The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds - 581 - Jerry Springer

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine Jerry Springer Sources Tour Dates Redbubble Merch   Research by Rivers Langley

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Yeah, it's Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about Don't you want to do your little thing where you talk about all the things you are like you're a panty sniffer shoe eater Toad liquor that sort of shit. Those are none of the things that I've ever said I was No, because you're mean, so I'm not gonna do that because I mean person Okay, all right. You can play the victim now. I'm just trying to survive Every day. I'm just trying to get through this

You know my mental health is what we're talking about here. Wow, this is really taking some crazy turns This podcast is a lot like how it was when I was bullied in the fifth grade Why were you bullied in the fifth grade, buddy? Because Mark Green told a lie and said that I Narked on him and I didn't what did he say you narked on him about buddy something about the it was totally stupid It was something about you know the heat he like kicked a ball over a fence at recess or something like dumb. Did he do that? Yeah, but I didn't tell anybody Interesting that you remember that he did that though

So you're on Mark Green side I'm not on anyone's side, but I just No, you don't do it like that you don't get to do that Simply not how it works cut to the music And called it quote is jam-packed I'm the fucking hippo guy. Okay. My name's Gary. Let it's good. Wait. Is it far fine? And this is not gonna come particularly quite good Okay I'm a five-part coefficient

Now hit him with the puppy you both present sick arguments Actually No, I see that my friend Dave we're gonna be on tour shut your mouth We will be go to dollop podcast calm for all ticket information will be at San Jose July 26 San Francisco July 28th Sacramento July 30th August 1st will be in Boise Salt Lake City August 3rd Boulder August 5th Denver August 6th Las Vegas August 9th Phoenix August 10th and San Diego August 12th dolloppodcast.com for that ticket information and Dave like it or not I'm doing a show in Los Angeles this Friday May 5th

I will be at the dynasty typewriter at 7 30 p.m. That's this Friday Los Angeles And then I'm also gonna be in Austin, Texas May 12th and May 13th at Cap City Comedy And then I'll be in Phoenix, Arizona at stand-up live May 18th You can go to gareth Reynolds comm for all those tickets and links and then in July. I'm going everywhere So go to my website and have a look see everywhere. Yep the Bahamas I Need to clear by something people often say you need to buy bookshelves I

Do and no I do okay, and the books behind me are on a shelf Yeah, they are stacked They're not stacked on my floor from the floor up to the ceiling because books. I don't think you can stack books like that You could play a little jenga over you could play a little jenga sure so I don't have to there It's an actual shelf sure those are shelves. They're just not there. There's two of them side by side. I've seen them Yeah So and then below them is a floor of books where people can't see Right. I have a floor of books a bed of books

It's called the floorbury. You've got some stop it You've got some books stapled to the wall which I found weird and then you've got a lot of magazine cutouts It's a Julia Roberts all over one of your walls and they're stapled and glued to the wall And it's okay to like celebrities. Yeah, no, I know. It's just that you circle their face and red marker a bunch is weird Speaking of celebrities Gareth mm-hmm August 7th 1939 year of our Lord

J town what's up kids you want to get in the bus and we're gonna take a ride to the church You bored with life looking for a crucifix What's up kids yeah, but by the way, I think it's I think it's time to stop it for sure No, people love J town the kid we have converted so many so many of the younger people to Jesus Christ Through J town you think we're letting her know that Jesus Mm-hmm is also hip and he's rad and he knows how to he knows how to do tricks on skateboards. Mm-hmm

Hey, okay, you know His best trick on the skateboard is the Ali Luya Hello People love that one stuck the landing like J town would have Richard and a Margo Springer escaped a Lanzas Burg a Germany with their lives just day 24 days before Hitler invaded Poland kicking off World War two Okay The springers were never heard from never heard from their rest of their family again because

Many of them were lost As they were Jewish exterminated at Auschwitz and other concentration camps sure the fun start It always starts with with people dying. There's always family members that died This one's yeah, this yeah, it's sadder. I think yeah, but it's not I mean, you know Is it that a bunch of kids the children the children do a lot of children usually I don't think we're I don't think it's Let's just get through this My comedic compass is saying just plow through that's my gear says it's better the springers arrived in London two days

Later having been sponsored by a cousin. That's what you had to do. You had to get a sponsor Um, I'm very Richard Margo. Okay. Yeah Okay, I'm interested as to where this one's going a little bit, but okay and Richard and Margo moved into a small flat in the suburb of Henden, which of course, you know because you're from love a bit and done What are you doing I hit my head and I can't do Oh, so just carry me through this one. I love a bit and do I'll do Okay Are you looking to pay your rentie poo?

Epooh, I'm seeing a doctor in two weeks until then we just have to get through this That's right Yeah, yeah, are you calling me Epooh? Look at the Thames it might be close to here It might be well could be could not be So you don't know where you are Well of it my edge I'm making this character the same have the same thing that happened to me because again

I just there's very little in that. I can't do much right now Yeah, I might have lost all sense of Geo go raffae You're pretty far from Oh, don't think I could see it off meal balcony Yeah, look at that's a picture of a hamburger Yeah, yeah pretty far from the center of London and yeah Thames. Yeah You should know where you are Oh

I was trying to change a lot but I was slapped Richard made his living making garments for British troops in a uniform factory nice That's what you do man. You get out you make the profits off the war. I'd rather be making them the way They're not off the war. I'd rather be making them When the Battle of Britain started he worked as an air raid warden Can I just update you that ho's is Jose is taking a number two go ahead? Great during the Blitz two bombs hit the factory where Richard worked and Another very close to their apartment building

Well all the soldiers is going to have to be naked now No That's not we've run out of union forms Well, there's other uniform factories. It's not just I've been handed a memo and in other ones too We'll be all right stiff upper lip fishing chips bit of vinegar toss some salt on it gonna eat it for tea I'm getting better keep going bud. They're a hundred percent taking away your English citizenship

I will say I've been pretty outspoken about the royal family probably too much Um But you know the springers weren't hurt they survived. Um, they had a daughter Evelyn in 1940 And on february 13th 1944 while seeking shelter from german bombs inside The high gate underground station margo gave birth to their son Gerald norman I knew it

What? Well, he was born In the underground bomb in a Yeah, that explains a lot hiding from the bombs. Yeah, it explains a lot Uh, so richard started uh running the garment factory, but then with the war over no need for military uniforms Uh, so he improvised and he started making shopping bags and toilet bags and tobacco pouches Toilet bags war materials sir question. Hmm. What's a toilet bag? Well, do you ever uh instead of a toilet use a bag?

Oh, you mean it's a bag to waste in got you of course, of course I do I think it's a I think it's like a like a It's what I had my freshman year where you just you take your toilet bag to go take a shower That's right. You should have actually been in an apartment, but yeah, um It's uh, yeah, it's probably like a what the what the ladies keep their makeup in I would assume Uh And he made out of like old uniforms and anti-bomb balloons and stuff like that like extra supplies or around so after a while He makes enough money

To be able to go to America And on january 24th 1949 the queen mary steamed into new york harbour with Gerald and his parents aboard Um, thank god, too. So this yeah The springers settle in q gardens queens Sure I was home to hundreds of other german board jewish refugees that had uh, they lived in very small Six-story apartment buildings with just tons of other families all packed in sure

Um, Gerald's father again does really well. He is making and selling cheap stuffed animals and dolls Uh while his mother worked as a bank clerk Okay, so live in the dream live in the dream. Yeah, absolutely I bet he got tons of stuffed animals. So how bad can that be? Yeah, well, I was uh, I when my parents sold toys when I was a kid and yeah, that was like the upside was The downside was it made me probably go insane because it was just me like talking to toys all the time But I had toys. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they could have gotten you friends. It's not like They weren't making the part about you not being able to talk to other

People's no one no one wanted to be around you. They didn't make those that was you Hey, at least that wasn't a narc. At least that wasn't some little narc kid talking about how mark kicked the ball over the fence Me me me me a teacher. Um mark kicked the ball over the fence me You look at my barometer. Come on, dude. You want to fight? Let's fight Hey You know what the amazing part of that story is I knew who had narked on him and I never narked on who narked on him I want the name because I have a fucking code. Who's the who nark time mother's last name. What was his name? I don't remember his last name. It was Keith. I don't remember his last name

Keith Keith should lose a few teeth Oh, he's gonna that's not over. Yeah, I was gonna say I don't think we're done with this just yet It was only fifth grade. It's not over. We're not done with that just yet So, uh So, yeah things are going okay. Um on his first day of school Jerry's mother dressed him in a In blue velveteen shorts a bow tie and a beret Oh

Just asking for his ass to be kicked the the origin story But I my mother did that to my brother When my brother went to columbus, okay, I thought this sounded familiar. You told me this When my brother went to columbus public high school for his first day as an american student my mother sent him in the school uniform shorts blazer tie Chappell Yeah, and he came back after his first day my mom was like and how was it and he goes I made new clothes

And he was trying to explain to her that he wanted a lunchbox But he didn't know what it was called. So he was like a little case for my food and she was like what you're talking about He like he was so alienated. Oh, it's so good. Yeah Uh, well, that's what happened. This is what happened to to jerry also and uh Quote I had a bloody british accent And the kids beat the heck out of me and ripped my suit The next day I go back to school same thing happened Oh

So he's scared he's scared to go he's scared to go to school So his mom goes around and asks how he could be accepted by his new peers And she's his mom goes around to other people or to the peers neighbors. Yeah neighbors It says how how can you know and the neighbors like the american boys love baseball? They love baseball So she took him to a department store to find a quote baseball outfit Sure. Uh, I wouldn't be surprised if they called it a baseball costume. Um, yeah Okay, so she's just there. Yeah, that's what would they call bathing suits. No, sorry swimsuits is a bathing costume Yeah, so it's been a bit strange. I keep mine in my toilet bag

Your bathing costume. Yep Yeah, yeah, that's where you want to keep it. Absolutely right near my pee Um, she uh, she then buys him a kids Yankee uniform with the number eight on the jersey Okay, so that's what he goes to school in the next day. Okay Quote I wore it to school the next day and nobody touched me. Nobody beat me up Nobody teased me because at that time like 1950 You had your own baseball uniform. That was like wow and the other kids were nice to me So I was afraid to go to school in the first and second grade without wearing my Yankee uniform. So every day

That's what it sounds like. He was going to school in a Yankee uniform Oh, I mean, yeah, okay I mean, we're learning lessons, right? We're learning how to get by in life. Yeah Sounds to me like he was Yankee groomed. So he was Yankee groomed. Not great When Jerry was 12, he watched the 1956 democratic national convention on tv and was very impressed by Massachusetts senator John f. Kennedy's speech

nice So he really thinks this guy's great. Um, he goes to forest hills high school Which is also where burp backrack. Uh, the Ramon Simon and garfunkel went Wow, Simon and garfunkel same school interesting. Did not know that day. Yeah Yeah He's an average student, uh, but he was also very funny and he was super likable. Oh, and he's a new york Yankee team Yeah, he's a Yankee everybody loves Yankees, right? He's probably like ripped it a lot He probably looks like he hulked out like he got mad and then like got back to normal in it

Because i'm sure he's grown a little by now, but still it's a good look. He's still he's not going to give it up though It looks great at the end of the day. It's a Yankee uniform. Yep He was on the debate team. He he was in theater productions He played the jerry you're gonna need to wear you're gonna need to wear a costume as the character Now, I think I'll just keep wearing the Yankee outfit if that's okay with everyone Mcbeth It's not it's the lady wish to speak with you. What? There's no Mcbeth did not wear a Yankee uniform. This one did. Yeah

No, this one didn't because there were no Yankees then so this one didn't well. This Mcbeth is a Yankee so No So what so you can't do the show we can't have you in the show number eight There's no king of england. Mcbeth. What are you doing? Mcbeth Are you announcing yourself on the back mic? Yeah? Yeah, this is trust me. I made a couple tweaks teach see if you can keep up Oh god. Yeah Uh, so he plays the flute the saxophone the guitar uh, he told his parents quote Sorry teachers told his parents quote with his ability. He should be doing better

Okay, I heard that a lot. So so i'm relating. I did too. I heard that a lot. I heard that tons um After graduating he goes to Tulane University in New Orleans Now this is bad now people might understand that but this is back when you could have shady grades and kind of go to any college Right boomers don't tell you that but they didn't really have to have great grades. They just got to do whatever the fuck they wanted Yeah, that's cool. Um Tulane good school, but also a party school Um, they're there at the university was known to sing and play guitar at parties

Okay, so he's the show the showman type guy, right? He's the uh, what I call it annoying the guy who plays guitar parties Yeah, I would agree with you Mm-hmm. Um, no, we get it. You want to get laid and that's all you know how to do we get it You're gonna get laid. All right, relax pal His father told him quote look if it goes on like this it means you can't be successful So he's parting too much. Okay Sure, and once summer jerry played gigs in upstate new york Uh a singer at a resort called breezy hill. He wore a shark skin suit and sang folk songs by peter paul and mary

So he's got one he's got one toe in show business. He's kind of like uh, I call it toe business. Yeah Well, it's not it's not it doesn't make sense. There's no business like toe business. Go ahead No, you could do the rest. There's no business. I know business like toe business. I know And we're gonna go until we're done We're going right to the top does is are there more lyrics? I'm not sure I really do the lyrics have anything else to do with toes because if it's a toe business the rest of the lyrics Yeah, of course they do. Yeah, oriented. That's right. Yeah, you're absolutely. That's the orientation. Uh, Uh, we're going to kick ourselves around

We're going to nail this gig This is where we talk about how each toe represents a pig Ho, ho business like toe business like toe business. I know I mean, I guess that's toe business. Thank you. I wanted to know what I wanted to know I thought through this song I could learn what the toe business is Well Yeah, you've got a nail mint. I've got a pedicure Come on. Don't you want to know some more?

What don't you tow? If you park your car on the wrongs out of the street, it could get towed That's the, the idiot toes Oh, look at this. That's a different toe. It's the sweetest one. It's the cuticle. Oh, yeah There's toe business like toe business like no business. I toe I think we've all got the clarity we were after I don't think I don't think we are They were right where we need to be a hundred percent All right, so, uh, he graduates from Tulane in 1965 with a b.a. in political science

He's now very big into civil rights and the anti-war movements Uh, and then he goes to northwestern law school in chicago. Okay And in 1967 a history professor invites jerry to a democratic party dinner Um boring yes And uh, there he meets bobby kennedy. Wow Uh and rfk offers jerry a job in his dc office as an aide I'd say he is he is likable. That's one thing like people like this guy. Yeah, I think I would say that he was always likable Yes, I agree. Yeah

um And so when rfk announces his run for president jerry becomes a political campaign advisor on the camp All right on the campaigner in in the area in chicago You should so it's all looking up when you do the debate. You should run out and kick his ass Yes, pull his pull his hair off and say you stole my woman You are not good at this. This is bad. I think it's pretty good. We'll have security Oh, yeah, steve wilkos. Yeah, he'll be there Um, so it's all looking up. Uh rfk wins the california primary. I mean it could not be looking better. Oh my god

He gets shot that night Uh, so wouldn't happen to steve wilkos was there right So jerry goes from just being on top of the world to just horribly depressed Um, he's like in and out of depression the next year. Wow. He eventually goes and decides to take the bar exam And let's not overlook the fact that if the if agents of change are on the way the government probably kills them go ahead Yeah, yeah So if uh, so he doesn't know what to do. He gets he takes the bar he passes

And he starts practicing as a lawyer in Cincinnati. Um, he lands a clerkship at the city's second biggest law firm And while he's there doing that, he's also singing folk songs a couple times a week at the mahogany hall. So he's still Yeah, you got a toe in business like no business We know that's just that's the with yeah. No, it was great. Uh with another singer He made a record called bloodshot eyes uh-oh Reefer I don't I don't know if it's it ain't about it ain't about dirty pillows jack. That's about reefer

Uh, he became active in a local referendum to lower the Ohio voting age to 19 I thought you're gonna say nine To nine great. That'd be the best. You wanted to lower it to 19. Yeah to 19. What's the name between having What's the difference between having 10 year olds votes and 80 year olds vote at this point? Well, I'll say I really honestly I think it's that the 10 year olds show up um What was the voting age prior to that 21? I believe it's 21. Yeah crazy Yeah, uh, that's great. That was the time when they when they realized. Oh

Oh, it's not gonna work because we're sending you to die in a war and not letting you vote, right? Yeah, so it it did fail But his speeches hit the the work. He was doing the speeches. He was getting you really impressed the local democrats Okay, in 19 in november 1969. He resigns from his law firm And he was only there for five months And the next day he announces he's running for congress. He's 25 years old. Wow Quote I was pissed off about the war I mean everybody was that was the sure. Well, not everybody but everybody who didn't want to fight in it So in this incredible coincidence

Three days after he announces Jerry who is an army reservist at the time is called to active duty and sent to fort nox. Wow weird how that happens, huh? Well, you know what else is uh Coincidence is that the guy he's running against Who's a five term incumbent? named Don clancy He's on the house armed services committee

So somehow Yeah, it's somehow this weird coincidence. Very interesting Oh, it's so good jerry, uh, jerry, uh serves four months And is discharged and then he starts up the campaign again, but it's too late. Anyway, uh, and he lost but he did he did okay He got like 45 percent. That's not bad. That's great Yeah, um, and then he ran for city, uh since 90 city council a year later. Okay And republicans try to paint him as a lying carpet bagger. He just been in town for two years But he has a very young energetic base other people who don't want to die in a war

And uh, and he wins Nice. Well, winning is you you the top nine get picked. So winning is being in the top nine, right? Okay Uh, so he's only 27 And he's very outspoken. He's a lefty. Um, he's very Very popular person pretty quick. Okay One of his first actions as city councilman was to propose a ban On the drafting of Cincinnati residents in undeclared wars since the u.s. Had never formally declared war in vietnam Well, that's gonna be a problem

Well, it's such a great like it like nobody from Cincinnati can go. Yeah. Yeah, so sorry. We're not gonna Why wouldn't you do that? That's awesome. Yeah, of course. It's great Um, it the the it failed the motion, but it made him very popular jerry is very popular he um So he's easily reelected to the council two years later. Okay Now he is very gifted just naturally gifted when it comes to dealing with the media He is known for doing stunts while on the city council to attract attention to the issues that uh, he pushes Like he spent the night in jail To highlight the terrible conditions of the city jails. Okay, and to advocate for prison prisoners rights

Um, when he went in hardly any shocking how much I Am agreeing with jerry springer. I know right. I would not have thought that I would be this aligned with jerry springer But okay, here we are same so He you know, not that many people knew when he went in that he was a councilman From Cincinnati, they just thought he was another guy being sent to prison. Right. It's like one of those movies You see like just a few people know

Um He'd actually originally planned to spend several weeks in jail, but only only lasted one night Good. Yeah, that's quite an ambitious. I'm actually going for a year Um, I'm going I'm going in I'm doing life Lock me up. Yeah Why would you be going I'm doing six months Um after he was there for an hour or so jerry quote I was thinking that I was thinking that all of a sudden this project was such a bad idea

Yeah, I'm sure But it's also like imagine the people in there who are like, wait, what is it? I gotta I'm gonna go tomorrow. I've decided Yeah, they gave me three weeks hard labor and then he's like, I'll see you good to meet you guys. I gotta get out of here I don't like this So remember when discovery did that uh show where they were gonna have the guy get eaten by an anaconda? No, they did this thing. Yeah, it's like five years ago. Maybe more they they plug this whole show where they're like This guy's gonna get he's got a snake proof suit and he's gonna get eaten by an anaconda He's like then I'll go through the anaconda and feel what it's like for an anaconda to digest me

And he's and he's shot it and then he's like going on talk shows promoting it And they're like, what was it like to be in the belly of the anaconda? He's like you just gotta watch And uh, so he's got a snake suit on and then the night of the show You like tune in and you're like, all right, let's see this guy get eaten by an anaconda Anaconda has like the tip of his head in its mouth and the guy's like, I can't do it I can't it's just crazy and everyone's like, yeah, we knew it was crazy Why'd you tell us to watch this? I would think that would set off the same sort of instinctual terror as waterboarding

Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, probably but I mean It's also but like we know waterboarding is like Survivable it's like torture for sure. It's great. It's like a water slide in your head. Yeah, but um But we've never that's what was so intriguing about the show You're like this guy's gonna get like they were like get the man's gonna get eaten by an anaconda And you're like, I could have see how this works out because in your head you're going how's this possible and then you're like, oh, it's not Yeah, how is it possible? I was thinking the first thing I thought of was air Yeah, I have many things many things

Well, if you if you could put you could put on a suit that maybe can't be digested by anything Like maybe I could see that that was kind of what it was. It was like a Enzyme proof Michelin man suit. So he was going to be fully passed I don't know if you I mean who knows what the plan was but they the snake like had the top of his head and he's like now Oh, but I wonder if he also had like a button. He would push that would be like get me out of here button Like a little remote control. You could probably hear him. I mean, it's not like concrete You just yell you could be like it's not working Okay, it sounds like he's fine in there. He's just he's just trying to keep us updated

Yeah, he said hello, hello, hello Hello to you too. I guess we just wait for him to come out the butthole You know what now that I'm thinking about that that actually might be a problem the coming out part Well, uh, I think we should get lunch or dinner because this is gonna be a while. I would think a few days He's Go he's saying go he's saying go he's saying go today. This guy's great Uh, I guess just leave a stand-up camera on the snake because I don't know what else is gonna Anyhow, all right, let's go

Go So, um, god, how did we get there? It was that he said he was gonna go for like weeks and he went for a night he tapped out of me Yeah, he did he did tap out of me. Um, so Yeah, after an hour he tapped he after an hour. He was like, I gotta get out here. So the next morning he gets out and he tells He tells the other inmates who he is and um, then they tell him all their horror stories Like especially they're like one guy just like a swollen foot and Jerry's like how long has it been like that? He goes like six months. The doctors won't do anything. So it was just like

Did he let him know he's a tow business? No, he would not because he's like I can't tell people about the tow business Right, it's under cover still smart. It does want to be a narc. Yeah, uh, nobody would want that So he gets out and what does that mean? Nothing, it's just interesting that you felt fine revealing that it was Keith like nothing Just like a narc tendons He got out and told the press the jail was quote absolutely terribly depressing

Right. So on um, June 16th in 1973 Jerry marries a Margaret Velton known as Mickey Okay Uh, she's uh from Kentucky. She worked as an assistant at Proctor and Gamble. So she's a satanist All right They met on a blind date in 1969. So they've been together for a little while Okay, their apartment was described in an article quote a lime green Semi shag rug covers their living room floor. Nice 70s No, yeah, that's not any

Lime green. Yeah a man. Come on It's hot. You just walk in there. You just start vomiting. Well, that's the idea. Nobody'd notice Nobody could tell An old worn dive green upholstered chair and a footrest are in one corner with a single bed a makeshift couch opposite So they don't have a lot of money, right? But they know how to design that's that was my point. Right. Yeah Now in October 1973 Leon Saminsky was the manager of the president motor in in Fort Wright, Kentucky Which is located on the Dixie Highway just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. Okay

And Leon rented a three-room suite to Monty Bruce Emory to operate as a health club So it's just it's just a traditional Highway small highway A motor in sure with a three that's gonna now have because you when you go to like motels there's often a health club Yeah, yeah, when you go to moat when you go to motor ins normally they're like, uh, we don't have a traditional gym But there's a three-room suite Would you like to go there? There's a health club. There's a more of a spa vibe here at this hotel that cost $9 a night As Leon the manager said quote a bona fide health club could be an asset to the motel

I mean, it's like putting really nice rims on your 95 Honda like that's right. You do the money. No, no, no It was named the leisure health club Okay But then Leon said he received a complaint about the club Hey, it's really stupid and there's not a lot of good equipment in here. It's just the guys are great. They got no towels You gotta bring your own towel The workouts push-ups, which is just a floor situation the cucumber waters urine So Leon calls the motel security service and asks for them to investigate

There's a lot of there's a lot of things that are said here Yeah, but he he clearly didn't want to because there could be Uh, a fight. So the manager has a security company called In to build this leisure spa Well, Monty Bruce Emory is who did it so So a part-time security employee comes and goes to the health club And he goes in and he pays a guy, uh at the front counter $20 $20 in the 70s

Yeah, and then the masseuse takes him into a back room and starts giving him a massage Oh, and then she gives him a hand job and then oral sex So he gives her an extra $10 And then after it's done The security guys goes down to Leon's office and he explains that he just got a blowjob for 10 bucks Wait, why why why not when she started jerking you off? Didn't you stop and come down and tell me? I gotta make sure that this is an illegal situation. It wasn't a legal situation. She took you in the back. It's not It's not officially unless you finished. Why did you give her another $10? How did you know to do that?

Um, it just felt right You you climaxed in the masseuse Not yeah, I mean them. Yeah the mouth. Yeah, I understand the mouth. You don't need to take a mouth Yeah, I know what a blowjob. Do you know what an anaconda is? I listen. Yeah, it's just the tip. She went full shaft So yeah, you soon as she started jaying you off. You should have come down here No, yeah, I mean you don't really know you don't really you got a really completed investigation You know what I mean complete. I know that you completed. Yeah, I finished the investigation All right, listen, I'm gonna go up there and do a little recon personally you you should investigate

And I'm gonna go see I'm gonna go make sure that this what she might have just liked you Well, she blew me too. I just got blown So so she'd like both of us. Yeah, she's she's nice I should go back and just make sure this is what happened again to make sure because my memory's a little blurry because it was 45 minutes ago. I'm gonna come with you. Let's get a couple. Yeah, I think that's a great idea Yeah, and can I just self-back pat for a minute and tell you how happy I am that I opened an amazing leisure spot at this This is a great health club. This is a great health club Uh

So another customer who visited the health club around this time was councilman Jerry Springer I mean, where are you going Jerry? I'm just going to go to the motel across the river for a workout I think these are bill this is massage places. Oh, they are Well, I mean, it's just so weird. They call it a health club I mean, it's just so weird. They called them health clubs there But I think yeah, because they don't they call them health spas now now, right? It's not what they would call it I thought they were just massage places. Yeah, and here they're massage, but I think they've also been called health

What if we both knew exactly what they were called because we're like job addicts, but we didn't want to admit it I don't actually they do that still I feel like they don't even do that anymore Who's not a hand job addict? We're all just in a weird form of recovery. Yeah Yeah, I love a hand job Uh, so uh, Jerry goes in December and then he goes back in january and both times As you do When you go to a health club you pay with a check

Oh, wow. I think I remember this He played with a check Oh my god, a masseuse showed another employee there the check and he said he said Memo line blowjob My dick was sucked Uh, well, I'll tell you what he wrote. He wrote for services rendered. Oh, wow. Wow You know the memo lines optional, right? You don't have to write on there First of all, there is absolutely no way it's your first time or under your first hundred if you're so casual that you're writing for services rendered

I mean, it just seems so dumb. It's so dumb. It's so easy Just cash, buddy. Cash Cash also, why are they taking checks? What kind of I agree with this point? I agree with this push. Yes. Yes. I agree with this. Yes fair um so She she shows it to another employee and he's like don't show it to emory the boss because quote Of who the check is from

Who is showing it right now? Two employees showed it to each other the girl who the the sex is like, oh, wow. He's like a government guy Yeah, look who this is and then the other person's like don't show that to emory. He'll do something with it Right. Um, but then the check bounced. Oh my god Come on Come on. No wonder he didn't do cash So the leisure health club pinned the

bounce check to the office wall who okay, what is hap what what is happening? How are they? I What jackshack has a bad check wall No I don't know. It's pretty great though alarming Um, in january the health club was raided by the fbi. I'm what grounds were arrested and how many people were arrested Six people were arrested three three women and then the three

guys running it um So it it was over for like two months, uh on april 20 on april 29th 1974 political columnist frank welke, I think it's welke reported on the since then inquires front page that a Cincinnati political was involved in a two-state fbi vice probe Because it's just across the river. I mean, it's it's two states, but it's like five miles. So That makes it sound better though

Also, it's it. I don't know if you drive across state lines to See a sex worker. They probably do add on a charge or something. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Yeah Um, I know if you bring them across state lines, like if you if you drive like you're saying they're like, whoa Because that's that's a whole thing. Like could you imagine? Like meeting a woman and then driving her over the river and then having sex with her like You're a terrible criminal. Well. Yeah, but a lot of times that's with like, you know, it's like There's I know it's but it okay. Yeah, no, it's like it's like when they're they're saying

kidnapping and sex trafficking, but it's often just used to for other reasons that like that's What can I say? I wanted the banger in Montana I got a mountain thing Uh, so after that story came out later that day jerry springer resigns interesting In his residence in his resignation. He cited very personal family considerations, but did not mention the investigation So he's like i'm leaving because of some family stuff and people like you blew a load in a massage person's mouth

Well, anybody who could connect the morning paper with the political guy residing would know So the next day he holds a news conference And he alludes to the investigation at the health club. Uh, he's very red-eyed and shaken Okay, you ready? Yeah, what are we doing media? Engaged in activities Which at least to me are questionable These actions have weighed heavily on my conscience And early last week

I contacted the FBI And voluntarily answered all inquiries Of what I had done And of what I had knowledge I am continuing to cooperate in that investigation In any way that I can I have also been informed by numerous sources That there is an investigation underway

Into the activities of health clubs in Cincinnati I have visited health clubs in Cincinnati On a number of occasions But these were solely for legitimate purposes To the best of my knowledge No club in Cincinnati, which I visited Was engaged in any improper

Or illegal activities So are you catching what he's doing there? Uh, well, I'm What the princess Lea here No, no He's saying in Cincinnati and this is across the river in Kentucky So it's a little bit of a You know, he's playing he's playing he's doing lawyer stuff here, right?

Yeah, but also I feel like what he's saying is in case they bust a Cincinnati health club. Yeah, I'm getting ahead of that too. But who yes, who has More I guess the health club like that was the massage parlor of the 70s But like you don't go to like multiple health. You know what I mean? You go to the Y You don't go to like Like some people go to two gyms We're like, you don't go to nine. I visited multiple Places where hopefully hand jobs weren't happening and if they were I didn't know I was there to just do tries and buys

I I got a bunch a bunch of them These are the complete facts in this matter Facts which I can only hope The public will understand It is my fondest wish to re-enter public life But I believe it in the best interest of this community That I resign until such time that the air has been cleared I wish to express my deepest gratitude

To those who have stood through me or by me through this ordeal My wife my family And so many friends those both in public life And private citizens have given me strength when I needed it more Okay, so I like the guy who took the trash out during it I They pick it up later tonight. I just want to make sure sorry, excuse me So yeah, so so he it's obviously a very like

People don't know I don't want to really say what it is right Like it's a very like, you know walking around the actual thing, but he but he resigned, you know at the end of the day He's he's gone. He's out A ton of people now call the mayor's office and the city council offices And they all support Jerry like it's like way way way for Jerry His wife is like, I don't think he should resign politics or his life

You know it hurts to see him like this Wow and springer then voluntarily testifies in court He said his conscience drove him to contact the FBI after he paid for sex But that's not true, right? There was a raid and then he did it, right or no That's yeah, that's actually the right which is what yeah, which is how they always handle that the like once I realized I was busted I wanted to come clean But I mean, he no, he's he's literally saying that He was just a few months later like I just I you know, I've just been thinking about that blowjob

I got right after it was like I got a paper right I got a call the cop No, it wasn't published in the paper yet when he when he reached out to the FBI, but he was already knew he was blown Well, no, he was not at the spot Well, he probably saw the bad check pinned on the bulletin board. He was like that ain't great. Yeah, that's not good Um, so one of the sex workers also said the district attorney made a deal to get Jerry

Uh, the charges dropped or not press charges if he would resign from office. Okay Um, but that's illegal to do so that guy always has denied it Oh, I know you're excited to listen to this episode. So am I. Hey everybody, it's gareth half of this podcast It's gonna be a good time But before you get to it, I wanted to give you some stand updates where I'll be on the road You can come join me be part of the garmy the garth army. You guys call yourselves that it's nothing to do with me But come on out and join me. I will be in Austin, Texas May 12th and 13th. I will be in Phoenix, Arizona May 18th I will be in

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so now he's just like defending felons and murders and handling divorces and things of that nature but politics is still in his blood it's what he wants okay and in early 1975 he uh he goes to the democratic party and he asks if they will endorse him if he runs for city council again and the local democrats are like no the no you're you wrote a bad check to a blowjob to pass so uh in september jerry announces that he is going to run as an independent nice

and he finishes fourth meaning he's back on the city council oh wow now what so the democrats now are in a weird place and they welcome back into the party because they now they're like yeah no you won that was great you won that was great um so in 1976 jerry and mickey have their only child katie okay um she's legally blind and deaf oh wow she but she was like my parents always treated me just as they would anybody else you know uh uh so jerry remained on on the council until 1977 when he became mayor of cincinati

okay so back then it wasn't the voters that chose the mayor the city council did and it was like a different city council member would be picked by the other city council members to be the mayor for one year not really yeah it's not it's not really a uh he doesn't really have a lot of power of the mayor it's just kind of like a figurehead yeah kind of um they put you on the money i get it yeah yeah no right on the cash yep so he's mayor in 1977 and as mayor uh people love him low jobs are now fine to get at your house clubs and have clubs everywhere boy pay for my check is not a weird move um he was called quote the smart young thing of ohio politics and radio rockstation w e b n starts having uh featured commentaries by jerry called the springer memorandum and they're very

popular people love his little commentaries okay and this kind of launches a broadcasting career he's like a he's a populist mayor um sure he pushes for a new electoral system to elect council members by neighborhood instead of like the whole city voting at once right so then each day would be more represented on the council okay um that is that is of course they don't allow that to happen right uh but he like fights for individuals over corporations he's very much that guy so after serving as mayor he decides he's gonna run for governor okay uh in 1982 and he ran tele television commercials where he said it's oh no he said he said this oh no i'm jerry springer and i want to be your governor now after sharing some specific solutions

for our unemployment and education problems in this state it looks like the nomination is finally within grasp which makes what i'm about to tell you even more difficult some nine years ago i spent time with a woman i shouldn't have and i paid her with a check i wish i hadn't done that and the truth is i wish no one would ever know but in the rough world of politics opponents are not about to let personal embarrassments laid a risk perhaps like you i'm not sure what any of this has to do with being governor but maybe my talking to you about this makes a point ohio is in a world of hurt the next governor is going to have to take some heavy risks and face some hard truths i'm prepared to do that this commercial should be proof i'm not afraid even of the truth and even if it hurts come on

join me on june eight we're going to turn the state around jerry springer democrat for governor you got to like the idea that he's like trying to get ahead of it but it's like it's like dude you have like limited time you talk about what you're gonna do don't be like that i might actually be able to win this thing by the way nine years ago a woman blew me in a health club and i paid her for it with a check oopsie daisy but come on i wish i didn't have to talk about it you don't have to talk about it shut up kathy i wish i didn't have to talk about it but i'm gonna talk about it here's what she did i'm going to start with the first act and then move on to the other acts she did yeah as she licked my balls she put her tongue on my taint she asked if that felt good jerry don't

do this i said it did she asked me if i'd like her to go lower i unfortunately responded with a please miss please go lower i'm what can only be described as a mission of excavation she continued to dig in my bum and i got to be honest it was like i launched a rocket out of my penis that day jerry stop it i want to be your governor i have two seconds left it's like i mean what do you do though like i get like i don't think this is how you handle it but i think i think there's another way but this is just so hilarious but it's it's hard because you it's one of those things where you know it's like do you yeah you want to get ahead of it so like you probably are like let's just get it out there right away but it's it's a it's a short commercial

it's like it's a you know yeah yeah it's a short commercial all anybody all all anybody is gonna remember for the whole thing is i paid with the check that's all anybody no one's ever gonna get past that we're so conditioned now to the environment of denialism that it seems very strange to have someone be open and honest about what they did you know it's like but you never see that now yes i said grab them by the pussy yes i did that it was like a room talk i had a lot of fun i did it a bunch you know yeah so uh the ads seem to be effective according to campaign advisor michael ford applications for campaign workers grew five times following the ad airing interesting in the spring i think there's just a especially then early 80s coming out of the 70s there's a lot

of people are just like yeah it's just fucking sex like and a lot of people probably all these puritanical people out there at the end of the day most people are like okay who gives a fucking shit i would also guess 50 of them were just people who are just like i wanted to meet the guy who paid with a check at a jerk factory see you later mr springer uh in the spring of 82 jerry moved to number two in the primary but it didn't last he finishes a distant third behind the former lieutenant governor and the ohio attorney general he only got like 20 of the vote okay but he had raised yeah he did tons of democratic inside air eyebrows because he managed to raise a shitload of money hmm the primary winner said quote the great thing about jerry springer was that

he would just meet people and ask for big money i mean imagine a time in the democratic party of the one that was an anomaly so they're like this this kid's got something this kid's no shame he's the future he's got no shame he doesn't fucking care yeah um so the primary win winner gave jerry a job on his campaign which was clearly to just raise money right and now around this time jerry was also hired as a political reporter and commentator on since the 90s mbc affiliate wl wt which was at the time the lowest rated news program so like we got to take a chance right this guy's popular um this is when jerry with the help of other people there came up with his signature sign-off line take care of yourself and each other nice he made the station very popular

within two years he was since the 90s number one news anchor and he ends up getting 10 local emmy awards for his nightly commentaries that's crazy right yeah he's just a lot yeah he's really good at politics yeah he did this one thing where he paid a sex worker right and now that was that's it doesn't matter what you say you always go what the fucking check man that that like hinge moment for him he's like you know i just there was an atm i just didn't want to go across the street there was a 76 across the street and i just didn't i don't know was it harder to get cash then how hard was yes okay so you two at this time if you wanted to have a weekend you had to get to the bank by friday at five and take out money at the fucking bank or else you could go to like

there were also a bar to check for you or a grocery store would cash to check for you but you kind of had to know those guys to do that like you don't have a grocery guy or it just shows you how amazing the male mind is that he is like in government and he's just like i just want to go get a blow job so yeah i just i didn't i didn't know i didn't think to go to the grocery store to get my blow job dole money friday at four so i'm just gonna go i'm just gonna write a check what's the worst that can happen hey jerry your political career is over because of what you did i should have just you know the crazy part i was at the store earlier by ruffles and here i am damn i mean you know we did so much we did so many drugs in high school that we would all plan for it

and again we would leave school and drive to the bank and take out our you know cash and i would be really wary to do that with a narc personally okay i was right when i said can i treat the ghost as hostile by the way team keith uh so he so he's like right now he's on top of the world i mean aside from the fact that he can't i think he you know he's got to be like the political career's not gonna happen at this point yeah but in a way it's like whatever i i hope at the emmy speeches he was just like and i want to again point out hold on don't play me off about 11 years ago i made the mistake of going to kentucky and paying for oral sex with a check and in the memo line i wrote for services redeemed uh so but again it's like back when he was at too late and he was

or when he was a lawyer he was like he had one he had one foot in that and the other foot in show business right it's the same kind of thing right now right so um now he's getting all these awards and then in september 1991 nbc since 90 nbc affiliate w l w t needs to replace the phil donahue show jerry quote the company that owned the station where i did the news owned talk shows they owned phil donahue sally jesse rafiel well phil was retiring they were just at that production companies like we will only work with people who wear glasses that's that's uh honestly our deal we know that's welcome to spectacle that's what we need and so the ceo took me to lunch one day and said phil's retiring we're we are starting a new talk

show you're the host so jerry was to host a politically focused daytime talk show oh my god now people may not people may not remember this but phil donahue did a lot of politics yeah well phil donahue the one who came along and bumped that kind of out was oprah winfrey who came in and did really sensationalist fucking gross shit like she was the one she was the first one to come along and sort of steer the ship towards sensationalists right and then phil donahue had a show on msnbc and yeah it was like the highest what's that yeah actually yeah that was years later that was years later highest rated show with this one and then it was when we were going into the iraq war he was the only i might have been the first iraq war

he was the only anti-war voice uh it might have been the second one actually and he was the only anti-war voice on the network and they got rid of him highest rated show they had though they got rid of him anyway um yeah he yeah he was totally he was yeah they fired him because he was anti-war but that's what you do when you're the liberal network uh wait what wait what how the hell yeah he was fired in 2003 you're right so there's that that's cool um so so yeah so phil show was a lot of politics so they kind of wanted a guy similar to that right um to phil the shoes and that's exactly what jerry was right he's known for phil donahue's they called it i don't think so uh so so he takes the job uh it's called the jerry springer show

and at the same time he remains the nighttime anchor on the news interesting so he's doing both jobs just in case the talk show doesn't work he's still got the other thing and then in 1992 the jerry springer show has moved to chicago so he would fly back and forth between since then in chicago every day to anchor the nightly news broadcast it's a real sea crest your boy but then in 1993 it's too much and he resigns from the news and just commits full time to the jerry springer show right um the show struggles a bit at first it's just a political oriented talk show longer version of his commentary thing that he was doing the guests include like oliver north jesse jackson wow uh he's doing topics about homelessness and our gun policies

crazy but this is a saturated daytime talk show market right you can think of all the people that you know uh what's her name jones and sally jesse rafiel and herald jenny jones mori mori povich richard bay so it's all it's all those people yeah i'm not sure if montel maybe not yet probably probably i think montel comes a little bit later um but yeah it's all it's all that mix and they're all trying to out sensationalize each other nuts so if he's not making a splash and then in early 1994 springer and his new producer richard dominick revamped the show's format for higher ratings and the show became more successful by targeting the tabloidish sensationalism guests are more normal people and they're confronted on a stage by a spouse or a family

member about adultery homosexuality or sex work or you know hate group membership or controversial situations it's like a combination of like celly jesse rafiel and who was the other guy at night uh oh um kevin uh wait who the guy with the big eyebrows who said he got kidnapped um morten downy morten downy it's kind of like a combination of because morten downy is before this is kind of like a combination of it's a combination of like morten downy and celly jesse rafiel or phil in a way like it's like it's like this amalgamation of these different so it was like yeah morten downy rafiel yeah so they're um they're often scripted shouting or violence on stage the show got huge ratings huge and a lot of attention with episodes like my boyfriend turned

out to be a girl uh witcher sexier bigger or smaller breasts on women they're doing stuff like that do you remember the one where it was like my boyfriend said he was going to go into an anaconda but bailed once it bit his head i remember like i remember it was on it was on like when i would get back from school and i mean like every day i was like i cannot wait to see this shit yeah it was so it was so scandalous and it was so different than anything else that was on and it was when like there was no real there people were still like wait what is this before they could realize that it's so damaging to our culture you know what i mean it was yeah nuts nuts it was not you just come home and you'd be like i'm gonna watch two people run full steam

at each other to beat each other up on the stage it's gonna be great yeah yeah next on spring what you're gonna hear today is absolutely astonishing meet url a man who cut off his own male organ he did it with a pair of garden shears identical identical with ease i wish it never happened url holds ronnie responsible he's been stalking me for years have you two been lovers no yes we were he cut off his pants are we good enough believe me next jerry spring today at five p.m on u pn 22 i mean like what what else you what else you're gonna watch this dude had a stalker so he cut his penis off and then he's like will you do ever together no yes we were hey you want to watch that at five yes i do what i mean i i watched jesse jackson

was like didn't i do that show i think i did that show once didn't i i mean i watched some of it and i was always like totally fake totally real totally fake totally fake totally real fake real but i also was just like something i had on like it wasn't like it's not like the kind of television that i sit there and i really pay a lot of attention to i'm just kind of like watching it i would say half of us or more than half of us were just stoned like what the fuck like yeah it wasn't like i was then going out and trying to emulate it you know that's the thing that that you know people are getting freaked out it's destroying culture inside it but it's not because we already had oprah like oprah was already doing her version of it sadly jesse raffi was doing her

version it was just a little bit different you know why it was different because it was common people and rather than the audience being horrified the audience would cheer jerry jerry jerry jerry and it had like a wrestling feel to the audience you wanted to go to the show you did want to go to the show you absolutely wanted to go to the show yeah yeah yeah no i remember i i even remember being like i guess it wasn't i mean again i was i don't even remember how old i was but at some point you were like yeah this is fake and also at some point you were like gosh all they do is beat each other up yeah you know what i mean yeah but it was and while it was going on there was the conversation of like isn't this making us worse in a way there was that conversation for sure um

but like that's where i get very hesitant because you're like isn't this making us worse worse did the invasion of panama make us worse or is it this well there you go again eating five getting away with fucking over all those people out of their own homes and the savings loan scandal did that make us worse or is this guy on tv with two strippers beating each other up i think that you know yes i think we have the the we have the well in a way though i guess what it added to a little bit was the level of you know when you when i look at like how distracted we are now it's like you know it i guess it was sort of the seed that led to like hey you got to watch this guy get his

balls beaten in like you know that level of distraction i think you're obviously right like you know there's so much i mean yes it's compared to war crimes like jerry springer is nothing you know yeah i mean and that's the thing is like you know the politicians who are talking about jerry springer and you're like well yeah right yeah um and then of course there is today he got a blowjob 15 years ago in kentucky and paid for it with a bad check and he feels bad today he's hosting the jerry springer show today on the jerry springer show yeah and then there's jerry had on a guest who said he was in love and married to his horse but before we talk to mark let's meet his wife please welcome her to the show and so now they're bringing out a horse and jerry didn't know what

was coming out he never knew so he just has on a car backstage and he was just like wow look a horse all right what's the show today he they wouldn't show him the horse they would make sure he didn't see the horse so this guy's blind and he has a cane with the cane looks like a shepherd's like cane in the mountains this guy's blind and dating a horse that's correct and so now jerry has the horse come out okay this is why i'm why i compare it to wrestling because there's these people that are like wrestling is so dumb and blah blah and you're like right but it's not fucking real and the people watching it know it's not real and the people watching this are now standing up and giving the horse a standing ovation because what they're seeing is like this is the

most ridiculous thing i've ever seen in my life and i'm gonna get up and give an ovation because it is essentially it's now mocking dr phil right well yeah and i also think you know it's just nice to see love does the blind guy know it's a horse or is the blind guy like she's quiet she's weird but she's mine now greg baron and i had uh he had a talk show and i was brought in to be a writer and our idea was to have like a person go up there and then they'd have like a wizard as their boyfriend and then in the audience would just be like a chipmunk and people in different costumes and you would do a talk show but you would do it so it's so it was like more bizarre than jerry springer like it was taken to the next level but the people at the the people

who we were doing it for the company couldn't comprehend what we were trying to say and we were trying to say no we want this to be absurd to a level that will make people that will make people watch it because everything else has been done and they would never let us do it and they tried to force greg into doing a regular talk show and the very last episode they were like we'll let you do the episode you want so we did that we had like a woman in the irons with a full beard and a chipmunk and we had all these different people and they would just stand up and ask they would stand up and ask questions like why would you do that with your husband like like a chipmunk just standing up and going i don't understand why you would just cheat on your wife like that and

not care right and for greg said for like seven years people would stop him on the street and go that fucking episode of a daytime talk show that i saw was the most amazing thing because we knew we knew what we wanted to do we wanted to take it to the next level but people didn't understand what this was it was real but it was fake yeah right it's wrestling yeah yes true okay so the horse is coming and they walked the horse over to the guy and he takes the reins and now he's kissing his horse oh my god he's tongue kissing it yes so he tongue kissed his horse i have to be brushing down at her tail end and she lifted her tail up and there it was an honest glory

oh see uh i'm going to vomit carry carry carry carry carry are you i felt stuck a finger in because i was so curious i want i wanted i wanted a girl but by that time have you ever been with a woman yes i mean a human yeah to make it to make it march eventually after a bad prom day experience i actually did have intercourse with that little mayor the next year it was oh it's great it's fantastic it's so good i got passed out okay so what dave i it's out of like four p.m. excuse me i lived in the tail up in a banger uh so so this one huh this one a lot of stations refuse to air why like so this is this is so funny because the show like you said it's always people beating

each other up so it had to top it it had to they had to go it had to try to top itself right and this is what happens you try to top yourself of they're doing it by the way oh my god i do not know that it's also for him it's like addictive because it's like he says anything and people are like he's so right it's like yeah jerry's on the side of not banging that horse go jerry go jerry but again they're cheering because he's showing him the craziest thing they could possibly see that's what this was yes yeah no he's like he's like a ringleader yeah um so so yeah that guy married his horse now jerry and jerry gets divorced in 1994 mayor eat mayor eat jerry gets divorced

yeah but they soon after reconciled and were together but everyone will always say they were divorced but they were still together um they they were still together until he died so in 1997 springer uh starts a temporary job on chicago's wmaq as a news commentator now anchor carol marine who had worked at the station for 19 years refuses to go on the air with springer sure and she uh instead quits the show wow that is i mean she really had standards oh wow in recent years there's been a lot of anxious debate in our business the news business about blurring the lines between news and entertainment late this week that issue came to a head at one of the country's largest television stations

here's abc's erin haze she walked away last night from her multi-million dollar news anchor job carol marine one of chicago's most respected journalists quit after learning the talk show host jerry springer would be joining her news team as a commentator springer is best known for his highly controversial and lowbrow subject matter today we're talking to teenage girls who sell sex to pay the bills i think his television shows are some of the worst that television has to offer i made a decision that i could not um share a news desk introduce or validate a jerry springer on a newscast that i believe tries very hard to do some decent work springer a former news anchor himself calls marine's decision arrogance she wants to say who else can

be on the air you know what that's not the way this country works but in chicago a town that takes its news seriously many are applauding marine's efforts to hold the line between news and entertainment and once we lose that dividing line we've lost something very very precious ten years from now it's the kind of reference that journalism professors will make to young students in class and say somebody one time actually stood their ground and made a difference this is my last newscast at channel five in her goodbye on wmaq last night marine made no mention of springer instead praised colleagues and thanked viewers words are not adequate to express the thanks i feel that's our news tonight we thank you for joining us nbc news management is not

commenting on the reasons for her departure jerry springer joins the news desk here on monday marine haze abc news chicago man that one guy being like in 10 years will look back and be like someone cares it's true it's i mean i guess it is but like at at the end of the day that was a very self-serving sacrifice right because it just elevated her amongst her peers news sure but but it's also you know i mean it's also like if you're her it is like a risk it's like you know you know bird in hand in that business being like yeah i'm i'm sure that it did and maybe she was acting selfishly but it's also there's no denying that news has become entertainment more than news sure and you know who knows who necessarily greased the wheels but enough but

news was never news when i was young it was always mostly you know you do the there's there's no gas and the blah blah blah you do the stories and then but it was just also a lot of shit it's always been a lot of shit i mean mainstream news has always been garbage but this is the same person i don't know what her deal is but this this local news would have been you know like i said you go back now we're just a couple years out of the the war the the first Gulf War and and they were all like that was rah rah rah so it was the Panama invade rah rah rah so it's like it's it's again it's a level of like well this is gross but but we are destroying things at the top these are the people who are destroying everything

at the top it was the people for NAFTA closing the factories destroying our lives maybe bad that it's still it's i mean it's all just gotten worse so yeah i don't know it has all gotten worse but you know but if you have if you have what jessie waters what jessie waters has to show you like what's happening right now yes but if you if you aren't hollowing out the country if you aren't yeah undermining the social safety net if you aren't doing those wars and getting people militaristic again if you aren't doing NAFTA you're not like this society isn't so they're saying we don't like this because it's decaying society but society is decaying because you're fucking everything up at the top and and everything's just degrading and then people start fighting on

state yeah like it's one thing you was probably like they call him walley and he rides on water twist he's a squirrel yeah 100% yeah so like i get like you know i i didn't really look into her i know she went and like worked for like 60 minutes and stuff so you know she could have been like a really great reporter i can't i can't say anything otherwise you know so you know jerry is said quote i'm sorry she found it necessary this week to use me as a stepping stone uh so in and then in solidarity with her decision that other co-anchor that we saw he then quit a couple weeks later wow and then nobody hired him he was like but she's on 60 minutes i'm doing i'm also out of here come on this is bullshit all these people in chicago uh religious groups women's

organizations they're all protesting there's little protests outside physical ones outside the the station um there's phone call campaigns uh getting people to call and complain and then ratings for the newscast campaigns and then ratings for the newscast collapse they go from a 14 on monday jerry's first day on the air to nine on a wednesday which is a massive fucking drop his first commentary was to attack the people protesting him calling it quote elitist snobbery which it is right but if you're like yeah for sure but if you're like trying to like like he just is used to being like everyone claps when i speak because it's like he's going in there like guns blazing he could be like i understand why she

did that he has nothing to lose he you know who has something to lose us because if he's a populist and if he is a lefty type of guy he could go on the air and draw in people who wouldn't ordinarily watch the news and then explain lefty politics to them and we could actually he could him being on the air was actually more of a danger because he would speak to the people they never fucking touch on the news god damn ever fair enough um and after doing just two commentaries jerry resigns quote i'm not being paid for this what i didn't realize was i was walking into a civil war in the newsroom of the station so the heat uh led to the station uh dropping the jerry springer show in may of 1999 so it didn't stop with that news thing it was that they wanted him gone of course

then immediately the fox affiliate in town quickly snatches up the show right to cover costs however of this new show they had to bring in they aired the show twice a day wow by the end of 1990 by the end of 1998 it is regularly beating the Oprah Winfrey show in many cities and was reaching 6.7 million viewers according to an assistant producer the stories were mostly real but they did shady things to get them on air at the end of each episode they put up a phone number on the screen and then most of the time people would impulsively call in when they saw the number and if the story sounded good to producers they would fly them out the very same day and put them up in a nice hotel overnight and get them on camera the next day not giving them any time to change

their mind and think it through wow wow yeah i mean smart for your business yeah yeah in 1998 at the peak of the show's popularity education secretary william Bennett and connecticut secretary joe Lieberman spoke at the national association of broadcasters convention and implored broadcasters to remove the program from their schedules so you're right because joseph Lieberman is far more damaging and has been far more damaging to any actual change in our like literally not not joking joe Lieberman is supposed to be the guy the only guy 100 we can put the blame on supposedly for not having medicare for all that's the guy right that one democrat that wouldn't go for it under obama so think about how many actual bodies actual human beings he has he has allowed to die

it's hundreds of thousands of people that he is allowed to die but here he is saying this is what's bad for society yeah yeah and he's just being like a guy can't bang a horse we got him Lieberman said quote drop it or if you don't urge the broadcast the producers to clean up the show well again do you know what capitalism nobody gives a fuck joe this is capitalism like it's called making money that's what at the end of the day no one cares the kind of perversity and violence on that show every day has to have a bad effect on the people and children who watch it springer is not a network show you make the decision to carry it it's not worth it you can't do that at least put it on late at night so fewer kids are watching okay so you were young ish did it

really have an effect on you as a human being i mean aside from banging a tiger uh no i don't i really don't i i don't think so i mean i it was it was entertainment i i would say that it maybe had well during that time there were so many things that were sensationalizing violence like oh for sure cops was like yeah cops like change the way you like you were like oh man watch this guy get his ass kicked because he's a drug addict like you were like that's fun um but no i i don't think so i think it was just like it was just crazy much like watching a crazy movie is crazy sure you know yeah i mean i played you know played i played a lot of video games i didn't like to kill anybody because of them yeah you know right uh in 2000 during an episode called secret mistresses

confronted it has been his girlfriend and his ex-wife appeared on the show and of course they got into a fight the couple accused the ex nancy cambell penance of stalking them nancy penis off nancy said then that the three of them had just spent the night in a hotel room together having sex the couple then encouraged the the the audience to call nancy fat and old and then they dropped it on nancy they had just gotten married and nancy got up and walked off the show now the guy ralph had actually been going back and forth between the women for years like not like switching nights years like wednesday tuesday thursday after the taping they all reconciled and they were living together in a house so they're Mormon

and then things got bad and nancy filed the restraining order against him and had him barred from the home and then the episode aired and hours after the episode aired nancy's body was found in the home she had been beaten to death wow and ralph and his wife turned themselves in wow he would eventually be found guilty of secondary murder he is currently in prison for life second degree second i don't i have no idea how that shit works i guess it must have been like i guess it was been the first degree i think you plan i think second degree is like i saw the episode and snapped like i think that maybe um so that was obviously a big black mark against the show right and all those shows had that like they all like didn't jenny jones that's like yeah um so you know if dr

phil like jenny jones one is even maybe a little crazier because it was like a guy it was like i have a crush on you and so they brought some dude out and then another dude came out and was like i have a crush on you and the guy the straight guy was like oh my god i'm kind of embarrassed but he like was like it's cool whatever i do like you and you're like as a you know you're a cool guy and then and then murdered him yeah and look we had we definitely on um on greg barron show we definitely had like we were like we shouldn't do this because this is too gnarly um yeah like you make that decision you're like no this is gonna someone's gonna hear yeah yeah um there was a musical uh called jerry springer on opera it debuted in london in 2003 um it toured the uk

christians protested it one of the reasons being that it had eight around eight thousand obscenities in it is what they said uh bbc decided to air a performance of the opera in 2005 and 45 thousand angry viewers uh contacted the the bbc about the content but still the show uh the opera expanded to the us uh went to vegas um by the way the jerry springer show also aired in the uk and in the morning of course that um for your tea the next year harvey kitel played springer in the opera in a two-day new york city performance what and the final and so jerry springer goes on until july 26 2018 27 seasons what almost 5000 shows 2018 yep yep wow i feel like that show went off the air in 2004 no um as a matter of fact the steve

wilko thing didn't happen until i think 2007 uh that happened when he went on jerry went on dancing with the stars and needed someone to to co host for him while he was gone and it was like well the security guard which is amazing yeah um because his his version was a little more like you know it was definitely a little more it was even somehow got lowered but he was like so wait you were banging him but you decided that you'd also bang her that's your neighbor dude and people he's like all right and then people would fight each other and he's like oh no i'm security uh jerry was on a ton of other tv shows his last appearance on tv was the mass singer in december 2022 he was dressed as a beetle and sang frank sinatra's the way you look tonight

i mean just even hearing that i'm like it wasn't so bad when he was on the air right i mean yeah because then in 2022 he was a beetle on the mass singer and sang frank sinatra's i love you just the way you are sorry what happened that's on tv now who what is it um jerry died of pancreatic cancer uh this week may 27 2023 on november 20 and november uh 2022 he went on david yontel's podcast behind the velvet rope and was asked if he considered himself the granddad of reality tv and he said quote no i just apologize i'm so sorry what have i done i've ruined the culture wow i don't know if he's i don't know if that's serious or if he's joking but he could think based on what's happened that he had a hand in it yeah i'm very like i like i

mean i've stated my case like i think that the the you know elites do all this damage and then they pointed to people who are you know uncouth yeah it's very much well it's and it is very much it's culture worship it always is i mean it's just like that's what we really highlight but i think both can kind of be true i mean i think the fact that he you know he made television more sensational it it lowered the bar it got worse but he didn't do it right the people who put it on the air did it at the end of the day it's the station's making money it's people trying to make money like at the end of the day that's really who there are gatekeepers in our business yes but it is it's also it's not just him but yeah it's but but with his show you're

right they enabled that but regardless i understand if he made that statement why he would feel like that a little bit because it's like it is we are a very you know fighty um you know when i mean again when you think of our celebrity culture now again i'm not putting all this at his feet but when you think of our celebrity culture now it is there is no there's just no remnants of intellectualism in any way you know there are there are some people where you go oh yeah i like this person because like fucking hey man i watched so much so many irish politicians like from their their their government where i'm like these people are like going viral all the time and a lot of them are just showing up looking like they just came from surfing like

they're in sandals and they're just like totally tell you something we absolutely we've committed 70 bloody wire crimes but but when you think of like the kardashians or you think of like these things where it's like you know people who don't really provide anything are famous um okay so i want to stop you right there it has gotten worse and when you watch instagram it's like yeah i want to watch someone on a rope swing swing into a cliff right it's entertainment has gotten so shit you can take it also back to uh johnny karson watch old johnny karson tonight shows and he has people on and they have incredibly intelligent conversations they talk about like it's stupid shit and then there's someone on there and they

talk about something very substantive uh you know it can be a very smart intelligent conversation and then you flip to jay Leno and it's dumbed down so fucking far that you have the dancing eatos yeah and then you go to jimmy fallon and now it's just fucking idiotville so it's not just it's not just like jerry springer didn't cause this no there's been a dumbing down in every single area of of except for dramas and it's so much fucking dumber than it ever it all is it's all just getting dumber there's no place for i mean i guess like you have the john stewart thing which is kind of there and you have oliver and you have some people doing stuff but there's no like two people like it used to be dick cavitt two guys would come on yeah right

right uh uh gore vidal and and and william buckley and have this incredibly substantial conversation that's that's gone now it's just fucking idiots and you have you have now you have uh peris helton and jimmy fallon hocking nfts like it's the level of stupid everywhere is in fucking credible there's no place if you're a smart person to exist and watch anything like that make as much money as you can is the only thing now there's no they'll do anything everyone will do anything they can and that's that's what springer was right at the end of the day springer was like okay so if you're going to not allow me to be a politician because i wrote a check to a sex worker i'm gonna write a check to a sex worker all over your whole fucking country yeah i mean

it is a good encapsulation of the time and it might not just it's maybe not just an indictment on him but it is the time that time things really started to culturally change not for the better you're right that like having a politician having joe Lieberman be like the moral superior to anybody is insane yeah um but the culture part of it was like that's where we kind of were like fuck it whatever let's do this um but it's all i mean there's so many reasons for it it's not you can't the people always point at one thing it's because jerry springer you're like man there's so much other shit going on here that you're just pretending like isn't a thing well yeah i you know cops cops in its own right just was cops is horrifying just the most the most rampant horrifying propaganda

like just unbelievable you cannot turn that page back i mean what the the level of like how that you know i mean and it still goes on i mean when you watch tv now it's like she was an fbi agent who did everything right you know it's just like it is just there's never a show about someone who's like get rid of the cia imagine cops but they're just shaking down rich people yeah right it's just cocaine coming out of their pockets and they're like oh you're doing wage theft and they're fucking putting their head in a in a in the fucking french fryer like yeah just lifting up a kiddie pool and finding jamie diamond underneath it and just like beating him with a hammer like those guys are all like we know what they've done to a society they've just

hollowed it the fuck out and yet you know you're watching cops like there's a reason you're watching cops and opening the door to his mansion like i'll go peacefully and they throw him down and just start squishing his head into his marble floor shouting stop resisting stop resisting at him yeah i mean yeah they it's a it's a you know it's the same thing we have to go on now it's all a distraction it's a distraction to keep you from paying attention to the real it's extremely effective to yeah it's really effective i mean the crazy thing about the 90s is is we had nobody thought about anything nobody there was no concern there were very few of us who were very politically minded and like i'll never forget the election of the second election of clinton there's a big

comedy party at cobs in san francisco and all everyone was celebrating except two people me and david cross and i remember we look we made eye contact across the room and both just kind of fucking shook our heads and like these guys don't know what's happening nobody no it's true i didn't i mean i was i don't i couldn't even vote then but i definitely um you know was like we're in good hands you know i mean he's known for a blow job not nafta oh yeah it's just but that shows you that shows it's you know again it all comes down to a bj um and might i say david that's our final thought be good to yourselves and each other