yeah don't worry we got this suspicion on this account has rested on the men for some time but their wealth and position shielded them

from open accusation so people just had to be like oh shit they're gonna take dad yeah basically look god day he's like I mean he's like the reap like the post-reaper yeah all right get going damn it yeah then they're doing well so right rich people like Elon Musk wouldn't do anything bad what could we do right yeah right goals were sometimes cool killed by the relatives of the dead the Marion County Herald reported that on December 18th 1894 in Louisville the fiancee of the recently deceased miss Morris was watching her grave and shot at two men who came and started digging killing one smiley Jordan oh so

if your buddy gets killed when you're grave robbing my guess is you're like what a win-to-win and you just start dragging them way less labor you're like thank you lady do to do to do chitching yeah well the other guy escaped he got away he didn't actually take the body no no but for comedy he did I know I know sometimes ghouls fought each other in September 1901 West and stout approached a grave in Bieber cemetery and surprised Rufus and his gang who are already digging up the corpse West and stout had come for so they so they're like oilman yeah yeah so they start arguing and then guns are

pulled and then a running gunfight breaks out what I mean the whole thing is to be like secretive yeah that's not as secretive as you want okay they they hid behind gravestones and shot at each other mm-hmm a member of Rufus's gang William Gray was shot and quote dropped into the open grave with a bullet through his neck the two men who were with Gray ran out of ammo and ran off abandoning him now West was shot in the forehead and grazed and he would ever forever have a scar which like who would notice yeah he and stout now took Gray to West Farm where Gray died his body was then sold to one of the medical

colleges in Indianapolis although another room was they dumped the body in swamp but I bet they sold it so but I would worry that they're like this is a pretty good business model yeah shoot and then yeah you don't even need to worry but we don't need shovels anymore in 1902 at least three people in Indianapolis got anonymous tips that graves of recently buried relatives were empty sure enough they looked and the relatives had the day that graves dug up and the bodies were gone yes I mean you would be like that it's probably not gonna be good to be honest with you looks like a smash and grab the

police were brought in and a search was done and the bodies were found in the basement of the Central College of Physicians and Surgeons newspapers printed the story people went into a panic in Indianapolis families were now guarding graves of loved ones what a crazy like what an awful situation to after all that be like all right well I'll do six to midnight and then do you want to come at midnight you can do midnight to six and I'm well yep this is how it's going I'm also just like I'm someone who's just like we're fucking dead like I agree yeah but it's also like you know I know

the fuck off yeah yeah yeah no I wouldn't mind have at it jerking me like that guy earlier let's party but shouldn't we be able to do whatever we want with that people like we're gonna burnies is wonderfully fun and I had that I would that would be how I would want to go out yeah without question yeah what a great thing to put in the will and also please weekend at Bernie's me for two weeks and Maui what keep in mind in the original weekend at Bernie's there is a necrophilia scene yeah the woman bangs Bernie and she's like that was awesome and they're like

yeah yeah she's like that was great god the fucking 80s yeah you just were like there was no rules I mean I okay and was okay for you cigarettes weren't but everything was a real moment in time revenge of the nerds ends with a ray revenge not good yes and the and in the movie they like break into a woman's sorority and put in cameras so they can watch them naked you're just like so this is just tear these are sex criminals yeah but Dave it was a different time we didn't know but even I remember that even at that time that movie came on I was like boy that was a fucked up ending huh it's like yeah I remember watching

weekend at Bernie's being like wait she fucked him I was like eight I was like that's not okay she's like that was fantastic they're all like what happened but now that you're older you know it was okay well no it's okay yeah don't shame necrophilia no I would never know absolutely not to each their own yeah don't kink shame we don't yeah that's what the yeah it's the smoosh and grab not great so people start demanding that the body snatching be investigated and cop cop start now staking out graveyards and the medical colleges hoping they'll find the ghouls doing the business the medical colleges what are

hoping no the medical cop the cops are staking out they're watching medical colleges like this system oh yeah yeah right upon bro when like people show up and they find a bunch of bodies in the basement they're like really gosh I just I get well we just I don't know where we thought they came from to be I mean what is their excuse I don't know they have nothing there's just a bunch of bodies like where did you think they came from the canal I I'm sure they said like no that that was a they were donated to science yeah right yeah upon broker in the city named a meal mantel at a customer who he loaned four shotguns to

for $28 nice mantel however thought this was suspicious so he reached out to his lawyer to get advice of what to do mantel said the customer's name was Rufus Cantrell and the lawyer Taylor Groniger started to put things together there are already rumors of what Rufus was up to and now I got this is a big investigation he's like think think he's a grave robber fork it'll come to me and now he's taking more shotguns than anyone needs mm-hmm so the lawyer thought these shotguns would be pretty good for scaring off the relatives who were now hanging out at night at graveyards that's a fucking awkward situation yeah so

he's heard rumors about you know his Rufus's night job he's getting guns that's a nice way of putting it yeah my night gig so Groniger tells two detectives in the Indianapolis Police Department and the next day Rufus and six of his gang are arrested by these guys and it didn't take long to get full very detailed confessions from every single one Rufus seemed very proud to explain all of his bodies stealing good times okay interesting angle I like that leaning in his confession was quote in excruciating detail they had done the deed at Crown Hill Cemetery whoops the German Catholic graveyard of Mount Jackson

Cemetery Trader's Point Cemetery the old Anderson graveyard as well as the cemetery at this place the central Indiana Hospital for the insane Rufus led cops to the graveyards and pointed out the graves they'd taken bodies from grave after grave does he know it's illegal I don't I just like look I want my name hung from the rafters okay now remember he loved attention yeah so they say away right he just loved being the center of attention right so the graves are all empty and at the hospital for the insane at this place they had emptied over a hundred graves he was it was happening so much Chicago

police even called and asked him about robbing graves there oh yeah a bunch of them too yep how are you can you put me in touch with Kansas City I got a bunch for them too so like we said Rufus loved the attention he's getting and he loves putting on a show he loves explaining everything he told a paper he was writing a book and had already finished 250 pages so some of the things he said are probably not true but he did give prosecutors the inside scoop on how many on how the ghouls were doing their business he said sometimes the body snatchers were forced to dump a wagon load of bodies they would usually metric

wagon load they would usually do it in Indianapolis alleyways he claimed each member of his gang made a $420 to in July and September which was the average wage someone made in a year why were they dumping bodies like if they if like they really get caught there was a chase problem get him out of here or the college they couldn't get in like whatever they just had a Rufus also snitched on Dr. Joseph Alexander as his main buyer most doctors would buy just buy the bodies but Rufus had Alexander identified which bodies he wanted and sometimes went with Rufus to scout and find potential scouting that's a good

one yes I've been looking at and a body like that for a while to hold that one is plump howl and he would go out with the gang to the graveyard so he's full yeah he's a ghoul so it didn't take long for the doctor to be arrested okay as Rufus spilled the beans authorities were opening up more and more empty graves they now start searching medical schools but they can't find any bodies then the detective got a tip that Dr. Alexander had paid for 20 pine boxes to be delivered to his college so it's set up a big sting they're very excited sting they're like they know well you know I watching it so they

know they know this has to be connected to the missing body right and so they do a raid and the college is just moving and they were just the boxes for packing instruments haha saxophones damn it that sounds like they got like they just did a switch a room it does totally yeah like at the end they were like quick put something in there percussion instruments hurry and they're like oh damn it got real bloody keyboard in here then on October 14th 1902 the Indianapolis Journal reported a man named Amos Smith had been walking to work at 6 a.m. when quote he found two bodies tied in sacks in a dry goods box at the side of Hibben

Holloway company's store okay so he's like well that's interesting that's a bag of bodies that tied together that happens mm-hmm maybe they're just being delivered in the morning the same young man and walking further south notice two more bodies at the rear door of the central do anything when he saw the first tour is like yeah whatever I don't then he kept going that's weird well there's another bag of bodies hmm what a strange morning is it Christmas it's Christmas morning no mommy I get to keep them the bodies were ID'd by the family members must have been very comfortable for them to good news we

found them they're tied together in sacks on the ground it's not good news so please just opening up the sack is this your daughter can you roll her over yeah I'm walking away too no cosine so some people thought the bodies had been placed there to put suspicion on Central Medical College like a body it's a little obvious I guess right oh yeah you just put the bodies in front like a grand jury investigated handed down 25 indictments accusations were made against 75 people who were in three body snatching gangs just in Indianapolis alone Rufus Dr. Alexander and four doctors from other schools were named as were

cemetery workers staff at medical schools all the gangs etc so roof of Rufus immediately turned snitch for the trial of Dr. Alexander Dr. Alexander's defense goes heart now you'll get to that after Rufus they tried to connect Rufus to the killing of a Chinese immigrant okay but it was obviously had not done it okay they called this accusations too outlandish to be true and brought up as epilepsy but there's already tons of evidence against him yeah but he's saying a lot of stuff like right but what are they mincing like isn't there just enough to just like I mean what are you going for you're just going to like

prove that he's guilty of doing this and there's like oh a lot I mean he was taking people on tours yeah I mean there's that yeah so they're like he didn't do that one and they're like okay what about the 500 others like well well fuck we're not going great honestly we got a like the wagon thing right that's probably not true because they would have been like there's another wagon load of bodies right you know it's probably so they were probably like what tell us about the wagon and then they're like well if the wagon isn't true then what about all this oh so then they're starting okay that's interesting so they

just trying to paint him as a liar right okay and then epilepsy at that time is just this big diagnosis for a ton of mental illnesses oh so everyone's epileptic yeah basically all these problems so a few doctors testify about his mental health and each says he's insane okay and root of it roof is his adamant that he's not insane but that's something an insane man would say fuck yeah right all I do is dig up dead people he's lying no I'm not I do it he's insane I like dead people he does not this man's Abraham Lincoln four score and seven bodies ago Lincoln when prosecutors when prosecutors cross

examined the doctors each one it turns out had connections to the central college where Dr. Alexander worked so he's the like the guy so every doctor that goes up and says he's insane is connected to the right he's the Escobar yes right besides Revis the other important witnesses against Dr. Alexander the other big one was another doctor but he came to court shitface great so the judge ruled all his testimony in Val what they can't like bring him back though we tried he fortunately caught him on the wrong day he was drunk whiskey gin ale bug it it's just yeah that's my stuff it's like why would they just come

back the next yeah be like where we tried he's drunk again damn it sky's very good at this so the jury cannot reach a decision and they end up and ends up there so but because they're like maybe he didn't do it they're also white okay sure yeah I mean because the one guy is drunk they can't take his testimony and then Rufus they're like you know he lies and he doesn't so they're like I can't trust him okay I mean his word is the only proof they have that Dr. Alexander was involved it just seems like there would be a lot more evidence but okay there's not okay any lapis journal February 16th 1903 quote doctor

see Alexander status in the community is unchanged oh my god people like thank god you're back what a great guy he is neither the convicted felon of the heinous crime of complicity with ghouls and neither is he wholly absolved from the accusations made against him by the state's attorney so that's it now he's like welcome back and everything oh finally so he's hanging out at a lot of funerals again isn't he licking his lips mwah mwah mwah Dr. Alexander yes sorry about that yeah I'm going to take the bodies again you're saying that out loud no I just was just six inch roast beef

for me please you're at a funeral yeah oh right well more like fun oh yes the comeback will be great more like grave can you stop talking out loud I didn't say anything I've been sitting here weeping I'm very devastated by everything that's gone on obviously you're loudly saying terrible things I this we all grieve differently and the way I grieve is by taking the bodies and dissecting them in the basement of the college okay that laugh that laugh you're upsetting the widow that laugh is really bad well hopefully the widow is okay and doesn't pass away from her grief because if she were to well party of two

yeah lovely ceremony wasn't it really just lovely to see so many people come together yeah yeah thanks for coming by yeah bye bye be you I as in how pay what hmm I don't know what my deal is anymore to be honest with it brash aren't I yeah smoke bomb no what oh hard to see the fencing with all this smoke oh my god is that the penguin so what Alexander's let go a crowd of angry farmers rioted at Fisher station half of the coffins near Fishers were reported to have been empty Rufus had testified that bodies they took from that cemetery they'd floated down the White River on boats what so the crowd just Viking funeraling

down the canal there we go boy a lot of people come out for the night swims don't they these people can hold their breath forever look at all these white swimmers they're aquatic so the big the rioting crowd builds a scaffold well that is that's the kind of riots I want to see scaffold riots oh shit they're making construction yell death to the grave robbers and bird effigies of Dr. Alexander the judge and Hampton West Wow okay they said if West returned to Fishers they would hang him as the fire started a railroad agent said it was getting too close and could burn down the station and so they took the effigy

effigies down and burn them in a pile in the road and they've been burning ever since that's the smell that is the smell so Rufus also knocked on Weston stout and he really laid it on he said stout had chloroformed a young woman murdered a cop and accused him of several other unsolved murders Jesus Christ it was a bit much yeah it is a bit much yeah okay prosecutors didn't buy it buddy we're trying to like figure it out he chloroforms people that's what he does he's jack the Ripper he started the opium war with China he killed himself and then dissected himself and then wait no I lost that one that one was too much I

guess so in the end he dissected me no yeah he killed me and then dissected me you're here yeah he's that good he put me back together so what's the problem yeah doesn't set no what it's a thriller stout got off on a procedural technicality during his trial the press nicknamed Rufus the king of the ghoul nice his defense T entered a plea of insanity but Rufus didn't want that as a defense the state used Rufus interviews with cops and his grand jury testimony against him so his own defense team entered insanity and he's like that's not what I want yeah and they're like

we're gonna fight you on that well tough shit too bad he's like well I would agree with you but you're crazy so so Rufus's mother took the stand and said he had epilepsy he'd gotten head injury when he was ten he started talking to God and everyone was like normal that's yeah that's all fine we all talked to God hangs out around a lot of these places she said he still had delusions quote he once assaulted a minister with his tongue when he refused to ordain him I did that Rufus let him go he's already dead Rufus she said that they were like all right this witness isn't great either to be

honest with you you know what a tongue assault is don't you that's what he did show him Rufus he's got a Gene Simmons one show him there you go it's like beating a man with a rug what could they get a hold of that man she said tongue beatings she said her song was violent had a temper and like to call himself the king of the Bryant campaign she said he had cards printed with the words a Rufus can truck Rufus Cantrell the Democratic hero wow so I did that with Vista print was the early 2000s so she she really laid it on traumatic brain injury can

cause mood swings agitation combatedness and cognitive symptoms Abraham Lincoln Abraham links a lot of that stuff so these are the kind of things epilepsy was used to describe at the time right but his mom could have just wanted to keep him out of jail so I'm just been saying but she could have come up with some better stuff than he'd tongue beat a guy tongue beat a priest which some of them actually are into yeah the Catholics really are the ones I'm thinking of during his trial cops realized mouth Jackson Cemetery Mount Jackson what the fuck it's going on now he wants to be buried in the mouth but like we can

to Bernie's they realized Mount Jackson Cemetery right next to Central State Hospital was basically empty and quote no longer really deserved to be called the cemetery also someone sent a letter accusing Rufus of stealing the body of ex-president Benjamin Harrison who had died in 1901 and was buried in Crown Hill which I mean if okay that would seem like I mean that's like trophy robbing yeah right it is like my man but that wasn't true but that the Crown Hill was a cemetery that was a massive gated cemetery that had been built to protect against body snatchers it had 24 armed security I like of that but there

was no other place like we don't do that it's like a night buffet and they had 24-hour security who are allowed to shoot trespassers on the spot but still Rufus had operated there though he did not still Harrison's body so anyway he is found guilty and everyone in Rufus's gang got between one in ten years I've seen different reports of what he got like there's different there's some say two to three years others say ten in the end all the white doctors walked off and all the black guys got jail for fuck's sake newspapers took every opportunity to point out the race of the accused sure and then Dr. Alexander

who had a home was like the guy and he was a hung jury but they did not try him again right because that one guy showed up drunk one day well the reason was part because Rufus had hoped his cooperation would lead to a lighter sentence right and when that didn't happen he refused to testify in a retrial of Alexander because he was pissed yeah right and they couldn't try me out the star witness and then they also had to let the other four doctors go right so Rufus got out in 1909 and there's still rumors he was writing a book about his days as a ghoul uh-huh instead he started working at the

American Steel and Wire Company in Anderson, Indiana the press reported he's itching to hit the stage again I mean I really but he really wants to do the acting thing in 1913 he got back into politics and started stumping for African-Americans to support Democratic mayoral candidate Joseph Bell he won the election soon after Rufus was charged with running an illegal liquor den a liquor den that's a great bar name he fled to Michigan to become an Evangelist okay that's where you go all right time for more tongue-lashings stop you guys it's more Pentecostal yeah it bit me the Indianapolis News wrote

that he quote conducted a revival under an assumed name in Flint but he was accused of quote frisking the pockets of a gospel group member in Detroit hmm so I guess stealing but also yeah I don't know why they put it like that yeah pick pocketing but they're like he's risking valuables he got two years oh shit in a market penitentiary after getting out he married Major Mae McConnell who was an officer in a religious mission called the charity army of America the charity army yeah hmm turns out it was not a chariot at all but a big fraud hmm okay Michigan police shut down the operation and Rufus was

arrested for larceny Jesus Christ Lincoln's got a real checkered past while in custody he snitched on an accomplice he had been arrested with Edward Gowdy Gowdy had been in Rufus's body snatcher gang back in Indianapolis and now they had fallen out so he snitches he said in 1900 rich woman Carrie Selvidge so Carrie had a nervous breakdown and was put in Indianapolis Union State Hospital but one night she escaped and Rufus said she came to the cemetery gate where she scared Rufus and his gang what run woman quote she stood there in her nightgown and felt slippers her disheveled hair streaming out in a

cold March wind looking like a banshee interesting so a banshee that's scary but that's your words not mine have you ever seen a banshee no well well well I'm not gonna say it look you're already freaked out because you're at a graveyard yeah well yeah but you're also like we were pretty used to this yeah you're like an apparition like quick take your clothes off we got this one you know what to do I wish more of them were floating above the graves way easier so Rufus said they abducted her and held her in a basement and then Gowdy killed her Jesus Christ and sold her body to the Indiana Medical College I

mean it's really like there's just these little pockets of comedy that are like and then I get it in and then you're like exactly so she was murdered and no I mean I I hate to say it my god they killed they killed a banshee what's your problem I mean you can't kill a fucking banshee I just miss I miss when the Riddler guys were over jerky ET well we all miss that we didn't know how good we had it back then it looked like Batman villains were having man Thanksgiving it looked like a wizard turned a bunch of couches into Abraham Lincoln morticians over a chocolate man with a candy man if I get that picture

on a t-shirt that's not okay right it's very okay is it okay we should probably put we should probably put those up okay we can do that we'll sell those oh we're no better than the grave robbers tea springs like you're flagging it why are you flagging the concept for these t-shirts it's on dead bubble oh this was Finn's face when you guys all cheered back to the grave back to the grave but they didn't do anything what do you mean so Indianapolis says well they have no evidence that she was murdered just that they're saying he's saying because she just walked out and vanished she had she had she had walked

out and vanished then she came back and there was like a nurse or woman who worked in the kitchen and saw her and was like where were you macaroni where were you want a sandwich what were you doing you shouldn't have left would you like some cereal or muffins well she says do you want a coffee to warm up and then she goes to make it and comes back and she's gone again so that was the last anybody ever saw her so they thought that she had walked out and fallen into a canal what the fuck were they think like canals were just portals that were just opening up in cities and that was I murdered her in a basement no no

no she like 90% of the people of this city fell into a canal and died we're not gonna believe any more of this murder bullshit Rufus we all know she fell into a canal the shallowest of rivers never to be seen again you know how canals work did we look for of course we didn't look for her it's almost four feet wide and too deep how would we find we don't have scuba invented yet my friend we can't be Jacques is stowing every canal everyone knows canals are 10% water 90% human Christ you sound epileptic Lord they dragged the canal when they didn't find her body then they emptied the

canal they still didn't find her body wow so they were like well she must have drowned in there wait I'm sorry they didn't find her so they like well I they didn't find her so they were like yep confirmed case closed sorry no you you drained the canal case closed we didn't find her in the canal so it's pretty obvious she passed away from drowning in the canal sorry you didn't find her that's right but we know that she was in there but there was a while ago so she probably became canal water like 90% of the citizens of this town do well the graves are empty everyone's coming out of them at night like night crawlers

looking for the canal going for their night swims I don't know why everyone's looking at me like I'm epileptic so so nothing came at Rufus and and Gaudi walked on the charges no one knows what happened Rufus after 1916 Wow in April 1920 a skeleton was found in the attic of the Old Union Hospital building no at the time it was being converted into a garage the attic the building thank God we haven't figured out how these things work just yet but we the cars up top seems to be right huh there we go so just drive through the house into the garage up the top like that taft parking structure the skeleton that what that was

found was described to be in bony in a double attic so it was in a double attic it was an attic above an attic well our addicts have addicts hey boss I'm just going over the the plans yeah absolutely just want to confirm that yeah you want an attic above the attic yeah well an addict's attic absolutely that seems overkill well if you find a skeleton it will be I'm addicted to double addicts I'm an addict's attic addict flowers flowers flowers in the addict addict mm-hmm so they brought Kerry's brothers oh shit to look at the body skeleton canal water probably during a storm to world into a canal

NATO and Kerry just sister up to the addicts attic which will be a garage soon it is 1920 because she had on slippers and well you see the skeleton its feet got cold and but look it's no skin you would too there's no blankets and the slippers have been given to her by her brother okay this is 20 years later yeah it's come on buddy he recognized me those of them I remember the slippers I gave her 20 years ago too right right there it initialed it says fuck you you're fucking nuts wouldn't the slippers like start to if they no slippers last forever I wouldn't there be other like there was a nothing else and

there was just like someone just was like put the slippers on get the fuck out of here it'll just be confusing I don't know we murdered someone let's get out of here so the only thing that survived were the bones and the slippers you know how decomposition works right clothes fade but slippers stay and he identified her he identified the slippers yes that's her head and her slippers it was exactly what Rufus had said she'd been wearing the night she disappeared just slippers and her bones so investigator decided that she crawled into the attic sat down and froze to death who the fuck is the invent the laziest

investigator oh yeah well well we think it was probably the canal but upon further evaluation she crawled into the addicts attic got cold and died her last act being putting on these slippers that will never fade hmm where's my money I want my money Dr. Alexander died in 1925 and is buried at Crown Hill Cemetery got it we can we go get the body he got to just go fucking get it he has no headstone it has no headstone he has no headstone then let's take all of them in 1903 the Indiana General Assembly passed the Anatomical Education Act establishing

the state anatomical board it oversaw the distribution of bodies to medical schools the state anatomical board still exists today overseeing the donated bodies which are the sole source of cadavers used in teaching how are you spelling soul anatomy yeah god damn it but that shit no so how how many bodies now are like I mean we are we still mainly cadaver based so I mean they're not stolen anymore I mean it could be but no they still I mean people still do you know so yeah they still like oh yeah now we cremated them they still happens and then they sell them but yeah they try to keep track of it and and you

donate body you donate your body to science then it goes yeah but sometimes you're like I don't even my body science and they're like oh you know we used it in these two guys were taking you around the beach all weekend and your ex fuck you so our bad you're like nah it's awesome yeah like in death rum Springer spring break sources hung by a corpse occupational hazards for the resurrectionist by Chris can you read a book called hung by a corpse like on a bus or something like that or people like sir get the fuck off of here now but in come fights gang battles and other hazards of the well-paid job of

grave robbing by will Higgins Lindsay Beckley King of ghouls Rufus Cantrell and grave robbing in Indianapolis Rufus Cantrell intruder of the dust by Indianapolis calm and Indianapolis Journal and Indianapolis news and then just dead people yeah I mean I guess like the the maybe the main takeaway is that the idea that that was a time when anyone was judging the mental well-being of anyone else is totally wild yeah because nobody knew not that we know too much now or at least like at this point we've tried to forget it but like then it was like nobody knew anything anything like epilepsy causing yeah yeah

all of that is just totally I mean I don't want to say bonkers but it is like it's just bullshit yeah it is and so they had no real idea of what was going on in any way and then they find like a fucking cinderella body in an addict and they're like that's obvious and then everything else is a canal based death yeah and then the white doctor who is like the godfather of all of it yeah gets off because another doctor just shows up drunk and they're like fuck oh god damn what a bummer what are you gonna do what are we gonna do and then meanwhile you have couch-printed Lincoln undertakers

smiling over a fucking turkey man jerky man turkey jerky man who they fucking faced him towards the camera say cheese out I do think the only way to end Dave would end Dave yeah holy shit you know how I want you to go out just one more one more hit one more rip sure of you know the one oh god it's you yeah not that one I'm so nervous it's like watching a movie bad and they all have fondue sticks not okay I could do a Ted talk you if you want to go you can go I'm gonna do another two hours of just this I just can't I cannot it happened it happened it ever was like should we do one more

or we think we got it feel good about it should we put his head towards the camera what do you think Ed go on do a couple with it she gets arm on the table now fuck it let it look like he's reaching for his glasses it'll be fun what are you looking at I should have said that like what are you it's just great it's just I just I guess I never realized we were just blinking shoelaces when you really break it down just who gives a fuck take it like you were saying it's really at the end of the day what are you holding on to you want to be remembered like this I can't I gotta go I can't I can't keep doing it the I don't like

the way the one guy's cutting with like the traditional English knife and fork thing like yeah that is how would you like a slice which like a breast or a thigh you'd see this at a fair in Wisconsin and not blink twice by the way yeah that was a side of corn and mashed potatoes thank you guys so much we appreciate it enjoy your nightmares of that thank you thank you