The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 578 - New York Pigs

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

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Christ Jesus gave him Jesus Christ this is the return tour this is this is this is the he's back and not a lot of people know before he went behind that stone he put on shades and looked at all of the people and he said I'll be back yeah he did the first pigs arrived in North America with Columbus on his second trip eight pigs these are these are only some of my favorites wild declaration the first pigs the first pigs in North America yeah this is how American pigs started yeah pigs pigs very tough they could survive the voyage with very little care they could they could be an emergency food source if you're you know on a ship and you get off course you can eat them yeah I know you can eat them

they also would leave them on like islands to procreate and then when other voyagers came through there'd be an island of pigs they would do the pig leave behind yeah pig leave mine pig drop wow that is not so they would just bring the pigs to the island pigs at bang baby pigs then they take their pigs and then other people be like I wonder what's on here they'd be like you're not gonna believe what we found there are aliens on this island mud eating aliens with curly martian tails what peak little aliens with weird old martian tails and hooves like vaginas you're not gonna believe it it just sounds like an animal you're describing I think we've might be on the planet Pluto okay which I guess isn't a planet anymore

you've been at sea a while or they actually did make it a planet everyone drink the water from the ocean you'll be fine don't I'm feeling good so so they took very little space on the ship they're very so it's very self-sufficient on shore sure often explorers drop pigs drop my islands they would breed there it could be used by food by future explorers food you'd hunt like all very easy the whole thing historian Alfred Crosby quote the pig that followed the con quistadors was not the fat slow-footed creature we are familiar with today once ashore he became the fast tough lean self-sufficient greyhound of a hog much closer to appearance and personality to wild boar than to one of our 20th century hogs the Spanish swyre reproduced

with rapidity that delighted the pork hungry Iberians so pigs are banging there having ham it's a great pig it's just a great animal everyone's early America was a pig fuck situation like a serious pig fuck situation still is yeah that hasn't changed yeah so the pig you know takes over North America in that way Hernando de Soto arrived in Florida in 1539 and brought 13 pigs with them okay nice they only to be used in case of emergency and three years later those emergency pigs emerge pigs e-pigs break glass pigs sure after so 13 pigs three years later that had turned into 700 holy holy pig they so they they find so the pigs were but there's a lot of incest but still that's yeah it was a lot of it's I love familial

ham I know you do I like it I love it generations of incest pig is the best pig that's what I like and not just them other European colonizers brought pigs the Frenchman LaSalle brought eight like they're all brain pigs pigs with a thing no I'm so pig becomes a staple food not a bunch of pigs okay I just go ahead and put them over we got a lot of pigs like pigs are okay in the pig forest there's a lot of pigs pig forest huh yeah we have we already have a lot of pigs this could get interesting the pig forest okay this could be an adventure meant for a man and that's your name yes of course yes yes sorry I should introduce myself I thought you might know my name is the sale I'm an explorer I love pigs okay we all love pigs like

we're pig people everyone likes pigs there's no I'm in the shagging and I'm in the shagging and bagging yeah okay we're on a different topic now I feel like we've moved on is it pig forest if you like paper written all over it for me I don't know what you're talking about but if you like if you like shagging the pigs really fuck a lot in the forest it's a well that sounds like an adventure that has my name written all over it I think I could get used to this I don't understand why I smell squeak well yeah yes I don't I could see this being a one two hour body cup or maybe a mini series love story I don't know could go number of ways but there's one thing I know for sure this plot just got a lot sicker it didn't really yes new pigs boy I got a bad

feeling about this are you just saying different cliches that you think we're going to find that we're going to be deep in a bit of a well damn yep for me do you feel do you feel bad like just like 10 minutes in you already used the squeak well line squeak we could be good up top but we could also I feel like it to come back squeak was the sort of joke you could do more than once you know or is that like the car when you say it twice it's just squeak was squeak we could yeah oh boy this is going to get you crazy oh yeah it might be not good the pigs so the pig has a staple food for settlers like that's one of the main foods sure they're foragers they can just live off what they find in the woods you just set them loose

and and then you go hunt them down so it's super easy to care for right perfect that's what you need if you're a settler the term root hog or die was a favorite saying amongst settlers about survival root hog or die yeah root hog or die yeah I don't really get it either I tried to figure it out but I couldn't find a definition so I mean the hogs are rooting right the root is rude as in banging no it's not banging they don't have that I thought it was the odd root no no they're not there yet okay I think it means like ha they dig and then their hogs you either root hog or you die I think that's what they're saying you you dig you've not clarified too much for me dig is a pig you just said dig is a pig uh-huh pigs and so they're looking for roots if you don't have a pig root

hog and then you're dead man so you keep having the cadence to someone who's kind of clearing it up and then I'm not getting it anymore let's just move on let's just move on if you if you don't get deep in the hog you got no life you know what I'm saying that is completely off of where double down double down deep hog or you're dead bitch come on hey I think that is going to be pretty crazy to try to figure this out so meat from four hogs could last a family from the winner they would eat okay every every part of the pig was used a common colonial saying also was quote all of the hog is used except the squeal oh okay it's almost like you're there right you can't yeah you can't cook that because it's a sound um so they're doing pig jennies pig butt pig snout pig

eye pig anus the whole pig eyes they're eating it all yeah the the hoof they're eating that yeah yeah you just got to cook it longer yeah we do here yeah blood was used in blood pudding the intestines for sausage skins the fat for lard the shoulders hams and bacon flanks were salted and cured to eat in the future all settlers ate hogs there was no one was like I don't like hog so I'm not I am a bit of a big I'm an animal rights person I like beets I like like root vegetables but not pigs that would be me uh pigs and cattle's not fenced in just totally roam free okay uh pig owners called free range were they calling it free range frigs nice um pig owners would cut notches in the pig's ears and then register the marks with the clerk of the court to be like that's

my pig notch sure and so that's my pig by law you had just like a dmv yeah same deals dmv can I see your pig ear yeah it's right here there you go you can see I've registered uh so I've I've notched him by law uh you as proof that you had killed your own pig you had to save the pig ear for a year after it was butchered or until the entire animal was gone so if you had like I'm not so once you once you what is that I assume okay I assume you're eating the hoof the hoofs last that would be my guess sure so once you've eaten the hooves then you just throw out your go okay we can throw out the ear now because it doesn't matter and I'm just okay it makes no sense but I also you're not eating the hoofs last I think you're eating the hoofs early get it out of the

way yeah yes get it out of the way save yourself some great meat for different times like what if you have company that's when you want to do the the bacon bits what's it the tails for the tails for company yeah modern law right uh so uh so a pig there was also uh obviously pig thefts right sure uh punishment for pig theft varied in different places uh very harsh because pigs are very important animal a pig thief thief might have to wear a sign around his neck or have the letter h branded onto his forehead so a scarlet pig theft letter and the h stands for hog hog theft or you'd be like no it's Henry I was in a fraternity if not it's not I it's not what you're thinking I was in a fraternity yeah uh happy hoppa hoppa hoppa I'm a really fun loving

guy I didn't know about the punishment until after I did that I yeah I woke up h branded on your head for life because you stole a pig yeah yeah yeah you know when I look back it was a pretty it was a what I call a hinge moment it was really where things change for me when um they put the h in the middle of my head for the hog theft yeah but anyway we don't want you around so that nobody is into it it's just yeah we all have pigs so yeah and I the other thing about me is if I take them what can they do just what another brand well there's other punishments obviously cutting off your ears or feet oh okay well well either way it's taken I it's been a real pleasure to be a part of this society you can take both eyes but I'm happy I don't know what he's can we take his eyes

I'm just a fun loving guy yeah they so they took my eyes and I got the H and uh is the H still there I'm unable to check anymore oh yeah it's getting worse because you can't clean I'll tell you the heart I'll tell you it was hard to steal a hog with an H on my head but when they took my eyeballs that became a real uphill battle I've been unable to but the good news is they can't do anything else to me they got my eyes hey Jeff you're talking to a tree ah god this is just really what a really good follow-up punishment they really got me yeah all right well I'm gonna go off I got no clue where I'm gonna go this guy stole my pig what no we're taking your feet so look there's the H there's no eyes and I'm footless and I gotta say they nailed it there's no way I'm taking another one of these

things there's just no way I don't even know if I'm talking to anyone or if anyone's around or if I'm near anything or where I am or what I am or buddy yeah you're standing you're standing in my pig farm oh my god tell me that I'm not holding one am I would I need my hands I need my I need my did you cut at the shoulders damn it now we're gonna take the shoulders too huh I bet you're wondering how I ended up like this take the tongue um in Virginia a slave caught stealing a pig was punished by nailing his ears to a pillory post now think about that logistically because they couldn't do it together so they did one and then after a day or so is that it's just a post where they where they where they would put people to be punished okay so like a human bulletin board

sure uh and so they they nailed one in and then after a couple of days they undid that one and nailed the other one interesting yeah historian historian willing crone and wrote quote unlike other animals they were generally able to hold their own against wolves and bears so that they could be turned out into the woods for months at a time to fend for themselves almost as wild animals they required no attention until the fall slaughter when they could be recaptured butchered and used for winter and winter meat supplies so they could fight I'm not saying I want to see a bear and pig fight but I am very much saying that okay I'll say it I'll say it yeah I mean now I finally have a sport I'll watch you know what I mean yeah yeah not much better not much not much

worse than cage fighting TBS slapshine I just imagined Joe Rogan calling a pig bear fight oh my god Native Americans received worse oh wait uh so oh so so right so so immediately Native Americans started using pigs at first they were like what the fuck is this and then immediately like oh this is great they're easy uh to to care for and so they started having their own pigs but roaming pigs also disrupted the environment they would eat what other animals eat um they would eat with the Native Americans ate like Native Americans ate oysters and the pigs would go and eat all the oysters where are they getting oysters they're just stealing on the shore yeah they're just pigs on the shore oysters oh yeah pigs are very very you know they're very smart like they're

like the third smart I know they're really smart but I didn't know they were like let's have oysters smart yeah if you if you take a and I've done this if you take a pig down to port of Arda um they'll hit the oyster bar first thing you mean port of Arda it's a fine job too um so we're gonna ignore it uh it's so but they quickly came around to to raising any pigs and Native Americans now the Native Americans also got the worst punishment for pig theft sure of course and in Boston laws were written to prevent Native American pigs from doing damage to settlers crops quote for the prevent I thought you misspoke no the the so there's no

civic Native American pig laws yeah so there's no fences for you don't have to fence in your pigs anybody but if the Native Americans pigs that they owned got into the crops then they got a harsher punishment sure quote for the prevention of so great and evil ordered that no Indian shall be permitted to keep any hog or swine whatever within the town of Boston under the penalty of 20 shillings white people however could keep their pigs and just let them roam free but a Native American pig I had to be fenced in right what's a bad pig yeah of course that's this this all Boston tracks has yeah Boston is staying consistent that's the same thing yeah you hear this exact chant at a Bruins game today yeah so free pig is so in new Amsterdam pigs were part of

Dutch city life and a lot of arguments over pig theft and pig damages between people sure because there were so many pigs laws were written that you had to fence in your property to keep pigs out so uh-huh so it's so you you were building you're gonna build a wall to keep all these things out of your yard right yeah so you're it's like a reverse it's like a reverse of today where today you fence in the animals but then you fence the animals out you had to fence them out and if they went into your crops they're like well you don't have a fence up so you fucked you fucked up on Staten Island members of the Raritan tribe were accused of stealing pigs from a colonist so the Dutch the Dutch sent soldiers to their village and killed several of the tribe and

then the Raritan struck back and they keep going back and forth until they sent the Dutch set a bunch of men down and massacred 120 women children and men of the village um then they learned that the the Dutch colonists had had stolen the pigs not the oh okay well there you go uh whoops yeah whoopsie this is okay this was known as Keith's war water kieft kieft okay water van twiller became the director of the Dutch colony uh he sorry sorry sorry sir sir sir wouter van twiller sir wouter just wanted to make sure it had its moment to shine because it deserved uh he becomes the director of the Dutch colony and he became very rich because he just kept establishing farms in 1637 he bought an island from the Lenape

and used it to breed pigs and he named it hog island today it is known today it is known as Roosevelt Island right off man can we go back already what's come on it was full of pigs it was a pig island yeah let's go for years it was just a pig island yeah amazing well you're about to learn there's gonna be a lot of pig islands fort Amsterdam was being built in 1625 but in 1650 an ordinance had to be passed forbidding animals from running free in the city because they were uh harming the infrastructure quote the decaying fortress formally in fair condition has mostly been trodden down by hogs and goats so the they're they're it's not Godzilla I mean so these like by what by just like trotting around and just they root they dig their diggers they're

digging for stuff digging up the city I am that's all I can think about I don't know what else they would do you gotta make if your city's not goat proof you ain't a city although animals peeing on stuff like that can't be good for the wood everyone's peeing on everything wow I peed in a mall parking lot the other day in 1657 a new law ban people from throwing trash ashes oyster shells or dead animals in the street to be eaten by roaming pigs so everyone everyone just ignored it okay I was gonna say but they but their litter ordinance was based on the fact that pigs would eat it not like come on it's gross I think it was both I think that you we should let pigs roam New York again there's so much trash yeah no that might be a thing we could go back to I think what

they're saying is don't quit being so lazy with your trash put it in the trash heap as opposed to like don't throw out in the street for the throw it on the street yeah right um anyway everyone just ignored it so in six 1653 a defensive wall was built during construction the director had the had to tell all the owners to keep their pigs away from the construction because they were causing too much damage while the men were working so while they're building a wall to keep the pigs out the pigs are coming no building a wall to keep enemies out oh okay but the pigs are still coming there sure pigs are just pigs are fucking up the construction like you're trying to hammer a post in and there's a pig hanging out rude nine years later nine years later the british would take over

and demolish that wall and that street that ran beside the wall uh was named wall street whoa yeah well can we all just take we all just take a minute take a second suck it in so that's the northern most suck it in that's the northern most part sir sir sir suck it in is not a term for soaking it in it is that's what suck it in that's what they say in college when they when they say a really important fact suck it in kids all right everybody suck that in that's not what a that's exactly what they say stop talking i can tell you there are for sure professors that they suck it in yikes uh under english rule there was a lot of pig legislation in 1683 a law was passed that gave anyone who found a loose pig the right to kill or capture it so they're getting a little

tired they're getting a little tired of the loose pigs right so they're like let's try to reel this in a bit and if you if you grab one then it's yours it's yours you can right yeah do to quote the daily experience that swine are creatures that occasion trouble and difference among neighbors and rather prejudicial than beneficial to the province while they have liberty to run at random in the woods or towns so they're causing problems they're making people people getting mad because like your pig did this right your pig ate my Volvo tire the pig apple right pig apple you were thinking a while a while about that one you know there are multiple plates spinning during the we all have stuff going on during this show sure i'm not going to walk you through my process i get it

i get it it's just kind of a non sequitur a little bit it came it came late are we even talking about new york anymore yeah we are okay thank god but people aren't happy with the law they're like that law is bullshit two years later it was reversed because it quote was quote of ill consequence to the inhabitants of the province so people were like everyone's taking our pigs and eating them like i was gonna say it's not an easy way to be like well what are you picking out of your yard i ate it well here's the thing but there is no yard no one has yards to keep their pigs in so you're essentially just it's okay it's a lot of chaos yeah so where are the pigs being housed where are they they're not housed garret they're just out pig but

if you have a pig nobody has a pig everybody has pigs so the only way to identify is the notches or or like a maybe a brand or something but there's the but it's a mark on the pig literally are just it is walking around free roaming free roaming free roaming free roaming pig i'm starting to understand a little more of why this is so damaging so you just you just been trying to walk to your plant you be like god damn these pigs yeah there's pigs there's any pigs on the street move you sons up they're digging yeah uh so so this these kind of late a bunch of pigs were there was just there's some we're all late because of the pigs it's an absolute nightmare that's why they call it the pig apple ah come on that took too long um so these kind of laws are all over the colonies

uh back and forth people trying to stop pigs and um but we're gonna focus mainly on new york as as we discussed in episode 167 new york was filthy about 5000 people are living there at this time the streets are disgusting people left dead animals and emptied their chamber pots on the street um creeks and ponds are super polluted and uh with animal waste and people waste so mosquitoes love it and they're braiding like crazy um in 1702 that leads to yellow any quite a picture okay 12 of the city dies no one really knows when some began to view uh hogs as a public nuisance but there were city government discussions of stopping pigs from roaming around starting in like 1736 okay but nothing comes of it okay like people like we got a the pig thing is really

yeah what else is like no i like the pig i like the pig oh there are people who are like that the city is without pigs the city is nothing yeah well there's still there's still really important to survive on like it's 1736 so a bad winter comes in your fuck so it's still good to have pigs sure at the end of the 18th century letting pigs roam free was banned in new york okay but everyone so now i was gonna say what are you yeah it's a huge change they just they just made the law but they there's no cops they have no way to enforce it so there's pigs but no pigs that's correct okay they're still all over they're eating garbage uh they they hurt people sometimes they're i don't i i'm gonna be honest i don't think there's a thing you can say that'll turn me on pigs

there's a lot of documented cases of pigs killing children in the city i'm again i'm not i'm nobody is here for the death of children but i'm like they're cute little piggies let's let them go oh in the early 1800s new york's population explodes it goes from like 60 000 in 1800 to like 200 000 in 1820 so it's just this massive influx farmland turns into tenements and shops and factories right it's quickly urbanized the pigs are still there they eat the garbage uh and so they're food they're important they're super important commodity yeah but they had to live somewhere and the farmland is just quickly vanishing so now pigs are living in the street okay no problem for the pigs the pigs are like this is fine

hey we'll deal with it it's a lot of trash this is pretty cool it's just it's just my I just killed the baby i had a lot of fun i killed two babies earlier i love the city how great is this place it's great i love the mud i love that look someone just threw shit on us oh my god what did i do to deserve this this is the life so pigs and garbage so there's garbage everywhere there's no trash service how good is trash the trash service in the city is the pigs we should just go back to it they eat rotting piles of food and refuse uh the streets are basically like pig troughs but that that just meant more pigs so the more people to come the more garbage there is the more pigs there are sure even in fancy neighborhoods there's pigs eating garbage sure a famous a

famous swedish painter came a picture it's so fun to picture pigs everywhere just eating garbage yeah a famous swedish painter comes to america and he paints the street the john asters house is on john asters the richest man in america and there are just pigs in front of his house they're just running wine eating trash the wealthy now want something done about the pigs we're tired of the pigs being everywhere so because new york's population is exploding the the city's becoming more crowded so the more wealthy are moving to the outskirts where more pigs are roaming because there's more roaming room right so uh so the in 1809 the city passed a law to fine owners of unringed pigs in the streets so that's a pig a pig that doesn't have a ring through its snout uh-huh

uh-huh like a pirate pig sure a pig that didn't have the ring because pigs without rings would root up cobblestones oh so the ring was a deterrent for the pig to root yeah so it stops the pig from rooting in ruining the street right so now you get fined if your pig doesn't have a ring but at the same time i know if you when we had started this episode if you told me that would be said and i would understand what you meant i'd have been like well this is going to be wild so okay but when they wrote the law they said pigs in the streets so the law also seems to have stated that having pigs fenced in on a street is fine so it was like you can fence in your pigs on a street right okay right so it kind of did the two things anyway no one did anything

again i mean i think some people probably put the rings in but it must as just being ignored they're passing laws and everyone's like yeah all right all right that's cool we will not change our behavior so because all these uh immigrants are coming in the rich are attacking the poor in the new york times had an article where described quote shanties in which the pigs and the patricks lie down together while the little ones of Celtic and swinish origin lie miscellanously with billy goats here and they're interspersed so the as they're saying you will find shanties where the irish are laying with pigs and the kids are goat children they're laying with goats yeah the all they're saying the immigrants literally have animals

in their house sounds right yeah they live with the pig yeah yeah the pig room or sounds like the benches of insurance well yeah that's why my mother still has pigs no i know they come in and out it's just fine so there's a sudden uptick in newspaper articles against pigs in 1816 now what i find hilarious is the pigs don't know that the press is coming after them they're like here's some good trash there's some good garbage here all right so good so they're trying to define them as a public nuisance the evening post quote the herds of hogs that infest our streets have increased so much under the protection afforded them some make a business of breeding them it is said that when they become

diseased from high feeding on dead cats and vermin they soon find their way to our butcher's stalls many people of my acquaintance would as soon taste a broiled rat as the finest roaster hey listen society that's tossing dead cats on the street this is a you problem you're the sick pigs i mean what are we to do the pigs are eating our dead piles of cats they're getting sick and then we're buying the bacon yeah so they're mad so this is a great example of rich people they're mad that the pigs are all over and eating the garbage which includes dead animals they're eating your garbage but they're also not creating a service that would take over for that problem yeah right they're just simply saying we need a fix it's brexit it's brexit pigs it

it the editorial noted that some said yellow fever had had not come to new york because the pigs were eating all the dead cats and flies so the editor is like admitting like well some people say that because the pigs are eating the dead cats we're not getting so yeah but that was probably towards the end of the article with a salacious headline war on pigs also i mean who are we going to get to eat the dead cats hey the editor also said in this article i read was that new york was the only city in america that was still allowing pigs to run free which wasn't true there were still other cities doing it pittsburgh especially but other cities were stopping doing it right yeah um it was faster so that same year 1816 a law was proposed proposed to forbid hogs

from just running around at large sure the law would let any free roaming hog to be taken by anyone to a pound public case sure so you can seize any pig you could be like that pig and then you take it to the pound the pig pound the pig pound where and then if the pig owner comes to get it it you have to pay the guy who kidnapped the pig ten dollars this is a great pig racket if you're a little shifty pig person and twelve cents twelve cents a day lodging to the pound so you could just go yank up i mean it's the same thing before about if you were just able to kill a pig that you're like hey it was roaming around so you could just go grab but i guess there's no your the pigs are just roaming yeah and and tie your that law is chaos like that law is just

you're pitting neighbor against neighbor like right this guy's gonna get money yeah but i think they're just trying to get people to fence their pigs in on the street sure well they should sure i mean in this situation the city should build fences that would be the solution but as always it's thrust upon the us the pig owners yes um the law finally passed after a couple failed attempts in october 1817 and people were pissed yeah um they signed petitions to get rid of it petitions yeah they had protests people said the pig was the best scavenger and a great street cleaner and cheap food for the poor getting rid of pigs would lead to higher taxes to pay for street cleaners and quote a swarm of informers to prey on the defenseless poor if i and which is true i'm sure

and if i had to move my car every thursday and friday from 10 to noon for pig sweeping way less of an issue way less of an issue yeah so it is it is an attack on the poor because yes because the pigs are doing the pigs are essentially a free cleaning service sure it's amazing and then their food i'm not i don't care where we head in this story i am so pro putting pigs back on the street yeah except the kid thing dave it's enough we get it you're okay we get it you're really sympathetic towards the kids come on wouldn't keep build the fence for your kid how about this keep a better eye on your kids okay uh so laborers mostly um mostly african-americans or irish immigrants had a very hard time finding jobs and they live on the edge of poverty at this time

and they make up the majority of pig owners so pigs are really like it's a survival thing like you're living on the edge if things fall apart if you get fired you still have a pig or several pigs working the wives would their wives would watch the pigs and take care of the pigs and then if the family needed to things got really bad they could sell a pig to a butcher sure or they could just kill it needed themselves but it gets or just go get some cats from the trash that are everywhere and just fry up one of them thank you thank you but it's really it's like you have an extra like savings account that's what a pig is yeah yeah you've got right you got yeah you've got your pig account freddy family a barrel of salt pork

was where food was stored in the house it was a measure of a family's socio-financial well-being did you hear how much pig they've got oh they're doing great you should see their barrel it's overflowing with pig from the novel at the time the chain bear quote i hold a family to be in a desperate way when the mother can see the bottom of the pork barrel did you hear they're in hard times they've seen the bottom of their pork barrel oh my let's hand around a tray and we can all put little pig fixings in it so people are mad and under pressure the hog law the kidnap take a hog law it's repealed the next year so the pot the like that they just get keep getting abused by the population until the politicians like okay okay no more pig lot okay but the

anti-pig forces aren't done papers are writing about the thing that i do love is that the pigs uh the pigs are just simply just have no clue that they are a polarizing force they're literally happy as a pig and shit the pigs yeah they're they're just like just cats good so papers start writing about pig assaults for sure yeah right you gotta heighten the crime much like yeah the fox news is doing with the homeless people it's yes the fucking same right the evening post described a situation on orchard street quote a man took a pig from a large sow and ran for his house the sow pursued him with her mouth open she came up with him and he was obliged to drop the pig a dog i think it says when she came up on i think she cornered him or got close enough to him

i think that's what that means okay a dog then fell upon the sow and the man took the pig and ran again so it's a team thing it's like a team this is the three stooges this i'm not sure what is happening right now the man took a pig a man is eating a pig's baby he's gonna take it home and eat it he picked it up oh he took the baby oh he took the okay got you and then the mama pig was like how dare you then he's cornered in an alley and the pigs like no you don't and then a dog the dog comes and jumps on the pig okay then a dog comes and jumps on the pig okay and then the guy picks the pig and runs again sure he made his escape into a gateway and shut the gate at that instance a four-year-old child was standing on the walk and the sow seized the child by the arm

and shook it violently as a terrier would a rat dropping the child in the gutter what okay i mean look okay you're clearly you you probably when you're putting this together you're like i know gary's gonna defend the pig so i'll throw in some pig piganda to get but what is the four year a four-year-old just roaming come on you're asking you're asking for a pig lash no this isn't the kid you are asking to get pig whipped you are this is not the kid's fault the kid is the kid is there's no part of this that's the kid's the kid is an innocent pig standard i'm not going to look i'm let me just say this because i want to get ahead of the headlines i'm not saying this kid should have been did the kid pass away no but was very hurt

okay so first of all a group a group then chased the pig off and it was reported the child had a broken and dangling arm well yeah that's a bad break and i look and that sucks and that sucks and nobody and i just speak for everybody on my team when i say no nobody wants this to happen we just we don't want this to happen we're really sorry that that kid's arm got dangle broken but this pig was merely trying to defend that it's child and that was what what the hold on asshole what the mother felt what the mother felt when the four-year-old was whipped by the pig is very similar to what the pig was going through with its own child at the time and i think this is a story of mothers and this is a story of love for your child the guy person here is the guy who

took the sow he's the ass so you think if someone kidnaps a kid you can harm another kid um at first blush no that's not what i'm saying but is that you think that falls in line with what i'm saying yeah that's pretty if so that is a problem with my argument but i feel i feel good about what i'm saying you would feel a lot better if the kid was the son of the guy who stole the pig but that's not the case i know that's not what i'm saying i'm saying the a mother a mother's child deserves to be okay whether that child sow or whether that child human okay another article quote near washington market a large sow took a lady on her back and carried her about six yards then she threw her rider into the mud and left her so what so yeah okay i'm sorry you got i mean look

we are talking about how we clean up our trash ladies and gentlemen you are gonna get pig pushed every now and then watch your back that's what i'd say watch your back uh so the papers are clearly making a point that the pigs are dangerous they're a menace um right they're making the argument of the wealthy so the wealthy want the pigs gone at this point um and those who wanted to keep the pigs define it as a class struggle they said getting getting rid of free running pigs would make the city unlivable for the poor yeah ending it as a city that both the rich and poor could live in pigs were these social safety net for many families and banding pigs would result in a city of quote dandies and nice ladies okay i think let's just leave that one there um i'm not sure

it's the working class against the elites it's the working class against elites that's what that is right it's like oh you want it all fancy people huh you want a bunch of fresh boys and and dumb ladies in nice dresses yeah i mean honestly i'm like kind of yeah is that crazy you want a sore boy a pretty lady city i get i get pigs and and pretty ladies and and no no pigs if there's no pigs then there's pretty ladies and and nice but no pigs okay well you know me i'm gonna go whichever way the pig winds blowing so yeah nope not for me i don't want that give me the pig pig life the anti-pig factions called pigs quote walking sewers but they're the opposite of that garbage gobbling self-sufficient protein creators that cause nothing to raise and of course they're

the only sanitation system so in july 1918 two men petitioned for relief so to the city i guess petitioned for relief when they were injured after their carriage overturned because of pigs so pigs would often driving i mean okay sure yeah so some pigs got under your horse whatever yeah pigs would commonly run run under horses and carriages sure and and take them down i can i can i can see it sure so the council again introduced a law to ban hogs in the streets but they couldn't even get this one a vote the blowback was so big they just they voted down they're like we can't people like what are you come on we just did this now the well off are also upset by the public pig fucking that is going on Dave please this is not okay where i don't want

i mean we're talking pig on pig yeah pig on pig okay thank god yeah so so there are just just pig rail sessions going on in public i mean if there's a i assume i assume pigs get in heat i assume so one of pigs in heat it's probably just you know madness look at a bang and there's this and they right yeah right yeah right yeah uh and but this is not again this in no way is getting me off of what i that that to me a feature not a bug yeah i agree with you on that one just to be i mean if you were just in a bar having like some like sliders and a couple beers and you just look across the street and you're just watching some pig go to town on a lady break a great let's go come on yeah let's talk 100% let's go and you can teach your kid the kids like daddy what's he doing and

you're like i should do your mom that uh that that pig that pigs penis is going in that other pigs vagina what looks like an absolute act of abuse because of the squealing is actually a lovely moment between two consenting pigs yeah beautiful isn't it i mean you didn't have to shoot it under nipples i guess uh the mayor in 19 in 1818 who was named cod wallotter colden it's i'm good we can just move on said quote our wives and daughters cannot walk abroad through the streets of the city without encountering the most disgusting spectacles of these animals indulging the 16 propensities of nature they commit all sorts of indecencies 16 what does that even mean

i don't he's saying i for sure he's saying they're fucking but what are the yeah what are the other 15 that pigs going down on that pig pig comma sutra he's talking about ham a sutra yeah wow he's 16 16 pig positions you got any style i mean it must mean it must have a meaning right it must have it must be some sort of uh some right now someone's yelling at their they're doing 60 swine 16 propensities of nature if you if you put that in it does not come up anywhere so mayor colden decided to impanel a grand jury i've seen pigs fucking 16 different positions in his ruin in my life i don't want to see pigs go there this this this gets in our much bigger yard look at him does anyone know did you know that the male pig penis is as curly as its tail

before erect sir yes this is a sir this is a bank oh um withdrawal yes bring the pig over he wants to withdraw sorry i just had a hell of a day on my walk here i just watched so many different pigs in so many different positions surely everybody in line behind me was getting a little sick of me yeah i'll do my business in a minute but it's just sick of all the positions the pigs are doing it in sir go you should go down to the pub they they talk about the only one who's seen a lady pig second man pigs dick okay she's crazy we're gonna have to close the window now you shouldn't have to open it i'm the mayor can i point that out for a second i'm in charge this was so crazy this okay pig with she blew the pig we hear you okay she's want to make sure everyone knows the pigs

we know we all know she's doing a bunch of different positions so the pig the what lady pig was on her back and the man pig had lifted a pig legs up towards a pig head okay he's just pig plowder sir thank you yeah okay just so ah i forgot my checks no i don't know i thought i was i thought i was in a town hall i don't i've been having these headaches and blackouts lately okay so bad yeah so mayor calden decided to impanel a grand jury to hear evidence on the keeping of pigs in the city and the grand jury ends up indicting two men for misdemeanor of keeping and permitting to run hogs at large so letting hogs just run around there sure the first man is uh lewis leshine and he has 40 hogs

fenced in on the street uh he he makes no defense and was convicted by a jury uh the game of small fine okay but the second guy is a butcher uh christian harriott and he hires attorneys he was charged with owning sorry what's the case he's charged with owning pigs who are sometimes found roaming the streets sure so the prosecutor tells stories about pigs attacking kids boys getting hurt by riding pigs love this just love now i want the pig now one one second you're like there's too many pigs the next second you're like what boys are riding pigs around i'm 100% back on board love that by the way i've never wanted them out but i also love the like grisha maternity who just gets up and it's just like children being killed okay boys riding the pigs

carriages being tumbled women being knocked over women having to watch them being fully dislocated fornication of 16 different varieties in front of our society all because of our cat piles and trash and poop the best one hog shitting on people there's also of course the story of hog shitting on people there's shitting all over men and shitting all over women who in this jury not at a hog shit on them but then there was actually hog shit on me last saturday when i was my child my son's my son's birthday party in a hog just just splatter shat all over me sir the occasion the judge like sir let's go sir i mean pigs you know the pigs ass is if you've seen a pig shit bill burr had a great i don't know if he ever did on an album but he had a great bit about

going to a pig farm and watching a pig shit over another pig so they when they shit sometimes it's like a fucking blast so they're just squirting on people just like north korean poops well you know i did this i did this uh thing i was in um i forget where i was in like seattle this is like two years ago or something and i was doing shows and on the saturday had a full day and i was like trying to find some stuff to do and this guy goes i know this these people at this farm i was like let's go so i i got a camera got like two cameras or whatever went down to this farm and um one of the things was feed this pig and so i'm feeding this pig this pig had like l.a looks gelled hair basically it had like spiky like uh and so i was um feeding this pig and just hanging out with this pig and

this pig was great and all that stuff and then i just when i was like pretty much finishing up i was like just being a i was being a ham and i'm like you know oh yeah i'm feeding the pig and the pig just without wasn't trying to bite me you must remember when this happened but the pig did bite me yeah and the bite it's scarred the bite was so deep yeah that when i lifted it back i could see bone before the blood started rushing out yeah and um and then i had to be like heavy antibiotics yeah and um because i guess there's some worry about whatever animal there's a pig garrots whatever so these rapid care doctors they're all in there like yeah let me tell you why you gotta take a strong dose of antibiotics and i'm like let me just live as a pig human hybrid

please and um and yeah and it was a very and when i flew my hand exploded and looked much like a hoof um and i still still fine with the pigs so sure um so that's the prosecution's argument okay the you know he just i mean i i'm you kind of lost me with pig shitting on people i might be out then but so so harriet the butcher's lawyer harry the butcher's lawyer um gets up and argues pigeons poop on people all the time they're still in cities i know i know um so they argue keeping pigs is not a public nuisance because it's been the social norm forever and that labeling them as such is elites attacking the life of the poor yes quote the dandies who are too delicate to endure the site or even the idea of so odious a

creature might exult but many poor families might experience far different sensations and be driven to beggary or to the almshouse right and he's right if some of these families don't have pigs and they can't work else can they keep them if they don't have pigs then you know bad winter comes along and they dave let me ask you this dave um we've all been rained on in the streets when we were wanted when we didn't want to did we stop letting nature water our crops no no that's the only one i have but that's pretty good thanks for getting i was into it yeah uh so it's it's a very like this is a good argument it but it's a social argument it's i guess i guess they're making the same thing a social argument about pigs it's it's it's defined as class right

it's it's it's a total class sort of thing um basically he's saying if my client is convicted the poor of the city are going to suffer and then the mayor gets up and tells the jury about i saw a pig suck another pig's dick no that's he doesn't do that it was crazy and i'm not gonna let it happen again here's my drawings there was this one pig laying on stomach and its legs were all laid out and the other pig was going in its butt but it went in his butt we gotta stop this so what he does is he stands up and he describes his fantasy pigless city he paints the picture of a city without pigs

and harriet was convicted wow but the goal wasn't to crush harriet so the goal was to set a precedent that this is a legal precedent right so they only find him a dollar um but now keeping pigs on the street is a crime yeah it's a crime and the mayor and officials assume that the pigs would now be taken off the street but there's an estimated 20 000 pigs roaming about my god so no one's no one moves their pigs sure they they assume this would change everything um everyone just ignores the i like this time when laws were passed and then that would nobody listen well there's no cops right great pigs are are their garbage scavengers that's the main reason that they were just free

roaming um and then you know like we said there's no garbage disposal system there's no official thing to clean up garbage right um so all new yorkers are just like no this is what we're gonna do so they just keep can you imagine new york just covered in trash it would be crazy i can't i can't at all what a wild thing piles of garbage bags but city officials start rounding up pigs in 1821 they're like this is illegal we're gonna get so they start rounding them up but they're met by a mob of women women from the book gotham which is a history book quote quote when pig owning irish and african-american women discovered city officials ceasing their property they mobilized hundreds and forcibly liberated the animals wow so again as i said

before women take care of the pigs because the men are working and they know and again we know if they don't have a lot of pork in the barrel that means you're not doing well and so they see these pigs so they just free the pigs because they're like you can't just like take our security right you're talking about they have children the they know that if if things get bad and they don't have a pig their kids could starve they're gonna go get their fucking pigs back so they try and mob them get their pigs the the poor ones are the ones blocking reform more specifically uh women poor sure um and they were the ones making sure there were enough pigs and that they should be roaming and fattening up and doing all that right so the battle line between rich and poor at this time

in new york is over pigs mostly it's class conflict uh and the battle is the battles keep repeating in 1825 in 1826 in 1830 and in 1832 they tried to seize pigs it led to riots of women and they fought to get their pigs back from confiscation and each and every single time they rioted and got their pigs back it's so great just great and then the first thing the pigs do is just bang each other the first thing the pigs do is just bang and then just rock and poop and then she hit on them yeah yeah so the wealthy um created special parks with fences to keep out pigs and pig for some other animals like all animals but mostly pigs great so they can have a nice place to stroll without being bothered and also away from the smell sure and so there there's a

park explosion at this time as neighborhoods are cleared for parks so the wealthy can have a place free of the pigs in the stench so we're really big because it's a place where they the rich could go without pigs yeah without being bothered and yeah okay so real estate prices go up around the parks because everyone wants to live near a park which leads to gentrification wow so it creates pro park and anti park factions but based on based on the pig factions like it's wow so so pigs are real estate i mean essentially like pigs are zoning yes now for the most part um the big riders of the time don't really bring up pigs it would be like bringing up a sidewalk or something you just don't really talk about but they're they're very matter

fact you wouldn't you know be like and then there was a sidewalk and so like washington Irving did write of wealthy citizens sitting in their yards listening to the grunting of swine wow so you just sit in your front newspaper yeah right but in 1842 Charles Dickens comes to America and writes a book called american notes and he wrote about the pigs it's a great and yeah um and americans and especially wealthy new yorkers are very embarrassed by this from american notes quote every pig knows where he lives much better than anybody could tell him at this hour just as evening is closing in you will see them roaming towards bed by scores eating their way to the last wow so they all go back to their little homes where they sleep yeah yeah and people i think that's adorable

but new yorkers like new york's leaders and the real estate developers and the wealthy are worried roaming pigs harm tourism and discourage investments like they're like you idiots if you tell me there's a town where i can go and i can watch pigs eat dead cats in trash are you kidding me disneyland could go fuck itself i'm going to pig town yeah without question yeah it's funny there's a lot of us there is do not do not think that we are sick of living in the shadows i know know let the pig people out yes let us roam so the reason dickens read about this is is when europeans at this time when they think of america they they envision two things native americans because it's like a previously unknown people and there's all these right stories about them

and they're fighting like what all the you know all the lore um and then um the other thing they think of is pigs and cities wow any thought of american cities first conscious of visions of pigs running about that's what europeans think great they're they're now europeans had had their pig time there have been pigs in in uh in paris at one point so much so that that that like pig meat was just dirt cheap there'd been pigs in napoli like but because they were cleaners but then they moved on so now americans are like behind but americans adopted the method individual responsibility to dispose of waste um so but we're behind right yeah mostly new york that's like healthcare more than anywhere else yeah yeah which yeah that's going great other american cities do use pigs

um Cincinnati was the main pork packing center in america and pigs are all over the streets there in 1835 it was nicknamed pork operas great and by the way i'm ready to build a new town and a new city called pork operas pork operas that name should have never gone away for Cincinnati absolutely true dave could not be more true albany new york didn't stop running uh pigs running loose until 1854 uh in dc people still dump their garbage in the street and pigs rats and cockroaches were all over the place but in new york new york is the one city where pigs went on for longer they it just kept other cities stopped it but pigs just kept right so they're eating the garbage like i've said a million times quote as late as 1840s thousands of pigs roamed a wall street

consuming garbage even in wealthy neighborhoods still still an accurate statement except for when they would eat the wall streeters even many in many wealthy neighborhoods that's all they had for sanitation um but they also like we said they spooked horses they caused accidents they knock over pedestrians they attack kids they block traffic they're destroying the street we get it they bang they rock a poop and they're shitting on people they're having sex in front of so they're they are they're it's a problem um tour guidebooks tour guidebooks start writing to people visiting new york about how to avoid the pigs so in your guidebook it's like and here's where you avoid the pigs just never have you back to anything so cholera hits new york in 1849 and a lot of

people die okay and then hogs become a target of sanitation reformists now sanitation reformists are kind of new on the scene and we this is what we talked about in episode 167 did you turn on something that's like a fan or something my computer is fanning out oh okay um so uh so they they're kind of big and new on the scene and that combined with the city finally created a police force in 1845 it gives the then the ability to now enforce bans on pigs so this leads to a hog drive of them pushing all the pigs uptown wow so they're overcoming sometimes violent resistance by impoverished owners the police flushed 6 000 pigs out of cellars and garrets and drove an estimated 20 000 swine north to the upper wards that summer so they are just kind of

pushing the pigs out how do they do that they just are like well i think they just you just you just bring like a a a billy club or whatever you just get them like you hurt them you're hurting pushing the pigs forward yeah um and you probably close off the streets to get them to go all the way up right um so yeah and also if you know sorry i said sellers so some people had pigs living in their rooms and tenements right yeah the cool kids um so they keep the pig drives up in the following years their bone boiling works that had rotting carcasses piled up in their yards are banned in lower Manhattan so you can't have a bone boiling work uh where you boiled the pig bones uh because they just have carcasses rotting so they're like that we shouldn't have that anymore

we shouldn't have the giant pile of rotting pig carcasses pig carcasses right and such a park was built uh which is now a huge no pig area right all right it's a park uh so that drives up real estate around the park so pigs are pushed north okay now there is a on the west side there is a bunch of pig farms on the on the water and in 1859 a new city inspector is brought in and he goes after the pigs in what becomes known as the pigory war you okay you don't seem okay i'm tired i'm tired i've been through a lot and and now you're just kind of bringing in it's not great and it's not easy to be this has been a tough one so now we're fighting the pigory war the city banned pig farms south of 86

street so troops of inspectors and cops go to the pig farms which are between 50th and 59th street it's called hogtown that area and they told the owners you have three days to get rid of anything associated with pig raising and then they came back three days later with guns and clubs and all the tools needed to dismantle pig sheds and pig pens uh and they dismantled they dismantled hogtown they're just they've taken away hogtown the papers have said this is going to lead to war like they really thought it was going to be a giant battle but um there was no resistance and hogtown was gone wow so pigs are now above 86 street mostly in like shanty towns and like sleepy little hamlet places so during the 50s and 60s people are getting very concerned with city filth

it might be the biggest might be the biggest concern new yorkers have at this point um claudia alonso uh quote hundreds of tons of animal and human waste and hundreds of rotting animals were left to decay in the street unattended yes there's no so but so they had no plan they had no plan for the main trash eater replacement well remember it's tamany hall and tamany hall is corrupt as shit so the city government is putting people in places where they could get things done who are completely inept if you can imagine a government putting people in positions where they are unqualified and they do nothing if you can imagine that in new york so so that's what's going on that's why i don't think anything's um being done about you know these corpses but then

there's a collar you would think you would think that if you were like a citizen you would i mean again but it's like it's obviously there's nothing every it's all uh vacant seats for the most part but you would think you'd be like yeah okay so we get rid of them and then what but people like oh good finally yeah and then it's like you have trash piles of dead animals poop everywhere so so there's a cholera panic in 1866 and then a board of health is created so now you have cops at a board of health right um roundups so there's still roaming pigs around like you can't you they couldn't get rid of it all sure um but they so they're still rounding up pigs every once in a while um harper's weekly had illustrations of pigs still living in the streets at this time but they start clearing them

out sort of ward by ward like okay this area we get rid of the pigs this area so meanwhile uptown pigs are just fucking thriving uptown pigs okay immigrants fleeing slums mostly Irish and German lived in Harlem um that's basically the suburbs more like almost like rural at this point quote many raised their animals for local markets geese cows horses goats and such a profusion of hogs that the area around 125th street became known as pigs alley pigs alley pork optics so between 1881 and 1880 millions are migrating to the US and New York's tendiments are overflowing entire families are living in a room in the old country they had fed garbage to pigs who ate it and then they would sell the pigs they eat the pigs and they'd sell the bones and there's a fine system like some of us

have been saying and then they also made piglets so you could keep the whole cycle going yeah so they're good business so they come here and they want pigs and there's a photo taken uh for Manhattan's tenement house department in 1902 that shows a young pig in a basement a historian quote what you don't see is that the other half of the basement is a bakery so so so they're just kind of they like pigs are just basement pigs yeah they're just around they're in they're in tenements and basements and well yeah you're taking them somewhere it might have rats so you'd be like this place has pigs you're taking the safety net off the street it doesn't mean they're not going to use the fucking safety net they need to survive yeah right um so

the poor the poor the person the more likely they're there were pigs and foul inside um where they lived they consider it they're right it's they're right so pigs were pretty much tolerated until the last decades of the 19th century um when uh evidence of cases in which the poor house pigs in the rooms of their tenements uh until they were eggs out to the countryside so it did it in New York it lasted a lot longer but then it started a big reason pigs lasted longer in New York is because the Board of Health was incredibly corrupt like I said and they used patronage placement you know to to give people occupations with Tammany Hall so but then are they just kind of going to house they're just going to houses trying to like figure

out if there's pigs there no they stop they don't care if the pigs are inside they don't care okay they just don't have inside pigs okay they're always they boy the pigs were always a nuisance and a public safety issue but and they added to water pollution but um New Yorkers lived with it until an efficient garbage collection service was in place so this is when they come in um and they set up George Waring who was in from episode 167 comes in and they set up remember the guys in the white outfits and they're all cleaning so this is when that happens and that's when pigs go away okay so as much as it was a safety uh a social safety net at the end of the day they vanished in the city when everything got cleaner because

right really people didn't want to live with garbage everywhere yeah like um yeah so that's I mean that's so outside of the Americas it happened the same way before there was sewage disposal um worldwide cities had pigs that were like sanitation services yeah and then once once they they learned how to clean it up then the pigs went away so that's what happened in New York it just happened a lot later because of corruption and also the probably the mass migration of immigrants that kept coming in and because it's a great system it's a great system so that's the story of pigs in New York City it's crazy it's so I would just yeah it's I just that to me is such a it's a it's a great solution it's nature it's nature

and if I could and I know that it sounds I know that like of course yeah you're gonna hear the stories the other kid got ripped or whatever I just would love to go to a city where pigs roam the streets yeah I tell you got shit on it then you'd be like also you were bit by a pig but I I was bitten by a pig and I'm still super pro pig yeah but the the part where you had to say antibiotics and you know worry about losing your hand was it was a weird five days for sure I'm telling you the craziest part was when I flew and my hand like Mickey Mouse and became like a balloon hand and I was just on the plane just looking down at my hand like well that's not good yeah pig hand yeah and I part of me was like well I yeah would I become pig man yeah just sort

of you know at night roaming the streets and then like people being like what are you looking for a pig man I'll be like trash trash look trash I need some trash and people like well we actually there's like a kidnapper of it yeah that for me uh-oh look out does I like poop on them well crazy what a crazy little we we replaced that with factory farming and that's that couldn't be worse for oh when you talk about the quality of life for pigs yeah there is not I'm not sure if there is a it's not just the quality of life for pigs it's it's us it's oh yeah for sure it's that's where they all that's where the swine the the pig flu's the bird flu's get into you know and then you're in trouble like that that's why the factory farming with birds that's what led to the

bird flu like it's all the destruction of the destruction of land yeah it's terrible for the animals the structure of water hormones that are injected into them it's all everything about it is bad like yeah there most countries will not take american meat right that's why that's one of the things where brexit is people like god we're gonna have to meet it you're gonna allow american meat in people don't want it it's horrifying and they did yeah they're like we don't want to aw snick me crazy what a crazy crazy yeah I just I like when you watch when you watch like gangs in New York or things like that like yes there are pigs or you know you see pigs but you never think of it yeah it's a it's on a much it's a much greater scale full 20 000 pigs yeah

yeah there is one pig friend and just put a hundred thousand more pigs on the street oh yeah there was one pig for every five people and in Manhattan oh my god that's a beach boy song right yeah yeah it is that's really good um okay well uh well there you go there's uh yeah there you go there you go this is this is your first episode this is what we do here it is what it is this is the show so I don't know what you want it's free so big screw you wow by the way did I call it or did I call it we'll be right back that's a good ending sources for this episode Henrik Hartog 899 pigs and positive is positivism Enrique Alonso and Anna Riccarte pigs in New York City a study on 19th century urban sanitation the Austin Chronicle a small farms dot Cornell the brief

history of the pig in the United States uh I take history the hogs of New York and qz courts the hogs that created America's first urban working class by Gwynn Gifford okay this is add two oh man you're about to have a lot of fun listening to the dollop hey before you do let me tell you about some dates where I Gareth Reynolds will be doing some stand up on the road please join me Garmy that's the Gareth army everyone is using that it's not up to me it's just caught fire check out the hashtag I will be in Los Angeles California May 5th at the dynasty typewriter Phoenix Arizona May 18th at stand up live then July it's gonna be crazy calling on the Garmy

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