The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 568 - Typhoid Mary

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Mary Mallon, a cook with a terrible nickname Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch     Helix Sleep Factor

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to put one of those on, that'd be all right with me. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you should. I mean, you know, yeah, you'll see. Is that it? Yeah, so let's go back to one action, Dave. September 23rd, 1869. You're nailing the part already. Mary Mallon was born in Cookstown County, Tyrone, Ireland. Tyrone, Tyrone, Tyrone, Ireland, Gareth. Oh, dear. There you go. No, that wasn't an Irish accent. That's not good for anybody. There it is. Her parents were worried about this fucking episode. Oh, dear. Her parents were John and Catherine. I'm John. I'm bringing them to life. That's what Mike I get it. Not much is known about her childhood. She emigrates in 1883 to America alone. She's 15. Wow. So

obviously you don't leave unless things aren't great. Like, you know, there's not a lot of people enjoying life in Ireland under the British at that point. So I don't think I don't think anyone's here to finger point. So let's not do that. We're finger pointing at the let's not do that. Let's just say she she wanted she was excited to go check out a new spot. We don't know what genocidal British are ruling Ireland. Not allowing people to flourish. She was excited to check out A&W and see what's up with those root beer. Sucking all of the resources out. It's just very slanted. Taking it to their little pig island where they wallow in. Excuse me. You ever put meat under potatoes and baked it and called it a pie? You're welcome. I am not.

So she she lives with her uncle for a little while when she gets to America. And uncle, sorry. And and then she started she started getting work as a maid. So she worked as a maid for a little bit. Oh, and I'm going to fluff the pillars. There you go. Go ahead. So you know what a maid is. And then and then she started getting work as a cook for rich richer families like she moved up as a cook pretty quick. She's very good at it. Okay. Okay. Anthony Bourdain really, really wants wanted he tried to drive home the point that her story quote her story first and foremost is the story of a cook. She has very much Dave, I think a lot of us who a lot of us who weren't into this episode so far, and I'll put my hand up are now intrigued. I'm now I'm still not

into it. We'll see what happens listening. She was called a quote a great cook. And she rose quickly through the ranks. So being a cook in the home of New York's wealthy was the shit like that was the job. It puts her like on top of the hierarchy of domestic servants. Okay, they have to call her Miss Mallon. She works in the very rich areas of New York and Long Island quote her store. Oh, sorry. She was making a pretty good living about 2k a month when today's money. Hmm. Okay. Now New York, of course, as we know, packed with people. Yep. A very dirty, diseased filled city. Well, what was it like back then? I guess is what we're all kind of wondering. It was worse.

The New York City Health Department was created after the revolution to cure yellow fever outbreaks. So city leaders pressured the city leaders at the time pressured the press not to cover the yellow fever outbreaks too graphically because they were worried it would lead to panic. So they were like, don't get into the nitty gritty of the weeping, whatever's boils. I don't know what it is. I'm assuming it's boils. I have no idea. But let's just let's just assume that yellow fever you get covered in boils that that scream. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wow. I think we can assume that. So they think it's going to lead to a panic and then people are going to flee the city and then the economy would crash. So they really want to just keep the economy going. What a weird time.

Cholera also a huge problem as his father's feeder has gone off. Go ahead. Oh, did he. Did he was in another room because I didn't see him. Yeah, he's sitting. He sits in front of it. Like you like someone would in like a religious ceremony where they just kind of praying before it. Sure. It's like I do around pies. Yep. In 1800s, the pigs. That's why you're so high. Keep going. Sorry. Go. In 1800s, the pigs just ran free about the city. That is a better system. Well, they were there. I think at first they were there to eat the rotting garbage that was everywhere. And then also poor people could eat them and kill them for food. Wild cities. A lot of Americans are super embarrassed by the pig situation. Huh. In the description of the city,

Charles Dickens wrote, quote, we are going to cross here. He's writing like a description of what happened. We're going to cross here. Take care of the pigs. Two portly sows are trotting up behind the carriage and a select party of a half dozen gentlemen hogs have just now turned the corner. So it's just pigs. It's just pigs all over scurrying about doing their thing. I still like it better, even if it means that they're eating garbage and sometimes they're getting killed. It's a better life than now for pigs. Okay. Pigs now. Pigs now are like that. No, it's not a one. It's terrible. It's just it's unreal. Yeah, no, it's really horrific. When Europeans thought of American cities, they offered they often just pictured pigs

running around. I think they still do, to be fair. I believe they still actually. Well, you know, it's just a bunch of pigs running everywhere. America. Ted Steinberg, quote, no animal loomed larger in their image of U.S. urban areas. Sometimes they would have pig roundups and they would like drive all the pigs out or kill them. In 1866, the Board of Health tried to ban pigs below 86th Street, largely due to typhoid and cholera. So they're having typhoid and cholera. All right. Now, listen here, pigs, you're not going past 86. Do you understand? You can go around here. That's fine. Do what you want. But 86 is pigless. I assume I assume that above 86 was more

countryish at that time. I would think I would think I mean, I don't know. I could be totally wrong, but. And they didn't want the pigs going into the countryish area? No, no, they do. They don't want them below 86. Oh, below. Okay. Right. Okay. Right. Okay. Right. Right. But the city still is, it's still filthy. And that's the condition it's in when Mary arrives. Okay. But working for the wealthy, she's sort of separated from that. Like she doesn't have to go to a job in a saloon that's just full of pigs outside and stuff. She's in a nice area. Yeah. Again, I mean, I guess it's different, but I would be like, we have, if you told me that I could go to a bar with pigs in it. I know. Buddy, let's dance. I'm there with you. Yeah.

Let's party. Cows? Yeah. Come on. Bears. Well, I don't know about bears. I think you're starting to, there'd be problems amongst the beasts. So New York, wealthy, right? It's the same class discrimination as Britain. We just imported it. Right. So they had like the walled off separate areas. If you could imagine this. No. So diseases like typhoid are not a worry for the rich. Wow. They happen in the poor areas. Imagine that sort of thing happened in Five Points in Hell's Kitchen in places like that. And then because of this, the wealthy think that diseases are a moral failing of the poor, because it doesn't affect them. Right. So, but,

okay. So they're like, it's your attitude that goes to typhoid. It's your dirty, shitty little people. Like you're not good people. So this is what happens to you. Right. Your money's shaming. Mary signs up with a servant agency, so like a temp agency, called Mrs. Stricker's Servants Agency. And she's kind of sought after. Like people really want her now because she said she could cook. A good cook is like the best thing you want for your kitchen, like in your house. Like you can't, like that's the top thing you want for the rich people. And in 1906, you get a job working for the president of Lincoln Bank, Charles Henry Warren.

So cooks at this time, it's bare hands. No one's washing their hands. Nice. Kitchens are very small or hot. There's no ventilation. And then they work through whatever. Right. They just keep working. And your hands are filthy. Yeah, it's just like you're like, I mean, I remember when I worked in the kitchen that we kept getting sick because one of the one of the sous chefs would cut meat and then he wouldn't clean off the board and he'd throw salad on it and like to make the salad and then we'd eat it and we'd get sick and we'd be like Ernesto, you fucking did it again. So this is probably happening all the time. It's literally probably a time when you're just like, well, we always

are getting diarrhea. Like that's just, yeah. And they also back then they were like, you know, they were just like, it's important to keep the raw chicken on top of the cooked chicken. That way that chicken will learn how to get cooked. It's like shit like that. That's right. So, and cooks would work through, if they were sick, they would work through it. Anthony Bourdain, quote, cooks work sick. They always have most jobs, you don't work, you don't get paid, you wake up with a sniffle and a running nose, a sore throat, you're so drawn. You put in your hours, you wrap a towel around your neck and you do the best to get through. It's a point of pride. It's a shame. So, but Mary's not sick. She feels fine. And in the

summer of 1907, the Warrens... It's a strange, strange thing you're telling me. Right. In the summer of 1907, the Warrens reacted, rented a house in Oyster Bay, a super rich area. Teddy Roosevelt has a house there. So, it's like, bully. Yeah. Thank you. That describes the whole place. So, soon after they get there, one of the Warren's daughters becomes sick. Hmm. And then Mrs. Warren, and then two maids. Oh dear. And then a gardener. Oh boy. And then another daughter. So, 61 people. They are sick. And Charles Warren is absolutely terrified. So, the owner of the house they're renting it from is freaked out because if a disease

outbreak is happening, it brings down tourism to Oyster Bay. And worse, no one's renting his house. That's it. It's done. Because illness will live inside the floorboards as we've learned. It stays in what's called the bones. Yep. Of the house. Yep. I heard the house cough. That's one of my better impressions is the house. Very good. It's very good. So, he has some investigators come in and they test the water. They test other food. They test the clams. I said it. It just sounds weird. What are you going to do? Well, we just need to test the clams. What are you doing? We're going to test the clams. We're clamped it. Oh, we'll clamp test this. Don't touch all those. What are you doing to me?

We got to make sure your clams are good. Eat all the clams. They just ate them all. Your clams seem to be pretty good, ma'am. So, they pretty much test everything that can be associated with a typhoid outbreak. Right. None of it is the source. They don't find the source. Is the source not the people? Typhoid, yeah. I mean, they're giving each other, but what's the original source is what they're saying. Right. It couldn't just be where they were before. So, there's definitely, I guess I don't know enough about typhoid. It comes from, okay. So, it comes from, it's a contamination of food or water transmitted through really not well-washed hands or food that's not cooked in high temperatures.

So, any sort of dessert thing, it can live in water for weeks or it can live in dried sewage. Okay. So, people are getting sick off of a third-party thing. It's not just, they're not giving each other typhoid. This is when rivers and lakes are just filled with human shit. So, they don't find anything. So, they reach out to a typhoid expert, Dr. George Soper. And he's, what's amazing that he's like, nobody's using soap. I'm Dr. Soper. Stay away from that soap now. That'll be the cause of a lot of this void. So, he is a sanitary engineer. He is known as an epidemic fighter. Okay. And he hates typhoid.

That's right. Because his father died from it. So, it's personal. I will find typhoid and kill it. It took my father. It's, but his dad died and he was like, I will never rest until I get your murderer. Yeah. Anytime someone's like, so we're all kind of getting sick. We're not sure from what. And then he just gets dramatic and goes to the window and he's like, typhoid took my father. It walks the streets at night. It lives in the shadows. It hides in our pipes. Reeks havoc upon our bodies. Okay. We just have, someday I'll get typhoid and I'll string it's little neck. Yeah. We're just, okay. We have colds. So, we'll burn everyone who has typhoid first

and foremost. It'll come out of screaming. Then we'll put it inside of here. These jars will capture it. Sooner or later, I'll get my bloody hands on the typhoid and show it who did the wrong. Okay. So, I think, I think we're going to wrap up the gathering. So, thanks for coming everybody. Everyone get nude now. Everyone. What's happening? Close off. Throw them in the pile in the center. We're going to sniff through these garments and find out where that void lives. My father was taken by typhoid. Oh, we know. We're going to need to get everyone naked. Everyone now. Come on. Why? I'll start. My shirt's off and I don't even have it. Oh, Christ. There we are. That's right. I've got a weird little pecker.

But that doesn't matter. We're going to find the void. Well, I've got a strange pecker. I'll admit it. It looks uncircumcised, but it's kind of circumcised. What? The moille died in the middle of the ceremony from typhoid. And I'm not going to stand for it. There's no way. Come on. What's everyone doing with their trousers on? Let's have a look at these things. Come on women, let's see the bushes. Gentlemen, let's have a look at the dongerlingers. There's no way someone's got a weirder pecker than mine. Well, looks like an elephant that's been shot in the trunk. Okay, you can leave. Thank you. I can't. I'm not going to walk the streets naked. The void finds any orifice it can and swims in there like a reverse tail. Okay. Thank you. Is anyone going to try the

clams? So he, like I said, he was he he's a zealot, right? Yeah. Anybody who would listen to him about how typhoid is spread, he's he's telling him about how destroys the body. I love this guy so far. He went to Ithaca at one point. You have diarrhea. No. Well, you might not have typhoid. Have you had any water removements? No. Do you have a mushy tushy? I haven't been working out. So that's a little different. I mean, the I mean, it's soft. Passing things. You see, footballs. Typhoid took from me the greatest man I've ever met. No, I don't. Were you there at the big group thing earlier? Yeah, we all were. Okay, same. Anywhere.

You just went and put your pants on and came back in. I did. These aren't even mine. I couldn't find my pants. I don't know who these belong to. I can't get them. I can't get the button around my. Yep. So we're done. Thank you very, very much. All right. So in Ithaca, he goes to Ithaca at one point because people are sick, and everyone thinks it's a flu. He's like, it's not the flu. He convinces them. Finally, it's not. He even talks to owners of houses into burning down their houses for their health. Look, you guys, enough's enough. We've got to torch these cribs. Come on. Enough's enough. Typhoid lives inside of your floorboards. Every part of your house has typhoid.

You need to burn your houses, both of you. And quickly, there's no time to waste. Typhoid took from me something worse and bigger than a house. It took my father. So we got to torch them right away. Let's put kindling in the, let's put kindling in the living rooms. I'll burn the house if you shut up. If you shut up, I'll burn the house. Get your clothes off. They'll catch you on fire. I'll go first. Pants are off. Shirts off. Under shirts off. No underwear. All right. I'll tell you, if you got your penis burned by some of those flames, I don't think you'd have a weirder schlong than me. I feel like you could kill typhoid by boring it to death. That's what happened to me was the Moyle died during the service. Typhoid got him.

He was halfway through cutting the crown. So typhoid just looks like a half chewed piece of calamari. Go ahead. So typhoid leads to nosebleeds and then a rash for five days, ulcers, broken blood vessels in the intestines, inflammation of the gallbladder, heart failure, pneumonia, osteomyelitis, encephalitis, and meningitis. And that happens over three weeks. Oh my God. So you're just getting assaulted. I don't think they all happen. But and then the fever usually breaks in the fourth week. So you have a fever for three weeks, at least over three weeks. If you if you live, that is 10 percent of people die. Oh, shit. And then obviously they quarantine people and they get it. So

super very interested in this case because it's rich people getting sick, which is not usual. So this is very weird. Right. And scientific papers are still being published that state typhoid came from, quote, sewer gases in miasma. So they're just like it smells and sewers. Poor immigrants are often coming into the country or just detained and quarantined because they suspect it. So super goes to work. He starts making lists of guests and staff of the house for the last 10 years. What, 10 years? Yeah. I mean, I guess he just thinks that someone can leave it around for 10 years. I don't know. I mean, imagine someone being like, all right, now everyone who's come here for 10 years, please be like, I'm sorry, I don't have that. What? What? I mean,

who I don't know. So he gets the medical history of every person. They're all ruled out. Everybody for the last 10 years all ruled out. Jesus. So he's super frustrated. Usually typhoid is super easy to trace. There's like, you know, feces and water or or there's bad milk or whatever a sick person came to visit. And then someone just goes in there talking and someone mentions the cook that had been hired. Oh, and he's like, who's this? And she just vanished when everyone got sick. Huh. Now, Mary, not much of a talker. She was described as quote, a woman of about 40, a good cook and difficult to talk to. Okay. So he now is like, who's this cook? And he starts tracking down Mary and she, they got it through the employment agency. So he gets every name through this employment

agency and location of where Mary had worked over the last 10 years. And he starts going to these places. Okay. He's just going to these these places as she worked at Harry Gilsley's home on Long Island. Four of the seven servants had gotten typhoid three years ago. There was another outbreak at a house in Mamoronic. I'm sure someone will get mad. Two weeks after Mary worked there. A little while after that, she worked at a house in Manhattan and there was an outbreak there that killed the child. Whoa. In Maine, she worked for a rich attorney for five weeks. And during that time, seven of the family and staff got typhoid. So the the attorney has given Mary a bonus for staying all night. So he got the family got sick and he asked her to stick around to help

and quote, working side by side with me nursing the sick. So he has so he's like, if she I mean, she so wait a minute. Okay, never mind. I mean, I think, okay, I've heard this, heard this term before her name, right? Is that not like a okay, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so he's like, hang out, stick around, help me with the sick and she and is she like, for lack of a better term, like asymptomatic? Yes. So she can't she's got no tells and everyone's like, help us with the sick. And she's like, huh, okay. And everyone's like, God, everything, everyone's getting typhoid. And then she's like, she what? Yeah, right. She's been around so much. She's like, I don't get this thing, whatever it is. It's not right. Right. So she's like, I'm fine.

Is that a thing? Do they know that asymptomatic ish typhoid is a thing? Probably not. I don't know if they suspect it, but they they're going to know it soon. I think they suspect it. But I think, yeah. So so far is just like, this is crazy. Yeah, is typhoid. Yeah, I mean, the attorney gave, he gives supper a better description of her. She's five six with clear blue eyes and a somewhat determined mouth and jaw. Oh my God. First of all, that is like the craziest. What is that? What does that even mean? You're like, okay, she's got a determined mouth and jaw. So it's just kind of like pursed lips, like real linebackery, lower half of the face.

What does that even mean? I think it's like, but then I mean, the previous description was probably like a woman Irish. And he's like, I know the type. I got her right here. Yeah, red hair, freckles covered in clovers can't stop clicking her heels when she walks. I know the type. Yeah, that's it. So my so sober now, which you could see what's your cat doing. It's just insane. I'm not sure. You don't have to tell me. I know. Okay. I've met the cat. Okay. So so for also thought the dish that was giving people typhoid was peach ice cream with raw sliced peaches on top, which Mary liked to make. That is also so so he hunts for her now for seven months. Oh, my God. So per everywhere he's going, you don't understand typhoid took my father from me. So

if you see her, reach out to me here as soon as you can. And if anyone sees my pants, sorry, I jumped into that so fast. I just thought I thought there was more typhoid here than it turns out there is. It's just that typhoid took from me the man that showed me how to do everything. The man that showed me how to bathe, shower, shave. Okay. Hey, buddy, people. Yeah. Sorry. I'm a little tipsy. I had a couple. I had a couple of rums. What's going on? We're good. No, we're good. Let's just we're quiet quiet zone. Oh, all right. Sorry. I didn't mean to talk through the quiet zone. I am. I'd also would like to apologize for the member quiet zone. It's simply not my fault. It's quite zone. You know what it's like when you're trying

to perform surgery on a baby dong? Okay, delicate. Yep. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you guys. So good to beat everybody. Bye. Bye. Thank that's the closet door. Where am I going? All right. Thank you so much, everybody. It was awesome to be here and to meet you. And I would like to think that if I find myself in this neighborhood again, that it would not be terrible to come by and say, how are you doing? And there's a lot of changes I'd make. There's a lot of changes I'd make from the from the first encounter without we would probably change opening the door. Actually, we'd rather have typhoid than hang out with you. That's you're not. I'll tell you what, you're not going to get typhoid from me. If anyone is well, I'd rather talk to you. If I get typhoid,

you say that, but you don't understand what typhoid. If you say that, then I think I should sit down and explain a little bit more of what typhoid can do because you sound ignorant, sir. And I don't mean to interrupt the quiet zone or whatever you called it, but typhoid is not a mistress you want to tangle with. We all have it. So it doesn't, we're fine. You know, we have typhoid right now, all of us. I think that you're saying that because you want me to go. Yes. And I don't love that. I know. I really want you to go. I'm so torn as to what to do. So he, Soaper wants to catch her bad. He like sees her at this point like an adversary and

anemesis. She's like typhoid. He's Spider-Man and she's typhoid. Yeah. Before he found her, he gave his findings that he had put together on her so far to the American Medical Association. And once she was ID'd by name, she was given the nickname Typhoid Mary. Right. But the nickname is not created by newspapers or random people. The AMA creates the nickname Typhoid Mary medically speaking. We're calling her Typhoid Mary. So it's a catchy name in the public and press run with it. She's a phenomenon. And where the hell is she? How does, is word just traveling so oddly that she has no idea that they're, or is she just like, boy, I hope they get their bloody hands on this typhoid Mary. She sounds like a bit of a problem. Yeah, possibly. She, you know, because if, if

Typhoid Mary's in your house cooking, you're like, number one, she's a great fucking cook. Everybody wants her. But also like, well, she's been there for a couple of months and everything's fine. So it's not her. Right. So over, so Soper is now famous off of this, like it's blowing up everyone's profile. So over the next year, the AMA publishes Soper's work, which also drives her nickname, you know, Further Home and Typhoid Mary is who parents use to scare their kids into behaving. Kids skipping rope are chanting, Mary, Mary, what do you carry? The San Diego Evening News said Mary's kids was quote without parallel. I just can't admit, like the scaring your kids would like, well, okay, but if you want to stay

up and eat popcorn, Typhoid Mary's going to make you shit your pants. You're just like, oh my, like, I feel like there's a lot of stuff we parents do that is just horrendously wrong. That's one of them. But it seems like there's just a lot of like, you know, things where you just like completely lie to your children just because you want to go to bed or you want to like smoke a joint. Yeah. Yeah, doesn't seem great. I'll never forget when I busted my mom on Santa being fake. And I was at the time I was like, this is like, for every kid that's just like, why would you do that? And I my favorite part of mine was I was just like, as she was leaving, I was like, what about the tooth fairy? Like, I was like, is this a big lump in lies? But like, yeah, it's just not

quality parenting, it seems. Okay, it's not. So there's there there are over 1000 cases a year of typhoid, because the city's filthy. But Mary's being singled out, right? So super funny finds are working in a house on Park Avenue. Wow. A maid was sick. And as was a daughter of the owners, she's in her 20s, she's dying. So he just wants to talk to Mary and he approached quote, as diplomatic as possible. I want no trouble. I need to get eyes on Mary. My name's so per typhoid killed my papa. Everyone relax. So they talk in the kitchen. In front of the house. Yes, in front of the house, the lady of the house and other staff. And he says, she has typhoid, she doesn't respond well. She sees it as an accusation.

Why don't I have toy for it? You have toy for it. Basically, right. And he thinks she's going to be relieved because now she knows why everyone's beginning sick around her. But that's not what happens. Remember, she's crazy private. She does not like to tell things about herself. And within minutes of just not talking, him saying stuff. Sober just gets to his point, which is he wanted urine, stool, and blood samples. All right. Look, now, Mary, all I'm asking for is some simple stuff. Here are some cups. I need urine in one, and I want your poop in another. No. And I'm going to have to encourage most of the people in the house to lose the clothing

because your typhoid will seep right into them. No. So, Mary, remember, she's like, this is, this is a crazy private person. And he's like, I just need some shit and piss and blood. All right. Look, it's not crazy. Can you just cut your arm and drain it into this a little bit, and then this one will be for pee, and then go poops in this one. So she, quote, she seized a carving fork and advanced in my direction. I passed rapidly down the long, narrow hall and out through the tall iron gate. And so to the sidewalk, I felt rather lucky to escape. What a great twist for her to just kill him right then.

So this is the tone of the relationship that Sober and Mary establish. Okay. She probably doesn't understand any of this because she feels fine. She's like, I'm not sick. I, I, yeah, that's, I'm fine. So, Sober now considers her, quote, a menace to society. Right. So even though this conversation happened in front of the lady of the house, she keeps working there. The owners keep. So what's for dinner, Mary? What are you thinking? A little bit of typhoid. Oh, that sounds great. Well, why don't we have some duck and you can typhoid the potatoes and then that sounds really good. So awesome. Just if you can just give a,

yeah, great. Just could you write it down so I can just show Clark and make sure that that's fine. And what was that guy even really talking about? I don't know. Yeah. It just, it seemed really weird, but okay. So it's just, he felt like he said that you were had typhoid. No, no, no. You know what we loved was when you put a little bit of dill in the mashed potatoes. Yeah. I know Clark loved that. Yeah. So if you could do something like that, that'd be great. Yeah. Just a bit of typhoid. Yeah. Sure. I mean, it's hard for me to taste because my tongue has all those screaming boils on it. And most of the food isn't really, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not having regular BMs, if you know what I mean.

Yeah. We'll get that going. It's hard to explain. It's just sort of always, I just always feel like I sat in gravy. Does that make sense? You'll be shitting like a benchy. Yeah, great. I'd love to shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Okay. Great. You're the best. So days later, Soper tries again this time he follows her home. So she lives on 33rd and 3rd Avenue under the L train. She lives with an alcoholic boyfriend. They're not married. Chill, chill, chill. So this is a woman who came from Ireland when she was 15, worked away to the top of her profession and is fine living at a wedlock that it's what's known as a new woman at this time. She's basically just like, fuck all the traditional shit. So she's not the type, as you can imagine, to take

shit or be bossed around. Right. So Soper follows her boyfriend to a saloon and befriends him. Hey, my man, how you doing? You want a whiskey here? What kind of ale are you having? Hey, hey, Barkeep, make it two, would you? I love having an ale myself. Hey, did you hear about this? What are they calling it? Typoid? Have you heard about this thing? Hey, I don't know either. I just put the Yankee game out in front of me and I'm happy to, amigo. But I guess it's really dangerous. So a picture of this, though, it's a shitty 3rd Avenue bar, saloon bar place that's probably, and all of a sudden this guy comes in, you know, dressed to the nines, probably, like whatever. But her boyfriend's a drunk. He doesn't have a job. He just drinks all day. So

quote, I got well acquainted with him. He took me to see his room. So that's where she lives. It's very, it's very strange to go meet a guy in a bar and then that night he shows you his room. Well, it's not night. It's day because she's working. Okay, still. And he clearly talked him into it somehow. Okay. I should not care to see another like it. It was a place of dirt and disorder. Sure. And that's without what he said to the guy. He was like, this is great. I mean, it's probably just a standard tenement sort of situation in New York City. Right. Soper didn't even know where he could sit or if he could sit. Wow. So the boyfriend sets her up to meet Soper. Okay. So Soper comes like the next day or whatever. He brings another doctor. This is really quite

a con. He's got going. I mean, he meets this guy at a bar. He gets to go see his place. And then the next day he's like, I'd love to meet her. Wow, man. You're like my best friend. This guy's like, Hey, Mary, I'm at the coolest dude today. He loves the first of all, he came up here. He couldn't believe it. He said there were so many good places to sit down. He didn't even want to. He's awesome. He's just like me. He likes to drink whiskey. He likes to party. You got to meet him. I finally feel like I made a best friend in the city. It's awesome. I love this guy. So, oh, by the way, one thing he loves is piss, blood and poop. He's always asked to get mugs of that stuff. The guy loves this stuff.

So he brings another doctor with him as muscle and also to help explain to her what's going on. He sounds like he's a bit scared of herself. Those who knew her best said Mary not only walked more like a man than a woman, but also that her mind had a distinctly masculine character. But again, that goes into the new woman thing where they're like, you're not getting married. You're just going to live with this guy. You're going to just have your own job and work and do everything we tell her to. It's very manly and off-putting. So Mary gets there and she's fucking dead. She's fucking livid and starts talking to him. She's never had typhoid and she's like, typhoid's fucking everywhere. No more than when she worked. But the difference is,

she's right. Typhoid is everywhere where the poor people live, but they're saying no because where the rich people live, there isn't typhoids. But in her mind, it's like, it's fucking everywhere. What are you talking about? And at this point, her boyfriend's just like, soper. You said your name was Tim Galveston. You know each other. You said you just wanted to watch bowl games with me. So she's also not sick. She has no symptoms. Right. And here's the other thing. He fucking, this is the dumbest thing he gets. So he met a super private person. Yeah. And then instead of being honest, he fucking befriends her boyfriend and

gets into her apartment and learns everything he can about her. Like he fucking blew it. Like any chance. He had a slim chance already, but any chance he had is just gone. He's totally inept. Right. I mean, he's smart as shit, but he's fucking dumb. I love the guy. So this is just to her a total violation. His response to meeting a private person was to invade her life. So the two doctors have to make a quote, hurried departure. So she chases both of them out. Wow. Basically, look, she has a great job and these doctors are threatening to blow it up. Yeah, right. No one's going to hire a poor person disease-carrying cook.

So Soper knows he's blown it. So he turns everything he has about Mary over to Herman Biggs of the city health department. Soper's like, she needs to be taken into custody. She can't be out there. So Biggs is like, I don't want to do that. So he goes and finds Sarah Josephine Baker, who's the first woman to get a doctorate in public health in New York state. Her father also died of typhoid. So he's like, it'll be good. It's from me. The most important man I ever knew. My father. You don't understand what typhoid Jesus Christ. She's just like, holy shit.

All right, let's get the dresses off, girls. Now you might notice something a little abstract about my downstairs. So I think, I think this is like, he's like, well, this woman can't, I assume they're like, this woman can't handle be talked to by men. Like, it's amazing that Soper tosses it to this other dude who right away is like, look, you want to catch a cowboy, you send a cowboy, you want to get a woman, you send a woman. So we don't know. She keeps chasing us with carving instruments. Look, she doesn't talk man. We try. She doesn't speak man. Her brain is deformed. She wouldn't even give us a mug of poop. She's crazy.

So Dr. Baker goes to the Park Avenue house where Mary's working and Mary slams the door on her face. So the next day, Baker comes back with five cops and an ambulance. Quote, Mary was on the lookout and peered out a long kitchen fork in her hand like a rapier. As she lunged at me with the fork, I stepped back, recoiled on the policemen, and so confused matters that by the time we got through the door, Mary had disappeared. Wow. So she lunges in, they fall back and then she runs into the house and she's gone. Like she throws like a smoke cloud and she's fucking gone. But it's really like, yeah, but it just seems like everyone's an extra in the movie of Mary.

Quote, disappear is too matter of fact a word. She had completely vanished. Sir, come on. So they searched the house. She did worse than disappear. She's vanished. What's the difference? Well, there was less of a poof. Well, you said it, so I'm just trying to differentiate between the two definitions of the word. She didn't disappear at all. She vanished. I think you have you ever seen someone vanish? Yeah, it's kind of the same thing as disappearing is what I'm saying. Like the words are pretty interchangeable. I couldn't disagree more. She's, when she, she didn't, she did not disappear. I've seen people disappear.

You at least can have, you have a, you see a shadow, you hear some heedles going down a dark alley when someone disappears. She vanished. There was simply nothing there. A lot of us don't think she ever even existed. What do you think about that? Jag off? Well, I think you should leave the house then. If she doesn't exist, then there's no reason for you to be here. Where a lot of us are thinking that, that maybe she doesn't, but we all again saw her before, before she vanished. In a big plume of snow. Dis, dis, disav, dis, disannished. She, no, there was no, don't try to encroach you're disappearing on it. She vanished.

And look, you might be saying this guy just likes to argue. Well, screw you, Jag off. Hm? With your little tie and your dumb buttons? Your shirt's not even tucked in creep. Huh? Okay. What if I fought you, started with a groin kick? I'm not, I'm not interested in... I bet you play with dolls and put them in sexual positions. I bet you go home and put your little dollies in a 69. What the fuck are you doing right now? I'm out of here. Some milk bomb! So, they search the house and they find footprints into the neighbor's yards. They search that house. I mean, she's like Bigfoot.

They don't find her. They search the house. Look at the scat on the walls. She was around here. They searched the house for five hours. Oh my God. The other servants are refusing to talk. She's living in the walls like a rat? Finally find her hiding in a closet under the staircase. Quote, she came out fighting and swearing, both of which she could do with appalling efficiency and vigor. Oh, your stupid clothes. Oh, you piece of shit. Oh, what is this? Give me that cleaver! Baker tried to talk to her and ask her for specimens. Quote, by that time she was convinced that the law was wantonly prosecuting her

when she had done nothing wrong. She knew she had never had typhoid fever. She was maniacal in her integrity. There was nothing I could do but take her with us. The policeman lifted her on into the ambulance and I literally sat on her all the way to the hospital. It was like being in a cage with an angry lion. You poop. Poop at that mug. Poop. Poop. You poop now. Poop, Mary. Poop. Come on, Mary. Give us something to poop. Wow. So they take her to the hospital and they lock her in like a white... It's like catching King Kong. Yeah. They take her to the hospital and they lock her in like a white, you know, like a padded sort of cell kind of thing. Sure. And they take specimens from her. Oh my god.

I don't know how that happened, but it's not... Yeah, I mean, it's pretty remarkable. It's a bummer. Look, Mary, we'll play the waiting game. You're gonna piss at some point. I'll come in there and get the poop. Look, Mary, it's been three days. You're just in the fetal position. Let her rip, baby girl. Indeed, Typhoid is in her stool. Wow. Now, Mary cannot comprehend the idea of a healthy carrier. It's just not... Right. Based on the world that they're in, it's just that's not a thing. Right. Right. Baker wrote, quote, it was Mary's tragedy that she could not trust us. Now, the health commissioners said, Mary's denial was unprecedented and they keep taking samples.

Soper comes to see her and he said she was, quote, curiously healthy and fearfully angry looking. Hello, Mary. She just hates Soper. Well, you really are... You're oddly looking well and yet mad. Are you mad? You seem healthy physically. Mentally, you are back to where you always were, Mary. What are you gonna understand? When are you gonna understand what Typhoid took from someone like me? Have I even told you about my past, my childhood? Well, sit down. You're gonna hear it again, sister. So he tells her, quote, when have I asked you to help me before you have refused and when others have asked you, you have refused them also. You should not be where you are now if you have been so obstinate. So throw off your wrong-headed ideas and be reasonable. Nobody

wants to harm you. Now give us your poop again. He's just being a dick. Now give us some more poop. I'm okay. Thank you. And a little pee and some blood. So she says nothing to that and he goes on to say that she causes Typhoid from going to the bathroom and not washing her hands and then cooking. Oh, it's just disgusting. And then he says... It's like eating a Chipotle. He says it's in her gallbladder. And if they remove her gallbladder, she can go and be free. And then he says, I'll write a book about you. This guy's pitch is unbelievable. He's so fucking dumb. It's all over the place. Look, Mary, you don't understand. It's because you're crap and not washing your hands and then cooking. Give me your gallbladder,

you could go back to cooking. I'm gonna write a book about it. All right? I'll sign here, lady. I know you're a super private lady, but what about a book? Give me your gallbladder and I'm gonna write a book. Bam, bam. One, two. Also remember surgery is not really a great thing. I mean how accurate... What do you say we cut you up? Look, Mary, listen, give me that carving fork, all right? Where's that gallbladder? Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna perform a dirty surgery on you, remove some final parts, then I get a three-book deal. About you, a private person. It's gonna be all about you and your shit, your piss, and your blood, and your typhoid. And look, it's a trilogy, all right? It's called the

Typhoid Trilogy. First one, piss, second one, blood, third one, shit, bam, bam, bam. So after you says that, Mary just went into the bathroom and slammed the door and wouldn't come out. Wash your hands. So they then send Mary to an isolated cottage on North Brother Island in the East Hudson River. I'm good with this. I'd be like, cool. Her time there was covered by the New York Daily News, which wrote that she was America's first carrier of typhoid. That was wrong. First apesomatic carrier. Okay. A lot of doctors came with questions, you know, to check her out. Reporters kept showing up and asking for her story. And remember, this is a woman who does not like to talk about herself. Yeah, right. Mary, quote,

I have been in fact a peep show for everybody. So they experiment with different drugs, but no one explains, no one explains to her what exactly is, what they think is happening with the disease. They're not explaining it to her because they think she... I don't know. Sofer did a pretty good job when he said, give me your gallbladder and I'll write a book. That seemed pretty good. It's coherent. But they, they think she's just a dumb Irish immigrant. They don't think she has the brain to understand what's going on. So they're not, like they're coming to poke and prod her, but no one's actually like being like, this is what's going on. Right. So there are all kinds of different drugs. The health department is like, if you have

your gallbladder removed, you can go back to your normal life. Is that, is that medically accurate? Well, they found, they had, at this point, they, they found people that have typhoid in their gallbladder. Right. But is that... I don't know, I don't know if it is. Yeah. I don't think it is, but I can't... Yeah. So I'm glad she's not taking that deal so fast. But they don't, they don't know for sure that's where it is. They're just kind of, you know, going with it. So Mary, quote, no knife will be put on me. I've nothing to matter with my gallbladder. So... Is she rapping? She, she feels fine. So she's like, I'm fucking fine. Right. So she just stays in this cottage prison. They think she's an asymptomatic carrier

there. And that would make her the first known one in the US. And then she starts to get a following in the public. Like right up until this point, it's been relegated to like, you know, small stories, but now... We're following her all summer to every cottage. A civil rights debate breaks out over her treatment. Right. Is it constitutional? People are talking about on the streets, in the papers. The health department is being attacked a little bit for forcibly taking her. So Mary is the fight over good health, public health, and protection of personal liberties, right? What's nice is that she's just like, please, for the love of God, just stop talking about me.

And people are like, we're going to make you known forever, Mary. We got your back. She's like, it sounds like this is just going to make this longer. You're damn right, it will, Mary. We're taking your fight all the way to the Supreme Court. No, I'd rather have no doubt. I took my gallbladder out to load last night. So also, so the people, the city leaders and everything, all the rich and whatever, like we said, they think the sick are responsible for their actions, right? It's a moral failing. Quote, crimes of neglect or ignorance were cast as more dire than crimes of passion or premeditation. Wow. So, so it's like a train engineer would be like really harshly prosecuted for causing an accident because a train accident is bad for the

larger public, right? It makes people scared of trains, all the people get hurt, right? So it's like a bigger thing. So diseases are seen in sort of a similar way. Okay. So the city leaders are like, well, she has to face justice, but she's broken the laws. There's no trial. I mean, she has killed people by having typhoons. Right. But yeah, but she doesn't know. Right. No, I know, but she's killed rich people. That's true. I guess when you put it like that. The New York Charter says health leaders must use quote all reasonable means for ascertaining peril to life or health or for averting the same through the city. So the rich people are scared that they got sick over this. Like I said, the poor have always lived with it.

And there's nothing like this to help them, obviously. This is just for rich people. So, right. An attorney, George Francis O'Neill, comes to see her. And he was big like helping the Irish and whatnot. And he submits a writ of habeas corpus in court to get her out. And they get her records and not every sample taken from her. By the way, she's been here for year, two years now. Holy shit. Not every sample taken from her over that time period is positive. She was quote an intermittent carrier. So there have been weeks where she tested negative and then went test positive again. So it's just like it can it can just go on for this long. I mean, they don't know any of this shit either. They're just learning this. They're just starting to figure

this out. And obviously she's that's why. Okay. Yeah. Now, it is also believed that the attorney, O'Neill, got help from William Randolph Hearst. Oh, boy. People think Hearst funded her defense to get because he wants the story in the papers. He wants the fight, the trial. Well, he let it sensationalism. He's a yellow journalist, you know, piece of shit. So, so they take their own samples. And her boyfriend takes them to a private lab. And the private lab is like she's negative. So Mary's like, I've been tested like a leper. She doesn't understand how a defenseless woman can be treated in this manner. Doctors and like I said, there's shitloads are just poking and

prodding her. None have explained it to her. And so this all goes to the Supreme Court. Wow. The not not the American, the New York Supreme Court, right? Okay. A lot of people are following this and they're like, well, she should be educated not to spread it instead of in prison. So a lot of people are like, it's not fair. Right. And now I should say, in the time that she has been identified and till now, they've identified 50 more carriers, asymptomatic carriers, right? None of them jailed. And she so just because she's patient zero, so everyone's rich people of rich people. Yeah. So everyone's just like, so it really makes no sense. Why it doesn't, if you're not going to do that to everybody, then right. I mean,

again, the people, right, what Theranos and everything, the people who fuck with the rich are the only ones, right? It's that's what it always is. Yeah. So they they estimate there's around 400 asymptomatic carriers. But also, you know, this is a time when people are just getting sick, because the sanitary conditions of cooking are bad anyway, so whatever. So Dr. John Maher quote, she became a cause a celebrity. She sold papers. She was a character. So the court, here's the case, all this stuff, and they side with the health department. And the board of health has made her legal guardian and she's sent back to North Brother Island. Holy shit. For, for, for, for ever. Like she's, well, she's not, at this point, they're like,

that's it. Give us your gallbladder. Stay over there. And then their boyfriend's like, your honor, I also lost my best friend in this whole situation. I found a really chill dude who liked watching the Yankees and his name was Soper. And then it turns out he was undercover typhoid cop typhoid cop. That's a great show. Yeah. TYPD. The New York Times called her quote a veritable para, I don't know what this word is, peripatetic breeding ground for the Basile who was jailed on pest island. It's called pest island because that's where people have tuberculosis and everything. It's an island of people with sicknesses. By the way, now that would be like a TBS show. Pest Island. Yeah. You saw the slap

that TBS is doing that show. What's the slap? The slap dude. The slap is like, Dave, it will depress you. The slap will depress you. It's Dana White, UFC man who also likes the slap. Oh no. Who also enjoys the slap his wife. Hey women. Yeah. No, this show is, it's just two people go out and they stand across from each other and you, there's like, you know, you have to do it a certain way. It has to be palm fingers at the same time, but you just basically slap each other as hard as you can across the face. Hey, everybody, does everybody know what dystopia is? Dude, you're not, there's like doctors were like, this is as bad as head trauma. This should not be happening. No, it's crazy. It's, and like people get rocked. Cage fighting shouldn't,

when I was young, growing up, every dystopia movie, every post-apocalyptic movie had a cage fight. That was one of our, hey, you're living in a dystopian post-apocalyptic world. But dude, they, they, they got it wrong because it was actually when two people just stood across from each other and just slapped each other across. I mean, dude, you should see what happens. It's absolute, like, because you just got to stand there and you can't move. You can't move at a flinch at all. And then they just, and it's like people get rocked. You know what, I think it's going to be a TV show at some point. The stab. People, 12, 10 families from other countries who want to move to America and one family wins citizenship. And the others, and then,

and then they go, you're deported. Or no, it's just like, you got asylum. Thanks for trying, everybody. Thanks for trying to be Americans. Unfortunately, you'll have to go back. No, there's no, unfortunately, when you get kicked off the show, there's a guy that goes, I'm sorry, Keteris family, you're deported. And then they come and they take him away. I'm telling you, it's going to come. I don't know. After seeing the slap, I'm like, okay, so it's over. Like it's done. So, okay, pest island. A new health commissioner comes in and takes over. Okay, he thought medical prisoners should be released and could exist on an honor system.

I bet everybody found this crazy. And Mary says, I will not work as a cook. Okay, she signs an affidavit and nine days after he took office, Mary is out. Well, now the public who's been debating what should happen to her is now immediately all like she's a menace to society. They just immediately, well, now that she's out, they all they all flip health care professionals are like the new commissioners out of his mind. But Mary gets a job as a laundress, as she said, she's not going to be a cook. It's a hard job. It's nothing like a cook. You're not in charge. You're not treated well. It's a whole different a lot less money, a lot less money.

She doesn't like it. She leaves that job and gets a job as a cleaning woman again. It sucks compared to what she used to do. Because she's a great cook. Yes. And it's the cream of the crop. She keeps trying different jobs. Her boyfriend dies of a heart issue. So now she's alone. It's working these terrible jobs. She stops checking in with the health department. Oh, Mary. And she goes back to her high paid well respected job as a cook. Because why should she take the hit? They didn't retrain her for another job. There's no welfare system. There's no safety net. The public doesn't want her to work this job. Then fucking pay the

difference or just pay her not to work the fucking job as a decent society would. So you don't get sick. You take care of this person. That's how you would do it if you were fucking normal. She could just code. Now, do the people who are hiring her know who she is? Or is she like, I'm my void mayor, Terry. And they're just like, oh, great. I've never heard of you. I've got much experience, but yeah, I love to cook whatever you love to cook. I'm really good. No, they don't know who she is. Okay. She gets an assistant job as a cook at a crappy Manhattan hotel.

Crap in the name. It's not good. Brush off, which was her ex-boyfriend's name. Her boyfriend's name, okay. Okay. She then worked at a boarding house as a cook and then a spa. She started using other aliases. The one she uses the most is Mary Brown. She's absolutely terrified. It's not great. No, I know. I mean, you can't fucking come on, Mary. Try harder. Hey, Mary, shit. Mary, shit, fingernails. Mary, dirty hand. She's terrified. Whatever she sees a cop, she won't go to a hospital because, you know, she's worried. Yeah, I mean, this person is going to have some

feelings that are resentful against those places of those people, for sure. At one point, she gets a wound on her hand and it gets infected and she just suffers with it for weeks. Jesus. She gets a job at a restaurant on Broadway, a pretty nice restaurant, and then typhoid hits the restaurant and she vanishes or disappears. Which is it, please? What? I think the same. They're completely different. Vanishes or disappears. They're completely different. No, both you throw down a smoke bomb and then you're gone or you snap your fingers and you're gone and you get clothes falling a pile. That's invisible. That's totally different. That's becoming invisible. It's all the same. Oh my. No,

because when you're invisible, your clothes don't fall off. They... Actually, if you take your clothes off even when you're around, that's fine. Look, I heard we got a typhoid outbreak. Let's get the pants off. Now, I'll call it out before anyone's asking. Yes, it's a bit of a strange member. Looks like a grenade hit it. I understand. Some of you say it looks like a half a one. Well, it sort of does look like that. It looks like a kazoo that somebody melted a little bit, but it doesn't make any noise. Let me tell you that. It still works. There's still function, but it ain't pretty to look at. I know that better than anyone. I got a hand mirror to study it when I lay on my bed in a mermaid pose. Okay. All right. Thank you. Just try to soap her

as the name. So they couldn't find her again. Now, this is 1915, so she's been out for like five years. Okay. She gets a job at Sloan Hospital for Women in a Sanitarium in New Jersey. Now, Anthony Bourdain says she is now a worn down cook, not working for the elite. The jobs suck. You know, she's just better. Like she wants to be a cook. She's a really good cook. Right. She's not able to do anything but now work in jobs where people don't really care about the food. You know, she's just cranking out slop as a put. Like she used to make big, she's cooking at the Sanitarium. Yeah. It's just not the same thing. So in January, 1915, there's an outbreak of typhoid, 25 women at the hospital and two die. And the source was traced to the cook,

Mary Brown. George Soeper is called and when he hears the description of the cook, he hurries over, but she's gone. And again, hard to find. Yeah. So we're not sure how. Now, there's like five different people who had said how they find it. Baker said she found her, Soeper said she found her. But it's the most plausible explanation I found is someone rat it on her because they, she's bringing Jell-O to a friend in Westchester. Because if you know someone who has typhoid, have him make you Jell-O and bring it over. Absolutely. Absolutely. Really, in case that Floyd inside of that gelatinous shape. And it's probably the case that the friend ratted her out. I would imagine because the cops are at the house when she shows up.

Right. Okay. She doesn't resist. She's taken into custody and they put her back on the island. Madeline Carlisle wrote, she lived, quote, a quiet, uncommunicative existence, grew fatigued and no longer hoped for freedom. So now no lawyers are going to help her. No one wants to be on her side. I mean, she got out and killed people with her infection. No big newspapers are going to help her. There's no public empathy at all. She signed the affidavit. Affidavit, she said she wouldn't work as a cook. And even worse, apparently to people, she used fake names. So everyone sees her as a criminal who willfully killed people. New York Times wrote, quote, Typhoid Mary has reappeared human culture tube,

her self immune spreads disease wherever she goes. Human, human culture tube is a great 80s. That's a hell of a band. We are a culture tube. Robert J.T. Joy, a colonel at the Uniformed Services University wrote, quote, this verges on assault with the possibility of second degree murder. So people are like really like, you know, she's a monster. I mean, it like, I get what you're saying, but then it's also like, you know, it is like, it's very difficult, obviously, but it is like, okay, if this happens and there's like, people die, I mean, you've probably, she probably knows like, that's bad news for her, you know. Of course. Yeah. But again, yeah, no, there's no take care. You, the state, you want people to

live again. Yeah. They didn't, they, they said just on an honor system, go make less money and have a worse life. No cooking, Mary. That's not her fault that you got typhoid. And if you want society, right? No, totally. Take care of this person. This isn't rocket science. There's, there's, yeah, there needs to be some sort of compensation. Or just have her only cook for the typhoid. She's the typhoid chef. Open a restaurant called typhoids. Yeah, foids. Yeah. Welcome to foids. Oh, Jesus Christ. You get all of them. You're very boyly. How many in your party? We're a party of five. No, Darren died on the walk over here. Four, please. I'll say, get you the four top right away. So what are you guys in town for when we're dying from typhoid?

Oh, right over here. You're going to love tonight. Is it hot in here? No, all the windows are open. No, no, no. Those are just your boils. I just want to let you guys know tonight we have a seared duck. We also have some great rib eyes and everything is prepared with fecal matter that contains typhoid upon it. Does anything go good with meningitis? Let me ask our chef. Her name is Mary poops. Oh, oh, the Mary poops. She's the best typhoid Mary. She's unbelievable. You're going to love it. So she doesn't have any friends. Sometimes they would let her out for a day trip and she would go to see this one family in Queens once in a while. So per quote, they were not particularly glad to see her. You guys are friends here. Anyone want some nachos? I bought

ready foods. I brought fist jello. He did off me fist. Here you are. Oh, do you want some thongs for the salad? No, I like to just mix it up with my fingers. I've kept me handed me butt for an hour. There we are. That's Irish at all. Oh, go for it. We've fixed the seizure dressing nicely. Hey, Kevin, why don't you lick the pieces off my fingers? So, I mean, it's just a terrible existence. They give her work in the island hospital. She helps with patients. In 1922, she was unofficially given the title of nurse, but she was still, quote, bitter and unrepentant. She was cold. She refused any friendship and she would eat every meal alone. In 1932, she had a massive stroke and was paralyzed. She never walked again. And six years later,

on November 11th, 1938, she died of pneumonia at 68 years old. So, the health department does an autopsy and they say they find that her gallbladder is full of typhoid. Sounds like they're making it up. Oh, yeah. It's brimming with typhoid. Oh, we've never seen so much typhoid in a gallbladder. Well, Soper said that's bullshit. There was no autopsy and the infected gallbladder story was just to boost the medical community's conspiracy theory about gallbladders. And if Soper's coming out and saying that. Yeah. At least 51 people died from typhoid, Mary, although we don't know exactly. No one knows them out. Only nine people went to her funeral. She was cremated, sent to a niece in Toronto. And Soper even was trying to correct the record now because people

always said he had stumbled across Mary instead of, you know, his painstaking investigation. Right. So now, now anyone in this day and age willfully spreading a disease is called typhoid Mary. I remember there was a typhoid, someone of the AIDS crisis, like a flight attendant guy. So testing for asymptomatic carriers was done in New York and 3% were found to share Mary's status. So there were between 90 and 135 asymptomatic carriers in New York when she was first discovered and around 400 when she died. Tony Labella caused 122 known cases with five deaths. He was held for two weeks in 1922 and then just let go. The press called him typhoid Tony, but he didn't catch on the way Mary did. So he he was doing the same thing. He was working in a bakery.

He violated the law, but he got out. He got to go. She's still in prison at that point. She's still in jail. And then there's other people. Yeah, it's just like there's, I mean, it is. It's just like like everything. It's, you know, well, sorry, it just didn't get sensationalized enough. It's like, well, why did she, why did not typhoid Tony, who first of all has a iteration going for him at second of all is Hall of Fame numbers. Hall of Fame numbers. Yeah. You know, again, she didn't, he didn't kill rich people, right? I mean, right. And he was just like, he did the same thing. He's like, I won't, I won't work in the bakery anymore. And then he worked in the bakery and killed people and they're like, really don't do it this time. He's like, okay. All right. Eventually two vaccines

were developed for typhoid and then antibiotics. North Brother Island is now a bird sanctuary. Wow. Much of this from Typhoid Mary, the notorious life and legacy of the cook who caused a typhoid outbreak in New York by the Charles River editors and also Anthony Bourdain, Typhoid Mary, and Urban Historical. Man. Yeah. I mean, there's so much there, obviously, but like, yeah, I mean, it is like, you know, partially, well, misinformation, media avoidance or or inflation, depending on which, you know, I was, you know, like, they keep talking about like the guy in Idaho killed people and it's terrible,

but it's just like, well, nothing's changed. Nothing's changed with that story. Right. Why, why are you fixated on this one thing? Well, because they do it. And then they ask beautiful white women got killed. Right. And if you ask them, and if you go, well, why aren't you reporting on like the cops who, you know, or whatever, they'll go, the media people will just be like, well, it's just not what people want to hear, you know, you fucking determine what people want to hear and beyond what they want to hear, it's what should they fucking hear? What has more, what is more important? What is more relevant? What has more, you know, weight to it today than, than that sort of shit. And that's, I mean,

again, it's like, that's why you deal with so much misinformation, because it's really, a lot of it is just like, good luck figuring out the world. And people are like, oh, wow, I found a website that's crazy. Yeah. But yeah, I just, again, can't imagine a time where there's such medical misinformation and sensationalism. I mean, there's also like, there's so many things going on here with, you know, she's an immigrant, she's a new woman. There's just rampant misogyny, you know, that's probably why Typhoid Tony, nothing happened to him, because he's a dude. Hey, welcome, nobody's talking about me. I gave so much more Typhoid. Yeah. And, you know, the hatred of immigrants, the inequality, like it's all, this is just the

perfect American story. Yeah, she's kind of, she's checking a lot of boxes. A lot of boxes. So it's like, xenophobes have someone, sexists have someone. Yeah. Yeah. And, and look, it's, it's wrong that, that absolutely we can just say it's thought out wrong that she, you know, went and worked again. But again, you go back to like, there's a way to handle these things. Like, no, we, yeah, we have, I mean, it's essentially the American response to COVID is, is how we treated Typhoid Mary. Good luck. Except it's actually gotta go to work. Because, you know, it's just like, go out there and do your thing. Gotta make the donuts. Good luck, everybody. Good luck. It's just not how, it's not how anything works. Like it's not,

it's the opposite of public health. No, you didn't. All right. Bye. Bye bye. Yeah. Well, and also, well, fuck it. I won't even say it. You know, I, did I ever tell you I hung out with Anthony Bourdain one time? Did you? Yeah. So we had a trap. That's one of the few people I would have loved to met and talk to. We had a travel channel show called Mancations. Evan Mann and I, whatever, years ago. And it was right when we knew we were going to get picked up, but it wasn't official. And so we had to go to New York to do a bunch of little press things. And, you know, basically record like little stupid shit. And it was one day where it was like, we were all, they, they'd got us all there together. And so it was like, mostly the news shows.

But there were a few other ones. There was like this piano mover show and all this other shit. But Anthony Bourdain shows up a little before lunch, because he's got to do some of this stuff, too. And he's, he's established and all that stuff. But he's there for probably like three, four hours, something like that. And so we're eating like the, the lunch that they cook. And he's, you know, he's Bourdain-ing the lunch, you know, he's going like, these beans are pretty good, but this is whatever. And then, and then so we're sitting there and he's just like, he's just like, these things are so fucking boring. And he's like, he's like, these things are just here to look at all these people who are just justifying their existences at this network.

And he's like, watch this. And he goes, excuse me, can we get some Heineken's? It's like three in the afternoon. And he's like, can we get some Heineken's or something? And they're all like, that's so funny, Anthony. He's like, seriously, can I pay a PA to go get some Heineken's? And they're all like, for sure. And like a PA comes over. He gives the PA like 50 bucks. He goes, get 24 bottles of Heineken if you can. And the PA is like, sure, goes out, comes back with two cases of Heineken. And, and we all have other stuff to shoot. He's going to be out in like probably the next hour or so. And we just sat there probably had three beers with him, while he was just basically explaining the, his operating procedure for the show, which he was basically just like,

essentially, keep the people that are on your show, respect them because just because you're on camera, doesn't mean shit. Those people are just as valuable as you treat them with respect and treat them like family. And he's like, and that is that is the recipe for success. He's like, just keep elevating the good and be respectful. And it was like a quick gap into that dude's world. And I was, and I didn't even watch his shit back then. But I was like, this guy is fucking awesome. And um, yeah, so there you go. There's a little Anthony Borden story. The real deal. He had, he was the real day and really good politics and a good human, you know, which Yeah, he was decent dude, which is, I like to call him the anti Alec Baldwin.

Yeah, I tweeted that, uh, this was, you ever have those ones where you're just like, I can't believe how I've united everyone in anger where I was like, we should have, we should let Alec Baldwin shoot Kyle Rittenhouse and he'll go to jail for it. And it was just like, oh yeah, right, right. The one, yeah, there was just like some of the things that were, I was just like, what, just good God, you, you forget because Alec Baldwin's history is abhorrent. Yes. But then you forget that he played Trump on Saturday Night Live. Right. Yeah. So all these people adore him for that. And it's like, no, he's, he's a bad dude. It's also just like, can you just let some fucking, can we just have jokes still? Yes, have like jokes. Yes.

And just, can you shut the fuck up? If it's not for you, I don't fucking need to hear that it's not for you. Then just ignore it. Ignore the shit. Well, I rarely block people and I had to block someone today. I was like, I can't, I can't. See, no, I normally just mute. That's my move, because I kind of find that to be like beautifully torturous for the person more than anything. Yeah. Well, anyway, it's a normal, normal world and it always has been. That's the always will be. Always will be. We are, we are the champions. We are the champions. Gobble, gobble, bless this mess. USA, baby. Numero, who? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.